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Title: Best Private Coin?
Post by: SatoshJr on November 27, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on November 27, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: LoyceV on November 27, 2017, 03:46:22 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero.
Blackbytes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2020882.0) doesn't have a richlist either. It's so private, it's not even traded at centralized exchanges.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: SatoshJr on November 27, 2017, 03:47:57 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.

Thanks,

What is a richlist?


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on November 27, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.


Thanks,

What is a richlist?

It's a list of the richest addresses.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: debuni on November 27, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
For me the best private coins is Pivx. Monero is also good but too expensive now.

Onion hype is forced from their developers in exchange for fake airdrop which is actually pure bounty campaign. If you check their topic, you will see just some pointless pictures and every bad is deleted because it is self-moderated topic.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Aces84 on November 27, 2017, 04:40:42 PM
Xzc zcoin


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: coinInvestX5 on November 27, 2017, 04:41:21 PM
For me the best private coins is Pivx. Monero is also good but too expensive now.

Onion hype is forced from their developers in exchange for fake airdrop which is actually pure bounty campaign. If you check their topic, you will see just some pointless pictures and every bad is deleted because it is self-moderated topic.

Sure, to some degree, you're right, regarding Deep Onion (pushing with the bounty campaign), but on the other side, imo, the coin is still pretty undervalued.

Just compare the market cap of PIVX and Deep Onion for example. ;)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: fredericos on November 27, 2017, 04:44:45 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.


That is correct, look up Sumokoin.

Also no richlist and and they have sub-addresses


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Checkmytokenbag on November 27, 2017, 05:40:50 PM
Monero and zcoin for me


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: coinsontheroad on November 27, 2017, 05:47:40 PM
I'm not sure if Mysterium ($MYST) would be classified as a privacy coin or privacy project, but it is one of my favorite out there. A decentralized VPN.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: HAARP on November 27, 2017, 05:52:57 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.


Thanks,

What is a richlist?

It's a list of the richest addresses.

Monero's transactions cannot be followed by people outside. I mean the transactions and transfers don't appear on the monero blockchain. That's why. My best privacy coin is Monero. And then maybe, zcash is fine. The rest, I don't really care for them.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Payne976 on November 27, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
Picked some up at $1 for a long term hodl. Didn't get too much so not going to follow it too much, will just check on it every now and again. I think things like Loopring have more potential.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: zabisux on November 27, 2017, 06:21:57 PM
I think monero is supposed to be the most private coin ever. Its transactions are nearly completely hidden. Zcash has nice features too, maybe even better than monero. These 2 are top dogs.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: davecrypto on November 27, 2017, 06:23:49 PM
I think Komodo (KMD) will also be a big player. ...right now it's XMR for sure.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Crypto4K on November 27, 2017, 06:27:39 PM
1 XMR
2 PIVX
3 KMD
4 XVG

problem with ZCASH is with the master keys of the genesisblock...


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: nakashu on November 27, 2017, 06:29:02 PM
Sumokoin by far the most private coin. cryptonote, mixin of 12 addresses since day one, sub-addresses.. bright future for this currency..


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: fredericos on November 27, 2017, 06:33:11 PM
Sumokoin by far the most private coin. cryptonote, mixin of 12 addresses since day one, sub-addresses.. bright future for this currency..

Congratulations for owning this coin this early, it might be the best investment of your life.


(100x incoming)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Transformbitz on November 27, 2017, 06:37:06 PM
Monero,Verge,PIVX, KOMODO this are my privacy coins and we can do transactions any time without address that bitcoin has. Fully anonymity and secured coin


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: nakashu on November 27, 2017, 06:41:52 PM
Sumokoin by far the most private coin. cryptonote, mixin of 12 addresses since day one, sub-addresses.. bright future for this currency..

Congratulations for owning this coin this early, it might be the best investment of your life.


(100x incoming)

hope so :) it has all it takes to be successful..


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: eminemcookie on November 27, 2017, 06:46:33 PM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

Monero is leaps and bounds ahead of the others, DO to my mind won't really amount to anything, it is really overhyped by the community because of the airdrops that they receive.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Gabteb on November 27, 2017, 06:53:22 PM
what about DeepOANION i see they have very big community and everyday everywhere see news about that coin is there anyone who use it as i know they have some new features.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: coinInvestX5 on November 27, 2017, 06:59:25 PM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

Monero is leaps and bounds ahead of the others, DO to my mind won't really amount to anything, it is really overhyped by the community because of the airdrops that they receive.

Overhyped? Lol, please compare market cap of Monero with market cap of DO. I doubt DO is overhyped, instead it's undervalued. Will go up and first movers will make win as always and the ones who join the party too late will be disappointed. ;) Great time to join now.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: jingyang on November 27, 2017, 07:09:20 PM
what makes a project special is the purpose of the project for example: basic attention token, shift , siacoin, minexcoin


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: JW9494 on November 27, 2017, 07:44:13 PM
It's funny because privacy coins are very popular.
Pivx, Verge, Nav, Monero, Sumokoin, Ubiq, Zec, XZC, ZCoin, Dash..
But you can look up studies from MIT & other very high ranking
schools with tons of research monies & very capable computer science professors. Every one said that even the most elusive coin can be tracked, at some point. For the guy that buys illegal whatever with _____, coin using Tor the entire time, you're identity can be tracked. For as much as some of these private ciubs are meant to keep transactions anonymous, they sure fall short, for me, at least.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: keyscore44 on November 27, 2017, 07:55:24 PM
I am looking at Monero from time to time and i could say that this coin is one of the most confident private which could hit some ath in near future.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: rowenta01 on November 27, 2017, 08:04:45 PM
find out about Zcoin and Zencash. The two most promising crypto anonymous! I do not want to argue, there is too much bullshit on this forum, just analyze and do your own research ..


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: tuiputui on November 27, 2017, 08:50:57 PM
None, Zencash


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: kim-yon on November 27, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
I think Zcash. It is the most professional company. The team is very good quality. There has been no problem for a year.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: rolxen0201 on November 27, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
Sumokoin is the future of private coins!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: deztroyr1 on November 27, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.

DeepOnion doesn't have a richlist either. It's currently possible to make an educated guess about people's onions because of the airdrops.
As soon as the airdrops are over, nobody will have a clue


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: cryptonomicon25 on November 27, 2017, 09:23:03 PM
I believe Monero is the king of the private cryptocurrencies and is already being used the most. It also has as strong community and many people support it. Either way, private cryptocurrencies will be ones to grow in 2018 since they fulfill a need that Bitcoin lacks.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: HSCrew on November 27, 2017, 10:03:03 PM
Zencash is the best private coin. I am sure It will surpass Zcash and Monero in the future. I expect the price of Zencash to hit at least 200$ in 2018.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Crypto4K on November 27, 2017, 10:33:44 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.

DeepOnion doesn't have a richlist either. It's currently possible to make an educated guess about people's onions because of the airdrops.
As soon as the airdrops are over, nobody will have a clue

Where is DeepOnion traded and whats it symbol?


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: oturanbilboa on November 27, 2017, 10:39:40 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.

I agree, I think only coin that worth to mention here is Monero. I don't really understand how technical these anonymity works but trusted sources I read says it's pretty good to stay private. I haven't need to stay private yet, I use Monero only for monetary gains.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Febo on November 27, 2017, 10:44:12 PM
Sumokoin by far the most private coin. cryptonote, mixin of 12 addresses since day one, sub-addresses.. bright future for this currency..

Congratulations for owning this coin this early, it might be the best investment of your life.


(100x incoming)

2 years form now Sumo will be worth less then 5000 satoshi. Only 2 millions are mined so far. Emission is starting going up. 86 millions coins to go.
Monero and AEON have 15 millions coins mined right now and only 3 millions more will get added in next 5 years.  
This two supplies can not be compared. Choice should be easy. If SUMO will last till 2020 might be a good buy at way under 1000 satoshi.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Nuky1289 on November 27, 2017, 10:51:36 PM
according to Palm Beach Group, Zencash


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Cryptotina on November 27, 2017, 10:59:19 PM
Will go with PIVX and Monero. Monero


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Hichi on November 28, 2017, 11:32:03 AM
how did you miss Zcash? Have you never heard of it?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

your list doesn't include it and it's one of the best one's out there, probably the best solution to making networks and transactions private. Their solution compared to all the rest is much more advanced and their concepts are already applied to various other blockchains. There are even financial institutions that adopt their approach in order to offer customers privacy. It's really big and the core team has been doing very well developing that solutions. It perplexes me as to why Monero is valued higher than Zcash considering that the solution that the second option offers is much more advanced, I hope we are able to start talking about the concepts more openly and decide as to why a solution is better than another. Monero has just the good publicity which is what carries it along, but the solution that Zcash offers is by far superior.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: artmen007 on November 28, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
If we talk about who is better. I think the market is always more objective. And MONERO is not just on top. A huge community. Authority. Garnet it is used for that year.

But there are also other young and promising projects in my opinion.
DEEPONION a great community
scpectr the best private coin technology
verge it is also interesting to look

But the rest of the zcash for, PIVX, but they still have a lot but the first 3 I have singled out


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: fia_naila on November 28, 2017, 03:12:24 PM
The most anonymos coin is monero. You can not track the transaction. It will really vanish. Seriously monero is the best anonim coin in my sight. Deep union maybe will be the second and third is zcash. But zcash still need a lot of develiping. Monero has been created from 2014 and it is start to become mature coin. I am not monero guy or monero shill i just speak the fact.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Martin888 on December 16, 2017, 10:01:52 AM
Stealthcoin XST works with TOR

You can send coins by SMS

POS interest p.a. = 20% - nice additional bonus

https://www.stealthcoin.com/


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Bybox on December 16, 2017, 02:47:35 PM
The best anonymous cryptocurrency coin is Monero, Monero is truly private. This means it is truly fungible. Monero is community funded and developed unlike Zcash so it is not controlling by any legal entity. When you make an transaction with Monero, people cant see your transaction on the blockchain or your wallet amounts. Monero have a lot of features
Ring signatures - Hide the sender
RingCT - Hides the amounts being sent
Stealth addresses - Hides receiver
Kovri (coming soon) - Hides IP adress by realying over I2P network
Sub addresses (coming soon) - One time use address.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: gtsmmst on December 16, 2017, 02:52:15 PM
Pay some attention to zencash, which is mix of monero btc and dash  ;)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: orkoso on December 16, 2017, 02:54:22 PM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

What are you looking for?  Growth or just privacy? Monero is the most standard of those. The rest are "ALT-Privacy" coins.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: FreelaBit on December 16, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
Sumokoin
Monero
FreelaBit

All Cryptonote coins. No Richlist. Blockchain analysis protection.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trumper on December 16, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
The best anonymous coins are monero and pivx but I think sumokoin may be better than monero but it has a bad name  :( but that doesn't important it will be huge


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: FreelaBit on December 16, 2017, 03:23:01 PM
The best anonymous coins are monero and pivx but I think sumokoin may be better than monero but it has a bad name  :( but that doesn't important it will be huge
why it has a bad name?
for me if it delivers what is promised and beyond they can call themselves kitty kats, name is not relevant if technology is top.
Cryptocurrencies are here to disrupt the status quo.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Jibit on December 16, 2017, 03:26:10 PM
lol. why you said monero is a bad name. I think this name is good. dont see any bad things on this name. can you explain why?


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: FreelaBit on December 16, 2017, 03:27:07 PM
lol. why you said monero is a bad name. I think this name is good. dont see any bad things on this name. can you explain why?
he/she was referring to sumokoin..


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: cascano on December 16, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
DeepOnion is in my opinion one of the best anoncoins as it provides both anonimity for the users and their actions. Through integration over the tor network, which is well known and has been proven to work, DO has the chaneg to become the mass adopted anoncoin in 2018. ZCash and Monero don't offer this anonimity of it's users and therfore I think that DeepOnion will surge in 2018.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: sandy14350 on December 16, 2017, 03:29:15 PM
The best anonymous cryptocurrency coin are:-
1)Ring signatures
2)RingCT
3)Stealth addresses
4)Kovri  
5)Sub addresses


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: vovannovig2 on December 16, 2017, 04:12:48 PM
https://globalcoinreport.com/heres-why-now-might-be-a-good-time-to-pick-up-some-spectrecoin-xpsec/  (https://globalcoinreport.com/heres-why-now-might-be-a-good-time-to-pick-up-some-spectrecoin-xpsec/)
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Spectrecoin has had a tough start of the week. It’s down a little over 22% on the last 24 hours and sentiment looks set to push the coin (XSPEC) down further before the day draws to a close.

We’ve taken a look at the chart, however, and we think that current levels might be a nice opportunity to pick up a discounted exposure to a longer term reversal in XSPEC. Here is a look at what we are thinking and what we want to see going forward as confirmation of our expectations.

For those new to this one, Spectrecoin is one of a handful of privacy type coins that have hit the market over the last 12 months or so and it’s managed to build up a pretty healthy reputation among followers and a pretty strong community during the period subsequent to its initial offering (which took place back at the end of November last year).

During this time, the price of XSPEC has risen from $0.001 to $0.397 currently – a run of close to 40,000%. Talk about returns. Of course, much of this return is nominal given an arbitrary initial offering price but, at a glance, it serves to illustrate the general trajectory of the coin since offering.

And a look at the chart below, which shows action over the last 12 months, reinforces this trajectory outlook.



By way of quick introduction, these sorts of coins are designed to act in a similar fashion to assets like bitcoin in the sense that they are primarily value transfer coins but they are also designed to overcome some of the privacy concerns associated with those aforementioned assets. Specifically, Spectrecoin employs what are called stealth wallets, which allow pretty much complete anonymity as regards to balance and transaction volume for the wallet holders and, additionally, the protocol employs the Tor network so as to, again, completely anonymize the flow of coins into and out of particular wallets.

There are some others in this space that employ similar methods but Spectrecoin is the only one right now that incorporates Tor into its offerings which, for many, sets it aside from the pack.

So, why do we think this one is setting up for a turnaround?

Well, take a look at price action over the last 12 months you will see that current levels, in and around the $0.30-$0.40, are levels at which we have seen strong support on numerous occasions. The coin reversed from these levels back in October and ran up to close to $0.70 apiece. The same happened in September.

If historic action is to be relied upon, we could very easily see a reversal from the current price and a resumption towards the overarching upside momentum illustrated on the wider timeframe chart above.

Of course, we will probably need some sort of catalyst (a fundamental one, that is) to get things moving, so what are we looking at as potentially providing said catalyst?

Well, two things.

First, the company just announced that an updated version of its wallet, Version 1.4, will be available soon. We don’t have any solid time frames on this availability but, as and when it hits press, we are likely going to see a spike.

We are also looking for any listing announcements related to major exchanges, with one in particular, a listing on Altcoin.io, potentially hitting press near term. There are more than 1000 votes supportive of listing right now (the count is available here) and, so long as this number keeps rising, we should see the company’s token listed very near term.

We will be updating our subscribers as soon as we know more. For the latest updates on XSPEC, sign up below!

Image courtesy of Spectrecoin.


Just look! This is a fantastic project !!!


http://s018.radikal.ru/i525/1711/b9/745fc07c29af.png

http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1711/f2/9d2ae2b469fc.jpg

Here you can read - http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: LoyceV on December 18, 2017, 09:02:06 AM
The most anonymos coin is monero. You can not track the transaction.
You're wrong. I recently stumbled upon this article: Locating Monero Users via Transaction Broadcasts (https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/), it explains the difference between "anonymous" and "untraceable":
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Untraceable Transactions – The ability to send a transaction and not link the transaction to whom sent it or see where it’s going. You can have an untraceable transaction being transmitted from a known person though. It would be like me saying something to a crowd in a secret language that only you and I understood. Everyone can see who is saying it, but they have no idea what is being said or to whom.

Anonymous Transactions – The ability to broadcast a transaction to the network and the network cannot tell whom sent the transaction. This is the case with coins that transmit over Tor and I2P because the network only sees exit node ips and not the origin user’s ip. This technology allows you to transmit transactions to the network and no one will know who you are.
Monero is untraceable, but it's not anonymous.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: WalterK on December 18, 2017, 09:21:39 AM
True, Monero is NOT Anonymous!
XVG has a lot of potential, so does PIVX.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: HippiePyro on December 18, 2017, 09:52:57 AM
Spectrecoin is the smartest choice on your list. Their richlist only contains public balances, not stealth ones. They still have a low market cap, superior tech, absolute privacy and many unique features. Tor+OBFS4, low power staking,  ring signatures, stealth balances. Soon they will have a mobile app for cash remittance, true mobile staking, stealth staking and so much more. The new roadmap shows it all. And it's still only $1!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 18, 2017, 10:21:24 AM
The most anonymos coin is monero. You can not track the transaction.
You're wrong. I recently stumbled upon this article: Locating Monero Users via Transaction Broadcasts (https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/), it explains the difference between "anonymous" and "untraceable":
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Untraceable Transactions – The ability to send a transaction and not link the transaction to whom sent it or see where it’s going. You can have an untraceable transaction being transmitted from a known person though. It would be like me saying something to a crowd in a secret language that only you and I understood. Everyone can see who is saying it, but they have no idea what is being said or to whom.

Anonymous Transactions – The ability to broadcast a transaction to the network and the network cannot tell whom sent the transaction. This is the case with coins that transmit over Tor and I2P because the network only sees exit node ips and not the origin user’s ip. This technology allows you to transmit transactions to the network and no one will know who you are.
Monero is untraceable, but it's not anonymous.

Do you mind explaining what meaningful user information you can garner from a Monero tx? This is a rhetorical question--see: Monero Richlist.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Meth9275 on December 18, 2017, 10:35:06 AM
No doubt it's XSPEC, best technology with incredible roadmap


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: camaund on December 18, 2017, 10:53:16 AM
I would choose monero. However, XSPEC is looking quite nice, not only as an investment option but as security and anonymity.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Discounted on December 18, 2017, 10:59:19 AM
XSPEC is my number 1. It has a low market cap low supply and has the best technology. Get it while it's still 1,30$. This coin will make you rich in 2018 for sure.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Babber on December 18, 2017, 11:05:22 AM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

SpectreCoin (XSPEC) is the best in my view. I believe PoS is the future as opposed to PoW of Monero, besides, XSPEC's market cap is sooo much smaller than that of Monero, meaning that it is much more undervalued. Although this will change soon, I guess, as SpectreCoin is about to roll out some fancy updates like mobile staking, and so on... And the privacy features of XSPEC are also not any worse than those of Monero. New web design and marketing campaign is coming soon for SpectreCoin, so I wouldn't wait for long before investing in it.

http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin
You can buy it on Cryptopia or on LiveCoin.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 18, 2017, 11:37:34 AM
XSPEC is my number 1. It has a low market cap low supply and has the best technology. Get it while it's still 1,30$. This coin will make you rich in 2018 for sure.

This coin is your number 1? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Click "Richlist" and "Largest Wallets"

How the fuck do you make a richlist if it's private? Are you guys even trying to research? Or do you just assume devs are telling you the truth? Or maybe you don't have time to learn how cryptocurrencies work? Sorry I'm trolling you, but this is getting ridiculous--I'm not sure if you are stupid, ignorant, or think other people are dumber than you and will buy these shitcoins, so it doesn't matter--


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: RKh on December 18, 2017, 11:43:56 AM
XSPEC is my number 1. It has a low market cap low supply and has the best technology. Get it while it's still 1,30$. This coin will make you rich in 2018 for sure.

This coin is your number 1? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Click "Richlist" and "Largest Wallets"

How the fuck do you make a richlist if it's private? Are you guys even trying to research? Or do you just assume devs are telling you the truth? Or maybe you don't have time to learn how cryptocurrencies work? Sorry I'm trolling you, but this is getting ridiculous--I'm not sure if you are stupid, ignorant, or think other people are dumber than you and will buy these shitcoins, so it doesn't matter--

Generalizethis!

You're right, its kind of ridiculous.

Things you have mentioned are shown public addresses. Once v1.5 with default Stealth Addresses with Ring Sigs and Stealth Staking comes out - this point becomes not relevant anymore (Q1 2018)

Monero has done great job, thats why it deserves its Mcap and Recognition and King status

XSPEC is just 20 mills right now, give it some time



Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 18, 2017, 11:50:14 AM
XSPEC is my number 1. It has a low market cap low supply and has the best technology. Get it while it's still 1,30$. This coin will make you rich in 2018 for sure.

This coin is your number 1? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Click "Richlist" and "Largest Wallets"

How the fuck do you make a richlist if it's private? Are you guys even trying to research? Or do you just assume devs are telling you the truth? Or maybe you don't have time to learn how cryptocurrencies work? Sorry I'm trolling you, but this is getting ridiculous--I'm not sure if you are stupid, ignorant, or think other people are dumber than you and will buy these shitcoins, so it doesn't matter--

Generalizethis!

You're right, its kind of ridiculous.

Things you have mentioned are shown public addresses. Once v1.5 with default Stealth Addresses with Ring Sigs and Stealth Staking comes out - this point becomes not relevant anymore (Q1 2018)

Monero has done great job, thats why it deserves its Mcap and Recognition and King status

XSPEC is just 20 mills right now, give it some time




If the wallets are hiden (when that happens), how do you distribute staking claims? I'd ask the same question of coins who claim their wallets are anonymous, but plan on having airdrops.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: RKh on December 18, 2017, 12:16:42 PM
XSPEC is my number 1. It has a low market cap low supply and has the best technology. Get it while it's still 1,30$. This coin will make you rich in 2018 for sure.

This coin is your number 1? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Click "Richlist" and "Largest Wallets"

How the fuck do you make a richlist if it's private? Are you guys even trying to research? Or do you just assume devs are telling you the truth? Or maybe you don't have time to learn how cryptocurrencies work? Sorry I'm trolling you, but this is getting ridiculous--I'm not sure if you are stupid, ignorant, or think other people are dumber than you and will buy these shitcoins, so it doesn't matter--

Generalizethis!

You're right, its kind of ridiculous.

Things you have mentioned are shown public addresses. Once v1.5 with default Stealth Addresses with Ring Sigs and Stealth Staking comes out - this point becomes not relevant anymore (Q1 2018)

Monero has done great job, thats why it deserves its Mcap and Recognition and King status

XSPEC is just 20 mills right now, give it some time




If the wallets are hiden (when that happens), how do you distribute staking claims? I'd ask the same question of coins who claim their wallets are anonymous, but plan on having airdrops.


Thank you friend, for asking that!

Professional cryptographer and mathematician is currently ironing out this algorithm. It is only a part why this coin is unique.
As I told SpectreCoin is awesome(especially considering its laughable price). Its just as with any other euphoria, people don't know why is it "cool", they just say "cool", cause they been told so


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 18, 2017, 12:26:14 PM
XSPEC is my number 1. It has a low market cap low supply and has the best technology. Get it while it's still 1,30$. This coin will make you rich in 2018 for sure.

This coin is your number 1? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Click "Richlist" and "Largest Wallets"

How the fuck do you make a richlist if it's private? Are you guys even trying to research? Or do you just assume devs are telling you the truth? Or maybe you don't have time to learn how cryptocurrencies work? Sorry I'm trolling you, but this is getting ridiculous--I'm not sure if you are stupid, ignorant, or think other people are dumber than you and will buy these shitcoins, so it doesn't matter--

Generalizethis!

You're right, its kind of ridiculous.

Things you have mentioned are shown public addresses. Once v1.5 with default Stealth Addresses with Ring Sigs and Stealth Staking comes out - this point becomes not relevant anymore (Q1 2018)

Monero has done great job, thats why it deserves its Mcap and Recognition and King status

XSPEC is just 20 mills right now, give it some time




If the wallets are hiden (when that happens), how do you distribute staking claims? I'd ask the same question of coins who claim their wallets are anonymous, but plan on having airdrops.


Thank you friend, for asking that!

Professional cryptographer and mathematician is currently ironing out this algorithm. It is only a part why this coin is unique.
As I told SpectreCoin is awesome(especially considering its laughable price). Its just as with any other euphoria, people don't know why is it "cool", they just say "cool", cause they been told so

I'd prefer that it is opensourced and ironed out before making the claim, but at least you are being upfront. Is the cryptographer known? And if not, will any attempt be made to audit their claims before the code is implemented?


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: RKh on December 18, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
XSPEC is my number 1. It has a low market cap low supply and has the best technology. Get it while it's still 1,30$. This coin will make you rich in 2018 for sure.

This coin is your number 1? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Click "Richlist" and "Largest Wallets"

How the fuck do you make a richlist if it's private? Are you guys even trying to research? Or do you just assume devs are telling you the truth? Or maybe you don't have time to learn how cryptocurrencies work? Sorry I'm trolling you, but this is getting ridiculous--I'm not sure if you are stupid, ignorant, or think other people are dumber than you and will buy these shitcoins, so it doesn't matter--

Generalizethis!

You're right, its kind of ridiculous.

Things you have mentioned are shown public addresses. Once v1.5 with default Stealth Addresses with Ring Sigs and Stealth Staking comes out - this point becomes not relevant anymore (Q1 2018)

Monero has done great job, thats why it deserves its Mcap and Recognition and King status

XSPEC is just 20 mills right now, give it some time




If the wallets are hiden (when that happens), how do you distribute staking claims? I'd ask the same question of coins who claim their wallets are anonymous, but plan on having airdrops.


Thank you friend, for asking that!

Professional cryptographer and mathematician is currently ironing out this algorithm. It is only a part why this coin is unique.
As I told SpectreCoin is awesome(especially considering its laughable price). Its just as with any other euphoria, people don't know why is it "cool", they just say "cool", cause they been told so

I'd prefer that it is opensourced and ironed out before making the claim, but at least you are being upfront. Is the cryptographer known? And if not, will any attempt be made to audit their claims before the code is implemented?

Good suggestion, its up to them, but I think they will be interested to make the project more sound and legit.

They're not naming themselves for obvious reason (TOR + obfuscation and all that)
Cryptographer's nickname is @brycel he has 20+ years experience in this field (security and cryptography), before blockchain marketing term was even invented.

Project could deliver this faster, but the current team started working only from May/June 2017, while previous scammed away not knowing what and how to do things that were planned or visioned.

You can actually come to Slack and ask various questions yourself:
There is openness and transparency.
slack.spectreproject.io

@jbg @brycel

I only ask, cause I like the questions and they way you ask them. I'd like to hear answers myself.
You're welcome anytime


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: profit-shooter on December 18, 2017, 01:05:29 PM
No doubt XRP and XVG, these two will go very high in 2018


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: lolchina on December 18, 2017, 01:30:37 PM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 18, 2017, 01:38:01 PM
I own both Monero and XSPEC and from what I can tell XSPEC is the way you want to go for usable currency.  POS3 is really fast and energy efficient.
I use Monero for store because we all know that Monero is the next bitcoin.  
It's a shame that SPECTRECOIN cannot boast "no rich list."  That richlist was largely formed during the fork from Shadowcash when SPECTRECOIN hadn't implemented it's privacy features.  Now it has Ring Sigs with Tor integrated.  But that richlist will always there as an argument against it even though it's likely (though not provably) inaccurate since those privacy features have been implemented..  
I love Monero.  It's going to increase dramatically in value.
But I really love where XSPEC is going.  From what I've seen from both the community and the devs in the slack... I believe it will surpass Monero in function.  Also, it's still cheap.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 18, 2017, 01:40:35 PM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 18, 2017, 01:54:38 PM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 18, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.

At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness. 
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Noelnada on December 18, 2017, 08:02:17 PM
I think DeepOnion is easy to use, active developers, big community and entry price is still very low. I wouldn't choose anything else than DeepOnion, Verge or Monero which I think will all rise in value, I am planning to get some Verge at some point.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 18, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.

At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness. 
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: orkoso on December 18, 2017, 08:42:42 PM
Sumokoin by far the most private coin. cryptonote, mixin of 12 addresses since day one, sub-addresses.. bright future for this currency..
Why is sumocoin more private than others?

Oh, don´t forget electroneum!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: xPPx on December 18, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
I wouldn't consider the most private coin the BEST private coin. I'd consider a lesser known legit private coin that flies under the radar... Good luck!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: pr3m0nition on December 18, 2017, 08:59:55 PM
XSPEC,ONION,SUMO,XVG,XDN in that order!

Those are the cheap ones atleast. hopefully they can rise to a market cap of the larger monero's and dash's of the space.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Nelske123 on December 18, 2017, 09:01:32 PM
Onion's and SPECS!!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Stayn on December 18, 2017, 09:13:46 PM
A lot of people think NAV coin is hugely undervalued. Edward Snowden is backing up Monero I think or ZCash, it was one of the two.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: kristianbasdeo on December 18, 2017, 09:14:59 PM
Monero in terms of privacy is far away from others regardless btc


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: WinMar on December 18, 2017, 09:24:03 PM
I think Monero and Dash are two of the best.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: srqrebel on December 18, 2017, 09:33:10 PM
The privacy market is large enough to sustain an entire ecosystem of solid privacy coins.  And it's only going to get bigger as governments engage in ever more onerous spying and regulatory measures.  If a coin has good privacy and anonymity tech, and is well managed, it stands an excellent chance of going places.  John McAfee recently tweeted something to the same effect: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/941003398215761922

Spectrecoin is one such coin.  Its robust privacy technology includes native Tor integration for network privacy, to protect against surveillance, OBFS4 obfuscation protocol to facilitate undetected usage in Tor-blocked countries such as China and Iran, and ring signatures for transactional anonymity.  Version 2.0, due out Q1 2018, will make stealth transactions the default, thereby providing a more intuitive user experience (and rendering futile any further attempt to compile a rich list); and will introduce the first ever stealth staking feature in a cryptocurrency.

Spectrecoin's existing supply is a low 21 million coins, with an additional 5% per year added to the supply, paid out in generous staking rewards to those who keep their wallets open for staking.  This is why the groundbreaking stealth staking feature will be such a big deal when it debuts.

In addition to its Cryptopia and Livecoin listings, it will soon be featured on the anonymous, peer-to-peer BISQ exchange, starting with BISQ's upcoming software release.  This is a perfect partnership for a coin that is serious about supporting user privacy, and it is generating a lot of excitement in the XSPEC community.

In the rapidly evolving privacy currency ecosystem, XSPEC is uniquely positioned to be the go-to privacy coin for small remittances.  Right now, the price is still under $5, which makes it a bargain.

You can find out more about this hidden gem here: http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin
Join our vibrant and growing community on slack: http://slack.spectreproject.io/


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Criptomen@30 on December 18, 2017, 10:34:15 PM
They are saying that moneró is good in terms of privacy


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: srqrebel on December 18, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
They are saying that moneró is good in terms of privacy

No question about it.  Monero is a first rate privacy coin.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: DZRCoins on December 18, 2017, 11:40:19 PM
Monero is the best. Only Monero. Only XMR


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: realknow on December 19, 2017, 12:58:58 AM
I think monero is supposed to be the most private coin ever. Its transactions are nearly completely hidden. Zcash has nice features too, maybe even better than monero. These 2 are top dogs.
Yeah that's right, but ethereum also not bad of koin2 other even I think ethereum even far ebih good the Exchange rate in the next year.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 19, 2017, 01:23:36 AM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.

At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness. 
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: PEGASUS CRYPTOCURRENCY on December 19, 2017, 02:32:33 AM
OK... Best between...

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

SIMPLE...
They will all skyrocket to the MOON!

But...

PEGASUS is the BEST
https://www.pegasuscrypto.com/

This one has the power to skyrocket not only to the MOON...
but also to MARS, JUPITER, SATURN and beyond.

GENIAL and POWERFUL.
Why?
Because it is the only one that could not only change your Wallet but also your Life.

Easy choice. But good luck to buy them BEFORE they are all gone.
Possible to buy them using the smart contract address link on the website at this time.  Before the 2018, January 15th, ICO.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 19, 2017, 02:55:30 AM
OK... Best between...

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

SIMPLE...
They will all skyrocket to the MOON!

But...

PEGASUS is the BEST
https://www.pegasuscrypto.com/

This one has the power to skyrocket not only to the MOON...
but also to MARS, JUPITER, SATURN and beyond.

GENIAL and POWERFUL.
Why?
Because it is the only one that could not only change your Wallet but also your Life.

Easy choice. But good luck to buy them BEFORE they are all gone.
Possible to buy them using the smart contract address link on the website at this time.  Before the 2018, January 15th, ICO.


I'll check out pegasus, but first.  In a little more depth can you tell me why you're invested? 


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 19, 2017, 06:33:27 AM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.

At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness.  
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.

1 + 2  are irrelevant if the exploit doesn't matter. You should read my original reply--apparently you didn't understand what I was saying or don't understand what the article you linked was implying about how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy. Monero offers on-chain anonymity--it's not an exploit if you don't use it with TOR or I2p as your IP data isn't TX data. And if you live in a country where you need IP masking, you should already know that you need to use TOR or I2p with every coin and that it is trivial to implement.

As for your statements about me--please see ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem All I've said about you is that you don't know what you are talking about, which you seem intent on reproving ad nauseum.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Bittoshi on December 19, 2017, 07:01:26 AM
I can suggest Verge (XVG). It was rising fast in the past days, should be one of the top 30 cryptos now and even John McAfee suggests to invest in Verge:
https://cryptovest.com/news/john-mcafee-verge-xvg-is-the-best-buy-xvg-price-doubles-overnight/

Once Wraight protocall is active, price will start to moon.  ;)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: GreatArkansas on December 19, 2017, 07:13:05 AM
For me, the most I like is monero in your list. Monero is really great coin for private coin, they have very active project with great devs. I have one suggestion that not in your list, it is the Verge. Verge currency is also good, since it is still undervalued.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 19, 2017, 07:20:54 AM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.


At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness.  
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.

1 + 2  are irrelevant if the exploit doesn't matter. You should read my original reply--apparently you didn't understand what I was saying or don't understand what the article you linked was implying about how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy. Monero offers on-chain anonymity--it's not an exploit if you don't use it with TOR or I2p as your IP data isn't TX data. And if you live in a country where you need IP masking, you should already know that you need to use TOR or I2p with every coin and that it is trivial to implement.

As for your statements about me--please see ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem All I've said about you is that you don't know what you are talking about, which you seem intent on reproving ad nauseum.


Yes you did say that, "I didn't know what I was talking about" and you keep saying that AND I still don't see what I said that was wrong or why you are continuing to come at me.  You can say they are irrelevant, I suppose,  These issues were fixed very rapidly if my recollection is correct.  I was speaking in favor of MOnero and any coin that can rapidly correct any possible problems.  So perhaps this is a failure in communication.
And I'm very familiar with AdHominem.  The only thing I've said about you is that your post has misdirected rage which is really no different than you saying I don't know what I'm talking about.  I'm not attacking your character, I haven't called you any names.  Shit, I don't know your character to make an ad hominem attack at you. So...  again... Address the strawman please and tell me what you think Ad Hominem means because it doesn't run parallel to my understanding of that term.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: jbombfb on December 19, 2017, 07:21:40 AM
A lot of people think NAV coin is hugely undervalued. Edward Snowden is backing up Monero I think or ZCash, it was one of the two.

Bitcoin is the best private coin! Don't look somewhere else!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 19, 2017, 07:29:20 AM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.


At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness.  
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.

1 + 2  are irrelevant if the exploit doesn't matter. You should read my original reply--apparently you didn't understand what I was saying or don't understand what the article you linked was implying about how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy. Monero offers on-chain anonymity--it's not an exploit if you don't use it with TOR or I2p as your IP data isn't TX data. And if you live in a country where you need IP masking, you should already know that you need to use TOR or I2p with every coin and that it is trivial to implement.

As for your statements about me--please see ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem All I've said about you is that you don't know what you are talking about, which you seem intent on reproving ad nauseum.


Yes you did say that, "I didn't know what I was talking about" and you keep saying that AND I still don't see what I said that was wrong or why you are continuing to come at me.  You can say they are irrelevant, I suppose,  These issues were fixed very rapidly if my recollection is correct.  I was speaking in favor of MOnero and any coin that can rapidly correct any possible problems.  So perhaps this is a failure in communication.
And I'm very familiar with AdHominem.  The only thing I've said about you is that your post has misdirected rage which is really no different than you saying I don't know what I'm talking about.  I'm not attacking your character, I haven't called you any names.  Shit, I don't know your character to make an ad hominem attack at you. So...  again... Address the strawman please and tell me what you think Ad Hominem means because it doesn't run parallel to my understanding of that term.


Implying that my post are "misdirected rage" is ad hominem. Also, no strawman--unless you still fail to understand that the exploit in the article (that you linked)  is not an exploit. Apparently you still don't understand my point. So I'll stop wasting my time and keep reposting another person's explanation until you get it.

https://themerkle.com/moneros-ip-address-leak-isnt-an-exploit-and-doesnt-affect-anonymity/


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 19, 2017, 07:32:08 AM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.

At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness.  
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.

1 + 2  are irrelevant if the exploit doesn't matter. You should read my original reply--apparently you didn't understand what I was saying or don't understand what the article you linked was implying about how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy. Monero offers on-chain anonymity--it's not an exploit if you don't use it with TOR or I2p as your IP data isn't TX data. And if you live in a country where you need IP masking, you should already know that you need to use TOR or I2p with every coin and that it is trivial to implement.

As for your statements about me--please see ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem All I've said about you is that you don't know what you are talking about, which you seem intent on reproving ad nauseum.


Oh I see. You thought I meant you were being a dick in general.  Sorry I was saying that towards the community as as a whole because they tend to poorly represent Monero with bad attitudes and by attacking other coins.  Less so here than on Reddit.  It was included as general thought at the end but I can see how the precursor would indicate that I was talking about you.  SOrry about that.  


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 19, 2017, 07:38:49 AM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.


At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness.  
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.

1 + 2  are irrelevant if the exploit doesn't matter. You should read my original reply--apparently you didn't understand what I was saying or don't understand what the article you linked was implying about how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy. Monero offers on-chain anonymity--it's not an exploit if you don't use it with TOR or I2p as your IP data isn't TX data. And if you live in a country where you need IP masking, you should already know that you need to use TOR or I2p with every coin and that it is trivial to implement.

As for your statements about me--please see ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem All I've said about you is that you don't know what you are talking about, which you seem intent on reproving ad nauseum.


Yes you did say that, "I didn't know what I was talking about" and you keep saying that AND I still don't see what I said that was wrong or why you are continuing to come at me.  You can say they are irrelevant, I suppose,  These issues were fixed very rapidly if my recollection is correct.  I was speaking in favor of MOnero and any coin that can rapidly correct any possible problems.  So perhaps this is a failure in communication.
And I'm very familiar with AdHominem.  The only thing I've said about you is that your post has misdirected rage which is really no different than you saying I don't know what I'm talking about.  I'm not attacking your character, I haven't called you any names.  Shit, I don't know your character to make an ad hominem attack at you. So...  again... Address the strawman please and tell me what you think Ad Hominem means because it doesn't run parallel to my understanding of that term.


Implying that my post are "misdirected rage" is ad hominem. Also, no strawman--unless you still fail to understand that the exploit in the article (that you linked)  is not an exploit. Apparently you still don't understand my point. So I'll stop wasting my time and keep reposting another person's explanation until you get it.

https://themerkle.com/moneros-ip-address-leak-isnt-an-exploit-and-doesnt-affect-anonymity/

Oh that?  No there was no implication there.  I "said" that, I didn't "imply" it.  I'm not saying you are wrong or bad for having misdirected rage in your post, just that your post has misdirected rage.  That's not ad hominem.  NOW I guess I can say YOU don't know what you're talking about LOLOL... but I won't do that.   I'm pretty sure we are missing eachothers' points though.  I hope your day gets better.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 19, 2017, 07:46:23 AM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.


At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness.  
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.

1 + 2  are irrelevant if the exploit doesn't matter. You should read my original reply--apparently you didn't understand what I was saying or don't understand what the article you linked was implying about how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy. Monero offers on-chain anonymity--it's not an exploit if you don't use it with TOR or I2p as your IP data isn't TX data. And if you live in a country where you need IP masking, you should already know that you need to use TOR or I2p with every coin and that it is trivial to implement.

As for your statements about me--please see ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem All I've said about you is that you don't know what you are talking about, which you seem intent on reproving ad nauseum.


Yes you did say that, "I didn't know what I was talking about" and you keep saying that AND I still don't see what I said that was wrong or why you are continuing to come at me.  You can say they are irrelevant, I suppose,  These issues were fixed very rapidly if my recollection is correct.  I was speaking in favor of MOnero and any coin that can rapidly correct any possible problems.  So perhaps this is a failure in communication.
And I'm very familiar with AdHominem.  The only thing I've said about you is that your post has misdirected rage which is really no different than you saying I don't know what I'm talking about.  I'm not attacking your character, I haven't called you any names.  Shit, I don't know your character to make an ad hominem attack at you. So...  again... Address the strawman please and tell me what you think Ad Hominem means because it doesn't run parallel to my understanding of that term.


Implying that my post are "misdirected rage" is ad hominem. Also, no strawman--unless you still fail to understand that the exploit in the article (that you linked)  is not an exploit. Apparently you still don't understand my point. So I'll stop wasting my time and keep reposting another person's explanation until you get it.

https://themerkle.com/moneros-ip-address-leak-isnt-an-exploit-and-doesnt-affect-anonymity/

Oh that?  No there was no implication there.  I "said" that, I didn't "imply" it.  I'm not saying you are wrong or bad for having misdirected rage in your post, just that your post has misdirected rage.  That's not ad hominem.  NOW I guess I can say YOU don't know what you're talking about LOLOL... but I won't do that.   I'm pretty sure we are missing eachothers' points though.  I hope your day gets better.

It would go better if people would do their own research and stop posting debunked articles and then say I was "misdirecting rage" when I pointed out that the article was false and posting it proved that  A. they're disingenuous or B. they don't understand how coin's achieve anonymity  or C. they just post stuff and hope they are right, but attack someone when they are proved wrong.

Again, go back to my first post and accept it, rather than go down many roads of disinformation to attempt to hide the fact that you are responsible for the Bullshit you post--whether you like it or not.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: mR.k0fka on December 19, 2017, 08:09:50 AM
KMD best privacy coin.
jumblr is a great tool


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: oaks05 on December 19, 2017, 08:12:11 AM
No love for cloakcoin? i just recently got back into this cloak, only 5 million coins has jumped nearly 100% in value the past week, they have been a closed source project for years and just sent out there code to get reviewed in preparation to go open source, everyone should look into enigma which is what cloakcoin uses to make transactions 100% private oh ya 6% return yearly as it is also a POS coin, you can hold a 100 or 1000 its 6% yearly no matter how many you hold meaning no need for masternodes.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Cryptotina on December 19, 2017, 10:58:24 PM
With all these not so similar replies, I sure hope the asker gets to pick the right one. Though Monero is a little bit high, its my favourite and fairest of them all. You surely need to find out this out on your own @asker, and by doing that you'll find one that suits you best. Not saying other people's opinion a bad idea but I believe you ought to make research and get to understand.. You know what you like and what your taste is best. So..


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: nakashu on December 20, 2017, 08:10:57 AM
all in all, monero is really great private coin and it finally got the value it deserves in recent months, but from my opinion SUMOKOIN is best. It has all what monero has but on top of that it is UNTRACEABLE, not only private. Ring Confidential Transactions (RingCT) with minimum ringsize of 12 are implemented since very beginning. As solid as it gets.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: SCAR_8 on December 20, 2017, 08:49:19 AM
XSPEC and Deep Onion would be my 2 picks


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 20, 2017, 08:52:08 AM
X-post as it applies to this thread as well:


This isn't like the NFL draft where only one team can draft Tom Brady. Everyone can use the best technology, so they will--especially given the technology is keeping them from jail or paying taxes. You should be montering the DMs and evaluating the success of a coin on how many markets are implementing them into a buying option--even better if you can find a way to evaluate use, but that's tough given people aren't given up market data (at least not by choice).


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: vovannovig2 on December 20, 2017, 08:55:31 AM
XSPEC and Deep Onion would be my 2 picks
Spectrecoin is a first rate privacy coin that has been sharply outperforming Bitcoin for the past week.  Normally, once a coin starts to take off like that, I tend to back away from it, but this coin is so deeply undervalued that I am confident it will ultimately only go up from here, regardless of what happens to it (and crypto in general) in the short term.  This is a buy and hold coin:


Take a look at Spectrecoin's tech:

1. Native Tor integration preserves network privacy, protects users against surveillance

2. OBFS4 obfuscation protocol facilitates undetected usage in Tor-blocked countries such as China and Iran (the only anon coin with this feature)

3. Ring signatures ensure transactional anonymity

4. PoS with generous staking rewards (5% added to the total supply each year, distributed to those who stake)

5. Community-based funding mechanism: Slider for contributing a percentage (or all) of one's staking rewards towards funding development

6. Stealth coin withdrawal from exchanges, for total preservation of user anonymity (coming soon in v1.4, due for release in the next few weeks)

7. Default stealth transactions for a more intuitive user experience (coming in v2.0, due for release Q1 2018)

8. Stealth staking [a first for any cryptocurrency!] (coming in v2.0, due for release Q1 2018)

9. A low power Android staking wallet (planned for Q2 2018)

10. Trezor and Ledger hardware wallet support (to be announced)

11. SpectreCash app - a small remittance Android app, facilitating 100% anonymous peer-to-peer transactions (to be announced)


In addition, Spectrecoin will soon be featured on the anonymous, peer-to-peer decentralized exchange BISQ (formerly BitSquare), starting with BISQ's upcoming software release.  This is a fitting partnership for any coin that takes the privacy and anonymity of its users seriously, and a truly exciting development.

There are less than 21 million coins in circulation.  At any price below $5 per coin, this coin is a steal.

This is one up-and-coming privacy coin that is not messing around.  Regardless of which way the crypto market heads in the short term, this is a coin you will want to stake your claim in now, before it hits its stride.

Educate yourself about this hidden gem here: http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin
Come join our vibrant and growing community on slack: http://slack.spectreproject.io/
I completely agree with you!
I bought earlier and buy now.

I'm sure everyone understands that 2018 will be the year of alternative crypto currency, and now it's time to buy promising coins.

Analyzing many other projects on such criteria as the total number of coins, work in the community, self-financing, technology, and, after seeing how the developer works, I made a choice.
My choice - Spectrecoin XSPEC

http://s018.radikal.ru/i525/1711/b9/745fc07c29af.png
http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1711/f2/9d2ae2b469fc.jpg


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: HODL to the moon on December 20, 2017, 12:04:24 PM
I like monero a lot! It has been keeping up quite good recently. Interesting to see it pumping and steady. But PIVX has also nice small fees and fast transactions


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Discounted on December 20, 2017, 12:48:45 PM
Definitly XSPEC, low supply, low market cap and amazing technology. It has more privacy than monero,verge and zcash combined. Get it while it's still cheap. It's a sleeper.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: nakashu on December 20, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PbbEA7p.png

nice comparison of monero and sumokoin


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 20, 2017, 01:09:52 PM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.


At no point was it my intention to distinguish between the two.  I'm not entirely sure why you are trying to stawman me into an argument.  And no, I seldom read comments in articles.  Reading comments on articles is a surefire way for me to lose faith that reasonable discourse still exists.   If you somehow took the fact that I pointed out that Monero has had flaws in the past and was able to fix them as an affront to your character resulting in your defensiveness, I assure you it wasn't directed towards you.  There's no reason to be zealous with me.  I own and support Monero.  I think it's a fine crypto.   I just don't understand why so many supporters of Monero become insanely aggressive against other privacy coins as if Monero was the only coin able to attain a certain greatness.  
I also don't mean this as an insult but your response read like the comic book guy from the Simpsons and I reread it in that voice and laughed a lot.  Thanks for that.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. I merely pointed out how you were wrong and were helping to spread misinformation. Don't really care how you feel about it. Accept the criticism or don't.

Which part was an incorrect statement (misinformation) because I only made two?

1. That Monero supposedly has to deal with  exploits?
or
2. That speed of repairing exploits is more important than the exploit itself?

You weren't arguing either of these things, because they are both true.  You are creating a strawman that is misrepresenting the statements I've made so that you have something to attack.  You didn't merely point out an inaccuracy;  both of the aforementioned statements are true but somehow you've misinterpreted what I was saying as "Monero is bad," which is quite the opposite. So you aren't "criticizing."  If my intention came across as something more than what was literally stated I apologize. But you're lashing out.  And inappropriately, in my opinion, because my words shouldn't pose a threat to you or Monero at all.

Here is some actual criticism for you:  Your post has some misdirected rage.

but in your defense I find this to be a common trait of Monero users in forums.

My criticism to the Monero community:  We don't need to act like this ^:  Creating arguments when there are none, or defending (in an aggressive and insulting manner) a coin that doesn't need our defense, being a "dick" in general.  We all know Monero is solid there are no threats here.

1 + 2  are irrelevant if the exploit doesn't matter. You should read my original reply--apparently you didn't understand what I was saying or don't understand what the article you linked was implying about how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy. Monero offers on-chain anonymity--it's not an exploit if you don't use it with TOR or I2p as your IP data isn't TX data. And if you live in a country where you need IP masking, you should already know that you need to use TOR or I2p with every coin and that it is trivial to implement.

As for your statements about me--please see ad hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem All I've said about you is that you don't know what you are talking about, which you seem intent on reproving ad nauseum.


Yes you did say that, "I didn't know what I was talking about" and you keep saying that AND I still don't see what I said that was wrong or why you are continuing to come at me.  You can say they are irrelevant, I suppose,  These issues were fixed very rapidly if my recollection is correct.  I was speaking in favor of MOnero and any coin that can rapidly correct any possible problems.  So perhaps this is a failure in communication.
And I'm very familiar with AdHominem.  The only thing I've said about you is that your post has misdirected rage which is really no different than you saying I don't know what I'm talking about.  I'm not attacking your character, I haven't called you any names.  Shit, I don't know your character to make an ad hominem attack at you. So...  again... Address the strawman please and tell me what you think Ad Hominem means because it doesn't run parallel to my understanding of that term.


Implying that my post are "misdirected rage" is ad hominem. Also, no strawman--unless you still fail to understand that the exploit in the article (that you linked)  is not an exploit. Apparently you still don't understand my point. So I'll stop wasting my time and keep reposting another person's explanation until you get it.

https://themerkle.com/moneros-ip-address-leak-isnt-an-exploit-and-doesnt-affect-anonymity/

Oh that?  No there was no implication there.  I "said" that, I didn't "imply" it.  I'm not saying you are wrong or bad for having misdirected rage in your post, just that your post has misdirected rage.  That's not ad hominem.  NOW I guess I can say YOU don't know what you're talking about LOLOL... but I won't do that.   I'm pretty sure we are missing eachothers' points though.  I hope your day gets better.

It would go better if people would do their own research and stop posting debunked articles and then say I was "misdirecting rage" when I pointed out that the article was false and posting it proved that  A. they're disingenuous or B. they don't understand how coin's achieve anonymity  or C. they just post stuff and hope they are right, but attack someone when they are proved wrong.

Again, go back to my first post and accept it, rather than go down many roads of disinformation to attempt to hide the fact that you are responsible for the Bullshit you post--whether you like it or not.

Again, go back to my first post and read where I said "Supposedly" and how both of the points I made are true.  Also read up on Ad Hominem and Strawman.  They're good things to accurately know!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 20, 2017, 01:15:05 PM
@trainasauruswrecks go to original post where you'll see that I was pointing out that you posted an article that was incorrect in its assumptions. Stop wasting my time with disingenuous statements. You failed to understand that the article was mistaken or posted knowing it was false. You're either ignorant or a liar or lazy and can't admit when you are mistaken and would rather waste people's time defending yourself--just be more careful or understand what your are posting and you'll never be corrected again (it's really not that difficult).


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 20, 2017, 01:17:12 PM
Monerro is the best there is no doubt about it in my mind they even hired a guy from bitcoin core to work as a dev on privacy part and you could see the results of his work on the current price.Xzc and other zero proof protocol can be hacked(this already happend to xzc and smart cash) so i wouldnt put my trust on it.Xvg and deep onion use tor for privacy that is already obsolete and for spec coin i doubt that anything will happen with it as its still in beta phase

Let's not forget that Monero has had to, supposedly, deal with exploits as well.  It's not whether or not it CAN be hacked, but how fast those exploits can be fixed.  https://www.bitsonline.com/monero-exploit-threatens-privacy/

IP data is not tx data--that's the difference between on-chain anonymity and bolting TOR onto a coin and calling it anonymous. On-chain is the more difficult of the two, and any user can do the second themselves. Of course you would have known that yourself if you has read the comments in that article or understood how Monero achieves privacy or had known that you can use TOR or I2p with Bitcoin and be more anonymous (more tx=more noise) than a coin like verge which bolted on TOR and called it a day. But thanks for proving you don't know what you are talking about.

Here you go--helped you out. The use of "supposedly" does not excuse my point that you in fact did not understand yourself that the "exploit" was not an exploit--if you had a basic understanding of how coins achieve privacy, you would have known and not linked the article in the first place.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Joebwan on December 20, 2017, 01:21:06 PM
Lately, I'm fan of Onion as you can see from my signature.

The coin have very passion community and now I'm part of. They are very helpful and this is very useful when a coin needs new users and wide adoption.

TOR is the only way for nodes connections.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: profit-shooter on December 20, 2017, 01:32:21 PM
My choice is XRP. It must gain X10 to usd within 2018. At this moment price is about 70-80 cents for XRP.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Crypto_lion on December 20, 2017, 02:59:18 PM
Is it worth investing in xspec and verge after the recent price hike ?


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 20, 2017, 03:21:06 PM
@trainasauruswrecks go to original post where you'll see that I was pointing out that you posted an article that was incorrect in its assumptions. Stop wasting my time with disingenuous statements. You failed to understand that the article was mistaken or posted knowing it was false. You're either ignorant or a liar or lazy and can't admit when you are mistaken and would rather waste people's time defending yourself--just be more careful or understand what your are posting and you'll never be corrected again (it's really not that difficult).

I posted an article and stated that SUPPOSEDLY Monero has had to deal with exploits as well.

This is a true statement.

I also stated that exploits do not matter, it's how quickly they are recovered that matters.

Also a true statement.


Where was the mistake in this?  That I posted an article?  I drew no assumptions as to whether or not it was correct in its conclusion.  That's is why I specifically said "supposedly."  If you look at your reply (that could had simply said that the supposed exploit was found to be false) you went on your condescending comic book guy rant imposing some sort of ill intention on my post that was not intended.  I've just dragged you out this far because you're easy troll bait and it was clear from your response that you would be. :)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: vovannovig2 on December 20, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
B O O M

private in-n-out gateway for XSPEC to be implemeneted in the next release of a decentrilized exchange working on TOR

http://s017.radikal.ru/i425/1712/71/70b1ebb6954b.png (http://radikal.ru)

To be properly decentralized, one must avoid single points of failure:

Bisq does not hold any bitcoins. All are held in multisignature addresses rather than a Bisq-controlled wallet.
Bisq does not hold any national currency. National currency is transferred directly from one trader to the other.
Bisq uses a Peer-to-Peer network over Tor. This means there are no servers to be hacked or DDoS’d.
Bisq does not know the traders. No data is stored on who trades with whom.
Bisq does not require registration. This means privacy is maintained, there are no “approval” wait times, and identity theft becomes impossible.
Bisq does not operate its arbitration system – traders themselves choose from an open and decentralized market of arbitrators.
Bisq is not a company. It is an open source project aiming to organize as a Decentralized Autonomous Organization (DAO).
Bisq is self-funded by the efforts of its volunteers and contributions of donors.


2018 is going to be a year of SPECTRECOIN

I agree, very good!
XSPEC is my choice because it is a complex system of anonymity with an individual approach to each stage of interaction !!!

Here is an article about the fact that a very profitable investment project - https://globalcoinreport.com/heres-why-now-might-be-a-good-time-to-pick-up-some-spectrecoin-xpsec/ (https://globalcoinreport.com/heres-why-now-might-be-a-good-time-to-pick-up-some-spectrecoin-xpsec/)  ;)
http://s018.radikal.ru/i525/1711/b9/745fc07c29af.png
http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1711/f2/9d2ae2b469fc.jpg
Here is a comparison with other projects and much more! - http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin
===
I believe that the future for anonymous projects!
https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/can-see-id-eu-rules-anonymous-transactions/  ;)
www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/12/18/eu-considers-launching-database-bitcoin-owners-crack-criminals/  ;)
===


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 20, 2017, 03:29:55 PM
@trainasauruswrecks go to original post where you'll see that I was pointing out that you posted an article that was incorrect in its assumptions. Stop wasting my time with disingenuous statements. You failed to understand that the article was mistaken or posted knowing it was false. You're either ignorant or a liar or lazy and can't admit when you are mistaken and would rather waste people's time defending yourself--just be more careful or understand what your are posting and you'll never be corrected again (it's really not that difficult).

I posted an article and stated that SUPPOSEDLY Monero has had to deal with exploits as well.

This is a true statement.

I also stated that exploits do not matter, it's how quickly they are recovered that matters.

Also a true statement.


Where was the mistake in this?  That I posted an article?  I drew no assumptions as to whether or not it was correct in its conclusion.  That's is why I specifically said "supposedly."  If you look at your reply (that could had simply said that the supposed exploit was found to be false) you went on your condescending comic book guy rant imposing some sort of ill intention on my post that was not intended.  I've just dragged you out this far because you're easy troll bait and it was clear from your response that you would be. :)


There was no exploit. You linked an article to misinformation. Why?

You don't understand how cryptocurrencies achieve privacy--my point.

I basically pointed out the article was wrong in its assumptions and that you invalidated your authority on the subject by posting the article/end-of-story.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Georgi Tsankov on December 20, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Monero is pretty established already and will be the leader for quite a long time.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Shaour Zafar094 on December 20, 2017, 06:02:38 PM
According to me the best coin from your list is Monero, as i have seen in a list.
cant tell much difference than their rates.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: orkoso on December 20, 2017, 09:14:39 PM
The only one without a richlist is Monero.
Blackbytes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2020882.0) doesn't have a richlist either. It's so private, it's not even traded at centralized exchanges.

But if it is not traded is not really liquid and that is a must.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Crypdon on December 20, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
B O O M

private in-n-out gateway for XSPEC to be implemeneted in the next release of a decentrilized exchange working on TOR

http://s017.radikal.ru/i425/1712/71/70b1ebb6954b.png (http://radikal.ru)

To be properly decentralized, one must avoid single points of failure:

Bisq does not hold any bitcoins. All are held in multisignature addresses rather than a Bisq-controlled wallet.
Bisq does not hold any national currency. National currency is transferred directly from one trader to the other.
Bisq uses a Peer-to-Peer network over Tor. This means there are no servers to be hacked or DDoS’d.
Bisq does not know the traders. No data is stored on who trades with whom.
Bisq does not require registration. This means privacy is maintained, there are no “approval” wait times, and identity theft becomes impossible.
Bisq does not operate its arbitration system – traders themselves choose from an open and decentralized market of arbitrators.
Bisq is not a company. It is an open source project aiming to organize as a Decentralized Autonomous Organization (DAO).
Bisq is self-funded by the efforts of its volunteers and contributions of donors.


2018 is going to be a year of SPECTRECOIN

Yep, agree with that one. If you can trade coins anonymously and the coin itself has privacy features then i would have to say it is definitely worth investing in - especially when it is only trading at $2, look at the value of Monero!


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: oaks05 on December 21, 2017, 02:42:57 AM
cloakcoin just hit new ATH the past hour, open source after audit is done, lots of room for growth still get in while you can.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: vovannovig2 on December 21, 2017, 07:39:26 AM

The best private coin should have Privacy Addresses and Ring-sig/Mixing such coins as: Monero, Bytecoin, ZCash, Spectrecoin.

But if we talk about the best private coin in half a year, then if Spectrecoin will be integrated with BISQ (anonymous decentralized exchange) then Spectrecoin will have end-to-end privacy using privacy addresses & ring-sig. No one will know from whom I bought this coin, when I bought it and sold, and how much I have them on an anonymous stealth addresses.

One of the biggest markets is China. It follows the path of strict regulation of crypto currency and has a China's state-firewall that will block everything that is forbidden: Tor, anonymous coins (if it will be blocked), ... So no one coin will can be used in China with the exception of those coins that have: Tor + Obfuscator. China's state-firewall can't block only Spectrecoin that has both Tor + Obfuscator.
DeepOnion and Verge has Tor, but hasn't Obfuscator. Yes, you can install Tor and ObfsProxy by yourself, but at one point forget to start them and betray yourself. Only Spectrocoin does this automatically by default.

So if we are talking about a better investment, then the most promising coin, with the smallest market capitalization - is spectrecoin.

I completely agree with you!
I believe in Spectrecoin XSPEC


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 21, 2017, 08:32:58 AM

The best private coin should have Privacy Addresses and Ring-sig/Mixing such coins as: Monero, Bytecoin, ZCash, Spectrecoin.

But if we talk about the best private coin in half a year, then if Spectrecoin will be integrated with BISQ (anonymous decentralized exchange) then Spectrecoin will have end-to-end privacy using privacy addresses & ring-sig. No one will know from whom I bought this coin, when I bought it and sold, and how much I have them on an anonymous stealth addresses.

One of the biggest markets is China. It follows the path of strict regulation of crypto currency and has a China's state-firewall that will block everything that is forbidden: Tor, anonymous coins (if it will be blocked), ... So no one coin will can be used in China with the exception of those coins that have: Tor + Obfuscator. China's state-firewall can't block only Spectrecoin that has both Tor + Obfuscator.
DeepOnion and Verge has Tor, but hasn't Obfuscator. Yes, you can install Tor and ObfsProxy by yourself, but at one point forget to start them and betray yourself. Only Spectrocoin does this automatically by default.

So if we are talking about a better investment, then the most promising coin, with the smallest market capitalization - is spectrecoin.

I completely agree with you!
I believe in Spectrecoin XSPEC

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Check out "richlist" and "largest wallets" to see why its privacy claims are BS.

Belief isn't going to stop someone from using the blockchain to analyze how many coins you have--that's not how technology works.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Diablesfunis on December 21, 2017, 08:50:30 AM
Among the private coin i like monero the most, simply because it's the most developed and already has a huge community behind it and the price keep growing. There's some new privacy coin like spectrecoin but it's still new.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: trainasauruswrecks on December 21, 2017, 09:08:39 AM
https://i.imgur.com/zr5wNDs.png


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: TeeSS on December 21, 2017, 10:45:22 AM
This was easy one. Spectrecoin XSPEC hands down. This coin will rocket soon. Remember who told you this and see u at the lambo store next year.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: zander09 on December 21, 2017, 11:34:10 AM
Among the private coin i like monero the most, simply because it's the most developed and already has a huge community behind it and the price keep growing. There's some new privacy coin like spectrecoin but it's still new.

Monero is the most coin i see that many people wants to hold, I'm thinking now to buy monero and hold it. I also watch the video of monero in you tube and i think its a good if i hold it.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 21, 2017, 12:32:09 PM

The best private coin should have Privacy Addresses and Ring-sig/Mixing such coins as: Monero, Bytecoin, ZCash, Spectrecoin.

But if we talk about the best private coin in half a year, then if Spectrecoin will be integrated with BISQ (anonymous decentralized exchange) then Spectrecoin will have end-to-end privacy using privacy addresses & ring-sig. No one will know from whom I bought this coin, when I bought it and sold, and how much I have them on an anonymous stealth addresses.

One of the biggest markets is China. It follows the path of strict regulation of crypto currency and has a China's state-firewall that will block everything that is forbidden: Tor, anonymous coins (if it will be blocked), ... So no one coin will can be used in China with the exception of those coins that have: Tor + Obfuscator. China's state-firewall can't block only Spectrecoin that has both Tor + Obfuscator.
DeepOnion and Verge has Tor, but hasn't Obfuscator. Yes, you can install Tor and ObfsProxy by yourself, but at one point forget to start them and betray yourself. Only Spectrocoin does this automatically by default.

So if we are talking about a better investment, then the most promising coin, with the smallest market capitalization - is spectrecoin.

I completely agree with you!
I believe in Spectrecoin XSPEC
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/ Check out "richlist" and "largest wallets" to see why its privacy claims are BS.

Belief isn't going to stop someone from using the blockchain to analyze how many coins you have--that's not how technology works.
Spectrecoin has two type of addresses: not-anonymous and anonymous(stealth). In the "richlist" and "largest wallets" you can see only not-anonymous addresses, who doesn't want to hide money. But you can't see any anonymous(stealth) addresses, tell me how much money is in this my stealth address? You can't, but you can send me money to this address.
smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp

Exchange BISQ will work with anonymous(stealth) addresses by default.

The problem (a well known one) with running optional privacy is that you create taint and later when you think your coins are safe on an exchange, the exchange can cite KYC/AML concerns and hold your coins--not the good hodl. TBH, I've never looked deeply at spectrecoin, but this problem is so obvious, I don't need to, but if do, I'm sure I'll find worse. Still not sure how you have staking with privacy, so that might be interesting to investigate....


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: vectisitch on December 21, 2017, 12:47:43 PM
i'm biased as i hold a lot of deeponion. i like privacy coins as i see their future as very bright. now lets try to put some truth to some of these statements.

a false airdrop? does it really matter how it's named? airdrop,bounty campaighn,signature campaign. it matters not. the fact is that the premined coins are there in the wallets for all to see. thay are given freely without asking for financial investment.
the devs are reaching their goals as promised and have taken on more devs to speed up development. the planned feautres will make it as good as any privacy coin out there but wqe have a great community which will drive us forward. it's a no brainer.
deeponion will not amount to anything? really? and you know this do you? didn't they say that about bitcoin? don't they say that about every coin that comes out? of cpourse they do. and what do we all do when the coin takes off? we cry about not getting in early.
these are all truths. why not get in early and collect some? you know,just in case it does take off.

to just dismiss it with all the growth it has done since day 1 and the massive community it has behind it is very foolhardy. and i consider myself a bit educated in all things crypto.
 it's your choice.

disclaimer: i am not against any other privacy coin, i like privacy coins.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: TimtheYoutuber on December 22, 2017, 03:10:37 AM
I have been taking a long look into Decred as of recent, it might be a coin that can be a huge competitor of Monero and Zcash.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 22, 2017, 05:22:01 AM
KYC/AML on some exchanges - is the problem of any coins private / non-private.
An exchange BISQ hasn't any KYC/AML, hasn't limits, doesn't verify and doesn't know your IP because it works via Tor. Also for example Binance exchange has limit 2 BTC/day for unverified preson for any coins ($30-40K per day or ~10 M$ per year at this moment). And Bitfinex hasn't withdrawal limit for unverified preson, except USD, EUR, USDT. Yes, these exchanges will know how many coins bought by your account, also exchanges will know generated secondary stealth addresses and can see money on them.
1. But exchanges can not match your account and your person, because you are not verified.
2. Also any next money transfers after withdrawal make it impossible to know now is it your new addresses and money, or already another person has them.
So this is not such a big problem if you use Binance/Bitfinex/..., and there is very small problems if you use decentralized autonomous exchange BISQ. Let me remind you, we talked about any private/non-private coins.


The problem isn't KYC/AML for coins, but that exchanges and governments can perform chain analysis on SOME coins.

Also, IP masking is trivial to add to any coin, so not sure why that is a selling point. Onchain anonymity is the hard part and that's where the majority of coins that have privacy claims fail.

The exact scenario that I'm talking about is I depostit my funds on an exchange, they scan the blockchain and see that a private tx happaned and report it to a regulatory agency and hold the funds. With Monero every XMR is indistingishable from another Monero, so there isn't this problem. Even if Spectre coin is anonymous, which I highly doubt, they failed to make every coin indistinguishable from the next, which means anyone can single out a private tx as supicious.

I'm guessing the vast majority of tx are not private, so you have a reduced anonymity set anyways, so a timing attack to reveal identity is more likely.

As long as you fail at fungibility, you will have residual effects on privacy. Unless of course you are discussing quantum money, which doesn't exist yet.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: GCforce on December 22, 2017, 05:35:47 AM
Ah found a good thread. It has to be DeepOnion Tor Integrated Cryptocurrency has unique technology with DeepVault
This is a cryptographic file verification application that allows for copyrighting of digital documents after being registered on the blockchain

Here are a few posters. X-Files meme :)

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Its 40 week mission to explore new blockchain innovation To seek out new tech and new members
To boldly go where no Altcoin has gone before

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BTTF Video https://youtu.be/H39NJbH2O5g  ;)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: srqrebel on December 22, 2017, 05:44:29 AM
Even if Spectre coin is anonymous, which I highly doubt, they failed to make every coin indistinguishable from the next, which means anyone can single out a private tx as supicious.

That is a pretty unequivocal allegation.  How exactly do you distinguish one coin from another in a matrix of stealth transactions involving ring signatures?  Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that stealth transactions are soon going to be the default in Spectrecoin, along with stealth coin withdrawal from exchanges?

That is like saying Monero lacks network privacy, knowing full well that Kovri is around the corner.  It is being disingenuous at best.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 22, 2017, 05:54:59 AM
Even if Spectre coin is anonymous, which I highly doubt, they failed to make every coin indistinguishable from the next, which means anyone can single out a private tx as supicious.

That is a pretty unequivocal allegation.  How exactly do you distinguish one coin from another in a matrix of stealth transactions involving ring signatures?  Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that stealth transactions are soon going to be the default in Spectrecoin, along with stealth coin withdrawal from exchanges?

That is like saying Monero lacks network privacy, knowing full well that Kovri is around the corner.  It is being disingenuous at best.

I'm talking about how it exist (today) as you yourself described it--I have no idea what spectre plans on doing or how they plan on achieving it. BUT, my first question is: How are stakes doled out and privacy maintained in this future spectre?

Network security isn't tx privacy and is trivial to do yourself. Can a user add onchain anonymity trivially (and yes, I mean every tx so as to not mark mine as different).


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 22, 2017, 10:48:42 AM
Also, IP masking is trivial to add to any coin, so not sure why that is a selling point. Onchain anonymity is the hard part and that's where the majority of coins that have privacy claims fail.

The exact scenario that I'm talking about is I depostit my funds on an exchange, they scan the blockchain and see that a private tx happaned and report it to a regulatory agency and hold the funds. With Monero every XMR is indistingishable from another Monero, so there isn't this problem.
You are talking about Stealth Address and Ring Signature, so Monero and Spectrecoin have them. Yes, I agree, that non-stealth addresses should be absent in the wallet of privacy coin.
Also I am talking not only about IP masking, for example, what will you do if China's state firewall will ban Monero network protocol? China's state firewall already banned Tor and it controls VPNs.

Then TOR integration is pointless for those that choose to bake it in, not sure what your point is. Monero can be used over any network, hence why using it with TOR is trivial, or you can use it over I2p or the regular internet. The point of a decentralized P2P is to be robust on all available networks--if no networks are available, then no networks are available.

Not sure why you bolded the part above and then agreed with my point on all wallets being private--or maybe you didn't... If not, you are failing to grasp the necesity of fungibility for digital cash--if your coin isn't fungible, you lost the right to claim it's cash.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: jeanpierre on December 22, 2017, 11:18:38 AM
Humm...the best private coin for me is Monero I think. Because their marketcap is very high so the price is less volatile as the other small coin. But I don't really like the developpers behind it, a few months ago they announced a big news but then it turned out to be a prank just to warn people not to trust anyone.

Deeponion looks like a good alternative too but there are too many deeponion shills on this forum, so be careful.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Razor5 on December 22, 2017, 08:04:51 PM
I don't think there is a big competition in anonymous coins because Monero is way too good than other so called competitors.
Monero is the first coin to rise when market is green again.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Partizanai on December 22, 2017, 08:19:58 PM
(ITNS) intense coin is 4 month old privacy based coin, it has a steady growth. in near future it will implement VPN features in to it's wallet.
intensecoin.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2090765.0
give it a look it may be a great investment since the coin is still young and cheap and has a lot of potential to grow. It is listed only in one exchange, after more listing and improved liquidity price will go up.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 22, 2017, 08:32:16 PM
Also, IP masking is trivial to add to any coin, so not sure why that is a selling point. Onchain anonymity is the hard part and that's where the majority of coins that have privacy claims fail.

The exact scenario that I'm talking about is I depostit my funds on an exchange, they scan the blockchain and see that a private tx happaned and report it to a regulatory agency and hold the funds. With Monero every XMR is indistingishable from another Monero, so there isn't this problem.
You are talking about Stealth Address and Ring Signature, so Monero and Spectrecoin have them. Yes, I agree, that non-stealth addresses should be absent in the wallet of privacy coin.
Also I am talking not only about IP masking, for example, what will you do if China's state firewall will ban Monero network protocol? China's state firewall already banned Tor and it controls VPNs.

Then TOR integration is pointless for those that choose to bake it in, not sure what your point is. Monero can be used over any network, hence why using it with TOR is trivial, or you can use it over I2p or the regular internet. The point of a decentralized P2P is to be robust on all available networks--if no networks are available, then no networks are available.

Not sure why you bolded the part above and then agreed with my point on all wallets being private--or maybe you didn't... If not, you are failing to grasp the necesity of fungibility for digital cash--if your coin isn't fungible, you lost the right to claim it's cash.
Not Tor is the main feature.
1. Spectrecoin XSPEC has OBFS4 - so it can't be banned by China (with 15% of World GPD) or other countries. Other coins can be banned.
2. Spectrecoin XSPEC has Privacy Staking on the stealth addresses - so you can create blocks for network maintaining the XSPEC-network without betraying himself. Other PoS-coins will show everyone the money of the owners, or will not participate in the maintaining of network making it vulnerable to attacks. Or will use slow and expensive PoW as in Monero - this coin can not be fast and reliable, choose one thing only.
Also Spectrecoin XSPEC coins can't be marked as well as in the Monero because they both use the same features: Stealth-addresses & Ring-signature.
But there are no Stealth-addresses at all in the: Verge, PIVX, Dash.

You are still missing the point on fungibility, but seems a lost cause, so not gone to waste my time explaining it again.

As for networks, most coins work on TOR, I2p or regular internet, so any function that used with TOR would be functional with most coins, not sure why you are assuming that they can't or why this is only the case for spec.

Also, please tell me how you have wallet privacy and staking--still waiting for someone to explain how you are going to dole out stakes based on wallet contents, but have the wallets private? If you can't explain how this happens, don't bother wasting your time trying to sell me on it--I just want to know how it is done.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Oakey22 on December 22, 2017, 08:43:20 PM
It does not matter what any of the coins say, Monero is the clear winner here. It is opensource, the FBI hate it as they can't trace it. DNM's are about to adopt it over BTC and that will keep everyone safe at night.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Shaibana on December 22, 2017, 08:44:24 PM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

Moner and Zcash are my choices.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: coinInvestX5 on December 22, 2017, 10:27:10 PM
I agree with Monero, it's a really good coin.

But I also recommend taking a look at XLC, it's an extreme bargain right now and dev team is working hard on it. News will follow soon.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: mainconcept on December 22, 2017, 10:41:56 PM
I think Monero, Zcash and Spectrecoin are pretty good privacy coins. I guess with all the crypto regulations all over the world privacy coins will gain more attention in the next time.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: jameshugo17 on December 22, 2017, 11:12:12 PM
I have very large holdings for VTC. I made a very good jump in the last 10 days. I think you can reach $ 100 in 2018. I do not think there's a project that's already 100 dollars. It will fill the void.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: smart investor on December 23, 2017, 12:03:44 AM
try SpectreCoin, a tech first superior anon coin. explosive growth ahead.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: KimJungUn on December 23, 2017, 12:08:00 AM
try SpectreCoin, a tech first superior anon coin. explosive growth ahead.

Spectrecoin is traceable.  The blockchain is public and the amounts transferred is visible.  Not good, poor tech.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: srqrebel on December 23, 2017, 12:14:57 AM
Also, please tell me how you have wallet privacy and staking--still waiting for someone to explain how you are going to dole out stakes based on wallet contents, but have the wallets private? If you can't explain how this happens, don't bother wasting your time trying to sell me on it--I just want to know how it is done.

That information will be released in a technical paper - call it a whitepaper if you will - by the cryptographer who is developing that feature, once that work has been completed.  If you really want to know now in order to guide your decision in whether to buy XSPEC, go ask the devs yourself.  But since all you want to do is bad mouth a coin whose planned upgrades will bring its fungibility and anonymity in line with Monero, and insist on conflating Spectrecoin's native Tor integration with using a non-integrated coin such as Monero over the Tor network, which would leave the user vulnerable to exit nodes while Spectrecoin does not, I would personally prefer that you wait to find out until the cryptographer releases that info publicly and the price has already jumped.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: srqrebel on December 23, 2017, 12:19:34 AM
try SpectreCoin, a tech first superior anon coin. explosive growth ahead.

Spectrecoin is traceable.  The blockchain is public and the amounts transferred is visible.  Not good, poor tech.

Hey look, it's Kim Jung Un Fanboy again.  How many times do you have to be told that default stealth addresses are coming, which make the "public blockchain" debate obsolete?

There must be a reason you are so fixated on spreading dishonest FUD about Spectrecoin.  Running scared much?


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: vovannovig2 on December 23, 2017, 05:58:49 AM
I'm sure everyone understands that 2018 will be the year of alternative crypto currency, and now it's time to buy promising coins.

Analyzing many other projects on such criteria as the total number of coins, work in the community, self-financing, technology, and, after seeing how the developer works, I made a choice.
My choice - Spectrecoin XSPEC

1) SpectreCoin (XSPEC)

Very interesting project that will definitely go up in price! - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2103301.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2103301.0)
XSPEC - I'm sure that it will cost much more than now, I buy this coin for all my money!
Indeed an anonymous coin which is dynamically developed by the community!
Here is an article about the fact that a very profitable investment project - https://globalcoinreport.com/heres-why-now-might-be-a-good-time-to-pick-up-some-spectrecoin-xpsec/ (https://globalcoinreport.com/heres-why-now-might-be-a-good-time-to-pick-up-some-spectrecoin-xpsec/)  ;)
http://b.radikal.ru/b30/1712/35/bd0620891799.png
Here is a comparison with other projects and much more!
- http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin
===
I believe that the future for anonymous projects!
https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/can-see-id-eu-rules-anonymous-transactions/  ;)
www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/12/18/eu-considers-launching-database-bitcoin-owners-crack-criminals/  ;)
===


2) Phore - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2307909.0

3) ZOIN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2085112.0


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Invester on December 23, 2017, 06:14:13 AM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

As far as my understanding is concerned, it is Monero (XMR) that is the most anonymous coin of all. If you could remember, during the time of the Silk Road case, the Central Intelligence Unit (CIA) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) went into it. And then several raids were done, not just in the United States but also in some other countries such as Australia. A large number of Bitcoins were confiscated because identities were traced. There was a big shift to Monero right after that.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 23, 2017, 06:51:16 AM
Also, please tell me how you have wallet privacy and staking--still waiting for someone to explain how you are going to dole out stakes based on wallet contents, but have the wallets private? If you can't explain how this happens, don't bother wasting your time trying to sell me on it--I just want to know how it is done.

That information will be released in a technical paper - call it a whitepaper if you will - by the cryptographer who is developing that feature, once that work has been completed.  If you really want to know now in order to guide your decision in whether to buy XSPEC, go ask the devs yourself.  But since all you want to do is bad mouth a coin whose planned upgrades will bring its fungibility and anonymity in line with Monero, and insist on conflating Spectrecoin's native Tor integration with using a non-integrated coin such as Monero over the Tor network, which would leave the user vulnerable to exit nodes while Spectrecoin does not, I would personally prefer that you wait to find out until the cryptographer releases that info publicly and the price has already jumped.

So the whitepaper isn't out yet and it's not opensource? That's called vaporware. And do not get mad at me if the information isn't readily available, that's not how foss works.

Don't try to claim that Monero doesn't work over TOR or that it's so hard to do that no one can do it, neither are true. Also, using Monero over a clearnet doesn't reveal tx data, so unless you are living in a country that bans cryptocurrencies, it's not needed.

Until you can tell me how you plan to make staking private and all tx private, you are wasting my time. So come back when the whitepaper is done and those features are opensource.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: JW9494 on December 23, 2017, 07:07:47 AM
It will be MobileCoin.
The developer is Moxie Marlinspike...
The guy that created the privacy app Signal..Facebook, WhatsApp use his signal protocol for their messaging privacy..
This guy isn't going to make a coin by calling it something & putting Tor on it.. He will revolutionize crypto privacy...read the whitepaper


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: foggywhite007 on December 23, 2017, 08:58:11 AM
The best anonymous coin running on the system TOR this XSPECTR. Purely technically it is the most reliable. And now its strong growth is associated with what will be running an anonymous exchange on the Basis of XSPECRT.
DEEPONION they have a great community and strong marketing but the coin is not so perfect. There will be many updates and white pepper will be released soon. Also the price can go up.
it is my 2 favorite


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: fatttoshi on December 23, 2017, 09:04:26 AM
+1 on mobilecoin. Just gave it a read. The guy is legit, might actually be something worth looking out for in the next year


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: themistocleess on December 23, 2017, 09:13:11 AM
Zcash, Dash, Monero


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on December 23, 2017, 09:27:35 AM
Zcash, Dash, Monero

Dash forces you to trust that node stakers or hosting services are not colluding to unmask tx--the word trust should not be needed. These systems are supposed to be trustless, especially if it's something as important as your privacy. Also, since there are so few private send tx, timing attacks are all the easier--same applies to zcash until they implement sapling. See: https://z.cash/blog/new-research-on-shielded-ecosystem.html


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Payne976 on December 23, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Hi all I have reading up about SALT ICO does anyone have any infirmed views other than what is on the SALT website? Cheers


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: spoonyg on December 24, 2017, 05:59:50 AM
Intensecoin looks cool, hopefully it will develop into a usable product. If they can get it to work in censored countries such as Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, it would be really important. If they get that going, it would be huge. If it does, the price could go up 10 or 20 times, if you compare the amount of tokens in circulation compared to Sia.

I like zencash and spectrecoin too. Will be interesting to see how 2018 pans out for the space, a newcomer like QRL or Mobilecoin like was pointed out could be big too.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: spacegoon on December 24, 2017, 06:44:46 AM
My favorite private coin right now is XSPEC. Its extremely undervalued right now. Max coin supply near BTC/MONERO/LTC at 20M. It runs entirely on the tor network with all traffic staying inside the tor network. They use obfuscation so you ISP's cant tell that you are connecting to TOR. It also has a unique way of anonymizing the transactions. PoS so its energy efficient and doesn't rely on miners to support the entire network. It is also censorship proof and will work in countries that block TOR like china. These are also features that are already implemented. Theres also a built in encrypted chat feature too which I hope they flesh out more in the future.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: marcellinuswiray on December 24, 2017, 07:14:44 AM
SUMOKOIN have great potential to be new monero

buy and hold it !  ;)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: NEZ1123 on December 24, 2017, 07:22:48 AM
XZC still has a lot of room to grow, so does NAV


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Soksuci on December 24, 2017, 07:36:46 AM
XZC? It has Znodes feature. I guess it might be big in the 2018


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: carlocolucci83 on December 24, 2017, 10:26:35 AM
Hi all, I am not sure about other privacy coins, but I do know XSPEC is pretty much the best privacy coin out there. Simply put: XSPEC's tech is superior and since 2018 will be an important year for crypto in general and privacy coins in particular, I strongly believe XSPEC will do great in 2018. Fast transactions (60 seconds!), very good team with professionals with 15+ years experience in cryptography, TOR with OSBF4 integrated natively and there is much more. Can wait for 2018! :).
018 will be the year for privacy coins, since crypto will likely be regulated (in some way).


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Nessing on December 24, 2017, 10:40:00 AM
The best private coin could be Spectrecoin, why? It uses Stealth adresses which make your transaction going through an uncorrelated adress.
Also it is the first coin which has TOR with OBSF4 integrated, so your traffic appears normal to a provider, that means it can be used in countries which blocks actually TOR traffic.
In terms of privacy it is the one of the best if not the best actually on the market.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: cryptozobo on December 24, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
Verge will could be the best privacy coin (huge potential!) and it's still at a very low price.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Gardos on December 24, 2017, 11:42:13 AM
Like the guys above said, check out XSPEC. Don't be too late for the party:), version 1.4 will be released soon ;)



Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Shitcointalk on December 24, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
So far Monero, Zcash, Verge.

SumoKoin might be interesting to follow, a monero fork with very low market cap. Big potential.

DeepOnion and Xspec can't be taken seriously as long as people keep spamming everywhere about it. Without credibility, no big investors will look at them.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: publicjud on December 26, 2017, 02:24:16 PM
I was very disappointed when I found out that DASH does not give us complete anonymity. I think that now Monero can be regarded as a completely anonymous coin. So it's my pick.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: fredericos on December 26, 2017, 08:49:49 PM
Zclassic will rebrand to BTC private. $ZCL is a fork of Zcash without founder's rewards, which is a great thing for the decentralization of the coin! It's currently pumping hard because of the rebranding announcement ! I think the community will support it and it will be a successful privacy coin tbh :)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: okan on December 26, 2017, 08:59:20 PM
i didnt understand mean of private coin?

what is private oin? and what are these coins? pivx monereo ?


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: mountrock on December 26, 2017, 09:44:14 PM
Monero is the most private one


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: 2econd on December 26, 2017, 10:07:10 PM
SUMOKOIN have great potential to be new monero

buy and hold it !  ;)
l

I like Sumo, a lot. But people forget that it's new, easy to mine, and hence the market cap is bigger than you might think. Lots of coins will enter circulation


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: jdlr on December 27, 2017, 11:15:01 AM

XLR Solaris will be a big hit soon, check it out


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: AlexeyB on January 01, 2018, 01:53:05 PM
Just know, about fake privacy coin Verge (XVG) that without Stealth addresses and without Ring-sig: http://xvg.keff.org/ (http://xvg.keff.org/)
The core Verge wallet still has never used Tor: https://twitter.com/fuzzbawls/status/942931947260493824 (https://twitter.com/fuzzbawls/status/942931947260493824)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on January 01, 2018, 02:08:23 PM
try SpectreCoin, a tech first superior anon coin. explosive growth ahead.

Spectrecoin is traceable.  The blockchain is public and the amounts transferred is visible.  Not good, poor tech.
Ok man, just tell me how much money do I have?
My Spectrecoin (XSPEC) stealth-address:
smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
https://hsto.org/webt/xe/0k/rx/xe0krx5nagvcqcec4-hoqeuzlrc.jpeg (https://hsto.org/webt/xe/0k/rx/xe0krx5nagvcqcec4-hoqeuzlrc.jpeg)
- You can't see my money - on Stealth Addresses
- You can't trace my money - due to Ring Signatures - sending from such addresses can be signed by any user from several dozen and you don't know who actually sent the money. This is the same as Ring-Sig in Monero, and Ring-Sig much greater tech than Mixing in a Verge, Dash, Zcash...
Monero is a PoW+stealth addresses, PivX is PoS but hasn't stealth addresses, and only Spectrecion is already PoS v3 + stealth addresses.

Monero's  blockchain is public too, so following your logic - do you say that Monero "Not good, poor tech."? https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583 (https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583)
Quote
stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

PoS in Spectrecoin is much greater tech than PoW in Monero, so for example Ethereum dreams to move from PoW to PoS:
http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/09/25/ethereum-may-upgrade-proof-stake-2018-says-vitalik-buterin (http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/09/25/ethereum-may-upgrade-proof-stake-2018-says-vitalik-buterin)
https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/Proof-of-Stake-FAQ (https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/Proof-of-Stake-FAQ)

POS would need to find a way of proving the age of coins without disclosing the actual age of coins. So where is the code or white paper that explains how xspec managed this? If they did do it, it would be one of the greatest innovations in cryptocurrencies--kind of why I think it's vaporware until someone bothers putting forth the code for an audit.

There's a good reason Monero sticks with POW.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: cappieman007 on January 01, 2018, 03:03:48 PM
Well, I think the best anonymous coin ONION/ Now waiting for the release of the updates DeepSend after this update is absolutely impossible to track how many coins, all transactions will be invisible. Plus many other ONION chips introduces DeepVault, smart contracts and much more. I think a good future is from the ONION. Absolutely sure that will be one of the leaders in the world for anonymous payments and security


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Shitcointalk on January 04, 2018, 01:58:06 AM
white paper that explains how xspec managed this? If they did do it, it would be one of the greatest innovations in cryptocurrencies
If it would had been published, then the Market Capitalization of Spectrecoin already would be more than $5 Billion (with price $250). This is 50x the current price. If we are talking about investing - it makes sense to invest now before this growth, not after.
Required few months to definitively test and review this technology by private testers, before it will be published. I'm betting that no vulnerabilities will be found.

Yes, maybe you are right and spectrecoin will become the best coin ever. But I really doubt a team that can't even make a proper website for their projet, can come up with such huge innovation in cryptoworld.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: AlienWithBTC on January 04, 2018, 03:17:52 AM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.

I think monero should still be the leader, based on current price and market cap


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Getcoinsite on January 04, 2018, 03:37:16 AM
Hello everyone. Noob here.

I just want to know which is the best private coin and the differences between them?

Monero
Deeponion
Spectrecoin
Nav
Pivx

or any other worth knowing about.

Tnx.
what do you mean by private coin?all coins here in crypto are public because it
wont progress if its only for public.

Anyway i trust litecoin and ethereum,same as neo and ripple i dl believe that this four
coins can make profit this 2018 together with bitcoin


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on January 04, 2018, 12:53:52 PM
white paper that explains how xspec managed this? If they did do it, it would be one of the greatest innovations in cryptocurrencies
If it would had been published, then the Market Capitalization of Spectrecoin already would be more than $5 Billion (with price $250). This is 50x the current price. If we are talking about investing - it makes sense to invest now before this growth, not after.
Required few months to definitively test and review this technology by private testers, before it will be published. I'm betting that no vulnerabilities will be found.

I think you are missing my point (in a major way).

My point is that it looks, walks and sounds like vaporware, and any investor would be remiss to assume that it's factual without evidence to the contrary. Chasing pumps based on hype is one thing, trying to evaluate a technology based on evidence is an entirely different ballgame and dismisses hype to ascertain longterm value.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: p.a.n. on January 04, 2018, 04:42:09 PM
@generalizethis

while i do think it's a smart approach to not blindly believe in every coin a bct-member is trying to shill because they're heavily invested in it themselves, i don't understand your overly negative attitude towards spectrecoin.

i've been following this project for a couple of months now, and so far, the developer has delivered everything he promised.

if you are genuinely interested in technical aspects, you can ask the dev. any question on the project's slack channel.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: generalizethis on January 04, 2018, 05:09:52 PM
@generalizethis

while i do think it's a smart approach to not blindly believe in every coin a bct-member is trying to shill because they're heavily invested in it themselves, i don't understand your overly negative attitude towards spectrecoin.

i've been following this project for a couple of months now, and so far, the developer has delivered everything he promised.

if you are genuinely interested in technical aspects, you can ask the dev. any question on the project's slack channel.


It's a pretty major claim to be offering anonymous POS, so big that it should be in the top 25 if true--the fact that the devs have avoided major press releases and have eschewed code audits and haven't even offered a white paper to outline how they intend to implement this great feat should be worrisome for any potential investor. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want at least the examinable proof to this claim, and no one should buy based on promises. It's called hype for a reason and be prepared to be disappointed if you buy into it.

And I'm not going out of my way to waste my time on their slack. Either put out a white paper or let us review the code, anything less is unacceptable.

Any coin that claims to be private and has a rich list is already suspect--add industry changing innovations and I'm ready to call scam. So provide proof or stfu. I'm getting annoyed that my points are being questioned as they should be self evident.

--They claim anonymous POS even though this doesn't exist and they haven't given an answer as to how they will achieve it.

--There is no historical evidence provided to show the devs are capable of such an inovation.

You only need to address those two points. I will happily invest if you could manage that satisfactorily--serioulsy, I love new stuff if it seems reasonable that it will work as promised.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: vovannovig2 on April 24, 2018, 05:50:46 AM
Very interesting table  ;)
I believe the price will grow more and more.
Zoin is a very interesting project.

https://coinmarketcap.com/ru/currencies/zoin/#markets (https://coinmarketcap.com/ru/currencies/zoin/#markets)


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: TACryptoo on April 24, 2018, 06:20:28 AM
Xspec will be great these year !


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: mpeis007 on April 24, 2018, 07:42:19 AM
XMR and Zcash if you want to go for stable privacy coins(between the two I would go with XMR) and you can also check ZenCash if you re looking to invest into something that has a lot of potential but its not there just yet. They have governance, privacy and (master) nodes starting from just 42 coins with a ROI of about 60% with current participation.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Bowtiesarecool on April 24, 2018, 07:56:20 AM
I'm all for Monero, XSPEC, and Zoin as "Elder" cryptos that every privacy-centric investor should own. However, I've been keeping an eye also on up-and-coming cryptos and XTL alongside STP are currently stroking my fire as undervalued gems and an absolute steal at current prices


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: xenomorphe1 on April 24, 2018, 08:49:43 AM
You should add Bitcoin Private in this list. Maybe one day it will become the leader in the privacy coin? It is still on little exchanges but already the 24th coin in Coinmarketcap. There is also Sumokoin, Hush and Electroneum.


Title: Re: Best Private Coin?
Post by: Febo on April 24, 2018, 03:06:50 PM
You should add Bitcoin Private in this list.

None of Bitcoin clones can be fully fungible. It is impossible since all of them try to achieve anonymity on second layer.   Monero is not a bitcoin clone but was built from scratch. So as all economy around Monero.