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Dear Bitcointalk Community,
 
We are excited to announce our upcoming Token Sale for this month of December for Bitcoin Growth Bot - Investment Platform of the New Token Economy.
 

 
WEBSITE: http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io (http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/)
WHITE PAPER: https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/BitcoinGrowthBotWhitepaper2_2.pdf (http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/en-us/)

What is Bitcoin Growth Bot?
Bitcoin Growth Bot is a next generation open-source platform to gain trust and authority creating the first lending program that uses a real algorithm to profit from market volatility. Due to limited supply of Nucleus (NCL) Coin and internal demand created through access to the Bot only through the use of Nucleus Coin will cause rapid appreciation of the token making literally a money making machine.

What is Nucleus (NCL)?
​Nucleus (NCL) is a self-managing peer-to-peer financial system built on Waves an open-source blockchain platform. Nucleus (​NCL) is an electronic currency​ similar to Bitcoin in that it is a store of value.

Why Bitcoin Growth Bot?
BGB is an investment platform to grow your bitcoin while you hold using our third party verified performance algorithm that trades in the foreign exchange market.

Our investment platform implements a swap exchanging Nucleus our custom token on the Waves blockchain for Bitcoin which is traded by the automated bot. At the conclusion of your 28 day term you receive back Bitcoin along with the bot’s performance.











Visit our website at: http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/ (http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/)
White Paper: https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/BitcoinGrowthBotWhitepaper2_2.pdf (https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/BitcoinGrowthBotWhitepaper2_2.pdf)
Team: http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#team (http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#team)
Roadmap: http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#roadmap (https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/road-map-18/)
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Bitcoin-Growth-Bot-1987165431498282/ (https://www.facebook.com/Bitcoin-Growth-Bot-1987165431498282/)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/btcgrowthbot (https://twitter.com/btcgrowthbot)
Telegram: https://t.me/nucleuslaunch (https://t.me/nucleuslaunch)
Exchange: Waves DEX

Thank you very much :)

How to get this coin? any airdrop ?

Is there a bounty?

this is really huge project.. I believe in this project and planning to put All in.. please register in my link to be part of my growing team... http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#register?mwr=5946-780e006d

Announcement pre ICO date on Dec 1
Please register before then using link below

http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#_register?mwr=5946-e4e203cd

Thanks for your time and interest. I appreciate it very much.

We would to offer bounties. I am sure you probably receive offers all of the time with bounties included. We can't offer that because every penny needs to go towards building this project.

I am simple asking for your consideration if you believe this could be good for community as a whole.

The launch offer is very generous:

All channels of communication open. The project is not without it's challenges, it is a big undertaking but we will communicate with everyone throughout.

33% allocated to distribution to incentivize participation in the ecosystem. This is an excessive generosity

I read that as various partners adopting and using Nucleus thus creating more demand and therefore value of the coin. Very smart

Good for all those involved

hello newbies... and guys/folks who are new to these kinds of stuff that is happening nowadays, as you can see this one does have the potential to be The next big thing ... set yourself in a position where you can be part of it...
sign up now on this link: http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#_register?mwr=5946-769944cb
and you'll also get free 15usd (20nucleus coins) for free.. and you would also want to invite to earn as much as you can.. this thing deserves to be funded on december on their pre-ico... gotta invest some of my extra cash... what do you think fellas ?

I think the bonus is too much. But that strategy is very smart. If you do that, there will be a lot of participants

So it is only newbies commenting on the thread, i get your gameplan

I don't think the bonus it's too much. Seriously I have seen some ICOs offering more than 100% of bonus at the presale. I am more worried with the lack of information this project has. What will you do for guarantee the safety of the bot? It makes more sense to sell the bot than preparing a whole ICO process to do such a thing like this. I am sorry for my sincerity, but this looks like one more way to raise a lot of funds without a working product. There are no news here.

Hi All,

Let's give a try. Maybe i will have more luck in this one than in HBC

If anyone interested please subscribe via my ref: http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#tokensale?mwr=5946-84545298 (http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#tokensale?mwr=5946-84545298)

Greetings to All :)

Having trouble with the airdrop.  The link to the website is broken.  Anyone know what is going on?

Say, please, how can we then bring out our tokens? Once everything is very simple, entered e-mail addresses and all?

It looks just like another pale attempt to plagiarize BitConnect; anyway, that doesn't mean it couldn't have some degree of success....

How you will deal with those people will failed to make re-payment within time frame. What kind of security parameter you will implement on this platform and how you will issue loan to any person?

First off congratulations and thank you for creating such an opportunity (for us the little guys) to participate in this great project. I believe in the success of your project considering the way you approach the crypto community and offer equal opportunity for everybody who wants to get involved.

Also the fact that you chose transparency over anonymity will definitely serve as a major keystone in achieving the project goals.
That decision deserves to be saluted.

This makes it much easier for somebody trying to explain your project, future goals and cryptocurrency in general to my family and friends.
We come from a country which is among the poorest in the EU with high levels of corruption.

I'm trying my best to let people know about you and what your future intentions are.
Thanks again for giving us the chance to participate in something positive. Honestly, opportunities of this kind are very rare for us.

I will certainly follow your project and I will forward every new update you share to all the people I'm trying to get to participate.

http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-0d145be6  :)

Nucleus coin founder Jordan Lindsey, quick search comes up with interesting results

Sound like he is a typical trading Forex guru, lot of negative reviews and questionable 5 start reviews.

Since he was so unsuccessful at Forex what make him so sure he can deliver 1% daily return in crypto?

He sensed opportunity for some quick buck


DYOR




http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-reviews/387/www.jcls-forex.com?per-page=50&sort=rating


http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/jcls-forex-com-jordan-lindsey.1194/


http://www.tradebinaryoptionsrobot.com/blog-aggressive-gains-review-a-scam-by-jordan-lindsey


Skills

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanlindsey

Technical Analysis Currency FX trading Trading Trading Strategies Trading Systems BrokerageDerivatives Electronic TradingInvestment StrategiesFinancial MarketsFX OptionsEmerging MarketsHedgingForeign ExchangeEquitiesBloombergOptionsPortfolio ManagementAsset ManagementETFsAlternative InvestmentsHedge FundsBondsCapital MarketsInvestmentsFixed IncomeCommodityProprietary TradingEquity TradingEquity DerivativesInvestment BankingForeign Exchange (FX) OptionsFX Trading

I CREATED A TELEGRAM GROUP FOR CHAT WITH EACH OTHERS AS COMMUNITY.

https://t.me/BitcoinGrowthChat


ALSO YOU CAN REGISTER BY MY LINK. THANK YOU!!
https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#_register?mwr=5946-5075e26a

 hey guys another promising lending platform coming out in a couple days , some countries not allowed to buy though, looks interesting
Total Coin Supply: 26,000,000(BGG)
ICO Coin Supply: 7,800,000(BGG)
ICO Start Date: 26/11/2017
Term Length: 50 to 199 Days
Daily Interest: Up to 48% Monthly
Investment Type: Trading Bot
Status: Pre ICO starts at 00:00 UTC 26th Nov
https://goldgate.io/bggHGE39ijIIVmLZik

I write the review for Bitcoin Growth Bot, a brand new lending platform and here are some things I see about them:

They have registered the domain on Nov 03, 2017, they had only 20 days to build the system. They’re using privacy protection to protect their information so we can’t see their address. The founder is Jordan Lindsey, he is the president of JCL Capital.

They don’t use any DDoS protection services, I see they are using a server at DreamHost and I found out this domain: jcls-forex.com on their server. Then I found this article: https://www.valforex.com/2017/09/aggressive-returns-review-a-scam-by-jordan-lindsey.html if you can’t open that link, visit this link. He seems like a professional scammer.

The homepage, whitepaper and roadmap are fine but I don’t like their design style. A bad thing that I don’t see where is the dashboard. Bitcoin Growth Bot calls their coin is Nucleus (NCL), it’s a WAVES token. What? I will never trust WAVES tokens, many hedge funds created tokens based on WAVES platform to scam.

Total token supply is 24,000,000 NCL, and 9,000,000 NCL will available in the ICO. They will raise $9,000,000 in the ICO. I see they’re paying so much for the referral program, 20 tokens per referral, Youtube scammers are shilling it. Lending plans are pretty good.

I will give Bitcoin Growth Bot 1 star because the founder is a professional scammer and it’s a WAVES token, just stay away from it: http://www.lendingplatformreviews.com/bitcoin-growth-bot-lending-platform-review/

Thanks for the warning. And I was going to invest and saw your message. Thank you for not losing my money in this project)

Very interesting information. Thank you.

Calculated Returns

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm7_9AtRSSq5uNdhhnXAKAA

His Youtube channel



He comes across as one of these charlatans who sells courses, books, systems on how to make millions trading forex/stocks. Now he is about to make a move into a cryptospace, fresh meat


Many bad reviews online, pipe dream seller at best.

Atm he has nothing to show for it, his website he been set up in hurry in order to make a quick 2-3 mil in pre-sale

He should disclose his address, he is in US so it should be easy to find his whereabouts, it good to know just in case he decides to exit scam.



07.09. 2017 19:50  |  Lesa_Tebrox
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Another managed account service has been launched by Jordan Lindsey is Aggressive Gains. Allegedly, your monthly return will be around 30%. Draw downs can, however, be even up to 78%. Let\'s see what this is all about.

Review of Aggressive Gains by Jordan Lindsey
You\'re promised to achieve 2000% yearly returns just by using this service. Also, you can earn up to $100,000 within no time, just by investing $1,000. However, we didn\'t get to know how this service works - none strategy was explained. Results did show that Lindsey had some good trading weeks thanks to innocent Forex traders, but that\'s it. When it comes to us asking questions about the service and its possibilities, answers come right away; however, as soon as we question the track record and the actual success, no answers show up. Another thing we found out is that this service was hosted at Tallinex Forex broker and, unfortunately, we haven\'t heard many good things about this broker.

Customer complaints
We found out that there were 152 trades that ended bad in someone\'s account. Jordan, however, didn\'t talk about these losses anywhere.

Verifying customer feedback from Jordan Lindsey
Since there were many complaints, we decided to ask Jordan directly about all of the complaints. We were asked to prove that the complaints were real and as soon as we sent him screenshots, we stopped receiving emails from him.

Our final thought and opinion on Aggressive Gains
Jcls-forex.com is a website that seems to hide any relevant information and this website promoted Aggressive Gains. Therefore, we\'d like to inform you to stay away from both this website and Aggressive Gains.

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managed account service, Forex, Jordan Lindsey, Aggressive Gains

valforex.com and lendingplatformreviews.com are both the same.

Online marketers deceptive marketers who take advantage of people who are using legitimate services to bad mouth them and driving traffic to their site and promote the programs they are affiliated with.

If they cannot be a part of the affiliate they provide libel disinformation making services sound bad to bring traffic to convert their referral programs.

I mean look at lendingplatformreviews trying to bring traffic in to promote bitconnect? 5 starts for a pyramid?

You never know but seems to be the best thing we have seen in a long time. I am picking up tokens.

Join my team - http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-bd60d4d5 (http://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-bd60d4d5)

Firstable, anybody can be an affilaite as far as know unless there are some restrictions im not aware of so your argument goes out of window, referrals are 20 coins per sign up

GET 15 USD (20 TOKENS) WHEN YOU SIGN UP & VERIFY YOUR EMAIL


Even if you were right and reviewers are biased how do you explain so many complaints  on internet about his services, I have seen 5 star rating but they look fake as fk and written by Jordan himself or someone who works for him. I can see through bs, before crypto I was involved with trading stocks and forex and i have seen all this crap from people who sell you snake oil,secrets, signals, systems,courses, services and they usually drive your account to the ground but they still profit from brokers fees and other useless stuff that is supposed to make you rich.

If he was so successful in trading as he claims he was  and he invented crypto bot  that makes up to 1% daily then why would he need your money? He should have made so much by now, all he needed to do put that money in the bot and watch your BTC grow?

 "I traded stocks in the beginning of my career, then futures for two years, and now I focus my attention in the Forex markets. I have leased out my systems to equity firms who train their traders on my methods." ....and now lets try cryptocurrency ::)



Link to his website

http://www.jcls-forex.com/about/

I can't wait until this launches! Did you miss out on the this  ico ? or just sick of not getting any coins?

Here is the latest lending platorm ICO, very similiar to Hextra:


http://wake.unixcoin.com/register?referrer=cryptobengal

JL is still in process of hiring to fill all the key positions, he does not even have a team of trusted people which is essential for this type of business to succeed, what can possibly go wrong when you bring in bunch of strangers off the street and expect things to run smoothly?

Too many moving parts, too many potential points of failure and the fact he is based in US makes it worse, authorities can shut him down anytime as such HYIPs are considered ponzi schemes, frauds


Sooner or later Jordan Lindsey running ponzi in SF area will attract attention from gov agencies and law enforcement


 https://i.imgur.com/2m2So0c.png

Actually, you have it backwards. The 5 star reviews are genuine. Clearly written with sincerity. It is easily to see the writing style and language various greatly person to person which shows they are authentic while in comparison the negative 1 star reviews are short and clearly from competitors. Anyone looking for the truth can see it.

More importantly let me help see. The question you ask is why would anybody with a profitable algorithm share it? Insinuating is fake if it is shared. This shows short minded thinking.

How could you make more money: producing gains of high double to triple digit returns yearly or creating a token that you provide demand for that appreciates thousands time over in months and beyond that over years? You simply are limited in your thinking.

You have to think big.

Your calling something a ponzi while promoting bitconnect? You have no credibility.

The bot is real. The bot is transparent. You will be able to follow it in real time.

It will be released on January 4th as per the Road Map.

A glimpse into the prototype:

Here is the performance.
https://s17.postimg.org/8kr481db3/Screen_Shot_2017-11-24_at_7.54.27_PM.png (https://postimages.org/)

The draw down is so low it will be traded 5x higher for an 8-12% monthly return as stated in the whitepaper.

Take a look, https://s17.postimg.org/fnyzno5vz/Screen_Shot_2017-11-24_at_7.53.34_PM.png (https://postimages.org/)

Again look at these monthly gains which will be traded 5x higher,
https://s17.postimg.org/z5tn3mi9b/Screen_Shot_2017-11-24_at_7.53.44_PM.png (https://postimages.org/)

Algos are built using the lowest leverage possible and then you add in the leverage.

With a -1.8% draw down adding 5x leverage will still have the total draw down under 10% while monthly returns averaging 8-12% monthly.

Nucleus is going to moon.

And you are calling it a scam while promoting a known ponzi.

A legitimate project with transparency in a niche where it is lacking and needed and you knock it while promoting something that will be a black mark on the entire industry when it crashed. Get real.

The bot is real. Bitcoin Growth Bot is transparent. Nucleus is going to appreciate like crazy.

Two pages with 99% of posters all noobs with under 20 posts. I don't think anyone should invest until we have some real members in here analyzing this project, this is most likely a huge scam and I'm not talking about a Ponzi scam either.

Ponizs can be profitable if done right but  this man has no team, currently recruiting engineers and technical staff so there is every chance undercover gov agent will get in 8)





What about SEC, would they just turn the blind eye to someone collecting millions under their noses? This guy is known in trading industry running all sorts of schemes that promise high returns, shady character according to google


"The smartest way to launch a program is with a multi level marketing (mlm) affiliate program."


At least he is an honest scammer ;D

Bitcoin Growth Bot, found here: https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e is only and first lending platform where the CEO makes himself known and available for scrutiny. He has already done live interviews.  You can look him up on Linkedin and research his track record in related businesses. I personally verified his companies and place of business with the California Secretary of State.

I'm also doing an in-depth background check on the CEO and I will share this info with anyone that signs up using my referral link below.

Bitcoin Growth Bot is also the only lending platform where you can verify the trading activity of the bot.  The is the first real lending platform that is not a scam.

Sign up using the following referral link https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e and you will receive not only 20 NCL Nucleus Tokens for free from the platform but you will get an additional 10 NCL Nucleus Token from me for free as well. A total of 30 NCL Nucleus Tokens worth $22.50 USD for free.

This is the only link that can be used to receive the 10 additional NCL Nucleus Token bonus for free.

https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e
https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e
https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e

After signing up and verifying your email, just send an email to referralrefund10@gmail.com and you will receive instructions to get your additional 10 NCL tokens when available.

where smat contract addres
or where dekstop wallet if youre coin use POS coin, not token coin

dont waste your time getting refferal,, to be elegible your referral need to spend $100 in ICO to get your (20 NCL) ..lol what a gimmick,, they bait us for free sign up then they change their mind and changing the rule...

Yeah I wasn't happy about that either.

Bitcoin Growth Bot, found here: https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e is only and first lending platform where the CEO makes himself known and available for scrutiny. He has already done live interviews.  You can look him up on Linkedin and research his track record in related businesses. I personally verified his companies and place of business with the California Secretary of State.

I'm also doing an in-depth background check on the CEO and I will share this info with anyone that signs up using my referral link below.

Bitcoin Growth Bot is also the only lending platform where you can verify the trading activity of the bot.  The is the first real lending platform that is not a scam.

Sign up using the following referral link https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e and you will receive not only 20 NCL Nucleus Tokens for free from the platform but you will get an additional 10 NCL Nucleus Token from me for free as well. A total of 30 NCL Nucleus Tokens worth $22.50 USD for free.

This is the only link that can be used to receive the 10 additional NCL Nucleus Token bonus for free.

https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e
https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e
https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e

After signing up and verifying your email, just send an email to referralrefund10@gmail.com and you will receive instructions to get your additional 10 NCL tokens when available.

Now he wants to get at least $ 100 to get payments for referrals.
Do not fall for it.
He needs to show the direction in which he can go along with his scam project.

I think this is about right. The system needs to make sure it has enough to pay for bounties. If it will become as big as one would think. It needs to allocate a huge amount to last for as long as possible.

Selling information you dig online is a pretty cheap way of getting referral links. I believe in putting the information out first and then if people think you did a good job they will happily sign under you. This is completely against the idea of openness and transparency of the blockchain. Thumbs down.

Calling a project a scam before you even know what it is and how it works says more about you than it says about the project itself.

Very nicely put borislavtzvetkov. I make your words mine and I thank the creator for the opportunity myself.

Thanks for the detective work didi-man. So far I have nothing bad to say about Jordan Lindsey. But I am still not 100% convinced about the transparency aspect of this project.
The main concern for me is not who is behind BitConnect or Regal coin or Ethconnect. The real question is who is holding the private keys to the trading bot's address?
Why not create a smart contract on Ethereum where we can all see where the money for the ICO is going. I understand very clearly how all these platforms work and I can tell it is no rocket science. But I do believe in being 100% transparent and just having a decentralized exchange when you conduct your ICO is not enough.

Here are some of my suggestions:
- Use Ethereum smart contracts to hold the ICO funds so we can all see where they are going.
- Create a website on blockstack or running on Ethereum for the trading bot. This way the website can't be shut down.
- The person/people that puts the site up should be able to sign their public address on the site and also outside the site so we can see who is behind it.
- We should be able to confirm and see all the tokens we lend to the bot going to a wallet which should be controlled by a smart contract.
- I don't really care if the bot is trading with us (this is how I think bitconnect functions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HviRDE_wPI0) and if it is we should be able to see it is fully automated. I am not asking to see the code of the bot. Because I believe if people see the code they will try to game the system and the system will stop working because no one will be actually lending to the bot. It's a catch 22 problem here.
- On the ICO, why not make it that the pre-sale coins go to a smart contract that automatically get loaned to the bot. The system needs a head start and the people that are getting the coins for cheapest should be the ones making the head start. That is the "price" they would have to pay for the system to work and for getting the cheapest coins.
- Let's all discuss how this system could work under this thread. Let's make it truly an open system.

I still have many more ideas, but I would like Jordan to participate in the conversation openly and here. I still believe the pre-sale is a bit too rushed. If you really need all that money to start the project Jordan, why don't we all just create a multi sig. bitconnect/bitcoin wallet and use that to fund the beginning of this project.

There is only one thing that really captivated me about this project, and this was this one phrase on the website:
"If you live in the Bay Area and are a highly capable, genuinely good, and friendly please apply for the open position below you are qualified for."

Call me naive, but I truly believe people are first and far most good by nature. I would be more than happily participate and help in this project. Not because I can get cheap coins and become rich (even though that is a nice incentive) But because I truly believe decentralization and blockchain technology are the only thing that can help humanity move away from the sad state of affairs we live in. And I will do anything in my power to make that happen.

If it is just another lending platform with nothing new to the arena I might as well stick to the good old BitConnect. I understand people want to diversify but it is just like any other project. If you are not offering any real innovation, there is little incentive for people to participate in it. Of course you also want a to be as redundant  and resilient as possible. This way it is hard for any government or central power to shut you down.

Thanks for the information, but to comment on the design style of the whitepaper and roadmap!!!???? Come on. This is your personal taste and the design choices the creator made have zero influence on the credibility of the project.

Instead of writing what he has not done yet. Why not offer your help to build this system with him. Just post some ideas and solutions to what you consider a problem. It is as simple as that.

First he received my data and the conditions for referrals, and now he puts out new conditions with a payment of 100 usd. Is this normal? Is not it cheating?
And I do not advise anyone to contact a person who changes his conditions every day.

Moving the goalposts is not on, he seems in to be in rush changing things on the fly. Improvising.

The fact he does not have dev team yet is not good enough, he should have organised the team  before starting anything, at this point is just an idea in his head and somehow he invented the bot that is consistent in making profits or so he claims.Holy grail

His website domain registered for 1 year, doesn't he think this business will be around longer than that


Why waves platform, ERC20 tokens are way to go. He probably watched youtube video where you can make wave token in 2 minutes and he liked it




How about law and taxes? I dont think US gov will let people run ponzi and avoid paying taxes on fat profits?

What are the chances of gov closing his biz down and investors lose all money?  better to move down south just to be safe

A company that does not allow us citizens, residents or entities to participate, is not operating or incorporated in the USA and you are worried about the US gov shutting it down? That doesn't even make sense.

From the site:

The company is not operating from within the USA and is incorporated elsewhere. We are very sorry the people of the USA are not able to participate. We love Americans and America. It is the laws of the country that prohibit the people from participating.

All US citizens are required to pay taxes on all income earned. Why are you worried about that?

Dear Bitcointalk community,

This is my project, I believe in it and I am here to make it work. I am delighted to participate in the conversation openly here and share in your help and ideas.

Let me clarify a couple of things to get going.

1. It is incredibly difficult to develop a profitable automated algorithm. I've done it. One hundred percent yearly returns is not going to make me wealthy. Using it to create constant demand for a token that appreciates with those returns can make me and a lot of other people wealthy.

 2. I apologize that those within the USA cannot be included in the crowdsale. I am not hiding behind anonymity because I think those doing that are going to hurt the industry in the long run. My intention was to create this under my California corporation and since have had to incorporate overseas and make sure to not operate within the USA which means excluding U.S. citizens, residents and entities. The SEC has no reach or jurisdiction this way. As a US citizen am required like all others citizens to pay tax on all income earned.

So we are clear steps have been taken to protect the project and make this a non-issue.

3. Everyone is a critic and believes they have better ideas from a far. Please I am open, offer your input and advice in a helpful way that can help make this project a success.

This is my project and my thread and I am here to discuss this openly.

Im glad you are transparent about it, not afraid of scrutiny, we lack that in cryptosphere



 Obviously this are early stages and it is work in progress, since you are open to suggestions ,  here are some:

*many of us agree you should drop Waves and do it on Ethereum blockchain, ERC20 tokens. People are more familiar with Ether and im sure there are other reasons, technical people can chime in. Waves have bad rep and not as smart as Eth

*redesign website, make it look and feel professional,  functional/login/backend etc

*do not start pumping it yet till  you recruit all the right people and pre-sale is over

* try to move ICO earlier if possible/ as well as exchange listing (Feb/March seems  too far away)

Yeah, transparency clearly means extra scrutiny which is in the end will be worth it and good for all, most especially the space. Doesn't mean it is easy, but it is right and needed.

Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it. I am just going to absorb for a bit here, listening, open to everything, and work on building this the best way to completion.

I vote for no 2 option ;D

Option #2

Purchase as many tokens as you are able in the presale under free market conditions.

Bonuses are as orginally listed:

   0 - 1 million tokens 0.55 (25% bonus) = price of 0.41 USD

   1 - 2 million tokens 0.65 (20% bonus) = price of 0.52 USD

   2 - 3 million tokens 0.75 (15% bonus) = price of 0.64 USD

The pre-sale is an open market with no limits on decentralized exchange. Pure supply and demand.

Purchase methods accepted: BTC, LTC, ETH, WAVES, USD, EUR





Nothing beats the free market BUT you have to stop promoting it to avoid UCOIN cash scenario.

Maybe close new signups and we will buy all tokes available.  3 million tokens isn't much when we have so many hungry investors here.

Shut it down pls, no new members

Wondering how many registered users do you have so far, excluding ghost accounts? If you have more than 1000 then you will be ok, Credence coin had only 1000 investors and they sold 2.2 m tokens.

If you really have something to offer you should postpone the ico. If you are open to suggestions make this a community project.
Let us all share ideas and build the lending platform together. This will build the trust we don't have in all the other projects.

The email you send us today was something that drove me away from your ico.
You asked us to send btc to a random adress and reply to a "no-reply" email adress with tx-code.
That seemed very unprofessional and overhasty.

If you can build trust you don't need to hurry.

I'm not selling anything. I'm giving something for FREE which I spent a lot of time an effort to compile, some of which I had to pay for.  If anyone is interested in signing up with this program (as I am) then why not sign up where you can get the most value. I'm willing to share my research regarding the responsible parties so if by some chance the platform turns out to be a scam, at least those that signed up under my referral link https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e will have enough information on the scammer(s) to pursue the matter legally. Not to mention, signing up with me will yield you 50% more FREE NCL tokens than if you sign up elsewhere.

I lack the eloquence and skills of a Youtuber or a blogger, I have no other means to bring value to the table to incentivize others to sign up under my referral link and I have invested money and time to bring that value to you for FREE. So stop hating and click on the link below to get the most value and efficiency out of what you are going to do anyway if you intend to use their platform.

Personally, I would not endorse Bitcoin Growth Bot if I did not think it was legit.

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I am not sure how that would work. It seems it would a full time job trying to organize everyone in itself.
Have you seen this type of community project work anywhere else? I would like to look into that more.
As well as if you have any expanded ideas on what that would look like.

https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/?mwr=5946-41e8f17e

I signed up, how do I see my token?

It's all good. Not hating in any way. I was just expressing my opinion, that I'm not a big fan of this approach but to each his own. Did not mean to upset anyone.

We would definitely need to use something like github, Asana or maybe even try https://aragon.one/ for the project management aspect. I've been using Asana for a few years now, and I think it is an amazing tool for collaborative project management.

I know Aragon is on its alpha phase so I'm not really sure how usable it is. I will try to dload it and play with it. Maybe it can be used.

Since the project is yours, you should probably have the final say (at least in the beginning, maybe we can later implement a liquid democracy type system to develop the project further), but we as a community can come up with different suggestions and discuss them openly and you can use that information to make an informed decision about how to proceed.

I agree that it is very easy to give opinions from outside and just criticize the work of others, but I think we all here want the system to function as best as it can. After all, we will all have a stake in this system.

At this moment it seems that there are a few concerns regarding the ICO.

1 - Is the ICO being too rushed?
2 - Should the token be an ERC20 token?
3 - Should the ICO happen through a smart contract instead of Waves?
4 - I'm sure solidity developers and others would love to work on this project and get paid in NCL tokens alone, that being said, isn't it better to build the platform first and then go for the ICO?

In my opinion, the most important aspect of the ICO is for the platform to get enough tokens sold so the trading bot can start bringing daily returns. This way more people will want to join in and purchase NCL and more value the token will have. Classic Bitconnect style.

Thoughts?

On the other hand I was very excited to get the mail. The first thing every sane person will do is check the authenticity of the mail, which is not very difficult. I compared it to the previous mails I received from BGB and also checked the reply address which was tokensale@bitcoingrowthbot.io I didnt find any thing unprofessional in it. The options of $100 & $500 are also very correct. He could have given offer of higher limit like $1000 or even more and people would have been more than happy to grab it. There were ICOs in the recent days (ethconnect) where the Team shown was of stolen identity, fake address etc., still the frenzied people lapped it closing the sale in few minutes/seconds. Come on, I think we all live in a house of glass. Every man is nude in his bed-room. If this person has a 100% Genuine product which he claims he has, only GOD can stop him from fulfilling his vision.

Its very good that he is open to suggestions but that does not mean that he should respond to all sorts of suggestions. I see a fair deal of honesty in his responses. Its good to know that he has vast experience of positives as well as negatives. I am sending him BTC for 500 tokens and I wish him all the very best in his this dream project. Regards to all.

Coins must be given regardless of whether a participant or not participates, otherwise this is a good and good scam. People who have taken the time to advertise your project must be rewarded even if they do not participate in pre-sale !!

and as a proof of that advertisement, generate sales from their referrals !!!  :D

Is it too late to switch to ERC20 since some people already purchased Waves tokens



Jordan needs some assistance, can we see bot in action at least so we can build team around it

If I understand correctly the waves tokens haven't even been created yet. I suppose Jordan could still create the waves tokens and use them as a reference to swap to ERC20 tokens later.

It would probably be a pain to do all that, but maybe it would be worth it. Another option is to simply not create the waves tokens and just go directly to ERC20 tokens.

It would probably take a bit longer to achieve but I suppose it would be worth the wait. The platform would be able to take advantage of smart contracts and it would also support the Ethereum network.

These are just thoughts though, it might be moving away too much from the original plan. After all, this is suppose to be the Bitcoin Growth Bot and not the Ethereum Growth Bot.

Which come to think of it... maybe it would not be a bad idea to have both:)

i noticed that there is already a NCL token https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nucleustokens/ (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nucleustokens/) from sept 2016???

also I am mix reviews of jordan belfort i mean jordan Lindsey ;D

The crowdsale terms allow for a possible migration of tokens to another protocol such as ERC-20 if needed. In which case replacement tokens would be generated on the new protocol if doing so is necessary or useful to the operation of the ecosystem.

I am open to that if it is needed and useful for building a better platform.


After all, we will all have a stake in this system.

Any ideas that we come up with here that I believe will benefit the project will be polled in front of those who have participated in the project. Since they have interest it is best and fair.

1 - Is the ICO being too rushed?

The ICO can be pushed back if those who have participated believe it to be in the best interest. I am happy to have those who have reserved tokens as they have real interest in the project.

2 - Should the token be an ERC20 token?

If it could benefit the project I am all for it. I do need details on how and why

3 - Should the ICO happen through a smart contract instead of Waves?

I believe if ideas/points 1 & 2 are adapted then absolutely.

4 - I'm sure solidity developers and others would love to work on this project and get paid in NCL tokens alone, that being said, isn't it better to build the platform first and then go for the ICO?

The token value of the ICO would definitely be higher and it would see greater adaption. I very much like that idea. It needs to be polled in front of those with interest (holding tokens). I can do that this week.

In my opinion, the most important aspect of the ICO is for the platform to get enough tokens sold so the trading bot can start bringing daily returns. This way more people will want to join in and purchase NCL and more value the token will have. Classic Bitconnect style.

The pre-sale will raise enough to fund the bot with profits from the bot going towards purchasing NCL creating DEMAND for the token aside from outside interest. This is key for appreciation.

Thank you for the all of the interest and insight.

didi-man, cicnos - please keep going with me and I am happy to work with you.



 

I have no doubt demand for Nucleus coin will skyrocket  with this CEO as long there is a functioning platform.


Polling on ERC20 Vs Waves is pointless, everyone is for ERC20. Just create ERC20 tokens, i haven't heard anyone flavouring Waves apart from its so easy to create token



Do you really need 7-8 people in a team, i m thinking all other platforms have maybe 2-4 people max, you wanna as fewer people as possible, too many moving parts leads to failures.

Do devs have to physically be in SF area, can you work with people from around the world? Yes i guess but its risky



IMO this type of project is best run with trusted group of people you have known for a while, employing 10 random strangers can lead to disasters, any of these guys can potentially  steal coins, btc, algos, personal data and run off starting his own biz.



I like the fact that avg returns a re about 10% monthly, very conservative but extends lifespan of a platform












 

there is also nucleus token here wayback 2016. is it related to you?

I think the Crowd sale should be pre-phoned. Looking to the running crazy trend, the Pre-ICO will be a huge sell out within minutes of its opening on 1st Dec. That will provide more than enough time and resources for pre-phoning the Roadmap.  The Crowd sale should be planned around Dec.15-17 and by that time Smart contract and ERC20 tokens can be readied. All the short-comings in website shall be rolled out before Dec.15th. too. BOT should be launched after the holidays, JAN 4TH. Lending program and listing on coin-exchanges in January.

People who have sent money thru e-mail communication, should get an immediate communication that they have been allotted these many tokens. I think they should be given a special bonus too just for being putting the trust when some youtubers were raising the red-flags (the BTC sent by them have also appreciated in value  since than by 15-20%). My Gut feeling is this is going to be a huge huge opportunity. Thanks and regards to all.

Hmmms! Exactly what I was thinking.

The user agreement is extremely pushing away from USA and yet, everything about this dude shows him residing inside USA! Seems strange, unless he plans to live in Japan during the launch ICO. lol

The site is a complete rip of BITCONNECT with only the text edited in what likely is photoshop.

. . . . On to the next . . . .

The COMPANY has to be outside of the United States. The SEC (Securities And Exchange Commission) does not extend its power beyond the United States. The guy that came up with the idea can live anywhere he wants. Please do your homework before posting none sense.

US citizens can't participate in ICO, can they buy coins later on exchange  and lend them to BTC growth bot?

That  explains 37K accounts :D,

This is not well thought out ico and road map


Another option is to get rid of Nucleus coin for now, why do you need a coin ?

 Run it as a standard  hyip(bitpetite, laser,usi tech) and maybe later on launch a coin, if you have a bot that averages 10% monthly  you will have many investors, conservative roi  for crypto but much better than any other form of investment.


-start a HYIP / investors simply  deposit amount in BTC and they get avg  7-12% a month return in BTC  - this can be done almost immediately
-launch Nucleus ERC20 token ICO in March/April when you have everything figured out
- by April you will have already built a reputation, you can pre-sale  coins to existing investors first 50c a pop, then do an  iCO  $2-$4 to outsiders


Those who already purchased  Nucleus tokens can have their accounts credited  with $100 or $250 ,


no worrying about whales buying big chinks of tokens :)



Ofc this option assumes BOT is REAL  and it is making 7-12% roi as claimed in WP

Here:
Contract Address:
0x33803EdF44A71B9579f54cd429B53B06c0EeAb83
Decimals:
8

Please make this ANN thread more specific, no one will interested in this boring thread. You should make it look better to make ico success.

nice projcect , hope will succesful in the future
Best of luck Dev

One good thing is that this sale is going to be different. We all know that the web-sites are unable to handle the sudden surge of customer traffic at the time of sale. But here the sale is going to happen on the WAVE exchange and we will have not have to bother on sending money to the given address and all the tensions of getting confirmation or refunds etc. Just load your WAVES account and you are ready to go. I guess all the pre-sale tokens will be sold on the first day DEC.1st itself. That will give enough time and resource to Jordan to move speedily with launching his BOT at the earliest. I hope and guess the main ICO may get pre-phoned to 4th Jan. New Year New Light.

Nothing wrong with using a service to build on top of it. Of course we still don't know if Jordan can deliver or not. But if he scams us all, at least we know who did it:)

Sure, let's not accuse people just because it is easy to create a 5 dollar token on a platform though. If you have any actual prove he is a scammer few free to state your facts, but shouting the guy is a scammer because anyone can create a token in the wave's platform is a bit overboard.

Thanks for letting us all know that it is very easy to create a token in the wave's platform, that is good to know. Besides that, there is enough noise on the internet as it is for people to just accuse other people out of nothing. Let's not waste each others times with empty accusations

Thanks

Yea its easy to create waves token but it doesn't mean its a scam but it is easy way to scam people without much technical knowledge

Is ERC20 token creation much harder?

That is definitely true did-man. Definitely ERC 20 tokens require a little bit more knowledge. But nothing out of the extraordinary either. Specially when you use these types of services https://coinlaunch.market/ . You can literally create a new coin and launch an ICO in minutes.

I guess this is a blessing and a curse at the same time. It is extremely easy to scam people but if you have a good idea and you can present it well it is up to people to decide if they want to invest or not. I liked a few things that Jordan posted on the site, I liked the choice of words he chose and that is about it. I put in $500 bucks because I am willing to pay $500 to see his hand. Maybe he is bluffing and that was my loss, or maybe he is really not bluffing and we both win.

But it is my decision and it should be my responsibility to do the research and try to figure out the risk. No one is going to hold anyone's hand in this space. Read a lot, learn how to do your own research and learn how to think for yourself. This is the whole point of decentralization. There is no nanny state to take care of any body here.

Ok. Each company has a different strategy. I point out my point. I respect your opinion. I will study more projects

This man has come here and shouting as if he is blowing some whistle. He feels that he is unfolding a great secret which nobody here is aware about. His intentions may not be malicious, but its obvious that he does not have any proof of his accusation other than the simplicity factor.

I wonder how people reach to any conclusions so fast. Like many others, I too have a gut feeling that Jordan is here with a clear vision, honest intentions and a sound product. He does not show us the 45% monthly unrealistic returns. He is honestly very clear in showing us what his Robot is capable of. No false projections/promises anywhere. People nowadays want to see top class flawless beautifully decorated website and mouth watering monthly returns in their lending program. See the UNIX co. Those fellows ran a HYIP last year with the same coin, disappeared with loads of public money, came back now with the SAME Coin and an highly attractive website and a juicy proposal, & LOL people are more than willing to forget their every sin KNOWINGLY. Greed ... Greed ... Greed .. rules over wisdom.

Shout as much as you can from roof top, I AM WITH JORDAN ON BGB. He can cheat us. But right now, I dont have any reason to accuse him.

I like the analogy of him coming here and shouting as if he is blowing some whistle.

His intentions are malicious.

Here is the note he sent me before posting, https://s18.postimg.org/k6ms3i2pl/Screen_Shot_2017-11-30_at_8.06.41_AM.png (https://postimg.org/image/vvqrrgto5/)


https://s18.postimg.org/k6ms3i2pl/Screen_Shot_2017-11-30_at_8.06.41_AM.png

Wow, this is very sad if true. Well, let us not waste time with noise. Time to focus on the ICO and potential incredible things to come! Good luck to us all.

No and if you don't know how you just get a fiverr gig, https://www.fiverr.com/erc20coins/build-an-erc20-or-23-token-on-eth-blockchain-fast-and-cheap


Nice work, do not give into terrorists!


Yes, it is time to focus on the project instead of this noise.

This guy omsai777 is a fraud. Bitcoingrowthbot.io showed the email where he tried to scam the project for 1 BTC


How do we get him banned for scamming?

This guy tried to scam me and I am responding, lol

But okay.

1. why not he have any user back office in his website.

The Road map clearly shows the back end being opened up 1Q18, https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/#roadmap

2. why he taken advance payment upto $250 usd & many people send him already lot of funds to his below bitcoin id

As you are probably aware recently there have been some ICOs were it has been difficult to obtain tokens because of too much traffic, site blockage, available supply per round, etc.

Holding the presale on the Waves platform is going to alleviate a lot of the stress on the site itself which should make for a smooth presale. The problem is Waves DEX is a decentralized exchange. The DEX platform is the open market. The price always depends on supply and demand. If someone wants to buy with cheaper asset, then he will place any order. In other words there is no way to put a max purchase cap.

Allowing users to reserve a limited supply of up to 500 tokens was the best solution and the people interested in the project are happy with it.

Waves tokens are simple to create but ERC20 are not much harder either, if Jordan wanted to scam he could have created ERC20 and stayed anonymous? Its not like he wouldn't be able to sell 5m tokens $1 a coin with flashy website and convincing WP
These days people buy crappiest ICO with crappy grammar and fake pics of devs, fake address, you name it

Even though he run this business  as foreign entity and legally can do so  we still know his whereabouts and its not like people would be able to find him if he scams so many of us, so i dont think his intention is to swindle unless he has gorilla balls  but i have concerns about progress of this project.



How is recruitment of new staff progressing? You have been in Forex and stocks for a while, sure you must know some people who can work with you to get this off the ground

In regards to bot you said very very small amount is used  for testing and roi is about 3% monthly without leverage,  
if you ever traded you know that the bigger the order the harder is to get it filled at a good price , you may fill your  $1000 sell order easily but how about 100k or 1 m?
You  know leverage can magnify profits but it also magnifies losses, it is double edge sword


Even if  bot sucks and this is run as a pure Ponzi,  with right marketing this system  can last for years due to almost certain BTC  and coin appreciation

But because his claims are modest i believe he has bot but its  not as spectacular as other bots that make 40-48% a month

Waves tokens are simple to create but ERC20 are not much harder either, if Jordan wanted to scam he could have created ERC20 and stayed anonymous?

I am here and I am staying. My tokens are locked up for one year. I really and committed and invested and want to see my tokens greatly appreciate in value which means this project has to thrive.

My interest is seeing this project develop so that over the next year Nucleus is trading in triple digits. Real generational wealth can be created.

From there over the next 3-5 years some incredible can be created. Who knows what the next 10-20 years beyond could bring. Right now I am focused on the here and now and doing what needs to be done to see this project to fruition.

Even though he run this business  as foreign entity and legally can do so  we still know his whereabouts and its not like people would be able to find him if he scams so many of us, so i dont think his intention is to swindle unless he has gorilla balls  but i have concerns about progress of this project.

Again, I am here. This project already has enough support to see it through. Now it is only a question of how far and how fast.

How is recruitment of new staff progressing? You have been in Forex and stocks for a while, sure you must know some people who can work with you to get this off the ground

The pre-sale needs to raise the funds to begin hiring people. The timelines will progress quickly.

Funds from the pre-ICO are going towards building the platform, hiring talent, project costs, etc. And also towards launching the bot (which will be done as soon as the pre-sale closes ahead of  schedule).

1. The bot is going to be launched quicker than the expected Jan 4th date, but instead by mid December.
2. Creating a back end and redesigning the front is very easy and will be done quickly.
3. Going into the ICO with a verified working bot and back end is going to create a lot of attention.

In regards to bot you said very very small amount is used  for testing and roi is about 3% monthly without leverage, 
if you ever traded you know that the bigger the order the harder is to get it filled at a good price , you may fill your  $1000 sell order easily but how about 100k or 1 m?

At increased leverage (5x) the bot is trading 50 lots per $1 million traded which is still extremely small and light.
Any broker can easily fill 100 lots per trade. Past $2 million the options become to spread out among brokers. This needs to be done regardless for safety and diversity.

Between $50 - $100 million being traded we have direct access the interbank market.
Volume then becomes a non issue, over 5 trillion is traded daily.

You know leverage can magnify profits but it also magnifies losses, it is double edge sword

You go from a max loss of -1.8% to date to -9%. It is magnified within expectation as well as are the profits.

Even if  bot sucks and this is run as a pure Ponzi,  with right marketing this system  can last for years due to almost certain BTC  and coin appreciation

The bot is real, that is a non issue. Yes to what you said with other lending programs if they are a ponzi.

But because his claims are modest i believe he has bot but its  not as spectacular as other bots that make 40-48% a month

But we will be here tomorrow and the day after that and the day after that. The returns don't need to be spectacular for the model to work but only be real. And they are spectacular anyway :)

Thank you for good questions, thoughts and insight. I greatly appreciate constructive conversation toward helping make this project happen. Please everyone keep them coming.

Question bout the Waves platform. If I go right now and make buy (pre)order for Nucleus token for $0.65 equivalent of BTC (just to be sure because of volatility), it gets filled @ $0.55/token once you release those first 1 million tokens, right (given that BTC value doesn't drop like 20% over night)?

When bonus tokens are released?

Nucleus (NCL) orders are in BTC, ETH, LTC, Waves, USD and EUR. The price in USD to include the bonuses will look like this:

0 – 1 million tokens 0.55 USD (+25% bonus) = price of 0.41 USD
1 – 2 million tokens 0.65 USD (+20% bonus) = price of 0.52 USD
2 – 3 million tokens 0.75 USD (+15% bonus) = price of 0.64 USD

The easiest and best way to get filled will be to click on the ask orders once they appear at the start of the pre-sale on Dec 1st.
Once clicked the orders will auto fill correctly and only the amount of NCL you are purchasing will need to be adjusted.

I would place your order for 0.41 USD since the bonus tokens are included in the price.

BEWARE:
ANOTHER LENDING SCAM PLATFORM!!!

No Team, Staking on Wave Platform... Mmmm Yakov Fabrizio is Back    :o

All these websites including bitconnect, are plagiarize a ponzi schema..  so Bitconnect don't invent anything.. just copy to Madoff..

Can you convert BTC to USD on Waves?

Keep screaming from the roof top. This man thinks that he is unveiling some secret about WAVES platform. Poor fellow.

Heartiest Congratulations BITCOIN GROWTH BOT for accomplishing a major leap towards your vision. First Million tokens sold like Hot Cake in 6 minutes. It seems you have now saved 20 days of your envisaged Road-Map. Waiting for your next step - Launch of the BOT.

What happened suddenly to your English. It was flaw less in your previous write-ups. Are you the same person or were just copy-pasting in the previous posts?

1m in 6min??


When we gonna receive token we purchased before for $100/250?

Going to send out information today to everyone who purchased reserved tokens to get them to you right away.

Pre-sale still going very strong, huge success!

Time to keep moving forward and first task is issuing reserved tokens and then bonus tokens for sign ups and referrals.

Congrats and best of luck!

Still waiting on tokens from pre-sale email, whats the deal? Also, can we trade right away once receiving our tokens?

You need to send some form of ID to claim pre-ordered tokens.



I already did that but still havent received tokens



Presale finished? how many coins to go

I sent proof of residency. Still have not received payment either. We were told that we would receive them immediately after pre sale

Is the presale over, or why is it just showing me "Some orders will appear soon." on Waves for buy and ask?

 Due to regular maintenance, all $BTC pairs from Dex and BTC gateway are temporarily suspended for several hours.
https://twitter.com/wavesplatform?lang=en ..
http://support.wavesplatform.com/forums/1-general/topics/10990-due-to-regular-maintenance-all-btc-pairs-from-dex-and-btc-gateway-are-temporarily-suspended-for/

Trading in NCL/ETH is on and you can purchase by ETH. Or wait till BTC starts on WAVES. Many persons have sent their BTC to WAVES and are waiting it to start and show there.

Fyi.. the first million token were sold in just 6 minutes of sale. As per my knowledge the last lap of the second million of token was running when the BTC pairs trading was suddenly stopped by WAVES. So approx. 1.9 million tokens were sold till then. That leaves around 1.1 million tokens on the table, at that time.

SO WATCH OUT FOR WAVES TO START TRADING IN BTC OR BUY WITH ETH NOW (of course, if they are still available)

1. Pre-sale is still on due to WAVES platform BTC trading issue.
2. Humans need time to sleep also.

Jordan needs to hire a person to take care of social media and PR, it is a big project  to be handled by one man and 'humans need sleep' is not an excuse when you raising 2m in a few days 

Yes. That's 1000% correct but 'humans need time to sleep' is my opinion. It has nothing to do with Jordan's work pattern.

pre sale still have 20 days left . halfway through second round.
You buy the NCL tokens on the DEX which is slow AF right now upgrade happening
Free tokens will be given soon as far as i can make out.

The sale is up and running now for NCL/BTC on Waves. You can go ahead. Only approx. last 128 thousand coins of the second round are available. After that third round coins will be available of course at a higher rate.

How exactly do I know it's still available? I tried to buy it with WAVES itself right now, didn't work either. Seems to be quite hard atm to get your hands on NCL...

Actually its very very simple. My referral just bought from BTC. Just check the mistake you might be overlooking. Read the FAQ again if required. If you are purchasing with WAVES, click on the NCL sell order showing 0.11000000, move down to BUY NUCLEUS (NCL), fil the Nucleus (NCL) amount (how many NCL you require), Check whether u have sufficient WAVES in your account and then click on BUY. Move down and u can check the status of your order in MY ORDERS.

Follow instruction here

https://www.bitcoingrowthbot.io/faqs/

If you are using firefox quantum DEX is very slow like 20+ seconds for orders too appear plus theres upgrade going on.

thats why you get the "some orders will appear soon"

It took me over 1 hour just to buy some NCL yesterday

Try chrome much faster

Still awaiting on my tokens. Not a good way to treat early investors who believe and help this project. Starting to believe that we've been scammed.

You really scare me to invest now dude, I was just about to...

Yeah, I wouldn't invest if I were you. Stay away, pretty sure it's a scam. If I get my tokens I'll let everyone know.

http://[img][/img]I don't get it, what the hell am I doing wrong?
http://i66.tinypic.com/zo836c.jpg

Hi ...
1. Can you please check your mail and inform how many days has passed since you received this mail - "Greetings, we are ready to send you your reserve tokens and sign up bonus as well as any referral tokens you have earned. As soon as you send a passport or gov't id to confirm you are not from the USA or Singapore we will send the Nucleus (NCL) tokens to your Waves address you provided."

2. How many days has passed since you sent your ID proof?

Update, I have received my tokens, but I'm still gonna consider this a scam after doing more research, right now there is no product, nor a team to develop anything yet, and anyone can easily create a token using waves platform. Next time ill be sure to do more research before investing. I dumped my coins for a loss, just to not have to worry about it. Good luck to you guys, hopefully I am wrong for your sake.

Is that you Jordan? Lol, all your posts are from this thread promoting it, you're not fooling anyone. I truly hope you fulfill your promises and are not out to scam anyone. But I will no longer be taking the risk, there are plenty of other lending platforms out there that are up and running and already have a full team behind them. Good luck to everyone, I'm out.

My full sympathy with your intelligence

Haha you can throw insults all you want. But we both know the truth. Enjoy your scam while it lasts, karma will get you in the end.

I don't get it, what the hell am I doing wrong? I always get: "Order has not been created"!
http://i66.tinypic.com/zo836c.jpg

You simply need enough Waves (0.003) to cover the transaction fee.

I have more than enough waves to cover the fee, check it out: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vpHmJ8xbejbIsqfnC_UWLCZnKNQmowbd/view?usp=sharing

You are right, strange. Write a ticket to Waves support, http://support.wavesplatform.com/

They responded normally within ten minutes and will help you solve this.

Looking at the picture you havent left 0.003 for the fee


you have 10.2999
your buy order is also 10.2999

Should be 10.296 try that

There's toxic trolls all over these forums that aren't even worth your time. The ICO has run smoothly so far, outside of Waves maintenance ::)

I switched to ETH and it worked flawlessly. I truly believe in this project, hope you're not disappointing us!

Yeah i agree THE NCL showed up when they should. i think DEX maintenance on ICO launch days didn't help, still ongoing from what i can tell. Plus loads of airdrops on DEX and people still getting used to it. I find it complicated at times and i used exchanges for years. I think good project good luck and hopefully well be reaping rewards in 2018!!!

I too have received my purchased tokens as well as the referral bonus tokens too. All my referrals have received their tokens too. I dont think there was any delay in it rather I appreciate the fact that I received them even when the pre-sale is still running. I try to help as much as I can to those whom I think I can help. I have started loving this project as I always listen to my inner voice. But every mind has its own level and perception and thats the way they are designed. Like in every graph, this one too will be going thru and making its waves of ups and downs in its journey to the moon. Every success has a long list of trollsters following it. So thats absolutely normal. Wishing Jordan and all the people WITH the project, a speedy and mind-blowing success.

How did  you receive bonus to0kens? IM still waiting i had 3 referrals and received nothing yet. Did they automatically come through to DEX?

Your referrals must have at least bought in with 100 USD

Sorry for this newb questions, but how can one see if you have received your token? As far as i'm concerned, I got them right after purchase?

ok not sure if my referalls spent that much but where are MY 20 bonus tokens then for buying 500 NCL?
DID you get yours automatically on DEX?

So...
I was among the first ones to apply for the limited offer, a 200 NCL + bonus. The 25th of Nov
I sent BTC to the deposit address, E-mailed them the details, Tx id & Waves wallet address as required
Looks like people already received their NCL, while I didn't receive the tokens nor the BTC refund! Without mentioning the referrals...

Please I don't need to hear all the "you got scammed...blablabla" I'm aware of the risks
The reason I'm posting this:
1. For other people to see; if this is NOT just a mistake or delay I consider this a red flag for what's coming next "and I admit I gambled and lost"
2. If they're still processing the payments & I have just to wait a little bit more, I want the dev to respond to this message here, and clarify the situation

First, those that had reserved tokens prior to the sale have been receiving their reserved tokens, sign up bonuses and any referral bonuses.

It takes a little while to confirm tx id and process transactions. Everyone so far who has sent in their tx id and Waves address has been credited.

After all of those who have reserved tokens are clear I will move onto the the sign up and referral bonuses for everyone else.

Those were not to be distributed until after the close of the pre-sale which is currently going on. Please be patient.

Literally hundreds upon hundreds of payments were processed yesterday. This morning there is another inbox full and will take another 9 hours to clear but yesterday everyone who had sent in their info had been processed by the time I went to sleep-

Email your info to Token Sale <tokensale@bitcoingrowthbot.io> and it will be processed right away. If you already have sent your info it is possible it got buried. Please resend it and I will take care of it for you. I appreciate it.

Ok so i emailed transaction ID over and screen shot of info.

I wasnt even aware this had to be done . where does it say that?

I think this needs a telegram group thats isn't just ANNOUNCEMENTS.

takes a long time to get answers...

I too think this needs a telegram group thats isn't just ANNOUNCEMENTS.

To be fair everyone has received answers within a very timely manner. It is simply not possible to expect to receive answers instantly but within 24 hours is very fair. I am sure you have been part of ICOs were you don't receive answers at all. This experience has been much different for everyone.

I am unable to monitor a telegram group. Any volunteers?

I love advice and tips from all of you because outside insight is beneficial to the project. Thank you

Problem solved within minutes after ID verification,
For some reason my secondary email provider never diverted emails from Bitcoingrowthbot to my main email! I never encountered such a thing before!

Total tokens received: The package I paid for + signup bonus + referral bonus
Hope that I've done my job now clearing up the confusion I created previously

I don't really get it, it's written nowhere that we need to send an email after we purchased NCL on Waves. Could you make a step-by-step tutorial what to do after buying NCL on Waves?

Thank you afrazium :)



If you purchased in the pre-sale on Waves DEX there is nothing else to do. If you purchases reserved tokens you have been emailed what to do.

Once the pre-sale is complete everyone will be notified on how to claim there sign up and referral bonuses.

Where are my free tokens?

Please read the thread. Bonus tokens are not distributed until the pre-sale closes.

I'm really sorry to bother you with this newbish question, but what exactly do you mean by "reserved tokens"? If I but orders on Wave before they were listed there?

reserved tokens were tokens that were sold even before the ones allocated to the Waves platform.

Here are the phases of the sale:

1) Reserved tokens. (You had to send BTC to an address and write an email to Jordan to receive these.)

2) Pre ICO tokens. (Started on Friday and are available on the Waves platform)

3) ICO tokens. Has not started yet.

All of this is written in the forum and in telegram so there is no excuse if you are a newbie or not. You have to do your homework and READ THE THREAD. Sorry to yell like this but people are not going to be repeating themselves forever. All the information is here, and if you want to invest in something you should read it all before you invest.

I want to thank Jordan for the great work so far.

I have received all my reserved tokens and also my referral bonus tokens.

I do understand it is a lot of work to go through all the emails and transaction ID's so do know we appreciate all the effort.

Looking forward for this part of the project to be done so we can really start having fun!

Same here! It is necessary for the project but I am ready to move forward to building the platform now!

Once the pre-sale is over the bot will be launched ahead of schedule. And then the back end completed.

With a real transparent trading bot and working back end the hype around Bitcoin Growth Bot and Nucleus is going to be massive!

We may have to cancel the ICO if Nucleus starts mooning to prevent having a ceiling of $3.60 on the price.

Enough funds have been raised already that this project will thrive.

Ha this is great news! Specially the part about preventing the ceiling of $3.60 on the price. Make it rain Nucleus trading bot:)

Perhaps we need to work as a team here and collectively buy out all of these resales so the remaining round 2 and round 3 tokens can be purchased.   Shouldn't be to difficult right? ...  :D 

Scrap ICO altogether, 3 m sold NCL is enough to get this going, low cap lending platform is way to go


Nucleus has the most realistic returns, kick start marketing campaign as soon as bot is ready

"bitcoingrowthbot.io receives about 4,305 unique visitors per day"


This is not bad considering its preico stage


Ii there a plan to rename the site to Nucleuscoin.io or something similar to avoid confusion, having 2 names weakens the brand. You can still call the bot bitcoin growth bot but now this is all about Nucleus coin.

Scrapping it altogether will also mean members from the US can then purchase these coins "legally" and promotion on social media will be much stronger as well.  Most of the YouTube channels from the US with large followings were shying away from promotions due to the SEC "guidance" on ICOs.  I'm sure most of them have purchased from DEX by still do not want to be in the spotlight until this ICO tag is off the token.  I see a steady increase in traffic and interest once this has been lifted.  Maybe its just me, what are your thoughts on that?

I agree completely. Wrote Waves support a ticket to see if Tokens can be burned in case the ICO is scrapped.

Yes, that is the right thing to do for the project and everyone who has participated. It will be great for long term value.

WOW .. WOW .. If that happens, it may well be a trend setter. No Lending platform concept has done that before.  JUST IMAGINE HOW VALUABLE THESE 3 MILLION PRE-SALE TOKENS ARE GOING TO BE. There will be no liquidity on the exchange. Only buyers, no sellers. I will lock my tokens at least for 1 year if not more.

Now this... is what I'm talking about. GREAT IDEA!

Actually Credence coin did it, stopped ICO half way through and burned remaining tokens which was great for early investors. Their only weakness is flyying under the radar, no referral links and non existent marketing. Hope Nucleus can learn from that


As far as US citizens are concerned they can legally buy after the ICO, when it hits exchanges?


Jordan, you should get in touch with these big youtubers so word can be spread, most big youtubers are from US so it was a bit tricky to promote this ICO

More than 3500 Telegram group members, are they legit members, that is a big group

Technically it isn’t illegal for US citizens to part take in ICOs but the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) issued guidance saying that US citizens can’t participate in ICOs however, there is not currently an official law. It’s just easier from a legal standpoint for companies to say no US residents are allowed, this prevents potential lawsuits in the future from the SEC, IRS or US residents.  The SEC considers some ICOs as securities, these are only allowed to be sold by licensed brokers in the United States, most ICO companies are not licensed brokers.  Another concern from a company stand point is being sued by a customer who loses funds because the company failed.  If a customer loses money and tries to sue they would have the backing of the SEC in some cases (given that the company does not exclude US residents).  As far as us residents purchasing on the exchange there is nothing holding them back from purchasing at any point since is anonymous more or less.  Plus the SEC would most likely not be to concerned with the small fish like residents who purchase these tokens or coins, but they would rather go after the companies who are selling them (theres more money to be made by the SEC that way).  Just remember if you purchase in the ICO and you’re a US resident and for some reason the company goes up in flames before launching (which it won’t) you have no legal leverage to recover any lost funds.

Great idea. Excellent point. Are there any other idea besides Nucleuscoin.io?

There we go, not a problem to burn the tokens that were going to be sold in the ICO. This is the way to go.


Yes, you can burn issued asset with full node.
Full Node
> Github https://github.com/wavesplatform/Waves/releases
> How to Install https://github.com/wavesplatform/Waves/wiki/How-to-install-Waves-node
> Config file https://github.com/wavesplatform/Waves/blob/master/waves-mainnet.conf
> Config file tutorial https://github.com/wavesplatform/Waves/wiki/Waves-Node-Configuration-File
API
> Node API - https://github.com/wavesplatform/Waves/wiki/Waves-Node-REST-API

Burn request - POST /assets/burn

curl -X POST --header 'Content-Type: application/json' --header 'Accept: application/json' -d '{ \
   "sender": "string", \
   "assetId": "string", \
   "quantity": 0, \
   "fee": 0 \
 }' 'http://127.0.0.1:6869/assets/burn'

Nucleuscoin.io would fit in with the other platforms naming conventions recently which is good and bad.  Bad because its not original and it may induce the idea that its just another same old type of lending platform, but on the other hand its good because its a familiar naming convention that lots of people will know.

Could always do something like Nucleusnet.io, Nucleushub.io  :-\ ...

The end of the year is coming. The ico launches and disappears. Investors need to be more careful.

I like coin or token better than those two options

As do I.  Just simply providing alternative options.

Just a few thoughts on .io vs .co  Most major email services are now sending email from or containing .co addresses directly to spam since its been around and used as a cheap domain alternative for quite a few years now.  This could definitely be a downfall especially for marketing reasons.  I read on a google article (I'll find the reference) that google classifies .io higher in search results than .co due to its recent high influx in being used with tech companies. 

Is Nucleus going to be a coin (have its own blockchain) or is it going to maintain its status as a token? Function on wave's blockchain? I guess the answer to this question will tell us its status :) I like .io better.

Still ultimately to be determined.

We will know that in the weeks ahead when the back end is being developed with the internal market and the lending functions if any migration needs to be made.

I will register both nucleustoken.io and nucleuscoin.io to be safe

How about NCL .... nclcoin.io or nclco.in or nclcoin.co or ncl.co.in or ncl.io

Hello there!

The airdrop is still available?

Yeah those look to the two best options by far. Smart getting both! Looking forward to this project as it seems to be the only one that's transparent and not a scam!

Lets just hope we don't get to see another Credence scenario, NCL CEO must have full control of NCL coins which are not sold to the public, you dont want one of your devs steal and dump as we have seen happened with Credence, i still think its just cover story, devs simply could not deliver.


WHat is the latest  on Nucleus, number of coins sold in pre-ico, ICO cancelled...?


Why did Jordan stop giving interviews on youtube, this coin needs more love and marketing to get anywhere

Agreed marketing is definitely important! Two announcements this week lets see what they end up being

Best plan forward right now is to first launch the bot and have it up and running being publicly viewed and third party tracked.

This will be one of the announcements (live leak!) and be done by Monday. The pre-sale will be finished by then and we should see a nice surge in NCL price.

Then do as many interviews as possible. The only tokens available to buy will be from Nucleus holders and price should really SURGE!

Excited for this one after being scammed on Elektra and Credence. Have confidence in you Jordan!

YEAH! Super hyped, really looking forward to some results!

Nice!!! Gametime!

Wow, this was fast! Amazing work!

AWESOME!!! Monday can't get here soon enough!  When will you lift the IP filtering so US residents can visit the site without VPNs?

If the ICO is canceled we can lift the IP filtering for USA and Singapore

Awesome .. Already the price has multiplied x2 in WAVES exchange and if the ICO is cancelled and IP filtering for USA and Singapore lifted, with mere announcement I expect the price to surge x5 and x10 in the New year 2018.

Is ICO officially cancelled?

Not yet!

WOOOOW this may have been the best/sketchyiest ICO i've taken part in all year.

Most def eithor going to be a 100 bagger or go to 0 out of the gates but right now all signs point to option A!!  - surprisingly
GLTA
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Received from you the letter with the requirement to provide a passport and buy a token at least $100 to receive the bonus. These conditions for the referral program and airdrop are clearly far-fetched, if not to say directly that look of deception.

First



now



What if someone has 50 referral?!

Moreover, they are now asked to personally purchase their tokens at $100 just to get into consideration. And send the passport. And then you may find that your passport did not come for some reason and bought tokens your own business. This is all extremely dishonest

Pre-sale of tokens started 1st Dec and its over now as all tokens in the pre-sale have been sold out.

if the minimum requirement conditions have been fulfilled, you will get 20 tokens for each referral.

This going to moon. Bitcoin growth bot will be active on monday. . .Great Jordan!

Will it be bigger than Bitconnect? If so can we expect the same growth as bitconnect? per coin 300$ + in a year?

Is it true that Jordan was a priest or he still is?

Either way i believe priest will be the last person to scam us, im bullish on NCL



What exchanges and when NCL will be listed on?

Do you realy sent your documents and $100 to take referal bonuses ??

The $100 equivalent of NCL tokens to be eligible for the bonus program has been listed since day one. To take issue it with it now is kinda strange.

If somebody wants to claim bonus or reserved tokens they have to show proof of identity. For KYC reasons we are required by law. If we issue tokens to those inside the USA (or Singapore) we risk the project because at that point the SEC has jurisdiction and they can decided the tokens are securities if they choose to do so. The only people who may not be happy with this are those are those that are within the United States.


If someone decided to purchase tokens on Waves DEX. It is a decentralized exchange that we have no control over. But directly issuing tokens to someone without proof of identity could possibly place the company in a situation I am not comfortable with.

You must send in your ID to claim your tokens.

That was always stated on the homepage and ofc you need any proof of id, do you think this is a browsergame?

Just under these conditions, there are oddities that are not well understood. The equivalent of $100 in tokens at the rate of ICO, or at the current rate of exchange you need to have? You need to send a scan of your passport for identification? To mail ? How do you know that it is a passport of the person who sent it to you? Would've been a simple tick "I am not a U.S. citizen", as is done at other projects. Also, you to mail to send Waves wallet, ID, team, Ref. link miles something else to make you understand whose data you sent?

...

Is there any plan to have this listed on Coinmarketcap now that the pre-sale is over and trading? Thanks!

The goal according to the Road map is to be listed on Coinmarketcap by February.

If we meet their required daily volume goal beforehand Nucleus (NCL) will be listed right away.

That would be great! Goals are meant to be met on or ahead of schedule!

Ty for answering! Looking forward to the 2nd update today!

All aboard the rocket ship!

Why you ignore this post? Can you answer detaily?

I signed up for airdrop very soon and now I can not log in to my airdrop account for $ 20. I forgot my password, the site notifies the email address is invalid. There are signs of scam in this project

The website seems to be intelligent enough to filter out all scam smellers :-D :-* ;)

This is what is called Master Stroke. Only 3 million tokens issued in the Pre-sale will be in circulation. This means that more than 85% of total tokens will be with the management and those tokens are locked for 1 year.

This also means IP filtering for USA and SINGAPORE is removed now as the only way to buy NCL now is on Waves exchange without any sort of white list registration with BGB.

Countdown of TRADING BOT has started and it will be launched in about 3 days. I am eager for the launching of the BOT. It never happened before. This Trading Bot will be different, a REAL one, publicly viewed and third party tracked. That will be the beginning of of NCL's journey to moon. #Moonrise

All this is bound to trigger a SURGE in the price of NCL Tokens with only an extremely extremely limited supply of tokens (only tokens available to buy will be from NCL holders), out of only 3 million tokens sold in the pre-sale.

Now let your mind roam free on the possibilities of NCL price in 1 year. xxxxtimes .. its already x5 times ... $2.5 .. 0.00017000 .. very soon, by the end of this month it will be x20 i.e $10 ... those looking for big xxxxtimes profits can buy now & those happy with small x5 profits can sell now.

Cancellation of ICO was the best  move so far, it created value instantly, Small supply plus full blown marketing and Nucleus will see the moon very soon, add third party bot  verification and we have  a winner

How can we be sure management coins will be locked for 1 year?

When will NCL be listed on other exchanges other than DEX?

How can we be sure management coins will be locked for 1 year?

That is the agreement I made during the crowdsale. Believe me after one year I am not going to be in a rush to sell. Of course at that time, and I expect Nucleus is trading at triple digits, some profits will be taken which is entirely normal for any venture. It is in my every interest to keep the demand high.

When will NCL be listed on other exchanges other than DEX?

The first goal is coinmarektcap before other exchanges. Once the daily volume requirement is met Nucleus will be submitted. Then an internal market exchange is a top priority. Beyond that once Nucleus is trading with volume and gaining a solid reputation as the first transparent lending program we can list elsewhere with ease.

Wow this thing is a sleeping giant - 100 bagger forsure
DO NOT SELL your presale coins!! the less in circulation the more we can run the price up ! 10$ by XMAS Cheers
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Is interest in USD or BTC?

If its in USD then getting 9% a month is not that good, hodling get you more than that.



It should be around 9% in BTC, why bot cant make profits in BTC? As far as bot is concerned it just buys low and sells high, its just numbers to the bot


We gave you BTC, bot will trade BTC/USD pair i imagine so i see no reason why  distribute  interest in btc

I hope admin will answer me sometimes...

Sorry to say this, but you're ridiculous. Everything is answered, just let it go and get your **** together.

yes this ICO is going to be an interesting one to watch, it seems to be a lot more transparent than other lending type initial coin offerings , and the burning of the coins was unexpected, unlike a lot of other lender programs issuing extra coins,

You should be able to file a request shortly. I believe it’s traded at a positive integer which fulfills the non zero requirement correct?  We need to get this beyond the waves platform because the trade volume on this platform is slightly embarrassing. Not NCL but the traffic and volume in general on this platform.

While I see your point can you honestly imagine trying to nail down a 9% btc interest rate?  That’s a fluctuation of hundreds of USD per second or minute and would be impossible to sustain. BTC viotility is the reason there are zero platforms that will issue a payout and a btc percentage. Give it 15-20 year once the last BTC are mined and the value can level out, then absolutely you can ask for a specific percentage of btc.

What Im saying is that returns must be made more attractive than simply hodling BTC


Bitcoin has gone up 1500% since Jan and expectation is it will perform well in future, 10% a month/120% a year in FIAT isn't going to, even advertised top rate of 360%  cant beat holding bitcoin


That has been a reason why people refuse to lend, they could easily pay us with profits of our deposited btc and still make so much themselves



Lending coin which gives us reasonable returns in BTC will be  next big thing,


Bot can trade any pair BTC/ETH/LTC, prices on this pairs are as volatile, volume is not an issue


Interest paid in any of the blue chip currencies would be more appealing than USD, maybe Jordan can give us options of bein paid in BTC/ETH/LTC/USD

There is nothing out there that’s paying more than BTC gains. You can’t even argue against it, sure it would be nice to hold a stock or coin that competes. Your best bet is Bitconnect, it bounces along with the vitality of BTC but you’re not going to find anything to pay near that amount. Legend coin is yet another Bitconnect, I’ve got my coins but it’s nothing different. At least with Nucleus he knows for sustainability he can pay less and make it last forever.  It’s smarter to make say 5% a month for life than 20% for 9 months. I’ll take 5-12% a month for the rest of my life over a 48% per month for 4 months like bitpetite. 

I applaud you both for having a civil conversation with the intent of adding value to the project and I thank you for that. It is important to me to interact with people exactly like you both and I greatly value your opinion.

My core thought is that 5% a month is a simply phenomenal return that will attract a ton of investment. 9% is extraordinary. These type of returns will extract huge capital.

You cannot compare this lending platform to those guaranteeing 25-35% monthly. You simply do not know if they will be there tomorrow and although the party is great while it lasts one morning you will wake up and it will be gone.

Is it possible to pay interest in BTC as opposed to USD? Maybe. I will look into the possibilities plus pros and cons.

Is Waves going to update the Token on there DEX? Instead of having to put in the contract address. That may be turning people off from investing if they cannot find the token easily.

Awesome point!  I’ve caught myself complaining mentally about that almost daily haha. That’s definitely a deal breaker for a lot of people.

Lending program - invest in USD (Conversion of NCL or BTC) .. @ 7-12% monthly returns (accrued daily) ... You will receive your CAPITAL BACK (again USD Converted to NCL or BTC) upon investment term completion, is not at all an attractive proposal for me as there are lot many many far more legitimate attractive proposals always available to people in crypto world (I think it may attract people who dont like Bitcoin or have no knowledge about Bitcoin and want to invest USD thru bank transfer/visa/master card etc.). I dont see myself lending and referring in this proposal.

However - invest with NCL .. @ 7-12% monthly returns (accrued daily) ... You will receive your NCL back upon investment term completion, will be far more attractive and a different proposal altogether. Still 7-12% will not be easy to refer.

I think the issue may be solved with New Waves platform launching next week! Looks really beautiful :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQut5WajcVY&feature=youtu.be

Yes, eventually we will only need to type the name instead of using the identifier code. Currently, the process of verification is done by the Waves team. I think it is a question of volume. By the time we qualify for coinmarketcap we should also be set for Waves DEX. When filling out all of the information for coinmarketcap I will also submit it to Waves to give them a little nudge.

It is a bit annoying having to use the identifier code. I will be much happier when we could just type the name. Those who went through the process of having to copy and paste that code and became early adopters will be the most rewarded. At the end of the day to access the bot people will need Nucleus. The demand will be there.

DEX exchange sucks anyway, please apply for conexchange listing, huge turn off for most people+it is hard job to pump NCL when you have to type identifier every time you wanna check prices.



Bot starts tomorrow, WHat does it mean for NCL holders? We give coins to the bot and bot makes us money? At what price coin will be valued,prices on DEX have huge spreads

Someone has already passed the identification and received their referral? Sent the passport? How quickly did you answer? All accrued, what is necessary?

Yes, I’ve sent mine and received my NCL. It took a few hours to get an email back but it worked. I sent passport and blocked out all information other than my name.

Same thing here. Posted my doc with all the info edited out except name and country. All good.

Thanks for responsing, it helps to understand for me. Where you entered your name before sending documents?

Didn't really entered the name anywhere. But I imagine it is necessary in case Jordan needs to provide the documents to some authority to prove he did not sell tokens to US citizens.

Bitcoin Growth Bot is getting ready for the big day as we launch the trading bot tomorrow. Huge step forward for transparency in the lending sector and currencies as a whole!

Also processing all needed NCL bounty transactions that are waiting.

Jordon,

Will the bot be visible tomorrow or will that feature be unlocked with the rest of the website?

The bot will be visible tomorrow to be tracked in real time by everyone!

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FYI -

First, a big congratulations to Waves-NG​ upgrade, Waves hitting $10 and everything else that you guys have pulled off in the past few days. I am greatly looking for forward to the smart contracts in 2018!

I understand assets need to be verified by the Waves team. This is in regard to:

Nucleus (NCL) with identifier code: C7kLesHCnqhDSNNgTuCiiMGr3qaEX1oGAXiJ8gTqzyku
​
Is there any information I could provide to help the process. For example all of the information coinmarketcap requests for listing.

There is decent daily volume which is growing but many people feel having to paste the identifier code twice in order to pull up the token instead of typing the name is a turn off.

Please let me know if there is anything I could provide to help the process along.

Thank you

Support Agent 5 minutes ago
Hello.

At the moment we do not accept requests for verification.

The verification procedure is changing, and we'll announce it as soon as it's finalized

Thank you for understanding.

Perfect,  this is going to be exciting.  Thank you!

 yes , great communication, makes all investors feel more at ease, and yes interesting to see how it all comes together this week, wishing everyone great success in this project as this moves along into a new and Potentially explosive year of growth 2018

Thanks to all, I receaved my tokent today

Here we go ladies and gents, hold on to your hats!

https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nucleus/bitcoin-growth-bot/2358348

Woo trading bot is live!

There is already a token with same name and symbol of NCL. Why are you using the same name?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1499612.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1607774.0

How do we know that the tokens trading on the waves platform are tokens purchased in the pre-ico and not tokens being held by Jordan? Not trying to throw any distrust out there, just would like some kind of confirmation that these are indeed tokens purchased during the token sale.

Both of those tokens are long dead what are you talking about...

There WAS a token over a year ago that failed.  No reason not to use the same name, really other than people who go digging.  Even if you google NCL token or NCL or NCL coin it brings up 99% Norwegian Cruise Line...

As of right now you can visit this link:

http://dev.pywaves.org/assets/C7kLesHCnqhDSNNgTuCiiMGr3qaEX1oGAXiJ8gTqzyku     

<-------- C7kLesHCnqhDSNNgTuCiiMGr3qaEX1oGAXiJ8gTqzyku the end of the URL is the identifier that you need to enter to find the NCL on the Waves Platform.

So there are a few things to look at here...

1.  The amount of coins/tokens in the first wallet shown is 33% of the total 24,000,000 which is what was being set aside as stated by Jordan and on the website.

2.  Once the January ICO coins are burned we should also see on the same page the total drop from 24 million to around 19 million.

3.  You can see wallet number 3 --- 3PJp9GDNZWWQgcVF72kd76y2bQvXR551woR this is the wallet containing the ICO tokens that were to be sold in January after the pre ICO.

4.  I see my current holdings listed and my wallet address on this account as well.

I am ready to burn the tokens. I have the Waves needed to run a full node to do this. Installing and setting up the node is going to require some time and research. i have begun researching it and there is a lot to learn.

What does it mean when you say the bot is live, where can we see it trade?


When we gonna see NCL on other exchanges, in all honesty DEX sucks, spreads are size of a football field, difficult to use. We not gonna see much growth unless its on better user friendlier exchange

Click on the performance graph on the website and it will take you to a third party website verifying the performance. It updates in real time every five minutes.

Waves DEX sucks? It just hit a billion dollar market cap and is the fastest exchange. The volume of Nucleus has nothing to do with the exchange. Waves is set to compete with Ethereum in the near future when it releases it's smart contracts. Except Waves is decentralized and we all know who are behind Ethereum.

My coins are locked up for a year. So I am in a rush to make this a success correctly, not by next week.

Marketing when the lending program is open is way more effective. That will bring huge volume. NCL will be listed on coinmarketcap and Waves.

Early adopters will reap the biggest reward.

But those interested in a pump and dump are in the wrong project.

This is to build a legacy.

At the moment there is a gap of atleast 8 weeks between now and when the lending program is scheduled. Any gap without any activity will be detrimental. Marketing can start after the lending starts but what till then. For the sustenance of buoyancy and interest of people, there has to be day to day activity. Telegram official chat can be one of them. Releasing official youtube videos periodically can be another one. LIVE sessions every now and then are very healthy too. Its important that the price on DEX is always at a healthy and buoyant level. I dont think the price will maintain if this gap of 8 weeks is not filled.

Returns of 8-10% is very good in general terms. I agree that will be a huge investment opportunity for people who are not in crypto.

I am unable to understand the maths. Lets take an example. I lend 1000 NCL (@ rate of $1.5) of value $1500. After 180 days my $1500 grows to $2500. At that time NCL rate is $40 and hence I will be paid back 62.5 NCL. So I have in my hand $2500. Now, had I just kept and hold on to the 1000 NCL, it would fetch me $40000. Even If I hold on to $1500 worth of BTC, it will give me far far more attractive returns. The price of BTC when I purchased 500 NCL on 25th Nov. was $8300 and it doubled since then. Leave alone, the daily flow of various legitimate transparent and also lucrative, ICO opportunities. Now why will anyone in crypto like the 8-10% returns in lending. Agreed that 8-10% for people who are not in crypto is lucrative.

I would like to understand this. Am I missing something.

Total sum of profit booking sale orders below 0.00020000, on WAVES, is just 4.13 BTC. THAT SHOWS THE LIMITED NUMBER OF SUPPLY. Golden opportunity for those who missed the sale or those who want to increase their holding. My analysis says NCL will be above $6 around the time its lending program is launched. And there seems to be a huge possibility that the lending program may roll out around middle of the next month.

I see exactly what you are saying about holding the coins vs lending.  This is the same across all platforms if you thing about it.  Take bitconnect for example, if you invested 5k worth of BTC back in october that would be worth right around 15-16k right now.  Sure holding it would have been the best thing to do however most people to include myself did not just hold btc but rather bough bitconnect coin.  And to say BCC and BTC move in value with each other is a joke really,  buying 5k worth of BCC back in October is not the same monetary value now at BTC.  This is how lending platforms can afford to pay out your daily, weekly and monthly profits, you give them 1 BTC worth 5k, 6 months later you get your 5k back and they hold whatever the value of 1 BTC is.  They are all the same with the exception of bitcoin growth bot.  Bitconnects market locks down after big investors try to sell off, anything over 10% price fluctuation in the market will lock it up.  10% really isnt that difficult to do if one of the big youtubers decides to exit the platform.  Bitconnect can also not afford to pay out 1% forever, think about it, after a 10k initial investment and 2 years later people are going to be making millions and millions and millions a day?  It sounds great but its not sustainable, even if it was, one daily cashout would lock the market down for trading.   At least here its more sustainable due to lower interest rates, even if the bot was garbage (which we can actually see now so we know its not) but for arguments sake the lower daily interest rate itself would allow the company to outlast its competitor by double.  If company A pays 1% daily and company B pays 0.5%, assuming they pull in the same profit margins and customers, company B will last longer.

It makes little sense to lend coins at cheap price, HODLing BTC and NCL will yield better returns


10% a month in USD isnt much, buyin gand holding btc beats that and you dont rely on bot which might stop performing.



5-10% a month in BTC is more appealing(remove compounding burdens the system), you not going to have many investors lend you coin at such a low fiat rate. By now everyone invested in lending coins knows how it all works

For me, lending make sense ONLY if I get back exactly the same number of NCL which I lend for x no. of days + additional profit on them for locking my tokens for those days. Thats 100% pure business sense and 100% reasonable and ethical too. I dont know whether that is sustainable or not. But I know that there is nothing unreasonable in it. 

Price dropped to pre-ico level, people seem to be happy to get their money back while no new buyers willing to buy, not a good sign something needs to be done to lift this coin, hype is non existent atm


I can list a few factors which are keeping the price down

-non functioning webiste, big factor, members should be able to log in
-dex exchange(not many people like using it), manual copy/paste of ncl identifier  required,(coinexchange should solve the problem, it is popular choice for lending coins)
-no youtubers creating buzz

The daily price fluctuations are irrelevant. We are happy to see those who want to take profits and get out sell. But we are not going to hit their asks but rather let them sell lower so we can buy cheaper. Once the early profit takers are gone and those interested in the project and holding price is going to climb.

We are sticking to the plan and timeline.

My coins are locked up for a year. So I am in a rush to make this a success correctly, not by next week.

Marketing when the lending program is open is way more effective. That will bring huge volume. NCL will be listed on coinmarketcap and Waves.

Early adopters will reap the biggest reward.

But those interested in a pump and dump are in the wrong project.

Once again the conversation is greatly appreciated. Every comment and insight is read and taking into consideration. At the end of the day we are building a platform with a sound business model.

Let me respond to some of the thoughts shared to help bring perspective.

When you lend you get interest and your USD capital back at the end of the term. To lend you will first need to purchase Nucleus token and then convert it within the platform to USD to lend to the bot. You receive the amount in USD back that you lent at the end of the term.


You could choose to hold your Nucleus token in order for it to appreciate and do not lend it out to the bot in exchange for interest.
Members holding Nucleus for appreciation and members lending to the bot for interest both serve the purpose of the project.
Limiting supply (holders) and creating demand (lenders).




With BCC this has been mostly true. Holding BCC as opposed to lending it out would have the better return. I hope the same is true for Nucleus, this is the model we are emulating - only with a transparent bot.

You cannot say the same for Bitcoin. There have been multiple period when holding Bitcoin yielded negative monthly returns for extended period of time.

Bitcoin traded from $1,100 (Dec 2013) to $232 (Nov 2015). A prolonged period of consistent negative returns month over month. And it will happen again with certainty.


People with big money would love 7-12% returns monthly. Because it is extraordinarily difficult to find. Crypto's are violatle. And when you have money are you looking to protect it not takes changes. People with money love 7-12% yearly returns.

I have said from the beginning that I believe the greatest value will come from holding Nucleus and token appreciation. Do it. But you cannot lend money to the bot, collect interest, and receive Nucleus back - because the bot is not trading Nucleus.

The price of Bitcoin has catapulted in the last few weeks but that is not normally nor should you expect it to continue or use it as a guide. I hope Bitcoin trades up to $25,000 in the near term but it could trade down to $8,500 just as easily.

Great reply. Highly appreciated. Every communication that I see from Jordan, increases my love and confidence in him & this project.

100% agree here. Daily fluctuations are irrelevant on the long term. If you have been into crypto long enough you know that if the project has legs, it will run. There will always be weak hands.

Guys who can tell me how to take tokens for referrals step by step? I have 5 referrals, but i dont know where i can take airdrop.Thank you!

Ok so questions:

1.) Have you purchased at least $100 USD worth of NCL Tokens?


If the answer to number 1 is no you must purchase at least 100 USD.
If the answer to number 1 is yes, then good step one is complete.

2.) Have your referrals purchased at least $100 worth of tokens?

If your answer to number 2 is no, you will receive zero (0) tokens.  Referrals must purchase a minimum of $100 USD for you to receive your 20 token bonus.

If the answer to number 2 is yes, your referral bonuses were issued after verification.  An email was sent to all participants who had referrals asking them to verify their identity.  Once verified the tokens were sent to your wallet.

3.)  If you did not receive the email, I would sent an email to tokensale@bitcoingrowthbot.io.

I do not work for Bitcoin Growth Bot, I'm just trying to assist where I can, if I can.

Jordan please comment if this is incorrect.

Hi guys are you tracking the 3 day's performance of the Bot. It's a REAL GENUINE Bot ... 5.13% in 3 days ... 1.68% daily average so far. The Bitcoin Growth Bot brings in real returns creating constant demand for Nucleus Coin (NCL) in turn causing the token to appreciate greatly in value. First transparent volatility trading bot with third party monitoring - https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nucleus/bitcoin-growth-bot/2358348. The Bot needs to be running and producing for a period of time for proof of concept... A transparent Bot that is proven to work, will be a game changer in lending platforms.

Thanks a lot!

Email: tokensale@bitcoingrowthbot.io

No. Though your attempt is laudable but your answer is not 100% correct.

1.) Have you purchased at least $100 USD worth of NCL Tokens?
The promotion offer offering FREE tokens was only for Pre-sale period. Everyone who signed-up during that period and the referrals who signed-up with their referral link are eligible for that offer of 20 FREE Tokens provided they purchased Minimum $100 worth of NCL during or before the pre-sale which was from Dec.1 and closed as soon as the designated quota of 3 million tokens were sold.

If you think that you are eligible, you have to write to tokensale@bitcoingrowthbot.io with all relevant details and wait for their reply asking for your ID proof.

I too do not work for BGB but I am sure of this reply.

Thanks and warm regards to all.

Whoops!  Good catch on that one thanks, I literally looked and read that information on the website to lol.  Just one of those days I suppose.  I think it's time for the weekend!  Thanks again for the correction.