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By popular demand, newbies can now pay to have some of their restrictions lifted. If you pay the fee, you become a Copper Member, and you can post images. That's the main point of this: allowing newbies to post images. Additionally (and these might change depending on how things go), Copper Members currently have these bonuses:

- Some of the same permissions as Member-rank members, such as reduced signature styling restrictions. (But none of the PM-related restrictions are currently lifted, such as the style limit or per-hour PM limit.)
- Your "you must wait ____ seconds between ___" counter is reduced by 75%. So if you're naturally of Newbie rank, you only have to wait 360-75% = 90 seconds.

If you paid an "evil IP" registration fee, then whatever you paid (in BTC terms) is subtracted from the upgrade fee. If you paid a registration fee a long time ago, you might even get a free Copper Membership due to the increase in BTC price. Just visit the link at the bottom of this post to check whether you have it already.

I am aware that for most people the benefits of this membership are pretty lame. This membership is only intended to fill a specific niche; if you don't need it, don't buy it. It is not intended to be the lower-cost Donator/VIP alternative which I've talked about before as a possibility.

I wrote the system so that I can easily add additional paid memberships in the future, but I might not ever do so. Not sure.

You can buy it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Thanks for your work on the forums theymos, highly appreciated!

So we would be able to expect new donator ranks which are indeed the lower-cost donator ranks with these Paid-Memberships being introduced any time soon?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?

I suppose it's a start.


Please, please consider this. Most of the staff seem to be for it in some capacity. Even if you don't want to remove signatures completely from ranks/activity and offer the perks in addition to being able to rank up your account naturally as it currently is will go a long way. People will no longer purchase accounts to join a signature campaign or buy one just to run an ICO and the market for hacked/sold accounts will become almost worthless etc. The benefits are numerous.


He's already addressed that.

Maybe someday, but the forum doesn't really need extra income right now, and if I was going to do that I'd want the membership to have several real extra benefits.

Nice idea and I am sure this was introduced to keep in mind the growing number of ICO ann as ico teams do not habe high rank accounts and they do have problems in posting images

Give it to charity if the forum doesn't need the money. The money can also just be saved or invested but the benefits of offering more donator ranks are more than just monetary. The biggest issue here is trying to curb the colossal amount of account farming by shitposting which is ruining the forum (and staff are left to constantly clean to up the mess which is a losing battle).

im sure many people would be willing to pay a small fee for the option of being able to set a custom title, i know i would. then again, i could see this feature being abused by scammers and such to seem more trusted and stuff, maybe only allowing certain member ranks to have this option available might be a good idea.

now, the feature we should really be looking for next is donating to set one's gender to attack helicopter.

The true way to win is make the value of posts equal nil by banning signature campaigns  ::) [Authoritarian sometimes does work]

More moderators or introduce automation can at least treat the symptoms better now. Encouraging / rewarding user reports would probably help too, honestly that might open up its own market. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect) Seems this happens a lot with India...

But seriously, is there any automation in place? I mean, should we start collaborating strings to search for in posts to help automate it? Are false-positives really an issue?
 Considering how appealing bans is fairly straight forward, it's really not.

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Supply and demand? Once they pay and start spamming, you get to ban them and keep their cash. The crazy thing is they're asking for it!

People will try and abuse anything but I think the positives will outweigh the negatives. I have suggested being able to change your name being included with a premium level rank (amongst other benefits), but I know that could be abused but would it be worth the risk of the price of the premium rank? To counter abuse, usernames could be limited to only being changed once every six months etc and they possibly have to be approved by a staff member/global mod/admin etc. Every time a custom title is changed maybe it could go in a que to also be checked.


Ha, this is a human right.


I wouldn't have been against banning them completely, but theymos seems to be against this and is very unlikely to do it. Personally, I would prefer for more restrictions being put on them and many ways have been suggested by staff but we can't really do anything without theymos' approval or him giving more powers out to people.


More mods and admins are needed (or more importantly some of the workload needs to be distributed amongst the current mods). Some boards don't even have any mods assigned at all.


I don't think some sort of rewards for reporting posts would be a bad idea, but as you said some people would find a way to exploit it. However, those that do report accurately and frequently will have the possibility of becoming a mod at some point which has its financial benefits (but mods are rarely promoted so many probably give up or lose interest (not that they should be reporting purely for that but it's largely a thankless and time-consuming task)).


There is some limited automation but it's not ideal. Any efficient moderation needs to be done manually and is very time consuming as I'm sure you can imagine.

Much better, this is good policy to avoid some newbie scammer which launching new ico project and the main goal is to get fund from the investors and then run away took all the investments. By this i think only serious people who have real and good project will pay for this to make their threat much more interesting in the eyes of the people.

Is “copper member” displayed when someone pays the fee? If so do they retain he title after they have sufficient activity to become a “member”?

I like this idea. It could potentially lead to more strict anti spam measures such as longer time between posts, waiting x time before you can post, being able to only post in x boards, being unable to create threads (in x boards) etc

Once you have it, you get the choice:

https://i.imgur.com/uE22CHZ.png

I can't really think of any benefits that higher up member levels would need. How about just a simple supporter (or whatever you want to call it) tag just to acknowledge people that do donate?

I'm sure we could think of some perks. They could have the ability to change their name, have a jpg banner in their sig or have access to the current donator board where they can have a one on one chat with the current VIPs and satoshi when he drops by every now and again (he has great banter but he can be a bit racist at times).

Maybe a board that doesn't allow sig spammers to post. :)

A domain name sales forum would be handy as well - especially if it didn't allow registration service and hosting spamming.

I have actually suggested before a board that either doesn't display signatures or count towards post count, but maybe that board shouldn't be a paid priviledge and actually free for anyone to use as sig spammers and farmers would naturally leave it alone.

Is there anything in store for high ranking members in Paid Membership?

Is it this membership fee is connected to current BTC/USD exchange rate?
It's good thing that newbies who will buy this membership will be able to post images. Because now they had to hire some random accounts to post their announcements or ask somebody to quote it.
But I'm not sure about reducing signature size restrictions. Newbies who don't have knowledge about bitcoin will be able to participate in signature campaigns after spending some btc to buy membership. But maybe it will reduce account farming a bit. People will don't need to buy farmed accounts to participate in signature campaign, it will be enough to buy membership on their freshly made account. But selling of higher ranked farmed accounts will still remain to be serious problem.

going off of this quoted section, i would assume that it is based off some currency's exchanged value.

I'm facing this issue, as I'm newbie and translated an ann in french.

And when I posted my ann, I saw the picture wont show

I was happy to see this thread, but then I saw "low fees", thats 25$, not really low...

How much are you getting paid to do the translation?

I truly don't know. I like doing stuff like that, and I like cryptos.
I know what you mean and I agree that there are a lot of great opportunities here. And maybe 25$ is worth it, but I just don't know right now. I'll see...

If you can't afford it or don't want to pay it then just wait for the restrictions to be relaxed naturally as you rank up (which isn't long anyway for Jnr). I think most people will just wait but for those that are willing, donating for certain privileges or being able to jump the que as it were is a worthwhile addition.

I already paid the fee, I still can not post pictures

You sure you're doing it right and uploading them to a file host with the file extension? Try quote or post this to see if it works:

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170822235920-08-trump-phoenix-0822-exlarge-169.jpg

I do this: Look: http://prntscr.com/hbb1g6

https://prnt.sc/hbaqkh

https://prnt.sc/hbaq06

Yes, because you need to link to it directly ending in jpg or png etc

Try this with image tags:

https://image.prntscr.com/image/URJCyrLLTLi79tkYzvX_ww.png

https://image.prntscr.com/image/URJCyrLLTLi79tkYzvX_ww.png

https://image.prntscr.com/image/URJCyrLLTLi79tkYzvX_ww.png


Here it worked, but in preview of a new topic does not appear.

Post the topic and link me to it (lock it if you prefer).

Edit: try put a title in the subject.

I think it is pretty obvious that "Copper Member" is still a low rank, unlike VIP or Donator. However, I do agree that this thread should be stickied. I had someone PM me today asking me to post images for an ICO and I just replied telling them about this and they paid for the upgrade.

I need you to return private message

Got this message from theymos regarding the issue:



Their rank is already still displayed in addition to the copper member, but if somebody gets scammed purely because of that then it's their own fault and I have no sympathy for them.

This is probably a silly question, but can one be both a Copper Member and a Donator?

Why don't you try it and find out?  ;D

The issue with previewing is fixed now.


Short answer: Yes, mostly.

Long answer: Each forum user belongs to several groups in three categories: one primary group, one post group, and any number of additional groups. Your group membership looks like this:
Primary group: Donator
Post group: Legendary
Additional groups: (none)

A typical newbie's membership looks like this:
Primary group: Regular member
Post group: Newbie
Additional groups: (none)

By paying the fee and then visiting the paid-promotion page, you get the Copper Member and Whitelisted groups added to your additional groups section. (The Whitelisted group is what gives the reduction in time-between-posts.) So the two examples above become:
Raize
Primary group: Donator
Post group: Legendary
Additional groups: Copper Member, Whitelisted
Example newbie
Primary group: Regular member
Post group: Newbie
Additional groups: Copper Member, Whitelisted

Once you're in the Copper Member group, the promotion page gives you the option of "wearing" that membership. I posted a screenshot of this before. Once the example newbie does this, their group membership looks like this:
Primary group: Copper Member
Post group: Newbie
Additional groups: Whitelisted

(And using the same form, you can revert to the previous state.)

However, if your primary group is manually granted, such as Staff or Donator, then you will get an error when you try to do the above operation. It's not allowed to go from a manually-granted primary group to an automatically-granted primary group automatically. If for some reason someone wanted to wear Copper Member instead of Donator or whatever, they could contact an admin and we would probably do it. But it would be purely be an aesthetic thing: any additional privileges a non-newbie would get (I think there are none) are granted just by having the group in your additional groups. (Newbies need to have Copper Member as their primary group to escape the image restrictions, though. That only looks at your primary group and post group.)

FYI: 11 users paid for Copper Membership so far, which is more than I expected. I'm happy that the feature is being used.

Also, someone asked me about this in a PM: I named it Copper Membership because if I create other memberships, it'd make a nice theme to name them all after precious metals. Although copper is not traditionally a precious metal, it is today commonly found in bullion form, along with silver, gold, platinum, and palladium. I like that this theme feels very distinct from the Newbie -> Legendary scale so that it doesn't seem like you can just pay to get what others have spent years on. And to me while "Copper Member" doesn't sound bad, it also doesn't sound too prestigious, which it shouldn't, since it's pretty easy to get.

This is great because will help people that want to advertise their new companies and projects. Will facilitated and take out the middle man. Usually, some people buy jr account to do that. And it is easy to see that there is a lot of newbie account just spaming for being able to post images.

Image post test

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170822235920-08-trump-phoenix-0822-exlarge-169.jpg

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WOW!  :o  :o  :o

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Question: How can I access the settings to wear or not the copper member status without bookmarking the link that theymos gave on the OP?

how if a newbie decides to buy a member account instead of pay a small fee? how can you resolve it?

what happen when account rank increase to Jr member will have same copper member or will be end ???

can high rank pay to be Copper Membership???

Go to the previous page and read theymos post.

It is an alternative but a risky one since you can get scammed or get a negative trust from a default trust member.

It's not linked anywhere else right now, so you just have to bookmark it or remember to search for it.

Small fees but newbies still have to pay for the fees transaction, it's quite high for now. And this feature was made by theymos to prevent newbies spamming. So i think it's not worked. It's not about the money too.

Thanks for this great explanation sir, now we know.

What are the standard requirements for posting images? Number of posts or account age?

You just need to be a Jr. Member or above as only Newbie accounts are restricted from posting images. As the member levels are based on time and posts it takes a minimum of 30 posts in 3 activity periods of 14 days each to reach Jr. Member level.

I hope there is an alternative payment like ETH payment because transaction fee in bitcoin is much higher than the amount you need to pay.

To what rank will the Cooper Member be equated if you participate in the Bounty?

How will the forum have any bearing on that decision? What or if at all campaigns or bounties decide to pay for it is entirely up to them but they will probably still go by whatever your existing rank is unless they state othetwise.

I am upgraded to Copper member, but still cant post an image

https://i.imgur.com/kYghP8Q.jpg

You need to "wear" it, at the same URL where you paid.

The forum is unlikely to start accepting alt coins. Bitcoin will be the only option unless there's a real interesting project coming up but theymos has never really indicated he supports the alt coin market. You could always send a very small transaction fee and get it accelerated by a pool you might have to wait a little longer than usual but it could work that way.

Though newbies are new in bitcoin but they are also a user of bitcoin. As a user of bitcoin like other high level user they have a right to use image. By paying a small fee to enable their images is a divided system may be.

Exactly, this is a bitcoin forum and only takes in payment via bitcoins.


They don't according to the admin. The decision to remove the ability for newbs to post images was removed due to abuse by a certain individual spamming the forum with pornographic images by bots. This put a stop to that. It might be annoying for newbies and is a shame it happened but you only have to wait to become a Junior Member which isn't long (or just pay the fee if you can't or don't want to wait).

I understand the joy you can feel here because I could relate with the effort of having to wait for like 6 minutes to respond to a message or send a PM after the last one. If I had the opportunity then, I would have taken it as well. What we can hope for is that its not been abused by people because no matter how innovative an action is, some people will always look for ways to exploit for their own selfish reasons just like the notification via emails that was introduced only for people to use that as a means to lock their account after they must have sold it to someone else.

The people I see benefiting from this and if possible restricted to them is developers who wants to post the announcement threads and start looking for someone to do if for them all over the forum. Aside that, in few months from now, this might not abate any of the clamouring issues we have around here.

Copper status is for ballers only....

Haha. You only have two coins under your name now instead of the five for legendary. I think those coins should stick to being associated with ranks really to avoid confusion and they certainly shouldn't downgrade your coin rankings (though maybe theymos overlooked anyone other than newbies purchasing this). I hope to see more ranks with better perks soon.

Yeah, I doubt too many legendary accounts will be buying this rank. It does look pretty funny being legendary and some green trust and having 2 little coins  :P

This seems too.. odd to look at. I thought for a second someone impersonates you without looking at the rank. Just a quick suggestion though, instead of reducing the number of coins to two regardless of rank, why not make the last coin of the member's rank to be, well, copper? Like for example, Hero Members' 5th coin would be colored copper or whatever just to differentiate it from the others. Paying for that cool tag and getting two normal coins doesn't mix up.

But then again, just my two cents. If ever this gets implemented, people would surely get that cool tag too!

EDIT: Oh, John K. needs to update this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0).

I am looking forward to becoming a Copper Member.  Thanks theymos!

Welcome to the cool kids club.

nice update theymos, I guess this could be another solution for democratize also the forum.
have you never think about a faucet with captcha code, or any easy task that people could use for pay this fee?
if you think a newbie need at least 30 days to be a junior member! in 30 days of free faucet how he can produce for the forum?

Legendary with only 2 golds. Blazed you have been robbed (by copper member) ;)

Thanks!

It would be great to see another member level where I can pay to have an avatar.

Ha. That was too many coins anyways.

This is actually one of the suggestions I made as a perk for a higher level donator rank. Maybe it could come with the Silver rank and then something even tastier for Gold (image banner in signature etc).

Found an issue with copper status. I can not delete my posts  :D

There is no option.

Once I remove copper status i can delete stuff...

So basically being a copper member means you have a hidden scammer tag.

Edit:except that copper members can edit their posts.

I fear that, scammers will be benefited with this new liberty. Newbies might misuse it to run the scam, admin should keep regular check on these accounts and if there are any suspicious activities found, then this feature should be revoked.

How is posting an image going to encourage scams in any way? Images are disabled for those annoying memes and stuff that newbies tend to post on other forums. If they do that then they will get banned pretty quickly and just wasted a little bit of money doing so.

Fixed, thanks.


Yeah, I didn't really expect any non-newbies to buy it. I changed it to use the coin images for your post group.

Nice work...I can now delete my posts as copper.

Now that hilariousandco changed his custom title to Gold Member, I have a strong urge to become a Copper.

This is actually pretty cool. I'm sure it will be handy for new projects that are just trying to post their OP and have created a new account. Great idea. It shows that the forum is still innovative.

What are you talking about custom title? I paid someone called theymo5_Admin_Legendary Member one bitcoin for this rank.

Theymos, is there an updated number of how many people have purchased it so far?

Does this mean it is being worked on and going to happen?

(or is it just something you always wanted  ;) )

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kXkgpppJXGI/hqdefault.jpg

So that is why I have seen a newbie, that can post pictures and with two coins under his username and is classified as Copper Member! But I'm just afraid that some newbies may used it to manage campaigns and use their additional features to scam people around bitcointalk. Am I right? or I'm just overthinking? But it's alright, I won't join newbies/Copper member campaigns after all!  ;D

Theymos has mentioned he may or may not add new levels in the op of this very thread. There is nothing that I know of currently being planned but it is something I have been pushing for for quite some time because it will put a huge dent in the market for forum accounts if you can essentially just buy the privileges from us instead.


If somebody gets scammed for the mere fact they have 'copper member' under their name then it's their own fault.

Thanks. I did read the OP it was just when I saw that under your name I initially thought that meant there had been some progress. I do hope it does happen as I agree with you that it would put a cap on account prices, even if not completely stamping out account farming, it's got to make some improvement.

I just did it as a bit of a joke because I knew it would pique people's interest and get them excited (or worried if you're an account farmer). My original suggestion was actually to remove signatures from ranks/activity entirely and the only way to get one would be to donate for one which would then put a stop to account farming almost 100% because it would be utterly pointless to do so. I'm not sure if theymos would be willing to remove them completely but having them alongside ranks should have no issues and will help drastically reduce the demand for accounts.

hi,

could newbie can pay too to recover their old account,  i was away for a while and when i try to reconnect my account was suspended, i try to contact admin many time, i can prove i own the old account, but nobody answer me,
i will be happy to pay to recover it

can be a future option?

thanks

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Search by position: "Copper Member"

I really don't get the point of this rank but it doesn't bother me enough to rant about it.  ;)

If you can prove the account is yours I can unlock it for free. I can't restore or reset passwords though. I did suggest a while back that admins could charge some sort of fee to restore accounts though.


Ah thanks. Didn't think of that.

It's basically just a rank to automatically whitelist you and enable you to post images (which can be vital for some users).

yes i can but you are not and admin ?
how can i do that,   in mp?

I feel like it would be helpful to scammers starting up an ICO, altcoin, etc. and posting all of their re-used images. I realize there are legitimate reasons for legitimate people... maybe it's just my pessimistic perception of which group is helped more with this rank.  :-\

A scammer is just going to buy an account anyway. As well as giving legitimate users the ability to get whitelisted without being given the choice of getting someone to post on their behalf or resorting to buying an account, this also means the revenue goes to the forum not account farmers.
Everyone can see the Newbie rank and activity alongside the Copper Member status and should be able to deduce that is a bought status.... maybe it's just my optimistic perception of which group is helped more with this rank.   ;)

Contact me on my hilariousandco account with a signed message.


As above said, they usually just buy an account to make the thread anyway (and oftentimes they're hacked accounts). Images were only removed in the first place because some idiot was botting the forum with porn. I doubt allowing them to post images will suddenly make them invincible scammers but I'd rather them do it on a fresh account they just bought.

Newbies can run a signature campaign OR can start the ICO , potential scammer will not care about the money for getting this rank. This is what I think, I may be wrong :)

I may just not have enough insight into this but I feel like if I'm a scammer who currently buys accounts, it seems like it would make more sense to now buy the Copper Membership.

I would think that account sales come with their obstacles for scammers as well... if they are not using an escrow, they can easily get scammed themselves. If they are using an escrow, they're probably paying for it. They could buy an account that gets tagged 3 days later... etc.  Yes, this may ultimately reduce a piece of account sales between users, which I'm all for... but it seems like a double-edged sword which gives scammers a quicker, cleaner way to establish a new account and setup a thread for scamming via ICOs/altcoins. If I'm a scammer, sending stolen coins to theymos from my last scam, so I can get back to scamming quickly, seems like a much faster and cleaner solution for the scammer.

I'm also not sure why they need a rank of "Copper Member"... if this is just to post images, provide the access to the account and maybe list something on the profile page of the account indicating they've paid to post images, I don't think it's necessary to list them as a "Copper Member" everywhere... or that they should even get 2 coins under their name.

... Would it be considered abusive if a DT member left neutral feedback on new Copper Member accounts explaining what a copper membership is?  ;D

Dear Admin,

I transferred to bitcoin wallet of bitcointalk
Pls help me with uploading photos to forum and inserting hyperlink
Thanks for your help

I think the price of a copper membership would probably be more than a low level account. If memory serves me right, I was able to sell "member" accounts for the equivalent of roughly $20 worth of BTC (prices were in BTC) in 2014/2015. I paid about $38 worth of bitcoin for my copper membership plus the tx fee.

With both buying an account and buying a copper membership, there is no guarantee you will come out on top if you buy either of these with the intention of using them to scam. If you buy a member account (or a copper membership) with the intention of using this to scam, you will need to steal at least $20 (or $40) just to break even, and if you do not, the value of your investment will presumably go to zero when your scam attempt is exposed, and receive negative trust. In both cases, one can presumably make money in non-scamming ways.

thanks hilarious for your proposal i just send you a message on your other account

If you are only comparing the price... if the title gives them a better chance of successfully scamming for more money, it could be worth the increase?... especially right now when it is a new rank and not even listed or really explained anywhere except this thread. People send coins to accounts that create a new account with a similar name to an escrows or another trusted member, now they have the option to get a new rank and allowing them to put even more spin on how their account is "trusted".

It just seems like this could be helpful to a scammer, maybe eliminating the title and coins under the name could potentially avoid this perception issue while still providing the functionality. Provide the paid option to allow lower restrictions, fine, but is there a need to add the rank to every post, PM, etc. that the account does?

I think it also creates a false perception when a legendary member buys this and gets "Copper Member". If you had clean feedback, you would inaccurately be perceived as more trusted, or at least a higher ranked account than other legendary members who do not have "Copper Member" under their name.


I'm also not sure if you are helping or hurting my argument here... since a lot of people here see you as a scammer (and a good handful seem to think you are an active scammer)... If my argument is valid, you, as a scammer, would not want to lose the copper membership option!  :P

If you agree with this premise, then yes. I am not sure this is a good assumption though. All having "copper member" next to your name means is that you donated ~$38 to the forum, which was enough for about a month's worth of hosting in 2011, and is essentially a plaque.

The potential to scam people by creating imposter accounts has decreased due to the content of PMs being sent by new users is not sent via email anymore. Also the cost to create an account called "thermos" is free, while the cost to create an account called "thermos" with a copper member tag is around $40.

People like to be recognized, and the special title is essentially a recognition that a small amount of money has been donated.  


I don't think anyone actually believes I am an 'active scammer' -- some people do like to make this claim in order avoid answering questions and/or addressing concerns though.

Oh, good news. Because rank connected with activity and you must wait some time before getting next rank.
Thanks!

How hilariousandco have gold membership as I can't see it there?

I thought the same but it turns out to be a custom title. As a Global Moderator, I think he can use any title he wishes. I asked above:


I think a lot of us would be interested in this. I would certainly buy it regardless of what extra perks it gives just to show support for the forum. I was going to get the Copper one but I'm holding out to see what happens. It's just a question of persuading theymos that it is a good idea and enough people want it.

Well this is my issue... is this "fee" supposed to be for recognition, or like theymos stated, is it supposed to be just for enabling a newbie to post images and lift some restrictions?  theymos stated this was not supposed to be recognition of a donation.

Help me, please, I’m trying to insert a signature, but links are removed.
Is there a problem in the signature or there is some limit?

I'm not sure what recognition being a copper member gets you. The title sounds pretty shitty and the benefits are pretty crappy as well (though they're not meant to be anything other than a way for Newbs to whitelist themselves) and anyone who thinks othewrwise is probably a little foolish or naive. However, the (potential) higher donator ranks such as Silver/Gold/Platinum (if they ever come) will be more 'prestigious' I guess.


I think it would be beneficial for numerous reasons. Lots of people have seemed to express interest in donating to the forum if only the value was lower, so why not give them the option with a few perks to say thanks. If we allow users to say have a Senior-sized signature for Silver and Hero-sized one for Gold etc it will likely put a stop to people buying those accounts instead so it's win-win for everyone in my opinion. There's currently a huge black market for accounts and people are sadly making a business out of shitposting farming and - even worse - hacking accounts so why not give the people what they want and take away money from account farmers and hackers in the process.

Me too, I think signature limit for Newbie and Copper Member are same. Once you wear signature for another rank, the message "Links removed" will show up.

hi hilariousetc  do you have receive my PM on your other account?

thanks

Its good start, if you really need to disable restrictions you have to pay. Too bad I didnt able to check on this earlier..

Thanks for this

I just bought this, waiting for the confirmation.  I'd like to thank you for adding this feature.  This account is an organizational account for a project/organization that is about to be announced, and I've been careful to post things that are consistent with the organization's mission and goals.  This will allow me to post announcements, with images, without having to either do it on my main account (BenOnceAgain), or posting a bunch of content unrelated to the mission of the project/organization.

I appreciate this new feature.

In the contrary, I would say it will enable more shady projects to get a good looking ANN and trick more people for the very small cost it has. It might reduce spam partially, but without any metric it will be hard to confirm.

Thanks for this.
I will try
 ;)

Cool idea, I just started noticing the new rank.

if you trying insert signature code directly,it have only a limit on newbie on character or letter that you put on your sinature code box, waiting for jr member rank to make this and completely shown.

I'm curious if you are revising the BTC amount for this service as  BTC goes through the roof?  $11K  today.

Let me correct that for you

I am not sure but isn't the price already adjusted (by theymos)? I checked it in preev and it is ~$29

It doesn't automatically adjust, but I update it every now and then. Same for the evil-IP registration fee.

Thanks -- I checked the exchange and that is a fair price.  Much appreciation for the quick reply.

You have exceeded the limit of 30 personal messages per day. Buying a Copper membership may increase your limit.

That came up. But never sent 30 messages😂

$25 is realy nothing. As a translator your earn $1500/monthly

Take a close look here and read carefully what is written

I do not know about it, but so far I really like this new feature.
Great job!

Would it not be possible to peg it to fiat (out of fairness and so we don't have another vip/donator rank situation)?

Are there any plans to implement more ranks yet as the Copper one seems to have been fairly popular and higher ranks with bigger and better perks I'm sure would be even more so?


The address given is unique to you, hence how we know you've paid.

This sounds pretty lame to be honest, I don’t know why anybody would want to pay to be a Copper Member. It even sounds ahitty.

Read the op of the thread. It's not meant to be something huge but just a way to essentially whitelist yourself and remove a few restrictions that are vital to some users:


Hopefully some Silver & Gold ranks with better perks will be added in the near future.

The essential thing is to have good / specific features for the new S/G ranks, buying a rank without features or with a limited one isn't interesting imo.
Features could be : premium fast reply to pm?, flexibility to change name (studying the request then accept or deny it), new hidden section...etc (just ideas)

I did not understand what for to create a special name, a member rank, for those people who are ready to pay for posting pictures? I am not surprised this cooper member rank made many of us confused.

I've suggested the ability to change name but I think this should only be available to a premium rank to stop abuse (maybe Platinum level haha). The ability to have a bigger signature would be the biggest draw I think. something like a Full Member sized one for Silver and a Hero sized one for Gold etc.


It's just a small perk/reward for donating. I'm sure other ranks will be farm more exciting if they ever come (which I hope they do).

Why pay when you can ask or pay higher ranks to post your images?

What a Relief! Great Idea!

Because they can change anything in that post. For example if you post an announcement they can replace the link to your website.

Yeah, it would be nice to have features that everyone can appreciate including the higher ranks.
Might join just to help out the forum, but the perks are not that enticing.

A simple to implement one would be to just add x lines to the signature.

That way you would bump up a rank's worth by being a paying member.  The largest possible signatures would be the Platinum Hero (because of course we change the title based on rank) or whatever.

 I believe this will slightly reduce spam
No idea why else it's being implemented

I can imagine it's worthwhile for some who wish  to advertise.

Well this explains a lot

 So as someone who spends most of my time sending pm to individual accts on a scam thread to notify them of the scam within, when an op repeatedly deletes my scam warning comment, this seem to hinder my ability. for example.

 Am currently dealing with the lineage scam thread and they are constantly deleting my scam warning and those pm i send to the individual accounts is usually met with gratitude for notifying them and helping them avoid been scam. Now am only allowed to send 20 pms an hr and this scam group. pumps out scam thread like crazy. List of their several attempt that i have exposed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2386727.msg24385320#msg24385320 

 I have tried getting the admin involved and they said there is nothing they could do about it,  then i decide to take matters in my own hand and am now been hindered by this new development. I know it's just 30 bucks but it makes no sense that as a full member there is also limitation placed on my pm.

Copper membership is great, Only questions, are we suppose to have a less restrictive signature? Currently we can only type text for our sig. No links, or , styling or anything...

According to the OP that you quoted:


So you should be able to use links and styling plus have a larger signature.

How many PMs can a Newbie send now? I found different numbers:
Newbies - Read before posting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689727.0): Newbies can send 5 PMs per hour
Newbie eula (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2578316): 2 PMs per day.

Does a Copper Membership also reduce the waiting time between PMs?

PM limits was updated by theymos week ago and ir can be found here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2536728.msg25872334#msg25872334
Max number of PM's was reduced to PM spam from newbie accounts.

I fixed the *Link removed* thing (which is only triggered if you have less than 10 posts). You have to be wearing your copper membership when you set your signature for the links to not be removed.

Pay 0.00223178 BTC just allow post image, right?

No. Read the op:

Thank you, and how about message limit?
Pls share me produce to pay?

Purchase Copper Membership here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

It was an honor for me to actually get such a cheap subscription at all.

Thank you theymos for this offer. And that's well in times when actually paying stuff in BTC hurts a lot because of the transaction fees.

It's a honor to me and i hope this forum will exist for a long time. ;)

Hacky

Oh and have nice holydays all people out there. ;)

seems mostly interesting for people wanting to announce an ICO

I'm Cooper Member, but I don't like to have two member statuses in the profile  ::)

Then turn the Copper Membership off in your profile, though there's no way to hide the fact that you're a Newbie if that's what you want to do.

Start a referral program and I'll get you dozens of premium membership buyers. :D ;D :D

If I turn off I can't edit my signature as I want, I prefer two like now  :P

It's really helpful.
Just send and waiting for confirmation.
We're going to make an announcement and this is really good for us instead of buying some random account.
I would suggest having some other programs to lift signature limit too.

I have sent the fund for paying "Member Copper", but i still got nothing. Would you check that for me?


Thanks.

Problem is solved.

Thanks.

Could you please consider any other currency than bitcoin? The fees to send are more expensive than the membership itself.

I guess people have been waiting for this for a good while now. Great to see it finally arrived!

just found out about this, doesnt this kinda completely defeat the purpose of having these restrictions. They are there to stop scammers/spammers , many wiil happily pas small fee.!!????

Hi,

I have a question regarding the Cooper membership and the following line:

"These memberships are not guaranteed to last forever, or to offer the same benefits forever."

In the coming weeks I would like to share a project with the community in the "Tokens (Altcoins)" section, as far as I understand, in order to post images I need to have 30 activities or the Cooper membership. But the above statement is kinda confusing, so after I pay for Cooper I can loose the benefits of posting images?  :(

Thanks.

Scammers could buy a junior member for the same price tho or create multiple bot that will be farmed for a specific period before it starts the predefined scammy activity...
Scammers tend to grab as much cents as they could, i doubt they will bother paying in order to have less restrictions

I think this will greatly reduce spam and the real project people can get their images up!

I think it's not likely that theymos will remove Copper Membership. It become quite popular and also gives some additional money to forum. It's beneficial both to forum and users, so there are no reasons to remove it.

No. Even if Copper Membership was removed at some point you will be a Jnr Member after 30 activity so you'd then still be able to post images. Theymos has likely just included this stipulation merely as a precaution if the rank is removed for whatever reason at some point in the future (or perks are changed) but it's unlikely to be done so in my opinion, but obviously nothing is guaranteed in the small print.

I just send btc for copper rank.
can you check for me please.
To this BTC address,

1KKF6gkGT6hHSFxYigRUcM71qKbGb5TtZx


https://blockchain.info/address/1KKF6gkGT6hHSFxYigRUcM71qKbGb5TtZx

6 comfirmations already.

You don't need to post this here.

Just go to the same page[1] and follow the steps.

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[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Thank you so much for your information.Now i can wear Copper rank.

The issue is fix now.Thank to TryNinja who give me way of doing it.
 :) :) :)

Hi

So if I click the link that will give me a unique address to send the payment to so that I can upgrade to a copper member?

Thanks in advance for your response

Yes.

Quoted below from this link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Can "Copper Member" Newbies wear clickable signatures? 

I know they could a few weeks ago, but it seems that my organization account's signature is not clickable today.  I don't know if that happened due to merit changes possibly?

I have to look into this merit thing it's a change I haven't tracked.

As I see, Newbies and Jr. Members with Copper membership don't have clickable links in their signatures - links are written in plain text. But if I'm not mistaken, in first days when Merit system was released, Newbies and Jr. Members had clickable links in their signature.

This should definitely be changed back so that the links for lower rank members are clickable again.  This will persuade more people into purchasing the upgrade.  I would consider it. 

Newbies did not have clickable links in their signatures and theymos removed them from Jr. Members a few days before introducing the Merit system. It looks like it was part of the plan to make it something that can only be attained by gaining 10 merits.

I purchased copper membership under the advertisment that it would have member ability in the signature. Since today my signature is no longer clickable. What happened? This goes against the advertisement terms of the benefits of acquiring copper membership.

It doesn't quite say that.


Newbie accounts have a limit of max 50 characters with no styling and Jr. Member has a limit of max 150 characters. These have lifted but clickable links you will have to rank up to Member to obtain.

Can we pay with ETH instead? BTC is too slow and fees are 2 high.

You can't. Not sure if theymos would open an exception to manually accept other coins, but I don't think he would.

But regardless, fees are super low right now. I'm pretty sure you can get your transaction in the next block with a fee of 5-10 sat/byte. That's ~$0,07 with a legacy address, 1 input and 1 output.

Just take a look at the mempool: https://dedi.jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#24h

This is the Bitcoin Forum.  It is not the Altcoin Forum, and most particularly not the Bolt A Turing Complete VM Onto A Blockchain Security Nightmare With Centrally Controlled Promise (https://web.archive.org/web/20160704190119/https://daohub.org/explainer.html)-Breaking Via “Irregular State Change (https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/07/20/hard-fork-completed/)” Exploding Clown Car Cryptokitties Toy Coin Forum.

Expect for the official coin of the realm to be Bitcoin.

Thank you for your So Generous and Detailed Description, SIR. No need to be snide. We are all on the same side here bro.

I’m not your “bro”.

Hahahahaha

Snide might come because of your comment, did you notice it? 


you were making some BIG blocker nutjob talking point about bitcoin supposedly being broken due to transaction times and fees, which is largely a fabricated situation based on spamming attacks that altcoiners like to take advantage of and to suggest that bitcoin is dead or broken.  Furthermore, there are sometimes sides taken when those kinds of bullshit claims are made, because some of the same folks who are attacking bitcoin are trying to trick people in various kinds of ways and fabricate shit, so sometimes people are not going to consider you as friendly if you are using some of that same language to justify a request/question that you are making.

@nullius
You sure are not :).

@JayJuanGee
Yeah, I noticed it.
What we have here is failure to communicate... :o)
My apologies if you got the wrong impression. And you got the wrong impression.
I just came to ask if I can pay with ETH (i dont use BTC at all because my own reasons that I that post). I didn't come here to talk "nutjob" against bitcoin. I think you guys are on the "edge" and thought of me as hostile.
Anyways I got my answer. Its no no for ETH payment so I guess I'l open a BTC wallet and pay with btc.

Thank you!

For example,if i post ICO Project in Altcoin Announcements my images will not displayed if i don't pay this little fee?

Almost the same question here. If I buy this status can I start ANN with images?

Well rather than me tell you the answer I'm going to quote the first paragraph of the OP and see if you can work it out.

Can I also post more than one priv msgs to other users? How it will increase my daily limit?

Buying a Copper Membership means you will be whitelisted. PM limits increase with activity as per the table below.

FYI, because I just ran into it: The 75% reduction does -sadly- not affect the hard limit of 4 seconds between certain actions (including posts and reports). No, its not an issue and I will not ask for a refund. ;)

Nuts. I was actually contemplating buying Copper Membership solely to be able to report more than one post every 4 seconds. Now how am I supposed to keep up with the shitposters? :-\

Report Bot Army? :)

This seems interesting. I suppose I can see the merits (pun not intended) of taking the chance to become a copper member. Will have to think about it.

I paid to receive the copper membership but it doesnt appear to be activated I paid yesterday

txid: 5f64a61ddf26e639d4e5fb2562a2ed31f3865d90fe23787085370ed72be5feb6

You have to visit "the page that provided you those information (again) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote)" and follow the steps (in order to wear it).

[2018-03-11 edit:  Struck out/modified some of my suggestions; issued correction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.msg32069661#post_correction), q.v.]

@theymos

Has the potential been considered of allowing paid accounts to have avatars at low rank, via Copper Membership or otherwise?

It seems reasonable to expect that this would substantially enhance the draw of paid membership; I think it perhaps could even justify a moderate huge bump in price.  I speak from experience:  When I was a Newbie Copper Member, I myself would have paid extra to sport an avatar—say, the equivalent of $10 more.  (Now, I wouldn’t; I’m only about a month away from Full Member.)  Avatars are fairly basic forum self-styling functionality, and not really a good indicator of rank:  As it stands, you only need to be active for a bit over four months to get an avatar; and there are no further enhancements to avatars at higher ranks.

I did enjoy Copper Membership’s allowance of links in my signature (as it did at the time).  I used that to link to my PGP keys on keyservers, to my Bitcoin tip addresses, and later (as Jr. Member) to some open-source Bitcoin utilities I’ve written.  Of course, most important to me was the principal practical feature of Copper Membership:  The ability to post images, which improved the quality of many of my early posts.

I dislike the idea of possibly inviting more visual assaults from advertising, especially annoying ad APNGs.  On the other hand, who would pay enough for rented avatar space to make it worthwhile to risk buying paid membership for a spammy account?  I am not familiar with ad rates, but I do know:  An avatar is much smaller than a signature, and most importantly, it’s not clickable.  The avatar of a widely-respected Hero or Legendary might be worth something at market, if only for “branding”; but I doubt a newbie farmed/spammer account holder would find it worthwhile to pay a significant fee just for the avatar.

Apologies if this has already been discussed.

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I’ve actually been bitten by that.  Actually.

My qualifications for whining humorously nitpicking:  “You have reported 257 posts with 100% accuracy” (within a total amount of forum time which currently gives me an 84 activity level).

I tend to batch things methodically.  If I find a clump of spam posts (as so oft occurs), I will open each one in a new tab, write my report texts in a text editor, then repeatedly iterate through the tabs clicking “Report to moderator”, copypasting, double-checking, and then sending the reports.  Call it the reporting machine-gun method.  By such means, it has occasionally happened that I tried to submit more than one report within 4 seconds.

(To be clear, I do not actually see this limit as a problem.)

Yes, I have it on my organization profile.  It works well for including images in posts.

Best regards,
Ben

Super useful for new users who sincerely want to contribute to the board and have been part of the community but didn't have BT accounts. I agree higher paid membership tiers whose proceeds go to charity or to developers would be valuable as well.

many people had benefitted from the forum and I think the forum should provide a way to give back to it, to service the forum and motivate the moderators. More should be demanded from high rank members also and ICO investors. I hope in the future, campaign will also require funding the forum not only to control the crowdsale but to limit use.

The gap between Member and full member is really huge in terms of merits. It takes ten times more effort to become a full member than it took to become a member. If a new paid membership with half full member benefits can be added, that would be awesome indeed.

This is one of the perks I suggested of one of the potential higher donator ranks. Maybe for a "Silver" one if additional ranks get implemented (though theymos has said there's no current plans to add any new ranks). I don't think it should be included with Copper though and that rank should essentially just be a bare bones one with only minimal benefits (essentially being an automatic whitelisting).

[2018-03-11 edit:  Struck out some of my suggestions; issued correction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.msg32069661#post_correction), q.v.]


Thanks, hilarious.  I do think it’s reasonable to not include avatars in the current Copper Membership offering.  However, I don’t see why it would be required to add another paid membership level; that seems to unnecessarily complicate matters.  I suggest instead that avatars should be offered as an à la carte add-on for those who already buy Copper.

For personal use in an account expected to “rank up” normally within a few months, as I said in my post:


The business use case could be different.  For example, consider a role account which functions as a fully disclosed alt, and mostly just does occasional announcements.  Such an account may never reach Full Member status—and it certainly shouldn’t play evil games to bump up posts/merit for that purpose!  At present, there exists no means at all for such an account to display a simple graphical business logo.

For that use case, I think a fair avatar add-on price would be 50–100% of the current price of Copper Membership (thus making the total price 150–200% of Copper’s current price).

Such an account would also need simple hyperlinks in its signature, which Copper already semi-unofficially provides.  I don’t see any reason why such an account could legitimately need a fancy signature—ever.

Hi, guys! Have I to wait till my account got updated to Newbie, or I can submit Cooper Member status even being Brand New?

Don't worry you will be a newbie in few minutes after making 1 post.
Afaik, all ranks can buy copper member, it is not limited to newbies, for brand new it should be the same but it is wise to wait few minutes until the update occurs.

Yes, you can buy Copper Membership and “wear” it when “Brand New”.  There is no reason to wait.  After you create your account, simply follow the instructions at:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

I myself was already wearing my Copper Membership when I made my first post.

N.b. that this can substitute for paying the “evil IP” fee, if you created your account through Tor, a VPN, or a proxy.  If you want Copper Membership, ignore the “unproxyban” instructions; and follow the above link instead.  The Copper Membership fee is larger than the “evil IP” fee, and will absolve you of the evil.  For Tor, etc. users who intend to go Copper anyway, purchasing it when “Brand New” will save a transaction fee:  1 tx to buy Copper, rather than 2 tx for “evil IP” + Copper.  (I am a Tor user:  All Tor, all the time.)

@theymos, please consider adding a link to the “credit;promote” page on the “credit;unproxyban” page with a brief explanation.  That would help users who want Copper anyway, and probably sell more memberships.

(Of course, all the foregoing is irrelevant to you, Jonas_SONDER:  As of this writing; you already have made 4 posts; and I see you at “Newbie” status.  The foregoing information is provided for the benefit of others.)

Go back to the opening post of this thread, open your eyes and read it, follow the instructions to become a Copper Member. Then stop making pointless posts like this to avoid getting banned for spamming.

Hello,

Sorry to bother you, I applied to become a copper member. I sent 0.00208333 BTC to the address : 37HrBxcFhmzffbCKd2qNyVmYBdnuJHDz3D
The payment has been confirmed.
https://explorer.bitcoin.com/btc/tx/2546a7531ed3e6e2a6d7384a26702120fdb9d928102aba132c502c26a951ce26

When I check the page to activate my account, I see a different deposit address : 3BWfXz9AbV96h9b6n3xGxMfPoYmRt64kbY

Please can you help fix that,

Thank you !

I also have the same problem! help please!
Confirmation scans are available!

It's a bug. theymos already addressed that issue/bug on another thread:
Simply read and follow the second line:

I paid! all appears!

thanks for the help!

i want to be a copper member, can i take this membership as i sr. member ?

is it possible?  i saw a lot of people have a copper membership upper than jr.member


thank you for you answers,


why? : i just want it, i like this forum, there are no serious reason :)

Yes, you can, it works for any rank. You get the option as to whether you want to 'wear' the rank of copper or not after purchasing it. As you already noted there's not really much benefit to a Sr. Member but some people just do it as an alternative to making a donation to the forum.

thank you TheQuin, you are king!  :)

It means now we can use avatar campaign in the bounty. But what is the requirement of enabling the images in the profile. Newbie can now turn to Junior member in 30 days.

[Insert curse words (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3013604.msg30997322#msg30997322) here.]


“cryptohacker29@”, what is the maximum price you would pay for an avatar?

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@theymos, thank you for your wisdom in NOT making avatars a standard feature of Copper Membership.

I must severely revise and correct what I said here:

Quote from: nullius on February 27, 2018, 01:16:21 PM

For personal use in an account expected to “rank up” normally within a few months, as I said in my post:

Quote from: nullius on February 12, 2018, 07:00:53 PM

When I was a Newbie Copper Member, I myself would have paid extra to sport an avatar—say, the equivalent of $10 more.

The business use case could be different.  For example, consider a role account which functions as a fully disclosed alt, and mostly just does occasional announcements.  Such an account may never reach Full Member status—and it certainly shouldn’t play evil games to bump up posts/merit for that purpose!  At present, there exists no means at all for such an account to display a simple graphical business logo.

For that use case, I think a fair avatar add-on price would be 50–100% of the current price of Copper Membership (thus making the total price 150–200% of Copper’s current price).

If avatars are in-demand for bounty-chasers, then offering a reasonably inexpensive paid avatar option would likely increase the spam level.

Forget what I said about a $10 avatar for personal use.  Well-intended users will understand and appreciate the need to control incentives to spam.  For ordinary accounts, people can just rank up.  I’ll be proud to wear an avatar for the first time, just over 48 hours from now!

New suggestion:

Accounts at Full Member rank or higher should be able to grant an “avatar blessing” to accounts which they openly disclose as their alts.  It would be reasonable to charge a modest, nonrefundable fee for the administrative overhead required to prevent this from being abused by account sellers (and/or people who would simply sell their “blessing”).  An express condition of such a scheme must be that the “blessing” is only valid as long as the same person controls both accounts.

Example use case (other than mine):

Quote from: BenOnceAgain on February 12, 2018, 08:56:42 PM

Quote from: Hexxcoin on February 06, 2018, 09:01:48 AM

Quote from: sgv on February 02, 2018, 05:41:11 PM

For example,if i post ICO Project in Altcoin Announcements my images will not displayed if i don't pay this little fee?

Almost the same question here. If I buy this status can I start ANN with images?

Yes, I have it on my organization profile.  It works well for including images in posts.

Best regards,
Ben

Otherwise, any paid avatar option must be made too expensive for people who are seeking free money.  That should be balanced against not making it too expensive for individuals who are trying to bootstrap a small business on a shoestring budget (cough).

I think that at current rates, around 0.01 – 0.02 BTC would be a reasonable business-class expense (even for small business) while hopefully being cost-prohibitive to a Newbie who just wants to “use avatar campaign in the bounty”.

Can we pay also a small fee for merit as a starter? Just hoping. It's like one-time transaction for newbies or newly Jr. Member to have merits and the fund will go to the forum...

Will NEVER happens.
What's the point to force people to post constructively and to contribute to the progress of others in the forum then?
Another thing, the amount that will be collected from ico spammers will be tiny comparing to ads, so the answer is NO, NO and NO!

Why don't just close alternate crytocurrencies then or disable everyone signature, if not we just create the problem and then introduce a solution and then another problem comes out of the solution itself, create another solution.

Why don't just go to the root cause and stop it.

What other problem do you think came out of this solution?


By making it impossible for account farmers to rank up the merit system has cut off the influx of spammers. That is getting to the root cause of the problem.

Merit selling, merit abuse, merit farner, merit gossiping, merit harrasment, merit bullying

That is not the right calculation here, ealier on
If the amount that will be collected from ico spammers will be tiny comparing to ads then why would we need the alternative cryptocurrencies at all where all the ICO spamming is happening, just close it and why would we need signature which one way this ICO spammer thriving here.

The question is why need signature and alternative cryptocurrencies at all? what is the reason having to keep it despite its bring disaster to the forum and there is no monetary gain keeping it in the system.

That is only a tempory issue. They are fast running out of the distributed sMerit to abuse and it is clearly observable that there is very little still happening.


It is not a calculation. It is fact that alt accounts are getting caught and tagged red all the time. Before the merit system, they would just be easily replaced by farming more accounts. Now it is very difficult for them to do that.


theymos has always held the attitude that the people that provide the content to the forum should be able to benefit financially from doing so if they wish. That libertarian attitude has been exploited by spammers, especially those paying with worthless pre-mine tokens. The Merit system is an excellent way to deal with that and it is after only 1.5 months already starting to have a positive effect. Give it 6 months and I think you'll see much more.

I just noticed mprep has Diamond Member tag on his profile, also hilariousandco with Gold Member
did theymos ever explain about this type of 'member'? these don't seem to fall in the same field with copper member
copper member listed as Position, while Gold/Diamond listed as Custom Title


His post explained and pointed clearly the reason behind this copper membership creation
some other members bought it just for vanity reason ;)

There are 3 known ways to get a custom title that you can set to say whatever you want.

1) Donate 50 BTC and become a VIP.
2) Become a moderator.
3) Ask nicely for it.

I would support Mr. Cassio's suggestion, but it may be complicated to track if someone transfers their accounts to others.  I do, however, agree with the concept that any paid upgrades should be sufficiently high in cost as to deter their use as a vehicle for spam.  A fair price for a fair service.  Perhaps removed from an account upon any spam violation, no tolerance policy?

I think the merit system is a great approach to cutting down on spam, over time that should have an increased effect.  It will be great when the Bitcoin Discussion forum isn't filled with the same 20 items just tumbled around in a new combination of lexicon.  If you dare, as I have, to actually respond to some of these threads, you're confronted with masses of people that frankly, I don't know how they get on the Internet, much less posses any Bitcoin.  But hey, I never cease to be amazed at all of the variety that is "out there".

Best regards,
Ben

Sorry to post here. I need it working in less than a month. I will delete once problem is solved.
I sent to 3PnU4WzCG1da3nSpzzeuVRiUwbDG7JcQnp, and my status is still newbie
Also sent an email to mar18paybug@theymos.e4ward.com to complain

i'm copper member now. Cool

good to know!!!

45/5000
I am very happy to hear the news!

Obviously the title of copper looks very cool, really a very reasonable price if the charge is 0.00208333 BTC. Maybe I should think a bit, I hope it does not raise the price.

IT would be great if one could pay with altcoins with less fees and faster transactions.

It's Bitcointalk, not altcointalk and this is why you can pay with BTC only. And currently Bitcoin transactions are cheap and fast

Copper Member is not earned by 'working hard'. It is for Newbies who wants to remove posting limitations, etc.

This is the second time I've seen you two posting one (almost) right after the other.  With the similarities in your usernames, I strongly suspect you're alt accounts, and you're both shitposters who can't write in proper English.  You'd best be careful when you sign up for campaigns, because you don't want to get caught abusing them with alts.

I'd also suggest doing much less posting, more reading, and figure out whether you really want to be posting in the English section of bitcointalk.  I don't believe you're qualified to do so, honestly.

Thats not fair to claim a money for everything and every privilages on this forum :"(

Nobody is forcing you to use the forum. You're already a Jr. Member, so you can post images anyway. Do you think the web hosting and the staff to run and moderate it are free as well?

I didnt knew that posting image in the forum is restricted for the newbies. I thought its general

Ow wonderful thanks for this brother. Lets have a try out in copper member but is it legal?

Paid to be a Copper Member earlier today, it doesn’t really give me anything I didn’t have before as I’m a Legendary Member any way & can obviously post pics but thought it’d be cool to have the little title & contribute financially to the forum even if it is only a small amount of money.

It got me thinking any way, how many other Copper Members are there here?

Quite a lot! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search and put copper as the search term under search by position and it gives 34 pages of them.

Wow yeah, 34 pages of them. I’ve never even seen hardly any of those accounts posting here.

Weird.

Newbie can now turn to Junior member in 30 days
merit 0 ?

Yes. It's possible.

I've noticed that many of them only post in the Altcoins board, as most of them only pay the Copper Member upgrade so they can make their ANN thread.

I think it took me 15 days to do it. 1 Day for the first 28 points, and one activity period to top it up.

I'll need to check that, but you can work it out from my join date.

First period is the only exception. Joining in Tuesday before few hours from biweekly activity update will let you somehow skip almost 14 days of waiting time. You will feel like the luckiest person in bitcointalk, i witnessed that feeling with someone I know that was perplexed after that for a moment (why it took him so much to rank up later) haha, good old days.

So yep 30 (28 exactly) days isn't accurate.

Hi Theymos. I upgraded to Copper but still unable to post images. Any thoughts on what I can do?

I just looked at your posts and I can't find where you tried to post an image.

Use the following:


It needs to be the link to the image file, not the web page.

Having the same issues as well.
Junior Member with 91 activity and cant post images.

Hosting pics on photobucket but still getting the "bitcointalk.org image proxy. Invalid Image." error message when I try and post images.  :-\

You need to post the link containing the image not the the page in which you find the image

For example :
https://i.imgur.com/*********.jpg and not something ending with /hgghh without jpg or another image extension.

Thanks for the reply.

So for example a link such as this: http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah6/deedcoin/photo_2018-03-10_19-55-30_zpsy20mdvh2.jpg

but in between the  [ img ]   [ /img ]  ?


I appreciate your help on this.

Yes, but tbh photobucket is not really a good image host for forum posting. You will always get invalid image message. Use imgur or postimg for better result.

Copy that. I'll give imgr a try. Thanks again for the help. Much appreciated

Solved:

Imgur works! Photobucket does not.
For anyone still having this issue, use Imgur.com and use the "direct link" in between the [ img ]   [ /img ]  and you should have no issues.

Thanks for the help everyone who chimed in!

What will be the fee amount? Let me hear that first LOL

Why are you acting like an auto-bot?
Too lazy to click on the link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote ?

Hello, hope you can help me with the question concerning Copper Member. I'd like to purhase this status, but due to some limitations, can't pay exactly 0.00208333 BTC, but can pay the sum starting with 50$ at least. So can I buy the status for couple of accounts at the same time? (then what is the address I should transfer BTC to?). Thanks!

You can't purchase Copper Membership for couple of accounts at the same time because they give unique BTC deposit address for every account.

Ok, got it. Just needed to be sure. So will think of another way, thanks!

The error message is quite misleading... says a membership _may_ increase your limit, but then it turns out, no it doesn't.

> You have exceeded the limit of 1 personal messages per hour. Buying a Copper membership may increase your limit.

Copper - 0.00108333 BTC: Allows you to post images even if you are a newbie, reduces the time-between-actions limit, and provides some of the same benefits as being of natural Member rank.
You have paid a total of 0.00100000 BTC. This is reflected in the above prices. (To get the normal price, add this amount to the above prices.)

I am still having trouble with English, so this is a difficult question to ask.
I checked into the link and confirmed that above, the real price of copper member activation is 0.00208333BTC correct? Can I earn membership after paying only 0.00108333BTC?

And is it true that the newbie rating is also a 75% reduction in the time it takes to postback from posting?

Yes it is true you will be able to post images and time between each post will be reduced.

Now go to this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote and whatever amount is mentioned on page you need to pay that amount only, in your case it’s 0.00108333 BTC (I guess you already paid 0.001BTC)

Thank you very much for your reply and thank you for giving us some good information. Have a good day ~

Just purchased one. Yaay!

I purchased It.

Does a picture brings more credability to accounts without merit just like mine? I hardly doubt that) I used to think all they are for free here all the way but still didn't find time to get me one

What are the criterias to become Copper Member?

It isn't mandatory. It is your choice to wait until your rank increases or you just need to pay a fee If you want to have some restrictions lifted as a newbie like showing images in your posts + those :

https://i.imgur.com/Fa8Y209.png


thank you very much , this is first my thread . i hope it will be clear .

I just wondering if being copper member will be able you to wear an avatar ?

No you can’t.
Avatar is available for Full Member or above Ranks only, copper membership won’t give you this facility.

More details you can read here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689727.0

Well, Thanks for this information I thought that being copper member will be able to wear avatar.

I purchased one but the system needs to let new participants for projects to contribute more for the forum sake. In this activity system, forum itself push to post unnecessary post.

So I had this message when I tried to reply someone who PMed me after another
"You have exceeded the limit of 1 personal messages per hour. Buying a Copper membership may increase your limit."

Then I went to search on thread about this Copper Membership, found that it also lift the restriction on Image posting for newbies.
Without delay, I immediately pay for it as I dont want to waste my time.
After paying, I went back to my inbox to reply that person, the same message still appears.. So it doesnt do what it says? Can Admin please fix this issue? What I get is not what I paid for =(
Maybe I didnt read somewhere says that this doesnt fix that issue?

No Copper Member does not remove such restrictions, its clearly mentioned here

Did you wait for that transaction to receive a confirmation (to successfully own it), before going back to your inbox (at that time)?
- I can see that you're wearing the copper membership (now), so that issue/error shouldn't be there (if it's still there, it's a bug).

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It's outdated though. A month after that, theymos introduced the "New PM limits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2536728)":

Yes that issue fixed =)

Does that mean as a copper member (auto whitelisted), we can send a maximum amount of 120 PM (be it accumulate or one shot) without any risk of getting banned?

What if you send more than that? Just curious?

The forum rules still apply and if you send unsolicited messages and they get reported you will still be banned.


You can't, it is a restriction that will stop you sending more.

hello,
can i pay for the copper upgrade in ETH?

I'm pretty sure the Bitcoin Forum only accepts payment in Bitcoin. I see you are already wearing a Copper Membership so I guess you have worked that out.

how many post should be posted to level up. (thanks in advance )

Not only posts, you need activity and merits too to rank up.

Read these two topics for more information
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

in the above link it is written "revisit this page and then use the form which will appear in order to wear your new membership." which form admin is talking here about ?

The one that will appear on that page after your payment has confirmed.

Please post in English and follow instruction:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote
You have click on link above to wear Copper membership.

just curious,
if i newbie and newly registered today,
an then i paid chopper member,
 can i gain 30 activity in just 1 week ?  ???

No, having a "Copper membership", doesn't give you the ability to gain activity more than what normal users can have in a bi-weekly period (14).
- Regardless of that, there's a way to gain 28 activities in a shorter time:

SORRY FOR QOUTE

Hi sir thymos  i recently paid for copper member and i forgot to log.out my bitcointalk user bhebhe which is banned status. I will create a new account with copper mber which i already paid.  I hope my account is unbalanced, that's because I used copper member who was banned from my account that I can help you thank you very much  please check mur email have picture  please sir thank you [img]https://s22.postimg.cc/vliebp1u9/Screenshot_12.png[/img

how long it takes to get a confirmation and rank? I did transfer yesterday :)

In regards to confirmations, that depends on the "TX Fee" and the "network backlog":
- Check that transaction using one of the explorers (ex. Blockchain (https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/address)) and if it has a confirmation, revisit the "Paid memberships (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote)" page (in order to wear it).

where do you usually upload photos from?

Mostly people are using Imgur and similar services.

Hi there,
I did pay for Copper member.
But I could not wear the images.
Can you help me out?

What do you mean by 'wear the images'?

There is an image in your very first post on the forum and it is displayed correctly.

Lol, this guy is trying to put up some images on their signature space. Copper Sig. only able to display links. :D

Well spotted. Yeah, the Copper Membership doesn't give any extra signature privileges above what a Member level has, but it does allow you to put images in your posts. Nobody can display images in their signature.

Hi.
I want to ask about Copper Member, are this membership permanent?
And I'm confused about this
https://i.imgur.com/yICbNIY.png
Are this mean if I want to be Copper member should pay 0.00177793 + 0.00030540 = 0.00208333 or 0.00177793 - 0.00030540 = 0.00147253 ??
Because I already pay 0.00030540 for IP Restrict recently

Thank you

It means the price would have been 0.00208333 but they have already reduced it by the amount you already paid. So you have to pay the 0.00177793.

How about the duration? are this is permanent or have a duration like monthly, quarterly, annualy?

It doesn't say anything like that so it is as permanent as the forum is.

I just send the BTC.
Thank you for help me mate ;)

so basically copper member and junior member has a similar privilege when it comes to making post correct?
Because we are planning to create long announcement ICO with pictures, so we are thinking of getting copper member if it take too long to get to junior member

It will allow you to post pictures without waiting to become a Jr. Member. The maximum character limit for a post is the same for everyone.

Thank you, we think this is the best way then cause we are tight on schedule. We are also thought there are character limit differences on every rank, now that's a relief, we thought although we can show pictures but we are limited in post length because we are newbie member. Thank you for clearing that up :D

Thanks for the clarification. That was really helpful for us as well and we finally found the answer we needed  :)

If it's so then that would be awesome! :)

Glad to know that we have access to copper membership. It will be great if the forum can also provide another reward system where people can rank up faster by completing different tasks. It is taking a long time to become a Hero member. And the copper member offer was from 2017. Wish we can have more access to the forum.

The main idea behind "Copper membership" was to give "Newbie" users the ability to post images (not to rank up their accounts faster) and since we're all trying to do the opposite of what you just suggested (fight spammers from ranking up, especially with the new "merit system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0)" that was introduced on 2018), then I highly doubt that your proposal gets implemented.

Theymos has previously said he may add additional ranks in the future, though there's certainly no plan to. I actually think it would be a beneficial idea for numerous reasons though. Firstly, most shitposters who come here likely wouldn't have the funds to purchase the higher rank (or at least they should be sufficiently expensive so they can't be bought en mass). 2) It would decrease account sales and farming (it would stop them completely if the only way you could get a signature was to purchase it). 3) Money raised via donators could be used to fund worthwhile projects or given to charity. I'm sure there's many more benefits too.

Interesting, though I wonder how many will actually do this. They are newbies, what are the chances they come across this option before they rank up to Jr. Member, which isn't too much. If they find it when they have say 15 activity points, will it be worth it? So I think it should be an option when someone creates an account.

I think that Copper Membership is quite popular on Bitcointalk, I see many users wearing it. For example, ICO devs, service owners often buy this membership immediately after they buy account. And even after they reach Jr. Member rank this membership is still useful becauseit it gives some Member rank benefits (reduced PM limits, bigger signatures and etc.
Sometimes even Hero or Legendary members buying Copper Membership without any serious reason.

I think a lot of Jr. Members are doing it for the Member level signature. Some campaigns are accepting Jr. Member with Copper membership for a Member spot. That's probably a far more attractive benefit that posting images for newbies.  I'm not sure if it possible to find out how many since the member search function has a maximum 1,020 results display limit.

I'm sure hilariousetc's suggestion of making the higher rank signatures available in more expensive memberships would be equally popular.

hello, I'm planning to pay  0.00208333 BTC, is it true that it will automatically credited to my account?, because I'm planning to Post in translation bounty.
 So I need to post image and long paragraph, Is there any limit when it comes to number of words?

I need it as soon as possible because maybe I will post it this week.

thank you.

You are already a Jr. Member so can post images.

There is a character limit per post (~64,000 IIRC) but that is the same for everyone regardless of rank.

OUCH I already sent the 0.00208333

The title of this thread is "Newbies can now pay a small fee to enable images" so as you're not a Newbie that should have been obvious. There is no mention anywhere of increasing any post size limits so I don't know where you got that idea.

From the opening post of this thread:

because I'm trying to post an image and I dont know how to post it.

do you have tutorial link?

Google it. Or search:

Now I'm understanding it better. I was assuming that it was a way for newbies to have simple benefits, such as no waiting 360 seconds before posts, and other such benefits that they would have once they reach Jr. Member. So I thought the copper membership would become obsolete once the member became a Jr. Member.

I'm guessing that if more bounty campaigns start accepting copper memberships instead of Newbies and JR. Members, it can reduce spam from bought and sold accounts.

Hello there,
i've paid a fee, but after first post my status become to Newbie, so pictures are not works and our coin ANN without pictures. Could you help with this?

The instructions are on the page where you paid for it.

I appreciate that with copper membership we can now, post images, its vital really for any project trying to make a marketing campaign on BTT. I still at the same time enjoy engaging with topics and discussions on here... but legendary status seems like a hopeless dream since the merit system has been put into effect.

Managed it, thank you!

i paid for copper but still nothing appeared in my profile

Read the post above yours.

Bumping this one with request go get temporary pinned.. It will decrease the amount of complains posted on Meta for not working ANN images.

It probably would be better to put either this and/or the new Merit requirement update in the "News" section at the top. At least everyone can see it then and there's probably be going to be a hell of a lot of users confused or complaining about it today and over the next week or so as people start to realise something has changed.

The newly implemented addition to the merit system became a worrisome to some few members, especially Jr. Members. But the majority of this demoted Jr. Members who are whining about this new system, could be bounty hunters.

I may not be surprised if one day bounty managers will be accepting newbie with copper membership rank. I could smell a flood of donation if this happened.

If I may suggest theymos, don't you think it's about time to get something from these bounties created on this forum? Why not add an additional membership fee rank? Or better yet, let these membership fee be a means for bounty hunters to rank up without the need of merits.

Bounties are raking profits from this forum and I believe that the forum should too!

P.S, I just want to wear an avatar, would you be so kind to let a ranked Member like me have it?

quite useful for newbies now a days they can paid some money to restrict the limit of adding signatures btw whats the fee for Copper Membership ?

Here you go @toheed2x

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Why doesn't it cross our mind about the members of copper, to eliminate our fear of the merit system, which is currently being applied, In my opinion, I'm sure for Jr. members. Members who have already dropped off so that the newbie is able to pay to the members of copper with a total of: 0.00208333 BTC:
I think it is very capable of doing, So far with the income earned through the bounty project, In a matter of 9 months to become a member of JR, maybe you can join the project around 2 or 4 projects,
if discussed with the BTC price is now cheap, in my opinion it is very, very capable to be a member of copper. With this policy is certainly a very appropriate and professional consideration,

I gave an example:

if the Admin does not love Bitcointalk Members, maybe this new system has been implemented, when it is implemented merit, at the end of 2017, with a noble policy, let us first participate in the bounty project so that there is income in copper. I think to be a Copper Member at this time is very easy for those who are members of the JR, used to be a Newbie.

I think this a nice development for newbie. If you want to add an image,you have to pay for copper membership fee. Than waiting for so long to get a merit. But don't you think that someone that has much newbie account can pay for all of his account without getting knowledge of bitcoin because all he ever needed is to wear a signature

If I pay BTC.... My Bitcointalk account rank is upgrad?????

Is exactly the same. After you send BTC to that address you will be transfer acc from Newbie => Copper Member
Newbie And enjoy the benefits from member Copper Member as Theymos stated in the thread.

Just out of curiosity i'm trying to understand one thing. When I go to "Buy a copper membership" page the wallet address seems like it's unique only for my account, as there is no transaction history and it doesn't change with the time. Does this mean that every user has a unique wallet address "attached" to his account upon registration?

Yeah, every user have unique payment address. Not sure when it's generated - on signup or when user visit Copper membership page. But theymos don't recommend to reuse address blindly and sending payment without checking that your payment address are still same.

Wow, I just realized that this new rule also disables images automatically.
But the price for Copper Membership is so cheap, It's fair I think.
By the way, sorry, I just want to post this image since a long time ago ;D

https://image.ibb.co/n1DHzz/2i9c4z.jpg

When earning merits is not easy, Newbie members will want to become Copper member to join bounty programs in future.
It is better than buying merits.

Has this changed?  I now see a member rank AND copper member on a user's profile.

Before you would only see one rank.

I was trying to find out the same this evening. The copper rank shows on the left on the post, but not on the user profile. Perhaps I has never paid attention to this before, but now copper is on the agenda for Newbies and perhaps we look at it more than before.

I checked on the WayBackMachine ad found cases that behaved as now. For example, https://web.archive.org/web/20171125014306/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1172918.80 is a snapshot from 25/11/2017 and on the thread, there’s a post (#93) that shows:

ronchad
Copper Member
Jr. Member

So apparently this is unchanged, unless it has been on and off and back on again.

I remember it just as DdmrDdmr says above, and I still don't see the member rank on a Copper Member's profile (example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1574226)).
Update: I remember this, because it annoyed me that I can't scrape the Rank other than Copper from the profile, and I didn't want to download a random post too.

I did not earn anything during this time, and many companies have the rules • Only JR member and above are allowed to participate. And what should I do now? All work wasted.

And yet you have enough time for creating those bounty posts!

Two options:
a) Leave this forum and save us all the headaches (for dealing with users like you).
b) Make time and start contributing in forum (instead of destroying it with those posts).

There was a wrong translation, and you misunderstood me. During this time, I did not earn anything to pay for the junior. For you it, of course, is ridiculous, but I do not even have this

Just purchased, what is usual turn around?

Thanks

Specifically, your grammar is hard for us to understand, maybe try to rephrase it so people here can clearly conclude and attend your concern.

Had you read the OP? Bear in mind that having this copper membership doesn't exempt you for banning. If you do things that prohibited then you can still get ban.

Good Day !
 Can i send transaction from my exchange wallet for purchasing copper member rank?
Thanks.👌

Bought Copper Member a few days ago and Images was enabled, but today this feature is disabled again. It's bug or some else?

It's not anything to do with the copper membership. I just discovered it and seems like everyone is facing the same. I am sure soon it will be fixed. You can keep eyes on here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035473.msg46035383#msg46035383

A neat use of the fee mechanics to make it costly to spammer. Hope it works.

Thank you!

I paid for copper 1 week ago but still nothing appeared in my profile

Assuming you paid the correct amount and has at least a single confirmation, go back to "this page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote)" > Click the "drop-down menu" > Choose to wear it.

I do not have drop down menu.

Well Copper Member is showing up now so you must have done something right.


You can send the money from anywhere. Using exchange addresses I think is only really an issue when either refunds/returning money are concerned.

Hi,

If I get copper membership does that allow me to wear custom avatar?

Thanks for your reply.

No avatar is restricted to full member ranks and above for now. Maybe one day theymos will allow new special ranks to have this advantage, maybe.

Thank you.

We have also paid for this service, however we have received nothing thus far! When we go to THIS PAGE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote) nothing has changed, no drop-down menu for sure! We have a proof that the transaction has gone through the system, although our rank hasn't changed whatsoever! I hope that you guys will be able to give us an advice or/and look into it.

Most likely you've paid less than the required amount (I've seen few users had similar issues before and almost all of them forgot that there's a transaction fee as well + some of them used an extra "0")...

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Care to share the details of the transaction (required amount and the given address from that page)?
- Only if you're comfortable with sharing the details.

When I pay for the purchase of a copper member to your website, will my account set the forum signature like other senior members?

No, you will be able to wear Member rank signature.
P.S. Avoid to quote big posts like this one, because it's not really neccessary ;)

I don't understand, after I pay, can my account be set to sign the forum?

With Copper Membership, you'll be able to do what this user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.msg46033200#msg46033200) does. His Activity and Merit are similar to yours, he can wear a signature because of his Copper Membership.

Note: If you keep spamming the way you're doing now, Copper Membership isn't going to stop you from getting banned!
You have 120 Posts and 116 Activity now. After some reports, you now have 87 Posts.
You're going to want to read the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

Ok, I understand, I will pay you later.

I'm not sure if it's your English or other confusion, but paying me isn't going to get you a Copper Membership :D
Go here to buy it:

I don't understand. If I pay you, what functions will I add to my account?

You don't pay him. You pay the forum. You can read about the benefits of Copper Membership and purchase one if you decide to at the following:



Post the txid. I've seen users complain about this before but if you aid enough then you're probably just missing it.

YES, I'm paying BTC through this link.

The activity gets updated once per 14 days. You will get highest 14 activity per 14 days period. You got this period's activity. You have to wait for the next period to come.
You can check the 14 days periods here-  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12saLhlUoqIdairxzuSPu6EYGrt7FN2lOstO1yDjCEbA/edit

Learn more about activity- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237597.0

I have two questions:
1. Will the price of a copper membership change if the price of a BTC rises sharply?
2. Do you plan to use avatars for an additional fee? ( It is very difficult to gain 100 merit )

Probably. I can't find back the link, but theymos said similar to that.

It's been suggested before, but as far as I know there are no plans for it yet.

Here.

Hi, I paid for the Copper Membership 20 mins ago, when will it be activated?

You have to activate it yourself >

I have been F5 the page constantly, but no drop down box at all :(

Check the address you sent the coins to, be sure it's the same as on the purchase page.
It can take a while, I never purchased Copper Membership but I can guess that it takes some time.

You are totally off-topic here.. 

hello everyone! I want paid membership! Please guide me! Thanks everyone

Please follow the instructions given in the opening post. The opening post has a link where you will get a unique BTC address to send payment to. Once the BTC payment has a 1 confirmation, you can revisit the link and you will then fill out a form which will allow you to apply the copper membership to your account.
Here is the link to the opening post for your convenience. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.0
Here is the link to get your unique BTC address. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

This is cool! I want this account upgrade.  ;)

Thanks for your info!

Hello Mods,

I just paid for copper membership. When can I see copper membership option on my profile?
I know it can take few hours.. but I want to confirm that I made payment to the BTC address shown on copper membership purchase page.

Thanks!  ;)

You didn't had to wait for few hours, you're already Copper Member ;) (you can see it under your name)

Thanks a lot! yes, now I can post images!  :D

Congratulations for being able to post images.

As I told you, there are two options for you.
It is clearly that you choose the first option, buying a Paid Copper Membership.

I wanted to ask something long time ago but I always forget to. Why are newbie copper members allowed to send PM if "Allow newbies to send you PMs." box is unchecked?

Having newbies blocked means I don't want to read their spam/threats/try to bribe/insert random reason messages.

Special perk = special ability.
Copper Members are paid members somehow with stealth perk enabled ;)

Thanks for this post theymos, It's really helpful.
i have just one question, can i use it for signature bounty ??

You will have the signature space enable (member rank size), but it will depend on each campaign manager to decide if they accept Copper Member Newbies on their campaign. If it is not explicitly permitted nor disallowed by the specific bounty campaign rules, then you can PM the Campaign Manager to see if you are eligible, specifiying that you are (would be) currently a Copper Member Newbie.

So it mean it depend on the bounty manager and campaign
Oh ok, thank you sir for information and time to reply.

Will this copper membership come with a merit?

Nope, just the privileges.

Just an update from theymos :


It's time to buy now :D

Nearly 30 bucks after the hike. That's the price of 20 cheezburgers.  :o


Btw the natural member means Member or Full member?

It is only Member.

The price will be fixed in bitcoins so imagine what will happen when we enter a bull market again.

I see.

Been waiting for the next bull run since Jan 2018 :c

Has anything been written anywhere about the reasons for this? I can't imagine it's a money making measure. I also can't imagine it's going to deter the people who aren't already deterred by it.

I did't find anything. Checked both in Meta and theymos post history but nothing was mention about the change. The only source of information is the announcement in the news feed. It should be a good thing tho, all those spammers that cannot earn even one merit are buying copper memberships to wear paid signatures so they gonna loose more now.
I don't know if the Evil IP fee will be increased too.

No official reason, but my guess is that Theymos feels that paying a few bucks to bypass the merit requirement just to have privileges as a normal member still encourage signature spammers.

It's just that I last changed the price when the BTC/USD price was $12k, so it's drifted from the intended value. Evil fees will also be updated.


Then I'll (eventually) adjust it downward again. I like to keep the BTC-denominated price pretty stable and not change it every time the market freaks out in either direction, but it's supposed to have a vaguely consistent real value.

Nope it won't,but it gives you a somewhat junior member status and enables you post images and join campaigns(but that's based on the mangers preference)as you'll be able to wear a signature

Buying a copper membership rank wouldn't automatically get you a merit,as you can have 0 merits and have the rank on,but definitely with it you can likewise earn merits,it doesn't stop you from doing so

It's fine you have increased price for copper member. But I am not agree downward again even on bull run. Because the forum name is BTCitcointalk, Not USDtalk or Altcointalk. If I am not wrong copper membership was implemented for enable images. But most of people's are misusing lately for signature campaign. Copper membership is able to wear member rank and most of them are one line poster I have seen. So peoples are simply skip earning merit and never try to contribute themselves.

So how it will be, Copper Membership = Jr. Member facility since topic title is "Newbies can now pay a small fee to enable images." And Jr. Member rank is able to post image.

We've just purchased a Copper member and the following message appears:

Copper - 0.00000000 BTC: Allows you to post images even if you are a newbie, reduces the time-between-actions limit, and provides some of the same benefits as being of natural Member rank.

You have paid a total of 0.00208333 BTC, pending confirmation. This is reflected in the above prices. (To get the normal price, add this amount to the above prices.)

Should I simply wait for the transactions to be confirmed, or any further action is required? I am still not seeing an option to "wear" the copper membership.

Worry not, this has been addressed according to the page itself:

As you have a pending confirmation you need to wait >

Hello good day sir, i sent you a private message about the membership. Thank you.

Well, I tried to 'quote' a reply and was not allowed to. But anyway, as an 'aside' I've seen Legendary Members with this copper membership...so I assume

it was just done as a way to flag a donation and for no other real reason. ie ..contribute to the Bitcointalk fund/cause as it were?

anyway, thoughts on this, if it is insane/just silly/or for the above I want to contribute some BTC to Bitcointalk reasons mentioned above.

thanks

brad

^ I don't see that theymos need a donation in that small amount,Maybe he is in need of donation to bring new forum software to get completed but these kind of donation will not going to help that.

The reason reason behind why even legendary members are purchasing this membership is that they thing it is like a special rank because we have a title as Copper member under our profile which may give them special feeling in this forum,such a pathetic thought. :D

Available paid memberships:

Copper - 0.00649900 BTC: Allows you to post images even if you are a newbie, reduces the time-between-actions limit, and provides some of the same benefits as being of natural Member rank.
You have paid a total of 0.00025776 BTC. This is reflected in the above prices. (To get the normal price, add this amount to the above prices.)


May I ask how much should I pay to get the copper member status? Just to make sure I transfer the right amount.

The current price of copper membership is 0.00675676 BTC and you already paid 0.00025776 BTC

	0.00675676 BTC (normal price)
-	0.00025776 BTC (How much you already paid)
	______________
=	0.00649900 BTC (Exact amount you need to pay for copper)

Allowing 'newbies' to pay a fee to leapfrog Jr. Members in signature and image rights is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that the merit system on Bitcointalk.org is broken beyond repair.

Broken beyond repair.  Period.

Smashed and never to regain the original glory or intention.   With the explosion in the number of users on BTT in recent months/years, systems like the Merit one needed changes a long time ago to prevent what has happened today.  Now it is too late. 

Ok.  Maybe that's a little harsh, but for crying out loud.

The original intention of the Merit system was to keep spammers from flooding the boards. 

Turns out, the English writing skills of the average BTT user borders on illiterate.  Thus in a purely egalitarian world it is obvious that practically no one would be able to compose insightful enough messages in order to obtain a decent stream of merits.  The massive influx of new members the last couple years is proof of that.

So in a desperate attempt to "prevent good newbies from getting discouraged" BTT decides to take a big dump on all the hard working Jr. Members, some of whom, such as myself, have found obtaining merit here almost impossible.  Well?  What about the good Jr. Members?

Go ahead.  Before you start throwing darts, check some of my post history.  My posts for fulfilling signature requirements are involved and thought provoking, well spoken and easy to read.  You won't find anything interesting in the last two or three weeks as I've taken a break from signatures; and, now with this new development, it puts an even greater strain on existing Jr. Members to rank up - during a time when merits given per post numbers are in a down trend and getting worse on BTT.  Facts are facts.

I'm a Jr. Member with over 1000 posts, yet I still don't have 10 merits.  If the merit system was working, I'd already be at Member rank with the contributions I've made here.  I'm not tooting my horn, I'm only pointing out the low quality in general of the majority of posts here relative to mine.

And now, any spammer in the world can simply pay the fee and immediately begin collecting more bounty rewards than all of the hard working Jr. Members.

I was hesitating on posting this because I know how fiercely some of the senior members here defend everything BTT, but this move is a desperation move, not one designed to improve the quality of the BTT threads.  The BTT admins were unable, at least so far, to tackle the problem of spam effectively here.  All the recent moves are after the fact reactions to intractable problems and have damaged the moral of many of the dedicated Jr. Members here, not to mention the cold hard reality that BTT has sold out for profits.

The changes made on the BTT site to control spam will not work.  If the admins here think that monetizing accounts is going to solve their spam problem, then why don't the admins just put a damn price on all the rank levels and let the BTC just roll in?  See the issue yet?

Spam is spam.  Combine that with the fact the average person here has sixth grade level English, and it's starting to appear this site needs a whole new re-write to become relevant again.  Charging an entry fee as the price to do business here is a sign of degradation, not evolution.

I'm opening myself up to the full spectrum of criticisms here in order to get the subject more exposure.    Really.  I'm interested in learning about as many perspectives as I can.

Your thoughts?

So technically, as you claim you were writing quality post because of signature, no wonder you have such high numbers of Post with little evidence (merit) to show quality. Well I was interested in reviewing your account to give you the 1merit you needed to rank-up but the qouted sentence above discourage me. I wouldn't like to merit someone who takes a break from contributing positively to the forum just because he has stop participating in signatures.

PS. If I encounter your quality posts in future I'll merit them.

About newbies been able to pay to post Image, I think the account created mainly to post project [ANN] which are newbie were put into consideration before this discussion was made.

In me opinion the price is expensive,  are ~23€ or ~26$ for posibility to public images...

If you browse around the forum for a while you'll see that the price is actually low. The membership gives you more privileges, not only posting images but wearing signatures, which some people consider to be a very valuable option. In addition some cool down times are greatly reduced, like sending PMs, reporting posts etc.

You're proof the Merit system works just fine! This is a forum, not an ATM.
It starts with your nickname, it's clearly created like thousands of other account farmers who don't care about creating a cool personal nickname. Your Location is an altcoin-address, your Website is an altcoin-address, and you didn't set a Bitcoin address on Bitcointalk.
You say you don't post anything when you're not getting paid from your signature, and when I check your posts I see thousands of links to Twitter. I don't think you've contributed anything to this forum.
If you like Twitter so much: go to Twitter! Don't post that spam here.
While you say you have "thought provoking, well spoken" posts, I see 99% spam.

Don't worry about Merit, it does what it should do.

I hope that I will be able to add images to post very soon.

It is unbelievable that around one year and two months after the day merits dropped on us, there are still users complained untirelessly about merit system.
In my opinion, merit system works fine and cool, despite of the fact that if merit system was not created, I would have been a Hero member now.
However, I accepted that fact, the system, and challenge.
Eventually, months or one or two years later, I can become a Senior Member. I have gone one-third to the rank (100 more merits required).
Finally, I will get it.

That's what the Copper membership is for. Or if you don't want to pay, contribute to the forums and earn Merits to unlock the ability.

hahahahahahahahaha.... No.... misterlucky does not want to actually do any work to write any kind of decent post, instead s/he it would rather wish for an ability to add images in the near future. 

Wishing away, like this:

https://l7.alamy.com/comp/X35YTP/meadow-businessman-gesture-meditate-briefcases-laptop-business-premises-occupation-business-man-suit-manager-sit-dream-eyes-closed-meditation-wish-inspiration-enlightenment-expect-wish-swear-concentrate-relaxing-hope-notebook-comput-X35YTP.jpg

I made a payment to become a copper member , its not showing anything on the page when i refreshed , 6 confirmations have been completed , still i cannot see or use the services. help

If turely you made the full payment that's 0.00480769 BTC (minus transaction fee) then you shouldn't worry it'll reflect. Try logout and login again. But if the transaction fee was included in the 0.00480769 btc you paid, you still have to pay just the remaining debt for it to reflect. Hope you won't mind posting the transaction ID here for confirmation if you actually made the full payment.

If you paid for the required fee alongside the network's transaction fees, you should be able to see this after you visit the paid memberships page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote even just after one confirmation.

https://i.imgur.com/7Kr977j.png

Just click on the copper option and click wear, to be able to enjoy the copper membership privileges
The full message on the page reads as follows.

5/8/2019, 8:45:19 AM   47eb2425b877e38b48baef536db3660e475721d4e8095595749dcc7759cb6670   for bitcointalk forum membership   0.00480769



Thanks i paid this much with transaction i.d pls check

I paid the said amount and i have mentioned the transaction i.d , i also logout and then login again but i do not see any form . how long will it take

i just realized this much Estimated Value Sent : 0.00440769 , so it means do i have to pay 0.0004 again for it to get activated

Yes:

I am somewhat new, (6 months) to bitcointalk.org.  I was told, by one of my advisors, it will be a great place to announce and interact with potential investors about our new STO.  That said I have been so busy with the launching of the STO with website, Whitepaper, PPM, etc that I did not realize as a newbie I had to have at least 30 posts and one merit to move from newbie to Jr member and until that happened I would be limited in how I could post the ANN.  Until then it would have to mainly be text.

I think the Copper Member is a good solution.  I did notice that if it was a newbie that purchases the Copper Member that it still shows that they are a newbie.   

That said, I have another idea that might also work.  Have you ever considered in addition to, or instead of, paying for the Copper Member you could offer some sort of vetting of the new member.  Something like a KYC or AML or ? type of verification for new people.

PLEASE NOTE: That is new people who WOULD ELECT to have such a verification and if they pass the verification that it would move them up to Jr. member?  Or you could call it something else like Verified Member. I would elect to do that if it helped to move up. 

Just a thought.

If someone's verified by them it only shows that you're not someone else, it doesn't mean you can be trusted and kyc isn't the only option to show verification. Having some sort of difference between copper members like a verification tag won't change a thing since they're new and other trusted members could easily tag those users. If you want the images in your ann thread to appear you could always ask someone that is high rank to quote your post.

hmmm I did not know you could do that. Request someone that is a high rank to quote your post.  Thank you Ralle14?

I could also just be more active and hopefully earn at least one merit and become a Jr member which gives me more options in posting.  So that is what I am trying to do.  And as I read through the different threads, and as I read post that I believe I can genuinely be helpful in solving their problems, I will interact and at least give them suggested or links of where to get answers or information.

Actually the Copper Membership you have already gives you more benefits that the Jr. Member rank can give. Just don't a tip, better edit your previous post instead posting a new one like you did above.

I think copper membership is a nice and perfect idea to consider the newbies who haven't gotten merit yet to join bounties and be able to wear signature. Getting a copper membership will be quite high now since bitcoin price has increase now but still yet it worth it,at least newbies restrictions can be lifted by acquiring copper membership. With this no need to wait long period posting for merit, copper membership is now the shortcut for it

I just want to ask, I am a newbie, can I join some bounties like social media bounty, translation and blog bounties? Even I am not a copper member?

If your campaign manager allows, you can. Mostly, these campaigns are not limited to rank. Everyone can join all the campaigns other than signature campaign.
I guess these altcoin campaigns are waste of your time.

Social media bounties probably require a big influence on social media like twitter or facebook, your rank on this forum is not that important.
If you are a translator or blog writer and can prove that you are the creator of said content you can apply for those type of campaigns. But since your rank is Newbie you will not be able to post pictures. So if a campaign requires you to post pictures in your thread you wont be able to do that until you reach Jr. Member rank or purchase a copper membership.

If the campaign manager allows newbie ranks, you are free to apply. But there are no official Bitcointalk guidelines and it depends on the bounty manager I guess.

Most of them are but not all are waste of your time. Some well established projects in the community today did do bounty campaigns at some point. You just have to be smart and selective when choosing a bounty to join and not join every bounty you see out there. Joining one that have a well reputed campaign manager, realistic project idea and achievable goals can put you in the right track.

Copper membership is a good idea for those who intend to put on an image to join bounties without merit. Thanks for introducing this ``Copper membership'' to consider those that can not wait for merit system.

We can add image but not avatar ?

Correct.
It's like you buy the Member rank, and avatar you can wear when you are Full Member. The difference is if you are a Member rank you need 90 merit to reach the Full Member (not taking the activity into account here as it's just a matter of time) but for a Copper Member (if you buy it when you register your account like you) you need to get 100 merit.

We need more merit if we are a Copper Member... it doesn't seems logic but ok.

I think it's hard to get 90 merit.

All Full Members need 100 Merit. A Member has 10 Merit already, that's why he only needs 90 more.

That's intentional.

Well, you're not supposed to get merit easy, that's the whole point of merit system. Otherwise every random spammer wouldn't have any problems to get merits and rank up. And you don't need to do something extraordinary to get merits. There is over 750 users who had received at least 100 merits, so I don't think it's something very difficult.

How do i know i m Copper Member? i already paid but i dont see any badge on my profil

If your transaction has already been confirmed, revisit this website (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote) and select 'Copper' from the drop-down menu. Once you do it, you should see 'Copper Member' under your nickname.

Thank you very much. :) :)

Hello, I need help to understand how is possible that someone has above 350 activity in the last 6-7 months, and no merit at all. And, is there any limitations for buying copper badge? (Limitation in number of posts)

Thank you!

Number of posts are not limited, regardless of your rank and whether you are a Copper Member or not. There is a cooldown time between posts in accordance to this formula, which is related to the Activity you have (the 360 figure is in seconds):


If someone has gathered 350 Activity in the last 6 to 7 months (in the maximum range than can be obtained in that period) and has earned 0 merits, it likely means that he not making contributions that are noticeable in any way, or that he is posting in sections that are extremely scarce on merit (*), or spam megathreads.

(*) i.e. Chinese, Romanian, Korean, Scandinavian (see https://public.tableau.com/shared/WHQRPTC37?:display_count=yes&:origin=viz_share_link)

There are no guaranteed merits to be earned if someone's activity reaches a certain amount of time as long as nothing wouldn't give merit on his posts he can't get merit at all even it reaches a thousand activity.


There are no limitations, even a user has 0 posts or just Brand New member he can buy it. See examples below of users that buy the membership but has 0 posts, it's just so weird they just buy it by and just leave it, anyways I don't know the reason behind it, I just give you an example.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1375420
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1376189
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1254044

Hi, I am trying to post a new topic in Announcements (Altcoins) but can't seem to see images in the message preview, although I am a Copper member.

You need to fill a form after transaction confirmation. Have you done that?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Your profiles displays as a Copper Member, so you should be able to see them. Make sure that your image does not exceed the maximum size (2,5 Mb I believe), and that the syntax used to enclose your image is adequate; something like this:

I just want to ask, Does the bitcoin address for paying copper member-generated one is to one account so if ever I'll pay for it you will know that I'm the one who avails for the copper member and automatic it will be credited on my Bitcointalk account? I just want to make it clear sorry for asking  ;D ;D ;D

Yes, each user will get a unique address ^{[as stated on the "Paid memberships (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote)" page]}:

Yes, though they do eventually expire (after many months), so you shouldn't write it down and use it in a year or something crazy like that.

Hi sorry for this question but,

Can Copper members have a signature?
After the Copper membership goes away in which rank I will be?

Yes.


Copper Membership is just like a title, you would be on whatever current rank you have. But I don't know how would it go away though.

Just to be clear: You can but your signature style is limited ^{[as if you have a "Member" rank]}...

You have the option to wear it or not:

I don't post a lot, so I have no merit - evidently I don't ever do anything merit worthy?, but have been a member for quite a while and had posted my projects in the past with images, but I log in from time to time to read posts but I don't check my old posts to see that nothings been going on.. but when I did I realized that maybe nothing was going on because all my damn images no longer show because the place went paid or something.. but not really.

What the hell, It's not much to pay of course.
I'll go pay and my images will come back - Yay.

Will I ever be able to post an avatar?
I guess not.  Avatars are kinda like your face.
No Merit = No face for me?

Does image copper fee entitle me to an image?

Unfortunately not, you can wear an avatar whr you reach Full Member, the Copper Memphis gives you olny the benefits of a Member account. You gonna need a 100 merit to wear avatar, with or without copper membership.