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6. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because the products in question underwent burn
testing for a minimal amount of time and had not be assigned to a customer order at the time of
the burn testing.

7. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because untested products are not finished goods and
could not be customers’ equipment.

9. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because burn testing was done to warrant the product
as fit and suitable for the purposes for which it is sold.

The bad actor problem creates a consumer protection issue for 
bitcoin. When people learn about bitcoin and are lured to products 
and services that do not follow best practices, as opaque as they 
may be in this industry, that’s a problem.

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-27	0.00000020		
Addicted to BFL much? His only effort sofar seems spreading fud and lies 

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-26	0.00000000		
Read his trusted and untrusted feedback, and you know how people think 
about this failure of a human

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-25	10.00000000		
So lost he declares the Monarch as being non-existent vapourware, 
and a couple of hours later is pretty sure BFL is mining with them 
stealing customers coins???? WTF, he's getting dumber by the hour!!!!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-24	0.00000000		
Another fail, thinking anyone would trust him with their money? 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/montessori-observation-montessori-
secondary-albums 

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-23	0.00000020		
13 anti-bfl posts from the weaksauce of bitcointalk bicknellski, 
2 blabla's on the wasp fail nexxxxtttttttt

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-22	0.00000000
dumb and a fool, can't stand other one's success, 
"gonna cry a bit more, then waist my time at the IRS"

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-21	0.00000020		
So desperate for attention he's posting about houses 
bought by BFL personnel?? Jalousie because he lives 
of fees from the people still believing his wasp fantasies???

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-20	0.00000020		
So desperate for attention he's posting in one year old 
topics now??? Wasp update in 12322001 - 12322000 - 
12321099....???????

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-19	0.00000020		
"Numerous bfl lawsuits", since when is 2 numerous?
Numerous is the amount of lies spread everyday by 
Darin Bicknell, only 10 anti-bfl posts today, guess he's 
gotta do something to distract from that wasp fail he 
is filling his pockets with? Again?

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-18	0.00000020		
quote bicknellski; 
"massive rma number for bfl" 
Truth: it's 0.7% lowest of all sha256 asic manufacturers

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-17	0.00000000		
Monarch release countdown 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3........ 
Wasp release countdown 10022000012223 10022000012222 
10022000012221.......

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-16	0.00000020		
Wakes up thinking of BFL 
All day long he thinks of BFL 
Goes to bed thinking of BFL 
what a loser........


Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-15	0.00000020		
delivered units: 
BUTTERFLY LABS: >50,000 
BICKNELLSKI: 0

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-14	0.00000000		
Unfortunately Wasp and previous Bicknellski fails are a faith 
based industry. the only miracle is people still pay him for 
not producing anything except anti BFL propaganda, 
and attacking other project builders that do deliver, 
like Marto7.


Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-13	0.00000000		
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, loooooooooook, he has a render!!!!!!! 
a kid could make in in 2 minutes!!! After how long?????? 
A year????????? lol

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-12	0.00000020		
Diverts from the issue he is paid from wasp fees paid by 
people he lied to, and buys from wasp competitors hardware 
he mines with into his own pockets. caveat emptor!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-11	0.00000020		
Buys hardware from vendors and lets others pay for it through 
his wasp fantasy, are you all fools to fall for it?????

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-10	0.00000000		
Aonther one that knows Bicknell, and how he fills his pockets, 
and brings nothing in return: 
"Wrong Bick Grin 
You are taking your developers time for free and on top they 
are paying you a member fee Grin 
However it is their will. You are not forcing them to donate 
their time and money to your project. 
We have a saying which in English sounds like 
The mad man is not the one who is eating the cake but 
the one who is giving it for free 
Buy the way how are your meetings going lately? 
No announcement no CSS designs and provisioning serves 
Are you still on track? Grin"

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-09	0.00000020		
Completely lost person, thinks everybody is just one 
person, the BFL boss. Me too of course, so I am 
competing "in my own contest". The saddest part, 
it is to be believed this fool runs a montessori 
school??? Really????

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-08	0.00000000		
Quote Marto7: @ Bick 
" How are your online meetings going , any progress ? 
Any working product ? Wink You always prefer to quote trolls 
like Joe and call us scam , instead showing a real mining board . 
You know the fact that we had some problems is not going to 
change the fact that after a years of "hard work" you got , what ? 
And since you are not familiar with Joe's case I assume you are 
just looking for a chance to make us look bad. 
Please , I'm really sorry that we managed to came out with 
working projects and you are still trying . 
Please try better and keep us on your ignore list. Good luck"

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-07	0.00000020		
Darin Bicknell is the Joseph Goebbels of the internet: 
"just keep repeating the lie and it will become a truth eventually".

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-06	0.00000000		
dropped the ball with Klondike, now they know too what a 
fail bicknell turned out to be.

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-05	0.00000000		
9 anti-bfl posts today while not even a customer, from this 
self-proclaimed Jesus the righteous. Repaid everybody that 
stepped in to your dreamworld and lost big time???

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-04	0.00000000		
Bicknellski's play with the WASP is clearly directed at noobs 
and those who are not aware of the minimums in hash power 
required today in mining, stay away before he steals your 
money too!!!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-03	0.00000020		
Posted there are 7,000,000,000 billion (that's 7,000,000,000 X 7,000,000,000!!) 
people on this planet, and this genius teaches children??

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-02	0.00000000		
"Who took 15+ months and counting to deliver 28nm?" 
You bicknelski? BFL did it in under 8 months. 
The 15 month one is you....still waiting on your 115nm 
product, waiting.........waiting........waiting.......

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-05-01	0.00000020		
Already early 2013 advised people to get a refund from BFL 
and jump on Avalon's third batch bandwagon, which never was 
delivered, costing people thousands of dollars/btc

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-30	0.00000000		
was provided a 0% loan from sheeple who believed in 
his fantasies, prison would fit this asshamster just fine

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-29	234.00000000		
Avoid any project he is in, already stole thousands by 
gambling on wrong horses with customer money!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-28	0.00000020		
Careful, made up most of his resumeeeeeeeee

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-27	0.00000020		
Cough -Darin Bicknell- Cough - Scammer-. Cough-thief-Cough-liar 
distracting newbies-Cough-beware!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-26	0.00000000		
Only 2 anti-BFL lies today, bicknellski who scammed 
people out of thousands of $ is losing it? 
"Reason is lost on those with overactive imaginations.", indeed

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-25	0.00000020		
"I contacted that lawyer who won Mr. Lolli's case. After long 
silence he said that $2k deposit is required, his rate is something 
like $200/h and no guarantee he gives. Guess that story 
was just another scam cover operation." lollilollilolli

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-24	0.00000020		
Want to see a comprehensive list of Bicknellski lies, just
read all his posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=
profile;u=76550;sa=showPosts Remember: Bicknellski stole 
1000s of peoples hard earned dollars and btc by failing not 
only to deliver a hardware product on time, he did not deliver 
at all! Millions of revenue from his customers could have 
mined went up in smoke!!!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-23	0.00000020		
Started abusing trusted feedback system on 2013-08-21. Has been 
posting lies in the trust feedback since then, now posts walls of text 
on everybody's trust list even for disagreeing with him


Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-22	0.00000000		
"It's not enough to send you to prison today,' and it will never 
be, because a lying Darin Bicknell, and a bunch of stupid 
statements and rumors ("missed out on enrichment" 
"must be mining themselves" lolololol "bought a 
company car and house for visitors and employees 
to use" boooohoooohooo must be scam because Bickell 
jalousy") will never be enough

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-21	0.00000020		
"It is a link to the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against BFL. 
Not a referral to shop with them." 

There is no class action lawsuit, it is a request to open 
one, but as in most of his posts, it is an utter fail again.

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-19	0.00000020		
Quote: "Eventually someone is going to rollover and 
provide evidence to avoid jail', is this when information 
from your former employers will come through and you 
will be dealt with? Bicknelski trust: -11: -2 / +0(0) 
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-18	0.00000000		
Doesn't know he difference between a request to 
update a filed case to a class action and an actual 
class action, priceless. Have a quarter!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-17	0.00000000		
Although his group buy was refunded fully he failed to 
respond to many refund query's in a timely and professional 
manner. You should avoid doing business with him, 
his trust rating: -11: -2 / +0(0) 
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-16	123.00000000		
bumps up 16 months old threads, what a worthless 
life he must have.

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-15	0.00000020		
cries about wanting a forum where only his likes would be 
welcome, a bfl abuse club, what a joke, how does it feel
to be the joke of the forum bicknelski?

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-11	234.00000000		
Bicknellski has been spamming the trust system for 
months without having any business with bfl or emc 
pool, clearly evidences this Don Quichotte as the 
weakest sauce on the shelf misusing a system for 
his own benefit. What happened is good people left 
this forum because of twats like this.

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-08	0.00000000		
Bicknellski's lie for today: "Yes the hardware vaporware 
they are hawking and the fact some people misread the 
ASIC wave that flooded BTC." The only vaporware 
existing is anything Bicknell tries to pull off the ground, 
fail again!


Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-07	0.00000020		
5 anti-BFL posts today = 5 lies, now (ftfy) altering 
quotes from other people's posts too? 

1 "At what point do you really want to keep some 
one on the payroll that is that delusion / willing to 
lie? At some point that will be a liability legally." 
2 "Remember there are hundreds of unfortunate 
BFL customers that got scammed" 
3 "BFL Scammed millions over a long period" 
4 "And most certainly 50% of them are multis created 
by BFL" 
5 "They stipulated somewhere in the convoluted terms 
that you get a refund when / if they can resell your 
order to others after 30-45 otherwise they won't give 
a refund."

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-06	0.00000000		
Today's Bicknell's delusion: "BFL is working on the 
monarch for 14 months now" 
What a joke, are you living in some sort of fantasy 
world where what you make up is true? 
Stay away of his wasp dream, it will never come true, 
like any of his former failed projects, he even admits 
it won't pay back it's purchase price!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-05	0.00000000		
BICKNELL'S LIE FOR TODAY: "Stand in solidarity with 
the hundreds of customers that got scammed like......" 
AND THEN HE COMES UP WITH 1, REPEAT 1 NAME...... 
No wonder his life is so full of fail, don't trust this 
guy with a single satoshi! The only scammer 
around here keeping his customers on the line 
was Bicknellski and his avalon wet dream

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-04	0.00000000		
Bicknellski's lie for today: "There are so many faux 
accounts on the forums at BFL I bet that fake 
accounts out number the real ones" Delusional 
to the max!

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-03	0.00000020		
Watch out, 95% of his posts are anti-bfl rants, 
mentally disturbed person.

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-04-01	0.00000000		
Does not understand contest rules, Pavlov effect makes 
him post without thinking, completely wrong or just a bit 
stupid?. Hint "registration date, on what site?" Blinded by 
hate?

Pokokohua! -16: -4 / +1(1)	2014-03-30	0.00000000		
Pathological liar. Cheats forum members repeatedly with 
false information over BFL, their employees and their products 
-all successful- while his business fails, has absolutely no 
technical knowledge, qualifies non working usb hubs as bfl 
product failures. Falsely rates people who are producing 
hardware and are an asset to the bitcoin community 
negative, and ridicules any forum member that confronts 
him on his lies. Too bad a lot of these types hang around 
on this forum, no orders but crying scam over legit companies, 
while they are never seen in the real scam topics.

Technical update

With a successful tapeout behind us, we can now safely update the SP30 specs. 
We're happy to announce that the SP30 will be able to hash at 6 TH/s, with an 
efficiency of 0.46 W/GH/s. This is a new industry standard never seen before, 
and the lowest price-to-performance ratio in the market!

Scott Fargo: I greatly respect companies like yours 
that deliver on time‏ and do not do drawn out pre-orders that 
never deliver as Butterfly Labs and KNC.
‎
Guy:  We do take pre-orders for the 2nd gen, but we 100% 
we’ll deliver on time and on spec.‏
We are using the same engine, just doing process shrink.
We won’t take pre-orders for the 3rd gen‏ since its higher risk 
– a completely redesigned engine. We are taping out this week.‏
0.34 W/GHs at the ASIC level‏
0.43 W/GHs at the system level‏ both on the ASIC and on 
the System level‏
Very efficient DC2DC design‏ 28nm‏ not 20nm :)‏
We’re manufacturing at Flextronics Israel‏.

Now, the company's critics have fresh ammunition because of this 
same executive. A federal judge in Kansas has ruled that the man in 
question, Sonny Vleisides, violated the terms of his probation in the 
lottery scam case. As a result, Vleisides’ probation—previously slated 
to end in September 2013—will now continue for another two years. 

Q. And similar to what we talked about before, is ButterflyLabs keeping 
its customers apprised of its progress in that regard?

A. Yes. I think, you know, we had a newsletter that was just recently released 
to anyone who's ordered from us before advising them of the status of the 
current product.

Q. Okay. So, in other words, they're not hiding from the product, that they are 
trying to address it actively?

A. Yes.

Judge:  But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part,
you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to 
get your toothbrush and get your things in order,  because fraud will not be 
tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these 
consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.

I hope Butterfly Labs is a legitimate company that enjoys success. But 
there's a smell, and that's what I'm addressing today.

Hello Helder,

BF Labs, Inc. is offering refunds for any orders 6 months or older. If your order is less than 6 months old, you are not eligible for a refund at this point in time. 
If your order does not ship within 6 months of the order date, you will be eligible for a full refund OR a 50% voucher for an additional Monarch card, OR a doubling of purchased hashrate of our Mining By The GH service. 
Note: if you purchased your product during our Black Friday or End of Year sales events, you will not receive a 50% off voucher.
At this time, your order dates do not qualify for a refund request. 
If the time should come that they reach 6 months past the order date and we have not filled your order, then a refund request would be honored, or the other options mentioned would be available if you would decide to keep your order.
In addition, when we do refund, we use the same means that we received funds. Bitcoin payments would be refunded through Bitpay, but bank wire transactions would be returned in that manner. 

Dennis BF Labs

Hello,

We are not able to take action on your orders until they would become 6 months from the order date.
At that time, once they were eligible for a refund we would certainly honor such a request. 
If you do take legal action, we would be unable to take any further action on your order.

Dennis BF Labs

Imperial Monarch overclocked to 1.6TH/s = 1100W -1200W draw 
(or about 100A @ 12Vdc). 
Feed through 12 (6+ and 6 grnd) 18-20ga wires to two PCIe connectors 
(550W-600W per connector). 
Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. 
Or at best, yet another circuit card re-design/shipping delay.
Adding copper to the power supply plane on the card fixes the 
power plane overheating issue, but one is left with the issue of getting the power into the card.

Not to mention the heat dissipation of ~3600 Btu (per card) each. 
Enough to heat a small well insulated house in a Minnesota winter.

Assuming an 80% efficient supply, current draw "at the wall" will be 
~1500W or 12.5A @ 120VAC (one supply per 15A circuit).

Pretty much condemns this card to one per 4u rackmount case.

Industry standard for 45u-48u racks is a power supply of 4Kw-4.5Kw per rack 
(thermal dissipation into/out of the rack is designed to match this). 

This means 3 overclocked Imperials per rack. Pretty low rack density 
(4.8TH/s per rack).

Could you please stop ignoring completly your customers and answer the 
question? Will we ALL get a compensation after 6 month of waiting or it's 
just for the first batch of customers and F*** the rest? 

Answer the question or I'll have to ask for a refund. I don't want to receive 
my miner at 50bil difficulty without any compensation. Because if you don't 
realize that already, it will go up like crazy (especially when KnC starts shipping) 
and let's be honest they will probably do it before BFL since all shipping info from 
BFL is completly unreliable.

Adding more copper to the power plane is a trivial change. 
The new boards will be in KC on Thursday (I guess that's tomorrow... 
I don't even know what day it is anymore.) last I heard... I will have 
to verify that when I get back.

As a side note, if you are planning on doing any overclocking or running an 
Imperial, please be sure your PSU has 16ga wire for the PCIe connectors. 
If you have a cheap PSU that has 18ga wiring, you are going to be a very 
sad panda at some point I would imagine. The warranty will not cover melted 
connectors due to incorrect wire sizing. Most quality PSUs should have 16ga 
wires for their PCIe connectors.

I am so deeply sorrowed I had to req. a refund because my 20k order has 
become so worthless after delay by delay, its like someone whom I loved , 
took of without a reason. I know it sounds disturbed/sick. But it's true

I don't think there is any debate as to who the market leader is. 
KNC released their 28nm device in october. They are now racing to complete 
their 20nm chip.

Yes BFL shipped a crap load of 65nm devices, maybe more than anyone 
else but they won't publish numbers to verify one way or the other.

As far as shipping this month goes, I wouldn't hold my breath. They might 
get a few boards out to media people and developers by the end of the 
month, but realistically they won't be into full production before mid next 
month if all goes perfectly from this point on.

Here's the math: next revision end of this week (or early next)
At least a week of testing before you can commit to a design
At least two weeks before you can have any volume of boards in your hands
Then they need to get their assembly line going which will take some time (figure another two weeks.)

This puts us in the middle of July, and that's if thins go perfectly from this point forward.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I cant see how its possible to get any volume before mid July.

The very best case is July. The realistic best case is mid July. If even 
one single thing doesn't go perfectly we are looking at August before you see any volume.

I purchased my order in March of 2013 and I know we have been compensated 
once already because of the initial delay (As I initially bought 6 Monarchs, $28K total, 
which then turned into getting 6 Imperial Monarchs and 6 additional 600GH Monarchs) 
but now because of this delay is BFL still looking at another compensation? I know Josh 
stated they were thinking about MBGH but he wasn't sure if that route would be taken. 
Is there another route that BFL may go Josh?