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This Alt Sub Forum has out lived its usefulness and needs to go.

Just look at the seriously unappreciative threads trashing Theymos and BCT for banning "Give Away" threads.

Hint:They want Alt coin people to go elsewhere!

It's time for Theymos to give them the nudge out the door by shutting down this section.


~BCX~

No-one needs your opinion. STFU.

Im sure someone else will be happy to pick up the advertising income from the high volume of traffic the alt section drives through your forums

What precisely are you saying - no alt-coins at all should exist?

This Alt Sub Forum has out lived its usefulness and needs to go.

Just look at the seriously unappreciative threads trashing Theymos and BCT for banning "Give Away" threads.

Hint:They want Alt coin people to go elsewhere!

It's time for Theymos to give them the nudge out the door by shutting down this section.
~BCX~

Just to be clear.

I am not saying there should be no alts.

I am saying Alts need their own forum, off this site.

Close the Alt sub form and force the change.


~BCX~

Just to be clear.

I am not saying there should be no alts.

I am saying Alts need their own forum, off this site.

Close the Alt sub form and force the change.


~BCX~

Just to be "clear", no (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/no).  I don't care if you've been around since 2011 or 2014.  If you honestly think your "seniority" means anything, you are naive and dillusional.  

You even use your hash to destroy the work of other people.  You should be removed from these forums, not alts.

I do, and i like his opinion.

Even though I am a strong Alt supporter, I have to agree with the OP.  And have said this for a while now.  BCT is and always was about Bitcoins, not altcoins.  And usually the environment here is usually negative in regards to Alt coins.  

The mods don't really care about Altcoins, and don't want/need this much traffic.  It's only creating work for them, and taking up their bandwidth/server space.  There are perfect Altcoin forums already in place like https://cryptocointalk.com/ which already has a section open for every single Alt coin out there, and they gladly accept people making Altcoin Giveaway threads.  

No I don't have anything to do with the site myself, but I think we as a whole should start moving over there, even though this one is more popular.

I dont get it... You and OP dont need this section, but you are posting here? Why do you even click this part of the forum when you dont need it?

Why don't you limit posts in Altcoin section to > Sr. Members ?

Yeah, this thread's going to be popular.

Fine. Shut down the altsection. It would just move to a new forum, and Bitcointalk would lose thousands of members and potential ad revenue

I dont get it... You and OP dont need this section, but you are posting here? Why do you even click this part of the forum when you dont need it?

That would be quite extreme. Especially given that the majority of "new" devs wouldn't even be able to post about their own coins.

The majority of new coins are scams anyways.
Something has to be done, I used to post and read a lot in the alt section but now it's not worth anyone's time, there is too much garbage. Too many bots and new users are in there trying to scam..Even though I have more value in alts than in bitcoin, I'd gladly support forcing the change.

Or you can be more sincere and say that you just  are afraid that some Alt may dethrone BTC....  ::)

I believe that this is the most visited forum on this site. Killing the alt sections can likely kill this website.

Lol, which alt might that be?

Exactly who cares about BTC anymore...

Bitcoins have become too expensive. Most people aren't into cryptocurrencies because they think it's the future. They're into them because they think they'll make money. The BTC boat has sailed- there is still room for growth, in fact quite a bit- but most people are looking into altcoins to make the money they could have made as early adopters of Bitcoins.

Google and my signature could give you many answers!
I don't want and don't need to spam!  ::)

Bitcoins have become too expensive. Most people aren't into cryptocurrencies because they think it's the future. They're into them because they think they'll make money. The BTC boat has sailed- there is still room for growth, in fact quite a bit- but most people are looking into altcoins to make the money they could have made as early adopters of Bitcoins.

One thing I noticed recently, is the mass-spam of a coin here at the forums,
and amazingly, people seem to be supporting it and buying it.
Defied my logic and reasoning, and many other peoples too I think
it seems to be a corporate internet company with perhaps at least 100 staff that released that coin.
I cannot imagine how else it might have done what it has done otherwise.
I imagine a telemarketing office with over 100 dialers, except these people
are all on computers, and then there are programmers who pre-program everything
for the 'telemarketers', and they just sit there and the screen changes and up pops
some topic that they have to post in, within a certain amount of time,
and then they click the post button, but the program at this 'call centre' delay the output,
and randomize the timing of the postings, so that the posts come out randomly and throughout the day and
night, and these telemarketers do that for 8 hour shifts posting whatever pops onto their screen,
as the programmers have set up for them. I know, I used to work at a telemarketing office that was kind
of like that.
I think this internet company also has graphics people who work fulltime on pics for the coin,
and programmers and cleaning staff etc....

And they can just pump out the spam, 24/7 like that, and its all in a days work.
There isn't any way that other coins without the 100 person telemarketing office might ever compete with that kind of marketing. And the level of preparation and timing, indicates an organized company doing it.
Not only that, but I see they use subtlety and guile pretending to be something other than a coin, almost
like chinese people who pretend they don't know how to speak english when you tell them they owe you more money for the coffee they just bought off of you.

Anyways, I think that it may be upsetting some people that this coin, also has been trading millions of dollars in coins every day, and has a marketing campaign perhaps larger than bitcoin. In addition, I am thinking they have the techies working for them, to create every possible type of tech site that they want, in order to continue to mass spam.

you know the coin I am talking about. notice i didn't mention the name.

I think the original poster is actually most upset with that one coin. just ask him if I am telling the truth.

Now wtf ? Are you going to allow this to continue or what?

Its not fair to punish all the altcoins because of the mass spamming of only one coin.
Therefore, do something about that one offending coin, and leave the rest be.

I don't know everything  :)

This is exactly what is wrong with people who mine and deal with these crapcoins. Cryptocurrencies are meant to be a revolutionary idea as a currency, not a get rich quick scheme.  How are Bitcoins too expensive? You can but $10 worth of Bitcoin if you want. You don't need a whole one. Do you really need millions of worthless shitcoins? And how is it too late to get into Bitcoins? If Bitcoin becomes even semi-mainstream those who buy Bitcoins today will probably become pretty well off.

This is exactly what is wrong with people who mine and deal with these crapcoins. Cryptocurrencies are meant to be a revolutionary idea as a currency, not a get rich quick scheme.  How are Bitcoins too expensive? You can but $10 worth of Bitcoin if you want. You don't need a whole one. Do you really need millions of worthless shitcoins? And how is it too late to get into Bitcoins? If Bitcoin becomes even semi-mainstream those who buy Bitcoins today will probably become pretty well off.

Or you can be more sincere and say that you just  are afraid that some Alt may dethrone BTC....  ::)

No-one needs your opinion. STFU.

indeed

that is why i am holding on to all of my "Sexcoins"

they will obv be the currency of the future

I really like the altcoin subforum.  Having this subform with experienced bitcoin users means at least someone is around to call bullshit on totally bogus alts.  I think there is a lot to be said for having a good crypto community.

I hope Theymos does not destroy the altcoin forum, but his forum, his rules.

BCX is kind of an ass, but he may be right. Bitcointalk doesn't want us here, why do we want to stay so badly?

Instead of nuking the alt coin forums why not make it a pay area..

New coins and products have to  pay 0.05 - 0.5 bitcoin to use the area and if they do not moderate their own sub forums they are out and lose their investment of 0.05 / 0.5 bitcoin...

Win win situation and users win

It's time for Theymos to kill the bitcoin sections and focus on the real money earner, the alt forums.

Good news, I hear this is being considered.

Hang in there guys and you might not have to put up with Bitcointalk's bullshit rules much longer!


~BCX~

One thing I noticed recently, is the mass-spam of a coin here at the forums,
and amazingly, people seem to be supporting it and buying it.
Defied my logic and reasoning, and many other peoples too I think
it seems to be a corporate internet company with perhaps at least 100 staff that released that coin.
I cannot imagine how else it might have done what it has done otherwise.
I imagine a telemarketing office with over 100 dialers, except these people
are all on computers, and then there are programmers who pre-program everything
for the 'telemarketers', and they just sit there and the screen changes and up pops
some topic that they have to post in, within a certain amount of time,
and then they click the post button, but the program at this 'call centre' delay the output,
and randomize the timing of the postings, so that the posts come out randomly and throughout the day and
night, and these telemarketers do that for 8 hour shifts posting whatever pops onto their screen,
as the programmers have set up for them. I know, I used to work at a telemarketing office that was kind
of like that.
I think this internet company also has graphics people who work fulltime on pics for the coin,
and programmers and cleaning staff etc....

And they can just pump out the spam, 24/7 like that, and its all in a days work.
There isn't any way that other coins without the 100 person telemarketing office might ever compete with that kind of marketing. And the level of preparation and timing, indicates an organized company doing it.
Not only that, but I see they use subtlety and guile pretending to be something other than a coin, almost
like chinese people who pretend they don't know how to speak english when you tell them they owe you more money for the coffee they just bought off of you.

Anyways, I think that it may be upsetting some people that this coin, also has been trading millions of dollars in coins every day, and has a marketing campaign perhaps larger than bitcoin. In addition, I am thinking they have the techies working for them, to create every possible type of tech site that they want, in order to continue to mass spam.

you know the coin I am talking about. notice i didn't mention the name.

I think the original poster is actually most upset with that one coin. just ask him if I am telling the truth.

Now wtf ? Are you going to allow this to continue or what?

Its not fair to punish all the altcoins because of the mass spamming of only one coin.
Therefore, do something about that one offending coin, and leave the rest be.

I don't know everything  :)

Altcoins are getting out of control.

Seriously. Fucking coins everywhere. EVERYWHERE!

Rather than deal with all the bullshit and spam this forum brings to this site, he needs to kill it.

You guys just don't seem to get it.

The Bitcoin guys here, The Donator Members and the people that run this place WANT Alt Coins to form their own board.

There is zero, actually less than zero desire for this to be a source of info for alt coins.

Contrary to popular belief, this sub-forum adds no value,

The traffic is garbage and to makes things even worse, look at the huge unappreciative response concerning the "Give Away" ban.

Put this place out of its misery.


~BCX~

Rather than deal with all the bullshit and spam this forum brings to this site, he needs to kill it.

You guys just don't seem to get it.

The Bitcoin guys here, The Donator Members and the people that run this place WANT Alt Coins to form their own board.

There is zero, actually less than zero desire for this to be a source of info for alt coins.

Contrary to popular belief, this sub-forum adds no value,

The traffic is garbage and to makes things even worse, look at the huge unappreciative response concerning the "Give Away" ban.

Put this place out of its misery.


~BCX~

I will put this thread here for those who are interested.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437647.0

We need to set a standard for creating coins.
At the very least you need to be on the forums for a year,before you can announce a new coin.

The creator of 84 coin had his account registered in January 07, 2014, 07:48:43 AM.

I would also like this website to require at least a single innovative feature,before you can announce it as well.

I'm sick of these clones of clones.

There are some innovative coins such as Prime coin,but almost every other coin is a get rich scheme that's killing everyone, including the good alt coins.

This Alt Sub Forum has out lived its usefulness and needs to go.

Just look at the seriously unappreciative threads trashing Theymos and BCT for banning "Give Away" threads.

Hint:They want Alt coin people to go elsewhere!

It's time for Theymos to give them the nudge out the door by shutting down this section.


~BCX~

Rather than deal with all the bullshit and spam this forum brings to this site, he needs to kill it.

You guys just don't seem to get it.

The Bitcoin guys here, The Donator Members and the people that run this place WANT Alt Coins to form their own board.

There is zero, actually less than zero desire for this to be a source of info for alt coins.

Contrary to popular belief, this sub-forum adds no value,

The traffic is garbage and to makes things even worse, look at the huge unappreciative response concerning the "Give Away" ban.

Put this place out of its misery.


~BCX~

Maybe if the forums were upgraded so we could all vote on a threads quality, then all the scamcoin clones offering nothing new would get down voted and so this would behave as a filter through all the crap.

What so a select few can get to decide? If that was the case the only fucken coins that would be here right now would be doge and maybe conye or a few others.

I like this coin it is fun

Why not asked a fee, for example 1btc  for every alt coin released that could be used to pay the server space being wasted and to pay the mods moderating the section.

You do relaize that big part of BTC buying is from people that want to invest in altcoins rigt?

This Alt Sub Forum has out lived its usefulness and needs to go.

Just look at the seriously unappreciative threads trashing Theymos and BCT for banning "Give Away" threads.

Hint:They want Alt coin people to go elsewhere!

It's time for Theymos to give them the nudge out the door by shutting down this section.


~BCX~

It's absolutely what I want to say, the OP is a senior with a childish mind  :D

No-one needs your opinion. STFU.

Does the Alternate cryptocurrencies section of the forum add more signal or more noise?

I would promote it if it adds more signal, I would remove it if it adds more noise.

Well, something needs to be done for sure.

Not only the alcoin section but other thing as well. If I would come here as a totally new user that had no Idea about Bitcoin.

The first thing I would see are endless coins trying to convince me to invest in them. As soon as I enter a Thread, I see countless People advertising in bright red colours some gambling sites, dodgy investments or again useless coins in their sig.

This whole place looks like a site for HYIPs and not for a developing currency that wants to be taken seriously.

If I had no Idea about Bitcoin and the first thing I would find where this forum, I would very quickly come to the conclusion that Bitcoin is some kind of ponzi sheme and would immediately leave and never come back.

Perhaps if the Altcoin section was divided into a few sections with subsections for bigger coins restriced to posts about those coins

"Established Altcoins" - LTC, PPC, XPM, FTC, NMC etc
"Up and Coming" - DOGE, STR, TIPS, QRK, WDC
"New Coins - anything most likely a scam or newely released.

Do not pay attention to the exact above list, I just picked a few established coins, and a few with higher trade volumes on exchanges.  My biggest hatred of the Altcoin section is how 9 of every 10 threads are filled with crap, and they amount of alts created is crazy!  Its more work in moderation, and perhaps out of the scope of the mods here... but just my thoughts if they wanted to do something.

The Announcments, Market Place, and mining sub-sections were a good start. 

Do not pay attention to the exact above list, I just picked a few established coins, and a few with higher trade volumes on exchanges.

The day when a bunch of fucking crybabies whine about what can and can't be posted in their internet forums is the day you have to start really wondering what you're doing with your life. Entitlement and delusions of granduer.....hoooooooooo!!!!!!!

The day when a bunch of fucking crybabies whine about what can and can't be posted in their internet forums is the day you have to start really wondering what you're doing with your life. Entitlement and delusions of granduer.....hoooooooooo!!!!!!!

Why not just impose a series of stricter rules?
How about letting it be ONLY announcements and discussions - no giveaways or trading until the coin has gained lots of popularity.
People could perhaps add important features, and make an excellent alt-coin, suppressing these ideas wouldn't make sense.
Rules could be:
• Coin must have an innovative feature, something that makes it stand out amongst other coins
• Coin must be reviewed by a mod before the thread is seen (it's pending until reviewed)
• Coin must not be a complete copy of another - no clones

Adding these rules could effectively get rid of the spam, and make a clean section with innovative coins rather than get rich schemes.

Where exactly is he "whining"?  I take his opinion just as valid as anyone else's whether or not I agree with it.

Altcoins on this forum need to be fully allowed or fully banned anything in-between would just cause far more problems than it solves  

Kinda how I feel. I think having a separate giveaway subforum would've been a simpler solution and then everybody would've been happy. People still post a lot of giveaways but link to their own crappy forum, so the threads are still there, they just don't get many posts.

Its not that hard for a coin to make its own forum ( I host forums for a bunch of coins )

It takes me 5 mins to make a forum and costs £25 a year for the domain and server costs if a coin doesn't have its own forum it is total junk

all that we need on bitcointalk is an announcement / information thread the rest can be on the coins own forum but the main issue is getting people to join the coins forum when everyone is already on bitcointalk

That's exactly the point I'm making. It's just his opinion. Someone blowing smoke because (it seems anyway) like someone pissed in the OPs wheaties, every day, for 20-30 consecutive years. If the admins think the section should go, they'll say something. In the meantime, making threads about it, especially taking the time to go to said alt forums despite the fact you explicitly state you do not like it, is not only ironic but laughable. Because owning bitcoin and alt coins and talking about them is a pissing contest. Right? ::)

Don't get me wrong, I am so glad the give aways were banned. And I am getting tired of people generating stupid coins with no value, intrinsic or monetary. But there's better ways to fix those problems rather than be a Nazi about it.

I want to be able to ignore the alt coin forum.

I don't care if the alt coin forum is there or not. People can scam each other as much as they want. What I do care about is the value this forum represents to me. I use it to get informed. Or if I feel confused about a specific topic, I can get input from other members. Or of course, contribute with my opinion.
Now, that value is clearly being eroded. I want to be able to ignore the alt coin forum.

Worry not about scamers, click the "show unread posts since last visit", the amount of stupid people pouring in bitcointalk and the eagerness most of them have to be scammed is of biblical dimension. It is so extreme that it passed beyond being entertaining.

You are. Go to Profile and click "Ignore Board Preferences". Mark all Boards you don't want to see. I did this a long time ago, it's as if the altcoin board wouldn't exist.

But still it let's this forum look really spammy and scammy for visitors. (And People like you who don't know this)

Between shady hardware companies, fly by night bitcoin services, and the alt forum this site looks like a scammer haven to the general public.

Well, something needs to be done for sure.

Not only the alcoin section but other thing as well. If I would come here as a totally new user that had no Idea about Bitcoin.

The first thing I would see are endless coins trying to convince me to invest in them. As soon as I enter a Thread, I see countless People advertising in bright red colours some gambling sites, dodgy investments or again useless coins in their sig.

This whole place looks like a site for HYIPs and not for a developing currency that wants to be taken seriously.

If I had no Idea about Bitcoin and the first thing I would find where this forum, I would very quickly come to the conclusion that Bitcoin is some kind of ponzi sheme and would immediately leave and never come back.

You are. Go to Profile and click "Ignore Board Preferences". Mark all Boards you don't want to see. I did this a long time ago, it's as if the altcoin board wouldn't exist.

But still it let's this forum look really spammy and scammy for visitors. (And People like you who don't know this)

Between shady hardware companies, fly by night bitcoin services, and the alt forum this site looks like a scammer haven to the general public.

Let me mod this section. I sort every thread and assure all rules are followed.

Theymos: I do it for free, don't need to pay me like the other mods.

Trust me, if you think you want the job. You don't. I still enjoy it, but it was a whole lot more fun when you could get to know the different coin communities individually. Now there aren't really communities, there is a developer or dev team, people that are looking for profit switching opportunities, one or two die hard users for whatever reason, and two or three users that constantly trash talk other coins and recommend their coin. The amounts scale as the userbase gets larger, but it always seems to be in the same ratios.

I have observed very very few people that are qualified for the job, but I do have a small list should Theymos ever ask for my recommendations. :)

Its time for this thread to be closed cos it does not make sense.

26 out of the first 40 "Recent Updated Topics" right now are about alt-coins.

I 'm not saying that the alt coin section should be killed but it's definetaly getting harder and harder to read something about bitcoin in this forum.

26 out of the first 40 "Recent Updated Topics" right now are about alt-coins.

I 'm not saying that the alt coin section should be killed but it's definetaly getting harder and harder to read something about bitcoin in this forum.

You can ignore the board in your preferences.

or we could remove it an elimate the scammers easy buck...

I doubt that will eliminate scammers. There's always gonna be scammers as long as there's greedy gullible people.

You can ignore the board in your preferences.

As i said i don't want for the alt section to be killed altogether. I 'm looking mostly for measures like the giveaway ban, to shift the main focus of this forum back to bitcoin.

But then again you are a prime dice signature spammer so you don't really care about what i said. You just want to make yet another useless post.

As i said i don't want for the alt section to be killed altogether. I 'm looking mostly for measures like the giveaway ban, to shift the main focus of this forum back to bitcoin.

But then again you are a prime dice signature spammer so you don't really care about what i said. You just want to make yet another useless post.

I don't see how what I said constitutes as spam, you're just being petty. I also don't understand how the alt coin section makes it harder for you to read about Bitcoin.

The altcoin section has served its purpose my friend. its no longer about about innovation, instead it just serves as a place for scammers to present their business models to unsuspecting crypto noobies, leaving them holding the bag on yet another clonecoin. this point is irrefutable.

Alt coin section of this forum can not be removed. EVER. So you can close this thread.

mv altcoin/* /dev/null

Sure it can


Whether it should is another question.

In my eyes this clash of bitcoin elitists and ignorant altcoin supporters is really counter productive.

A couple of non drastical solutions:

* remove altcoin related forums from "Recent posts" section (I really can't understand why would anyone use it in a huge forum like this)
* disable color/text size BBCode in the signatures (that would be a huge relief for all the eyes reading these forums)
* add a couple of new subsections in altcoin section
* add a couple mods dedicated to altcoin section
* coin review before allowing an ANN thread (complicated, too many variables, no one will want to do that)
* developer has to send an altcoin application-description with strict requirements before creating an ANN thread (less complicated, but with current attitude no one will want to review those too)
* strict requirements for an ANN thread
* instead of removing alts (if it will ever come to this), just move alts to the different forum (http://alts.bitcointalk.org), could be quite a bit of work, but I think satisfy both sides.

Still, scammers gonna scam and noobies gonna noob. Is there a tutorial on what to look out for in a new cryto currency? There should be one. And sticky.

No-one needs your opinion. STFU.

It pretty funny that the heavy traffic is stuffed into one subforum and the management refuses to create sub forums or a system of organizing the information. Bitcointalk.org OWES the community to ban altcoin discussion here and let someone else take over and do it right. As it was stated before in this thread, the resources and interest are not here to support altcoins the way they need to be supported.

I'm sure the alt-coin community will re-organise itself somewhere else eventually, but I agree it probably would be better being all or nothing. If we can have subforums for mining and a marketplace then I don't see the harm in having a giveaway section too, but doesn’t look like the powers that be will change their mind on this regardless.

you have 84 activity and almost 5000 posts. thats fucking ridiculous.

Nearly all of them Pointless.

That's another reason why something needs to be done about those paid sigs, especially if they pay per postcount. It encourages senseless spamming and reduces the quality of this forum.

[66] ★★★█ ATTENTION!!!█★★★ 66 Coin!NO MORE GIVEAWAY!█SAFE THE MINERS!█  New

For all his faults, Theymos has won my respect for not being inclined toward censorship and the same can be said for most of the mods he employs.

Censors come across as small minded and insecure people because that is usually exactly what they are.

As for alts, people who feel threatened by alts, and more generally about competition, are pathetic.  Among they ways alts support Bitcoin, they provide a credible threat that the whole problem of distributed crypto-currencies would be made worse rather than better by a crackdown on Bitcoin.  Were their no alts, I find it very plausible that the regulatory environment would be significantly different than what we see today.

BTW, I hold exactly zero alt coins at this time and never have.  I expect that I will in the future however.

Although 99.9% of alt coins are stupid or outright scams, I think they should have a place. Alt coins can be a hedge against any entity that thinks it could crush bitcoin. Any serious attempt to do so would just result in the ascendancy of another coin.
My problem is that it has become almost impossible to sort through the dozens of script-kitty announcements that junk up the forums. There has to be a way to do both.

Could we:

• Allow blocking of some areas? kinda  like an ignore list for forum sections.
• Keep posts in the alt section from showing in the recent posts list?
• Set up another related/linked domain for alts? altcointalk.org is available.
• Other?

Although 99.9% of alt coins are stupid or outright scams, I think they should have a place. Alt coins can be a hedge against any entity that thinks it could crush bitcoin. Any serious attempt to do so would just result in the ascendancy of another coin.
My problem is that it has become almost impossible to sort through the dozens of script-kitty announcements that junk up the forums. There has to be a way to do both.

Could we:

• Allow blocking of some areas? kinda  like an ignore list for forum sections.
• Keep posts in the alt section from showing in the recent posts list?
• Set up another related/linked domain for alts? altcointalk.org is available.
• Other?

1 and 2 are already possible in your profile settings. There is a Ignore Board Option.

How can you not know this?

Really? I did not know this.  :-[

Also, @surfer43. 99.9% IS way to high. I don't know what percent of alts are serious attempts to create a viable coin. I shouldn't have used numbers. 

Way too high. Even dogecoin isn't a scam coin, and only 'stupid' insofar as it probably won't be alive in a year or two from now. But that's the beauty of our little experiment we have going here: the market will decide that, not forum censorship (except for the most vile cases of scams, of course, which should be removed)

And thats begs the age old question, for what do you consider a coin being a scam? must it be blatantly premined, or would you consider mass marketing and exchange spamming of add requests as scandalous and meeting the criteria for a scam? to me it seems like dogecoin and many other coins that use marketing or other meaningless forms of hype and manipulation to determine their coins value, making it inherently a scam. Its an issue of perspective largely, so some might disagree but if you are using the oxford dictionary to describe a coin such as doge or quarkcoin, or even megacoin for all its advancement against 51% attacks, they are all fundamentally overhyped flashmine/premine fests and therefor must be considered scams. there can be picking and choosing what constitutes a scam when you are assigning labels, regardless of the popularity of said coins, and this alone provides solid support for the premise that the Alt section should be removed or the rules for posting greatly altered. I am personally of the opinion a clean break needs to be made to give alternate currencies a new home, just to increase the quality and prominence of bitcoin related posts and discussions.

I don't think it needs to be all black and white. shades of grey, baby.

So, first, to qualify as a *scam* coin would require extraordinary proof, but if it is determined to be a scam (as in: hard evidence the creators plan to scam investors, like, say, launch an IPO, then run with the money), the scam should be labeled and removed, as if it were any other product.

Now, what is probably a more appropriate label for something like doge is *spam* coin. And there we will need, IMO, slightly more flexible criteria. Here's a rhetorical question: what is the 'hard', objective difference between a spam coin and a successful crypto?

Answer: there is no objective *inherent* difference. It's a matter of what the market determines through trading it.

So why not take that into account?  New coin creators can advertise their coin *once*, in one thread. Then watch and see. If the price and trade volume of the coin picks up speed, the heavy restrictions on posting about and promoting it will be lifted, gradually. If not, it stays contained to that one thread. And endless bumping of threads and an abundance of 'promotion' thread will never be okay, no matter how much your project is picking up speed. It's kind of common sense, isn't it?

So, first, to qualify as a *scam* coin would require extraordinary proof, but if it is determined to be a scam

Nope, altcoins should not get the benefit of doubt. This is not a legal system, this is a privately owned internet forum.

I agree that the alt-section is meaningless and it's full of crap-coins. but still this forum is more about freedom generally like BTC and that we shouldn't tell people (don't do that or that or that). There aren't doing anything bad so let them play  :P

It is sucking up a lot of moderation resources, which along with the newbie restrictions geing removed, is probably affecting the forum negatively as there is only so much to go around.

This is crazy
http://mapofcoins.com/

What percentage are scamcoins? Time will tell.

This is becoming insane. We need to move them away from this forum.

You and I look at the same map, and see absolutely different things. You see a web of scam coins (it seems), I see a beautiful cryptocoin network. (Disclosure: so far I own no other cryptos but BTC, but am not against buying alts in principle)

Then you need to land on Earth again. A realistic, objective view is needed.
Even though I have some of these scam coins, I hate them.

And you tell *me* to "land on earth again", huh?

 ::)

A beautiful network would consist out of innovative coins, where going through them would be an enjoyable journey. The altcoin section here is equal to crypto hell.
I Have those coins because I'm a miner, that's it.

You are suffering from stress, this is a dynamic situation it is the new normal you need look no further than a passionate development team.

I've been watching this http://coinmarketcap.com/ for movement and researching the movers (the big ups and downs)

All over the forum there are people replying with "that is why we need altcoins" or, "mypatheticshitcoin could solve that" problem.

The official website of most coins is a topic on this forum trashed with formated text 1996 style. Heck, I see things like:
"uselessfesescoin solves that problem they have been hacked, but they are relaunching the coin and this time is going to be awesome" leaking outside the altcoin forum.

 

The best part is when you question what makes their coin so great or unique, and 9/10 the best they can only come up with is it has a great community and devs behind it. That's it.

These are very solid reasons and correct answers to the question.

A bit of feedback after i disabled ignored the altcoin forum.

Pathetic wannabes spread their electronic sewage all over this forum. It is leaking to all the forum. In the speculation sections there is topics like:

Will 1.000.000.000.000  myshitcointhatonlymeandmymomknowabout hit one dollar on day?

All over the forum there are people replying with "that is why we need altcoins" or, "mypatheticshitcoin could solve that" problem.

The official website of most coins is a topic on this forum trashed with formated text 1996 style. Heck, I see things like:
"uselessfesescoin solves that problem they have been hacked, but they are relaunching the coin and this time is going to be awesome" leaking outside the altcoin forum.

Kill with fire I say. Let us talk bitcoin, we have no use for refined stupidity that originates on young teens sitting on their moms basement.
 

A bit of feedback after i disabled ignored the altcoin forum.

Pathetic wannabes spread their electronic sewage all over this forum. It is leaking to all the forum. In the speculation sections there is topics like:

Will 1.000.000.000.000  myshitcointhatonlymeandmymomknowabout hit one dollar on day?

All over the forum there are people replying with "that is why we need altcoins" or, "mypatheticshitcoin could solve that" problem.

The official website of most coins is a topic on this forum trashed with formated text 1996 style. Heck, I see things like:
"uselessfesescoin solves that problem they have been hacked, but they are relaunching the coin and this time is going to be awesome" leaking outside the altcoin forum.

Kill with fire I say. Let us talk bitcoin, we have no use for refined stupidity that originates on young teens sitting on their moms basement.
 

Yeah it's gotten a lot worse, alt currencies leaked from time to time before but now it's everywhere. The report system is also getting flooded with reports from there as well, which is making it harder to deal with issues on the rest of the forum. But hey, alt currencies has a marketplace now so yay ::).

A bit of feedback after i disabled ignored the altcoin forum.

Pathetic wannabes spread their electronic sewage all over this forum. It is leaking to all the forum. In the speculation sections there is topics like:

Will 1.000.000.000.000  myshitcointhatonlymeandmymomknowabout hit one dollar on day?

All over the forum there are people replying with "that is why we need altcoins" or, "mypatheticshitcoin could solve that" problem.

The official website of most coins is a topic on this forum trashed with formated text 1996 style. Heck, I see things like:
"uselessfesescoin solves that problem they have been hacked, but they are relaunching the coin and this time is going to be awesome" leaking outside the altcoin forum.

Kill with fire I say. Let us talk bitcoin, we have no use for refined stupidity that originates on young teens sitting on their moms basement.
 

A bit of feedback after i disabled ignored the altcoin forum.

Pathetic wannabes spread their electronic sewage all over this forum. It is leaking to all the forum. In the speculation sections there is topics like:

Will 1.000.000.000.000  myshitcointhatonlymeandmymomknowabout hit one dollar on day?

All over the forum there are people replying with "that is why we need altcoins" or, "mypatheticshitcoin could solve that" problem.

The official website of most coins is a topic on this forum trashed with formated text 1996 style. Heck, I see things like:
"uselessfesescoin solves that problem they have been hacked, but they are relaunching the coin and this time is going to be awesome" leaking outside the altcoin forum.

Kill with fire I say. Let us talk bitcoin, we have no use for refined stupidity that originates on young teens sitting on their moms basement.
 

nah he aint gonna do jack shit.

nah he aint gonna do jack shit.

I'd bet on this one.

People seem not to comprehend that the Alt Coin section isn't here to benefit the alt coin communities, its to keep their conversations out of the rest of the boards. If the Alt Currency section is removed, then the spam then floods the rest of the boards (more than it is now)

Keeping it is no solution either. The forum is just becoming a mess.

Keeping it is no solution either. The forum is just becoming a mess.

Bitcointalk either needs to purge the Altcoins, or embrace it and move into being a general cryptocurrency board. I have found it odd that the Alt sections are kept though seemingly despised by many, including the mods and admins.

It's simply time to make a choice as to what this forum wants to be: Bitcoin itself only, or all inclusive.

It'd be worse without it. People would just clog up the other forums with their altcoin talk. It's best to keep it all out of the way there.

I'm pretty sure if we ran a poll among the seniors that this would get passed instantly.

Yeah, there's a good chance it might, but seniors aren't the only people who use this forum. Seniors also have the option like anyone else to either block the subforum from view or just not go in there.

If you value a senior such as 'DeathAndTaxes' the same as the average newbie/Joe here, there is something very wrong.

That's quite an elitist thing to say. Does DeathAndTaxes hold an authoritative opinion here on something? I measure weight by merit, but that doesn't mean I discredit the opinion or views of the 'average joe' here. After all, this isn't a forum just for senior members, is it?

Banning the alt coin section is like somebody trying to get something banned that doesn't or shouldn't effect them. Why would the alt coin section effect or annoy you? Just either ignore it or don't go there then that's those people sorted.

I took him as an example as his posts tend to be constructive and they stand out.
From what I've seen the newbies post, 99% was utter nonsense and FUD.

So you just want shut down the most successful subforum?

 1202227 Posts

 ::)

Successful or utter garbage?

Successful or utter garbage?

If you value a senior such as 'DeathAndTaxes' the same as the average newbie/Joe here, there is something very wrong.

I'm pretty sure if we ran a poll among the seniors that this would get passed instantly.

I'm surprised you didn't notice that a bot copied your post haha:

Whilst we are limiting people places to find information on a whole sub section of the next generation currencies, could we also start campaigns (1) to limit free speech (2) to start hunting whales again!  (3) to Stop being dicks (4) raise funds for me, to help with my sarcasism


If you dont like reading something, then dont type in the address, click on the link, and read it, just stay in the bitcoin section. its fairly simple really.


Just for referrence

Statistics for Altcoin section
921397 Posts
25870 Topics


Statistics for Bitcoin Section
355901 Posts
24614 Topics


Fairly clear winner if you ask me for shear usage, it doesn't make sense to remove the most active section.

my 2 cents ;-)

Just for referrence

Statistics for Altcoin section
921397 Posts
25870 Topics


Statistics for Bitcoin Section
355901 Posts
24614 Topics


Fairly clear winner if you ask me for shear usage, it doesn't make sense to remove the most active section.

my 2 cents ;-)

Statistics for Altcoin section
Percentage of useful posts: 0.01%

Statistics for Bitcoin section
Percentage of useful posts: 69%

Just my 2 million.

Whilst we are limiting people places to find information on a whole sub section of the next generation currencies, could we also start campaigns (1) to limit free speech (2) to start hunting whales again!  (3) to Stop being dicks (4) raise funds for me, to help with my sarcasism


If you dont like reading something, then dont type in the address, click on the link, and read it, just stay in the bitcoin section. its fairly simple really.


Just for referrence

Statistics for Altcoin section
921397 Posts
25870 Topics


Statistics for Bitcoin Section
355901 Posts
24614 Topics


Fairly clear winner if you ask me for shear usage, it doesn't make sense to remove the most active section.

my 2 cents ;-)

Also that the altcoin section contains like 700+ coins, versus the one bitcoin. Not so impressive when you look at it like that.

Also that a lot of the posts are just spam. Wonder by how much it would drop if all the giveaway threads were deleted.

At the very least, give the well established coins, their own sub-section... Litecoin and Namecoin...

The rest? "Well established" should be a very high bar to reach, and IMHO, none of the others have reached it.

=squeak=

Then dogecoin will claim they're established and want their own sections.

Then dogecoin will claim they're established and want their own sections.

The majority of Alts have sprung from the Bitcoin protocol and each coin should include a sub-section, if possible.

Just my opinion, I think Alt-coins are a part of Bitcoin and should be included in the forum. The majority of Alts have sprung from the Bitcoin protocol and each coin should include a sub-section, if possible.

Successful or utter garbage?

I love the alt section, it's really messy, and raw

The absolute majority of the many Global Mods, Mods, Staff and Users that wanted the Altcoin Section gone.

With the impending launch of the new forum maybe this is a subject that needs to be re-visited.

It's time for the Altcoins to be kicked to the curb and establish their own community.


~BCX~

Lol. Necro from Beyond Uranus.

2 years+ & counting and OP was *still* sore & raw from having cluelessly lost money on an altcoin pump in 2013 ;]]

Seriously, I think BCX was doing some sort of necro-bump experiment today, I saw some other year old dead threads just resurrected by him.  I dunno why tho.

Seriously, I think BCX was doing some sort of necro-bump experiment today, I saw some other year old dead threads just resurrected by him.  I dunno why tho.

Seriously, I think BCX was doing some sort of necro-bump experiment today, I saw some other year old dead threads just resurrected by him.  I dunno why tho.

Why create a new thread for the same topic?

If I did Lauda would have to retreat to his safe space to deal the anxiety of a duplicate thread.


Yes it is time to push the Alts to their own forum.

There's no upside to Bitcoin to host them here.


~BCX~

Just to be clear.

I am not saying there should be no alts.

I am saying Alts need their own forum, off this site.

Close the Alt sub form and force the change.


~BCX~

There shouldn't be anycoins after litecoin.

Do you believe that a worldwide currency can succeed when everyone can look into everyone else's account and transactions at any time?  Obviously not - more advanced and robust blockchains are necessary.
 
0, 1, or infinity.  You don't get to draw the line at 'two'.

Hmm. I never thought that before. Just now realized you have a point. Yeah, One cannot simply become completely anonymous while using bitcoin i guess. While it is not completely possible to know who owns which accounts, you can track every accounts balance and movements. On the other hand, that can also be good for people. It makes it easier to track down hacked coins. Don't you agree?

If all citizens had to wear mandatory body cameras that were accessible by the police, that would make it easier to track down criminals.  It could be good for people.  Don't you agree?

If bitcoin were completely anonymous then  how you gonna track scammers?