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The merit system is not working, look the merit points of people on the forum, it does not move (even for the more relevant posts), the forum established a system which was suppose to penalize newcomers flooding the forum with useless post, but the forum penalize itself, good luck everybody, If you think people will give you merit points for free you are mistaken.

With all that Merit stuff whining go there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0


Too early to say that, sweetie. Some people are giving merit but, yeah, a little number.

p.s.

The whole point of merit is giving somebody merit for quality content, not for free.

You aren't right. Look at this stats: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent

Almost every minute here in forum is some post rewarded with merit.

You are right,not all the quality posts are being recognized by most of the people here in forum,the merit system will fail and im sure theymos would do something about this,as he promised he will adjust this when most of the new folks find it hard to get merits.The only good thing about the merit system is,most of the spammers lately are being forced to post quality contents for them to get some merit points.

Merit system is useful to this forum. Because many spam users are easily identify this merit system so potential members are rewarded in this forum.
 But I saw many shit post also rewarded in many section they are all punished in soon because moderator is monitored in merits. The future most spam users are identified.

We all need to wait, and give the new system some time to settle in. Yes it is frustrating to make what you think are quality posts, but get no merit. I myself have not earned any beyond what I was originally assigned - although this may just mean that my posts are poor quality :)

If the system doesn't work as intended, then I'm sure that it will be revised. In general, merit is a great idea, it may or may not need tweaking as time goes on, but we must learn to live with it and try to raise our post quality. If after a few months people have zero merit and can point to a catalogue of evidence of quality posts, then that is better than just complaining after a couple of days, with no evidence.

Also please could this thread be moved to the 'meta' area of the forum? It shouldn't be under the alts section.

Its because you are still a newbie and you don't have Merit and if you don't have a merit you are don't have an ability to send Spendable Merit (Smerit).
Its free if you'll give a good contributing/quality posts in the forum. Just a reminder, don't attempt to buy merits that's not the way you'll earn it.

There are a lot of members now on bitcoin talk.
Maybe you have seen users that don't post HQ posts.
The merit system is not that bad.

I understand the goal of the merit system, but just look on this thread how many points do you have, 1? 2?

I don't want to argue with this. Some people are selling their merit points. If only I have sufficient merit points to give every post that is relevant and has some good point, I would give it for free. Besides, it is not meant to be sold. I don't understand why some people are treating it like a business. The merit system could be helpful only if toxic and greedy people did not exist.

the system has just run and is not easy to get optimal results, takes time and process. we all expect the best for this forum and I think this merit system is the best choice. if you have a better idea of ​​this merit system, please give it here, it's better than you criticize without giving a solution.

This system should definitely change. Merit points must be given unlimited because nobody wants to give Merit in these conditions.

You don't understand how merit works and you created your account 1 week ago, how did you come to this conclusion?

The merit system is still new. Give it a chance to prove it whether its positive or negative. Not many people understand how it works so don't expect everyone knows what to do for now. Change is hard to embrace but remember change is inevitible. Change promotes growth. It may be hard since many are still adjusting but in the long run it may be good. I guess the people behind bitcointalk aint that dumb to establish a system that will make itself fail. So let's just trust the devs, buckle up and see where this will lead.

Complain to theymos.  ::)
Other than this if you don't like this system you can always go to other forums where you can make nice posts about crypto without signatures or at least payed ones.
Bold part is perfect example of flooding forum with useless posts, you are in wrong forum board buddy.

It is not working for you, and if I am to judge you by this post and the section you have chosen to include it, I am not surprised. If you help the community you will get merit. Else...

I think theymos would consider adjusting the merit system. If it continues this way (getting 1 merit here and there), it would take a long time to rank up.

I think so as well, but for now we just need to give it a try and see how things evolve.

Indeed merit system is not working at all. We can go back to the old system and all of us will satisfied.

Most of the people will say it sucks but few of the people here like me that just want to have more knowledge or to learn more about cryptocurrencies would say it is effective,from the past few weeks most of the spammers in the forum has lie low ,most of the shitposter who are posting nonsense from the past doesnt post anymore and for me merit is very effective.

Stop complaining and write something useful. And use correct section of forum, what another merit whining thread doing in altcoin section?
If you are here just to earn something, then try to get your posts worth something and maybe you'll get merit. Maybe not, but it's a right to give smerit, not a rule. So let me repeat - stop whining and do something good or just don't focus on merit and continue to talk freely on forum.

Merit system is created for newbies who only intended to participate in campaigns, especially signature campaign and but doesn't know how to contribute to this forum, they only wanted to earn post so that they can fulfill the requirements of the campaign. But most of this people are only spammers.

Merit system is the way to discourage people to join signature campaign especially for newbies.

Thats my conclusion on this merit system, and I really think that it is working because only few newbies are posting and most of them are just joining Facebook campaigns and Twitter campaign

I get what they are trying to do, but I don't like the fact that because I am a newer user, I have a zero score, where accounts that are older already start with 100. I feel that's not really fair, We should all start on the same level and then the great replies will get more merit, and the spammers and poor replies won't receive anything.

You have gotten an example like this one. This is not my first time to see newbie is complaining about the merit system. Rather than make this thread and it may better for OP to discussing various topic in the various section too.

There is a lot of people are very active to discuss in here. I've seen some people always earn more and more merit.

But the result will depend on how vital our information to others.

Merit requirement in each rank is indeed too hard to achieve thats why theymos will definitely agree to adjust it or to be lowered so most of the new people here would have a chance to rank up,because most of the people doesnt want this new merit system but few others liked it because it prevents spamming in our forum.

The merit point is to prevent spammers and multiple account holders who just post anything to write quality post. Let all wait for some months before we can conclude is good or bad. To me is better and will force anyone to contribute constructively

I think we can just be patient because something ", wrote a program that imposed it all is meaningless kedepanya later, because we certainly do not know for what purpose this new merit.

I think the only way to stop scammer here is merit system. This is the best way to make posts of all users quality and beneficial. Some people before merit system was not put quality posts and just getting higher ranks without any handwork. But know only those who have ability to write quality posts will be get high rank while those who are unable to write quality posts will never get high rank. So we are appreciated this system.

 maybe  it's too early to jump a conclusion ,just like me , i really need my precious first merit, so i tried to follow the rules, just post  quality and be constructive, I'm sure  you will be rewarded.

I actually didn't know that older accounts started with 100. Kinda beats the purpose don't you think?

If you really posting quality contents this wouldnt be a problem,if you are a shitposters like most of the people here you definitely has a big problem.Spam is one of the most relevant problem here in the forum,most of the shitposters are just doing what they want from the past few years thats why theymos started to think how can he regulate these people,merit system is now the main reason why most of these shitposters will try their best to post quality contents.

maybe now the merit system does not work well, but I believe the next few months merit system will work well and effective, because this is new so do not quickly take the conclusion give a chance merit system to show it.
I guess the people behind bitcointalk are not stupid to build a system that will make itself fail. So let's believe it and do not just complain. because a change will always need a process.

I think merit system is not a failure, but people are still trying to adapt to new things, I'm sure people will start to give merit to decent people, but I agree with you in one thing, people are racing more to create new posts, although not qualified, because just to get merit

Why did you say that merit system is failed? It because the merit is the additonal system to rank up? It because its hard to get a lot of merit? What you think will the creator of merit expect on your subject. I'm not disagree on your post but the creator of merit will be disagree on your post.. I hope you will understand what i want to say. Thank you..

I see this new system as a spammers remover and completion of the "ghost".
But there are still many who are stingy to give merit to a quality thread. Because they are scared if they aren't give merit back. Btw could it be those who give merit to a bad quality thread. Who have more than one account so they gave each other their own account.

System is not perfect yet, some good post were missed, some of lower quality were merited. Give it some time.
But overall this should stop rank farming.

Still you can read and search high quality content on the forum.
I really do hope that merit system will show itself as a filter and will remove tons of shit-threads and clone-threads.. or at least will make their amount lower.

I don't agree that merit system isn't working.
There is noticeably less spam and everyone is trying to write meaningful comments now!  ;)

Well merit was established to help us recognized which users are really providing constructive and qualitative posts so that those who are not deserving will not rank up because the increasing number of shit posters around here which is why I think the moderator created this kind of system, in which we should take on it as a challenge.

It was never about the merit, which perchance is a new implementation, attempting to improve the quality of responses and relevant information. These forums and threads are still an exchange of ideas and suggestions, where though deserving merit will be given, that should not be the focus of our responses.

Merit is given to those who deserve it. Did you make a thorough study on the current merit system that made you conclude that the system is not working? What is your basis or its just because you don't get merits on your posts that's why you concluded that the merit system is a failure. Its not even more than 2 weeks, give it a chance.

This merit system is kind of headache for the new comers. These merit points is hard to increase and it will be more difficult to increase. I thing that this system is for removal of some spammers but it is bad for the real users.

We should have patience. The system is still new and people need time to accepting and to use it. In maybe one or two month the system works better. I have no worries about the merit system.

I agree it will not reward all the good posters and some will try to abuse it

however it does slow down and hopefully will eventually destroy the bots and useless account farmers.

Even better if they merit starts to erode massively with reports (found true) of spam and bot posting. False report = loss for reporter.

I think that this is a very useful function and it has a perspective.
The main thing is to add clarity and more sources to get Merit points.

i realy dont understand please what is the benefit

System doesn't work very well. Admin will try their best to enhance the rules in BTT forum. I hope they will adjust the merits system otherwise it will be complicated on this forum.

I agree. Unfortunately, not all members in the forum who are posting or replying in threads are given their due share of merits even if they are really posting quality contents or materials. It's not that I am saying that the system is a failure, but it is not fair to those who are not recognized. Also, how about for those people who have "connections" that they have built over the years that can give them merits on a whim as compared to those starting up member who are just clawing their way to gain a higher rank. I think that there should be some tweeks on how the merit system works so that everyone can rightfully gain and rank up.

I do not quite agree. I started to see more quality posts. But the system is very crude and not worked out. I hope they will change.

Merit system can be necessary in order to filter spam/low quality posts but it needs to be improved. Basically now few merits are distributed and it is almost impossible to raise your level.

I was one week away to become Full Member now I need 90 (ninety) merit points in order to be promoted. We passed from a system where it was too easy to be promoted to one where it is almost impossible to rank up with the current merit distribution

The creation of the Merit system to avoid creating accounts and manipulating the forums is not reasonable and makes it difficult for people who join the bctalk for the long time ago. Indeed merit for someone to me is not very comfortable because the interface of forum merit does not stimulate me to give merit to the quality writers. Also, I realize that most people are going to give merit to each other to increase their account rankings.

Absolutely expect the unexpected. But this is not rightful to say some words that you didn't know what was going on behind in our capability to see all bitcoin communities doin. Even the merit system will not work properly let us still be educated in this forum. Let us avoid saying negative words to our fellow members. Just do what you can until such time the good member will give us merit without any kind of return as you stated not for free but hopefully you are mistaken. As far as I know not every person is the same.
Please provide some evidence who is/are that person who wants to pay for merit.

I don't think so :). I think it's working really good by preventing account farming activity :). Your account will be useless without merit so nobody can farm account for sale anymore. LOL. People whom often moan about this cause their post quality is not good enough to be able to receive Merit point from other member. Try to increase your post quality and you'll see how good Merit is working atm :)

I totally agree with you.There will no one who would be ready to give its only merit point to someone as he is unsure whether he will get it back from anyone.And involving the ranking system with merit point is just not fair as if someone who is Sr.member and just after this announcement of merit he becomes Hero member by activities but definitely he will not have that much merit points and he will have to wait till 250 merit points more to get and that is invincible task according to this situation.This means people are stuck with there ranks and that is not good at all.

I would modify the merit system. Now without merit you can not increase the level of your account. I would allow to increase the level without merit in the usual mode, but with merit in the accelerated

i think this merit system is extremely hard for a normal member to rank up, it takes to long for a member to complete 100 merit to reach Full member because there are not much people want to give away their merit to another person, the rank up system can not work without anyone willingly to give their merit. i think this problem should be fixed to be more compatible to the community.

I don't want to argue with this. Because i don’t know anyone here in bitcointalk. So why And who well Give me Merit ?. but I hope forum moderator make this system for good future all of us.

Just relax, and wait for it to percolate throughout the forum. It hasn't even been a week yet. Merit was created to address a problem, and I believe that it is doing so relatively well.

Besides, you've got at least a month before you even need to worry about merit, due to your rank. So why care so soon?

Anyone could give you merit if someone acknowledge your post/comment as constructive and informative or if you had given a useful information that will help others. I don't know much about the technicality of the new merit system but I think that it function like the activity and got delayed to add on your profile when someone give you a merit.

I think Merit was very good idea. The merit points needed for levelling up compare to posts needed for levelling up is not very good. But has been just a week. Give it some time and will see how it is working. I bet that could be changed if the results are not right.

Anyway it is a step forward.

the old system is very ineffective to maintain the quality of posts
there are so many people who use multiple accounts just to follow a signature campaign
so they throw away their shit post to raise activity and rank

I believe that the Merit system will help get rid of multi-account! It's worth giving her time to prove yourself! But how to understand, the user deserved his own merit or just bought it? My opinion - do not reduce the *trust* of the user who bought the merits, but we must remove his merits!

This merits system for me helps to find multi account but it has also negative impact to thus who are newbie in the forum and it is very favorable to who is on higher rank, even if you have a very good constructive post but no one is giving a merit then you will stuck on your rank and to all newbie can't join any bounty campaign.

I appreciate the intention behind the merit system, but the realization is terrible.
The only result is to block the situation, with legendaries with too much power and with new members with no hope to grow
(the problem in merit scarcity: even if you write masterworks, you need to hope that who read the post and appreciate it has merit to give. I can't give any merit)
If the system won't change, it will be the death of the forum.

I absolutely agree with you about this damn system, people never give you merits without money.  :-\

the number of people who can produce merit is very small. the number of merits is limited. it is very difficult to achieve a level with these conditions.

It's a pretty good system in theory.
If they allow each user to generate a small amount of merit over time to distriute maybe it will improve.

The merit system was created to control and make sure people post HQ post either than just spamming.with time i guess it will be of great relevance

Merit cannot be distributed but Smerit can be. However if Smerit is generated over time. Then those people who have multiple account will rank up faster then anyone who has only one account.

I think with the merit system will reduce the spam because to do the post is no longer answer with sober but it must be useful.

The merit system has not even started. At this moment there are many users that are exchanging merit with other that are friends or alts or are just creating fake users. But merit is limited, so even if it takes a while, that will come to an end because all those users that are spamming will not have new merit to give away.

As I understand the system, the only way in which it can become corrupted long term is if the sources of merit are farming or giving merit to posts that don´t deserve it, and even then the harm is limited.

Quality post or coment you make thats the only matter you need to think about, if you post really worth to give merit people will give you merit anyway. Not for free cause you need to make quality post it self.

The merit system is very new right now.Many people are not getting it what it is exactly which is actually causing a problem for some.People right now exactly don't know how to increase it or how it works.We should for this reason wait for a while and then only we can judge whether it works or fails.

It's kinda difficult when merit system was applied here in this forum. Since merits are given by designated members, its subjective. But I do think that it would address those spamming members low quality posts.

I personally want my account to progress to full member because of the privileges that comes with it, but any system that is unregulated eventually fails. So kudos to the moderators for this. I just hope they would be generous with the merits.  ;D

Well now that its borderline impossible to farm up an account but at least the overall quality of the boards will go up a bit. This system might be a bit crude still at the moment but at least it is solving a problem. Especially here on the alt boards where in a lot of topics literally every 2nd post was made by a farmer.

I can not understand the meaning of this merit at all, the cryptocommunity does not have the best time and the forum still complicates everything.

just wait for the result, for now we better to be quite and try to master this change. Too early judgement  for this new system makes a person foolish, so just ride and do s wide view to see what is need to be change for this merit.

In life the only thing that is constant is change. We should learn how to accept certain changes in this forum especially when the change is going to bring something good to us;quality post and spam reduction for our great forum. The merit system I think to me is workable!

Based on what I haved observed many posts even though they are a constructive one and provides useful and meaningful information people do not give them credit, and it's either they don't have remaining smerit points or probably they don't want to merit them because they don't like the user or they don't like his post, or he is not familiar or known to him/her.

I agree, it's really hard to get a merit for newbie/junior members. I have noticed, that many members with senior ranks are sending merits to the members with the same rank, it seems that no one likes rivalry. I completely don't like this new system, as for me it's not really fair to the members with junior ranks. I doubt that there will be a lot of Hero/Legendary members in case if all posts of those member would be reviewed and merit points given if deserved. Yes, maybe it could stop spammer accounts, but it will also demotivate and stop regular people interested in cryptos. I'm sure that almost anyone who is registered here would like to participate in not only crypto related discussions, but in some bounty campaigns as well.

Sorry padcoin, but you should help theymos and team by sending links of those quality posts you think should be merited and haven't been merited. If you read the op of the merit system, you shouldn't have said it's failed, maybe you want to become a merit source and I think with your good eyes and thought for detecting relevant posts, you should gather at least 10 of the posts and open a thread in the meta section asking for merit. I think that way, yourself will become a merit source with ease.

It's only weeks old.  Give the system time to develop.  Sure it takes some time to get merit but you don't need any until you get to member and then it only takes 10 merit.  Takes at least 2 months to get to member status.  Make some decent posts that are related to the topic and you will probably get enough merit by then.  Sure it's not perfect but if someone is writing crap they definitely won't get merit... which is why the merit points were created.  Seems like a decent system to me.  

The part that doesn't make much sense to me is the merits can go to legendary members who don't need the merit.  Sure they are the most deserving on a lot of there quality posts but they don't need them for anything other than it shows they write quality posts....  but the merits are then halved and so half of those merits given are wasted.  Seems like any merit given to a legendary member should stay whole.  A legendary member that gets 1 merit should then get 1 sMerit to send.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0;topicseen

In this post Theymos received hundreds of merit on writing the merit system.  Sure they did a great job and put a lot of time and thought into it, and people agree with the system so gave merit but ... Why does an administrator need merit??

Yeah, nobody will give us merit except our self and friend.

I think you're in the wrong thread, you can raise your concern here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0 It's going to be competitive match to all of us doing a signature campaign. Guess what we need to workout all of our campaigns and make a huge profit after the ICO by just joining other camps.

Yeah, I also agree with you. Merit is good to incourage the member to post quality to be recognize and receive merit but even though quality post posted by someone some member are greedy to give the merit and pretend they haven't the post.

For me.merit system really works because most of the shitposters has decreased from the past 2 weeks,they arent not polluting our forum maybe because they cant farm more accounts anymore.If theymos really dont intended this merit system to resolve the shitposters well he is lucky it worked for most of the people here,he should adjust the merit requirements so people can still rank up fast.

Merit system indeed fucked up the entire ranking system of bitcointalk,but the main reason why theymos put this system is to eliminate those shitposters and spammers in the forum which is clearly working,most of the shitposters are gone there are less spammy posts,so for the greater good this really works im sure most of the people wont agree to me because their ranks got fucked up.

The merit system was established to encouraged every bitcoiner to make a constructive post.  It is also intended to limit spammer and to minimize the flooding number of newbies. And I think this can make the forum healthier.

Unfortunately, I agree with you that it does not carry out its goal because nobody is willing to give their merit no matter how good or constructive your post specially if they do not know you personally.  I guess merit system can be used in political agenda in this forum.  If a person know many friends here, they can use their connections to gather merits but in return, they are also expecting that they will receive from you. Only famous people can only gather merits or somebody will ask something in return just to give you merits.  I hope this aspect will soon realized by the moderator.

actually, is it true that people are just chasing high ratings in this forum? is sr member or above is the goal in this forum? actually I do not know what the merit really is, many people just want to read the post, without leaving a trail or anything, unless they do not like the writing that we make or just spam, they can report it to the moderator

i think merit point so work and it make member in this forum difficult to up rank.. it sad to other member because not all member in this forum doing spam .
of course now new people in this forum so many. but to take merit point not efficient for old member

Theymos did a very good job establishing the merit system. But for me it will really take a long time in leveling up to a higher rank because not all people are giving merit most especially to the ones who are really answering the question and with a really relevant answer. Hopefully somebody will gice merit to those who are really doing relevant posts and because they really deserve the merit.

Well, it is quite difficult to get merit points, it definitely required changes so that new members can get merit points with some good activity. But giving unlimited sMerit points is not a solution.

I don't mind about merit anymore. I just keep on loving what I do here in this forum, to enlighten and share my opinions regarding Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. I don't even care if I'm a Senior Member for the rest of my life because I am not after ranking up anyway.

I'm happy to be a Senior Member even if it takes me forever, coz' it takes me a very, very, very, very, very long while to reach 500 merit or more. I'm just being grateful for what I have. Giving me merits unexpectedly is just a bonus for me.  

Despite that we do all need to rank up, it's just that the merit system is a way for us to get rewarded if our posts are helpful, or sending a merit if that post really helps me a lot.

Overall, I'm just happy to be here. Crypto changed my life. ;)

That's bullshit though.  Look at which posts in this very thread got merited and tell me why they were deserving and others weren't.  The only common theme seems to be that they defended the merit system.  Is that what the system was created for?  How is that any different than the circle-jerks that the "upvote" or "like" systems perpetuate?

There are lots of problems with the merit system, but the one that stands out to me, other than the arbitrariness (not sure if this is even a real word but the spell checker seems to think it is lol) of the whole thing is that there are just so damn many posts created on this forum that it's impossible for them to be judged on whatever metric of usefulness that is supposed to be used.  It also isn't cutting down on spam either.  I still gloss over 90% of the posts I see because they're just the same sentence being regurgitated using varying degrees of broken English to answer the OP, with maybe a handful of people actually responding to other posters and furthering discussion.  Instead of worrying about likes/merits/epeen-measuring-contests, I'd rather see a 4chan style system that tags responses to each post with mouseovers.

Disclaimer: I honestly don't give a crap about the advertising privileges or whatever it is that a higher rank is supposed to grant since I block every single ad on this site.  Yep, the annoying banner ads, the signatures, and every other eyesore that's on the default site.  Is there a membership or something that I can buy to get rid of all of that shit?

Well ofcourse Merit system is new not all of members here at the forum know about it. Only those bounty hunters are the only one concern about it. Dont hate about this system because it is highly effective to reduce spammers and account farmers bro.
Although getting merited is hard it is still not possible just continue being yourself and post informative and constructive post to be appreciated by others.

I agree with you, the reward system has a confusion. There are systems that do not recognize my nick

I admit that I was very upset about this new merit system (I was just a week far to become Member, now I have to wait ten merits. And to become full member is an illusion).
But now I see that it was the only solution: yesterday theymos wrote a very good post, explaining that if the merit system won't work, the only alternative will be to shut down the whole campaign system.

So, with all the complaining you can make, the goal was to stop spam and shitposting, and this was achieved. Stop.

Now, of course, there is a lot of space for improvement: at present the system seems to me too rigid, too favorable to old members and there are too few merits in circulation.

Theymos said he is open to any suggestion of improvement, so - instead of complain - it's better to make any effort to make the system work and - if we had ideas to improvement - to propose them.

I agree with you. With so many member in this forum there will be some difficulties gaining merits. For me, I will contribute good quality post, I don't care anymore about the merit. If someone recognize my post and give me merit "thanks" and if no one recognize it "thanks again". I am not here to gain merit and wait for months just to rank up. I am here to join a campaign and earn some extra income. That's the truth and I don't want to be hypocrite, I am just being true to myself.

There are advantages in this system I know all of us is adjusting in this merit system, first me myself is forced and now being conscious of what im posting in this thread, second spammers find it difficult to post in this forum. But there are disadvantages, merits is hard to obtain by ordinary people here in this forum as what others says some quality post are not recognized by others, and people is not conscious to the post of others and keeping their merit for them self and dont know where to share it or give it.  maybe there are ways to improve this system. This is only my opinion.

I agree with most of the comments. there are a lot of member now in this forum. The best way to monitor good standing members that those who create quality post is really putting merit/s. This will really help create a much better platform.

I do agree to a degree that the merit system may not be entirely fair because it is based on human ranking human and there might be a bias or some favoritism attached to people meriting certain individuals or posts, even though there are other posts more deserving of being given merits.
On another note though, it is a system effectively working to eradicate cheating and spamming which has riddled the forum of late. Maybe there can also be some bots giving merits, like an AI bot created to give generic merits to decent posts. I wonder if such a bot can be created and if it could render the merit system to work in a fairer manner? I just thought it could be a good idea in this case.

For some members that are already reached higher ranks then they're not affected by merit system but for those who want to earn tokens and coins through signature bounty campaigns - merit system is not a good idea.
They said that merit system is the tool to eliminate spams and flooding of posts and comments but the intension is very clear. The only members who could join and earn tokens and coins are the higher ranks like Full Members up to Legendaries.
In my personal experience, I really don't care whether those comments are in good qualities and impressive but it doesn't mean they'll earn my sMerit because I don't want to waste my sMerits I would rather send it to my alternative accounts because I'm sure it could help to increase the rank rather than helping to increase other members ranks whom I personally don't know.

Now, you'll see a lot of accounts that were stuck on having 10, 100, 250 and 1000 and they're barely moving. Why? Because indeed nobody cares on judging whether the comment is quality or not.
In my personal opinion, I would never give to anyone whom I don't know my sMerits because I would rather share it to my alternative accounts than giving it to other members.
Even if you consider your posts or comments having a good quality but still nobody cares. There's thousands of posts happening in a single minute in this forum but I know less than half of hundred of sMerits are given between accounts. And most of them are alternate accounts.

The merit system got long way to be successdul, because we need more sources to generate them so people will receive more and more merits in future. So in ~ 1 year all will be ok.

I don't think there is a problem with the merit system, but a problem with those giving them out. Perhaps it is not being clicked enough or users are still not aware of how things work. Not everyone logs in everyday, and if you were off for a few weeks then the announcement would have been missed completely. Give it some time and lets see how it pans out

It will take time for Merit System to work as it should be. Don't cry for merits and try to make quality posts. What can I be agreed with , is that we need a special Thread when people really give Merit points to others because until now , most of us don't want to spend the merit so I think something that forces us to use Merits is a must.

Truth be told it doesn't seems this system will work nobody is giving out their merit even if you make good post merit is a scarce commodity on the bitcointalk forum.

I suggest implementing a demerit system instead. Where in we can report spam and shit posts. After a certain number is hit, then that user will be banned for a certain time period.

I think it works fine. It is really a lot of spam at the forum. Yeah, it is hard to get merit but you should try if you want new rank

I admit that at the beginning I was very upset with the new system, in just two weeks I expected to be promoted as Full Member, now I have to earn it hardly. It seemed to me impossible. But I saw that I'v earned some merits, so it's achievable.
May be it will need more time, but this will make the rank more precious.
And at least will have lot less shitposts, the situation was really bad.

So, it's too early to judge, and probably the system will need some corrections, but we are moving in the right direction.

To be honest, I am disappointed with the new system because I've been waiting for only 1 week in order to rank up this account. However, when I saw in the requirements that merit should be earned in order to rank, I was so shocked because there are lots of new in this forum. Just like what others said, it will move in a right direction because shit or nonsense posts will be less because of the new strict system and I'm doing my best to make a constructive and useful post so I'll earn merit in the future.

Some of us still have to do more in our content and punctuations. Making good post is not just tied to talking about bitcoin and cryptos but it encompasses following the rules of English writing.

About the merit system, it could achieve its merit if there are adjustment from the modes otherwise, some good posters will remain in their position because they are not favoured .

why the forum penalize itself? merit is just for the ranking. you don't need rank if you're here for the information only. even if you are a bounty hunters newbie and jr member doesn't know about it so i think if you are a newbie or jr member and you know about the bounty campaign i guess you are an alt account of somebody.

maybe the merit system is not working at the moment, but it will start performing as this forum will surely grow and grow. It is good to have a system as merit one which will help ranking members for posting quality articles and comments. Not just farming accounts.

Chill everyone I guess they are experimenting also let us wait. Don't judge them quickly I know they will adjust anything after their testing phase. They just want to erase all the spammers here at forums because it's for the sake of everyone here. Let's us wait guys and give them credit also for always giving their best just to helps us.

I think that merit system isnt working.
It would be ok at least to cut requirements for promotion in half.

maybe in the next future admins will change things... if they realize that it is too hard become hero or legendary they will change something..

I see many complain about this merit system but I think there is a new progress for this bitcointalk forum so we will find many more great projects for the future.
and spam systems will be useless.

The idea to appreciate the worthy posts I like but people are too greedy and do not want to just give away these points, the sale of their coins begins, and I think that's not right

This system closely resembles other forums and rewards those who make useful posts. But I think it will not work out that only half of the Merit you get turn sMerit. A section like ours that for now does not have anyone with the ability to generate sMerits and it can be difficult for someone to achieve this privilege (and few people will probably), it may be that one hour the system becomes saturated and it is difficult for someone to have sMerits to donate. There could be a daily or monthly quota of sMerits for distribution, which would increase according to Rank, to avoid Merits trading.

System rewards quality comments.But the system does not know people's selfishness  ::) It is very unlikely to be able to get in the way of merit friendship.

I would say that most of readers, answer seekers and  information seekers on these forum are selfish on giving of their sMerit even though they are satisfied more enough on the answers that they seek.

I think that,  what you believed are the same of what most of users believed that they rather share their merit to their alternative accounts than giving it to others That's why there are plenty of users that are abusing the merit system
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.msg28920985#msg28920985
Imagine if all users thinks the same on using their merits on their own welfare, will this forum improves?, will it contributes on this forum?, did it reduce the number of spammers and shitposters? and the answer is No. Merits are meant to give to others for the efforts and trustworthy answers and also are made to rates how good, how helpful, how reliable and how trusted a post are.
ABUSING YOUR SMERIT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO DO, WHY? ITS BECAUSE IT MAY LEAD YOUR ACCOUNT ON HAVING RED TRUST OR IN WORSE SCENARIO CAN LEAD YOUR ACCOUNT ON PERMANENTLY BAN ON THIS FORUM.
its better to play safe than play in a risky way.



 

And I, on the contrary, think that thanks to merit, there is less spam. Because it seems to me that people began to follow what they write and for whom they write. Previously, messages like Hello, Nice project and this kind were very nasty to read.

The merit system works as because i have send my sMerit to somebody and it went through. But I am yet to receive any merit from anybody despite my activity in the forum. I think most of the members are yet to understand the system.Hording your sMerit will not help you give it out so that the system will work and achieve it purpose.

Give it time, it's only few week from the start  of new merit system. People need time to learn  about it and how to use it.  I think it to early to make judgement about work this system or not.

Personally for me it's seem to high 1000 merit for the legendary, but we all come to crypto not for 1 years, right? So  keep calm and make good posts.

I think merit has a upper level and it must be 1000. Why can we send merit Legendary i dont understand and people give them also. Why ?

I would not agree with you fully :
- practically people are thinking what are they writing now and that decreased a spam a lot;
- even a good comment can bring you some merits, but it is not easy, I would agree on that.
- It got very difficult to handle multiple accounts now as you better focus on one and that means less spam again.
Perhaps it is not perfect but I think it provided some value.

The merit system needs some improvement, but it was the only possible answer to shitposters invasion.
Please note that theymos wrote that - if the merit system won't work - the only alternative will be to ban completely the signature campaigns.
So, instead to complain, I think that it's better:

a) to put any effort to make the system work, with good posts

b) if we have ideas to improve the system, to suggest them to theymos. It's very simple to complain, harder to offer solution.

And I'm very optimistic that me too I'll start to collect some merits :-)

I think you're wrong. The merits system is very good but not balanced. Just need to increase the number of "creators of merit" and lower the number of merit to increase the rank several times.

The new system is not perfect, but
most agree with the fact that we need to solve the problem with meaningless messages.

I think we need more time, merit system is basically very good for the forum. It will eventually be ok, it is too early to  complain.

Perhaps the merit system is not an ideal option, but what to do. This is one way to protect yourself from the usual flooding

Can't say that it doesn't work. It's like 2-3 weeks since it was invented into this forum. It needs time; users will get used to grant merit to others and it's movements will kinda speed up. Just some time I think.

I think the idea behind the system is good , it reduces shitposts and account farming . This whole forum was pretty bad for the last few months , but the merit system definitely needs some tweaking.  

People do give merit to others, but it doesn't happen really often and doesn't mean that a post is of obviously high quality. Maybe somebody would give merit to smth he finds useful, or funny, or a person meets smb from another end of the world who shares all his major life values.

I agree,  by implementing  the merit system, nonsense posts are reduced and the forum is looking good now compared to the previous months. Many people are still angry of this implementation especially those who  were farming accounts but of course they can't do anything  about it anymore. It was the moderator's decision and they are just doing their job.

True, i see a sea of relevant and quality posts but people seem to be stingy with their sMerits. I for one don't give out much merits because i feel that if i give it to this post i won't have a merit back. But hey, the merit system is still young and the system is fairly new. Maybe we should have a courtesy type of deal where we give a merit and we get a merit back. Bht then again, the whole purpose of the merit system will be mute. Let's wait it out and I'm sure the moderators and adminstrators will make a smart move in the future

There will always be pros and cons for any change. A positive and negative side for everything. Now if you are more inclined to looking into the negativities if things,  then you won't be able to move forward and all you will do is keep whining senselessly. Try looking at the bright side,  the positive one. Now I believe that the merit system has more of it than the other side. It's just a matter of fully understanding how things work so that you could get a grasp on them. But if you intently refuse to accept things even if you do understand, then that's just plain selfish. And all your stress and frustrations will be all on your own doing!

Yeah, we need time to adjust to new merit system.
i personally think that this system is quite good, less spammer, but also disadvantage for newbie in bitcointalk forum.

if the merit will give us according to the post thread is good and useful. and we will be given if according to the number of posts that work may be up again level is not it so ??

If that's the case, maybe it would be better if like that because sometimes it is actually depend on thread and its about on how do you post it.

well, that just a new system.. too fast if u judge merit failed. we just dont know what is a criteria a good comment as merit need, that the problem. we think our comment was good, but maybe its not count as good comment in merit system.

number of merit is a prove of your work on forum. I do believe people will give it to you if you make a good content of post that usefull for community.

And what you wrote here is a good example of a shitty 3rd world post by someone trying to write in a language they don't really know.  What's the purpose of you writing this?  It contributes nothing, even if you wrote it perfectly--which you very much didn't.  Stick to the local boards.  You're never going to get merit points by writing such drivel.  You're the whole reason the merit system was created, IMO.

You can find how much merit is being given out and how frequently here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent

Stop kidding and spamming the forum, bro. You will get nothing from spamming after the launch of Merit system. In fact, the system has performed perfectly at least in the objective of controlling ranking-up progresses of spammers

To clarify, only constructive users can get Merit points from others. Please stop complaining, starting to contribute in order to earn Merits you eagerly wanted.

Gaining merits are supposedly hard, if gaining merits would be easy then the mods' preventive measures for spammers and rank farmers would be negated. Yes it is hard but it's not impossible. Plus the "only good thing" you said is a huge improvement for the members as well as the forum.

Only a little people knows about Merit right now, it is hard to see a someone got a merit in the bitcoin or altcoin discussion. :(

The merit system is better working than red trust color overall in the forum. There are many nice and helpful threads written by all ranks. If I were able, I would have distributed already thousends of merits to newbies, legendaries and all between them.
There is rarely a harm without benefit. That way I can save a lot of reading work. :) So I do not envy the sources.

Maybe something like a star or some kind of mark somewhere in the post or near the name of that reply, so you know it's a quality post. Something like that would be nice if you're scrolling through the spam. Yeah, I'm giving out 1-2 merit points (so I can distribute it more among users) to show that it's there and to remind people about it.

That is a great idea. Maybe you could also suggest that in the main merit thread.
But we need a sophisticated system to point out the right merited posts...... Seems to be difficult to me, the longer I am thinking about it.

For now I see some positive and negative aspects of this system. There is definitely less meaningless posts around but at the same time there are more meaningless threads. This is primarily due to the fact that people see that OPs receive more merit points. But I think this phenomenon will disappear soon.

If you againts by the decision of theymos and what should do best things for this forums just it for in arrangement for goodness and safest of member on scammers and spammers that making shitpost and topic that not related on bitcoin and crypto discussions.Dont be imagine it is bad,If i have 100 merit and i send what i can like post with good and being constructive i should decrease my merit and no problem on me because we are new and inspired to post with quality and back again merit while you make a perfect or have quality or fully knowledge criteria and dont go for rushing time to take rank and activity,Being obedient and respectfull is needed in this forum and not for personally intentions or needed.

I agree.  Finally DT members can get positive recognition for something, instead of just receiving complaints about negative trust.

I like the new merit system, and I think over time it will really help the forum.

You are being a judge in your own court.

The merit system is working. I started to work on my post quality when I read this post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828892.0. You too go and read and see how you can improve too.

Complaining will not remove the merit system.

50 merits for the OP !!! In my opinion that is a pretty obvious indication that it isn't working. There are many far better guides than that.

the merit system is working fine my friends but if you have 10 merits, your merit number is now 1. so; you can only send 1 score to other people.

I don't have anything against the merit system ,yes it is good but my point is will a junior member that post constructively stay as a junior member for 1 to 2 years on this forum if he don't get any one to give him merit point? Will this same junior member reach a post of 1000 post and still be a a junior member while a hero member who achieved the same 1000 post results some year back be the same rank? The merit system is going make rank irrelevant. Imagine junior member, Activity 1000 and Hero member activity 1000. Thats it make sense?

I do to and I'm also glad that I don't have to neg the garbage posters, which is something I felt was necessary before the introduction of the merit system.   That was not a great use of the trust system, I'll admit, but the outcome was positive overall.   And the sheer number of topics being created by noob shitposters complaining about merits attests to the new system's success.  I'm definitely satisfied with it.

I've not seen many merit posts being given out on general threads across the board. I know it's happening somewhere, but I've been keeping an eye out and it's not as common as I feel it should be given the requirements to rank up.

It's still early days and maybe people get used to it, but early impressions are that it's not quite balanced correctly.

Im so sick of people who got their merit for free, talking about how its perfect! There are a lot of us who got trown under a train just because we got here a week or a month later! But 99% of you who talk how its good and bla bla bla didnt have to post anything else but bounties and you got full bags of merit for free and now preach us about constructive posts!!!

The merit system for me is working it helps people here in the forum to improve their posts cause nowadays people post here in the forum just because they're in a campaign to reach their quota but with the new merit system most post here in the forum has quality now although merit system has some disadvantages but i think they will have a solution for it since merit system just started.

Hey bozo, you want to talk about my FIVE years of constructive posts, helping build bitcoin and the community?

I deserve what I received.  I'll be glad when the merit system finally causes these drains on the forum to go away.

I think you should be more patient, just like me.
I up 2nd place, and I have not got any merit, I am sure I will be able to get merit, Be patient.
Everything will be perfect in time.

I sad 99% and I dont know why did you find yourself in that number?!?!?! Yea like forum is full of legendery membes  who contribute comunity...

I had 238 activities when merit system was imposed and i only needed two activities to become Sr.Member. It was my bad luck but i am trying hard to improve my post quality.

Jr. Member is the highest rank I can reach in bitcointalk forum, thanks to merit system. Bravo!

I have been observed the merit is transferred only by and to Hero and Legendry members. I think merit system is not working for what it was introduced. Only the rank is not upgrading but the posts are as usual.

It's is not fair at it's beginning, but admin have to start from somewhere. He have no choice. Please stop crying, complaining about this.
I would like to emphasize that merit system has shown and will have strongly positive impacts on all rank of users in the forum.

The tech boards seem to be a lot cleaner, and that's a great help to me. I guess that means that Merit is starting to have a beneficial impact.

http://bigsig.com/s/jet-sig.png

Why do you want to get higher rank ? If this for participating in signature campaigns, you will have very hard time competing with other deserving candidates with this attitude. If you want to get a privilege associated with higher rank, work for it.

I dont want to go to serious argument, but you are missing some important points.

First of all, merit system is too young, therefore need more time to operate more smoothly (might have minor adjustments like this one "Design of merit points' statistics for each users (drop-down list proposed) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2861933.msg29369929#msg29369929)"). All things have to began somewhere, merit system too. I believe that Theymos had put lots of attempts, huge amount of time to think about the system before launching it. I cannot refuse the fact that at its launch, merits system is a unfair one. It is due to time-to-rank-up lags between users. Someone fell behind their ranking-up-time some hours, others fell behind some days, etc. Theymos could not and will never satisfy all users in the forum.

Merit system might be succeeded, might be failed, but it has changed and will change the forum forever. I strongly believe it will bring positive changes to the forum.

Secondly, please stop complaining, crying, moaning around the forum by threads, your own shitty topics. You have only two options: (1) Accept new rules of merit system, and improve yourself to adapt. (2) Leave the forum forever. If you keep doing this, someone will spot/ tag you with your shitty posts/ topics. Hence, your account will be definitely banned (temporary/ permanently) in the future.

Accept new rules and be helpful!

Good luck.

The merit system is in the experimental phase and I think dev and moderators are keeping an eye on it and looking for some exploit in this new system that they established. As  I see its pretty biased on those who are a higher rank than those on the lower rank, the gap in the merit can give and the merit you can get is extremely high and it'll be harder to get merits than you wait for your activity.

i can feel you its really hard for us new in this forum to get merit but i think this is gonna be good for the forum i think the idea of this merit system is to change its focus instead of activity. we know its really easy to have an activity there's too many topic that you can easily reply  you can even create a few accounts then make them reply 1 per day in any topic then they will rank up easily its only gonna take a months tadda you have few accounts that is is the same rank..
i think merit system gonna prevent the multiple account per person . it will change the focus instead to one account to post a high quality stuff
lets wait for a few months merit is too young to say that its not working  ;)

I agree with you. Besides why do everyone needs merits for?  Just share your thoughts, do productive replies. and why care about your Rank in Forum?  is it all about business?

Merits aren't just about removing a barrier to promotion. They can help members to determine which of their posts are approved or wanted by other members. If a topic doesn't get any merits or responses, then you should probably drop thst topic imho.

http://bigsig.com/s/jet-sig.png

I don't think so. If there is unlimited merit then it will be use badly. And the forum post will be worthless. So its perfect way to make forum as a good platform. If you will have something to write quality then you will have merit points.

This is the kind of positive attitude that we need! We must all work hard to post helpful, informative and insightful content. It will benefit us all in the end, and we will all distribute and receive merit accordingly.

Yes there may be a few teething problems along the way, but merit is a good addition to the forum, and I think any issues will be ironed out as we progress.

i can feel you its really hard for us new in this forum to get merit but i think this is gonna be good for the forum i think the idea of this merit system is to change its focus instead of activity. we know its really easy to have an activity there's too many topic that you can easily reply  you can even create a few accounts then make them reply 1 per day in any topic then they will rank up easily its only gonna take a months tadda you have few accounts that is is the same rank..
i think merit system gonna prevent the multiple account per person . it will change the focus instead to one account to post a high quality stuff

That is the reason for the merit system that many say is a big step to make the Bitcoin forum even better. As you said that now we all already feel some major changes, one of which is the reduction of activity of spammers and also scammers. In fact everyone at this time will be very difficult to be able to have multiple accounts. Merit has limited some of the risky things that can happen, this is a very helpful thing and I think people who can contribute to this forum will be able to get the appropriate appreciation.

This is an option and I think merit system is the best solution right now, a solution will produce something much better than before. If we have an opinion maybe we can send a pm to the administrator and we discussed it together. The most important thing is our goal is to make things better than ever before. So do the best and we must follow all the rules and regulations that already exist.

I think the merit system can be a deterrent/obstacle for some of the newer members, especially if they have contributed solid posts and have taken the time to produce quality replies and have received 0 merit.
We would all like to become a full member to participate with the bounties for a chance to accumulate a few coins. (Who knows if they will be worth anything...)

I started here a little before the merit system and it was implemented right when I became a Jr member. I feel that I've made some solid posts, but with 0 merit, it appears that people are hesitant to give the first one to someone that is new???  

If a full member or above has a few minutes to check out a few my previous posts I would be grateful to hear feedback. (decent, good, bad???)  

Yes! It may fail at some stages. but we have to wait before making any conclusion.
I also think that Some posts are very good in the forum. I internally want to give them the merit point, but i don't have.
And some posts are like that they get bulk of merit, but i can't understand why they have these merit points.
We are talking about merit system everyday about it flaws, it means definitely need some revision.
I think owner of this forum also take a look on our posts.
So we have to stop criticizing it, and give them the solution for the modification.
I personally think that everybody should provide with the equal opportunity whether it is junior member or hero/legendary.
But who says there will be no criticising then, We will not happy, if the things goes tougher and tougher.
making quality posts everyday is not the cup of cake. So they have to judge then on other factors.
I hope this forum become lively once again,where we have other topics to discuss rather than this merit system.

That's why the merit system does not work! You are a legend, you deserve it, by your activity it is visible to all. However, you for your "constructive" post have already received 2 merits, which in principle you absolutely do not need, and I do not see any information in it honestly. The only thing that those who sent you the merits are your friends, or people expect that you will also praise them in return.

In fact merit  given for high quality, constructive posts, NOT FOR FREE. And merit system was launched with original targets are reducing spamming in the forum; and turn the forum back as a place for discussions about Bitcoin and Altcoins.
Consequently, you will get no merit if you won't keep trying and contribute to the forum.

I'm really happy new merit system because now no one can spamming the forum. now peoples here in the forum to improve their post, but only a few members are got merit from other,

I think this system only allows to Moderator, who can give merit in the quality post when they are verified. because I say someone gives merit in bounty post

I agree with you. But to open a topic, Merit is must? I am fairly new to the forum and still learning about everything here. Cheers!

Sorry, but what about those who do not speak the language and use an interpreter.
those topics where you can earn in English
I only this year began to try to understand crypto. I'm sorry that real newcomers are poorly rewarded. and multiverse, they know how everything is arranged, and it will be easier for them

There are local sections for those who do not speak English. Please don't go the the English sections and use Google Translate, as that makes pointless hard to understand posts. There are merit sources in local sections as well.

If you are a "real newcomer" as in someone here not just to make money, your rank shouldn't be much of a concern for you, and you'll get merits as you learn.

>There are merit sources in local sections as well.

There is no merit source in Japanese local section.
That is the reason many people are stop sharing their information in Japanese local section.

If it is possible, could you make someone in Japanese local section a merit source?

It's doing the job. I've seen lesser spam post and flooding though it'll take time to get used to the meriting system.

Spamming and Flooding posts will not stop as long as there are bounty campaigns here, it is not that no once can spam now but it is reduced due to the requirements of having a merit to rank up.


There is a lot of people here that are trying to make their "quality post" but still not being merited, it will take time for them to received a merit, just be patient.


I am not a moderator but I do get some merits to my post since I am spending my time constructing them. Consider that.


Well, it's they're own merit to spend and not yours.

Seriously? That's an absolute joke given how many active users there are in this forum. It's like squeezing a dried dish towel for a drop of water when you need a bucket of it. Even people that make frequent good posts that receive +1 merit will spend years for their next rank up. There are exceptions yes, but it's incredibly rare and will remain incredibly rare unless the merit system is drastically changed.

Let it remain incredibly rare then.  :)

What good is a title of "Legendary" if it's common?

You know what irks me was the plethora of legendary shitposters since I joined the forum. I agree the rank should be rare, but it would be great if everyone had to re-earn their merit and the shitposters weren't grandfathered in so easily.

And you're frustrated because...?
You're envious because...?
Also I'm not sure why youre complaining because you have more merit than many users of your rank.  If it was an easy thing to earn merits, the system wouldn't have been worth implementing.   We're only in the second month here, and all the newbies are getting impatient instead of improving their output.

I think as newbie we should not worry about it. As respect to the admin of this forum, they know much better ways for the improvement of everyone. Merits system is good idea to combat spamming and shitposters accounts. We just need to wait for enough time so we can see the results. Too much complaining is not good.

It's true people don't give out their merits most likely for free. But that shouldn't be a major concern as the merit system is not concerned about how fast a user can get a new rank. It's concern is about a users quality input. But I would say that if the system was to check a users input by themselves, it could be more better than vesting that single assessment right in individuals. Because by assessing users inputs themselves, everyone will have a fair treatment.

We need to wait my friend. Merit system are in adjustment mode. There are thousand of users in the forum. Judgement is very hard if only few are entitled doing random check on searching quality post and giving free merits. We can't do nothing about it. Much better lets obey and wait for our turn to shine.

Merit system it is good idea, but now it could be reason for one more issue:
Bounty hunters not able to increase their rank due merit system, but how they can increase profits? Answer is simple - you can create more accounts of Jr. Members. I feel that it is happening right now, you don't need to wait Full Member rank any more - just create 3 accounts of Jr. Members.
What we can get in nearest future? - the huge number of Junior multi-accouts and number of spam will increase, because you can not manage 10 accounts and keep the quality of posting. So number of accounts will increase and quality will decrease.

I propose to disable signatures for Jr. Members or implement Merit system for Jr. ranks (5 Merits for example).

Yeah this will solve part of the problem, 5 Merit and no sMerit for the existing jr. because they will distribute the Merit to the other alts.
Probably de-merit option in the hands of the merit sources will also be a good solution, so they can give penalties to the ones abusing the system.
In addition, less work for the Mods and Admins ;)

As mentioned here:

There has been holes in the new system. Is that why the numbers of members have increased lately? And by these possibilities I think it wouldn't solve the overall problems of this community. Some problems have been resolved but new problems have been emerged as well.

Well I commended the Merit System for doing a great job eliminating those few problems, hope that we can think of something that could solve this one too.

It is too early to tell if the merit system has failed. But in my point of view, this merit system has improved the kind of post that we are seeing now but not all though. The main purpose of this, is to eliminate post that are not helpful to the forum. I try not to use low quality post because we have no criteria how to distinguish one. 

Signatures had already been disabled for Jr members. Signature campaigns like 777 coin has removed all such participants already.

I see newbies and Jr. Members wearing signatures at least here in the Meta. You can see the OP of this topic as reference. I guess theymos removed the ability to add links to the signature but not the whole signatures.

I think so. I think we need more time, merit system is basically very good for the forum. I just wait for the result, for now we better to be quite and try to master this change. Too early judgement  for this new system. We should have patience. The system is still new and people need time to accepting and to use it.

I also think that the merit system is not working as it was supposed to do. Merit system came to develop our knowledge about information linked with different crypto currency. But unfortunately there are some people who use to sell merit. They offer you 100 merit at .1 BTC or many. (This information may not be true as I heard it. But I suppose that merit is being sold or else some low post also got merited). So, I suppose the main objective of merit had not full filled.

The merit system needs some improvements, and Iì'm pretty sure that there will be soon some modifications.
But it has already achieved some big results, because shitposting has drastically diminished, and there is no more sense in having tens of accounts.
So, it's a very good think, even if I know that to grow up will be very difficult.
But also more precious.

Nobody is happy with the merit system, out of Legendaries, because now you need to work hard to earn the right to rank up.
But it was absolutely necessary, and now the forum is a better place.
With some improvement (I think that the circulating merits are too few) it will achieve the goal.

I think that this is a test run so far. I really like this ranking system. There will be less spam and flooding on the forum. It will be much easier to find the information you need. But unfortunately, the beginning is not very successful. The system of awards will need to be reviewed. We need to wait for a while. I am confident that in the future everything will be ok.

The merit system have not failed. I feel if you make a quality post that solves someone problem merit may be given to you. Just make sure you work hard and obey the forum rules.

I do not think that there is  a need of demerit option. We are making conclusion just in one month but the merit system is designed in a very efficient way. With time passing by the default merit points will dry up. Then all the merits will originate from merit sources and thus there will be negligible chances of merits getting abused. Adding a demerit option will cause a lot of conclusions with signature campaigns as well. Adding and then removing applicants based on current merits/ranks will become a headache for the campaign manager.

When something is implemented or changed to the systematic form initially some issues will be arising. One such is the recent merit trading for the purpose of getting into signature campaign. Now, those users getting tagged will let the rest of the users understand the tragedy behind such activity.

I really think this merit system do not benefit the forum!

I'm not seeing less spam. I still see a bunch of crappy posts!

This only affect the new comers that get demotivated because they can’t rank up and see crappy post from legendary being merited.

And the new threads "submit here your posts for my evaluation". This is not the goal! People should give merit because the posts deserve, not because someone asks!
This kind of threads should be banned! If you want to share your sMerit give it to posts that you read and thought useful, not to the ones who come and ask for it.
And the people that open this threads are the ones who receive more Merit!!!!! In my opinion they are killing merit system.

I have been paying some attention, because I'm about to "not" rank up due to lack of merit, and in the topics that I read (most altcoins) I do not see merit to anyone...
The section where you see more merit is Meta! Is this the section with good cryptocurrency posts?? I think not!

I usually write good posts, but people do not care to give merit to others!
I need 150 merit points and I do not know where I will get them!

I think I am valuable to the community!
I write some posts on Steemit and usually place the links on the related topics.
I help people whenever I can and know how to.
I report SPAM and SCAMERS.
I share with the community the news, new good Airdrops, new crypto related projects.
I give me opinion in speculation threads.

And with all this I only got 2 merit points since the system is implemented!

I get your point but still too early to give a conclusion like that, Merit System implemented just a few months from now so don't expect to see instant results. I understand if you think that rankings of all the members here in this forum seems stagnant because I already think that way but can't you see? This system provides solution against shitposting and for me that's great. :D Instead of focusing to the bad side of this system, try to look what benefits it could bring to us. Also, don't feel agitated, just stay calm and strive hard to adapt this system.

5 merits for ranking up to Junior member is easy requirement, so I think your idea doesn't make sense.

There are two ways to get merits.
One legal way is getting them from writing constructive, high quality posts/ topics, try to help as many other users (mostly newcomers) as possible. This is legal approach, and with this one I really think that 5 merits is possible task (might be reached easily with real constructive users).
Second illegal approach is buying merits from others or exchanging them with friends, etc. In the approach 5 merits mean nothing, and need seconds to get them.

As a result of those two reasons, I think that Theymos should ban ability to wear signature for Junior Members.

I understand what you are saying. I didn't even know that the merit-system was linked on moving up on rank, I just assumed it was to reward users for quality posts.

Maybe that's how it should be?

If you for example see a post by a Legendary Member with the minimal amount of merit, that should mean that this person puts up low quality posts... On the other hand, when you see a post by a Legendary Member that has lots of merit, you should conclude that this person only posts high quality content... The problem with this is, that you seem to be 'around' people that already have lots of merit that they can give, right?

If you post high quality content but everyone who appreciates it, isn't able to give you merit for it, is misleadingly seems that you post low quality stuff... Or do I misinterpret?

Apart from the whole merit thing, when learning (the hard way by getting banned  :-\) about the rules on bitcointalk, I tried to post good content and not just 'why this coin so low' or 'when bountie dev pls'.

I consider bitcointalk, next to the websites & social media channels that are cryptorelated a big source of valuable information but yes, there is a lot of crap on here. The difficulty is how to seperate crap from the real stuff and the merit-system is an effort to do this, but in my opinion only succeeds 50 percent, since a lot of people try to work on making bitcointalk a better place & they don't get the merit.

Or am I missing something here?

Wow. Just wow. Look at some people here just begging for merits just to rank. I just can’t believe it. Nothings for free now boys. Earn it, merits are like respect, if you can’t show respect, you won’t get any. So earn it bud. Earn it just like every single one of us low rankers.

I just pointed out that in a lot of threads there aren't any forum-members eligible to even give merit, so the system isn't really encouraging everybody to make good posts.

I don't care about rank, I care about quality.

For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

I like the merit system, so it is not true to say tht nobody like it. It needs a bit of fine tuning, but no doubt that will come in the future.

btw - did you notice that I gave you a merit for your post on the economics board. :)

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated. :)

Maybe an insta-ban for newbies who only post 'when lambo' or 'when airdrop'?  :D

Or filter out everybody who writes English like a 4-year old but has a legendary / full member-status. I seem to come upon those a lot lately.

English isn't my native language but at least try to do some effort. I improved my English by watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Also improved my Carlton-dance-moves.

Actually, it works because I get merit for my constructive thread. Of course, by now I got only one merit for one of my constructive posts (I simply call them constructive, not high-quality), but I might get more merits when more readers read my posts. Some of them will like my threads,feel satisfied and send their sMerits to me.

Users who are simply join the forum for getting money and begging for merits will certainly not get them as main point of merit system influence.

Actually, what is really irritating about merit system is not the system itself (with just some adjustments it will work fine) but the incredible arrogance of those who feel protected in their position and talk as they were professional copywriters.
Let be serious: there are a lot of high ranks that - with the new rules - would be still jr. member, and this is very simple to verify if you check their history.

I don't complain about this, life is unfair and - if someone was in the right place in the right moment - I congratulate him.

But I ask them a favor: stop making fun of us!  Enjoy your privilege and shut up!

You simply envy. There are many users of your rank who deserved a lot of merits already for their posts. Of course I admit that there are cheaters who abuse merit system and get merits not fair way, but in the biggest number of cases the system is working well. The main thing here is that you need to stop to complain and learn to earn merits with your quality posting, because of your complains are leading to nowhere, the Merit system will not be cancelled or changed, so learn to live with that!

I think the point was that sometimes you see posts from people of a higher rank, you wonder how that person was ever able to gain that rank, because their posts contain only rubbish and newby-content. I understand that can be frustrating to see.

posting on a forum is work? ok dude.

thought this would be a thing when i read about the merit system being implemented a few weeks ago, havent really had time since then to be on the forum to see it happen though. of course, i don't know if these changes may already have been put into place, or if the system has changed, but implementing a cooldown on giving the same user merit per 24 hr period or applying diminishing returns for merit given multiple times in a given time period might prove effective to stopping this.

it's to be expected when there's money involved, especially when third world country users starting thinking that posting on a forum qualifies as actual employment. it's no different than people farming accounts for campaigns.

i've seen this line of thought thrown out here multiple times, but the spammers never really do stop do they? it's not going to be a problem that i think will ever get solved unless theymos starting putting down some really strict rules, which i dont believe he will do something that severe.

A month ago the merit system will imposed and until now they are still complaining about the merit system and most who did that those lower ranks members, they are just like barking always about merit system. You know why those higher rank did not do this because when it comes earning profits here in forum Legendary and Hero member are just the same, and mostly those ranks treat arrogant to the newcomers especially newbie besides of helping being motivated in doing good post. Do you think they did not go through the lower rank or just a newbie?

Looks like merits could be found more on this thread, that is why if you have notice, every signature campaigns allows their participants to post on meta, which is not allowed way back then when we don't have this merit system yet, but I am not against this merit system, this merit system minimize those users who are creating more accounts so that they could abuse every signature campaign.

With this system, those kinds of people will have second thoughts, they are going to be lazy on making multiple accounts since ranking up is too hard if you are not posting good quality post, so if you are not gaining any merits at all, meaning you should improve more of your post quality.

Your post is very confusing. At one point you are saying that new members are only posting complains about the merit system. Then you start criticizing the senior embers that they are making money with signature campaigns. Who is right here then ? I think we have all types of people in different ranks. The rank of a person has nothing to do with his character, a senior member might not be very well behaved. Personally, I had got good encouragement and support from all members here.

Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

Did you see I gave a merit to the post above yours. I don't know the guy, and have had no previous interaction with him.

Giving merit to Heros and Legendaries allows them to pass on sMerit to other posters - that's the way the system works. :) It also gives us some feeddback on the community sentiment about our actions. Right at the moment I'm getting seriously p'd off with the lazy arses who can't be bothered to search before asking a question for the 200th time, and posting it on the wrong board. It's a pretty thankless task scanning through hundreds of ill-written and badly structed posts. Maybe I should give up and see if I have a domain name with "coin" in it to start my own parallel chain. :)

See, I understand that it might be frustrating not being able to get merits even after some good quality posts especially for new members. I even saw some senior members complain about this. But, the issue is that some new members are still able to do well. They are able to get merits from different members here. This means that there is not fault with merit system. If that was the case, no new member would have been able to rank up.

Hopefully, everyone who gives smerit here in the forum will be fair enough not to give because you know him. Yeah, people here got frustrating not being able to get smerits because some of them are hurrying to rank up. Not fault of merit system but those members here who will give smerit some of them are having favoritism to the members that they send smerit.
Just like me, i suppose to be a Full member now but I stock here in my rank but well, it's a new challenge.

Some people will not give you merit because they try so hard to get that number of merits, but some other people who has enough merit to give someone who is barely need a merit. Its hard to earn merit indeed but it is for the forums good, to feel the spammers that they are not fit in this forum.

Yep, the laziness of noobs has been a problem for a long time now--since way before the merit system, but now every time I see a noob boob starting a stupid thread, my suspicion is that it's to earn merit. 

And yeah, good posts are buried under a mountain of garbage,  BUT I've sent a lot of merit to jr members who made some effort at posting interesting stuff.  I wasn't familiar with most of the users I gave merit to, so it's not like I gave it to all my favorite members (though they did receive some). 

Meritless noobs are just frustrated and pissed off, and they'll make their narrative fit whatever argument they think sounds best. The truth is that their posts suck.

@CarlosCorreia

'I really think this merit system do not benefit the forum!' - Care to share that to theymos?

'I'm not seeing less spam. I still see a bunch of crappy posts!' - Well, the Merit System is not responsible for deleting - not to mention ancient topics. They've been there for years now, if the higher ups decided to delete it would you be satisfied?

'This only affect the new comers that get demotivated because they can’t rank up and see crappy post from legendary being merited.' - Because then, the ranking system was taken for granted, it only means for how long have you been active to this forum. But the new System changed that, then again these legendary ranks that have crappy posts have been here for quite some time now so you can't blame them.

Also, would you care to provide some links as proof for your accusations?

'And the new threads "submit here your posts for my evaluation". This is not the goal! People should give merit because the posts deserve, not because someone asks!' - Mate, that's what they're doing, the forum is so massive they don't have the time to review all of the members (talk about a hundred thousand of members). So their resolve is to volunteer.

'This kind of threads should be banned! If you want to share your sMerit give it to posts that you read and thought useful, not to the ones who come and ask for it.' - Should be banned you say? So what about those scammers in the altcoin section?

'And the people that open this threads are the ones who receive more Merit!!!!! In my opinion they are killing merit system.' - Nope they are implementing the Merit System.

'I have been paying some attention, because I'm about to "not" rank up due to lack of merit, and in the topics that I read (most altcoins) I do not see merit to anyone... The section where you see more merit is Meta! Is this the section with good cryptocurrency posts?? I think not!' - Then create a thread for this, if you're that desperate.

'I usually write good posts, but people do not care to give merit to others! I need 150 merit points and I do not know where I will get them!' - Didn't you even consider that, maybe they are not familiar to the System? If you're really that good, then like I said make a thread about this.

'I think I am valuable to the community! I write some posts on Steemit and usually place the links on the related topics. I help people whenever I can and know how to. I report SPAM and SCAMERS. I share with the community the news, new good Airdrops, new crypto related projects. I give me opinion in speculation threads.' - I salute you for what you've done. But you see mate, respect comes with humbleness, also patience is a great factor.

'And with all this I only got 2 merit points since the system is implemented!' - Be grateful that you've earned that amount of Merits, some members don't even get a single Merit.

It's not true that the system is not working: as I wrote in another thread, the main goal - to reduce spam and shitpost - is achieved, and there is a general improvement of the quality of the posts.
And i't not true that it's impossible to rank up: I received 16 merits starting from zero, so - even slowly - its' not impossible.
And if spammers and shitposters will be discouraged... well it seems to me a good results :)

Of course, there are a lot of aspects that can be improved, but I saw that Theymos is very open to advice, so...we'll see.

Uhh, that's why they're newbies? I'm not taking their side, its just that you might want to take it into consideration at some point (instant ban, that's pretty harsh TBH). If you don't like what you see, then report them. But on the other hand just help them, and what I mean is that, don't just provide them what they need - guide them to what they have to do.


If you realized it by now, the ranking system back then was not taken into effect, its like just how long have you been here (thanks to the Merit System then).

Like you've said, maybe English is not their native language. But you're right they have to make some effort if they wanted to improve.

The point is when we set our eyes and mind on merit, you might be discouraged because it doesn't come easy. You have to contribute meaningfully plus that members don't either remember to use the merit button or they are just stingy to give it.

We need to learn to give out merit to rewarding post.    We have started seeing the effect of the merit in many account lately as they don't have sufficient merit to rank up but there activities are already there  to help them rank up unlike before. We should have had many new ranks now but I have barely seen anyone ranking up yet because of the draw back from merit.

I see merit point is currently still very rarely used, could be said to us as a user who is stingy. But I am sure over time all things can be improved and also will be a much better implementation. Merit is the subject of discussion at this time, there are people who feel harmed and some are not. But the real shape is now we have very rarely see post shit, everything gets better and all users try to make the post useful and much more qualified than ever before.

I noticed too that post quality improved, people at least try to write something meaningful if slight hope to get noticed and rewarded. But it is not widely used indeed. I like to see topics where High-rank members are trying to help Jr. members to rank up. Some doing opposite and helping other Sr. members. They have their own reasoning behind it and as long it is not against rules (more of against common sense though) it doesn't hurt.

I'm quite harsh because I got permanently banned from the forum without any warning before. I learnt the hard way, nobody warned me... On the other hand, I don't think many new members will go and read all the rules before posting, but only posting 'when lambo' or 'when airdrop' is just stupid, it implies that the poster is lazy as fuck and doesn't even make the smallest effort... Like looking 2 posts up on the thread.

Great post got 2 merits. Forwarding to general Meta board and calling a complete stranger "sweetie". A great example of rewarding! Well done! Too bad I don't have sMerit to gave it to people for such a nice judgment skill.

The merit system worked perfect for its real purpose, that is to freeze the situation and to allow high rank to keep their position of power.
About spam and shitpost, the only result of the merit system is that now people create more and more accounts just to make more and more shitpost, just to earn some cheap money aven at jr.level.
IMHO, not a big result. But nobody cares.

What power? I've got no more power than you have.

Well I guess I can add an avatar to my profile - is that power?

Maybe  thymos teaches us how to become generous to the other members. Keeping that sMerits will never be included with your merits rather than that we are going to share it and it Will come come back to the next sMerit. If your  lucky to have so many sMerit then just share it to everybody with whom you choose deserving with their posts. Dont be afraid of doing it so, if it Will Help others to level UP. Good luck to everybody.

He is probably referring to the fact that we have the majority of merit points. At the end of the day you shouldn't really need a high rank unless you need to post a lot and there is already a solution for that, copper members. The fact that people complain so much about merit means it is actually working.

I think we all must slow down with all this "merit problem". For this isn't even real. There is no problem at all.
Here in the forum there is a lot of people, thousands of them. And, everyday, we can read more and more topics related to merits which are, as less, wrong. Even when I can understand who it seems too difficult for newbies to reach a position here, it has been difficult for years.
The forum is being contaminated more and more by new posters who just want to earn some money here and, instead of new writers wanting to get some information. If all that you want here is to earn some cash, then they are a lot of other websites where you can provide your services in order to achieve that goal.

Precisely, newbies concern seems to be, almost all, how to rank out here, instead of how to earn bitcoin or learning about trading. This  is not a place just meant to earn, but a place meant to learn.

I agree, theymos wants eliminate/lessen the redundancy of threads and replies that's why they create this merit system. I think this is very effective, because thru help of this merit system more participants now are conducting research before posting. I observed it because most of the posts I read now have a lot of senses, moreover the posts now I read had more constructive compared before.

I understand the aim but claming that posters now research before posting isn't true.

Check out ANY thread and look for researched posts. They are still a big minority between the 'when airdrop' and 'why this coin so low' kind of posts.

could be a post that you think is not necessarily the same perceived quality by others. the merit system, in my opinion, is already good but only its application is less good, maybe for future later can be fixed again.

I really welcome merit system. Obviously yes, though we do make quality posts they are unnoticed.

The main reason for less merits is when one replies to a thread,  the previous replies are skipped to be read. Here where a quality post do not receive a merit.  80% of quality posts are omitted  in this scenario.

And another reason, lack of merits. When one wishes to give a merit, merit is not available. Since it's very low to guys with ranks below Sr.Member, merit bucket is empty.  How then an merit would be given.  

These two things can be looked at.

True, how can I credit someone for a decent quality post when I don't have any merits to give?

People who complain against System Merit are those who do not have the capacity and desire to be better. Though directly merit system has made us motivated to be able to make a quality post, in essence we are required to contribute to this forum. I admit it is heavy, but we have to respond positively. For someone who really wants a serious concentration to learn Bitcoin and cryptocurrency then merit points can help us to cultivate cryptocurrency much better. Believe that when we do our best then we will also get a satisfactory result. Just imagine when the merit system is not enforced, we will not be serious and maybe our goal is just getting the money alone without any desire to learn Bitcoin much better. In fact we can see that the condition of the current BTT forum is much better than before.

Regarding lack of merits to give, one option to increase the merits in circulation is by increasing the number of merit sources. Now the admin is already doing so and he might be finding it hard to find more responsible and honest members for this task. This roles comes with a lot of power and should not go in wrong hands. I think better solution is increasing the number of merits allotted to each merit source. They should have plenty of merits to give to members.


With current stats and rules, only thing we can do is that make some good posts and then expect merits. This will also give us Smerits which we can give to others.

As for those who will read this, please observe their difference in constructing a post; legend (1)Hero Member, (2)Newbie:

(1)

(2)

To be honest, I would accept the fact that the (2) Newbie can't create a constructive post because he is Newbie (assuming this is not an alt account), but when I read the post of a (1) Hero Member looking like that, I was SHOKETH, I mean I expect more from him. Not trying to be harsh because maybe its not his native language or anything but if it is indeed his mother tongue, then you have to improve your communication skills, High Ranks supposed to be role models (not trying to be discriminant).

Glad that the Merit System made the Ranks really mean something and not just some title hanging below your name.

That's what criminals or violator say when a president or a leader implement the new law in the country or on the group  :D :D :D not saying you are one.
Laws best results come after six months to one year, though there are some changes that might happen during this months due to some factors, like what you said it is not moving, reason is its important not to just give and give your merits, since it is not auto-replenished every week nor months, but mod may find ways how people are encouraged to give merits to those who deserve it.

That is the best question to describe this saying :

to contribute a member of a community you need to make a contribution for the community first.


I agree with you, seems no 2 can not create constructive post by now, i hope he/she grind his/her lessons well to improve his/her self. And i am glad too that right now rank is something achieved rather than just something will come to us based on time. It really gives a kind of satisfaction if you achieve the ranks with your hard work.


In my opinion, 1 month is already the best time for merit replenishment. What we need now is just more merit sources, especially sources for different kind of board.

It is ironic that there are many such members in the forum, they are the seniors who succeeded in going to level up not because of their quality but only because of activities that have qualified for the level. Well, that was before the existence of this merit system of course, now this is another story. So, what about spammers who have already reached the highest level? I do not consider myself good, I admit I am still learning and still need a lot of improvement. well, I just hope the future there is a rule that allows members of the forum to downgrade their ranks if not reaching the target of merit.

What did you want to do, noob?
The topic is for discussions on negative sides of merit system in the bitcointalk forum, not about bitcoin.
Moreover, merit system has performed good, and contributed changing the forum better.
Therefore, the topic itself is a shitty ones, which came from shitposters, who are not able to earn merit via merit-deserved threads.

To me, I feel is working to an extent. It has helped make everyone's account to be static and only by one's efforts can one rank up. Before now, it was just all about signature campaigns and no one really cared about their post quality. But at least post quality has significantly improved and the forum is more meaningful now.

I think the member itself should choose a topic that really contribute to this forum, cause most of time people prefer to post in a thread were in, it's already have 1-50 pages. Usually this kind of thread are just repeating the answer by everyone just to complete their required post. So try to find a unique topic, and give an informative post so you can get merit.

Merit system is working good but it can be greater if we give red trust the  abusers. :'(
We maybe also need an adjustment now since airdrop it's gone.

The merit points system works well. Even though I haven't got any merith yet. In the Russian-speaking branch merit get even harder than in English. To earn merit I began to learn English. Began to do translations of interesting topics in Russian. I want to achieve success and wish you the same.

It has passed 4 months and still most of the people with just 2-3 merit points.

Just need to do a real usefull post and people will be share merit. It is a fact.

Merit system is neccesary, only thing is we need more sMerit in circulation. Maybe we will hear some news regarding this. Releasing more sMerit would be a great decision to everyone.

Merits have actually been circulated in the forum. What did you mean?

It is good to see merit circulation like this because it shows that merit system has actually had real positive effects on shitposters, who are not able to earn merits through their threads.

There are abundant threads with the same ideas as yours, and I feel tired of them. Please stop it, and start reading more to be able to compose more constructive, informative threads, mate.

Maybe for you its not working because I can see that your post is still low quality, but for some it helps newbies to upgrade their post quality and thats the mail goal of the system.

many thanks

Let us not easily jump into conclusion.  I think we need to be patient with Theymos and the mods as they approve new merit sources.  As the number of merit sources increase, (hopefully) the number of members that will evaluate every posts will increase also resulting to the sufficiency in the merit distribution.

I empathize with you regarding the frustration that even though some of your posts can be considered as quality posts, you are not receiving any merit which makes it hard for you to rank up.  This is the result of the transitioning status from the previous ranking system to the new ranking system (with merit system).  As I have said, we are only in a transition period.  Sooner or later, everything will settle down.

Do not worry, you are not the alone in this journey of being affected by this transition and changes.  The higher ranked members (especially the senior members, full members, and hero members) are the ones that are greatly affected by this merit system.

Overall, we need to get back to the real intention of introducing the system - for the benefit of the forum and everyone else.  The Merit System is not designed to harm anyone.  If you find some abnormalities regarding it, don't just judge the system but be an innovator. 

Think about it, Suggest solutions, Discussed with others, and find ways to improve it (or to perfect it).

Merit is generally a good idea, I can agree here. But you have to create very special posts and since then it's not sure you'll get a merit. The merit requirements are too harsh and new members are disappointed very soon if their merit score remains low. 
It's a big injustice for us new members registrated after introduction of merits. The members registrated before are still spamming and have already the rank. They had nothing to do for this, only spamming twitter and facebook bounty reports for getting a very high rank. A situation as we have it now is not fair to all Newbies and Jr. Members. The high rank accounts with low effort posts are probably laughing at us now because they have already their high rank.
It's better to force all established members to begin at 0 merits, so everyone has the same conditions and no advantages to those who registrated before 2018. I hope you can understand my point of view. If everyone would begin at 0 there were better equal conditions for ranking up and stop spam from lof effort high ranked accounts.

But the merit system from now is very demotivating because it makes for 95 percent only a very low progress.

It's look merit system working fine. You didn't get merit it doesn't mean that system aren't working. Yes forum flooding by new people but maximum come for bounty and airdrop. Not for merit , I mean they just come for earn money. They didn't try to make some useful or HQ post. I just visit your profile. You posted only one thread that your own. Others are all shit reply on other post. How you expect merit ?
And what does you mean no one will give you free merit ? It's true. Why someone will give you merit on shitpost ? You must need pay your time, knowledge and idea for this forum. Money can't give you merit expect some corrupted member's. Forget complain and try to make some good post.

Not all new members... just the ones that want to advance rank to earn money.

This forum is for discussion of bitcoin - merit was created to dissuade people that don't want to discuss bitcoin.

Based on your post, it is working as intended.  :)