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Round 18 Payment Details

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Please DO NOT purchase more than 25% of a round's available shares. This new policy is meant to improve product availability for Rounds with limited stock. Since this round has 250 total shares available, please do not purchase more than 50 shares. Thank you!

R18 Orders should be placed here: http://www.dzminercoop.com/?product=r18-bitmine-coincraft-rig



- For US Customers: for a 3%  fee for USD conversion to BTC, we recommend: https://cashintocoins.com/index.php?code=dzcoop a FinCen compliant MSB who can get BTC sent to the wallet address you want in as little as 15 minutes to an hour.

- For Intl. Customers: We are still exploring suggestions for inexpensive BTC conversion but I can recommend www.bitstamp.net at this time as that's the exchange rate used by our payment processor.

- PayPal is not available (and never will be again, unless we see a complete corp. culture 180 from PP). They are *not* Bitcoin and Bitcoin user friendly IMO. I won't say how/why but 1 person also helped ruin this payment method for ALL of us, going forward.

If there's any concerns about registering your payment, please follow up with a PM to Thomas or a support ticket. There's two methods to resolve this:

A. Send a support ticket on our website www.dzminercoop.com

OR

B: PM to thomas_s on this site

Subject: DZ HF GB R18, Order#
Details: Please include Tx ID, your wallet address for payout, and any concerns you may have about your transaction(s)

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thomas_s -  Primary GBC for Rounds 5-18. Co-GBC during R3-R7. R2 member. Send BTC payments and questions for R18 to thomas_s . Set up Online Auto Reservations for the co-op!

DZ - Need escrowed Group Buy shares? For a 2% extra fee you get 3rd party fund holding, dispute resolution, and $500 insurance per transaction at BTCrow. [DISCLAIMER: I, DyslexicZombei, am an approved Escrow Affiliate at BTCrow.] Please PM Carbon Copy thomas_s please prior to escrow payment.


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Refunds: Refunds are discouraged because of the chaos caused in Group Buys, but if necessary, you will be refunded before the miner ships, at a 1.5% restock fee. After the miner ships, no refunds are available.


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Share Ownership Transfer Fee: There is now a 0.75% Ownership transfer fee if you're buying someone else's DZ MC co-op shares. We put a ton of time, money, and BTC to offer the GB community many of the world's best at-cost and below-cost deals. Refunds and share transfers cause chaos and extra work for us.

This 0.75% share transfer fee *MUST* by paid by the new owner before we will transfer share ownership.

By sending payment, you agree to these Refund and Transfer terms before purchase.

When does this ship and when is it expected to by turned on ?

Hey UNOE,

This is scheduled for a Mid January delivery:

https://bitmine.ch/?product=coincraft-rig-mid-january-batch

We're paying extra for Express Shipping, as time is always of the essence when it comes to Bitcoin mining.

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That reminds me: If any co-op members have cheap hosting available in Europe...you could make extra BTC as well as help make the co-op make extra BTC - due to faster hashing startup time thanks to shorter shipping distances from Switzerland. Also: please send me a PM if you're interested in Intl. hosting elsewhere.

You would have to go through my vetting process, while it's free I believe that it's the most stringent on the forum, as I have the benefit of over 10 years in Info Security. If you're willing to be a DZ MC miner host somewhere international, it would allow you to not only save on hosting/management fees on your own DZ MC shares but could be a lucrative side business for the right person or person(s). As a pro network engineer, I will assist you for free in assessing and improving your miner hosting conditions in order to be considered a viable vetted miner host.

Please send me a PM if you're serious and interested, as I wouldn't mind expanding our co-op hosting facilities to South America, the EU, Africa, Asia, and Australia.

Cheers!

PSA: Our new website is almost ready, but until then: please, please, please separate your orders if you're ordering from two separate Rounds.

Thomas unfortunately has to do the math mamba to try to figure out how many shares you purchased in which round, because our free site backend tools clump all BTC payments together.

We expect this limitation to go away once our almost finished revamped site has launched.

Cheers!
DZ

8 shares - Order: #691
thanks :)

order # 692 7 shares

Order#690 3 shares

another great gb thanks

as a newb, i'm still taken by the teams on btcguild, and only just noticed the dz team on the highest-hashing 25 list. congrats on that.

do we get the team pin when our round starts hashing? can we point our non-dzgb mining there and get the dz team into the other lists?

i have a whole 2 million shares to offer...

Order #703, 3 shares

Payment tx id:  1b1b3abb95a21aa774016dcc8395348b91f44cec77a0c89ab500860f52b66062

Order #705 - 4 shares

PM sent to thomas_s

#706 - 1 Share.

First time, be gentle as i'll probably ask stupid questions.. the FAQ isn't as FAQy as I hoped.

Order #720 - 4 shares

Thanks!

1 share #712

Hi!

One share;
order #722
TiD: 739831566298610728f5d7b6b189a48d1c455662e9afbc8500392d5b2f238567-000

4 shares - Order: #724

to add this two buys together: 12 shares from 100 < 25 %

thanks :)

Hello,

How many shares are left?

The website now shows miners in the second January batch with a lower price. Will you be launching another groupbuy with the same machine and a lower price? If so, when will it be expected to arrive/start hashing?

Why not order the 2 TH/s? It's $460 cheaper than 2 1TH/s :).

Hey Hili,

Welcome Back! Due to Bitcoin upward price mobility: If we raise enough funds for 2 or even 2.5 TH/s (yet we don't sell all 250 shares) we simply give everyone the extra hashrate that we end up with.

We did this for R8B, where we had raised enough funds for 600GH/s with only about 47 shares bought. Those lucky buyers actually have a higher GH/s rating per R8B share over R8 buyers, but that was the happy luck of the draw.

If the reverse happens where BTC drops tremendously in value: we'd likely hold the BTC until the USD price recovered before we commit to buying something for less USD value than the BTC we originally raised.

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FWIW: At the moment, I'm showing only *15* GB shares available for R18.  :o

Without a confirmation from Thomas, I cannot say if there are phantom or unpaid orders which would account for more than 15 shares at this time.

...if those sales come through...looks like we're buying a maxed out 2.5 TH/s+ Bitmine Rig.  ;D



Also: if there's enough demand for a 2nd Bitmine Rig: sure, why not! If people want to get access to the world's best values, we're more than happy to oblige and we could run a R18B round, for those that are interested. I just activated backorders so that if we sell more than 250 GB shares, we'll automatically roll over those oversales to R18B.

Hmm,

Please contact bobsag3 or -Redacted- if you'd like to join the DZ mining pool. ;D

We're still also seriously considering spearheading a GB Forum specific mining pool.

My order still is "processing". Why?

#709    November 18, 2013    Processing

mine has been like that for days now too

I've been busy it won't change from processing until its entered into the spreadsheet (if you provided everything on the order check out page)

Processing = good
On Hold = problem

Please check your orders ALL ORDERS PAID UP TO NOW ARE FINISHED SO DOUBLE CHECK

-Processing means it hasn't been entered yet
-Completed means everything is fine

-Processing / a note means your entered but a payout address is missing

http://www.dzminercoop.com/?page_id=12

Please respond to the email asking for your payout address or open a ticket, make sure your order number is somewhere in the text, if you didn't get an email and didn't create an account on the site send me a pm with the email and order # and I can tell you (you can also create an account and message me the account name)

I'm pausing R18 for the time being gotta get numbers together, any oversales / when its reopened will be put into module units if the rig gets completely filled with modules we will try for another rig.

If you already have an active order you can pay for the order if you changed your mind you can just leave the order sitting there, no new orders will be accepted for R18 until final numbers are put in.

I got in just before you closed :)

I am curious about the 10-15GH/s though, it's a pretty big difference... :/

The speed they say it is is 1000gh/s divided by 100 is 10gh/s, but the rig can be put into turbo mode which can increase the hashpower up to 1500gh/s, or 15gh/s

The speed can be anywhere in between depending on how well the chips work.

Sorry, I was way off on the numbers. I don't do order tracking for the most part nowadays.

There were a ton of phantom orders, which will go away when our new site is on-line.

Updated numbers: 95 shares sold.

Essentially: R18A is sold out.

R18B is open, which are upgrade modules sold at the same GB share price, to be housed in the same R18 rig.

Is R18B sold out? or is your website not updated yet?

Just not updated yet.

Main unit for R18 has been ordered, we were able to get 1.25 th/s divided by the same amount of shares.

As for the people that have replied / PM'd us about the price differences, I've posted this before but the site doesn't use live data to determine the conversion price it uses an average. So if BTC spikes or dips it doesn't affect the price you pay only if it is sustained down or up.

After reviewing the orders the only major difference in purchase price per share was R17 and R17B which was different by .05 BTC.

18 is open? Doesn't show available on the web site.

I'll wait for you to update it then. Or is there any other way to put my order now? Thanks.

please update your website!

+1 - I also want to invest some coins...

B was just opened.

These are upgrade modules (anyone can purchase not just R18 owners) that will be added onto the main unit, price and amount of shares per module are in line to just make an extension on the R18 rig.

Also please do not purchase R18B and R17 at the same time please please please make 2 separate orders

R18B
10 shares = paid #798
transaction-id  4146e26ace07ae62bdf93ed79feca4cdc5c51c55fed7915263c7f9ab9e2683f4
thanks :)

R18B
2 shares = paid #799 November 23, 2013
transaction-id  1ea3b19c21b28b10b0a264d53edc8014de935ff24886cf35431fff1a15d101f5


Where do I input my payment address?

Thanks.

you guys keep getting the same questions over and over, maybe need to rethink how this is done :)

Got an Email for the payout address  :)

Very fast response  8)

18B is showing out of stock again.  Closed?

M

I'm waiting to hear back from bitmine to find out how many more modules we can order.

For R18B: We should be able to double the number of modules from R18A to max out the modules in the R18 rig.

There's an inconsistency on Bitmine's site where the older Rig description mentioned 17 modules being the max, while the January description lists 8 modules being the max for a Bitmine Rig. I'm asking for a clarification but their site says the January rigs max out at 2.5 TH/s.

Forgot to add: here's video of the Coincraft Desk that was released yesterday:

https://bitmine.ch/?p=2961

i was about to buy another share, and it's sold out.

oh well.

There will  be more we are just waiting on exactly how many modules we can offer.

as someone who bought shares in R18B I have a dumb question:

Why invest in more modules of R18B (10~15GH per share) if only a month after that you are launching R17 (40GB per share)
are you assuming that the difficulty will rise 400% in one month?
What does that say for the ROI of R10B?

People want the cheaper option w/ faster delivery, even tho its less hashpower.

It's a reasonable question.  I wondered it myself.  I'm guessing it's based on the cost of the mining equipment?  It would make sense it's going to get cheaper as time goes on.

M

Something in this video bugs me. When they show the bfgminer screen, the date shown is 31.10.2013, 15:31, and uptime is 0 days, so one has to conclude it is the time the video was taken. Yet it was released on 23.11.2013.

One has to wonder, why?

It's more than a month. This one is promised for mid January, the other one for late February. Figure three difficulty jumps, and these shares are $70 instead of $110.

It seems fairly close, depending on exactly the trajectory you expect difficulty to take (it isn't and never has been a uniform rise per jump, despite what calculators assume).

I just received confirmation from bitmine that R18B is sold out.

It turns out that their January Rig maxes out at 2TH/s of nominal hashrate and not the 2.5TH/s that we were expecting.

Bitmine says they're in the process of updating their site which explains the inconsistencies we saw.

mid January, right?

That's right... With a large grain of salt knowing that stuff happens even w the best (or worst) intentions.

Crossing fingers!

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Merry Christmas everyone! If you celebrate or don't celebrate this holiday, my toast of good cheers to you and yours is still the same. I'm thankful for our customers and I'm thankful for you co-op members that have helped make this co-op the success it is today by helping us improve things over time and helping one another out with knowledge. 5 months ago I had no idea I'd form the biggest public co-op in the world for BTC mining.

It's an honor to be the founder and co-leader of a co-op full of so many like minded miners, and I'm both humbled by our success and very thankful to have met my co-leaders, which has resulted in round after round of world class values, and a crypto umbrella company founded upon the core of the DZ MC (with the co-op shielded as a sub-company).

Here's to a successful 2014!

Hi All,

is there any news regarding this GB?
will it be on time? is there an estimate?

Thanks :-)

+1

Is R18B open?  Have you resolved your payment processor issues?

M

I believe it's closed, despite what op says, and that payment processor still down

you might buy shares here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386682.0

All these DMZ group buys are highly confusing. Is there any current information on which ones are open for investment? Wading though post after post in every thread is a bit much.

with the payment processor down, i'd guess there's no way to buy anything just now this second. if you want a lot of shares (10?) in a particular round, you can usually bank wire to the great bobsag3, ofc ask him first. they're all madly busy.

if you go to their website, the products marked 'add to cart' were possibly not sold out a week ago, while those marked 'moreinfo' were sold out finito full up.

There are some swiss and german hosters popping up toward the end of the coincraft thread.

...reading through which thread i guess we'd be lucky to be hashing by st val's day

Gosh, I hope not. I was hoping for some "Swiss precision" for the Bitmine Rounds seeing as they had successfully launched Avalon clones previously, and that they "just" needed to get the chip done...

For those that haven't seen it lately: There is a point after they're two months late, where instead of extra hashrate, we get our refunds back +10%.  :-\

http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850

C'mon Bitmine, we're all pulling for you guys.

So whats the word!!!!

any news?  :(

http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=25

The following rounds will have a hold placed on transfers, this hold means no transfers will be completed until the hold is lifted.

R17
R17-2
R18
R18B
R19

This hold is being placed because a few addresses are still needed and a constant change in the spreadsheet can cause problems.

If you are a shareholder in one of these rounds and have not provided a payout address you will be receiving an email this weekend requesting one please reply to it immediately, if you purchased in multiple of these buys you will get one for each you must reply to each email you receive.


ENSURE YOUR REPLY HAS THE ORIGINAL EMAIL IN IT.


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Also if anyone checks the Bitmine news section they began production today, December / January orders will receive the customer protection plan. Due to the extra power consumption this round will have a higher hosting cost to cover the additional power draw.

Why is nobody excited about this?  Isn't this good news, or am I missing something? 

http://bitmine.ch/?p=4974

Hey guys,
Incredibly new person here, with the migration of the new site my account (and my order) didn't transfer over, I tried the very limited methods of 'contact us' and I have had no reply.

My order was #757 on the 20th of November 2013.

There was also a message on the order:

"Wednesday 20th of November 2013, 07:32pm
Missing a payout address please reply to this email with one."

I tried to contact someone about this, but again no reply.
I couldn't reply to the 'email' because there was none.

Could some one please help me out please.

Cheers guys!

So when are we getting our Bitmine rigs? Any info.

wellp - this is the first and last time I try a group buy.

The information on the website seems to indicate that they were originally slated for late Jan delivery but were delayed by about 3 weeks.  To me, that would mean that they should be shipping by the end of February.  I'm hoping that someone from DZ coop can confirm my understanding.

The latest from Giorgio in the Chip thread in the CH forum is that the December units are shipping next week (with extra promised hashrate for the delay).

I have yet to receive a shipping update but our various orders have been "complete" for a while FWIW.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.msg5035177#msg5035177

Just a bump on my question, it seems no one is replying to my PMs or support tickets over at DZ.

I have practically been shafted of my money..

The spreadsheet shows the order you referenced a few posts above as complete, send a PM to confirm your address or post it publicly here.

Thanks a lot for the reply and sorry for my ignorance. PMed you with my address.

Any updates on shipping for this product?

Coincraft published that they started to deliver the rigs. First batch left the warehouse on 12 of Feb. any info on delivery for R18 units?

Hi DZ & coop

As for publications in the BITMAIN thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.msg5344946#msg5344946

there seems to be no turbo mode on the coincraft machines ..

FYI

any news if this gb is still alive. any movements?

coincraft rigs still not ready, though desks are being delivered. few more weeks. will come with extra hashing power

No shipping update yet for R18 (or R7/8).

Our Bitmine orders are:

R7/8
#2237, Rig, Mid October, showing as Processing
#2365, upgrades to Rig 1, Late October, showing as Completed

R18
#2298, Rig 2, mid-late November, showing as Processing
#4209, Rig 2 upgrades, early-mid December, showing as Completed

It's possible that they may have bundled the upgrade into the orig. orders (or viceversa), which is why the upgrades have been showing as processing for months.

Screenshot of our orders: http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/SurfSkateKauai/BitmineOrders.png
Here was the original #2237 order: http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/SurfSkateKauai/DZMCR7BMre-payment.png

(Edit: interesting that our #2237 order shows as a higher amount now; unsure if because #2365 was bundled into it, or if because of BTC's higher value)

Bitmine say that they are producing/shipping 30 units per day
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.msg5362648#msg5362648

What about our rig?
if we're 2298 order - it will take them 2 month to deliver :-(

Edite:
fixed typo, thx smooth

Don't confuse Bitmain and Bitmine. Bitmain actually ships their products when you buy them.

That's just an order number - I don't think they're selling thousands of Bitmines of which ours happens to be #2298 in the queue.

they are shipping their 'desk' model, not the 'rig' yet.

Well if that's the case then we have to wait for it. Hopefully Bitmine will deliver the :rig"  ;D this March.

the 'new' website won't even recognize my username or any emails so I guess I've been had.

www.crypto-ops.com

If so, you're not the only one. This is getting more and more scammy every day.

.b

I had the same issue, and sent them a note...

The reply was that your login will work on the old site (click on the archive site on the new site). Your orders are still displayed on the archived site.

You have to create a new account on the new site (and it will only show new orders).

As far as scam... things have not worked out as far as delivery, but it has not been the Group Buy, they have refunded 10's of thousands of dollars (maybe not as well as, target or Walmart but they don't have the man power of target or Walmart)... All in all I would have to say definitely NOT a scam... A little more communication would be nice, and this the one thing that I think they could fix to take it to the next level... People forget that communication helps to calm the nerves of the masses (and I am one of the masses). Maybe a blog would be nice... post once a day, even it is just, "hey we are still here."

danleuthner, refund recipient (about half of my shares), and I am still a member of GB 17 and 18 (~$ 2K)... 

Order #706 made on November 18, 2013. Order status: completed.

5 months.  wow.

CoinCraft Rig status updates
Posted on March 16, 2014 by Giorgio Massarotto in Coincraft series, News
Revision 3 of the prototype hashing units for the CoinCraft Rig is now hashing at the expected speed. Production to be started in very short times.

After two past major revision of the rig hashing unit, revision 3 was completely re-engineered in order to address the engineering challenged posed by the very high mining density and the 24V power distribution system. The newest prototype board, to be seen below, is now successfully working at the expected speed. We are speeding up the production as much as possible in order to reduce the delays and shoot a video of a fully populated CoinCraft Rig unit as soon as possible.

Further updates will be posted once available, we are currently expecting the first rigs to be shipped in about 2-3 weeks from now.

*sigh* two weeks from december is a very long long 2 weeks. never trust pre orders

Can we get an update on the order status... was expecting to be hashing a while ago...

How's this?


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This is the update, a vote can be put up (ie post in this thread your username / number of shares / if you want to proceed with a refund) to attempt to receive a refund from Bitmine.

Still waiting on my R17 refund. Three PMs to bobsag and at least two forum posts on the relevant thread. Have sent DZ and bobsag one last PM before I'm calling this coop a scam.

Thanks saw this about a week ago... was hoping there was a more recent update...

The co-op was a scam from the get-go, of which I've shown on a myriad of threads, with ~300 posts on Black Arrow that were deleted, including the following:

thomas_s is still at it..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500878.0

Any update on this?

I'd love to get a refund....

railzand / 1 share / refund

While they're shipping units, they're so late, and there's enough momentum, that the Refund Request Form is going in tomorrow. I would've sent it tonight but I don't have a scanner to scan my ID which they're requiring for refunds.

The refund form says that the refund should be processed in 30 days. When it arrives I'll be sending the BTC to Thomas to deliver your refunds (minus a small refund fee). BM is doing a conversion so they're sending the current USD equivalent of the BTC we sent at time of ordering.

DZ.

While you're refunding R18 you can refund my R17 shares, as politely requested several times.

I have also PM'd both you and bobsag and neither of you could be bothered with the common courtesy of a response. A marked contrast to the prompt responses when I was buying.

I will never partake in any of your future buys, having lost BTC on your scams twice now.

As its said in the R17 thread multiple times you must email support (at) minersource.net with your order details / refund address philipma has a good topic that explains exactly what is needed

There's no scam here or in R17 (or in any other co-op Round). The refund paperwork for Rounds 7A/7B, 8A/8B, and 18 was sent to Bitmine.

Bitmine promises that the refund will be processed within 30 days. They'll be disbursed back to co-op members after that.

Hi DZ

I understand that you have decided to request a refund for the whole R18,
& we are receiving the original BTC amount that we paid.

just one question:

as per bitmain cancellation policy (http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=850):

will we (the end user) be receiving the 10% addition of our initial order - or will the coop keep that?
I remind you that you are already taking a fee for the refund

Good question.

Short answer is yes, you'll receive this 10% extra minus a small refund fee from BM (a $30 administrative fee) and minus a small co-op refund fee (1.5%) on the remaining total after BM's admin costs.

Long answer: you sat through it all patiently and of course you deserve the 10% addition to your order(s) (minus the mentioned small refund fees). After all this waiting, widespread reports of underperformance of the hardware that has trickled out there have made prospects even dimmer as far as mining, so I think that if we get our refunds, we should all be happy to come out slightly ahead as opposed to the alternative.

Please have a little more patience when the refund does come through, although we'll try to refund based on earliest orders when possible (R7 first, R8 2nd, etc., based on Round dates of initiation as much as possible). This is a manual batch process and if we mess up we have no way of retrieving the funds except for the kindness of others (which has happened once).

Hi

Would love to get an update.

Cheers & Thanks for the good work.

Looking forward to my R7 refund.

3 weeks after the supposed refund process.

Please would someone post an update?!

I've emailed them every few days with 0 reply.

Thank you - its good to know that someone is taking care of this.

Would appreciate an update in another week or two even if there is no progress.

Hi thomas_s
Another 3 weeks gone by - any updates regarding the refund?

Where the hell are our refunds.

Bitmine still has the funds, and has not answered any of our refund replies.

Bitmine didn't take the money, you guys did the buck stops there. I'm assuming that's what a court of law would say, perhaps that's the next step that needs to be taken since DZ flew the coup.

Although the lack of progress & response from Bitmine
I still have confidence in the coop.

I do not believe that lashing out will get the desired outcome.

bobsag3 - please keep trying to get a response from Bitmine
& let us know if there is any progress.

*fixed post
sry thomas_s

When the sale of the hashrate was made, it was known that the funds were being collected by the coop to send to Bitmine to pay for the units, we are just a middle man of collecting funds and managing the machine when it arrives.It won't, I don't get paid to be a part of the coop and it has actually cost me a lot of time and money, lashing out against me = me no longer caring. I'll continue working on getting the refund but my speed will not be as fast.

sry - I meant to say:
I do not believe that lashing out will get the desired outcome.

no hurt intended

(fixing original posting)

O I didn't mean it against you I was agreeing with you, I am in the same boat as everyone else I have interest in almost all of the Rounds, the only difference is the money I put in I knew the risks of it could just be gone.

Whatever, I don't expect to get my money back. Bobsag ended up with a nice DC though.

A DC that had 0 funds from this GB or any other GB beyond was was paid for services rendered. Im not even involved in this GB outside of the Colocation provider.

They've been ignoring us since late March.

I sent them everything they ask for to verify ID for a full refund on March 31. Not a peep from them since or a single response to follow up emails. Please feel free to contact them as well if you'd like on everyone's behalf. I mean, the order numbers are available so we can all reference it on my Photobucket site. If they'll answer the phone to confirm: Feel free to verify that these orders were actually made to go to bobsag3 if you think they're fake orders. If they somehow contact me to confirm release of info, I'd authorize it, so that you could hear from BM that we really did make these orders. That's why I post this info and make public comments on the Blockchain in the first place: for proof.

http://s286.photobucket.com/user/SurfSkateKauai/media/BitmineOrders.png.html

It seems that the proof of orders I offered up for Rounds 1-4 for HashFast were good enough to convince the US Bankruptcy Court to send me a letter notifying me that I'm/we're a Creditor in HashFast's Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.

As far as a refund: It might help if they hear from other irate people wondering when they're going to send refunds, because I'm tired of them ignoring me. I also don't like us being accused of running off w/ funds when I've always ordered these miners as transparently as possible, and used the Blockchain for custom messages whenever possible. We've done tons of miner payouts and for the most part, there's no issues so long as the mfgs. deliver.

HashFast's public accusation against me on their Twitter feed fell flat and others even leaped to my defense because I offered public EVIDENCE. You're on the same wobbly foundation with absolutely no proof if you think one or more of us ran off with the funds. Far from dastardly profiting off of ill gotten gains, I'm way in the red just from starting this co-op, thanks to the legal fees involved with trying to get a BTC refund on Rounds 1-4. I don't have funds for another lawsuit against another ASIC mfg. but Bitmine has some explaining to do to all of us.

minersource . net/

https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/3c19624a22d8679a8ac5a870a65e483d47e1cbf1dc733166fd666d162b96f4d1/analysis/1403063826/

AutoShun - Suspicious site

Its a shopify store. Pretty hard to fake that lol.

Just like your BEs. :P

How is Colorado treating you ?

Any kind of update... aren't they shipping? I would take crappy overpriced hardware, over a cold hard F$%king...

Any status here yet?

I did get one DZ refund, but that was for R19.

Decided to keep hanging on and see where R17 went (prolly should have got the refund, but we'll see).

How is it that folks in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.4020) are getting contact to/from Bitmine, and in some cases, shipments/refunds, but the promoters of this GB go weeks/months of not even updating us?  What are you doing to fix the problem?

10 months no refund. 

I just sent another email.

Again everyone should send an email as well.

Hi there

Would appreciate an update.

Thanks,
Dave

I don't think we will every see anything from this one.

as we were told this will be refunded,
I'm going to keep trying until:

1. I get my money back
or
2. someone steps up from the group owners and declares that no refunds will be issued.

I had mostly good dealings with the DZ group so I'm sure that one of the above will happen and they will not vanish into thin air.


thomas_s/bobsag3- please let us know whats going on.

Here is the last update until Bitmine Resolves this. If you ask it will be ignored.

They replied to me saying that the refund would be processed in October or we could get the units shipped with compensation, as everyone posting says that they want this resolved quickly and no one has patience the reply to them was whichever option will end this the quickest.

They haven't replied to me yet and as I have done in the past I will continue to email them every once in a while to ask about it.

I will be ignoring all PM's asking for more information (Email them yourself to see their reply / lack of reply).

You took our money.

I don't give 2 shits about Bitmine.

That is not our deal.

Hi thomas_s
As you may have noticed October is here.

I myself would appreciate a refund.

Please let everybody in the thread know how do we proceed?!

Thank you for all of the effort put in the GB.

Regard,
Dave

They stopped replying to me again, I thought I posted that here.

Last I heard from others with mid October refund dates was that the date got pushed back due to their facility not being ready or something. It would help if they replied to my emails.

Thank you for the update.
Hope to hear better news soon.

Any news on this yet?

Ummmmmm.....

This was run by the same scammers that run Minersource, don't expect anything back from Bobsag.

Let us see if they LOCK this thread as well.

Come on Matthew, Tom, Terrence. Lock it up.