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Here I am again, 3 days later defending myself against ridiculous scammer accusations backed by fairy dust facts.  When all I really want to do is develop and launch a damn crypto-currency and do it RIGHT.

I'm not even going to spend the time and effort responding AGAIN to the same accusations that I cleared up 3 days previous.

I decided to be public and open about my identity, I knew that would attract some attention and that is fine.  We've all tried things in the past that didn't work out as planned, either because lady luck stepped in and decided not to give out luck charms that day, or some 3rd party screwed it up, and thus those things that we attempted to do failed.  Anyone that claims they have nothing in their past which went wrong and caused some upset for themselves and perhaps others is an outright liar.

What matters is that those people tried, it is better to try and fail, than not try at all.  It is easy to point the finger, making wild accusations, and twisting the facts of any event to meet a destructive agenda because of jealousy, greed or simple competitor fear.

I want to do eMunie right, but it seems that individuals within this "community" (and I use the term loosely) are hell bent on stirring up any possible crumb of information, putting some crazy spin on it so that it meets the terms of a possible accusation.  While I'm dealing with these trolls, that distracts me from the real work of developing, promoting and perfecting eMunie and being able to launch it.

I refuse to be distracted by this crap any longer, I refuse to let these people jeopardize mine and others hard work on this, I refuse to let these people jeopardize my own investment and others that have opted to invest in this venture so far.

The only way I see possible to put the brakes on all the FUD that these individuals continue to sprout like an endless fountain is to cancel the public IPO and no longer accept any further investment from individuals I do not know and 100% trust.

eMunie will now be funded by other means, most likely via raising further personal investment of my own.  I would rather take that road than have to deal with this constant BS.

To all of you that were interested in investing, I apologize for this move, I hope you appreciate the reasons behind why, and that I can not afford any further distraction delaying the launch of the system & client. 

To anyone that HAS already invested, if you are having doubts after all the recent FUD and wild accusations, and would like your investment back, please contact me directly on dan@emunie.com.

Mark my words, eMunie will launch, eMunie will be a success, and I will NOT quit until it is.

Very interesting development. How about the whitepaper?

Watching.  :D

Lol. This must be the most unprofessional move ever.

I can't belive what i just read.

Indeed, if I wasn't constantly fighting these retards, things like the client, whitepaper, wiki and other stuff would get done a lot faster.

Now I wont have to, as they won't have any ammo, so the only thing I will have to respond to is criticism and queries about the client and system itself, which is fine and just and I'll have more time for other stuff :)

I'll let you know when I'm done :)

Care to explain why you think that?

Boo.

Emunie is a great protocol. We think this community has seen too many scams recently. We have tried using the emunie beta and it works very well, we have personally invested and it is no scam. That being said the prices are going to rocket due to the rarity increasing. People need to start doing research and stop being so paranoid. However, not creating a public offering will damage the reputation and the marketing of the protocol.

Kind Regards,

The Nexus Protocol Team.

I think a lot of people were looking forward to the presale with plans to invest, myself included.

It seems like you are destroying your own project now.

To make a radical change like this seems extremly unprofessional and it will undoubtly have an impact on peoples perseption of eMunie.

I agree to the two posts above.

Your step is understandable on personal level, but this is seriously harming the launch and acceptance process

You made your point, now use the ignore button for cry kids and go on with IPO and work on eMunie

I see your points, but a lot of my time lately is just taken up dealing with endless FUD directed at me personally.

We all know the damage that FUD can create, especially if it goes un-managed and/or ignored, but by doing that, the flip side is that the development of the project and the time already ploughed into it suffers instead.

If eMunie was launched already and had a solid user base, then it wouldn't be an issue and could more readily be ignored.  That time has not come to pass yet, so to ensure the continued progress of the project, this seemed to me to be the best move at this moment in time.

But how do you expect to get a solid user base  (aka. good distribution) when you cancel the public IPO?

The less people buying in the presale, the more scam accusations will there be.

And opposite. For every extra person buying eMunie in the presale you got 1 more indivdual supporting the project.

The purpose it seems of the public offering was for a fair release, you have expressed this a number of times via emunie forum posts. This direction will not help distribution and will only serve for others to view it as more of a scam due to no public offering.

King Regards,

The Nexus Protocol Team.

Hi Fuserleer
I have not yet subscribe on your forum to have serious discussion.

I guess everything I wish to say can be sum by this: don't rush it.
I will now write more.

Have you seen it?

The eMU community supporting you and who cares about a few FUDers with twentysome activity. Probably they invested into something else and they are afraid of their investment.

One way is to perform a public IPO immediately on launch with a limited amount of currency, with the same terms as what was specified already.

That way the general public that aren't a bunch of trolls can participate, and the project can no longer be called a scam, as its out there.

I'm open to thoughts and suggestions, but bear in mind that my primary concern right now is system development, not investment.  It's always been that way, but with a preference of the initial user base is ready to go on the day.

As we've seen that's caused some issues, so my current thinking is something along the lines of the above.

Um, because you use the word 'retards' to describe others? It doesn't matter what people say about you, a good company should aim higher and keep dignity in response to others, at least if you are seeing major financial investment.

Yes we have used the beta.

Kind Regards,

The Nexus Protocol Team.

I've been dignified here for months on end after constant attacks with much more insulting responses aimed at myself....plus these current events are personal attacks, not aimed at eMunie or its workings, so I think I'm perfectly just in loosening up my "professional etiquette" somewhat and calling a spade a spade.

No, its not "understandable". It makes so sense.

So because you're "fighting" with some people calling you a scammer you're going to deny the general public of a chance to invest in your product? How old are you?

This is the real world. Regardless of what you want to release, you can be releasing the first complete quantum computer or some commercial jetpack, infact, you could even have beta ready, as long as people don't have evidence (Demo's, videos - which you quite frankly haven't provided) or proof of the working (Whitepapers, etc - Which I haven't seen either) whatever you're realeasing will be a "SCAM".

Deal with it, Ignore them or get someone else to deal with it. Release the product. If you truly believe what you're doing is great, anyone calling you a scammer should be nothing but fuel.

This is the community you're dealing with / HAVE to deal with. It's filled with scammer, users, and people trying to make a quick buck. What were you expecting?

Your online history isn't exactly crystal clean, you didn't expect people to have doubts?

If this actually happens, I will lose all interest in emunie - and I know I wouldn't be the only one.

Why? because it would technically then ACTUALLY be a scam. You would basically be turning it into the Fuserleer club of emunie holders. Thats not a decentralized currency. Emunies will be owned by only the people you allow. How does this make any sense?

There's already a big debate about how its not decentralized and how you can generate emunies at will (Yes I've been following, I know its the system that generates emunie based on supply/demand) but there's still at least that initial creation of x amount of emunies. And now you're making it a private club?

Even mathematically, it makes no sense. You seem to have ALOT more supporters than people calling you a scammer. You want to deny your 1000 supporters, because 50 people called you a scammer (numbers are fabricated). Obviously negativity always takes precedence. I SERIOUSLY do not know what you were expecting.

I don't want to continue ranting, I was actually going to invest in emunie(85% chance I'd say, I even wanted to be a beta tester/contribute you can check your thread) everything looked good, wasn't built overnight - but seeing this terrible decision making and childish reasoning. I'm back on the fence.

I'm very disappointed and for your sake I'm hoping this is a brilliant publicity stunt.

Regardless of the FUD, I would like to see some form of pre-sale.

Also, I would like to point out that you would simply need to post a comprehensive article for all to reference in terms of the accusations.

There are certain limits to how much you can address the accusations, but consider that a nail in the coffin. I know it can be frustrating, but I urge you to display greater patience in dealing with these people.

This is a somewhat abrupt and unprofessional step.

As I said, consider some form of comprehensive article to debunk the accusations. Also devise the means to let people know you can't simply take off with the money. That way, when some other fool wanders in and starts bitching, others can simply point and link the article in question.

I look forward to the public pre-sale.

Way to miss the point. Stop saying retarded (http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2012/10/stop-saying-retarded/)
I too admit to using retarded as an insult at times so I am in no ways better but I try to.

Also, eye for an eye is not the best approach to conflicts.

May I see it, snapshots at least?!

Thanks

As the person who takes care of Worldcoin's marketing I go through this same thing every single second of every single day. Every crypto goes through it and you have to hold you head up high and try to work around it or at least defend from it, never attack. This is a terrible move, sorry.

The main problem I see with eMunie right now is it's information disorganization.
You are completely overloaded with over/disinformation.
It also seems the core team view has changed pretty often too.

I read presell,
I read no fixed amount of coin,
I read coin will be generated once and for all with one IPO (the term presell becoming absurd)
I read more coin will be created later on to stabilize the price.
I read 600k$ have been invested by early betatester..
I read no sell nor prepresell have been done.
I read some have indeed already invested money
I read pretty much everything and it's contrary.

One important thing that you need now is: quality centralized information,
accessible to newcomer to get a real glimpse of what your project is and will be.

About your last move of cancelling the IPO, I don't judge.
I may even support it. IPO doesn't seem a reliable way to got in this cipherworld.

But about restricting investment to "individuals you do know and trust 100%", that is indeed a very unprofessional move.
Basically you announce that the original splitting will be amongst an elite of your choice.
Where you should seek the most fair and best wealth repartition (avoiding NXT-like at all cost).

All this probably takes you a lot of time.
'hope you will have read this message amongst other.
Really: don't rush your project. It's not a matter if it comes live only in 2-3 month.
Time need to be taken to improve information toward newcomer, and improving the original distribution ideas.

Many possibilities.
My personal wish: take time to consider proof of burn (lots of advantage).
Sole problem with it: original investment is from your pocket, making your reward too weak considering your work.
(That's XCP counterparty protocol style)
But this problem can be solved with additional idea build on top of your project.
Allowing you, the main dev, the other dev, and even the original betatester if you wish to have an additional reward on top of the main one.

Best of luck to your project.
Not ready to be lunch yet, please don't over-rush.

Granted, but there is a difference between the 2, WorldCoin has been around for a decent period of time, is cemented as a respectable currency.  

This move isn't an attack, it is a defense, which will allow me to concentrate 100% on what needs to be done RIGHT NOW as opposed to spending time tackling issues head on that are of no relevance to the project right now.

My thinking is that if I remove the call for investment, which is fueling these attacks, that is the best form of defense available to me right now.  At a later stage, and in a step to discard any doubts of scam, vapourware, or anything else of the sort, we can hold an open beta for a few week, THEN revisit the idea of a public IPO to achieve the distrubution and other goals that we had in mind here.

That way at least, everyone that is interested has the chance to test drive the system and make up their own mind.   At the moment it is a controlled beta, as that satisfies the development requirements currently, and that also is fueling this current round of FUD.

That sounds sensible.  :)

Some trolls are trolling and you shut down the IPO?
The other 99% (no trolls) are sad now.

Yeah probably the best move all round as its kills of the trolls and accusations, and would still allow the achievement of the goals originally intended.  It is one option I may consider.

Those that have lost confidence in myself or the project, I apologize, but when the amount of time you are spending on this kinda stuff has risen from 5% to 50% in the past 2 months alone, I had to do something.

The plan was the launch end of Jan/early Feb, but that is beginning to look unlikely purely due to spending so much time OFF the project....I had to do something.

Yeah,

I'm going to comment in here as someone on the fence of your idea.

Some people have doubts about your trustworthiness.  They post that you're not trustworthy, this currency is a scam, yada yada.  Well, if you're cancelling your IPO, you're only cementing the idea that you're untrustworthy because you're backtracking.  If you were trustworthy, then why would you need to cancel your IPO?  Cancelling your IPO makes you look like you were forced to backtrack from legitimate criticism.

TLDR: Cancelling your public IPO makes you look more guilty not less.  If you are a trustworthy person, then you should seriously reconsider cancelling this public IPO.

So if I get this right, you are essentially turning this into a premine? Because if you favoring those who invested over those that didn't, yet take that option away it is essentially akin to a premine, same as Nxt was.

I'm going to make the prediction there will be no public IPO, there was never any intention of being a public IPO, and that this whole saga is being orchestrated to build maximum interest in yet another scam coin.

Thats makes 0 sense. you want him to backtrack on his backtrack. Personally I think he made the correct choice

Good.
The way you did it with this post was far from perfect.

You best defense available right now is to announce any kind of investment is reported until ideas, development and public communication is improved.

Announce that investment form will have to be completely rethinked again.
(Switching from "sell", "presell", "IPO", "privateIPO", "no IPO" doesn't help.)

Yeah, simply officially announce that investment is reported until fundation are solidified.
No need to precise a date.
No need to precise right now that "it will be an IPO" or "it will not be an IPO".

From the glimpse of the mess I got today, you shouldn't plane a lunch before March.
Lots of work to do.
I'm happy to help with idea and discussion if that is wished.

Its a valid point and I considered it before making the move.

But I would rather spend the large amount of time dealing with this stuff, actually getting the product ready and perfect, then revisit this whole idea later on when I DO have the time to tackle the FUD without ending up having to constantly delay stuff.

If people determine that I AM untrustworthy and dishonest from this move, so be it, that is up to you to decide and your own opinion which I respect.  I only hope that just around the corner when the redemption from that judgement arrives, you at least acknowledge it and hold me and my project in the regard which was initially intended.

The plan is I believe to release a public beta before offering a new public sale which well dispel the rumors that a client / coin even exists (It does btw, I am in the beta)

I think you're letting everyone get to you. The scam thing is not something that goes away. Heck even BTC still gets cries of scams, on a much larger scale than eMunie. You have to let it pass and sometimes it's better off being ignored.

I don't really understand why you need to be the one responding to all the criticism.  You're the developer.  You responded to it.  Now, it's up to your deputies and moderators to scour the forums and defend your system and reputation.  You should be beyond being the solo representative for your brand now.  You should not be even looking at the forums that much at this point, it takes too much time!  This should not be a reason to delay an IPO.

TLDR: Your allies should be responding to accusations and criticism, not you.  Your work time should be spend nearly 100% on development.  The time it takes to respond to criticism is not a valid reason to cancel your public IPO.

We tried that, and all that achieved was further accusations and escalation of the claims that I have something to hide because I was sending out my "minion" to deal with it.

Aside from dealing with this kind of thing, I don't post anywhere other than the eMunie forum, as correctly, I do not have the time.

What the hell? Every big project has haters. Haters have 2 sides: negative one and positive(yeah) and positive side always win. Haters do "black" PR, promotion wins because every 1 man that emunie loose due to haters activity compensates with 2 mans that got info about emunie from haters and decided to risk or at least to follow news about it. So haters always help. Lol. But if you close public presale you will do damage to yourself. I wanted to invest. And now i am fucking angry, but reason are not haters but your decision. You reduce number of people who must create security pillow, destroying dreams of fair currency( nxt is shit) because number of owners of emunie at start must be as big as possible for creating stable currency. Also many people waited for this presale and now you with excuse of spending time on haters(why you even respond to them), now with this move of cancelling presale you just  said to your true followers: "Fuck you!" What the hell man.  I think you create bad situation. Haters win. Currency loose because of less presale. Thank you very much for your arrogance you just shit in our souls.

OK let me share some info about how out of hand this is getting:

https://i.imgur.com/kyaWMfK.png

Also people purporting to blackmail me with this FUD (I'm guessing in an attempt to extract some of the investments from me)

https://i.imgur.com/hoBihIf.png

There is more, much more, and much worse.

This isn't your usual set of trolls, these are people with much more sinister agendas in hand.

Losing too much time answering to scam accusation is indeed unproductive.
But expressing yourself to the community(-to-be) is important.
Your not only the dev, you're the project leader.

Maybe your private betatester understand where your project is heading.
But 'seem to me they are the only one.

Delegate work, but official centralized information will need to be officially confirmed - if not posted - by you.

1. development/ideas
2. communication/information (organized + quality)
3. investment
There is priorities, but you cannot skip any of the 3.
Number 2 quality is lacking big time.

Closed source, closed betatester? 'fine but only with video for the public of concert working example, or something.

'feel like I'm losing my time...
Hope my advice weren't vain. Delay.
Best of luck, but a successful project isn't only code.

You need to address this promptly. These people can potentially face criminal prosecution if you know who they are. Internet does not guarantee you are above such actions, and all digital footprints are traceable.

Don't cancel your public pre sale for this. Meet them head on. Find out who they are. Deal with them legitimately and promptly.

I will be trying to track them down yes, and prosecute as far as the law will allow me to.

This disadvantage of trying to do anything on the internet i suppose :/ Anyway can scream and shout from behind there computer and not give a crap because its not in the real world. Good luck with your project and i would certainly try to just ignore the nay sayers!

Wait.. were people already buying presell emu???  I signed up to be notifed and wanted to get in on it. iveeven got big plans on running a powerful hatcher. Geez man

I don't know why this would cause you to decide to cancel the IPO unless they did go ahead and blackmail you somehow.  If they had no way to blackmail you then presumably you would ignore them, if they did have a way to blackmail you then you might react the way you are doing, giving credence to their claims.  I was ready to invest in eMunie but now it looks like I'll just have to wait to see what happens.  I hope things go more smoothly from here.

It wasn't the only factor in play, there were many that led to this decision.

Lets weigh up the options with regard to the blackmail

1)  Fight it constantly, never get to where you want to be
2)  Pay them off to "keep the peace" and dig a bigger hole
3)  Remove the ammo from the gun and deal with them in a legal manner

I chose 3, regardless of claims accuracy, as would any sensible individual.

Relax. Things will cool down and you'll get your chance one way or the other. Point is all this time spent answering FUD is taking time away from finishing the client. The only ones who's been able to invest at this point are beta-testers and founders. That information has been in the open all along.

Just a few other suggestions - some of the things they dug up DOES raise questions, such as your employment history or supposed 'scam'. Not everyone will go through the threads and read the rebuttals. I think it would be best if you hired someone or asked someone you trust to write up a rebuttal and complete debunking without really revealing anything you won't be responsible for legally.

This will allow you to win over the questionable things in your record (assuming you have any) while giving you plenty of time to work as a dev, not as a public relations manager.

Also, if they are trying to blackmail you, ffs don't EVER let them receive a thing - negotiating with blackmailers is failure step 1 in the first place.

I think it would be wise to allow someone you trust to clear the air without revealing anything you don't have to. Right now, there are some things with what they dug up that, whether legitimate or not, does raise serious questions about you as a person and your activities - unless they know you personally. Don't take it personally - from where other people are standing, you can start to look suspicious even if you are not given how much they have dug up about you. That's the current picture, and one way or another you will have to provide something that assures investors you are not a scammer.

I am sure you can manage this. I hope for the best of e munie, and possible reinstatement of pre-sale.

I only see 15-30 post supporters, must be sockpuppets / clones.

We have seen enough scams over here, remember JohnCar / Iamatrix? / PhenixCoin / PhenixEx? Even I fell for it... My scam-radar was somehow disabled by greed...

Proof of burn is pretty much the only way to disable my scam-radar now ;)

Only 15-30 post supporters. MUST be sockpuppets. Are you for real
pre-sale is cancelled (you cannot lose money)
beta investors can get their btc back if they wish
MUST be a scam

It's quite ironic that the recent scam accusations, and the rigorous defending of eMunie by its dev has actually made the IPO seem a lot more legitimate.

You didn't need you to cancel the IPO. All you needed to do was defend it with evidence and show that, contrary to what people think, it is a legitimate IPO.

In the long run I think cancelling the public IPO will do more harm than good, but I agree that the scam accusations are also harmful. In that case, I would perhaps suggest just creating a thread with a detailed outline of what eMunie has done, and is doing so far. Present the evidence, then lock the thread. Any time someone cries scam, you can point them in the direction of said thread and allow them to make an informed decision.

I wouldn't take it personally. If you're looking for someone to blame for this, then blame the IPO scammers. This sea of paranoia was created by them. It's not an attack on eMunue. It's an attack on all IPOs.

Yes, you shouldn't need to spend every other minute defending it, however it you do it once, in a single place, then it's just a matter of copy/pasting a URL. Nobody would expect you to respond to every single accusations, especially if they're all the same accusation. The problem here is that people are uninformed, and with more visibility, so people can be informed, the scam accusations should decrease.

Or you could, god forbid, ignore some trolls on the internet...

& make it clear somewhere-easy-to-find the % already reserved for dev and betatester...

Your project of latter on adding or reducing coin to stabilize the price also seem difficult(impossible?) to achieve without central control.
If EMU is centralized, I out + free to stop thinking about getting in.

Can we have an independent audit of the code (with NDA of coz)? If everything is legit then u could just ignore the trolls and stick to the plan. Everyone would be happy (except the trolls but who cares)...

So?
What kind of info they have to blackmail you?
What kind of info can destroy emunie?

Just ignore them.

Or you want to tell us THERE IS an info they can use to blackmail you and to destroy emunie?
So if it is true and they know "something" - how cancelled presale can stop them from doing it?
Or you want to cancel emunie?  

What the hell. if i am honest man i don't give any fuck to haters, their blackmails etc.
Its impossible to blackmail honest man or destroy REAL and not scam currency.

People will buy it on presale just because they waited this for so long time and they believe in it.
New people will buy it just because it wasn't "1 day currency" as other scam currencys, it was in developing for so long.
And wasn't exploded after "nxt" boom.

Your fear about blackmail and broken hope of your followers that were waiting this presale will damage emunie much harder than all haters on the world.

Log the IP of that guy Maet/Cossakman on your forum and report him to the authorities for extortion. He pm'd me asking if I wanted to help blackmail you because he thinks eMunie is a scam.

http://coinmotors.com/maet.png

You have a BHW tab in your browser, he'll label you a scammer and attempt to blackmail you next. :)

BHW is the best forum out there. Taught me everything I know about internet marketing, and web design. And I told him to quit insulting BHW.

man up man  8) I havent seen a coin on this forum that hasnt been called a scam  ;D

You have to understand that ALL companies around the world are being criticizes everyday, every second... company's like Wal-Mart, Lowe's, Verizon Wireless, Comcast Cable, Pizza Hut, Amazon.com, Wells Fargo Bank, CNN News, Facebook, Donald Trump, US Congress, Foot Locker, so on so on.. i know eMunie is not a huge company or anything but company's do respond to criticism but not in this type of manner. If you truly believe about the future of eMunie then you have to look pass the negativity and keep moving forward. your wasting precious time trying to convince the naysayers. look at it as a test. all business big and small go though this daily. the good outweighs the bad. Don't ever make post like this again. EVER..  

P.S. unCanelled Public IPO. your letting the haters win..

oh uh -

heres the hint - when you want the price to go down to let your group B get in at a better price - start to respond .

all other times just ignore ha ha : D

(that's a joke, I'm joking now )

friend no one cares, i don't even know what happened, when is it launching ?

you could literally be dating my mum, (and she had a sex change she is a dude ! )  < thats not true) for all i care, or that relates to Crypto.

ha ha what even happened ?

welcome to cryptocurrency ha ha -


personally i love this FUD - but that's just me.

: D

Dam.


I knew i was going to have to read.

can anyone explain and save me this strenuous mental task !

Haters are gonna hate. You shouldn't have cancelled just because of those accusations.

i liked retards.

+1

Found another sockpuppet :)

Meanwhile at the NXT and Ripple camps...

http://www.kantei.go.jp/jp/asophoto/2008/11/images/21apec1.jpg

Yes I invested all my coin into worldcoin... so I could buy almost 600 :-) feel free donate some, since Worldcoin is not giving much giveaways WXPDe53SqN5XeDbnMsSAufpGDhcTZJqmik

@Fuserleer

i am registered at you forum. I tried to find figute out what you coin is about since you had a lot supporter. But what I think is really annoying, that you make it really difficult too understand. There are no details and if I asked, my question never got really answered.

my recommendation to you

1. appologize for your behavior here. It sounds hard, but dont play the victim. You are in a business world. It is not okay to call people "retards" this is just discriminating.

2. be more transparent. if you system is good people will come and support you

3. in my opinion you should not give coins to different prices out. I would have invested, but its really discouraging. I dont have a lot of money, but you will distribute the money simply to people who have already money and just want to increase there value.

4. even if you dont like people you can and should not exclude them. you will be higly untrustable. I mean, if we have a argument, you simple banne me from getting my opinion out? maybe my funds get lost etc.


In your case I would considere my suggestions instead of seeying as an attack against you. It is also a pitty for me, since I am not able to invest anymore.

A pre-sale shuld be to everyone who would like to buy some to the price of .1 cents or less. even if someone only would like to buy only one. otherwise its already favoring some people and give all other a disadvantage.


what stupid demand and supply is this. its all set up.


dont forget, you have competitions. Ripple, worldcoin, bitcoin, nxtcoin. So I personally thing, that the nxtcoun has a bad community. they even advertised in there forum for giveaways for beggers. you shouldnt do such thing. we are all human, and of course people are happy to receive some freecoins if they dont have enough money. And all other made enough. also not with too much work. just by beeing lucky.


try to make you coin much fairer and be polite. all other coins faced also critics. I mean enough articles about worldcoin and that it is a clone.
People you favored by giving them a beta position of course will support you, since they want a share of the money. the will not give you critics. and you need to have critics to improve your system in my opinion.

this means unfortuantely you jsut have to work harder. since you want a coin for everyone.

thank you for reading. and I hope you understand.

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't fuseleer disclosed his real identity? That counts for a lot in my book. Accusor is full of bs.

doesn't make sense..

How many scammers here have ever disclosed their real identity?

Lets have accusor's real identity and then look at his accusations closely. Want to bet on the result?

You know OP (thread starter) is fuserleer right? He already disclosed his name.

Not Op then, I meant the accusor.

“I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure.”

This is a big plus. Where could I get more info?

Wow ...

Fuserleer, I understand your reasoning for canceling, but to me it seems like you are giving them exactly what they want ->  Disrupting your project.

Instead of listening to them, you should listen to your investors who are waiting for the presale.  I know because I'm one of them and had actually moved some funds around so I could be ready.

I really hope you reconsider, at the very least you should allow those who signed up to be notified before today a chance to invest.

All the hate and mud slinging just shows you are on the right track.  It honestly doesnt matter what you do now, you will be criticized for going on with it, canceling it, whatever ... I can almost guarantee canceling the public IPO will just bring more 'scam accusations'

Get used to it. This is a game for thick skin

This has to be the most childish, unprofessional thing i've ever heard.

This thread makes me have serious doubts that you are even ready to lead a company. And if their is weak leadership the company will fall shortly after, no matter how good the product is.

You say you want to be bigger then bitcoin, to be a mass monetary company and yet you can't deal with a little FUD talk on some forums. Absolutely pathetic.
 
I really was a believer in eMunie and i was going to buy out as much eMunie with my btc as i could get.

I'm sorry to say you've lost an investor (forever) for piss poor ***public relations. Without that, you will never be the company you are trying to achieve to be.

Cheers.

If crypto-currencies one day take over the world, we will then one day walk down the street and greet each other by yelling SCAM and throwing rocks.

It is the natural order of how things work here.

eMunie may or may not be a scam. Concerns exist. Investors just need to decide if the risks are worth the potential reward.

A lot of criticisms come from people with vested interests. Bitcoin old money is threatened by new alternatives. I love seeing the centralized ventures of Bitcoin old money crumble:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tradefortress (https://www.google.com/search?q=tradefortress)

eMunie, like Ripple, threatens Bitcoin old money. Bitcoin millionaires have a lot to gain in seeing new ventures fail. Likewise, other new alternative ventures---whether they be DOGE or NXT have vested interest in seeing eMunie fail. Even enthusiastic eMunie investors may see an advantage in depressing the price by spreading FUD. I know that if XRP price tanked I would start buying like wild. Consider vested interests.

Scam or not, systems like eMunie, NXT, and MasterCoin high risk investments based on: undiscovered potential fundamental flaws, unproven abilities of the system, and possible ineptitude of those at the helm. Almost all next gens are Alpha release quality systems at this point. I am not invested eMunie as of this moment, but have a lot of interest in the underlying system. I do not have enough info at this point to be comfortable investing.

Need to demonstrate ability to mature is going to be vital. A lot of growing pains will occur, which everyone also needs to weigh when investing in new unproven tech:

http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/03/major-glitch-in-bitcoin-network-sparks-sell-off-price-temporarily-falls-23/ (http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/03/major-glitch-in-bitcoin-network-sparks-sell-off-price-temporarily-falls-23/)

Fuserleer: delay the IPO. Revise your delivery timeline. Acknowledge needing more time to handle both the development and operations overhead of launching a new currency system. Give yourself ample padding in the new timeline. Apologize and own up to delivery shortcomings, where appropriate; own it all. You seem burnt out. Unplug from the internet for a week. No dev. No e-mail. No forum flame wars. It would be the best thing you could do for your investors. A bad launch will be worse for your investors than a delayed launch. Come back and prove everyone wrong---if you are up to it.  ;)

I've been reading through the emunie forum posts the last 3 weeks. I agree it takes some time to understand the concept of eMunie, because it is very much different from bitcoin and its altcoin clones. Also, there's no whitepaper yet, so you have to dig into the forum to get a picture of how it works. But there are a lot of good summary posts there which explain most aspects pretty well. Although some details still need to be filled in, I got a pretty good idea by now of how eMunie works, and I think it is very beautifully thought out.

I am trying to figure out how new EMU gets created automatically and how it isn't inflationary.

I searched and searched, but could not find a clear mathematical description other than half the new EMU goes to  prior EMU holders and half to hatchers. It seems that this requires all EMU holders to continue purchasing EMU to maintain their existing percentage. I guess if all EMU holders can maintain their prorata share of the hatching distribution, then it wouldn't be inflationary, but I haven't found a clear description on how exactly one controls one prorata share of hatching.

Also, how is the market price determined. There seems to be some mechanism that chooses the equilibrium point that the EMU should trade at. Is this algorithmically determined? It is arbitrary choice?

Sorry if these are silly question answered elsewhere, I just haven't found it after searching for hours.

I suspect this is the real reason for cancelling the presale - preventing further dilution of existing investment.

It's NXT all over again.

first the trolls say emunie is a scam cos according to them all Dan wanted was to cash in on a public IPO and run off.
now they say it is a scam cos he decides to renounce to the public IPO (and giving up an all the income it could have generated him).
make your minds up trolls!!!and btw i think he made a mistake to give in to some trolls who were paid by NXT holders to slander emunie
here is that troll advertising his slander services in return for NXTs.
https://i.imgur.com/kyaWMfK.png

the "scam" accusation thread was a total orchestrated troll by one sad individual to make a few coins  .he opened that thread as soon as Dan announced on his forums he was taking weekend off/break  (so he couldn't answer promptly).
and btw most of the accusations regarding blackhat an personal life dan had already answered countless times before (in the past 2 weeks at least 3 times)
all is explained on the emunie forums and in other bitcointalk threads . he has been very open about it all.
here you can find Dan answering about blackhat stuff and more.
http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/36-hi-im-dan/

I hope dan reconsiders but obviously it is disheartening when people call all your efforts and hard work a scam.
i think dan should ignore the trolls.....and shut them up in the only way possible : the release.
once it is released and there is indeed a working product people can use.....all the accusations will count for nothing. and it will be obvious who the real scammers were.
I still feel he should do a public IPO...otherwise people are gonna complain about limited initial adoption. and that will be a legitimate complaint.

I didnt read that whole Nxt thread, but I was informed that the guys over there told him in no uncertain terms to GFH. Lets not stir up even more FUD here.

The guy didnt need to be paid to do his dirty work because he was driven by his unbalanced nature to attack emunie.

No need to go looking for other culprits..

Make the project open source.

I was so looking forward to the IPO :( Very sad

+1

Anybody?

You should look into Graincoin (GRA).  PoS, pays interest, rewards miners for loyalty with random 'superblocks.'

Just had its IPO on Coinedup less than 2 days ago.  Volume picking up in the past few hours but still cheap.

Dev is on top of things, coin foundation is PPC so it is an energy efficient second gen coin.  PoS will eventually overtake PoW as power costs and Moore's law make mining impossible. 

With all the talk of Coinye this week, GRAin, the 'whitebread alternative' (haha) has been overlooked.  This is a good one to get on board with now! 

Value has already doubled in the past day.

After reading every one of the emunie forum posts it took me all of about 15 minutes worth of google-searching to find out his real name and background.  Based on cross-checking relevant info --and-- based on his responses to forum post I never once felt as though there was ANY type of shady answers or suspicious behavior.  If you're patient and thorough in doing your due diligence (as one would expect any rational individual to do when investing) then it wasn't too hard to find.

I won't post his profile directly since it's easy enough to find on your own.

However, in the spirit of honesty, trust, integrity and transparency you can easily see who I am since it is linked to my Profile over on the emunie forum.

Peachy
emunie Beta Tester

Many people doesn't understand that a real cryptowar is going on.

After BTC success we can see not only interest of scammers in making easy money but also interest of rich/powerfull people and organisations in taking over BTC alternatives or kill these which are hard to be controlled.
You must now use to this kind of infobattles. This gonna be much much more NASTY!
Where are big money there are major attacks.

You will see not only barbaric attacks between potential BTC-killing coins owners, their greedy stock holders and i am sure governments will also join this game (they don't like BTC a lot...).

I don't belive in RIPPLE. I see it as a pure try to kill BTC. it grown too fast to be legit. This needed to have too much help from outside. This system looks like a try to replace BTC with fully centralised and controlable system.

I don't like Mastercoin too. Just because of it's bad construction being leecher damaging BTC.
 
I have reasons to not fully belive NXT. It would gain the most if. But i see also whole blackmail action against NXT community too. But also many people got reach on NXT which launch wasn't democratic and gave to much power too small nr of ppl.

And now i lost trust in eMUnie too.

I don't shut doors definitively for eMunie or for NXT. But being caucios is now only reasonable way and you shouldn't give money for anything you aren't sure of and u shouldn't belive anyone but only proofs of work, legit outside opinions and open code comments.    



And make it transparent. Limited number or beta-testers is not enough anymore since nobody will or should believe them.

Respond to all major accusations. Show proofs, things showing you are legit programmer, that emunie code isn't scam, showing true proofs of identity and work.  

Think 3 times before doing something like this here... ;) In this world reputation of person and project is all. You can't keep all centralised anymore and hide your work. You can't over

Fight with proofs, real stuff not words. Let proofs be your only and best defense. Energy should be used on eMunie related work only. The rest wil solve itself when work will be done. On forum don't give general ideas but all possible details, hard data and proper explainations to not leave any free space for bad interpretations.

Be open for help of others while never beliving them completly.

Remember this is not a game anymore it's a real WAR. Your personal life will be affected if u want or not. Remember it doing anything in your life now. This is a public show now.

/edit
PS. extee, thanks. im less confused now ;) it's community job to defend dev if they belive in project 

i think this new video shuts up all the trolls
the beta client is already in more advanced state than many other clients out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOsvGz5X5OI


I hope Dan reconsiders. it needs to be a fair and open IPO where everyone has the chance to invest if they want.

Hey Fuserleer,
I understand you are completely fed up with these shitheads. And you have all reasons to be fed up. But you should know that the silent majority is supporting your good work. And is standing behind you!

The public IPO (even if you cancelled it for now) will proof how much people believe in this project. I do. So continue the good work.

Cheers.

As I am oft fond of saying:  "Those that matter don't mind.  Those that mind don't matter."

Its funny how people are calling Emunie a scam, If you take a little time to research and ask questions, you will quickly realize that Emunie isn't structured in a way it can be a scam like all the commodity coins. If you don't like Emunie after doing your research, don't use it, these systems are all voluntary, not mandatory. The fact is, someone has a monetary incentive to trash any new coin, be it a scam or not.

From my understanding of Emunie, the presale will not benefit the creator any more than investor due to the lack of incentive to dump the coins in mass. Even if we see a dramatic increase in price, dumping your coins will benefit you just as much as anyone. If you didn't get in on the presale, that's your fault for not investing. Everyone will have the chance to invest in this system eventually. If your angry, your obviously not understanding whats going on, if your on the fence about investing just wait until your risk model signals a buy, if your a troll... Here have some food, you look hungry.

If trust is an issue, everyone in this conversation should stop playing around with all programmable currencies. We all know bitcoin has a large premine and could be dumped by any one of the large holders at any moment. Heck most of the coins are centralized in one way or another. Emunie addresses some very valid needs of Liquidity, Privacy, and Stability (not pegged to USD, but smoother price fluctuations in general). Emunie is about to raise the standard for people making a programmable currency. A little birdie told me, that something very big is about to happen to our world. Its about to get very secure, very fast, and our world will never be the same.

A line is being drawn in the sand and every one in these petty arguments have already chosen a side in the larger conflict. If you don't know what I'm speaking of, lurk more, are you watching, divide and conquer, stop fighting your allies, change is coming, (And not the Obama change either :P)

Oh yea, Fuserleer, go get to work, let the free markets do this work. You only have one job, finishing the client. The people who are financing this campaign against Emunie are only afraid of what Emunie actually is.  I admire the work I've seen, I am still confident in everything your doing. The risk meter is still high for many, but that's investing for you. Just wait everyone, you will all see.

Those of you who think for yourself and aren't part of this paid campaign against Emunie have already done your homework and have either realized what this means, or that you dont like it. Its that simple, do your homework and then decide. If your not willing to do your own research, you have no business playing with investment capital in this market.  Reading a forum post about something is no excuse for research.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.   Eleanor Roosevelt

I for one would like to discuss the Idea behind Emunie not the events and certainly not the person. Fuserleer could have been another Sonny King or Satoshi. The fact of the matter is that he didn't, He chose to be on the front lines of the clearly drawn line in the sand, stand behind the brave warrior that he is choosing to be. Anyone who chooses to be a public figure in the current struggle between the ruling class and the rest of the world is a true hero.

If your risk model says to hold off then hold off, if your one of the people being payed to slander his hard work, you have chosen a less than virtuous path. "may the road you choose be the right road." Bix Weir

The Socratic dialogue speaks of the virtue of man, I advise everyone here to read and become very familiar with the philosophical foundation that will lead humanity forward toward our unknown fate. The beautiful religious metaphors that the vast majority of people have followed are in need of an new vision. To reach a truly virtuous life, one must understand we have outgrown metaphors and its time to combine our knowledge of humanity as a whole. The amazingly structured metaphors of religious faith, the philosophical footwork of great minds, the scientific feats of unfathomable magnitude, are all part of who we are as humans. Our purpose has yet to be realized, but one thing is for sure, it involves communication, compassion, and respect for the fragile opportunity we have been given to exist...


This was my desperate request to everyone here to communicate in a respectful, productive and thoughtful manner, regardless of social affiliation, faith, or belief.

Much respect to you all, much respect to Fuserleer, and much respect to the chunk of rock we were given the opportunity to live on. The human race is learning to walk, its difficult to shake the negativity involved in progress. However, the three primary driving forces we face as humans is, Religion, Politics, and Money.

Regardless of what projects come out on top, everyone here is fighting for the same cause even if they don't know it.
Decentralization and financial inclusion combined with cooperative stability is the single most important endeavor we as humans will do in this decade. It's time to break through the status quo, eliminate the restrictive dogmas of the past and become a truly civilized race.

I will say no more...

(TLDR) EMUNIE IS NOT BITCOIN!! It serves different purposes. If your risk model refuses to let you invest in Emunie, don't invest until your risk model signals a buy. Mushy and enlightening Eleanor Roosevelt quote Blah Blah... There is something a lot bigger happening with the human race. A clear division of social classes has developed in the world and an inevitable conflict has begun. You have chosen your side, stop fighting your allies. More enlightening, mushy mushy blah blah... I will say no more.

I meant proof of his identity (scan of driving licence, his photo with a sheet of paper and "I am Fuserleer" on it). Not that thread (http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/36-hi-im-dan/) where he told about himself, coz it proves nothing.

CfB,
Suppose that was provided.  Do you think that would be the end of the discussion? Probably not.  Others would demand even more extreme requirements.  They would shout that it was faked/photoshopped...etc.   Birth certificate? Passport?   How about a skype call?  Seems like this is turning into a nervous witch-hunt.

If that's the level of trust you need in a programmer, would you be willing to provide an equal level of "proof" as you are effectively the 1 man holding up Nxt?  

General recommendation: I'd say hold off on investing in emunie (or any investment for that matter) until you are solidly comfortable with what is being offered.  I completely expect that a version of the application will be provided to the users so they can "kick the tires" before deciding.

Personally speaking, the level of investment that I have made (both in "time" as well as money) relative to the my overall portfolio are definitely within the comfort level of risk/reward that allows me to sleep peacefully at night.

Aye, I think I'll go this way.

History will establish that this has been a brilliant publicity stunt from what I consider to be a towering genius of a man.  ;)

Some ppl just never stop complaining and being negative. Its in their nature, give em 1000 dollar and they still complain. Dont expect this to stop, no matter what you do or provide. Just follow youre own path.

For all who still doubt there is a working beta:

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1339-ob1-whats-in-and-whats-not-saturday-1st-feb-2014/

and

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437805.0

No need to invest, just try it on your own on feb., 1st and get your opinion about it. If anyone still thinks, its a scam, well you dont have to go for it then. In any case, this proves leo/coassackman, however he is calling himself now, wrong in one of his accusations. Have fun with the beta!

Hansen

What is the current status of eMunie?  I've lost track.

The Open Beta is released, but is being updated from time to time. The IPO didnt start yet (probably around next week). For details go to the forum.emunie.com site or visit the facebook page to see general updates on emunie at fb.com/emuniecurrency

and some people your use comment as a cookie cutter formulaic response to any criticism of anything
.. a shallow tired old excuse to cover up and try and justify bad behavior.

wanna hear some more classic canned retorts ?

how about free market blah blah blah ? you like that one ? i got more, i hear them all day and all night everyday lol
ooover and oooooooover like a broken record