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logansryche locked his thread, but I think that there's still more to be said.

Sorry for coming late to the party, but I had to go and delete some posts I made 12 years ago just in case members start digging into my past. The only thing I couldn't delete was an image of me dancing with a chicken in Pattaya. Full disclosure: The chicken was over 18 year olds--I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44283.msg529944#msg529944


You got to be kidding, Matthew! Nothing at all?

Source: http://voiceactingalliance.com/board/showthread.php?33743-Talespin


I don't expect everyone to agree or like what I'm doing, but you're going way overboard with "pointing out the facts." Quite frankly, it's pissing me off! (I think it reads better now.)

So, to be fair to Matthew, don't point out any facts.

OK, Go!

The earth is flat.  True story.

Lol, I'm not like that and I don't think there's anything more to discuss.
There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive as a bitcoin business and that's what brings me back into it.

fact is illusion of truth....

Want to see it thrive, or want to be customers? Cause one matters and one doesn't...

Were you a Yo-Yo in a past life? Are you in or out of Bitcoin? I have a lot of time invested in this thread, your thread, and you. And time is money.

And how is that? Seriously.. only person that's invested anything is me.
I invested the money to register the domain, to register with godaddy and to eventualy move it over to bitcoin web host. I invested in the money it took to buy product for the site.
So tell me.. where's your investment? And yes, you can have both. One can't live without the other. Cause and effect. You get alot of customers and your business thrives, yes?

I love it when people make overtly public parting shots, come running back a day later, and continue the same idiocy that caused everyone to laugh at them before.   It's like dramawhoring 101.

Don't ever leave logansryche.  You are propping up the Bitcoin comedy market through sheer force of will alone.

Maybe he's both. In. Out. In. Out.  Gotta keep a rhythm or you'll blow your load.

At least I'm making someone laugh. No, I'm here for good dispite my rants and rages.
It's a mood swing I go through alot. When I get depresed I delete everything(email,IM,sites,everything) and when I'm not so depressed I add it all back. It's a never-ending cycle that's been there since I was 12. Fun huh.

I'm still learning about business so it's nice to have someone with experience and certified educational accomplishments to discuss this stuff with.   You should just ignore the trolls and internet stalkers, feeding them only makes them think they are clever. I was wondering, since you got the gift cards wholesale why did you mark them up above face value?  I always assumed the companies that sold these cards were getting them for a lower cost than face because otherwise I'm not sure how they would profit from it.

*snort* for those who don't know, foxes in the furry fandom are stereotypically considered extreme sluts. I've been laughing my ass off through most of this.

Yessss.  Please.  The only thing that could make shit funnier is furry species-based elitism.

Not being elitist, and not claiming he's a slut, just think all the unintentional innuendos are hilarious, and wanted to share why.

I'll be honest, most of us aren't really interested in the details of your perverted lifestyle.  

Leviticus 18:23 ESV

And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.

Still had to make some sort of overhead on em. The cards don't actually cost me anything, however a $20 gift card will cost you $22 because I don't see $20 of it. It goes to the card. Yes I just admitted that I don't actually keep a stock of cards here. If I did they'd be all depreciated as most companies start charging a small fee for not using them once a month.

I'm glad you're having fun with all of this, and yes we are lol. We're known for many things, that being one of them.

Hatein' on the furs, are we? New low for human kind wouldn't you say?

I honestly can't believe how much positive criticism you received.

As for the community making you fail, what actually failed? From what I saw your website was nothing more than an untitled Zen Cart. You had nothing to begin with. Reminds me of this:
You're not out of a vehicle. You never had one to begin with.

Going to start this again? Seriously?
After saying you had an idea for me? Not nice.
Oh, and you never replied to my question.

Are you troll-king of bitcoin or just retarded?

Some people listen with their mouth instead of their ears.

I still don't get it.  In the other thread you said,


Are you saying that your wholesale prices for the cards are the same as the retail price?  (face?)

My local 7/11 has a wall of gift cards they sell at face value, are they taking a loss on that because they don't mark them up?  Is that like a loss leader or something to get people in to buy hot dogs or coffee?

For someone who is down and out, you have sure spent a lot of hours jacking yourself off in this thread and the other. Perhaps that time would be better applied by filling out job applications, or perhaps acquiring more certificates. Bitches love certificates.

I was wondering the same thing...

I have me a job if you haven't been paying attention. It's part time so the hours blow more then the current rate of bitcoins. Today I'm actually in a happy hyper mood, thanks for asking.

For the gift cards, yes. The games I have a bit of a leg to stand on and the trading cards came from my own personal collections so...

Your own collections that you bought at retail prices from a comic shop, or that you got at wholesale?

Yes, you are underemployed, hence, you should still be looking for a job. You sound like quite the lazy piece of shit. Are you morbidly obese, too?

The baseball collections came from collecting them since I was 12. The pokemon cards came from my mate and the yu-gi-oh cards came from my mate's brother. I tried to price them as accurate as I could with what little market info I had(thanks Ebay).

So your investment was fucking zero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goddamn, you are a douche.

You should call your next site BitcoinGarageSale.com.

Or you could just sell your old shit on Ebay like a normal person.

Well you have the pictures.. go judge for yourself.
I guess it all comes from not adjusting to a min wage part-time job when I'm use to a 80+ hour week $10.50/hr job.

Actually my investment was all those cards since there's at least 1200 of em. Yeah, add em all up at 99 cents a pack, then tack on what I dumped into the site. It's you that's the douche.

There are also people here who think that the FBI and/or Freemasons have been working in conjunction with an Internet comedy forum to discredit Bitcoin.

Aww... but that's no fun, that's what bitcard and bidding pond are for.
You really like to pick my life apart don'tcha. Keep pickin, I'm here all night.

I don't know what pictures you are talking about, but that's beside the point. I have been trolling up till now, but seriously...get your shit together. You can't blame the world for not pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Everyone has ups and downs. This is fucking America. Try, try again. You will not see me give a motivational speech often, but goddamn, fella. Get outta that funk.

So, your hobby didn't turn a profit and I am a douche because of it? Huh...

I'm just saying that when you're selling things, you want as many eyes on the merchandise as possible.  The larger the market, the more likely you'll be able to charge a decent price.  By creating a whole new site to sell random shit you have on hand, you're creating unnecessary overhead and severely reducing your client base at the same time, since building one sufficient enough takes time and, probably, significant advertising.

But I'm sure you already knew that since they teach it in day 2 of the walmart management certificate program.

Okay.  So forget the gift cards, you can't compete on price if you are marking them up when other retail locations don't.  The trading cards should probably go on e-bay or direct to a sports memorabilia or card shop.  Research for the stuff you have that is valuable enough that you know it will sell and forget the rest.  You can't compete with dedicated retailers who buy at wholesale and less common cards have a million different people undercutting each other in the used market.

What kind of games are you selling?  It sounded like Warhammer type stuff?  You are again competing with established retailers.  Even a local comics shop that doesn't have a particular item will gladly be willing to special order it from a wholesaler, they do it all the time. 

You don't really have a business here, you have a garage sale at best.  I think your management courses may have focused a bit too much on managing employees and customers, the human relations type stuff, and not so much on the economics of running a business.  That's still a very valuable skill, you just need to know where to focus it correctly.  I probably have the exact opposite problem, I'm homeschooled and my dad is an Agronomist so he was great at teaching me about economics but I haven't had much experience socially to work with customers.  I think you should just keep your collection of cards and start looking for some management jobs at a small business so you can learn from someone with more experience at working with wholesalers and distributors.  Collectables like that have value beyond money, I would never sell off my collection of ponies.   :D

No you're a douche for thinking I didn't invest in anything. I'm sorry you don't like trading cards, that's not my fault. They cought my attention so I bought em. Plain and simple.

There was a reason I locked my thread after a point. I made it up with some folks' help to stay in the game but I can't do it if assholes like FAtlas and you and half the other folks on this thread keep knockin. I see what the point was of this thread. You guys weren't done bashing me in my thread, so the op decided to post a "poll" and state that there was unfinished business that needed to be taken care of. Where? I don't see any unfinished business. All I see are a bunch of guys that don't have anything else better to do a 1am but continue to bash me over the site, how I run the site, and the gall to pick my life apart like it's the public livrary. I already apologised once. Hell, I apologised twice. You won't get a third one out of me before I start saying fuck off to people.

I just wanted you to unlock your topic so I could respond to you. I took the time to register and get whitelisted for that sole purpose.

Hey, there's an idea. Have a garage sale right in front of your house and sell all of this stuff there. But only take Bitcoins. The crazy old bargain-hunters who show up for every yard sale at 5AM will be thrilled to learn how they can use the Internet currency of the future to buy baseball cards from your yard. I feel like this idea is right up your alley.


You made a thread called "I'm Done!" with a rant about how much you hated the game and wanted out in order to stay in the game?

I'm not sure I follow.

You kidding me? lol, I hate the public. The public is the only group of people that will stand there and congratulate you one moment and curse you the next. It's how I got up as far as I did with Wal-Mart both times. Agreed that the trading cards are valuable to their collectors. That's why their called collectibles. What should I focus on then? Only thing I really have is that virtual marketplace idea that'll probly be picked to pices in the next few posts. I'm out of ideas on what to use bitcoins for then.

You should read his first post on the last thread about him spending the effort to move it over to a .com on GoDaddy. Near the end he says that it took him the better part of an hour.

Can we get this dribble moved into Offtopic or Meta?  Or the recycle bin?

Your point?


I vote offtopic, then again I didn't start this one. OP did. I locked my thread for a reason.

It is 9pm, I am slamming beers in preparation for the bar...you know...the one where you go interact with THE PUBLIC (say that in spooky old timey voice).

Once again, you have the reins here. You don't like what's going on, fucking change it. A bunch of trolls on a bitcoin forum ain't gonna help you, brother.

I said it in the last thread, you said that I was adding insult to injury. Remember?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44283.msg529912#msg529912

Oh, I agree totally about the public, don't get me wrong.  Lots of people hate their jobs though, you have proven skill in that area even if you don't like it.  I think for your choice of focus in sales you should take a look at the other successful high volume bitcoin marketplaces and see what they are selling for some ideas.  The idea is to find something that will be profitable, not necessarily something you have an interest in like trading cards.

  

Or just start slangin' dub sacks on silkroad.

This is called "liquidating your assets" - it's what businesses do when they are going out of business. It's not the basis for a business. You should sell off your cards for any price on eBay and take the money to put into something that has some hope of actually making money. I mean making new money, not recovering dead money. The sooner you do that and start working on a new business model that can actually make money for you, the sooner you'll move on with your life.

From experience:
I left Canada almost 10 years ago and ended up in Thailand with less than $200. I knew that I could buy items cheap here and sell online. I've lived off that since. I built it up into a mini-fortune and then blew a lot of it on photography gear so I could follow my artistic whims. Before I left home I sold all my stuff on eBay and traveled for 9 months until I was washed up and almost broke on a beach in Cambodia... but I knew that Bangkok had great markets full of cheap stuff.

I walked around the markets and took photos of items. I didn't buy them before selling them online. When you have little money you have to be smart about how you start the business. My first week on eBay I sold $700 of market stuff. Sadly eBay is not what it used to be. That was a long time ago but I have a (paper) notebook of all my first sales noted down with addresses. I didn't even own a computer then and had to make listings and handle emails from a web cafe on Kao San Rd.

Be smart, don't make excuses for yourself, and for f*** sake get off this forum - you're wasting your time here. (note to self... I should do likewise!)

Since you are unable to do basic math and code, let alone afford coders, inventory, and advertizing, what you should focus on is something completely different.

One more reason this type of work isn't for you.

Perhaps you could focus on your education as well as doing everything you can to keep the part time job you were lucky enough to get.

You clearly have no entrepreneurial or math skills, so let me spell this out for you:

-If you want to sell gift certificates, you need to buy them for less than they cost (i.e. work out a deal to buy a $10 card for $8) and then sell them at cost ($10) or better yet, slightly less than they're worth.

-To do this, you'll need to buy them in bulk, which is going to mean an investment ($$$) on your part.  You can't run a business without an initial outlay.

-There is absolutely no new market in gift certificates or Pokemon cards.  If you want to make money here, you need something novel, like accepting Bitcoins.  Your website failed to do this.

-If all this was not immediately obvious to you in July, either the management courses you took weren't worth the time you wasted, or you need to give up on your unrealistic dreams and start working a real job, however low-paying it may seem.  I would also suggest seriously considering therapy.  Jumping from one outsized scheme to another without taking any criticism along the way is a good way to end up broke and unhappy, and the sooner you realize this, the better.

LOL...this reminds me of the time where this guy broke into this house where the family was on vacation and he put everything out on the front yard and had a yard sale the next day.   ... I'm not sure if he used bitcoins or not.

it reminds me of the marketing campaign for 'cartman land'... I'm having this awesome garage sale with all these cool items for sale, but YOU can't buy any of it.

ROFLOL!!! Oh my god, is that what you think? Sorry, but being a fan of furry art has as much to do with screwing animals as being a fan of Star Wars has to do with screwing wookies, being a fan of Twiligh has to do with screwing vampires, or being a fan of My Little Pony has to do with doing forbidden things in a stable. Also, sorry to tell you this, but being a huge fan of anthropomorphic ponies, and the art style used in that show, does technically make you a furry  ;D You and your god are a little uptight.

Sorry, this part really caught me by surprise. I swear I am not trying to put you down, and it's all just curiocity, but how does being an agronomist make you great at teaching economics? Did he go over the supply/demand curves on quantity/price graphs and things like that?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure at least 90% of adult My Little Pony fans want exactly that.

Funny thing just happened--I took a nap and had a dream that Theymos moved my post. I had an inside feeling he may, so no hard feelings. Now I have some reading to do. I crashed 3-4 hours ago and this thread only had about 3-4 posts. Now that it's about 3-4 in the morning, and I have 3/4 of a cup of coffee, I'm going to start reading to see if the 3-4 slammers (for lack of a better word) has turned into 34 which is, by the way, the HWY I live off of here in Sandwich, Illinois, walking distance from the Star 34 Family Restaurant which I do not own nor does the owner accept Bitcoin.

is it open 24/7? go down there right now in your pj's and ask them to accept bitcoin.

Had to stop at post 33. Couldn't even make it to post 34 without commenting. So sad!

This post made me ROTFLMMFAO! I may have died laughing if you would have mentioned a crop circle of the Bitcoin symbol in your post, rainingbitcoins.

Post 34, here I come.

I didn't...I mean, he didn't.

It's not open 24/7, but you gave me an excellent idea--Bitcoin Pajamas. What do you think, Matthew?

There are always disturbed people who take their fandom too far, but you are the one rating animals by degree of sexual permissiveness and informing the general public about it, not I. 


The work he does focuses on making the absolute most efficient use of available land.  This applies lessons learned in biology, chemistry, economics, earth sciences, and genetics.  Although you can't genetically modify a factory worker to make her more efficient, a lot of the same lessons apply.  He didn't strictly teach from that perspective though, he taught me about a wide range of economic theory, including communist and socialist theory to see if I could discover the flaws.  But mostly he taught me to understand Ludwig von Mises and the praxeology of the Australian school of economics and how it can be used to predict the behaviors of the market.

 :)

 ;D

Sorry if I wasn't being specific enough. I didn't mean actual foxes, I meant people who associate their "fury persona" as foxes, or role play anthropomorphic foxes online (see his avatar pic) who are stereotypically considered sluts. Probably in the same way that Treckies who associate themselves with or role play Klingons may be thought as as typically being hardheaded badasses (though I know absolutely nothing about Star trek random, so am just guessing). Being a fan of MLP does make you a furry, and learning about that fandom is going to be a trip down a rabit hole you may not want to go down into (especially since a lot of people in that group started out as Christians, and ended up turning against and hating religions in general). Run while you can!

lol
Bad analogy. Being a fan of Twilight has everything to do with screwing vampires..... or werewolves.

thank you guys, you have provided excellent entertainment for "the best part of an hour"

shit i can't stop laughing

Yeah, I thought that may be, but really, you can't screw vampires/werewolfes, because they don't exist. Just as sexy anime girls, or anthropomorphic animals, don't exist. I wouldn't be surprised if people at Twilight conventions dressed up like vampires and screwed, too (would that be just covering yourself in glitter paint?)  :D

The glitter sticks to the shame.

First off, I reject your definition of everyone on the planet who liked Mickey Mouse as a furry.  It renders the term meaningless.  Secondly, I did not say anything about furries being perverted.  I said your lifestyle is perverted.  You are sexually attracted to the physical characteristics of animals and have not been shy about making that clear.

I will pray for you.

Pray that God touches my country America and that we turn from the sin of anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality. I ask for us that we will love all anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality participants as you love all people. Have mercy on us because we are sinful and turn away from You, Jesus. We have desired lust and shameful behavior instead of Your perfect love. Give us a real hunger to honor You and to befriend anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality participants and bring them Your gospel of love and not of hate. Jesus, You tell us that we need to love our neighbor and that God will bring us into account our sin if we do not repent and ask for forgiveness. May our lives be a sacrifice of love and fear before You Jesus. Change our sinful hearts. Bring America back to You. Thank you Jesus for the mercy you have extended for so long on us. Use us to bring revival to all around us.

Amen.

God' reply: *crickets chirping*
Scary thing is, Disney fans are actually way way way more creepy and screwed up than furry fans. They scare creepy furries.
I did mention I was a very devout, god fearing, weekly church attending catholic, didn't I? I had prayers like those too a long time ago. They they changed to "God, deliver me from your followers," and finally to "God, deliver me from your dictatorial, unyielding, and hypocritical slave mentality."
Good luck to you though.

The Catholic Church is corrupted and perverted to the core, I'm not surprised you were unable to find inner peace there.  However, unconditional love is hardly dictatorial, it just means you have high expectations to live up to.  I will continue to pray for your salvation from your life of sin.

"Bless me father, for I have sinned.  Today I had impure thoughts about anthromorphic fox penis.

....

What do you mean, 'excommunicated'?"

Avert your eyes, children! He may take on other forms!  ;D

The church I went to was no different from the protestant and baptist churches I visited. Over all, all of them teach the same thing. And all of them don't make much sense, or are contradictory/hypocritical. How can there be unconditional love, and eternal punishment/damnation, from the same being? How can someone claiming infinite capacity for love and forgiveness, hold petty grudges for rather benign transgressions, and punish someone for them for all eternity? How can someone with omnipotent foresight, who knows everything that has happened and will happen, set up situations he knows will lead to specific outcomes, and blame us for choices he knew we would make?


LOL! XD

The fundamental difference with the Catholic church is that the hierarchy is run by homosexuals and pedophiles and those willing to protect them.  You can't expect much spiritual growth from such an organization.

God does not punish anyone with hell, all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior and your sins can be forgiven and he will take you into heaven.  Only those who consciously choose to reject this offer of unconditional love will experience damnation.  That free will is a gift, not a curse.

That's the other thing I don't get. What gives Jesus the right to forgive transgressions against others? If I hit you, I have hurt you, not Jesus. It's you I would need forgiveness from, not him. If a murderer killed my mother, asked Jesus for forgiveness instead of me, and Jesus forgave him, am I supposed to assume everything is ok now? If it was your parent or friend who was murdered, can I forgive the murderer in your place?
And why did god have to kill Jesus, anyway? Couldn't he just have just done all that without the showmanship and torture?

I'm not stepping into a religious discussion, but you asked so I'll give you the tl;dr version:

Under the Law of the Jews, sin was 'covered' by blood offerings.  These were usually of livestock.  The better quality livestock that was sacrificed, the more 'potent' the offering. (IE, if you sacrifice that sick, near-dead goat, God won't like it as much).  What gives Jesus the 'right to forgive' is that (allegedly) he was completely perfect - had never sinned.  This means two things:  1) He would be a top-notch sacrifice, 2) Since Jesus had never sinned, Death (which is listed as a separate entity, aside Satan) never had a right to claim Jesus (since the story goes that sin is the seed of Death.  no sin, no death). This would mean that Death has technically forfeited his rights to mankind.  To claim that immunity, one must believe in Jesus as your 'personal sacrifice'.

/end theology class

Wow, um, weird fairy tale...

lets see, we have a mlp fan/brony/whatever bashing a furry while spouting out religious nonsense.....

you never know whats gonna happen on this forum, but you can *bet* its gonna be weird.




someone pass the popcorn.... :)







 

Jesus does not forgive on behalf of others.  

"And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!"

You are free to forgive or not, and human law is free to punish or not.  


This type of attitude is quite disturbing, no matter how sinful the life Rassah has chosen he is free to make his own choices as long as he harms no one else in the process.  Confusing your personal morality/beliefs and the law is a recipe for disaster.

It's also quite disturbing to witness such a cavalier attitude towards death.  At a recent political debate one of my personal heroes, Dr. Ron Paul, was asked a question about healthcare and if someone who decided not to purchase care even they could afford it should be allowed to die.  He replied no, but several people in the crowd cheered "Yes!"

No one who wishes for the deaths of others because of personal mistakes they made should call themselves civilized.  And I certainly hope the people in the audience didn't think of themselves as Christian.  As a Libertarian I do believe in personal responsibility, but that means you find a way to get the care paid for on a long term plan or through charity, not that you let someone die in front of you.

Hmmmm, yes... and the following con/party in hell will be the most excellent party in the history of the world. Even Satan will say "OMG, WTF?!... um pass the beer." :D

Living in denial really isn't good for your emotional health.

I think Matthew's been quiet because he's now working on this:

http://www.bibletcg.com/store/images/ssd.jpg

Thanks to the recent discussion on religion.

Why do the "anthropomorphic fox penises" get all the attention?  What about us cats?



<-- updated my profile pic 


Say, I wonder when Bitcoin will become big with the furry crowd. 

Yeah, I MUCH prefer felines to foxes, too. As for when? I'm hoping before the next giant convention next Summer (AnthroCon). A lot of furs seriously hate PayPal, because their TOS forbid using their service to sell pornography, and a lot of artists who have been selling comissions had their accounts frozen and their money taken (stolen) by PayPal. Considering that fandom is quick to adopt new technologies (SecondLife linden were accepted by some artists years ago, and I saw a lot of Square devices this year), I wouldn't be surprised to see some adoption within a year, and mass adoption within two. Though since a lot of furries are more left-leaning democrats, they likely won't go for it for the libertarian reasons so prominent on this forum. Though I did learn about it from Jay Naylor, and he's quite a self-described Objectivist.

But, if someone robs me, thus breaking one of the commandments, and I forgive them, but they they never ask god for forgiveness, won't they still be punished in hell? And if Jesus does not forgive on behalf of others, why do people ask him to forgive their sins? Plus, again, how can someone claiming universal love and infinite forgiveness, condemn someone to torture for all eternity? You really don't question things much, do you?
It always struck me as odd that the people who are so vocal about wanting to have personal freedoms, liberty, choice, and freedom from opression by tyrants or kings, are also the ones who are so ready to subjugate themselves to one specific tyranical king, and give up the greatest single freedom of all, that of thought. The tea party reenacting the sentiment of "Down with Kings!" while wanting the country to obey and worship their king, is almost as crazy as those peple with the "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs.



The correct answer to that question should have been "If you want to help him, no one will stop you." Yes, I somewhat agree, if that person didn't have insurance, didn't have anyone to care about him, and was a waste of life (lazy, self-destructive, unproductive), then it would be better for him to die. If he was otherwise productive and capable, likely someone would have fronted the money to treat him in exchange for him working for them. Either way, if someone doesn't buy insurance, and dies as a result, it'll be a pretty good lesson for everyone else not to make the same mistake.

But, if someone robs me, thus breaking one of the commandments, and I forgive them, but they they never ask god for forgiveness, won't they still be punished in hell?

When they rob you, they rob God.  They should ask forgiveness from both.  If they choose not accept him as their savior, they will spend eternity outside of his presence if they so choose.  The fire and brimstone imagery somewhat misses the point.  If you think God is not someone you want to associate with or who does not exist, you should have nothing to fear from hell.  All it is is the absence of his presence.


Kings and governments don't ask for your dedication, they take from you by force.  God gives you free will.   For religious libertarians the two philosophies are not in conflict.  God grants us free will, our own systems of authority should do the absolute best to make sure they do the same.

Ah, excellent. So, atheist hell is essentially atheist reality, a world where god doesn't exist?

But Christian religion does teach that those who "chose" to follow God's decree will be rewarded, and those who do not will be punished, does it not? So, although we may "chose" freely, we are still comanded to do as he wishes "or else." And how can it be free will if he knows what will happen? How can he settle all of humanity with original sin, when he created Satan, created the tree of life, and planted it right where Adam and Eve could easilly get to it, knowing full well what the outcome would be? It was rather snide of him to act surprised and angry about that, if the bible was true about that part. It also sounds as if you're rather liberal in your interpretation of the bible. Is it God's infaliable word, or just an set of ideas you are free to interpret how you wish?

BTW, little bit of background, it's my ex boyfriend who is mostly the reason I lost my faith. We fell in love, but his step father was a rather violent alcoholic homophobe, and EXTREMELY Christian to boot. He used quite a lot of biblical passages to argue his points and forced my bf and his mom to attend church with him, while in the evenings would often drink, yell, and beat up his mom, while all my bf could do was hide and cry while I kept him company over the phone or online. I still remember the many nights I stayed up late into the night consoling him. We were just small kids back then, and I couldn't understand how my pure, passionate, unconditional, and devoted love could supposedly be so hated and considered to be so sinfull by Him (btw, no, we were not having sex, and in the two years we were together at most we kissed. We were rather young still). Actually, that was sort of the thing that "broke the cammel's back" as it were, and made me turn against god. It resulted in me hating and rejecting him and what he stood for, befofe realizing there was nothing to hate. The things that started to make me question him in the first place were the previous years of similar stories with my friends and aquaintances, including things like a 14yo girl I was friends with who took her life because she couldn't deal with the stress of liking other girls, and being so rejected by her religious parents for it. There were way too many rather dark stories like these back then (though only one successful suicide that I know of). Somehow I ended up the person people would come to talk to, and heard these dark fucked up storries since i was 12 or so, having too many of my friends and aquaintances confide in me. This was also the reason why my initial career interest was psychiatry. I felt I was good at listening to people and helping them deal with their problems, wanted to help people with psychological pain, and is the reason I have so many psychology classes on my record (I switched to Business Finance later, and all those psych classes became just "electives").

tl;dr
 I still remember my very first question that started my "journey." It was "How can god, in his supposedly infinite power and compassion, let this happen to innocent children, and in his name no less?" My second question was "how can this love be sin?" It all starts with questions.

The problem is that God does exist, so they do not truly understand what this concept truly entails.  They will still have a chance of salvation at their judgement though, I doubt many would make the choice to live without him.


I think I have explained the concept of hell at this point and the distinction between punishment and your own free will to decide to accept or reject salvation.  God does not punish anyone, you make the choice.


You are confusing the actions of people with the actions of God.  God is about a celebration of life and love.  You should love everyone around you.  That doesn't mean you should give in to your perverted desires to use the gifts he has given you to create suffering and disease through homosexuality and pseudo-bestiality, but it certainly does not approve of a failure to protect children in your care either.   When I had my troubles my Dad didn't act with hate towards me, he helped me find God again so I could be straightened out.  Love and prayer are the solutions, not giving in to misguided carnal desires.  You can't answer one sin with another.

Free will defines what it means to be human, it condemns us all to a life of suffering in some ways but life would not be meaningful without it. 

I agree lol.

I'm actually surprised this is still going lol.
Wen't from bashing me, to furries to the Catholic Church and in that order.
I've actually been sitting here with a bag of popcorn and a bottle of Dr. Pepper watching everything unfold, and it's been quite amusing.

Well, ignorance is bliss as they say. I doubt any atheist will be able to force themselves to believe, if god does't show himself, since believing in god at that point is about as likely as it is for a Christian to make themselves believe in Santa Claus or Thor. And if he does show himself to be real at that point, I will definitely have some choice words for him, and yes, will chose to live without him.


What is the choice exactly? I chose to spend eternity in torture and damnation, because I chose not to accept or not to believe in him? A choice where I know my actions will result in either punishment or reward is not really a choice. More importantly, being subjected to a punishment or a reward by someone else for what they believe is right is not exactly freedom, either. Also, why is your version of hell the correct one? It's certainly not the one most Christian religions and preachers espouse.


To me, his action through inaction is monstrous. A loving omnipotent being who is claming to celebrate life and love should not be able to sit idly by and allow such things to happen, unless that being didn't care, or worse. And if god IS just sitting there and allowing lives to be destroyed, especially lives of innocent children, and especially in his name, then his love is just empty words. Meaningless. I would go so far as to say that I know how to love better, and have higher morals, than god, since I would never sit idly by when I know I can help someone in extreme pain.

This here tells me that you have never truly been in love. Sadly, a lot of younger anti-gay Christians have never fallen in love, so any attempt to explain to them about it being just falling in love is fruitless :( It's especially ironic when they keep proclaiming pure love for Jesus. You don't have perverted desires towards Jesus, do you?


And this part is sadly just misguided bs. Whoever told you this in those words has lied. Homosexuality doesn't cause disease. Promiscuous unprotected sex, with any gender, does. Committed monogamous relationships, even same sex ones, do not magically make diseases appear out of nowhere. Also, pseudo-bestiality... isn't that just wanking to furry porn? Not sure how masturbation can cause diseases, either.

One doesn't need hate to do harm due to lack of understanding or negligence. What WAS your trouble, anyway? Were you losing faith, or were you starting to get interest in a female friend of yours? For some reason you don't really strike me as a lesbian or bi. If it was something between you and your friend though, honestly, I feel most sorry for your friend.


Eventually, you may live long enough to realize that prayers are never answered. They never helped me when I asked for help, and they never helped my friends when I prayed so hard for them. They didn't save that girl, either. Delusions help, maybe. Hard work helps. Rarely dumb luck helps. Millions of people pray for the same things for decades with no result. Like for same-sex marriage to go away. I don't think god was ever listening.
And, as I said earlier, I did not give into carnal desires. I gave into loving someone totally and unconditionally, wishing to devote myself to them and spend my life with them. There were no carnal feelings involved, and it's rather sad that you associate love with sex and carnal feelings like that. That almost suggests to me that somewhere along the path of your life your view of love was rather badly broken. Badly hurt by a boy? abused by your parents (even if psychologically)? brainwashed into fearing physical contact maybe?... I don't know. You're not the first person with this problem I've come across, either, and it seems strangely comon among girls. Sorry...

To be fair, I wasn't bashing your furiness, and if it seemed like it, I'm sorry. It's also pretty much impossible to bash me. So, no furries have been bashed  ;)

It sounds to me like you are creating your own definition of a life without the presence of God, not one that I have given you.


God never turns away from suffering, he offers comfort to those who pray to him and eternal salvation to those who wish it.  


A girl who I thought was a friend took advantage of me and deceived me into doing something I knew later I didn't truly want to do.  I didn't quite realize it at the time, I hope someday you come back into the light as well.


My prayers already were, at some point though you need to take responsibility for your own actions.  God doesn't always send a lightning bolt to save you, you have to trust in his love and guidance to show you the way.


If you are not having homosexual sexual relations or giving in to your anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality urges, you are simply expressing the love we should have for every fellow person, but I don't believe that is the case.  Is it?

Amen, brother! Amen!

So a guy who thinks he's a pony, and a guy who thinks he's a cat, are trying to cheer up/bash a guy who thinks hes a fox.

With me so far?

Okay, but the guy who thinks he's a pony also believes in a god.  The guy who thinks he's a cat finds that absurd.  They've forgotton about the guy who thinks he's a fox.

So then the guy who thinks he's a cat starts bashing the establishment of the god in whom the guy who thinks he's a pony believes.  The guy who thinks hes a pony doesn't take kindly to the guy who thinks he's a cat poking fun at his beliefs.

The fox eats popcorn.

You missed that the pony claims to be a seventeen year old girl which would mean she lacks the life experience to pass such judgments on others

Yup lol, and for the record i'm non-denominational Christian.


No, no you weren't. If you received it as that, I am sorry as well.

The problem is Yahweh doesn't exist. 

Actually, the "eternal pain and suffering" is the definition proposed by practically every preacher out there. Is hell, by your definition, just hanging out in the afterlife, doing the same thing you were doing in life, but without God's presense?


What is the "eternal salvation" specifically? And what kind of comfort is he really able to give other than make you think "it'll be OK?" I can think that without his help, so I'm wondering. Whether he offered comfort or not (I never really felt it), he never actually offered any solutions.


Ah, so someone else got a crush on you, you felt in your heart that it was OK, then your parents and church freaked out and told you that despite what you may have felt, it wasn't OK, and god hates that love, and now you got all freaked out about it and believed them too? Or was it just a girl who got a crush on you whom you never actually had feelings for, and her advances freaked you out to begin with? (You know, it's REALLY easy to pray to god to make the gay go away, succeed at it, and then fel righteous about it, when you weren't actually gay to begin with). Also, god said just as much about homosexuality as he did about interracial mariage (I.e. almost nothing). Your parents and your church are not... lying... to you, but what they claim regarding god and bible's claims on homosexuality is untrue. They just don't know it, because, like you, they have also been taught these lies. Think about this, if your "friend" got you to do that something, and in your heart you felt it was OK, and there were no parents or church to tell you otherwise, you likely would have continued to doing that with her, right? Now, why would god make you think that was OK, and not automatically make people know it was wrong, like how we know nasty smells or obnoxious noises are wrong? Why does it take another person or a church to teach us about something that is SO morally WRONG and sinfull? Wouldn't god have known that there would be millions of people who don't have the luxury of the church around who may accidentally fall victim to thinking this great sin is OK?Why didn't he make us know, in our hearts, that it is wrong?



So, were your prayers actually answered, or, did you just realize you have to take matters into your own hands to get things fixed? I don't really need to pray to work on making things better in my life. I also believe that the thoughts and ideas that I get about how to fix the things are my own, not god's. And, as I said, why is me praying for someone else never actually helped those others? Why are millions of prayers to stop homosexuality not slowing down the legalization of gay rights around the world? Why do gay people who pray for god to "fix" them never have those feelings taken away, and get exposed as still being gay? (Exodus International, a pray the gay away group, keeps having issues with their representatives being busted for doing gay things)


If you are loving everyone equality, then that love is meaningless, just as if everyone had $1,000,000, it would not make everyone rich. It's not love, it's at most just caring about people, and at least just a delusion you tell yourself to make yourself feel better. Have you, or have you not, been IN love before? Yes, I cared about others, and I loved my parents, but I was in love with only one person. The sexual relations are not important. I am able to express that love with gifts, flowers, emotional support, and companionship, and sexual relations are simply another way of expressing that love. For the two years that I was in love with that boy, we have not had any sexual relations, but it was a connection stronger and more compassionate than any other general "love" I experienced. Our love felt quite pure and innocent based on what the bible said. No different than the love between David and Jonathan, really. Yet, my bf's parents, and the whole world it seemed, condemned our love as something sick and terible (my parents didn't know). I guess I loved strongly enough to chose my love for that boy over the whims of the rest of the world, or even god himself. It felt stupid that god would punish or abandon me for chosing love. Do you believe that to be "in love" with someone means "to give yourself up sexually to them?" I hope not, because otherwise your relationships will be very painful.

It's a girl who likes ponies and pony art, and a guy who likes similar style anthropomorphic cat/animal art. I wasn't really trying to cheer up anyone :P
They girl who likes ponies is very religious, and apparently had her parents and church FREAK THE HELL OUT when a female friend of hers turned out to like like her, and sent her to a pray-the-gay-away camp. Now the pony girl is all "gay is bad, mkay? God says so." And the guy who likes cat art is gay and dealt with religion A LOT, and is like, "it's not bad, the people who say that are awefull, and god is not quite right, either"

And everyone else eats popcorn :D

Lemme tell you something about Harry Potter...; Warlocks are the enemies of God!

Aren't we a little off-topic in this off-topic thread?   ;)

I have faith in our digital currency, I just hope others would hold onto theirs as well instead of panic selling.

BUY BUY BUY! ;D

I KNOW!!

Holy crap, market pushs up to 5.10, and the lemmings drive it back down to 4.90.

Oh well, up is up i guess.  I'm just thankful for the volume - at least it's moving.

I'll be buying about $3k worth in the next week or two.

Yes, I just panic bought.

You know, I tell people to get into Bitcoin not for the its amazing world changing potential, but to get in just to experience this market.

Next time just suggest that they set a few dollars on fire every day or two.  That will save them from wasting any extra time and give them the same experience.

Oh, no no no! They should bury them in a landfill. We're all about sequestering carbon now.  ;D

Even losing money often involves learning something. You don't learn anything from setting bills on fire other than that paper bills are flamable. Here, you at least learn how financial systems work, how things are valued, why the value drops, and how to avoid that in the future. Even if costly, it's still a very valuable lesson about something vast majority of people don't know about.

Bitcoin is to a real market as my cock is to the empire state building. I was hanging out with some chick today that works as a trader. I asked her what her biggest single fuckup cost her clients. She's made mistakes worth all of bitcoin right now, and she still has a fucking job. This shit ain't shit, holmes.

The only things his friend is learning after being convinced to invest in bitcoins are:
1) My friend is an idiot
2) Bitcoins are a bad investment

Dude, what are you talking about? $5 Rally!!! Make 1000 threads!!!!!!!!!!!!

My sig says it all.  :)

Rassah please explain your coffee table before making any more posts on this forum, tia.

To put the proverbial icing on the cake, this was all started by a bear (Bruno means bear in some territories). Note the slight change in the threads title.

http://www.nativevillage.org/Archives/2011%20Archives/MARCH%20News/knut_berlin_polar_bear.jpghttp://www.thisismatthew.co.uk/myinterests/walking/ivanhoeway/day3/IMG_4168.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B7iJN32O15U/SJ7aXgZfo5I/AAAAAAAAAMs/3FMYPyOLykE/s400/fat-cat-pictures-001.jpghttp://www.innocentenglish.com/cute-pictures/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cute-curious-fox.jpg

LOL! Thanks, that made my day  ;D

This was the image I was going to post, but felt the coffee cup was a better choice.

http://static.gowalla.com/photos/945253_high_res_320x480.jpg

Nice on the "fat cat" connotation, heh.
Yeah, I think one of the unlisted"rules of the internet" is "If it's on the internet, furries will overrun it." This goes for MUCK/MUDs, IRC, Facebook/Twitter, SecondLife and all similar worlds, 4chan, SomethingAwful (a lot of furs in there, and rumor is it was started by one), and it seems even Bitcoin. Cant's say I'm too thrilled about that though :P

I just Googled the words funny and (insert animal) and picked the four that tickled my fancy. The bear and the fox just so happened to fit the theme. Didn't mean anything with the cat. As for the pony, I just thought it was cute.

Even cooler that the "fat cat" is a coincidence. I am technically a banker by trade (though physically built like Chester, so fail that stereotype somewhat). Actually, another bit of stupid coincidence about me, I'm a count accountant. Yes, I'm a walking joke, eh eh eh X/

http://www.furnation.com/Wookiee/2002/W_Morning_Chester.jpg

... except I expect your table leaves less censored and more hanging out.

It's not "hanging," but yes.
Why such interest in my coffee table btw?

I love it.  Don't cover it if I ever come to visit.  The world needs more of this.  :)

I think everyone WTFed at Ayo_4_Yayo's comment, and we couldn't help but swivel our attention toward you.

Honestly at this point it's more interesting than beating the dead horse (fox, whatever) that started the whole thread.  I can't tell if he's trolling or just tragically misguided, but either way I don't think anything more we say will influence him.  I wish him well and I'll help if I can, but I just don't get the impression that he's taking any of the criticism to heart.

"Tasteful" porn, ladies and gentlemen:

https://i.imgur.com/UQqrY.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/UQqrY.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/njtBo.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/njtBo.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/fexe1.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/fexe1.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/LftyT.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/LftyT.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/ezmbx.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/ezmbx.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/F3F6D.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/F3F6D.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/HBarn.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/HBarn.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/KEGeZ.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/KEGeZ.jpg)

Seriously, don't click on those links.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

I think the word you're looking for is "pinups".  Everything else is just good ol' delicious smut.  :)

OMG eww.  This is why you can't compare yourself to me.  Not everyone who likes children's shows are as disturbed as you.  That expresses exactly the point I've been trying to get you to understand, you have deeply confused your lustful desires with normal human interaction.  Be it love or hate, it doesn't have to be automatically sexualized.  

I will continue to pray for you.

 (Thanks for the warning not to click, I should have listened.)

Wow, heh, good job finding my hubby's stuff that's in his computer room. He,s more into horses and large things. I'm very much not. I don't think any of mine is online, and only two I own is that Chester, and a pic of an arctic fox slave boy hanging in the living room, which caught my attention due to the detail of the gold and pearl jewelry, and the eyes (I often love well drawn expressive eyes more than anything else).That fox pic we don't even cover when parents visit, since he's in the style of old Greek or roman paintings.
Where did you find those btw? Also, I'm wondering, are you trying to put me into a position where you can make fun of me or make me embarased? Because I'm really not bothered/ashamed by this.

They were reposted by another guy on a different forum.  No idea how he found them.  Not sure I really want to go that deep into the internet to find out.

FAtlas as the forums most iconic troll it's your duty go venture into the depths of the internet to entertain us

You mean "as my hubby'" based on those pics, but, um, yes?


My normal human "interaction" is just fine, thank you  ;D Also, you have NO IDEA how bad it is out there, and just how normal/mundane I am compared to the real freaks (SA goods, 4channers, loli types, etc). You want to see deeply confused, check out the otaku culture of Japan >.<


Um, thanks? What do you expect to happen? Also, mind if I pray for you to break out of your self-imposed religious prison and prudishness? We'll see if either of our prayers has an effect.

Ugh. Just had time to step out during class break and take a closer look at those pics. Yeah, very much don't like either. All my hubby's kinks, and fine with him having those, but not my interest. I'm almost exclusively into thin femmy boy types. Also, omg those are old. I think those were taken 6 to 8 years ago before we remodeled the house and moved all the rooms around. I think most of those were sold, too (I believe some of the pics you found were for posting these on an auction site). Point is, the quality of artists and art in the fandom has improved exponentially over the years. Still porn though. I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

*anyone want some?*

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTMLRyVHRL9RvINkuh9o9bxP5__Zyc5ldo9YfYygucR2l7wloYYZA

Glad this thread is still entertaining ;D I was honestly worried that it was getting boring or too autobiographical (my life is really not that interesting... or maybe all this interest shows that it is?).

FAtlas, what was the forum where those pics came from?

PinkiePie, still hoping you'll let me know what you hope your prayers will achieve, or if you're OK with my counter prayers for you.

I am hoping that one day you manage to free yourself from lust and bestiality and learn that there is a life for you outside of the mental prison you have built for yourself.  You've been in there so long you don't even see the bars anymore.   :'(

I'm pretty happy with my life of debauchery.  I don't have a capricious god looking over my shoulder telling me there's anything wrong with it.  I'm not harming anyone.  I don't live in shame.  I have a loving partner.  I live a fulfilling life.  Why would I want to be free of this?  How is it a prison?  What's waiting on the outside?

I'm not actually attracted to animals, and find bestiality to be rather gross (I'm a clean freak). My interest in this type of art is just one step beyond people's interest in anime cat girls and cat boys (humans with cat ears and tails, rather prevalent in Japanese art/anime). Porn is actually a tiny part of my life. My big interest in this art is non-porn related (though the porn is still great). Sex isn't actually a big part of my life, either. This is something I am not worried or concerned about, and thus is not something that interferes with my life. Interestingly, I've found homophobic and prudish people who are so concerned about sexual immorality, that they end up wasting most of their time worrying about it, while those they are worried about just continue on with their lives. Ironic, really, that those who are against it end up the ones who's lives are taken over by it, instead of those being actually involved in it.
I think my point is somewhat shown by you thinking that this is something that is restricting me in any way, or interfering with my life, and spending your time worrying about this stuff and my life. From my point of view, I am completely free to think anything, to logically reason through my decisions, and to personally decide what is important to me and what isn't, while you are the one in a prison where your belief is causing you to waste your time being concerned about rather nonconsequential things that have nothing to do with you, without being able to even ask the question of why exactly things are good, bad, or the way they are.
I will continue to pray for you to start asking simple questions, follow through to more complex questions, and break free of your misguided beliefs (even if you continue to believe), and of your unhealthy sexual repressions. It all starts with not being afraid to ask the right questions.

The feeling of "God's love." One caused by activation of specific parts of your brain and release specific chemicals, which can also be attained by drugs, meditation, or a really good trance track.

You really don't think there are people out there who are content with plain ole' penis in vagina sex without some freakish twist that comes with being molested at a young age?

Actually Pinkie, don't bother answering my questions.  I try to be open minded to most things, but I'm really not to the kind of religion you're preaching, and I doubt you're open to the things I have to say.  We could go around for a while and not listen to each other, but life is short, and there are better things we can do with the time we have.

To be fair, I like sticking my penis in any of several different female orifices.  I just stick to girls that don't have tails(besides that one time, but it was vestigial, and I was pretty drunk)

FAtlas a cattail if it's attached to the proper plug can be fun
EDIT: on that note i have to go shopping for something for the camwhore who everyone's ignoring

This is a tough case to make when your collection of sexual porn is apparently posted prominently in your place of dwelling.  If you have to go to lengths to make your living space appropriate for a child to visit, you have taken everything further than most people.  It is not the sign of a well rounded individual. 

I will continue to pray for your salvation from this life of sin as I care deeply for everyone, as a good Christian should. 

(was never molested) Sure I do. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with plain vanila missionary. They are also likely unhealthily obsessed with other things (like other peopoe's "immoral" sexual kinks). Nice statistic from my human sexuality psych class - 50%+ of marriages end in divorce. Of those, 70%+ are due to sexual problems (not getting enough at home, etc).
Do I think most, or even half, the people out there are OK with just that? Hell no. Not from what I've seen.
D I think that FAtlas, a suspected SA goon is OK with just that? Very much hell no!! Those guys are often more perverted than even those in the furry or anime fandoms.
Just remembered another weird thing. The homophobes I've dealt with, the REALLY anti-gay ones, are sickeningly more perverted than the gays. They obsess about how gay people are morally and sexually corrupt, and come up with examples of sex acts gays supposedly engage in. Almost all the things they think up of are so horrid and disgusting, no one I know would even think about those things, let alone consider them. But these prudes spend so much time thinking about it, that they do come up with them, making their minds and thoughts be even more perverted than the people they are so concerned about.

heh not quite i was thinking one that might go with some ears leftover from a halloweeen costume

There's some irony in there somewhere...

I'm glad to see you are coming to terms with the fact that what you are doing is perverted.  It's sad that as some sort of defense mechanism you have to assume others sin more than you, but that doesn't change the nature of the horrid and disgusting sins of your own life.

and lets take a guess at pinkie pie's most depraved fettish ... i'll start with anal

My hubby's collection of porn. I'm somewhat not very sexual. But, trust me, he's still just fine (I have absolutely no problems with a spouse who is addicted to cock).
I'm not a fan of children, but at the risk (expectation?) of opening up yet another can of worms, I think our overprotection of children from sex is at least misguided and at most harmfull. You're an excelent example of that.


See, now you're just praying to get on god's good side, and to show everyone how great you are. Not very honest or humble of you. A bit selfish, even. I'll continue to pray for your freedom from mental and sexual repression, despite knowing that I will not get any reward for doing so.

I don't think Jesus would have replied with such poison.  If Jesus died for this person, where do you get off talking down to them?

Now odds are you're a troll.  And that's fine.  Trolls gonna troll.
But in the off chance you're not a troll - you should be ashamed for how you've carried yourself.

I've never denied that I'm perverted. Just that being perverted, if you're not harming others, is wrong just by itself (or just because some guy interpreted some words on some book, and decided that it is). No, I don't think others sin more than me. Rather, I know some do by their actions, and i do try to be a nice, caring, upstanding citizen (a gentleman with a vocabulary of a sailor even), but generally don't care what others do, sin or not. I do stand by my claim that some of the anti-perverts have more perverted minds than the perverts though.

As to the rest of you, come on guys, Pinkie, a 17 year old girl who by chance ended up too close to a same-sex relationship/experience, is already psychologically damaged enough by her abusive parents and religion. It's not really her fault, and breaking out of this thought patern is quite difficult, possibly involving some trauma (I know from experience). Don't make it worse by bullying her.

*cough*somehow i doubt it's anal, and my guess based on her pony likes is shiny, pink, pretty, frilly things... on other girls*cough-cough-cough*

Jesus believes in honesty, it is quite an excellent virtue. 


https://i.imgur.com/kffYB.jpg



As I said, I pray for you because I care and if I am able to set a good example for others than is a benefit as well.

Ah, see, somewhere along the line, I came to a realization that almost any human action could be construed to be done for selfish reasons. After that, I never prayed for myself any more, thinking it is selfish to ask god for things, when I should be responsible for fixing, y own problems, and only prayed for others. BUT, I also understood that praying for others is something that happens between you and god. If I tell others, unless it was to let them know that I care in order to make them felt better, telling them and everyone else around me that I am praying for them felt as if I was being condescending, and ESPECIALLY felt as if I was being selfish or disingenuous, saying "Hey, look at me, I'm praying for that other person, so  now god and everyone else should think that I'm a good person and reward me with praises and heaven and such, or at least reward me with thinking well about me." Ulterior motives and such do not make good prayers or people.

No good Christian would inform you with such ulterior motives.

"5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

It's only about letting you know I care.

I was just trying to get a "Sex Talk with Sue" quote into this retarded thread...but yeah, choice of orifice isn't the issue, it's more the necessity of hiding their disgusting bodies under a costume. I want my bitches naked and spread eagle on my bed, not dressed up like a children's plush toy.

Here here! Those costumes freak me the f*ck out. Their facial expressions are always stuck in that weird grin thing, and their eyes never move. I imagine it'd be like screwing a corpse or something *shudder*. Plus they're often mangy, sweaty, and stinky, since they're so hot to wear. I prefer being able to see their faces and reactions, though I somewhat disagree with just liking them naked. I prefer them dressed in something nice at first, and being able to "unwrap my present." Builds tension and excitement  ;)

How is you announcing publicly that you are praying for me, someone you don't really know, understand, or even know what kind of sins I may be involved in, supposed to be NOT you being a hypocrite, praying in the corner of [forums] that you may be seen? Are you not able to understand that you letting me know you care for me would make no difference to me, since 1) I don't know you, and 2) I don't think there is anything wrong about me for you to care about? Switch roles for a moment. Do you consider it as me being concerned about and caring about you if I tell you that I think your parents and church have psychologically abused you, say that I hope you will be able to overcome the religious harm done to you, and say that I am praying for you because I genuinely care? If not, why do you suppose that I will take your actions to mean that you "care" about me, instead of them being just misguided pity with a touch of hubris and self-righteousness? And if you do understand that I likely will not "understand" your care, then why announce it to everyone, instead of hope and pray for my salvation  privately, unless you were doing it for selfish and self-righteous reasons?
(sorry for the big words and bit of mind chess, but, as I said, human intentions are VERY easy to expand on, and twist into selfish reasons afterwards. Also, I would prefer to use shorter, simpler statements, but I feel I need more specific words to express myself, and in a way, this is a sign of my severe lack of writing skills, so please bear with me. I am also making a genera assumption that my language skills may be harder to follow for someone like you, and if I'm making an ass out of you and me, sorry.)

you are getting godtrolled so hard, sucker.

It's likely, though her statements seem genuine, and, worse, not original in the least (i.e. I've come across people saying those things before, and honestly believing them)

Jesus did not say you can't pray outside, silly.  He didn't say you shouldn't try and help and teach others either.  The passage I quoted speaks to motives, you don't pray to prove how pious you are.  Prayer is not for glorifying yourself, it's for seeking spiritual enlightenment and hoping for good things for the people around us. 

I can see that you are very much in pain, your replies to me have made it quite clear you really do wish you could escape your perverted spiritual prison and live a life free of sin again.  It seems like you have had bad experiences with other people who have made you scared to give yourself over to God, but I know you will find when you look to God instead of other people you will only see love and caring.

PinkiePie

I get it.  It's okay.  It's just you and me talking, okay?

I know you're full of anger and pain and you have to troll.  It's okay to troll.

But you're doing it all wrong.  You're not pulling in the hook fast enough.  A chase is pointless without a catch.

And the religion schtick?  You're not even really doing it right.  You have your theology all messed up.  You're not even consistent.

Go with the pony role.  Or a religious pony.  But a pure religious troll, that's like the special olympics of trolling. And you're in 2nd place if anything (Rassah has you beat).

When you realize you need more help i'll try to help you but only

And I will pray for you too!  8)

My religious beliefs are entirely sincere, and as long as Rassah is willing to listen I'm willing to try and help him.  ;D  It took a lot of help to get me out of a very similar situation as he is in, so I know how much caring can mean to a person.

But, by telling me and everyone else on this forum that you are praying for me, you are basically coming off as trying to show everyone how pious you are. And through your public display of care, you are hoping that everyone can see how good of a christian you are, and this trying to "glorify yourself."


I'm sorry if I have given you the wrong impression. I was in pain, yes, but that pain was caused not by my "perversion," but by my own attempts as trying to repress that "perversion" for the sake of god and others. More-so, the pain was caused by watching others trying to live lives true to themselves, and having their families and friends hurt them because they believed that those people themselves were perversions. It was the fear of god itself that was hurting me. A fear that I have long since gotten over, and no longer feel any pain about. My life has no pain (none related to these matters, anyway). I have a supporting family, friends, and a husband I have been happily monogamous with for over 11 years now (while most of my straight friends have broken up or divorced long before us).

Also, do you not realize that you are calling the innocent, non-sexual love and crushes felt by children "perversion?" As I said, I, and the others I knew, were very young at the time. Sex was the furthest thing from our minds. It was simply a crush, a love, an adoration, an infatuation. Something one felt for someone else, not by choice, but just because. Nothing more. And that, you, and others called sick, disgusting, ad perversion. Though I guess you being 17, you don't care, since you're still kind of a child yourself.

Do you know who Thor is? Do you know that there are many books written about him, and are many beliefs throughout history? Can you look to Thor in the same way you look to God? Can you understand that how you fee about Thor, not being able to force yourself to believe in him, is how I am able to "look to your God?" Or is the skill of empathy (putting yourself in other's shoes) not something you are good at?

Actually, this is getting a bit boring and melancholy, so lets liven it up a bit:
If the sin you are talking about is homosexuality, then, I hate to break it to you, but the bible, the original translation, says practically nothing bad about it, and actually has some good words about it (King David and Jonathan are implied to have a relationship, for instance, and David is portrayed as a stereotypical FLAMING prancing queen!). Before you go claiming that as an atheist I don't know anything about the bible or god's meaning, do keep in mind that I've first read the bible when I was about 5 (I liked the stories), and many times since then, and in more than one language no less.

I admin, I find trolls amusing and entertaining. Though that, plus my apparent lack of shame, may make me not so fun for trolls to troll :(



You do realize that for you to succeed would mean for me to throw away most of my friends, confuse and upset my family, turn away my 11 year relationship with a person I love, married (legally in DC), and made a home with, and throw away the emotionally comfortable place I have finally settled into after many years or grief and conflict? Whom do you love in your life that you would lose if you, while remaining Christian, changed your opinion on one aspect of that religion?

It's okay.  I understand.

I will still pray for you while you're in your time of need!

But what I don't understand is why you're obsessed with Rassah so much.  Stalking is a sin - even if you have a crush on his Anamorphic Avatar, you of all people should know better!

Hmm, I didn't get that at all from his comments. He seems quite comfortable with who he is to me. You seem very uncomfortable with who he is, but you also seem to be unable to try to see things from any perspective but your own. I get that in your worldview, he's a depraved and evil person. But can't you see that in his worldview, there's nothing at all wrong with who he is, how he feels, and what he does, and thus he's not writhing in turmoil over any of it? You don't need to share his beliefs if you do not wish to, but you would do yourself a service by at least trying to understand them. The first step is to try to understand that other people can actually believe different things than you do, with just as much conviction as you have in your own beliefs.

Genuine or not, you're still getting godtrolled. How do you think people begin to believe a load of bullshit like that in the first place? You are responding in seriousness to someone posting about religion. Whether they are just trolling or really think you are an abomination and will burn in hell, you're not gonna win.

God doesn't care how I come off, he cares about what is in my heart.



 

+1

I mean, I was tryin to draw some of it away, but you'd think after 9 pages....  ::)

Yeah, it's kind of like trying to teach a cat to fold blankets. It doesn't work, and it annoys the cat.

People believe far worse than she does. As for winning, that's not my goal here. In these cases, the journey and learning that comes along with it is far more fun :) (yes, I find this discussion entertaining)

Wow talk about the religious shift :P
*passes bag of popcorn and soda around the room* anyone want some? Got plenty to share.

Extra salt and butter for me, Matthew. Hope you've been doing OK, bud.

hey guys, did you know that jesus rode dinosaurs?


http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n362/413some/jesus-rode-dinosaurs-1.jpg


ok not really.... jesus wasnt real.


dinosaurs are still pretty kick ass though.

That is from someone whom EVERYONE tells doesn't know the meaning of the word "tact," what is in your heart, and how others perceive you, do not match up. If you do not care enough that your words and actions portray more spitefulness and piety than care, and will very likely be seen as hurtful to others (and we all know god doesn't want us to hurt others), that's your prerogative.



And way to start off with some bearing of false witness.
Here's the actual quote:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Corinthians 6:9-10
It does not say "sexually immoral" (though I'll grant you, I'm more effeminate than most), and it doesn't say "men who have sex with men." This will obviously fall on deaf ears, but "effeminate" in the original language, translated into modern vernacular, means "whiny pussies too wimpy to stand up for themselves, or fight in the army and defend their country."
As for the "abusers of themselves with mankind," the original term "arsenokoitai" has, sadly, lost its exact meaning to history. The best approximation we have of the word, based on its other uses in the bible, is male prostitutes, or boys who give themselves up to sugar daddies (look that one up if you have to). They are condemned for taking their bodies and minds, and giving them up to others to use and abuse. Also, you're a girl. Where does any of this condemn lesbians?


Here's a pro-gay one back to you.
"...Jonathan became one in spirit with David and he loved him as himself." - Samuel 18:1
"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt." - Samuel 18:3-4 (Smexy Jonathan striptease!?)
"After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most." - Samuel 20:41 (The couple crying over their parents forcing hem to break up)
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women." - Samuel 1:26
"And David was forsaken by God, and went to hell for being a homo" - Nah, I made this one up.

Tell me how David is not a total homo here? Fact is, if it was't for the whole "BURN THE GAYS" of the last 1000 years or so, the story of David and Jonathan would likely have rivaled Romeo and Juliet as a romantic gay tragedy.

If still not convinced, here's the flaming gay part:
"And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod." - 2 Sauel 6:14 (an ephod is basically an apron, covering only the front)
"And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart." - 2 Samuel 6:16
"Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel today, who uncovered himself today in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!
And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.   
I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.
Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death." - 2 Samuel 6:20 - 6:23

tl;dr summary: David was dancing and prancing in celebration, wearing nothing but an apron, flashing his butt at everyone (ephod = assless chaps of BC era?). His wife, seeing him dancing all almost-naked, was pissed and hated him for it (do remember that David originally loved Jonathan, and Michal, likely knowing this, no doubt always resented him for it). So, David told her off, and told her he'll never have sex with her, and didn't.

Whoa now. If you aren't trying to win, you are automatically the loser. I won't defend that attitude.

Ok, let me rephrase that. I am not trying, or, more precisely, expecting her to change her mind about this. But I do love the challenge and seeing the reactions (OMG, I think *I* might be the troll O.O)

+1

Oh, I'm also curious as to the forum's opinion on the whole David was a flaming homo piece, since pretty much no one knows about it, and with everyone's view of "bible says gay = BAD" it's fun to watch the reactions.

Hehe.. *passes Phinnaeus popcorn with extra salt and butter* there ya are.
It's been ok. Got in from work this evening and my right side went numb again. Fell to the floor. Same ol, same ol.  Reapplied for SSI for it. It's already at the point whenever I do get any feeling back in that part of the body, pain is dull'd there.
Been to dr's an ciropractors and they tell me the same thing: your spine's messed up, get on SSI lol.
All of this talk of God and furries and antichrist matter has got me thinking. While I am proud to be a fur, I seriously believe the as long as I'm happy, God's happy. Know what I'm sayin? If it makes me happy to believe I have an animal spirit inside me, then he's there for me. If it makes me happy that I'm gay(which i'm not), then he's there for me. Deep stuff from probably the most hated person on these forums lol.

Other then that, good how're you? lol

That's pretty self-indulgent. Don't kid yourself. You are a far cry from the most hated person on these forums. Will the real BW and Tom please stand up?

I don't even think anyone hates you, I think you are just trolling/getting trolled hard. But I do like your religious views. I am also of the 'if there is a god, I can't imagine him giving a flying fuck' school.

Amen to that lol, I'm off to bed. Long day tomorow as well.

The task of helping others can often result in backlash.  Try helping drunks, or addicts for example and you will not be well received, but it is for their own good.


It is quite unfortunate nobody ever let you know there are multiple translations of the bible.  I guess the poor education you received on these matters might be responsible for your lack of understanding of what God wishes for you.  The passage I quoted was from the New International Version which is quite popular and generally well regarded as far as translation goes.  I believe the version you prefer is from the King James Version.  I think I would trust the scholarship of modern translators rather than those in 1600's England.


And again, you show you cannot grasp the concept of platonic love without sex.  Jonathan and David were very close friends, but they did not cross the line into sexual practices.  I know it can seem strange to see references to kissing, but this was a very different culture.  Even today some cultures greet with a kiss, it doesn't mean much but that cultural standards are different.  

David had multiple wives and an adulterous affair with a woman.  He was not homosexual.  Passages like the stripping of the armor are a symbolic reference to the transfer of power, a symbol that shows up previously in the Bible as well.


26: And strip Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son: and Aaron shall be gathered unto his people, and shall die there.

Bowing is a sign of sexuality in the Bible?

5: And when Haman saw that Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence, then was Haman full of wrath.
 
6: And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.

I think you really want to believe this because you crave the approval of God even though you are unable to admit it here, but the approval for your sexual immorality is just not to be found in his word.  

It seems similar to the myth making that leads so-called "Rastafarians" to believe God wants them to abuse themselves with a dangerous intoxicant.  Take a little bit out of the Old Testament even though it doesn't quite say what you think it does, and add on a whole heap of modern sensibilities and culture, and you can come up with anything to claim God wants you to hurt yourself instead of help yourself.  He never wants that.

Observation!

Has anybody else notice Matthew's new attitude? Somehow through this whole process, he seems to come across a new man. I somewhat liked the old Matthew, but now I really love the new Matthew.

Let's all take a sec and wish him well before posting forward on the tangent you're on. I'm willing to bet he'll even share his popcorn.

You understand the dangerous path of that thinking, correct?  All kinds of terrible things, things nobody here would debate with me are terrible, make some people think they are happy.

Being a fur is a serious slippery slope to things even worse, like yiffing or whatever perverted fantasies you might be in.

I suppose only a catholic would sit there and try to tell me happyness isn't everything. I have my beliefs, you have yours and everyone else has theirs. It's all perception.


And that's a problem how? I mean think about it. I grew up around this stuff, so if you were going to blame anyone, blame Disney. But in all seriousness, I'm proud of who I am and my mate's proud of who she is. It's folks that sit there and try to pin us to a sterotype where we end up on the defense and spit uselessness like this. To them we're all horny humans that are into bestiality and are gay and the list goes on. I find it funny to be honest.

As I recall, it was Rassah who brought up the concept of love without sex here, when he explained that his first love (which you appear to denounce as perversion) was not a sexual relationship. I think he grasps the concept of Platonic love without sex just fine, although I agree with you that his interpretation of some of the Bible passages that he quoted looks like a case of misinterpreting things by projecting modern western concepts onto a different culture in a different time.



I think you're still projecting your own beliefs onto Rassah. From what you've written in this thread, you appear to me to have difficulty accepting that other people can have fundamentally different beliefs than you do, and that they hold their beliefs just as strongly as you hold yours. You will not be able to understand other people by projecting your motivations onto their actions.



Slippery-slope arguments are logical fallacies.


Emphasis added: That's precisely what you are failing to see. Some people here absolutely do debate the terribleness of at least some of the things you have denounced in this thread. For that matter, your statement isn't even logically consistent: If doing certain things makes a particular person feel happy, then why would they think that those things are terrible? If they agreed with you that those things are terrible, then why would those things make them feel happy?

Look, I'm not trying to change your own beliefs about what is right and what is wrong here. I'm just pointing out that if you only interpret other people's actions based on your own motivations and beliefs, you will utterly fail to understand them. Without trying to understand them, how can you truly love them in the manner that you profess to? I'm really astounded by the closed-mindedness that you have presented in this thread.

Just fyi, "yiffing" is a (rather weird) slang term that litteraly means "to have sex." It's only as specific as that. So, sure, "to have sex" is a perverted fantasy, but not really a unique one :/

NSFW: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=yiffing&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=685

http://rlv.zcache.com/its_a_yiffing_thing_tshirt-p23550918477345706233qt_400.jpg

Good morning!  ;D Glad to see you are willing to continue this discussion.


You have a good point. Though, when dealing with distraught or damaged people, one should at least try to understand them and learn how to help them without just outright pissing them off (granted in some cases that requires an entire degree in psychiatry to accomplish)


You are correct, it was the King James version, though it's rather strange of you to assume that I don't know that there are "multiple translations of the bible" when I even mentioned that I have read multiple bibles in multiple languages, and attempted to explain that particular passage using the original language. I think you may be getting a bit too defensive. Anyway, Just as you claim that modern scholars may have a better understanding or interpretation, I can claim that modern scholars are a lot more likely to be influenced by modern culture and try to apply or fit their translations into it for the common people to understand. More importantly, your claim completely sidestepped the fact that I was using the actual original language words, like "arsenokoitai," to explain what the meaning is. I'm depending on the original wording, and the definitions of those words, not the multitude of translations, each trying to fit the words into it's specific time and culture. Fact is, the word for "homosexuality" doesn't even exist in the original bible. Why is that, if it was such a great sin?


Here I was concerned that you were the one who had this problem. Rather, that you can't grasp the difference between platonic love, romantic love, and just sex. As mentioned, my 2+ year relationship was without sex, yet was condemned just the same.


Russian/Ukrainian, the culture I come from, is one of those. We greet with a kiss (I don't any more). We, however, do not cry, and kiss, and kiss, and kiss, when we part from someone we care about. Not unless it was someone we love very much. You are also making an assumption that their relationship did not cross into sexual practices. In this passage:

“You son of a perverse, rebellious woman! Do I not know that you have chosen [David] the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of your mother’s nakedness? For as long as the son of Jesse lives upon the earth, neither you nor your kingdom shall be established.” (1 Samuel 20:30)

Saul, Jonathan's father, is basically saying what too many parents have been saying to their gay kids, "You're a perv! How could you choose him for your love! It's a shame!" and all that.
First, ask yourself, if this was just platonic love, then why was Saul so angry at Jonathan for "choosing" David? Why did he say that it was shameful? Why is he blaming his mother? On the "nakedness" part, uncovering the nakedness of a family member was a euphemism for incest in the holiness codes of the Old Testament, and Saul would not have used this phrase lightly. For example, Leviticus 18:6-18 begins, “You shall not approach anyone near of kin to uncover nakedness” and goes on to list every possible incestuous relationship (except that of father and daughter), stating before each one, “You shall not uncover the nakedness of . . .” Why use that phrase if there was nothing sexual between them?

No, he was not a homosexual. Neither am I. Though I do believe he was at least bisexual (like me), and a somewhat gay acting one, too, based on his actions towards Jonathan and the other passages I mentioned. It's true that the armor part is a symbol of transfer of power. So, please explain, why would Jonathan, upon meeting David, give up his most prized possessions to him in a show of giving up himself to David's power? My guess, love/crush at first sight. What is yours?



Not sure what this bowing is about, as I didn't bring it up. Explain?


I can't want approval of someone I don't believe exists. What are you doing to get approval of Pinkie Pie pony, and if nothing, why don't you want Pinkie Pie's approval?


Kettle <-> Pot. Homosexuality was not illegal, and love between men, and even marriage between male monks, wasn't that uncommon until some time in the 1400's (I think, though I may be off by a few centuries). Marriage itself was simply a property transfer contract until the liberalization of the last 2 or 3 hundred years or so. So, perhaps the bible has always spoken out against homosexuality, and gays are just trying to make it fit the current (new) culture, or perhaps the bible never said anything against homosexuality because it was never considered as anything weird, and Christians are just "taking a little bit out of the Old Testament (about 5 to 7 "mentions?") to try to make it fit into their own (still somewhat-new) culture?

If you believe that any thinking can lead down a "dangerous path," that's your very first and most important problem. If your faith is strong, why would you fear taking your thoughts down dangerous passes or fear asking dangerous questions?

FYI: Even with SafeSearch set to "Strict", that search is still NSFW. Definitely don't click it, PinkePie!

Sadly, I had SafeSearch set to "Off" when I clicked it.  :o

NSFW: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=sex&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=685

NSFW: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=fucking&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=685

NSFW: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=hentai&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=685

Have I made my point?

That the Internet is a wonderful thing?  :P

Pinkie these are is just for you
NSFW : http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-Address&biw=1097&bih=530&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=my+little+pony+sex&oq=my+little+pony+sex&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=15934l17412l0l17633l10l8l0l0l0l3l390l1264l0.2.2.1l5l0

NSFW : http://www.google.com/search?q=pony%20sex&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1097&bih=530

I think the technical definition of 'yiffing' is actually 'Sex between two socially maladjusted and/or fat people who like to pretend they are animals'.

Ok, you got me there  ::)

I'm glad I clicked.  This gave me a laugh:

NSFW, hard-R: https://myiq2xu.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/mylittlepony.jpg

What do we call it when socially maladjusted fat people have sex without pretending they're animals? How about "making the beast with two backs and four chins"?

That's called an anime convention.

comic con?

People have sex at anime/comic conventions? I thought that was impossible for geeky/nerdy types without some sort of fluffy covering to hide what they actually look like?

There is a perfectly rational explanation: alcohol.

Still have some popcorn left if anyone wants some

You're not gonna have your junk through a hole in the bag, are you? This thread has seen enough sexual debauchery.

Actually I have repeatedly told him platonic love is just fine, but that his insistance on perverting it into a sexual relationship later is the problem.


I would not have referenced things nobody here would argue if it were things I had already brought up.  Rape makes some people happy, murder makes some people happy, greed makes people happy, gluttony, theft...everything can make a person happy.  You can't base your moral compass on what brings you pleasure.


No, you quite clearly implied you were providing the "actual quote" and then referenced a cherry picked version you thought would make your case better.  I was charitably assuming you were doing that by mistake, I can see I was wrong.




http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/Were_David_and_Jonathan_Homosexual_Lovers

There are similar explanations for everything you can bring up here, you are trying to fit what you wish God was telling you into what he is telling you.  It doesn't work that way.


I have already told you, do you think if you repeat it the truth will be obscured?  It is about a transference of official power, not love of any kind.  I know you wish God would give approval for your sexual perversions, but chanting a lie over and over will not grant this approval.


I think I see the problem, you are just copying and pasting things you have found online without bothering to try and verify them for yourself?  That is very dishonest, I have been telling you to trust in God and his word rather than the lies of other people, many of whom have apparently abused you.

"After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most." - Samuel 20:41 (The couple crying over their parents forcing hem to break up)"

Since we both agree a kiss does not imply a sexual relationship, what could you be referring to but the bow, unless you didn't read what you posted?


Please stop attempting to troll, it's painfully obvious when you do so.  

For S&G, I reach over and pull out some popcorn just to prove to you it's safe. (It is safe, ain't it, Matthew?)

Again, there's a huge difference between platonic love and romantic love. You can love your close friends, but you can be in love with only one person. I would ask if the love you feel for your parents is the same as you feel for your friends, and is the same that you feel for Jesus, but since you've apparently never been in love, this question is likely pointless.
The worst part of it is, Christians who are against homosexuality NEVER stop to ask if the love is one of "sexual relationship." Two guys together? "Sexual perversion!" and "you're going to hell!" That girl you were caught with, was it a "sexual relationship," or just "platonic love?" And if you two never did anything sexual, why was it perverse and sinful?



I base my moral compass on whether something is causing harm or hurting someone. Do you know what the one main difference is between rape and a consensual relationship? Or between any of those things you listed, and a heterosexual or homosexual relationship?


Eh, fair enough. I just thought that the quote I provided was a more detailed and more precisely worded one. Heck, I even used the original language part for that quote. Is the original language word, which translates into "male prostitute" not good enough?  And what about my question regarding the bible condemning lesbianism? Where in the bible does it say that the relationship you were busted for was a sin? (or are you trying to avoid this question too?)


Frankly, I don't even remember the details of why Saul is so pissed at Jonathan. But let's really be honest. Does the passage actually "describe" Jonathan's mother as being naked, as that "explanation" says? Looking at the passage, it seems to just say that Jonathan's actions, whatever they were, have "brought shame of [his] mother's nakedness." What kind of action can bring shame similar to someone else's nakedness? Why does Saul use this old oft-used term about bringing shame in such and such a way? What action is Jonathan being accused of that is being called perverse and shameful, as opposed to, say, hurtful, foolish, or something that would cause Saul to simply be angry? Sorry, but the explanation given by that page is extremely weak. For a book with god as the editor, that is some REALLY weird choice of words.


You avoided the question, and, ironically, you were actually the one who simply repeated what was already being said there. So, let me bold it for you:
Why would Jonathan, upon meeting David for the fist time, give up his most prized possessions in a show of giving himself up to David's power? i.e. Those two never met before, and Jonathan just suddenly goes, "Oh, hi. Here's my stuff, and I'm giving my power over to you." Why? How are we supposed to understand his actions?


I have copied that one piece of text for ease, but you're assuming that I haven't verified them. My words and my understanding of this are my own, not God's or anyone elses. They are not words I have simply been force-fed by my parents and church, but rather ones I have come to after thinking about this for a very long time on my own.
As for you, how do you know that your words are not the words of Satan? He can make you feel happy, content, and very self-righteous too, you know.


Ah, yeah, sorry, it's that thing about you not knowing what is platonic love and what is romantic love. A kiss like that likely implies a romantic relationship. People don't cry and kiss when they are forced to part.  Not even in cultures where they kiss to say hello. No one else in the bible has ever parted that way either. Frankly, I don't know of any cultures where kissing to say good bye is just a normal, casual thing.


Not attempting to troll, and if you just brushed that off as such, that's rather sad. But I guess I can keep history lessons out of it. (though you'd be surprised how many gays have actually contributed to your religion to make it what it is today)

Hey, I've heard you moved on from incompetent business practices to outright scamming.  How's that working out for you?

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You're right, simply stating facts isn't all that creative
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44939.0;topicseen

JUST came across that myself. I withdraw my statement and apologize. Though do provide a link next time please.

Again, if you are having sexual relations with men you are sinning.  It's a sad example of cognitive distress that you are unable to come to terms with what I am telling you.  You are free to disagree and take the wrong interpretation if you wish, but you will not change what God is telling you.


It's troubling that you took I reply I made to someone else and applied it to yourself automatically.  It suggests your cognitive dissonance is again in action.  Why did you assume your own situation was comparable to rape or theft?  I hope it isn't because you have engaged in such actions.


I'm sorry if you don't like what the passage says, but it is what it is.  It doesn't matter how you would like to remember it.


It must be very chaotic in your mind, as the truth tries to peak through and your perverted urges shut them down.   As I said, it is a transference of official position in respect of David's great victory over Goliath.  It is the respect of a soldier.  Had you actually read the bible, instead of just googling for quotes to support your perversion at random, you may have been aware of that story and why the people, even aside from Jonathan, had such respect for David's reputation.  

That sword cuts both ways.  You're preaching God's will as you see it.  People taught it to you because of their own skewed interpretations fit to what they wanted to hear.  Perhaps there's some guidance against homosexuality, although I believe the reasons for it are historical and not meant to apply to the modern world, like vast amounts of the Old Testament.

An objective reading of the bible has very little to say on this subject; Jesus didn't mention it at all.  But even if you believe that this is really against God's will, it's an item of vanishingly small importance.  The sheer amount of effort Christians put into this crusade is, in itself, a violation of God's will to love each other, support each other, and build a better world.

There was  very little for Jesus to say.  Homosexuality was forbidden in both the Old Testament and the New in plain text, historical revisionism is the only reason we even need to have the conversation.  Jesus was not on this Earth to make rules, he was here to sacrifice himself for our sins.  We might as well be arguing about the justifications in the bible for murder, there are some situations that look wrong to modern eyes, but we cannot use them to ignore the plain language that forbids it.

Sadder still that you can not tell me in your own words WHY I am sinning. God told you have having sex with someone of the same sex as you was sinning? He told me just the opposite. Perhaps that "sin" only applied to you? Or do you have something more concrete?


It's troubling that when you wanted to give other examples of sin besides homosexuality, your fist thoughts were rape and theft. Why did you think that homosexuality belongs in the same category? And if it doesn't, what other types of sin that don't actually cause any harm can you think of to compare to homosexuality? Is wearing cotton-polyester mix a good comparable sin? Is you talking in church? What about you touching anyone while you're on your period?

What the passage says is EXACTLY what I have proposed it says: Saul is angry at Jonathan because in Saul's eyes whatever Jonathan did was shameful, the result of his perverted mother, and brought shame on his mother's nakedness (whatever that means). Why are you avoiding the actual statement of that passage, trying to explain it with "But it's his MOTHER who was naked" when that was beside the point? Why are you avoiding all of my other questions too?

Fine, I'll concede you this one. Even though this passage happens AFTER David and Jonathan are back at Saul's house, and make a covenant with each other, I doubt anyone will budge. And for someone who is so quick to point out one's own piety and bible reading, you really don't strike me as someone who read it to understand it. It seems you just skimmed it for the words, and had someone else tell you what is meant, and which words are important.

Out of curiosity, just how much do you think this "perversion" or mine consumes me? By the way you talk to me, it seems as if you think my life, morning to dawn, is nothing but this homosex perverion.

Did he sacrifice himself, or did he let others kill him?

Any crackpot on the street can come up with a grilled cheese with Mary on it, but the word of God in the Bible is eternal.


Please restrain your anger and focus on the topics at hand.  I was listing things that are unquestionably wrong and yet make some people happy, not listing sins.  Why do you feel any mentions of rape and theft are about you?  I think getting this off your chest could be very helpful for you.

I have been a victim of rape, did some man do something like that to you?  If that is why you ended up as disturbed as you are now, I can understand, but it's no excuse.  You have to be responsible for your own actions.


I don't think it's difficult to understand, how would you feel if your mother was naked in public?  It's a way to say Saul was ashamed.  There was no sexual content in the passage.  In siding against his King and father he had brought shame to the family, much like anyone who pledged loyalty to someone outside their family.


It's like it's been conceded that the sky is blue, I don't know what to tell you, read the actual book in context.  It's about two good friends and political machinations, it's not one of your pornographic animal movies.

Along the way he did have a few things to say about morality and God's will.

The New Covenant is a fundamental restructuring that negates the Old Testament as literal law.  Indeed, this is the very foundation of Christianity that distinguishes it from Judaism.



The plain language also forbids eating shellfish, and specifies capital punishment for adultery and rebellious children.  Do you obey those mandates?

 ::)

It's not murder.  It's capital punishment for a specified crime.

Do you support it, or do you agree that something has changed so these literal, unambiguous laws no longer apply?

Eternal, maybe, but definitely not infallible, and definitely open to interpretation, as evidenced by the HUGE number of Christian sects. There are also tons of contradictions! (why did God add those in?)

Apologies then. It's just that there are A LOT of people comparing homosexuality to incest, bestiality, rape, pedophilia, etc. and list the things you listed in the same group of sins as homosexuality.


No, no one raped me, or molested me, and I don't believe you. I think that, MAYBE, someone loved you, tried to share something with you, which you consented to and enjoyed, but later you were told by someone else that it was horrible, it was rape, that you were actually really hurt and should feel hurt and ashamed, and maybe you fell into a victim mentality because of it. Regardless, being raped is not an excuse for thinking that sex is perverted and sinful. I remember you saying something about "because you think you're so and so, everyone else must be more sinful than you are?"


There are other ways to say it though. Saul could have simply said that Jonathan has brought shame to the family, and that he is disgusted by him. No reason to bring in perversion, or nakedness thing. Note that there is nothing in there about the mother being naked in public, either. You're the one reading into things and trying to fit them here. I've already pointed out that the shame of someone's nakedness is used often in the old testament to refer to sexual sins. Also, this passage is not proof that Jonathan and David were actually doing anything sexual; just that Saul was also making his own assumptions on the matter. But feel free to reject it though.

You think it's two good friends, I think it's two people very much in love. Nice to know that your opinion of my opinion of two people being in love is the same as "pornographic animal movies." Do you not see how disgustingly twisted your mind is for turning claims of love into "pornographic" "perversion?" Even if you say you're "ok with platonic love," it's obvious you are not, and if you come across it you'll be making the same baseless perverted assumptions.

Anyway, backing up for a moment, that was one quote from the new testament you mentioned. One that you didn't bother to contest regarding the "men having sex with men" referring to male prostitutes. Is that really all the new testament has to say on a grave sin like homosexuality? And, again, what about lesbianism? ANYTHING in the bible saying that's a sin?

Again, go back and read, I did no such thing.  I specifically listed things nobody would argue with me are wrong, I clearly set them apart from the conversations in this thread to point out pleasure is not the same thing as morality.  Why is it you feel so strongly your own urges are the same as rape and pedophillia?


You're disgusting, who tells a girl admitting she was raped, "Maybe you ENJOYED IT!  Maybe you CONSENTED but are too dumb to realize it!"  I'm more convinced than ever you are deeply disturbed, unfortunately I may not be able to reach you.

Cute, but no.


I said that your story sounds like a "Woes me! Please feel sorry for me!" lie, having been brought in at a rather strange and "convenient" time, and also that if it did happen to you, I wouldn't be surprised that you were hurt more by the people trying to explain what happened to you after the fact than by the actual "rapist," especially if that "rape" was done by the person because of whom you were sent to that camp.
If the rape was done by someone else, like your dad or priest, then I'm sorry, and you really shouldn't be listening to them about religion anyway.

Yeah, lots of men say that, lots of police too, you misogynistic asshole.

http://www2.rwu.edu/studentlife/studentservices/counselingcenter/sexualassault/rapemyths.htm

Yeah, but I'm sure they are all a bunch of woe is me liars.  Or at least, there is some man or cop who will say so.

Ok, then why did you suddenly tell me you were raped? What was your point?

I was hoping sharing my pain might help you deal with yours, I didn't realize you were the type to trivialize sexual crime against women, but I should have known from your general pattern of sexual immorality.

I think your damage may be beyond my ability to help.  You have too much anger and hatred for women inside you to turn away from your homosexual sin, it is clear now.  I will continue to pray for you, however, I may not be able to help you, but God still can.

Wow man...the proper time to shut up would have been a while ago. Seriously...just...stop. Stop...you can make that choice.

I feel I should explain before this blows too much out of proportion, so here's a reply I was going to make privately to someone else


Yes, I very well may have. Was thinking that this would be a rather awful troll hook, but if she WAS raped, she's ALSO not the first person with that claim I've come across. One rather disgusting person I know was raped when she was in her late teens, and is now totally emotionally screwed up about it, living off of SSI, weighing something like 350 pounds, and being an extreme drama queen. Any attempt to help her with her health, job, or anything else, comes back to "I was raped, I feel so sorry for myself, you and everyone else should too." That specific crutch is sad and sick, and in my view is more damaging than the rape itself was. There are also plenty of other people I've come across, who seem to lack any drive and have a "give me because I'm a victim and I deserve it" mentality, who use other crutches (such as injury or back pain) for their purpose. Perhaps I jumped to conclusions a bit too fast, when I saw Pinkie tell me that about herself as seemingly obvious attempt to make me feel sorry for her. Shit happens, and unless you tell me what you did to get over it, it doesn't work on me any more. However, her intention seems to have been "See, I was hurt too, just like you, so I understand what you're going through," so I've likely made an ass of myself with that one.
As for the comment about the "maybe's," that's actually probably as common as police and mysoginists denying that rape happened. Plenty of teens not even understanding the concept of the word, until someone else tells them how horrible whatever happened to them was, simply because it was sexual (who cares if they consented), forcing the feeling of horror and shame on them for the rest of their lives, and making them feel terrible about something that originally wasn't, in much the same way as churches convince gay kids that what they do or think is actually something horrible.
Heck, the idea that she and her friend did something and she thought it was perfectly fine, then after being discovered by her parents she was convinced by them and her church that what she did was sinful and horrible, but that it's ok and it's not her fault because she was simply taken advantage of and raped, is not that far fetched, is it?

I'm sure at this point, the fact that I was one of the few guys in my university's feminist club, that I marched in the women's righs marches a few times, that I see the fight for women's rights as being intrinsically connected to the fight for gay rights, or that I have been a staunch supporter of women's rights in general for most of my life (both financially and personally), won't really make much of a difference. Perhaps I do have too much anger and hatred, but just for religion, and am somewhat crewed up because of it  :-\

You wouldn't be anymore, if they saw what you just did here, but I guess next you'll call me a nigger than tell me all about your black friends.

It's safe ^.^ although you might get addicted to the butter and salt lol.
I love butter and salt on my popcorn.

Pretty good, want a gift card? lol

Only black friend I have is a feminist lesbian. Otherwise, no, I don't have black friends. I also think most of my feminist friends would despise you, too. One of the things they fight for is abortion rights, which you I am guessing are very much against. But an even bigger (the biggest?) thing they fight for is gender equality and against gender stereotyping. Religious people do A LOT of gender stereotyping, so they would likely be very cautious around someone as christian and pious as you.

Thanks for that. That was actually pretty nice. Sorry about getting angry, too.


Here's my favorite poem, one that I like to think I live by:

Curiosity

Alastair Reid

may have killed the cat; more likely
the cat was just unlucky, or else curious
to see what death was like, having no cause
to go on licking paws, or fathering
litter on litter of kittens, predictably.

Nevertheless, to be curious
is dangerous enough. To distrust
what is always said, what seems
to ask odd questions, interfere in dreams,
leave home, smell rats, have hunches
do not endear cats to those doggy circles
where well-smelt baskets, suitable wives, good lunches
are the order of things, and where prevails
much wagging of incurious heads and tails.

Face it. Curiosity
will not cause us to die–
only lack of it will.
Never to want to see
the other side of the hill
or that improbable country
where living is an idyll
(although a probable hell)
would kill us all.

Only the curious have, if they live, a tale
worth telling at all.

Dogs say cats love too much, are irresponsible,
are changeable, marry too many wives,
desert their children, chill all dinner tables
with tales of their nine lives.
Well, they are lucky. Let them be
nine-lived and contradictory,
curious enough to change, prepared to pay
the cat price, which is to die
and die again and again,
each time with no less pain.
A cat minority of one
is all that can be counted on
to tell the truth. And what cats have to tell
on each return from hell
is this: that dying is what the living do,
that dying is what the loving do,
and that dead dogs are those who do not know
that dying is what, to live, each has to do.

Trust me, rape is issue number one for feminists as about 15-25% of women experience it as I have and 100% live with the threat of it every single day.  This may be some sick sexual joke to you, as your privilege as a man has left you free of this fear, but it isn't to us.  I don't know what damage left you in this severe state of spiritual decay, but I will continue to hope God lifts you free some day.

Actually divorces in america is issue number one. 1 in 5 marriages will end in divorce within the first 5 years. It's been statistically proven(the rate is higher in Maine). Rape, while serious, is on the low end of this countrys problems. Last I read, the list went Divorce Rate, Country Deficit, the war in Iraw, Unemployment, Bad Business Practices(hey look, me and Walmart in the same category), False accusations, Social Security, crime, false arrests, Rape, the internet(and somewhat in that order).

The incidence of men being raped is much lower, in part because when men get raped, no one even considers it as such, and just says "oh, you got lucky!" Any guy attempting to get help for being raped will be looked upon as weak and broken, since the stereotypical view of men is that they are strong and can protect themselves. Thus, men in your situation don't even bother to report it, instead just holding it in, continuing to pay child support, etc. I'm quite personally aware of that gender stereotype problem as well (no, again, I was not raped), and is also the reason I support the feminist movement's fight against gender stereotypes. You girls are not the only ones being fucked up by it.

She's talking about feminists and women's rights issues, not America as a whole.

ah.. was confused there for a bit.

Reporting is low because people instinctively deny it happens eh?  They say the victim enjoyed it?  Wow, what kind of person would do such a thing to an innocent victim?

Male rape happens, very, very rarely.  When it does happen it is usually homosexual as men are vastly more likely to be sexual criminals than women.  For a woman rape is something that every one of us is aware could happen at any moment any day.  The invisible backpack you are wearing blinds you to this, but ask your feminist friends and they will tell you.

Being a rather girly boy, and being bullied most of my growing up life, I'd like to think I can at least sort of understand your fear. Though I hope this fear isn't consuming too much of your life.

Again, you don't understand the concept of male privilege.  As a homosexual only a small portion of the male population would be interested in you, women must be cautions around all men.  The fact that you think this is some fear unique to my life combined with your ridiculously offensive comments claiming I am lying about my circumstances makes it clear you have not even taken a "Feminism 101" type class and are most likely lying about your contact with feminists.  That is somewhat pathetic, but at this point not particularly shocking.

God, I would have thought you hit China already...

Guy...stop digging...it won't get you out of the hole.

*plugs in the popcorn popper* I knew there'd be a good part to this movie somewhere..
sodas anyone?

Goddamn you eat a lot of popcorn.

No, I do get it, as well as white privilege, and christian privilege. As a homosexual, a rather large portion of the male (and female) population would be interested in doing bad things to me, so, just as you are cautious, I tend to be almost instinctively cautious around very manly (read: redneck) men. You may have someone inappropriately hit on you or rape you, I may have someone say something horrible to me, and beat me up.
You can't say that male rape happens "very very rarely." That's an assumption as stupid as the one I've made, since you have nothing to base that on. If female ape is under-reported, male rape is more so. I'll grant you that male happens much less than female, though, but we men are not all tough and strong. A lot of that is just an act for other men.
In a way, I am actually glad that you felt so angry and "ridiculously offended" by my statement. Shows you may have some potential for empathy. That feeling you felt when I said you're lying? That's pretty much exactly how I feel when people (and you) look at my love for someone and tell me I'm lying about it, I'm just confused, and it's a perversion. You say I don't understand what you feel regarding your experience, and am I horrible person. I say likewise about you for the very same reasons. I've at least realized my mistake on this forum. You can't.

By the way, back to the very very very old issue at this point, why are you afraid of rape? After all, you do pray a lot, and god does watch over you to make sure these horrible things never happen, right? (as I mentioned, from my experience, i don't think he cares, unless those bad things are some kind of learning experiences)

But I'm still having so much fun!  :D

hehe.. i give more away then I eat.

Except you can move to Key West or San Francisco or some other liberal city where the likelihood of a real crime against you is very low. Women, on the other hand, have no such 'safe haven'.

well there's why your business is bleeding money. you gotta charge for that shit.

Do you just think the rape statistics I have quoted are imaginary or something?  1 in 4 homosexual men are not raped, or beaten.  100% of them don't have to be cautious of rape every single day and worry about every single person.  Most rapists know the victims, we aren't talking about random rednecks.  

Look, you clearly lied about having anything to do with feminists or someone would have educated you about this, why did you lie about that?  Do you think it's funny to use sexual violence to troll people?


Sure, you already did "YOU ASKED FOR IT!" and "YOU REALLY ENJOYED IT!" so why not "It's your fault!  Why didn't YOU prevent it?"  Just so we can skip the next one, I dress very modestly all the time, okay?

Lol, ok i'll start charging 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001btc for salt and butter lol.

Did I dispute them?


1 in 5 homosexual men are beaten or abused to the point where they attempt to commit suicide, and something like 1 or 2 in 20 succeed. It doesn't have to  be because of rednecks. Just bullies, assholes, and people like your parents, your church, and you.


It's ok. I don't need to convince you.


That is not what I said. I asked WHY is God ignoring those things? As I mentioned, that is one of the big reasons I lost my faith; seeing all the horrible shit happen to people who did not deserve it, and see God sit idly by, even when he's being prayed to. That doesn't bother you in the least?

Those two sound like pretty good safe havens for women, too, since most men there wouldn't be interested in them.

If you think the male experience with rape is remotely comparable, yes you did.


Citation needed, but still not equaling the 1 in 4 rape statistics for normal heterosexual girls.


No, you referenced prayer, which you know I know works.  Now you are telling me that since I was raped I should abandon my religion?  Holy Jesus, why did you pretend to know anything about feminism if you were going to try and use a rape to browbeat a 17 year old girl into abandoning her religion?

I don't think it's comparable, but I don't think it can honestly be compared or dismissed, ether (due to underreporting)

Well, here's one.
http://www.livescience.com/13755-homosexual-lgb-teen-suicide-rates-environments.html (http://www.livescience.com/13755-homosexual-lgb-teen-suicide-rates-environments.html)
I wonder what the statistics are for girls who were raped who attempt suicide?


No, I'm simply asking why were you raped if you pray and believe in god? Why did god just sit there and watch the whole thing happen? And why do you expect he will do so again, since you admitted that is still a major fear for you? I'm not tring to browbeat you. Those are simply questions I would have in your situation.
I was about your age when I abandoned mine btw. No one had to browbeat me. I simply asked why was god sitting around doing nothing about it. So, I understand if honestly asking this would scare the hell out of you.


And, heh, just remembered something that sort of ties into all these things. On the topic of homosexuality in the bible, and rape, the ONLY male survivor of that entire Sodom and Gomorrah incident just ended up getting raped afterwards.

Oh yes! And rape for women is never under-reported!  Of course.  It can be dismissed, because even when fully reported it doesn't approach the daily reality of the rape culture women must deal with.  Again, this is Feminism 101, you can't claim to know anything about this subject if you aren't aware of it.

A homosexual man, if he wishes, has the privilege to act straight and drastically reduce the chance of sexual violence.  A woman has no such choice.  


Oh great!  Another one!  It isn't real rape if you don't do the honorable thing and kill yourself over it!  Your pain doesn't count as much otherwise!  The answer is 33%.

http://www.suicide.org/rape-victims-prone-to-suicide.html

Being born a heterosexual girl leaves you far more vulnerable to sexual assault, and all the consequences it brings.  One of the things that may confuse you is that the survey you referenced talked about teens, they have an increased incidence of suicide across the board, but rape statistics for women track all ages.  15% of victims are under 12, I'm sorry if it offends you that they don't know how to kill themselves yet.


How in Christ's name can you type these things?  It wasn't my fault I was raped for not praying hard enough.  God didn't rape me, you sicko, God was the one who comforted me.  

I have to go to bed now, my dad doesn't give me a bedtime but he does hold me responsible if I am not awake enough for my homeschooling in the morning.  Before bed I will say a prayer for you.  I think our conversation tonight has been very enlightening, it is clear you hate women and this is the source of your perverted homosexuality.  I can promise you, not all women are as bad as whoever it was that hurt you.  

We are humble and loving and emotional beings, and if you turn away from your perversion one day you could have a son or a daughter in your own image as God has planned instead of wasting your life spilling your seed.



v The statistics are 1 in 4 for college women.  It is undoubtedly higher among more disadvantaged women, and in the developing world.  The reported statistics are meaningless, I didn't report my rape to the police, but it happened.

http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

I know the numbers seem hard to believe to you, but that is just an aspect of male privilege.  Your sister, daughter, or mother...they know.

I'm not sure where the 25% number comes from.  Reported rape per capita was 28/100,000 in the US in 2009 (per the UN).  Figuring that 75% of rapes are unreported, and a 40-year window where a woman is ripe for rapein', you're still looking at a 4% lifetime risk.  I'm not downplaying this as a serious concern, but the only way you're getting 1 in 4 is if you expand the definition of rape to cover regret and "I didn't really want to but I went along with it anyway" scenarios.  Sorry, but those aren't rape in either a US legal or community standard sense, and distorting the facts doesn't help your case.

Pinkie's new "rape victim pony" avatar is great.

Rassah should switch his avatar back.  You're a fine looking guy, but the cat was still cuter.

Hah, yeah right, I only wish I was that gorgeous. I was just in the process of setting up for some new trolling regarding me not looking like a stereotypical fat dorky furry, but then this whole rape thing blew up.
I don't know who that is. Internet is useful for that though.

That cat-man-thing was creepy as fuck but then again that guy is sort of creepy as well, so it's a wash.

I don't claim to know everything on the subject and have not taken Feminism 101 (is that one of your homeschooling classes?). I've only claimed that I am a supporter. And that I'm willing to learn. Though the other girls I hang out with don't seem to have this "daily reality of rape culture." It's not something they seem to be too worried about. I don't know if it's because they are just stronger, or are better at hiding it, or if you are somewhat of an exception with your fear (which, with your experience, can be expected).


I asked out of curiosity, and without implications. Thank you for answering. That does sound rather horrible.


So, what you're saying is that if those statistics were to be expanded to homosexuals of ALL ages, the numbers and the percentage would be even higher?


This part actually explains your actions quite a bit. I was suspecting that you were homeschooled, so thanks for confirming.


You're making assumptions again, and we've both gotten in trouble on here for doing that. I don't hate women. I admit I don't understand some of them, but every person is different regardless of their gender. And if being hurt by a woman was what caused one to be gay, then pretty much almost every guy on the entire planet would have been gay. On the contrary, my biggest heartbreaks have been caused by guys, so by your logic I should be very straight now.


You are right, the statistics are shockingly high. How is it that something so prevalent is being so well hidden by so many people? Or are the 1 in 5 who said yes to "In your lifetime have you been forced to submit to sexual intercourse against your will?" including everything from actual rape, to things like being coerced into sex by psychologically abusive boyfriends (do it or I'll leave you), and things like girls who do it of their own will but regret it later? It just feels like lumping all of those together is a bit unfair to the women who've had to deal with the actual violent type of rape, and is distorting the numbers to the point where people may find them hard to believe and to listen.
I think you should report your rape to the police, since it seems to be still bothering you. I also think you should stop wearing it on your sleeve like a badge of honor. Fight to overcome and not have it affect your life and all that, since if that incident is still making you live in fear, than your rapist is still hurting you and holding control over you.



I would never dream of implying that any of that was your fault. I'm implying that it's god's fault for letting it happen. I mean, if I wanted to be like God, does that mean that if I ever see a woman being raped, I should not stop it and instead just stand there and say nice things to the woman to comfort her? That's why I'm glad I'm not like god in the least. (i.e. I sure as hell would do something about it, unlike him)

I think you look sexy in this photo. This may be a stupid question but, do you remember feeling sexy when it was taken?

The better question would have been why were you raped if you God is good (and exists)?  The only thing the believer is at fault of is having faith.  (Shame. Shame!)  The only answer I have heard from believers is that these bad things are in fact good for us.  Somehow.  Hence, I don't have much sympathy for theists because, as they claim, God has it all under control.  For the rest of us, this might be as good as it gets.  All, we have are friends and family.

As I said, not me.

Rule #1 of salesmanship: Only ask questions, and have the buyer come up with the answers. If you give them the answers, they'll be skeptical. If they come up with the answers on their own, they'll believe them.

The trick is to know what questions to ask.

One of my gifts is being able to "read between the lines," and I don't expect Pinkie to come up with all the right answers right away. She is incredibly bright (in both meanings of the word), surprisingly tough, willing to fight for herself, and willing to get angry when appropriate (all somewhat rare and very respectable qualities). A lesser person would have resorted to personal name calling, or ran away angry and crying by now. She has stuck to it despite the very difficult topics, and I am fully aware of the difficulty of type of things I am bringing up and asking of her (yes, I'm claiming that what I have been saying in this entire discussion is, mostly, not accidental blunders, and are words I fully meant to say). I do actually recognize her skills at subtly sidestepping points she may not have answers for, or is uncomfortable confronting, (as opposed to just being dumb and avoiding questions like trolls often do) and instead constantly refocusing the discussion to the points she believes are important. Switching this topic to a discussion about rape was somewhat unintentionally brilliant of her, and has given me an extremely difficult and dangerous challenge, for which I am actually very thankful to her, since it's rare for me to get challenged on such a level that I am forced to think hard and chose my words extremely carefully. Kudos for making me stumble and go into an overly defensive position, as well. The personal assumptions she makes about me I simply chuck to her youth and inexperience, and her statement of "I'm just a 17 year old girl! How dare you!" actually made me laugh at how disingenuous it seemed, since she has been an extremely strong and high level opponent through all this in spite of her age. No, I don't expect to change her mind (although it's inevitable her views on homosexuality and god will evolve over time, at her own pace), but I am enjoying asking such difficult and rarely discussed questions, having her fairly skillfully navigate them, and give me her opinions on them. Mostly I am enjoying learning so much about her, since I am actually starting to admire her somewhat. She so reminds me of the kids I mentioned I used to talk to so many years ago. And, from what I have seen of her so far, even if I think she may be a bit misguided, and do feel sorry for, and very angry at, what her parents did to her regarding that camp situation, I'm fairly sure she'll be ok, since whether she holds on to her faith, or whether it fades a bit over time, she'll definitely be a force to be reckoned with. Just don't tell her I said so ; )

*looks at PinkiePie's new sig*


Aww sh**! I hope that wasn't my fault  :-\

I was referring to the previous one with the dramatic lighting... The one that actually was you.

both of those pics are the same person.

Hello, I feel I need to share my opinion here.
I'm against rape and victim-blaming.  But honestly, that's probably the only thing we two agree on.  Because...
Fuck you for being a homophobic, bible-thumping ignoramus who uses her delusions to justify her stupid bigotry.  People like you are the ones who give this country a bad name abroad.

Did someone just say fuck you to a school girl?

I was there.

Yup me too.

Well, yes, but it's her fault, really.  She was asking for it.  Practically begging for it.  Can't fault a guy under the circumstances.

Sorry, I know I'm going to hell, but it was too easy.  :)

More seriously, she's 17, not 7.  She's old enough to own her opinions and the blowback they will generate.

Fair enough, I reckon. I felt it odd it the time. Carry on, folks.

Well, to be fair, she is a HOMEschool girl, so it's not like she has much of a chance to learn anything other than what her parents feed her. Heck, she's still getting grounded at 17.

She's also still around and reading, though it seems no longer posting. I wonder if her parents took away her keyboard? (Mine used to do that. Typing with a mouse and on screen keyboard sucked.)

Seems like it from her "parent" posting about the nature of the board.
I'm actualy glad she's going through a home school program; the public school system sucks.
Escpecially the California school system.

Seriously, all those stupid teachers, horrible jerks, and vapid sluts!  What was their fucking problem?  Fuck High School


Ha ha, just kidding.  High school was fucking rad for anyone who wasn't a social retard.

Her parent posted?

N/M, reading now...

Holy Shit, did she try to commit suicide?! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41901.msg509961#msg509961

Personally, I think home schooling is a terrible idea, because it's essentially a parent saying to their kid, "you're only going to be as good as I am." I can see homeschooling be "OK" for the first few grades (though you'll be limiting your kid's social education and can make them somewhat awkward), but regardless of the educational materials used, I just can't see a parent, short of having multiple degrees in multiple subjects, as being comparable to teachers who actually studied and specialized in those subjects...


I was a total social retard. I think I had, like, one friend the entire time I was there. I'm still defending high school.

True, but you don't have the social awkwardness and bullyness the school system provies. When I was down in central Florida for my jr year, all the high schools down ther have on-duty police officers for crowd control.


I was part of the quiet bunch myself. I did my academics and didn't talk to anyone else.. that was until I found the internet lol.

Yeah, I had lots of those internet friends, too. I did have a bunch of somewhat local friends. Its the high school where I only had one.

^^^^
Rassah please tell us something about your awkward high school social life that doesn't surprise us.

All of these things have surprised you so far? Oh, wait, sarcasm?
Hmmm... something that won't surprise you... How about that I was an almost straight A student most of my school life, skipped 7th grade completely, and yet graduated high school with a mid 2.something GPA?

The faster you graduate, the faster they got rid of you.

Yep.

And still you're stupid enough to take my comment as a compliment. Well played sir.

Lol! You thought I was acknowledging you  ;D
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44249.msg539499#msg539499
I'm stupid? Yep, that's me

SA is the type of forum that I would have fun on. But I'm not using the internet to have fun, though I do it here sometimes. This is the only forum I participate in. I do so for the love of Bitcoin (not the fun part, but the participation aspect). I've learned a hell of a lot from this forum, over and above beyond Bitcoin related.