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Title: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 01, 2018, 10:38:00 PM http://i66.tinypic.com/fwpu88.png
The Idea The world of digital cryptocurrency is simply that, digital. While everyone would agree that this is how we will eventually transact, there will always be physical, real-life assets that people/businesses/governments possess Paper will be the first ledger that allows a user to electronically register ownership of a physical asset, and also allow for the exchange of physical assets through the same ledger, all while having free and instantaneous transactions. This will be accomplished using a modified DAG data structure built on three layers. The first will be the Paper currency, then there will be an intermediary smart contract layer, and finally the asset ledger, which will track the movement and data of each asset. For distributors, Paper will integrate with your existing processes to automate and decentralize Sign-offs, Bills, and shipment tracking. Free trade is stitched into the fabric of the international economy. Though critical, this multi-trillion-dollar sector is largely run on legacy infrastructure that is incredibly inefficient, costly and sluggish. Plagued by a host of error-prone intermediary parties, the logistics industry is overdue for a serious overhaul. Paper is building a fully integrated Blockchain system to unify the modern supply chain. By logging transactions via an encrypted public ledger, the platform will provide users with complete control over and access to the status of their shipments. This will give entrepreneur-customers a top-down view of their product’s movements. Use Cases • The largest use case for me is the global e-commerce industry, as this will allow for an immutable ledger of who owns what, at what time. • Core assets such as houses, cars, etc. This technology could theoretically replace deeds and registrations. How it will work https://image.ibb.co/bxyfdH/workflow.jpg Think of the ledger as an immutable data storage container, which shows each real world asset through it's life cycle. This asset will have it's own chain, where you as the owner of the item can record any information you so choose on the item, as well as initiate the transfer of ownership to any other account you so choose. The main node will simply have every single asset public key - paired with the owner's public key. This greatly reduces data issues as anybody that hosts the full node would only need to store those blocks. The only updates that affect a full node are the changes in ownership of assets. If the item (such as a computer) already exists on the ledger with a preexisting uniquely identifying key, and you purchase it off of someone else, then it'd simply be a transfer of assets from one person to another with the completion of your payment. The issue is when a new item is created, or you want to add an item that previously did not exist on the ledger. If it's a tech product, such as a company creates a new car and they need to list it onto the database, then the machine's software itself would use an API provided by Paper, which generates a unique key linking it to the company/person creating it. If it's a non-tech product, this is a much harder problem to solve. One route I am thinking is implementing a sensor onto the asset, such as a house, could be purchased from us. You would need to specifically tell us what the product is and so forth, and if we would detect that something like it already exists, we would reject the creation of the asset on the ledger. This sensor could also allow us to track the position of the product, such as a package you order. Any time the package stops moving, we would create a new data entry recording that position. Because of this implementation, we would never allow a new key be created for an already existing asset. This ensures that the asset wasn't taken illegally. What I'm currently working on building is the master node, this is what will be built on a DAG Protocol Timeline • End of Q1 2018 o Finish mathematical structure and facilitation for storing ledger of physical assets o Begin work on creating hardware/software solution to create distinct key for each physical asset • End of Q2 2018 o Depending on which ledger I implement, this phase will involve reforming ledger to meet demands of this project (This may stretch into Q3 2018) o Release Beta version at the end of this phase • End of Q3 – mid Q4 2018 o Continue development of ledger o Build out API’s and toolkits Discord Chat: https://discord.gg/9HsErfP (https://discord.gg/9HsErfP) Sources/Credits: IOTA whitepaper: https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf (https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf) RaiBlocks whitepaper: https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf (https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf) Bitcoin: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) IOTA vs RaiBlocks Technical Discussion: https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e (https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e) Title: Re: P Post by: Almy on January 01, 2018, 10:39:00 PM http://i66.tinypic.com/fwpu88.png The Idea The world of digital cryptocurrency is simply that, digital. While everyone would agree that this is how we will eventually transact, there will always be physical, real-life assets that people/businesses/governments possess. Paper will be the first ledger that allows a user to electronically register ownership of a physical asset, and also allow for the exchange of physical assets through the same ledger. This will be accomplished using a modified DAG (direct acrylic graph) data structure built on two layers. The first will be the Paper currency, the second being the asset ledger, which will track the movement and data of each asset. This will most likely be built upon IOTA, but I have begun exploring RaiBlocks as an ulterior structure (I have outlined my take on both below). As it currently stands, it is just me working on the project, but I have outlined my timeline below, and believe that I can achieve my goals. This is not an ask for donations, or an announcement for an ICO. This is purely to state my intentions to complete this project. If there is significant interest, I will allow limited donations. If you donate understand that this is not a promise for returns at a later time, but a donation to further develop and create this project. Why IOTA or RaiBlocks The value of these next generation ledgers is incredibly noticeable, and necessary for this project to succeed. Both IOTA and RaiBlock’s implementation allow for highly scalable, instant, and fee-less transactions, all on a decentralized network. IOTA: IOTA is far more developed and mature DAG ledger at this point. And technically, it has some advantages over RaiBlocks. Each transaction on IOTA allows for 1 kilobyte of arbitrary data attached, while RaiBlocks allows for only 128 bits total on its first layer. This gives IOTA a distinct advantage when dealing with IoT devices. However, as noted by the article, there could be a second layer introduced which could allow for the transfer of data. Another advantage of IOTA is it allows for off-chain transactions to be attached to the Tangle at a later date. This lets the IoT devices not have to transact online for it to function properly. RaiBlocks: RaiBlocks is the up and coming ledger that has captured a lot of people’s attention, and for good reason. Their implementation gives every user their own mini blockchain. The system makes sense, even more so for the storage of records of physical assets for a user. One of the current issues with RaiBlocks is its lack of privacy. Someone has spoken on fixing this using zkSNARKS (here), and I plan on reaching out and discussing the implementation and whether there is a way to concreate a solution. For reference, here is the methodology below: zkSNARKs have 4 main ingredients: A) Encoding as a polynomial problem The program that is to be checked is compiled into a quadratic equation of polynomials: t(x) h(x) = w(x) v(x), where the equality holds if and only if the program is computed correctly. The prover wants to convince the verifier that this equality holds. B) Succinctness by random sampling The verifier chooses a secret evaluation point s to reduce the problem from multiplying polynomials and verifying polynomial function equality to simple multiplication and equality check on numbers: t(s)h(s) = w(s)v(s) This reduces both the proof size and the verification time tremendously. C) Homomorphic encoding / encryption An encoding/encryption function E is used that has some homomorphic properties (but is not fully homomorphic, something that is not yet practical). This allows the prover to compute E(t(s)), E(h(s)), E(w(s)), E(v(s)) without knowing s, she only knows E(s) and some other helpful encrypted values. D) Zero Knowledge The prover permutes the values E(t(s)), E(h(s)), E(w(s)), E(v(s)) by multiplying with a number so that the verifier can still check their correct structure without knowing the actual encoded values. The very rough idea is that checking t(s)h(s) = w(s)v(s) is identical to checking t(s)h(s) k = w(s)v(s) k for a random secret number k (which is not zero), with the difference that if you are sent only the numbers (t(s)h(s) k) and (w(s)v(s) k), it is impossible to derive t(s)h(s) or w(s)v(s). (Christian Reitwiessner 2016) Use Cases • The largest use case for me is the global e-commerce industry, as this will allow for an immutable ledger of who owns what, at what time. • Core assets such as houses, cars, etc. This technology could theoretically replace deeds and registrations. Timeline • End of Q1 2018 o Finish mathematical structure and facilitation for storing ledger of physical assets o Begin work on creating hardware/software solution to create distinct key for each physical asset • End of Q2 2018 o Depending on which ledger I implement, this phase will involve reforming ledger to meet demands of this project (This may stretch into Q3 2018) o Release Beta version at the end of this phase • End of Q3 – mid Q4 2018 o Continue development of ledger o Build out API’s and toolkits This is obviously not a definitive plan, just my thoughts on how quickly I believe I can accomplish different steps. As of now, I have no plans to create an ICO, and don’t have an official white paper. I will be focusing on the code to ensure that this project is feasible. As you can tell by the banner design, I am no marketer or designer. I will answer any questions you guys may have on the project, and look forward to building this. Please note, this announcement thread is a pre-ann and is not complete, I will update as the project progresses. Sources/Credits: IOTA whitepaper: https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf (https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf) RaiBlocks whitepaper: https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf (https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf) zkSNARKs: https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/ (https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/) Bitcoin: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) IOTA vs RaiBlocks Technical Discussion: https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e (https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e) Quote for Images Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: bitblaster on January 01, 2018, 11:02:56 PM I am looking for a project that combines DAG with zkSNARKs.
Not sure if it works, but would be very promising. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 01, 2018, 11:10:30 PM I am looking for a project that combines DAG with zkSNARKs. Not sure if it works, but would be very promising. The zkSNARKS would be implemented if I decide to use RaiBlocks, since RaiBlocks currently has a very weak system in place right now to protect transaction privacy. There is one person that is claiming to be working on a solution (here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0)). It is quite a difficult task, due to how much computing power each transaction would need (this will slow down the process considerably), and I will do my own analysis to see how feasible it really is. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: bitblaster on January 01, 2018, 11:51:32 PM I am looking for a project that combines DAG with zkSNARKs. Not sure if it works, but would be very promising. The zkSNARKS would be implemented if I decide to use RaiBlocks, since RaiBlocks currently has a very weak system in place right now to protect transaction privacy. There is one person that is claiming to be working on a solution (here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0)). It is quite a difficult task, due to how much computing power each transaction would need (this will slow down the process considerably), and I will do my own analysis to see how feasible it really is. Yes, I'm following that project. DAG has definitely some advantages over blockchain. -bitblaster Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: kaar on January 02, 2018, 12:06:55 AM Guys beware, this guy simply copy-pasted this thread:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0).
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: moneroguru on January 02, 2018, 12:40:55 AM Guys beware, this guy simply copy-pasted this thread:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0). Stone, Paper Sounds like: Rock paper scissors lizard spock Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: blg42598 on January 02, 2018, 12:49:47 AM Looks like Stone, hopefully not the same person because then Stone is most likely a scam :-\
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 01:11:01 AM Guys beware, this guy simply copy-pasted this thread:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0). How did I simply copy-paste the thread. It's a totally different idea. I used his format because it makes sense, and it's not a big concern to me how it looks. I even acknowledged his thread and what he said. I'd be happy to discuss the work I made, and go into a technical discussion of the project. As you can see, I haven't even asked for donations. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: monsanto on January 02, 2018, 01:27:10 AM Guys beware, this guy simply copy-pasted this thread:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0). Stone, Paper Sounds like: Rock paper scissors lizard spock I thought the same thing.. all we need is a scissors DAG & zkSNARKS project and it will complete the whole set. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 01:29:26 AM Guys beware, this guy simply copy-pasted this thread:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0). Stone, Paper Sounds like: Rock paper scissors lizard spock I thought the same thing.. all we need is a scissors DAG & zkSNARKS project and it will complete the whole set. My project has so little to do about zkSNARKS, it's actually confusing how you could think that. All I did was mention that RaiBlocks current privacy system isn't good, and someone was working on a solution. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: kamiyama on January 02, 2018, 01:33:01 AM Let's cooperate together, develop and earn wealth.
stone+paper=Awesome! Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 01:38:42 AM Let's cooperate together, develop and earn wealth. stone+paper=Awesome! I definitely plan on reaching out to the person developing Stone. I'm not sure yet if I want to switch over to a RaiBlocks system (IOTA has some benefits to it), but it'd be worth talking to him about the scalability of the zkSNARKS implementation. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: harbinger-alpha on January 02, 2018, 02:14:55 AM Guys beware, this guy simply copy-pasted this thread:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0). Stone, Paper Sounds like: Rock paper scissors lizard spock I thought the same thing.. all we need is a scissors DAG & zkSNARKS project and it will complete the whole set. Uh oh. So are both this and Stone scams? Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: tom12392 on January 02, 2018, 02:16:14 AM http://i66.tinypic.com/fwpu88.png The Idea The world of digital cryptocurrency is simply that, digital. While everyone would agree that this is how we will eventually transact, there will always be physical, real-life assets that people/businesses/governments possess. Paper will be the first ledger that allows a user to electronically register ownership of a physical asset, and also allow for the exchange of physical assets through the same ledger. This will be accomplished using a modified DAG (direct acrylic graph) data structure built on two layers. The first will be the Paper currency, the second being the asset ledger, which will track the movement and data of each asset. This will most likely be built upon IOTA, but I have begun exploring RaiBlocks as an ulterior structure (I have outlined my take on both below). As it currently stands, it is just me working on the project, but I have outlined my timeline below, and believe that I can achieve my goals. This is not an ask for donations, or an announcement for an ICO. This is purely to state my intentions to complete this project. Why IOTA or RaiBlocks The value of these next generation ledgers is incredibly noticeable, and necessary for this project to succeed. Both IOTA and RaiBlock’s implementation allow for highly scalable, instant, and fee-less transactions, all on a decentralized network. IOTA: IOTA is far more developed and mature DAG ledger at this point. And technically, it has some advantages over RaiBlocks. Each transaction on IOTA allows for 1 kilobyte of arbitrary data attached, while RaiBlocks allows for only 128 bits total on its first layer. This gives IOTA a distinct advantage when dealing with IoT devices. However, as noted by the article, there could be a second layer introduced which could allow for the transfer of data. Another advantage of IOTA is it allows for off-chain transactions to be attached to the Tangle at a later date. This lets the IoT devices not have to transact online for it to function properly. RaiBlocks: RaiBlocks is the up and coming ledger that has captured a lot of people’s attention, and for good reason. Their implementation gives every user their own mini blockchain. The system makes sense, even more so for the storage of records of physical assets for a user. One of the current issues with RaiBlocks is its lack of privacy. Someone has spoken on fixing this using zkSNARKS (here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0)), and I plan on reaching out and discussing the implementation and whether there is a way to cocreate a solution. Use Cases • The largest use case for me is the global e-commerce industry, as this will allow for an immutable ledger of who owns what, at what time. • Core assets such as houses, cars, etc. This technology could theoretically replace deeds and registrations. Timeline • End of Q1 2018 o Finish mathematical structure and facilitation for storing ledger of physical assets o Begin work on creating hardware/software solution to create distinct key for each physical asset • End of Q2 2018 o Depending on which ledger I implement, this phase will involve reforming ledger to meet demands of this project (This may stretch into Q3 2018) o Release Beta version at the end of this phase • End of Q3 – mid Q4 2018 o Continue development of ledger o Build out API’s and toolkits This is obviously not a definitive plan, just my thoughts on how quickly I believe I can accomplish different steps. As of now, I have no plans to create an ICO, and don’t have an official white paper. I will be focusing on the code to ensure that this project is feasible. I will answer any questions you guys may have on the project, and look forward to building this. Sources/Credits: IOTA whitepaper: https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf (https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf) RaiBlocks whitepaper: https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf (https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf) zkSNARKs: https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/ (https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/) Bitcoin: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) IOTA vs RaiBlocks Technical Discussion: https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e (https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e) Interesting concept... Kind of confusing though how real world assets would be linked to an electronic ledger. What would stop me from listing something that really isn't mine Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 03:20:30 AM http://i66.tinypic.com/fwpu88.png The Idea The world of digital cryptocurrency is simply that, digital. While everyone would agree that this is how we will eventually transact, there will always be physical, real-life assets that people/businesses/governments possess. Paper will be the first ledger that allows a user to electronically register ownership of a physical asset, and also allow for the exchange of physical assets through the same ledger. This will be accomplished using a modified DAG (direct acrylic graph) data structure built on two layers. The first will be the Paper currency, the second being the asset ledger, which will track the movement and data of each asset. This will most likely be built upon IOTA, but I have begun exploring RaiBlocks as an ulterior structure (I have outlined my take on both below). As it currently stands, it is just me working on the project, but I have outlined my timeline below, and believe that I can achieve my goals. This is not an ask for donations, or an announcement for an ICO. This is purely to state my intentions to complete this project. Why IOTA or RaiBlocks The value of these next generation ledgers is incredibly noticeable, and necessary for this project to succeed. Both IOTA and RaiBlock’s implementation allow for highly scalable, instant, and fee-less transactions, all on a decentralized network. IOTA: IOTA is far more developed and mature DAG ledger at this point. And technically, it has some advantages over RaiBlocks. Each transaction on IOTA allows for 1 kilobyte of arbitrary data attached, while RaiBlocks allows for only 128 bits total on its first layer. This gives IOTA a distinct advantage when dealing with IoT devices. However, as noted by the article, there could be a second layer introduced which could allow for the transfer of data. Another advantage of IOTA is it allows for off-chain transactions to be attached to the Tangle at a later date. This lets the IoT devices not have to transact online for it to function properly. RaiBlocks: RaiBlocks is the up and coming ledger that has captured a lot of people’s attention, and for good reason. Their implementation gives every user their own mini blockchain. The system makes sense, even more so for the storage of records of physical assets for a user. One of the current issues with RaiBlocks is its lack of privacy. Someone has spoken on fixing this using zkSNARKS (here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0)), and I plan on reaching out and discussing the implementation and whether there is a way to cocreate a solution. Use Cases • The largest use case for me is the global e-commerce industry, as this will allow for an immutable ledger of who owns what, at what time. • Core assets such as houses, cars, etc. This technology could theoretically replace deeds and registrations. Timeline • End of Q1 2018 o Finish mathematical structure and facilitation for storing ledger of physical assets o Begin work on creating hardware/software solution to create distinct key for each physical asset • End of Q2 2018 o Depending on which ledger I implement, this phase will involve reforming ledger to meet demands of this project (This may stretch into Q3 2018) o Release Beta version at the end of this phase • End of Q3 – mid Q4 2018 o Continue development of ledger o Build out API’s and toolkits This is obviously not a definitive plan, just my thoughts on how quickly I believe I can accomplish different steps. As of now, I have no plans to create an ICO, and don’t have an official white paper. I will be focusing on the code to ensure that this project is feasible. I will answer any questions you guys may have on the project, and look forward to building this. Sources/Credits: IOTA whitepaper: https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf (https://iota.org/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf) RaiBlocks whitepaper: https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf (https://raiblocks.net/media/RaiBlocks_Whitepaper.pdf) zkSNARKs: https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/ (https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/05/zksnarks-in-a-nutshell/) Bitcoin: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) IOTA vs RaiBlocks Technical Discussion: https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e (https://hackernoon.com/iota-vs-raiblocks-413679bb4c3e) Interesting concept... Kind of confusing though how real world assets would be linked to an electronic ledger. What would stop me from listing something that really isn't mine Good question. This really stems from how you received the item. If the item (such as a computer) already exists on the ledger with a preexisting uniquely identifying key, and you purchase it off of someone else, then it'd simply be a transfer of assets from one person to another with the completion of your payment. The issue is when a new item is created, or you want to add an item that previously did not exist on the ledger. If it's a tech product, such as a company creates a new car and they need to list it onto the database, then the machine's software itself would use an API provided by Paper, which generates a unique key linking it to the company/person creating it. If it's a non-tech product, this is a much harder problem to solve. One route I am thinking is implementing a sensor onto the asset, such as a house, could be purchased from us. You would need to specifically tell us what the product is and so forth, and if we would detect that something like it already exists, we would reject the creation of the asset on the ledger. This sensor could also allow us to track the position of the product, such as a package you order. Any time the package stops moving, we would create a new data entry recording that position. Because of this implementation, we would never allow a new key be created for an already existing asset. This ensures that the asset wasn't taken illegally. Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Alphapulsared on January 02, 2018, 03:57:04 AM >>>RaiBlocks allows for only 128 bits total on its first layer.
Care to explain? I couldnt find the notion of layers in the Raibloks whitepaper Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: xibeijan on January 02, 2018, 09:00:42 AM Ummm? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 04:30:51 PM >>>RaiBlocks allows for only 128 bits total on its first layer. Care to explain? I couldnt find the notion of layers in the Raibloks whitepaper XRB's chain uses a 128 bit integer to represent account balances on the tangle. This limits the amount of data that can be passed considerably. Some have thought that using stenography, we may be able to get around this issue. Personally, I would try to build a 2nd layer over top the layer that stores account balances. Here is RaiBlock's GitHub on the matter: https://github.com/clemahieu/raiblocks/wiki/Distribution,-Mining-and-Units (https://github.com/clemahieu/raiblocks/wiki/Distribution,-Mining-and-Units) Stenography if you're interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography) Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 04:36:52 PM Ummm? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'd be happy to explain any questions you may have. Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: alphanorry on January 02, 2018, 04:43:09 PM I love this idea! I have sent you a message. Would be interested in donating
Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 05:22:10 PM I love this idea! I have sent you a message. Would be interested in donating. As of now, there is no reason for me to accept donations. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: cchub on January 02, 2018, 06:40:49 PM What exactly are you publicly pre-announcing here? No ICO, no donations. What do you want from the community here? Prayers? Devs? I don't get it...
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 06:46:43 PM What exactly are you publicly pre-announcing here? No ICO, no donations. What do you want from the community here? Prayers? Devs? I don't get it... This is an announcement that there is more on the way, and to see what the community thinks of such a project. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: cchub on January 02, 2018, 06:57:09 PM What exactly are you publicly pre-announcing here? No ICO, no donations. What do you want from the community here? Prayers? Devs? I don't get it... This is an announcement that there is more on the way, and to see what the community thinks of such a project. An announcement that there is everything more on the way because you have done nothing so far. In theory this is a pre-pre-pre-pre-ann. This is just a waste of time. You should only pre-announce projects that are already ongoing. What you announced was a mere idea of doing something great. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 07:00:07 PM What exactly are you publicly pre-announcing here? No ICO, no donations. What do you want from the community here? Prayers? Devs? I don't get it... This is an announcement that there is more on the way, and to see what the community thinks of such a project. An announcement that there is everything more on the way because you have done nothing so far. In theory this is a pre-pre-pre-pre-ann. This is just a waste of time. You should only pre-announce projects that are already ongoing. What you announced was a mere idea of doing something great. I already have a semi-functioning implementation of it, using a fork of IOTA. I posted this because the project is ongoing, and wanted to gauge reaction and interest in the project. Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: xibeijan on January 02, 2018, 10:04:28 PM Ummm? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'd be happy to explain any questions you may have. What's the thing about ownership of a phyiscal asset? Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Maziin on January 02, 2018, 10:06:25 PM Hi dev, i think that will be a good project, when do you will show us the whitepaper?
Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 10:13:50 PM Ummm? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'd be happy to explain any questions you may have. What's the thing about ownership of a phyiscal asset? That's where the value of the DAG Ledger comes from. Each physical asset you hold in real life will be given it's own ledger (similar to how RaiBlocks ledger system works), which will store that asset's Unique Identifying Key, along with other data points hashed out in the creation of the item. So, say you buy a car from BMW. BMW will have a ledger created at the formation of the car, which will list the true owner of the vehicle (BMW). Once the chain confirms your transaction (using Paper tokens), there will be a new block created under the car's ledger showing the transfer of ownership. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 10:35:21 PM Hi dev, i think that will be a good project, when do you will show us the whitepaper? Currently, I want to focus on creating a working, scalable system before I make a whitepaper. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: p3ngu1n on January 02, 2018, 11:22:06 PM If decent source code is posted, this project will definitely gain great popularity.
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 02, 2018, 11:53:04 PM What is name PAPER for? Because before this ledger, in order for an asset to be under your possession (like a house), you needed an official paper document saying so ;) Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Dizzzzle on January 03, 2018, 01:29:30 AM What is name PAPER for? Because before this ledger, in order for an asset to be under your possession (like a house), you needed an official paper document saying so ;) You have my vote of support! Happy to help (non-tech) if/when the time comes. D Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Maziin on January 03, 2018, 03:41:55 AM Hi dev, i think that will be a good project, when do you will show us the whitepaper? Currently, I want to focus on creating a working, scalable system before I make a whitepaper. When you release the whitepaper, i would like to help in translation to portuguese. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: singleMan on January 03, 2018, 04:41:32 AM Hi dev, i think that will be a good project, when do you will show us the whitepaper? Currently, I want to focus on creating a working, scalable system before I make a whitepaper. When you release the whitepaper, i would like to help in translation to portuguese. me too Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Aluman23 on January 03, 2018, 09:37:30 AM Hope you will finish this project.
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: soros123 on January 03, 2018, 12:20:44 PM dear dev, suggest using Byteball to build the structure
Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: xibeijan on January 03, 2018, 02:18:41 PM Ummm? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'd be happy to explain any questions you may have. What's the thing about ownership of a phyiscal asset? That's where the value of the DAG Ledger comes from. Each physical asset you hold in real life will be given it's own ledger (similar to how RaiBlocks ledger system works), which will store that asset's Unique Identifying Key, along with other data points hashed out in the creation of the item. So, say you buy a car from BMW. BMW will have a ledger created at the formation of the car, which will list the true owner of the vehicle (BMW). Once the chain confirms your transaction (using Paper tokens), there will be a new block created under the car's ledger showing the transfer of ownership. How can you make linking physical assets to a ledger decentralized and trustless? Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 03, 2018, 11:16:10 PM dear dev, suggest using Byteball to build the structure Noted. I don't have much experience with Byteball's framework other than it follows a DAG protocol similar to IOTA and has a pretty decent encryption method. Right now I'm looking into RaiBlocks because its implementation of a ledger for each account would be incredibly useful for this. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 03, 2018, 11:36:15 PM What is name PAPER for? Because before this ledger, in order for an asset to be under your possession (like a house), you needed an official paper document saying so ;) You have my vote of support! Happy to help (non-tech) if/when the time comes. D Thank you! I'll regularly post in this forum so be on the look out. Hi dev, i think that will be a good project, when do you will show us the whitepaper? Currently, I want to focus on creating a working, scalable system before I make a whitepaper. When you release the whitepaper, i would like to help in translation to portuguese. me too I'll note both of you in a sheet. Hope you will finish this project. One thing I can guarantee is that I'll have some working prototype of this. Title: Re: Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 03, 2018, 11:47:37 PM Ummm? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? I'd be happy to explain any questions you may have. What's the thing about ownership of a phyiscal asset? That's where the value of the DAG Ledger comes from. Each physical asset you hold in real life will be given it's own ledger (similar to how RaiBlocks ledger system works), which will store that asset's Unique Identifying Key, along with other data points hashed out in the creation of the item. So, say you buy a car from BMW. BMW will have a ledger created at the formation of the car, which will list the true owner of the vehicle (BMW). Once the chain confirms your transaction (using Paper tokens), there will be a new block created under the car's ledger showing the transfer of ownership. How can you make linking physical assets to a ledger decentralized and trustless? Think of the ledger as an immutable data storage container, which shows each real world asset through it's life cycle. This asset will have it's own chain, where you as the owner of the item can record any information you so choose on the item, as well as initiate the transfer of ownership to any other account you so choose. The main node will simply have every single asset public key - paired with the owner's public key. This greatly reduces data issues as anybody that hosts the full node would only need to store those blocks. The only updates that affect a full node are the changes in ownership of assets. What I'm currently working on building is the master node, this is what will be built on a DAG Protocol Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Verethraghna on January 03, 2018, 11:59:16 PM without the white paper I still think this paper has something to do with the 'scam' DAG stone thread
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 04, 2018, 01:10:01 AM without the white paper I still think this paper has something to do with the 'scam' DAG stone thread I never understood that. How would a whitepaper really prove that it's not a scam. It would take far less knowledge and time to write a paper than to actually develop the code. I'd rather prove this with code than a theoretical paper. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Maziin on January 04, 2018, 02:35:44 AM Hi dev, you already decided how will be the distribution? Faucets?
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: harbinger-alpha on January 04, 2018, 03:21:34 AM without the white paper I still think this paper has something to do with the 'scam' DAG stone thread What happened to Stone? Is that thread still up? Was it definitely a scam? Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: boomchocolatta on January 04, 2018, 06:19:42 AM Cool idea, hope you get it off the ground! Will be glad to help (non-tech) when you need it.
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 04, 2018, 06:24:09 AM Cool idea, hope you get it off the ground! Will be glad to help (non-tech) when you need it. What is name PAPER for? Because before this ledger, in order for an asset to be under your possession (like a house), you needed an official paper document saying so ;) You have my vote of support! Happy to help (non-tech) if/when the time comes. D You 2 have very similar replies lol. Thank you for the support though Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Dizzzzle on January 04, 2018, 04:11:30 PM Cool idea, hope you get it off the ground! Will be glad to help (non-tech) when you need it. What is name PAPER for? Because before this ledger, in order for an asset to be under your possession (like a house), you needed an official paper document saying so ;) You have my vote of support! Happy to help (non-tech) if/when the time comes. D You 2 have very similar replies lol. Thank you for the support though wow bizarre. I can assure you I am not Boomhocolatta haha. I too was watching the Stone thread very closely. Felix, if he is *not* a scammer, is doing a pretty decent job convincing everyone he is. willstarkro I have more faith in you simply due to your willingness to engage and participate in the thread. Stick with your gut and continue working to show something of value, no need to supply a white paper at this stage Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 04, 2018, 04:50:55 PM Hi dev, you already decided how will be the distribution? Faucets? I haven't really put any thought into how it will be distributed. I'm open to suggestions, but it's not my main focus right now. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 04, 2018, 04:52:13 PM Cool idea, hope you get it off the ground! Will be glad to help (non-tech) when you need it. What is name PAPER for? Because before this ledger, in order for an asset to be under your possession (like a house), you needed an official paper document saying so ;) You have my vote of support! Happy to help (non-tech) if/when the time comes. D You 2 have very similar replies lol. Thank you for the support though wow bizarre. I can assure you I am not Boomhocolatta haha. I too was watching the Stone thread very closely. Felix, if he is *not* a scammer, is doing a pretty decent job convincing everyone he is. willstarkro I have more faith in you simply due to your willingness to engage and participate in the thread. Stick with your gut and continue working to show something of value, no need to supply a white paper at this stage That's really unfortunate to hear about the other project. And thanks, I plan on doing just that. Hi dev, you already decided how will be the distribution? Faucets? I haven't really put any thought into how it will be distributed. I'm open to suggestions, but it's not my main focus right now. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: cryptonx on January 04, 2018, 05:03:44 PM have a plan to do an ICO in the future ?
as i read in the OP you are focusing on the code to ensure that this project is feasible for now, DAG will be a new trend after blockchain Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: teoteoteo on January 04, 2018, 05:11:52 PM I will trust in this project only if you: -make it 100% open source -no ico, no premine, no dev fee -100% asic resistant -no hidden fees and taxes ..and all transparent up to your underwear. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Alphapulsared on January 04, 2018, 06:21:08 PM without the white paper I still think this paper has something to do with the 'scam' DAG stone thread What happened to Stone? Is that thread still up? Was it definitely a scam? Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Dizzzzle on January 05, 2018, 12:01:42 AM Not really a suggestion but more of a thought - People flipped out with Stone because of it's privacy features. It looks like the market is really interested in a DAG based Privacy coin.
Have you given any thought to adding privacy features to Paper? D Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 05, 2018, 12:07:28 AM have a plan to do an ICO in the future ? as i read in the OP you are focusing on the code to ensure that this project is feasible for now, DAG will be a new trend after blockchain So far, no plan to do ICO - not to say that I'll never do it, but that it's not a priority. I agree, DAG is the next wave of crypto Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 05, 2018, 12:15:30 AM Not really a suggestion but more of a thought - People flipped out with Stone because of it's privacy features. It looks like the market is really interested in a DAG based Privacy coin. Have you given any thought to adding privacy features to Paper? D Yeah, I mentioned that I would look into stronger privacy features, but I don't want to promise something I'm not sure I can deliver. IOTA's current crypto tool is extremely light, which is what allows the transactions to be so instantaneous. I could implement something like zkSnarks, but the ledger would definitely suffer in speed, especially in the beginning since DAG protocols thrive on tons of transactions. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Lourencoiborges on January 07, 2018, 08:42:58 PM Also watching this one.
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: tormar9 on January 07, 2018, 08:54:12 PM Interesting concept. Would considering donating
I've never gotten in something this early Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Dizzzzle on January 12, 2018, 05:37:37 AM Not really a suggestion but more of a thought - People flipped out with Stone because of it's privacy features. It looks like the market is really interested in a DAG based Privacy coin. Have you given any thought to adding privacy features to Paper? D Yeah, I mentioned that I would look into stronger privacy features, but I don't want to promise something I'm not sure I can deliver. IOTA's current crypto tool is extremely light, which is what allows the transactions to be so instantaneous. I could implement something like zkSnarks, but the ledger would definitely suffer in speed, especially in the beginning since DAG protocols thrive on tons of transactions. any update? Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Afkbio on January 14, 2018, 12:41:38 PM Hey there, very interesting concept.
There is a discord for discussing DAG coin with privacy concept and feasability, if you'd like to join. https://discord.gg/auFsMSD See ya Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: coin8coin on January 14, 2018, 01:48:20 PM Stone, Mana, Azulik, and now Paper
looks like all the same, Dag+ Zksharks。。。。hope dev can make it true.... Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Zenome Platform on January 14, 2018, 03:20:55 PM Wait, where can I find any details concerning ICO? Or did I miss something?
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 14, 2018, 09:52:48 PM Not really a suggestion but more of a thought - People flipped out with Stone because of it's privacy features. It looks like the market is really interested in a DAG based Privacy coin. Have you given any thought to adding privacy features to Paper? D Yeah, I mentioned that I would look into stronger privacy features, but I don't want to promise something I'm not sure I can deliver. IOTA's current crypto tool is extremely light, which is what allows the transactions to be so instantaneous. I could implement something like zkSnarks, but the ledger would definitely suffer in speed, especially in the beginning since DAG protocols thrive on tons of transactions. any update? There have been a few updates on the whole Paper concept. Namely being: Made significant headway on the architecture of the data layers. It'll be a loose backbone of RaiBlocks, with a second data layer that allows for the "Proof of Ownership" model for a physical asset. Currently working on creating a C++ implementation of it. Created a simple website: http://paper.technology/ (http://paper.technology/) just something that makes it sort of official, and announces when I think the beta version will be available. Things are looking good so far though. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 14, 2018, 09:58:33 PM Stone, Mana, Azulik, and now Paper looks like all the same, Dag+ Zksharks。。。。hope dev can make it true.... Again... this project has nothing really to do with zkSnarks. This is a DAG Protocol that will allow for a ledger of physical assets. Thank you for the support though. Wait, where can I find any details concerning ICO? Or did I miss something? No ICO, you haven't missed anything. This is just an announcement that the project will be available soon. Exactly why are these new users doing this? If only they had a better ranking, they could pass some credibility, the curious that always put address to receive donations and always use RaiBlocks as a reference. Well I hope to change your mind about credibility when I release it soon. There's no address to receive donations, and I plan on using RaiBlocks as a backbone simply because it is an incredible piece of tech, and a lot can be built on top of it. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Dizzzzle on January 16, 2018, 01:43:02 AM Hi Will,
(tried sending as a message but didn't go through) I really enjoy your project and the progress you've been making. Im wondering if I can help out in a larger capacity. Like some other projects, this could expand pretty quickly. I just did the branding for another project in similar space as paper. Maybe we can set up a discord together so we can start bringing people in who are interested. And trust me, there are a ton of people that will be interested in Paper...They just don't know it yet :) D Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 16, 2018, 04:35:08 AM Hi Will, (tried sending as a message but didn't go through) I really enjoy your project and the progress you've been making. Im wondering if I can help out in a larger capacity. Like some other projects, this could expand pretty quickly. I just did the branding for another project in similar space as paper. Maybe we can set up a discord together so we can start bringing people in who are interested. And trust me, there are a ton of people that will be interested in Paper...They just don't know it yet :) D Hey, That would be terrific if you could help out. Anything would be much appreciated. I have no idea how to set up any of the channels, and that's definitely a good first step in engaging with the community. Let me know if there's anything I need to do. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Dizzzzle on January 18, 2018, 07:01:01 AM Hey - I've created a Discord for Paper. come join and we can talk in there and get started... :)
https://discord.gg/3hr2ng Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 19, 2018, 04:08:02 AM Hey - I've created a Discord for Paper. come join and we can talk in there and get started... :) https://discord.gg/3hr2ng Thanks for creating that. Joined. Check out the github - I've implemented my own version of the block lattice for transactions, working now on the asset ledger. https://github.com/paper-project/paper Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: 4mane10tori on January 19, 2018, 04:59:39 AM I joined the Discord.
I am not familiar with technology, but this project seems to be the most promising among similar projects. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: BarkingHawk on January 19, 2018, 08:53:32 PM Stone, Mana, Azulik, and now Paper Yeah and they're all junk trying to piggyback off the success of Raiblocks.looks like all the same, Dag+ Zksharks。。。。hope dev can make it true.... Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: antoinnepy on January 23, 2018, 01:17:35 PM Hey - I've created a Discord for Paper. come join and we can talk in there and get started... :) Can you share me a discord link? I'd like to join the conversations. Really interested in this project.https://discord.gg/3hr2ng Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Amicus on January 23, 2018, 03:01:22 PM Watching this project...
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: fengxia on January 23, 2018, 03:06:10 PM Wow,looks like a big bang.XRB and DAG must be next hot topic.
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on January 23, 2018, 05:58:56 PM Hey - I've created a Discord for Paper. come join and we can talk in there and get started... :) Can you share me a discord link? I'd like to join the conversations. Really interested in this project.https://discord.gg/3hr2ng Hi, I've updated the OP to include a link to the discord chat. https://discord.gg/9HsErfP (https://discord.gg/9HsErfP) Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Black_bl on January 24, 2018, 04:23:44 PM Hey - I've created a Discord for Paper. come join and we can talk in there and get started... :) Can you share me a discord link? I'd like to join the conversations. Really interested in this project.https://discord.gg/3hr2ng Hi, I've updated the OP to include a link to the discord chat. https://discord.gg/9HsErfP (https://discord.gg/9HsErfP) Well, Let's watch another DAG project Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Worldtokenindex on January 24, 2018, 04:31:36 PM Great project, Wish u all the success and looking forward to see how this project will shape up in coming days.
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: bonhomme on January 31, 2018, 05:29:38 AM Good luck in this project, looks like it could a very good cryptocurrency if the goal is reached
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Thecker on February 03, 2018, 06:27:59 PM How to attract the community for your project
1 - Faucet distribution can create an activi community, no donation, similiar to Railblocks project, only voluntary donations. 2 - Website 3 - Reveal your identity 4 - Github 5 - Linkedin 6 - Code 7 - Whitepaper 8 - Show the progress 9 - Voilà 8) Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Black_bl on February 06, 2018, 10:41:31 PM How to attract the community for your project I saw you in other DAG threats.. who are you?1 - Faucet distribution can create an activi community, no donation, similiar to Railblocks project, only voluntary donations. 2 - Website 3 - Reveal your identity 4 - Github 5 - Linkedin 6 - Code 7 - Whitepaper 8 - Show the progress 9 - Voilà 8) Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: StoneSoup on February 08, 2018, 01:00:06 PM I wish you the best with developing this new crypto currency. It is going to be a massive job but super rewarding too, both in terms of personal satisfaction and financially. Keep at it and keep us informed. When you have some code and roadmap and white paper etc, will be here ready to donate and help take it to the next level.
Lets see this thing take shape. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 08, 2018, 04:15:01 PM Great project, Wish u all the success and looking forward to see how this project will shape up in coming days. Good luck in this project, looks like it could a very good cryptocurrency if the goal is reached I wish you the best with developing this new crypto currency. It is going to be a massive job but super rewarding too, both in terms of personal satisfaction and financially. Keep at it and keep us informed. When you have some code and roadmap and white paper etc, will be here ready to donate and help take it to the next level. Lets see this thing take shape. Thank you. Supply chain, and item tracking in general is a large and relatively untapped industry in blockchain. Hopefully with the use of DAG, it will be able to reach the scalability and traceability required. I have been spending a lot of time lately reaching out to companies interested in becoming a partner, and have been able to get the largest regional LTL company in the North East to share their process, and work with me in developing a solution to track shipments. Because of this, Paper will most likely not have a public repo as we develop a Proof of Concept in the coming weeks, with the hopes that after we get the MVP going, to build it out further into a public model. I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: StoneSoup on February 09, 2018, 10:20:01 AM Thank you. Supply chain, and item tracking in general is a large and relatively untapped industry in blockchain. Hopefully with the use of DAG, it will be able to reach the scalability and traceability required. I have been spending a lot of time lately reaching out to companies interested in becoming a partner, and have been able to get the largest regional LTL company in the North East to share their process, and work with me in developing a solution to track shipments. Because of this, Paper will most likely not have a public repo as we develop a Proof of Concept in the coming weeks, with the hopes that after we get the MVP going, to build it out further into a public model. I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. So are you saying that you intend to make this a completely private endeavor? If so, probably best to clarify both at the end of this thread and the start announcement page and then lock the thread. Otherwise you will just confuse and annoy people. Will you even be releasing coins/tokens to the public? Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: MonoBank on February 09, 2018, 10:20:36 AM Why did you call it Paper?
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 09, 2018, 02:54:36 PM Thank you. Supply chain, and item tracking in general is a large and relatively untapped industry in blockchain. Hopefully with the use of DAG, it will be able to reach the scalability and traceability required. I have been spending a lot of time lately reaching out to companies interested in becoming a partner, and have been able to get the largest regional LTL company in the North East to share their process, and work with me in developing a solution to track shipments. Because of this, Paper will most likely not have a public repo as we develop a Proof of Concept in the coming weeks, with the hopes that after we get the MVP going, to build it out further into a public model. I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. So are you saying that you intend to make this a completely private endeavor? If so, probably best to clarify both at the end of this thread and the start announcement page and then lock the thread. Otherwise you will just confuse and annoy people. Will you even be releasing coins/tokens to the public? It will only be private for the duration of the Proof of Concept build. Once we get to the stage where we are comfortable having it public, then it will be released. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: StoneSoup on February 10, 2018, 04:19:18 AM Thank you. Supply chain, and item tracking in general is a large and relatively untapped industry in blockchain. Hopefully with the use of DAG, it will be able to reach the scalability and traceability required. I have been spending a lot of time lately reaching out to companies interested in becoming a partner, and have been able to get the largest regional LTL company in the North East to share their process, and work with me in developing a solution to track shipments. Because of this, Paper will most likely not have a public repo as we develop a Proof of Concept in the coming weeks, with the hopes that after we get the MVP going, to build it out further into a public model. I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. So are you saying that you intend to make this a completely private endeavor? If so, probably best to clarify both at the end of this thread and the start announcement page and then lock the thread. Otherwise you will just confuse and annoy people. Will you even be releasing coins/tokens to the public? It will only be private for the duration of the Proof of Concept build. Once we get to the stage where we are comfortable having it public, then it will be released. Ok, thank you for clarifying. Will there still be an opportunity to invest/donate and get some coins or is it going to be all through the exchange only? Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Afkbio on February 10, 2018, 07:08:12 PM Hi, I own a discord server for discussing DAG coins. Every DAG is listed and has its own channel.
https://discord.gg/auFsMSD. Feel free to join us ! See ya. ;) Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 10, 2018, 07:40:47 PM Thank you. Supply chain, and item tracking in general is a large and relatively untapped industry in blockchain. Hopefully with the use of DAG, it will be able to reach the scalability and traceability required. I have been spending a lot of time lately reaching out to companies interested in becoming a partner, and have been able to get the largest regional LTL company in the North East to share their process, and work with me in developing a solution to track shipments. Because of this, Paper will most likely not have a public repo as we develop a Proof of Concept in the coming weeks, with the hopes that after we get the MVP going, to build it out further into a public model. I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. So are you saying that you intend to make this a completely private endeavor? If so, probably best to clarify both at the end of this thread and the start announcement page and then lock the thread. Otherwise you will just confuse and annoy people. Will you even be releasing coins/tokens to the public? It will only be private for the duration of the Proof of Concept build. Once we get to the stage where we are comfortable having it public, then it will be released. Ok, thank you for clarifying. Will there still be an opportunity to invest/donate and get some coins or is it going to be all through the exchange only? I really have no plans on doing donations, maybe if there was enough interest I would consider it. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: StoneSoup on February 11, 2018, 01:20:14 AM Thank you. Supply chain, and item tracking in general is a large and relatively untapped industry in blockchain. Hopefully with the use of DAG, it will be able to reach the scalability and traceability required. I have been spending a lot of time lately reaching out to companies interested in becoming a partner, and have been able to get the largest regional LTL company in the North East to share their process, and work with me in developing a solution to track shipments. Because of this, Paper will most likely not have a public repo as we develop a Proof of Concept in the coming weeks, with the hopes that after we get the MVP going, to build it out further into a public model. I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. So are you saying that you intend to make this a completely private endeavor? If so, probably best to clarify both at the end of this thread and the start announcement page and then lock the thread. Otherwise you will just confuse and annoy people. Will you even be releasing coins/tokens to the public? It will only be private for the duration of the Proof of Concept build. Once we get to the stage where we are comfortable having it public, then it will be released. Ok, thank you for clarifying. Will there still be an opportunity to invest/donate and get some coins or is it going to be all through the exchange only? I really have no plans on doing donations, maybe if there was enough interest I would consider it. After seeing some real code and/or a testnet and some ID of who is behind it all, I would be willing to donate ~$1000 to the project, maybe more in return for some coins, consider it an early investment. I'm sure there are many other willing to donate. Speak up people!!! Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Sam123 on February 11, 2018, 03:48:11 AM Thank you. Supply chain, and item tracking in general is a large and relatively untapped industry in blockchain. Hopefully with the use of DAG, it will be able to reach the scalability and traceability required. I have been spending a lot of time lately reaching out to companies interested in becoming a partner, and have been able to get the largest regional LTL company in the North East to share their process, and work with me in developing a solution to track shipments. Because of this, Paper will most likely not have a public repo as we develop a Proof of Concept in the coming weeks, with the hopes that after we get the MVP going, to build it out further into a public model. I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. So are you saying that you intend to make this a completely private endeavor? If so, probably best to clarify both at the end of this thread and the start announcement page and then lock the thread. Otherwise you will just confuse and annoy people. Will you even be releasing coins/tokens to the public? It will only be private for the duration of the Proof of Concept build. Once we get to the stage where we are comfortable having it public, then it will be released. Ok, thank you for clarifying. Will there still be an opportunity to invest/donate and get some coins or is it going to be all through the exchange only? I really have no plans on doing donations, maybe if there was enough interest I would consider it. After seeing some real code and/or a testnet and some ID of who is behind it all, I would be willing to donate ~$1000 to the project, maybe more in return for some coins, consider it an early investment. I'm sure there are many other willing to donate. Speak up people!!! Agree. Will only donate when I see some source code and/or Testnet. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: bonhomme on February 11, 2018, 04:36:31 PM I will follow this project with care.. the dev doesn't ask $ like others.. seems very interesting
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 21, 2018, 05:03:00 AM Updated the OP with some new information.
There are some expenses that are coming up, particularly with the implementation of the RFID tech. I've decided to open up donations for the time being. If you guys have any questions, I will be available to answer. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: StoneSoup on February 21, 2018, 12:37:06 PM Updated the OP with some new information. There are some expenses that are coming up, particularly with the implementation of the RFID tech. I've decided to open up donations for the time being. If you guys have any questions, I will be available to answer. Have you published any code or have a testnet? I think donations will mark you as a scam unless you can actually show something is really happening. I will personally donate if I see the evidence that this coin is really happening. I suspect you will face a wall of money if you do that. We all want at least one of these DAG coins to happen but pretty jaded with the lack of delivery atm. Be the one that shows progress and jump up in peoples estimation. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 21, 2018, 02:27:56 PM Updated the OP with some new information. There are some expenses that are coming up, particularly with the implementation of the RFID tech. I've decided to open up donations for the time being. If you guys have any questions, I will be available to answer. Have you published any code or have a testnet? I think donations will mark you as a scam unless you can actually show something is really happening. I will personally donate if I see the evidence that this coin is really happening. I suspect you will face a wall of money if you do that. We all want at least one of these DAG coins to happen but pretty jaded with the lack of delivery atm. Be the one that shows progress and jump up in peoples estimation. I realize that it looks strange without having code but, it's impossible to run a testnet because this requires RFID readers and writers to function. This is a physical asset tracker. I can show what the new blocks will look like as well as the code showing an example account chain, but not much else. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 21, 2018, 03:55:37 PM Why did you call it Paper? The process we are replacing is paper filing systems haha. Other than that, I just kind of liked the name. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: StoneSoup on February 22, 2018, 11:11:38 AM I think you should publish whatever code you have so far. People are not expecting finished or polished code, just some evidence that something is actually being done. Weekly updates to this unfinished code will show progress is being made. This gives people confidence, most scammers won't take the time to write real code. I know that some will criticise it but most will appreciate and be willing to donate. You will break a trend here of devs not publishing code and that will win a huge amount of support. I know I'm going on a bit but it is so hugely important.
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 22, 2018, 06:51:50 PM I think you should publish whatever code you have so far. People are not expecting finished or polished code, just some evidence that something is actually being done. Weekly updates to this unfinished code will show progress is being made. This gives people confidence, most scammers won't take the time to write real code. I know that some will criticise it but most will appreciate and be willing to donate. You will break a trend here of devs not publishing code and that will win a huge amount of support. I know I'm going on a bit but it is so hugely important. If you look through whitepaper, you'll see that there has been code created. It just really doesn't make sense for me to make it public fully until it's completely working. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Praedium on February 23, 2018, 02:31:48 AM Cool project. I've been working on a project for trading physical non-bearer assets, hopefully will get around to announcing soon
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 23, 2018, 05:21:14 AM Cool project. I've been working on a project for trading physical non-bearer assets, hopefully will get around to announcing soon Sounds interesting. Definitely let me know when you do. Always like reading up on new tech coming out. Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: CyraxMax on February 24, 2018, 04:22:52 PM So is this scam dead already? ;D
Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: willstarkro on February 24, 2018, 07:04:20 PM So is this scam dead already? ;D Again... this has nothing to do with a privacy XRB fork. If you actually took the time to read it you'd realize that Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Praedium on February 25, 2018, 06:33:51 PM Cool project. I've been working on a project for trading physical non-bearer assets, hopefully will get around to announcing soon Sounds interesting. Definitely let me know when you do. Always like reading up on new tech coming out. Will do! Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: NDLcrypt on February 25, 2018, 07:58:43 PM I will follow this project with care.. the dev doesn't ask $ like others.. seems very interesting Yes, I was also surprised. :) You will seldom meet it now. The project itself is also very interesting, there is an idea and potential for further development.Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Black_bl on March 01, 2018, 12:53:28 AM I will follow this project with care.. the dev doesn't ask $ like others.. seems very interesting Yes, I was also surprised. :) You will seldom meet it now. The project itself is also very interesting, there is an idea and potential for further development.Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Paper - DAG Real World Asset Exchange Post by: Praedium on April 30, 2018, 07:46:21 PM Cool project. I've been working on a project for trading physical non-bearer assets, hopefully will get around to announcing soon Sounds interesting. Definitely let me know when you do. Always like reading up on new tech coming out. Will do! I took a break from this project after starting a new job, but recently found a business partner and picked it back up as swapblocks. Here's the link to our pre announcement: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3456464.0 Just to be clear I'm talking about a separate project from Paper that I had previously mentioned in this thread. swapblocks is not a rebrand of Paper |
