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I don't agree with this system.

You are creating the definition of "Rich people maintain rich, poor people will be poor forever."

sMerit trading's even happening now in Chinese and Russian local, and does it support my theory, all high rank level now they can sell their Merit to earn money and I saw a Cooper Member from another page support this => Rich maintain rich.

Merit is created for anti-shitposter not for trading and how does it go?
It's ridiculous because right now, at this moment, many high rank level member created their own topic in Meta to give away sMerit for those who reply or report their posts. What is that about? We post and we have to report with you (you are not a dev) to ask for sMerit. How about the other members if they don't report?
Rich people scare of the others to replace their place or make profit more than them. They want to take everything under their control.

I guess in the near future, new members or even one-year members must pay for their post to get merited.
Who will get the most benefit from this Merit system? I don't have to reply this question, we all know the answer.

Example: if you was in bitcointalk forum a few years ago, you posted a lot of under-quality posts and you earned Legendary Rank, so it is unfair with new people joining this forum now.

Another one, the high rank level member is not everywhere in this forum. Even a quality post's made and got a lot of positive replies from another member, if none of them read your post, you won't receive any sMerit so your level will keep maintaining low.

And a lot of projects need bitcointalk rank level such as bitsend airdrop (need Legendary rank), so it is much harder if this new system running.

If you are trying creating a block and keep your high rank level people safety, you are successful. Congrat to devs.

And I lose my faith in this forum. I will still read and post in this forum but not in supporting anymore.

Currently, Merit system has been questioned a lots. Group of people, they will cheat by giving their team member, partner, friends their own Merit score, even their posts are spam posts. How are you gonna control that devs?

If a new forum created and quality much better than you, I will go a new place.

Good luck with your Merit score and congratulation to those who reached Legendary rank one more time (by now, they will get the most benefit of all thing in this crypto-world).

Before you create thing devs, can we make a vote in all member of this forum?

And if you decide create this such of thing, can you also create a new ranking level, which is higher than Legendary rank, and Legendary people must work to earn that level?

You're essentially complaining that you have to make high-quality posts in order to participate in signature campaigns.

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If you want to talk about unfair, think about the Hero Members that have created high-quality posts in the past yet are now bummed out of Legendary status because they're 500 merits away.

If you want to point out the Legendary members with shitty posts then I would recommend you to do so. Otherwise, sufficient action cannot be taken against them.

Equivalent example: If something was legal 10 years ago, and now it is not, it is unfair to all the new people that *might want to do it* now. ::)

That's the whole point.

No argument.

You won't be missed.

TWO LEGENDARY come saying.

I love this, Rich people now defending.

I hope listen to more, and look forward how Newbee say.

At first, it seems to be unfair. However, just think and observe at the forum. Most of the posts were just senseless and obviously were just meant to do the required weekly posts or just to boost ranks. I really think the main aim of this forum is for crypto users to learn, share ideas and at the same time to earn (airdrop or camps.) Of course, I wouldn't wash my hands because at first I was just trying to post for the same reason, however, as I stayed longer, it's obviously not worth reading some of the posts and would be a waste of time reading some of the threads because of most users abuse lax community rules and regulations. I admit it too, that the new system  will be difficult for us to achieve higher rank, but take it a good way to learn and to work harder.

I am protecting Hero Member too.

The rank I saying in this TOPIC is your rank "LEGENDARY" in specific.

You got 952 Activity, maybe feeling yourself, "how lucky I am, I got this rank before this merit sh* come out"

If you're starting to see huge sociological consequences and create "Rich maintain Rich" theories, following some internet forum rule, it will be better for your mental health to, indeed, get out of the forum.

I'm not a legendary, am I allowed to agree with them?

You've got 24 hours ;)

Actually Im just few activity away to be legendary and now Im stuck at 500 merit  :P. No complain from me  ( I guess Im not classified as the 'rich' one ? )


Woohoo one of them is me


No you are not :)), you are classified as the 'rich people' :P

If you are still reading & posting, what "support" are you stopping exactly?  
Your "support" to campaign managers, bounties, etc. is not "supporting" this forum, it's supporting your greed, and advertisers and/or ICO scammers.

It's a new system to avoid people from posting nonsense in the forum. Just imagine there are people here that joined, just to be part of twitter, facebook, airdrop and so on, and just posting reports and application forms. This forum was built for people to share and gather information from one to another. What substance will you get from people posting "that's cool", " a great project", "joined airdrop", etc.

I agree with you in part of not worth reading some spam.

However, if devs want to create such as Merit thing, THEY SHOULD INVENT ONE MORE LEVEL HIGHER THAN LEGENDARY. So everyone work for that. In this topic, "Do you think those Legendary people feel comfortable, free, happy and lucky about this merit score come out?"

I am a poor as per your standards and I also think that the concept favors old members. But it is the decision of admin and we as members do not have any control over it.

I agree with that, if devs create new system, then create a new level system too.

Do you know who get the most benefit now?

And those Legendary may be not have to work hard on this forum at all. So should devs create one system, if those who miss this forum in a certain time, lower their level then.

Now I wonder who that can be? :)

What I am seeing is that people still seems to consider Bitcoin as a form of employment, and Bitcoin Talk as an employment bureau and a recruitment medium. It would be great if we could go back to discussing the Bitcoin system, and the way we can use, optimise and expand it. For example it would be really useful if the escrow possibilities were explored, and gained public acceptance.

This was discussed quite a while ago, and I think that theymos said he was open to the idea when enough people turn Legendary. Perhaps you should properly propose that idea, I'd be happy to join in.

Yup that's why we have to stand up and say our opinion. They are a lead, but not mean anything without us.

We can leave this if it become so unfair.

I love this idea.

Make a vote for any new system coming.

Don't act like a COMMUNIST country, president give the law and people only can follow without any right for agree or disagree.

In this case, you are pretty the same, BITCOINTALK DEVS.

Dude, it's a discussion forum, where one can easily choose to not participate in. Don't like it? There's the subreddit, bitcoingarden, etc.

I'm a Full Member - can I agree that it's a good system?  :P

One more Legendary show up and defending.

So you mean American is still British because you are one of them too. Why would you be United States.

My friends and I laughing so hard, "it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage."

What did you invest?

The only thing you did is you joined this forum at early that I don't deny.

Do you think a lot of people in this world, this moment may be their first time to hear about Bitcoin, crypto-currency. If they know such as thing exist, they may join sooner than you.

Let me worry about that, I am working on that part.

Soon or later the decision will be made.

Hello non legendary..  I am not either.. have been on here for 5 years.. but not as close to legendary as you.. but guess what I am not pissed off either.. why? cos I either use this place to trade or learn and if I want to learn I value decent posts..

I hate shit posters in the alt sections, kids who cant rub 100 satoshi together talking about portfolios.. and the latest MOON X 1000 coin..

this will reduce the shitposts.. and I really believe that Merit will be used in the future as credibility in campaigns... this will take over from Hero/Legendary and it will be all about 2K plus merit or 5K plus.. as the quality of posts improve then it makes campaign managers jobs easier..

all in all the forum will be a better place..

i'm Totally agree with that,  I'm trying to develop my Activity over there, then i figure out that the number of activities is stable since 3 days now!! Nothing is changing since then !! for Newbies it'll take us another eternity to be full member or even Member....

not if you contribute.. what are you people not understanding??

be a positive part of the community and the sources will reward you... simples..

Worry about what exactly?


Unrelated to the merit system. You can only gain 14 activity every 2 weeks, which is why it's not going up. If you make good posts, it shouldn't be that hard to reach the 10 merit required for Member.

Haha, Im at 910 activity and got knocked back to hero for eternity now. Cant say it will bother me too much. They should have just reset everyone back to 0 though, that way we wouldnt have any artificial merit.

If decisions are taken based on voting system, it will be in favor of those in majority. This will then go in favor of lower rank members I guess who will never agree for this kind of change. I think this is too early to conclude, we should see how this goes for a month or so.

Legendaries and hero members are at the safe zone now, why would they care about us ? The only thing they are willing to care about is their position. The fact is 99% Hero members and Legendaries feel happy about this merit system even some of them are under-quality posts :). As i saw, there at least dozens hero members and legendaries made 20 posts today but none of them were merited. How sad is this system ? It's a game for "old club boys" not for newcomers like us. :)

You are literally bothered by it, as shown here:


We don't care about shitposters, that's correct.

Wrong.

Obviously. The rank has nothing to do with posting quality (before this new system).

Contribute?

How much do you want to contribute?

And what did LEGENDERIES contribute?

Most of people in this forum used to post a little shitty post.

So you mean the early one posted them is counted, and the later one won't be counted.

Contribute??? Haha

Think before saying

We don't care about shitposters, that's correct.

It's okay , Lauda. I think your life is fulfilled of shits , everything you've said are all about shits. Okay then...

I posted here showing that i missed out on legendary but im not complaining about the merit system yet you throw an attack on me? All i ever see you doing is shit talking other people, sometimes it pays to be polite.

 Im hero as it is, legendary would give me no more advantage over being a hero since if you check my posts i rarely post here anymore and the sig i wear stopped paying out months ago.

Because he is on the happy zone and feeling happy for that.

I am just saying my opinion and let devs think about that.
What would bother them?
Are they afraid of my idea, creating a new higher level so they have to work their ass for it. No one know, except themselves.

The only part of "old club boys" that describe me is "old". I think I've tried to buck received opinion too much to be a part of the elite. - see my posts about REDUCING blocksize, and shortening transaction generation time for example. Despite this, I seem to have picked up 5 merit points for mouthing off about the "system". :)

This is ridiculous. So what if some legendaries and heroes posted shit-posts to get their rank? Who says the world is a fair place, anyway? Why are you even focusing on that? Theymos is aware of that that's why this merit system is created so as to prevent more people leveling up through spamming.  Aren't you glad that the merit system is finally here to make this forum better? Suck it up and contribute quality posts next time. When I was a newbie here, it was so ridiculously hard to look for straight forward answers because there are a lot of spam posts. Now lets just follow rules and move on. Let's hope spammers get their dose of poison through this.

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

You are ridiculous.
Are you sure next time you make a question and the spam posts won't come out.
Prove it now, this new system is running.
Shitty talk happens anywhere.
You can't avoid that.
And I am saying in this topic is the unfair merit system for Legendary rank.
Are you out of topic?

No one giving merit score here, even you. Did you give anyone higher rank than newbies merit score?
We are discussing the unfair system.

So at first you're accusing the system of not being correct at distributing the "wealth" between members....
Then ..


...so can you please make your mind what system we should adopt ?

I see what you did there  ;D darkstar=lauda=lutpin=theymos


For a newbie account you seem to have taken quite a familiar liking to Lauda.

Instead of complaining, offer something better than Merit system what can help to fight with spammers, account farmers and etc. It's always easy to reject someones' ideas when it's not perfect.
In my view, eveything is fair. I think it's something similar with Bitcoin price. You can blame yourself if you didn't bought BTC when it was worth $200 or $500. Same with people who joined Bitcointalk earlier. You are right, man of these people reached high ranks by spamming and making low quality posts. But now some DT members are doing pretty good job by tagging shitposters.
And why someone should really care that you will be not able to participate in Bitsend airdrop and that many new members wont be able to take part in signature campaigns. If you want to benefit from these campaigns, just make high quality posts and you will get more or less Merit points, where is the problem?
I don't know what do you exactly mean that you wont support forum anymore?
But you are Legendary... :/

This one I quote from another topic from another person, "I do and i suggest this ideal because i saw too many bitches stay there in the safe zone and tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?"

And one more thing, I suggest already on my topic, make a vote for every member of this forum. Or create a new rank system which Legendary won't sit still and must work to earn that. Are you clear? Or you ignore that part?

The bitsend airdrop is just an example, for saying all the profit will belong to LEGENDARY.
And no one say about benefit of the campaigns, we are discussing about the unfair system score.
Do you read all member posted here?
And I said once, and I ask you again, Are you sure after this system come out, spam post won't appear?
Talking is our right and why it must be scored?
We are talking our own idea, opinion, thought. So you mean if someone has their own idea but not really help for answering your topic, they don't have right to say?

At least they invest their time sooner than you did, and they spent longer time than you on this forum. Do you really think only assets or currency can be counted as an investment? Grow up please. If I give my energy for posting in this forum it is called an investment too, If I give my time for posting and learning in this forum it is called an investment too. Investment is not bound to assets or currency only and not also about profit.
Let me ask you, if you go to school to learn things, is it an investment or not? I bet you will answer no. But funny fact it is an investment from your parents for your future.

This is also a quote from another topic from another person:


Guess what, that person was wrong.

It's the thousands like him that had the same idea and same misconception are probably the ones that force the implementation of  the merit system. And you are one of them.
Nobody is telling you to work your ass off nobody is treating you like a slave or a bitch.. This is not a forced labor camp, you are free to go and you are free to stay.

And to be honest, since I come form a country that had quite the history with these kinds of things...


This manifesto scares the shit out of me

Good talk sir. So why would you ranking member then?
Then just erase all member rank and just score merit.
So we all know who has a quality post.
Saying and we know you're from another country which the right to talk is not welcome, just follow the rules???
This is not how we make a free world.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Be careful mate, you're threatening to a lot of useless hero and legendaries ....

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.

I've given out merit plenty of times today - not all to established members, I have also pledged merit to people if they can produce 100 non shit posts and then PM me...

see I am giving back to the community.. people who don't bitch and moan like you.

if you came into this with a positive attitude Karma would have your back.. but you aren't so you are alienating yourself from the prospect of receiving any...

in other words you are stabbing yourself in your already bleeding pussy...

After all, rules was made to protect people with positions even i think it's actually worked on the war with spammers... But not with high-rank shitposters.

And at this moment, more people realize the threat of Merit system.

A group of people, friends, teammates, they can spam merit score to each other's post. Their own group or team will gain a lot of Merit score by this kind of cheating.

And now I love to hear what of these above member who believe in Merit system say.
They are so proud of their new system. Don't be so silent.

Hello, all of the above who support this new system, tell me your thought about these Merit cheaters.
I love to hear  :P

Bro just stop this, you're mumbling the same thoughts over and over again, we get it, you don't like the merit system, you don't have to make 10+ posts about it, just get over this bro and move on. This was created for the betterment of the forum hence betterment, if you don't like it then leave but if you don't want to leave then learn to adopt.

Haha you are so funny.
DO I have the right to talk?
If I see cheater or robbery or unfair thing, I just let it happen and adopt ???  ?
If you want to be silent, nobody bother you. Just do it yourself.
I don't ask you to support me, and no one does.
I just want to make a fair thing for every single people. Why shouldn't I speak up?

Damn that’s true, I am fucked :D How the hell am I supposed to pick up 500 merit points to get to 1000 so I can rank
up?
It’s a good thing I don’t give a damn.

If the benefits of the campaigns do not matter then why does the merit system bother you? Yeah that's right, because that's all you see in front your eyes. I know this concept might be hard to grasp but BCT was here way before bounty campaigns and this is not it's sole purpose. I know, bounties are nice, almost everybody has participated in one. In fact I am currently participating in one, and hey I'm a newbie. I still think this change was necessary.

If you think about it, new members who participate in bounty campaigns will actually benefit from this. Instead of sharing the rewards with hordes of spammers and people who have multiple accounts, they will be able to gain a larger portion of the rewards given they post meaningful posts.
Will all the spammers disappear? No probably not. Will people find ways to cheat the system? I guess so yes. Still, it makes the life of spammers way harder and will definitely remove alot of garbage from this forum. This system is not perfect, it has it's flaws like the one you mentioned. But if you look at the whole picture this change is for the best.

I hope as the time passes you will be able to see the good effects of this and change your mind. Even if not, take it easy, this is just a forum. And if your income has taken a big it, well, in crypto business you have to be prepared to take big hits. If you can't adapt, this is not the place for you.

that might be the case, but it overlooks one thing. are high quality posts actually generally rewarded by the merit system? that's the intention, but i'm curious whether that will be the outcome. nothing forces anyone to give sMerit for high quality posts, but i think there are strong social incentives to use merit as a social reward for group-reinforcing behavior. i.e. receiving merit is probably more a matter of a) posting what someone wants to hear, or b) social status, than it is about high quality posting.


indeed! i was potentially only ~115 activity from ranking up to legendary when the merit system was implemented, so it's definitely a setback. oh well, at least i'm not losing rank. i do feel bad for those people who had like 476 activity and now only have 250 merit, mainly because i don't know how effective merit will be at rewarding high quality posters in general.

Heros / Legendaries are now laughing well.

Belows are crying.

RIP NEWBIES.

FTFY

Dont say too many. Do you get my point when reading this topic?
I am asking how to treat the cheater? And point out the unfair thing.
I am done with you. read and think before saying.

Having citizens like you in a country, emmm, I could be an emperor :P
Respecting what admins done democratically isn't a choice after all but criticising it is a must if you will wetness an aberration. (i still support the Merit idea).
Slight modifications was done for few mistakes but I am pretty sure major modifications will happen in the future after the Merit system becomes a DT like system with all its inconvenients (centralised even if it looks not) (well DT system has advantages too which still > inconv imo).

I'm looking past posts of Heros/Legendaries, many of them has spam posts in their beginning of here.
They became high ranks with spam posts, and now telling to ppl "Dont spam!".

You are the one of them. SO shut up

User fogocut21 posted very good thoughts above, I'm agree with things what he said, but I will try to add some my minds.
I read all posts in this thread and many others threads about Merit and I don't understand, why do you think that merit system is unfair? If you will post good content, you will get Merit points. After Merit system was implemented, you still have right to say what do you want, you are only not guaranteed to get Merit points. It's something similar like upvotes on Steemit.
But still, there will be lot of spam, because theymos had to introduce Merit system or something similar few years ago when spam problem still wasn't that serious as now. But at least, now new members will be not able to rank up by shitposting and they will have to work harder and improve their posts quality.
And actually, for me idea which was proposed by hilariousandco looks better - if you want wear signature, you need to buy membership. It would reduce account farming. But we need at least some months to see, how effective is new Merit system

In this case, keyword: past.


But don't worry, I see why you seems so butthurt. The majority of your last posts (7 only yesterday) is "joining X campaign", which is the kind of post that will not get any merit. Thus you won't rank up very soon :-\

It's not unfair.  The first people to a concert get the best seats.  The first people in line get the job.   Why should we kill the early bird?



I am working on something on BPIP (http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/Default.aspx) which will let users easily report Merit they believe has been given disingenuously.  



No, the majority of people in this forum right now are shitposters.

How often are the stats supposed to be updated on your site?
Because the homepage looks like fresh from yesterday or today but while checking using the member UID I see the last update us n 21 or 22

If you are only worried about campaigns and airdrops, then yes the merit system is not in your favor. If you are interested in learning about bitcoin, reading about how it works, reading about advantages and disadvantages, then this merit system does not matter to you.

So with the above statement, you are likely only worried about the amount of money you can/will earn. It is possible to read and learn while earning a few bits here and there. No reason to have a cow because now you have to contribute to the growth of the forum.

I love how all the Paid Sig. Ad spammers are bitching about not being able to Rank up now  :D  Why don't you try Enjoying the forum for what it is instead of trying to milk it for BTC with your Spam   8)

Your cash Cow has just been butchered and Cooked medium Rare ready to serve. (With a touch of garlic)

Enjoy!

Very well said idol, I always remember a saying about this scenario, it is not your fault if you was born a poor one, its your mistake for letting yourself a poor person until you die. We need to make actions to make things happen accordingly of what we wanted. Because as we are growing, we are learning and acquiring own skills and talents.

Looks like the impact of this update is huge!
Many people remain skeptical about the whole update!
I hope the manager can reconsider this update!
What we can't change, we can only do it!

User fogocut21 posted very good thoughts above, I'm agree with things what he said, but I will try to add some my minds.
I read all posts in this thread and many others threads about Merit and I don't understand, why do you think that merit system is unfair? If you will post good content, you will get Merit points. After Merit system was implemented, you still have right to say what do you want, you are only not guaranteed to get Merit points. It's something similar like upvotes on Steemit.
But still, there will be lot of spam, because theymos had to introduce Merit system or something similar few years ago when spam problem still wasn't that serious as now. But at least, now new members will be not able to rank up by shitposting and they will have to work harder and improve their posts quality.
And actually, for me idea which was proposed by hilariousandco looks better - if you want wear signature, you need to buy membership. It would reduce account farming. But we need at least some months to see, how effective is new Merit system
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You say this and I know you don't understand the whole point.

Do you see right now the cheater of Merit Score appear ?

This Merit score will benefit a group of people, they score each other Merit point. And other individual people won't get anything or a long time to gain that merit score from other person.

So what do you say? This Merit system just create more issue beside spam post.

Spam post may be a problem, but at least it will be fair for all people. And now Merit come out, only Legendary has their all profit and people work with group still can spam and get point by their partner and teammates.

How about the individual? Who take care of them?
You???

For me, I don't care how much of this merit I have.  What I care about is that I will never, EVER give any merit points to a shitposter, and it's a good thing that it's a necessary ingredient for the witches brew rank-up formula.   

Love hearing noob shitposters squealing about this system.

The new system has some advantages and disadvantages. The main problem was that the forum was being spammed for commercial purposes and some users were "farming" identities. If let alone, this forum would have lost its reason to exist.

However, the system chosen is quite hard on newcomers. We don´t know yet how much merit will be distributed, but my feeling is that even if you make relevant posts, they may very well be ignored and not merited. Getting from member to full member in my case would require 90 merited posts which for me, yet not knowing how much merit will float around, seem to mean that it will take a year or more.

So the higher rank like you just like to make more difficult work for new member?

i am thinking what if the new member they spam at the beginning, which everyone does and will get mature time by time. Because the old ranking up system is hard and take time.
A new member want to be a Legendary at all system may take at least 2, 3 years or even more. Is it not enough?

And this Merit system is giving all member has the right to giving merit score and my main point is group of cheater.

You say a lot and do you give me a real solution for that.
And I mean a REAL solution for punishing cheater.
If you're gonna say, the system will improve, then you are not in my point.
We all know that, I am here to rush that, because if you don't have that yet, then don't release the new system.
Wait until you create the anti-cheater then do it.

Still don't go straight to the point, how about cheaters sir??

Why would you say about shitposter and don't mention about the cheaters?

Is that because you are on safe zone?

Who care about you giving your merit?

I am posting this one and don't expect any merit from you all.

We are a community here and we joined here in order to learn and not to earn.

Maybe some see this new system as a benefit but some may see this as a problem. We can't do anything about it since we are not the developers. Lets just thank the devs because they created this forum where most if not all of the information about cryptocurrency is here.

In my opinion, I am a full member now and it will be 150 merits away to rank up but I didn't say anything about it. Lets say that some Legendaries now gained their rank because of shitty posts, can we do anything about it? We can't and lets accept it.

With this new merit system, I am at the middle of it. For me, I see this forum as a learning place not a earning place since this forum is created to share information to others. This forum is like an online library for me. :)

I understand you.

However, of course we can do something, even you know it won't be changed.
At least you say and let the developers know this issue and they may or may not concern.

This merit system has a leak and you can check in this Meta forum, some people has discover the Merit cheating.
I am saying here for improve this system to be fair for everyone.

You don't know that for sure, and it doesn't matter anyway if they changed their "spamming" ways.  I suspect most current shitposters would never reform themselves because they are too ignorant and uneducated and unmotivated to do so.  So yeah, hopefully this merit system will be a continuous source of frustration to them.

You are so full of Shit. Re-Read your own post. You have a Sig. Ad. and you claim you are not here to earn?


WTF you Smoking?

My bad with the first part.

I didnt say that I am here just to earn and yes I have signature now. My primary reason why I joined here is to learn ok. I joined signature campaign because I see it as a way of earning and this is just a secondary reason :)

Your name suits you and all the nonsense you've said in this thread alone, along with this meme:

https://i.imgur.com/vqqKNa9.jpg


Don't expect any merit at all.

You come here to let people know you are a troll, or joker or something???

Congrat we know that by your act.

We all seriously discuss the problem and you act like a 3 years old kid.

You can say your disagreement, your opinion and we love to hear. We will discuss about that.

And what is nonsense to you. I am discussing about the new system and the cheaters of this new meta. Is it hard to understand? I am wondering, What and Why was you even reading?

Nonetheless, please don't be a kid.

It was a suggested solution to reducing spam and has been implemented to see how it works out. I didn't see you complaining when the forum was/is completely littered with shitposts. Did that not bother you?

It bothers me either. I agree. However, if dev creates a new system, he should consider the consequence.
I don't like spam post, but I hate unfair and cheating more.

Spam post can be done by anyone.

Unfair only can be done as higher rank abuse lower rank.
And cheating can be done by group of people.

Furthermore, merit may create a trading market for those who have a lot of sMerit sell to who need sMerit.
It creates more issue, don't you see that?

Serious discussion on what problem exactly? I've read through 5 pages of this thread and you've made NOTHING clear. I can barely understand a sentence from your posts, I bet google translate makes better grammar than you.

So, basically OP wants sympathy to lower rank. (Jr-hero) I really get His Idea saying that poor people will stay as poor but I dont consider myself as poor. The only thing that OP. Is conscious and scared of is that he will not become a Sr.member if he will not achieve 250 merits? (Am I right or wrong?). In other words that he want to pursue is how can my payments rate be changed if my rank does not change into Sr.Member then How can he be rich? (LOL).  

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To OP:
any links that will clarify us that you have really supported this forum? Not campaigns?

Did I mention cheater at the very beginning?
And did I mention unfair about Legendary rank?

You are trying not understand because of your act. So innocent.

If you can about others cheating the system so much, then do something about it. I implore you to go around with your detective skills: look for cheaters and report them. ::)

If your posts are of high quality, you should be able to rank up no problem. Unfortunately, I think we are both aware that this might not be the case.

A couple of my concerns would be, are enuff 'source' members in the altcoin section to grant(dang the word) merits?
Is there enough 'source' members in the forum, period?
What is to stop people from awarding merits to they homies?
I seen it posted somewhere in here, and i agree, it would have been better just to reset everyone to 0 and let the quality rise from there.
2 pennies.

Can I ask you a question? How many member is there in this bitciontalk forum?
Even I am willing to report cheater, how is it done by myself?

And why are you saying the impossible thing and ask people do it? But if dev can change the system, which 100% dev can do.
That is the possible thing I am trying in this topic to make it happen.

Another legendary come and say pointless thing?

I am trying asking dev for improve this system. Are you dev?

-Specify this fucking 'cheat' you're talking about. You mean the people exploiting some bugs? It's being dealt with, learn to read kid. The new system was just released, you expect it to be perfect already?

-It's not unfair and it does not favor legendaries.


Shitposts bother you?? You don't like spam posts?? Who are you trying to fool here, yourself maybe?

You fail to see my point. You have done nothing except complain about the state of the community. That in and of itself is pointless.

If you think pollution is a bad thing, what would you do? Post on some forums about how bad it is? Tell all your friends the negative effects of it? Why not go outside, and actually DO something. Pick up some trash. Raise awareness. Help out.

Am I making you angry? What with that "fking" word?

Like I say, act as a kid and want people think you are mature.

Obviously, the new system is not perfect.
That what I am trying to do here. Telling my opinion and let dev know.
What are you trying to prove here? For your past baby action?

Do you understand if there is a group of people, they got their account, and they only give sMerit to their friends. So you think it is fair.
Try to be polite at first.

This is a global forum, everyone can see your action.

@Maveth13 Trolling won't help either.

We should give it 3 months at least to see how it goes. After we will see better the advantages and disadvantages

Now trading sMerit happens on Chinese and Russian local.
And a lot of Legendary, Hero member will be very happy with that. Devs give them a business job and free money.

Why shouldn't they support this Merit system? So ridiculous.

Have you read through this thread? 3 jr. members and 2 newbies were merited for their posts. Some of those was even given by theymos. Clearly this says something about your post compared to theirs.


Then report them. That's one way to contribute to this forum, rather than keeping this ridiculous rant going.

If I can read both of those language of course I will report, but the point is how many people is on trading you can report.
Can you imagine this market (sMerit trading) will be growing up larger than current?
My friends say there is a lot of Sr, Hero Member, Legendary accounts selling their sMerit and we don't know.
We can't detect all of them, and the only thing we can do is let the dev know to shut it down or change another way to block shitposters.

Thank you for understanding my point.
I try to convince people to figure it out but I really need people to support mine.
Thank you dude.

Seems like I cannot even merit and since I am only junior member the statement (rich2rich poor2poor) is total true.
It is also correct that there are too many spam bots but I think the new merit system could potentially discourage new members since gaining merit for them will be even here if your account is unknown.
Also since there is already a list of users that are abusing the system, this could in reality just create another big black market for merit points.
Reminds me a little bit of the prohibition times.

Just my 2 cent.

As per the new merit system, quality posts have to be merited irrespective of whether they are posted from established members or " unknown accounts ".

Can you please define "quality post"?
Quality post is even created but may not be merited.
Who guarantee these high rank level people will merit your definition of "quality post"?

Now sMerit has been on trade on some market. You want your post merited, pay for it in the future. What will you react?
Are you willing to use your own money from your pocket to pay for this Merit score? Think about that.
And who will get the most benefit of this system? Think about it too.

We are trying to remove this new system and you are backing this system up without considering.

I'm really agree with you.this merit system isn't want for this form.this created for legendary people to make money.But if forum need to add this merit system they had to add with a good method.I'm really unhappy with this.Legendary don't feel how lower ranked members feel.

What do you think all this complaining will do ? You want the admins and early adopters to have the rules as per the suggestions of new members. You might be suggesting the right thing but there are very less chances of it being implemented. All you can do now it to accept the rules and adapt.

And I forget to ask you question, what if sMerit will be on trade and in fact, it is happening right now on Chinese and Russian market.

Why would you skip that important part?
Is it because you are happy because you are gonna be able to sell your sMerit and make money from that?
And what is the exact definition for "shitty post" and "quality post"?
What guarantee shiity post won't earn sMerit?
Please you are on the happy land, enjoy it as much as you can.
You don't have to go down to real life, when you're still on the heaven.

Example of some quality posts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2820030.0

You can see that  a  number of members have merited them already.

At least, I try, at least I do something.
Anything can happen in this world, don't you realize it?
If anyone thinks like you, then there is no such as changing thing in life. Everyone only know to obey their higher, older people even they are not doing right thing.
If we feel unfair, we must speak up.
If I can fight, I fight till die.
Live free or die hard. Don't you know?

yes :D We will cry Together, Maybe take 3 year for me become Full member, :'D and 10 year become legendary, even i post meaningfull post, No one give me merit... So Sad, its should merit just for Newbie, Not for all rank

yet again I have given members with a lower rank than you sMerits..

guess why.. cos they are not moaning like you.. you moan, you lose.. you adapt... guess what - you will level up and win the game...

peace out grumpy.

Those two of your example mean nothing in this topic. Prove it the example of Newbee, Jr. Member, Member have that kind of merit score?
And do you know even you spam your post, if I was your friend, I still can merit your shitty post?
Answer this question before going further.
sMerit later on if all people realize it can be trade for money or crypto-currency, and who gonna be give you their merit?
At that time, you have to pay for it.
Are you clear my point?

The forum is gaining over 10,000 signups a day.  It's hard for my little application to keep up.

I have added a link at the bottom that let's you request an immediate update for your stats.

Haha, should I cry for listen this news?
Giving another one merit is the silent thing, you don't have to say that.
And am I asking you for your noble sMerit?
What is your purpose to saying it out loud?
"Wow, you are so generous, so kind." ( This kind of reaction you want we think of you, hahaha )

On the other hand, I am making this topic to protect lower rank member. They don't have sMerit to merit me. So why I keep doing this? Think before saying, don't act as a fool. We know your generosity.

And btw, as I said above, sMerit is on trade now. It is the fact. So the total point of creating this Merit system is turn out to be a trading thing and the win will be your higher rank people.

With this attitude, you may have better luck anywhere else now. A single useful thread can give 100 merits or more depending on how many people find it helpful.

1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823184.msg28920331#msg28920331

2) Let the moderators decide what I post.

3) You can take the shorter route and try to buy. Members are being caught doing so and also being reported. This may lead to account ban.

I only stated it to piss you off...

you see you are a fool, either get on board or leave the boards... its up to you entirely.. but moaning like this will get you absolutely nothing...

Because they doing it obvious on the forum which everyone can see.
How about they doing this on facebook messeger, telegram, twitter, email with personal message?
Who will catch them, tell me?

Why would I be pissed off? My friends and I laughing reading your post. The world needs more people like you. Be proud of yourself.
Let me be nothing and keep moaning my thing.
Why do you even care of it?
Haha, be more logical in your speech.
I do my thing, and you do yours.
No one asks for your help, and no one needs your help.

Not so hard to catch. In fact see your own merit summary:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1186307

It looks suspicious. :)

What is it look like?
He gave me merit and I read his profile, I read his post. I agree with what he saying on that. Did you read his post which I gave him merit? I guess you didn't. He got the same point with me. Please make more research before letting all people know you are an angry kid.

Here is the page I gave him merit, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2779298.msg28935057#msg28935057

I am not doing the dark thing, I don't scare haha.
Should I ask you for a permission to giving my favorite people merit because we are in the same page?

Are you jealous with that?

What a kid!!!

And one more thing, a lot of members pm to support my point. They just don't want to argue with these people, included you. Wasting their time.
I am doing the thing by getting the right for them.

You are not supposed to merit people or posts that agree with you as mentioned in official thread.

Oh in that case, can I consider he make a quality post?

He is saying his own opinion and against another Legendary's idea. That is a quality post.

He is strong, not like you, only adapt people.

We can fight. We won't adapt if we see unfair thing.

Hey don't say much, report him and me then. Haha. You got no point on this.

It is quite funny that you need others to tell you why you made a certain decision.

It is quite funny that because I made decision before you saying that. The decision without your permission already made. Are you sad at that?

I questioned you a lots above. Why don't you answer?
Do not try to ignore it and I won't forget.
Be a man.
Or right now you got no point to say, haha -> digging up my profile and don't even read what another person did.
We are fighting for our right, not obeying like you.

Good luck with that. That's not how people tend to use social media; not sure why it would be any different here. On one hand, I think people will use the merit system as they would "like" buttons. "Likes" reflect social preferences and group norms. On the other hand, people are already treating it like a commodity.

That doesn't leave much room for "high-quality posts." Just my opinion...

have a question here, for shailkumari.why this post is "high quality" post?
AND got a merit from TMAN?
am I smell cheater from here??
so do you mean how powerful you stand for the merit system, then how many merit you can get???
well, I know what is the high quality posts now!!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE LESSON!!!

I gave you a merit as you didn't moan like the op in this thread, trying to encourage a positive attitude.. keep it up beat and try to add value to this place then you will get more

Oh god I didn't even notice that you got a Merit for this short post.

Oh my god, you made a quality post.

Should I let dev know this is a typical kind of HIGH QUALITY POST?

Everyone come to see hahaha.

Grow up and be matured, your greed is blinding you.  The forum is for discussion, and not for earning stuff, if there is, it is just a bonus.  Continue to contribute, work with your quality post not with your whining stuff.  Btw, just asking, do you really deserve that Full Member status?  What have you contributed to this forum?  Look at yourself first before throwing anything to the higher ranks.

you got 2 sMerits for the right attitude..

now you will have 1 to pass on, use it wisely - you don't have to go all fanboy and give it to someone who is more senior than you, help another newbie out who is contributing..

1) Glad you noticed finally. Quality has nothing to do with content length.

2) Thanks

3) Your choice

4) Thanks for giving me free promotion.

Oh we all people just learn how is the quality post.
Thank you for that.
And don't worry I will make your quality post become famous and your account too.

Thank you. but where is my merit??
you just said "I gave you" but dont send to me?
so sad

sorry I didnt actually mean you - but I have given you one anyway as It will piss off durr a bit more

I am not pissed at all. Revolution needs blood and need a man who can stand up.
You two will be famous soon.

By looking at your post history and current signature, I think you are pissed.

Get this straight, I am defending my point and my topic to help a lot of more new members.

This is my topic, I am helping lower member and I know there would be no sMerit for me at all, but I still do it, because I want to make the right thing.

Those two people (TMAN, and shailkumari) came to my topic and against to my point. Certainly, I must defend it, unless what the purpose is creating this topic for. Right?

However, they didn't only disagree, they insulted me, that TMAN Hero Member called me dickheads while I didn't say anything insult him.

I must protect my reputation and my point.

Are you in senses ? Where did you see that ?

Some embarrassing moaning, bitching posts in here. Some of you really need to man up & get on with it. Nobody is ever going to give Merit points out to people who spend their time moaning about the system. It’s here to stay, deal with it.

sorry this is my bad, I mistake you with someone else above.

If you see there is no one support my point, you can say that moaning.

However, you can read, can't you?

There are people support my point and many of them pm me because they don't want to be bothered and abused by your high rank people.

If dev ask for that I got evidence, so how you call that moaning?

If you don't want to argue the issue here, you are welcome to watch.

Don't say a pointless thing here please.

Shame of your high rank level.

I think you’ll struggle to gain Merit due to your poor English, apologies but it’ll most likely count against you.

Lol there is many way to earn merit than that, my friend playing Dota 2, his hero die, he check my post and laugh hard after read your saying. I don't get it until I read your post.

Hey hey, how many ways to earn the Merit, please list here?

We all want to see. And when you saying that we all know you don't get the point.

Do you understand the term of "cheater" that I write above???

And even sMerit trading is now happening?

Read carefully before you post please. And I won't be against with unknowledgeable person? You don't even get the point. Why should I put you in my mind?

You can feel free.

I am going to sleep, have a good night you all.

If I am not replying this thread, I do not quit.

I just work or do something else. And don't read your response yet.

Do not tell me to show up when you know I am not online.

Don't do that on my back.

You are free to leave a comment here, I will read it later.

Not necessary so. There has to be a system whereby constructive posts are made, in order to provide meaningful contribution to the forum. The outcome will be positive, time will tell. It would seem that the value you see in this is mainly the signature campaigns revenue. However, there are other ways to "get rich" on this platform. Numerous opportunities to apply yourself and talent.

That being said, I think I agree with you that a new, higher ranking system to be created so that everyone puts in fair work to achieve this "merit".

I'm newbie and i want to learn everything here in forum since its growing but when i made my profile
and what i always see is a shitpost about opinion and insights.
I wish a technical one to fill my knowledge with but since its full of shitty posts i cannot learn something.

New rule of merits will help you. Also use the search function to find hidden gems (useful threads).

why do you leave one line after each sentence, that's really annoying and makes me want to ignore your posts. You are just making 2 line posts look bigger for your signature campaign. How do you expect anyone would give merit for if you do this.

That's why he's so annoyed because he's never going to get anywhere. If you check his post history you will see he was just happily shitposting by farming his account and reaping the rewards by joining a shitcoin campaign in the process. Just look at his first posts which are all pretty much variations of these quality contributions:



I doubt this is the only account he has which is likely why he's so enraged as those accounts will be worthless without precious merit.


Seems like supporting it to me. And you won't ever leave unless another place pops up that you can easily earn by shitposting and I doubt that will be happening anytime soon.

I have been scrolling reading the comments and all just I see is ranting, maybe keeping the tone down will make this discussion more healthier. I don't see a problem with the post of OP although its a bit annoying, but as I said "trolling won't help either". I think its more fun if their are few who wouldn't be agreeing and some would be defending to this new system. There's no sense of "community discussion" if we will just keep on agreeing things that we don't like.

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As with the new merit system lets give it a try. I am much comfortable to this than to tagging, name calling, cursing, labeling of the other DT members using the trust system.

I have to say, initially i was 100% against this new system, i too thought it was a case of the rich get richer.
However, after reading through a ton of posts and a HUGE mess of complaining, i'm not quite 100% anymore.
While there still is a potential for abuse/hoarding, indifference to 'newbie' members, and overlooked quality posts, I have seen a couple of higher ranking members be quite generous awarding merits.
While this system is by no means perfect, i say shut up the whining and make better quality posts.
I would encourage the higher ranking members to reward the lower ranking members instead of each other(you're already there,why not hi-five in a DM and then reward a lower member)
2c

one merit for you bud..

welcome on board.. why fight a war that you cannot win..

Dear Tman, kindly inform: do you provide escrow service for ICO?

I do not, but Lauda does I suggest you drop them a PM with an enquiry. Although be aware if its a scam or in anyway shady you will have red trust rained down on you!

Many thanks! not, we are not a scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2799867.0

I think the admins of this forum should start a poll before making such tremendous changes on the forum.

Ha Ha, don't you think that Theymos speaks to staff about stuff? why would he ask a public poll? this isn't a democracy it is his forum...

I agree with you. See my post history and you will see i am fighting for the rights of general public of Bitcointalk.

Excuse me, Apologize if I'm wrong. I dont get the point why People complaining with new systems.

Too much negative sounds ==> "Oh my God. Merit is released. I can be 'The Eternal'-Newbie/Member here!. This system is unfair, Lucky for Legendary.! And blah blah blah".

Okay to the point, Merit doesn't stop your activity or contribution in this forum. I will give Merit to user that have good impact for me. Also, can you elaborate more about Legendary get the most benefit of all thing in this crypto-world, are you want talk about Legendary or Ranked People easily Joining Bounty?? ???

If you want to say "Oh, you can say like that because You're luckily in Full-Member". I just can say, you're in Full-Member too.  ;D

 

Before you right this post, do you know how many sMerit Legendary own? Member only got 1 sMerit, we as Full Member have 4 sMerits. And no sMerit for Jr.Member, Newbee, etc. If this Merit given by dev, I am 100% speechless, because dev absolutely can consider what is a "quality post".
But this power hand to the old member (high rank level member), how are they qualified?
Because they were joined this forum long time than us???
And I am sure you don't understand. The bounty campaign is not the whole point, the key is sMerit is now on trading as business.
Do you want to pay real money for ranking up your level?
And many group of people will cheat on this system. I mentioned above, what is the definition of "quality post"?
This Merit system is just a Like button on fb. They like your post, which makes them happy they give you Merit.
But beyond that, trading sMerit will be the real problem. And cheating sMerit too.
Please think deeply before saying. I am writing this topic, I am getting ready to be banned and I won't be in this forum again.
And I fight for the lower rank people not for higher rank, even they support me, I get nothing from them.
In the other hand, if you support them, they give you a bunch of sMerit. Get the point?
What make them say "Oh, you can say like that because You're luckily in Full-Member"??
Full Member is nothing here.
Don't make me laugh.

Lol don't mention any out of topic here.
Focus on the topic, why would you even make this post? For letting the higher rank know you are on their team. Hoping some little reward?
Is this counted shitpost?
This is my style of writing clear and easy to read. Why you judge this here?
You can create your own thread and complain outside.
Keep crying.

Do the same thing such as that Jr.Member shailkumari in specific, dig my profile and ask why I gave sMerit for another person without considering what that person posted. Like another Sr.Member ( 2girls ) agreed with my point, I read his topic and wanted to give him sMerit too.
However, just avoiding many rats like you two, I didn't do that. After digging a long time and find nothing, shailkumari was shut down. He asked question, I answered all of them. But when I asked, he skipped, or saying something else to avoid reply those questions. Is that how a man act?
Don't do a sneaky thing.
Anyone used to scam post at the beginning, including you and me. But in time, they grow up and stop that.
Why you dig it up? Are you sure 100% your very beginning post not a scam post?
But don't worry, I won't waste my time to dig your thing up, my hand will get dirt.  :D :D :D

I did read your post man. I totally agree what you said over there.
But for avoiding rats, I haven't commented on your thread yet. Forgive me about that.
In this rat world, we must be careful. Rats are small but they are crowded and dangerous.

We are still very early on with the merit system. In theory it is a great idea. Let's just see how it plays out. If there are problems, I'm sure they will become obvious and will be addressed. One of my immediate concerns was that some of the more obscure local language boards would turn into merit deserts - but looking at how merit has been distributed so far, this is not the case.

Give it a few weeks at least. Let's see what happens.

OK, I deal with that. New thing need times. This topic created for preventing future negative things. I wouldn't be so concerned if these above guys out of point and started saying the out of topic things here like why you leave on line each sentence (which does not affect the content of the post), or I saw you gave him sMerit and he also gave you, use sneaky ways to attack and the insulted words. And still got shut down at the end.

now for your 100 posts you have had 2 merits..

I have personally given out merits to about 40 people today.. all positive humans who want this forum to be a better place..

as your way hasn't worked, try it my way - embrace the change - don't act entitled or moan..

see what happens then

Lmao, are you threatening me? It seems to be.
But I made my words above, I won't argue with un-educated people, waste of my time. My conversation is done with you.
I will sit tight and see how thing going on.



And Hello Hero Member named jtipt above, this guy leave one line after each sentence. Say something here please. Don't try to kiss ass people.
Shame on you and your high rank level.

I did it to piss you off...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0

see that thread. awesome kid, awesome attitude and if he continues like that he will be a hero in no time

It's pretty clear that he isn't. You should perhaps work on parsing English before assuming such things.

I have to ask. Do you genuinely think that you're going to achieve anything? Do you think that Durr_1412 is going to be the saviour of all bounty hunters and shitposters alike?

People not saying anything doesn't mean that they are scared to. It could mean that they don't agree with you.

While I do not agree with you completely but yes, I too have that kind of reservations about this. However, I just merited you for posting a valid concern, I am sure neither are you rich, nor am I. So your argument about rich becoming rich is complete and utter BS.

However, I DO know of instances where people have been selling merit or just blatantly asking for merit instead of a good old 'thank you'. VOD did this. In the very thread Theymos said its not okay to do that. But hey, its about forum superiority, they were here first and there were able to connect with the right people to enjoy their positions of power. Any smart guy can get there.

Yea, the one on board with the crowd is welcome. It's not a surprise.
Keep those kissed-ass kids. It will help develop the forum.

Hahaha another high rank level help each other out. You guys on the same board. i don't mind.
I wrote the sentence and left line. He censured me. And this TMAN did the same thing and this LEGENDARY named minifrij come to back him up.
We all see how this forum people work.
Is his silence because he doesn't agree or he have nothing to defend himself?
This leave for the audience. Haha

so multiple people tell you that you are incorrect.. but no you still believe you are right. I believe you have some issues young man - Ignore is where you are going now.

Answer my question 1st, DO NOT SKIP IT. DON'T PRETEND you not reading it yet.
Is it because you are Hero Member so he doesn't censure you even you did the same thing as me.
Answer this.

If you all people going on the slow leaking board and no one detect but me, should I go with you on that board?
So funny. Do I have to follow what you all doing?

It's not just affect these shiposter, it's also affect several people who can post properly. Because just a few people like you that's really use this merit system, who want to judge and give merit point to them. Most others does not care.  :(

Not after that you've got your missing 500 merits in no time ;)

Anyway one of the emerging problems in this forum is not only that so many people cannot write in proper English (I am not an English mother-language myself), but that they don't even make the effort to get AT LEAST the title of the threads they are opening written down correctly. Even the title of this thread is confirming that. It's not such a big effort to find a way to put together 5 words in English properly. Right now, scrolling the Bitcoin Discussion section of the forum (and others as well) you can hardly find a title of a thread written in proper English.
Therefore I think that the merit system IN THEORY is a good innovation for this thread. But in practical terms, I am afraid it won't work without some major changes.

Being unable to claim airdrops doesn't censor you. You're more challenged than you seem if you think so.

Lol another one talking out of topic here.
Answer my question above 1st?
Don't run around like a sneaky kid.
Or maybe you really are.

Which one? The amount of unreadable questions you are asking in this thread seems to be increasing by the second.

This one

A single man against a world. Of course I am busy.
And I will leave this topic here.
You can say whatever.
LEGENDARY JOKER.

Which one exactly? Those are the only "questions" I see in the 3 posts you just quoted above:

"Lmao, are you threatening me? It seems to be."
"Is his silence because he doesn't agree or he have nothing to defend himself?"

Actually, what exactly is this post? I only see 10 pages of pure garbage and no arguments whatsoever.

Inb4: Something along the lines of "Hahaha another high rank level help each other out. You guys on the same board. i don't mind."

Then why are you keep reading?


People not saying anything doesn't mean that they are scared to. It could mean that they don't agree with you.
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See that now?? I asked Hero Member named jtipt why he complained my post which I left a line each sentence.
However he say nothing when TMAN another Hero Member left a line each sentence too.
You came and help explaining he doesn't scare. What is that? Haha.
So you think Hero Member can complain me lower rank because leaving a line each sentence and OK with another Hero Member still do the exact same thing.
Don't back anyone up when you are not in case.
Shitpost LEGENDARY.

If you aren't interested in it, welcome to leave.
Defending the one you don't even know and don't know where is my question and what is it about? Then why you come to post?
For making fun???
Many of you against me and still no one answer my question of this topic. It is a shame.
And btw, I think you will ask what question is that.
So the question is how you are going to catch cheater and how do you stop trading if they use fb messenger, twitter, or their own country app to trade sMerit?

Why do you keep attacking people instead of telling us what exactly do you want?

Can you start over again and say what is the point of this post? What do you want to discuss? Post your arguments/questions and I will happily answer/discuss them.

Hello, I don't attack anyone, they come and strike me first.
Please check this thread out.
Just like that Legendary above.
He don't even know what going on and come to strike me for protecting his high level fellow.

My point is the system should create something like anti-cheater app or just shut this system down because sMerit is now on trading. Why give sMerit too many for high level rank Member? And leave nothing for Newbee or Jr.Member??? If those new members find out a satisfied answer for their question. They can't merit because they are low level. If this merit given by devs, I have nothing to say. I am speechless.
If this merit given by these old member, I disagree totally. What make them qualify for that authority?
And I did agreed with another Sr.Member above to leave this system run for a few week to see what is going on. And those higher rank jokers come to attack me. You can check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822726.msg28992718#msg28992718

Maybe its funny to you, but its not funny to me. If it weren't for shit posters, I would not have to maintain a board like this myself : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2165225.20
If it weren't for shit posters the forum search button would actually be useful to find relevant topics.
If it weren't for shit posters FINDING a genuine trade offer on this forum would not be so damn hard.

And stop your bullshit about be getting preferential treatment, the day I joined this forum and naively asked for an unsecured NAMECOIN loan, tomatocage tagged me with a scammer mark. I went up against Quickseller I went up against Vod, Lauda and numerous others on my car brokering thread where I was fuckin victimized for trying something new that hasn't been tried. I have been subjected to racism, bullying and tagged red, YET I AM HERE! because I am not a fuckin shit poster, because I am not a scammer, because I contribute!

I am not rich AND I have been using the merit system the way it is supposed to be used. if someone can't come up with something meaningful to write here, then they're dumb. PERIOD. maybe there are dumb AND on (in?) periods. Who knows!?

And for fucks sake, you MAY say something nice, it does not mean that I HAVE to pay you for it. YES, merit system would be used to PAY users. READ the OP from Theymos. AND QUIT WHINING like a retard. Getting Merit is not a matter of right but a privilege. So is getting to earn from this place.

Merit system may be great for overall forum post quality, but now everybody complaining because they afraid of new system. Now we have 3 kind of users. First kind is newbies. They have no merit and they afraid that they will never rank up.
Second kind is users with small sMerit available. They afraid that they will not receive merit in future, so they don't sending merit to any post and prefer to hold it for bright future or for somebody who will pay for it (yes, I know that it's not good, but there are many Merit traders already).
Third kind is huge merit holders. I don't know if they afraid of something, but I hope that Hero/Legendary members will play fair and spend some sMerit on post that deserve it.  
The main thing that I afraid of, - is that huge sMerit holders will not play fair. How we can be sure that only good posts will receive merit? What about mults? I don't judge anybody, but we all know that there are many mults on forum, you can't run from this. What keeps oldest account from giving merit to his younger mult for some post? The quality of post is subjective thing, so good post for one will be shitpost for another.

Summary:
I'm just complaing like others, but merit system need to get older and users have to adopt to it. We'll see where it leads to.

Then why so many people response these thing? How many people is there joining this topic just telling me quit or give up or attack me?
And 80% of them are high level member. Why do you use this forum, because you want to earn something, who know? Everyone same here.
How can you tell people retard and you are not?
You may be right for spending more time in this forum and experiment up - down thing, but you are still here for earning. May be knowledge, may be real cash. Who know?
A new member come to join at least take 2 - 3 years to become a Legendary, do you think if any spam post can take that long time to reach that level.
I know someone here for five years and still Hero Member. New member of course sometime they just say what they thought honestly. And your high member tell them shitpost.
Time flies and they will learn more about this crypto-world.
That time, they won't spam post no more. You are expecting who join this forum have to be a genius or I won't give you anything if you don't contribute what your high rank people want.
What a ridiculous story.
And a Hero Member named TMAN admit he posted for piss me off. What do you think about that then?
He is not contributing, he is trolling? Who will judge him?
You are here in high level mean you are much older than us in ages literally.
Remember: King rotate.

Just because all legendaries are earning well or people who signed up here wanna earn money dosn't give you excuse that they should spam the forum with useless posts . I mean go look at bitcoin discussion , the whole thread is filled with questions that have been repeated 1000 times already . Also the same answers as the previous ones are in there . Also you are complaining that the lengaderies are getting more merits ! that's to be expected because they actually make quality posts and help others by offering new information, thus, they get rewarded for it , the point is they are not making those posts for the sole reason of getting money , but to actually help others and help improve the forum and they get rewarded in the process for their hard work. I'm a Full Member and I'm happy with this system , I believe it will make me work more on my post quality and put more thoughts into them. Not just post blindly to get paid from my signature campaign. Anyway you will get your merits if you stopped worrying about how much the others are getting. Instead of just bitching about it work for it ,even if you think it's not fair ,well surprise buddy nothing in this world is fair or has to meet your expectations. Lastly give the system few weeks and lets see how it's going to perform . There are members out there who still don't know how to give merits or are afraid that if they give merit it will be removed from their actual merit. Lets work on motivating them to not hesitate on spending their sMerits ,instead of these useless posts.

We can fight merit farming/trading. Remember that everything is public.

Yes, in the short term, there will be some farming/trading. But in the long term, spammers will spend all their sMerits and only merit sources and users with good posting quality will have sMerits to spend (0.5 smerit for every merit you get). Meanwhile, new spammers won't be able to rank up anymore.

Use this formula: the user has made a good post? Give him merit! It doesn't matter if he is theymos or a Newbie with 2 posts.

For example, I already gave merit to Jr. Members with good posts. Do you really want to prioritize merits based on the user's rank?

I didn't understand what you said here.

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Anyway, IMO this thread should go to the Trash Bin. A bunch of spammers won't change the system if the system was designed to combat them in the first place. /thread

Makes no sense to me, this is a forum made for discussion, there should not be any money involved. (I know there is, and it mostly results in cancer if you ask me)

You neither own or administer this forum. If you do not like what an admin implements you are free to leave and/or make it better in an own forum.

My opinion on merit:

If ya'll don't care about merit so much, can I have some?

amen to that

He made that post purposely to annoy you. He says that in just next post.

I do not think that moderators of the forum who came to agreement about this merit system are so much idiots and I think they discussed all possible moments about this new ranking before to update the forum. It may seem to you unfair that high rank users got a lot of merit automatically, but if you are a bad quality poster you will never be able to reach such high rank I guess. I actually do not care of those merit that I have got and will, how it will affect on my activity here?!

I think dev has made it better, there will be a positive and negative impact on the merit system, I think they've thought about it before launching the merit system,

Merit system is preventing shitposters and not to maintain the rich.  High ranks already have previleges here specially hero and legendaries since they are 3 to 4 years in this forum and contributing a lot. But if a lot of shit posters enter the forum without reading and learning from it, its better to make them aware on how to contribute here than to ask questions that answered thousand times already.

This forum has been created for people to create constructive post and it is the job of the moderator to remove those who are creating low quality post. If they are tired to maintain their current system then they should not started this at the very first time they think to create this forum because eventually there will be problems like this to happen. I am not saying that i do not agree to the merit system but in my own opinion, it was bias for those high rank to rank up their account easily before when merit system is not existing. There are a lot of high ranked users who are just passing merits to their other companions in this forum and they are not being banned so what do you mean by hard work ?.

So? A user that joins here to contribute, will not care about their rank that much, and will have no problems attaining merit points. A user that joins here *only to earn* aka shitpost and/or abuse, is the type of user that will be afraid.

Trading merit points will lead to the destruction of your own account.

Being fair =/= sending sMerit. You can be fair and not send a single sMerit point.

While the system is a joke when it comes to obvious solutions to the problems that the forum has been facing over the last few years, the voice concerns are usually even bigger jokes.

Everything has got good and bad. In such a manner while the merit system is created for one purpose and gets used in the opposite manner automatically there happens some correlation. This is the one that makes people believe that merit system makes rich get more richer and poor go poorer. One who wish to make himself learn, tries to improve the post quality and get merit which is a must these days.

It's funny because I was noticing a lot of legendary members writing on the first page about the main goal of the forum is to discuss Bitcoin and Altcoin and it got me thinking.

I'm guessing but I would say 90% of the members on this forum now are here to make money in one way or another. Examples being bounties, airdrops, services and product selling.

So the merit system is brought in to encourage good high quality posting by members which has seen a decline with the increase number of people posting for rewards.

But now we are starting to see services pop up to sell/trade merit for money or return merit.

I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

But then again you would lose 90% of your members and bitcointalk itself wouldn't make money  ;)
So is Bitcointalk now really for general Bitcoin and Altcoin talk?

But hey, I'm just a poor man with a opinion.

Nobody is into crypto to become poorer but nowhere near 90% of the users is responsible for bad quality posting. I don't see how people who are selling services, goods and collectibles are even related to the point you're trying to make.

Not sure if you read it properly not once did i mention bad quality posting. I get sick of seeing spam none readable post myself. I was referring to the fact that it was commonly said that the forum was about discussing bitcoin and altcoins and gave a opinion on how it could easily be fix to take it back to that.
But thank you for your reply.

This would make that 3/4 would move to another board where the bounties and ITO's will be listed and more important all legandary stop making money WHICH they won't let happen EVER !!!!.They love the bounty and make themself most profit and the claim to destroy people to increase quality is just poor BS.
Its about destroying competition and gaining control.
Its a fight to gain a bigger share and NOTHING MORE

so you think that anyone who speaks English fluently at a rank of Hero or Legendary only wants to keep the merit system as it stops people progressing?

Dude - get back on the drugs, take off your tinfoil hat and go get a fucking Job.. please you would do yourself no end of favors, go for a walk outside, go sit in a bar.. actually I recommend you go sit in a bar and try to explain to someone how unfair life is as you joined a forum to make mad internet moniez.. but this fucker Lauda fucked you up with a negative, then this dictator Theymos changed the rulez.. then this prick called TMAN came along and was racist..

Go do that and I hope to fuck you get punched square on the nose, as that is what I would like for someone to do to you right now.. you call Lauda a cancer, look in the mirror and stop fucking moaning.

The merit system is not fair to many beginners!

The novice's knowledge is very few, must learn to grow!

This leads to the possibility that the content of the reply will be added "merit" is very low!

And people who get into BBS very early, you don't have to think about that!

Why? Beginners shouldn't be a high rank. Why would someone who has no understanding of Bitcoin be considered a "Hero Member"?

Exactly. You're here to learn.

Well, yeah.

Right.

To use the words "rich" and "poor" to define the members of a forum devoted to the free circulation and sharing of information about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies is totally perverse to start with. It's true that a higher rank can give you an economic advantage - just like in life does. But that should really not be the first reason to be here, just like you should not be alive only for "ranking up". Life has to be lived for having an interesting life and taking part to a forum has to be done for having interesting exchange of information. Marginally, you can appreciate your rank rising, both in life and on a forum, with the good material things which come with it. But that's a consequence, not a motive.

The whole thread is bullshit, so no surprise there.

The problematic stems from the exact opposite. They see it as a motive, not as a consequence. Additionally, they are often people who: a) Put next to no effort in the *stuff* that they do here. b) Abuse every possible thing (account sales, alt accounts, bounties, etc.). Hence, this system is supposed to not reward such people. Hence, it is very likely that such people are going to complain about this system.

I does partially agree with your ideas. This is my ideas on another topic and its original one. You can check those for more discussions. The current merit system have two-sided effects, both negative and positive.

I strongly believe that it will make the forum a better place, at least in terms of controlling, reducing or eliminating (I guess can not eliminate, only the first two) spamming posts and farming accounts.
In contrast, as I said below, the system also have several serious drawbacks, of course, unfair since its launch.

To sum up, all of those effects will be demonstrated in the future, might be weeks, months (not years). And the system will be experienced huge adjustments surely.

Seems this post asking for equality. There is no such thing. Equality doesn't exist in the real world and this forum has no exemption. In all walks of life diversity and division do exist and rules/laws are made to have base line of equality. 

now it'll be a mission impossible to reach even full member rank :-\

I gave you a merit for being so circumspect. Tman, you really need to learn that you should say what you really think. :)

I think you are right at some stages. But we are not so sure about it. Rich people become more richer and poor people with some extraordinary effirts can cross the richer people and become the richest one.

I am trying to control myself and avoid his posts (in a good manner) or else he will grab all my smerit points. Dat TMAN :P

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Actual ranking level=medium-hard.
After regulating ico spam=impossible.

Why are you not collecting all the proofs and submit it to the moderators or Theymos himself? He will surely ban all those merit sellers. Without proof, it is like false accusations.

I just say what most people think. I am probably on some spectrum for autism or something I guess

Nice to hear that words here the F*ck and the Bulls**t.. LOL

Well, it's just like me a poor member here in the forum trying to earn a single smerit hoping that to meet the required amount of smerit to rank up. Higher rank here much better when it comes profit here in the forum, so, that why many lower rank complaining about merit system.
I also admit my self why it's too late for me to get in here when the merit system is implemented and now it's hard for me to rank up.

As a admins decision, we must obey them were just only a member here if you like the new system maybe it's to go out from this bulls**t and fu**ing forum, (haha just kidding what I mean is our beloved forum.)

Instead of arguing. why dont just help each other to improve the community.To Minimize shitposters and to prevent illegal act like trading or selling of smerit. when the merit system announce. We all know that this illegal act might happen and its happening right now. The dev for sure is aware about this, why not let us contribute. to improve the merit system, to make it perfect, nothing is done perfectly right at first. Many user's  says that this system is so unfair specially for beginners. now for beginners like me. prove to others specially the high ranks that we can also reach them, even were late.  show them what you have.  because they have more experience than you. They know more about what is good for the community. merit system has a lot of advantages other than dis advantages. i think this system can improve the forum a lot more. everything has a dis advantages and it can prevent or minimize.   the benefit that you get in merit system is really good. i think 2years from now this forum is more verry impormative. Many new comers will come and learn quickly because  they easy to find what they are looking at. Many new comers will thank  who suggest this idea.