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Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

In a market like today, I believe that bitcoin will not be able to rebound to the $ 20000 mark as at the end of 2017, you can see that the market has been fluctuating continuously over the past few days and It is difficult to predict, bitcoin prices are constantly decreasing and there are no signs of recovery, so at this point you should only trade short term in order to minimize risk. The bitcoin price is likely to reach $ 2000 by the end of 2018.

Yeah all of OP's explanation are all useless in terms of increasing the value of bitcoin the title seems of so I've read it thoroughly and to find out the he says "I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow" is unlikely. To increase the value of bitcoin to atleast a $20000 it need atleast half a million dollars or more to support the masses as they hold.

What you say is a possibility, but just unlikely to happen on a large scale. It also doesn't last as we have seen. Don't forget that the more professional the parties involved in Bitcoin are, the more strategic planning is involved.

If we look at why these crazy bull runs are separated by years, it becomes clear that accumulation is a very slow process in a market significantly lacking liquidity in all aspects.

Whales will only buy up the market with confidence if they have a significant number of coins already, which should make sense. Currently we're back at the initial accumulation phase, and we don't know how long it will take.

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

I really think your reasoning is quite farfetched and quite impossible to happen, but hey. At least you gave us an actual explanation instead of posts like "bitcoin at $5k soon, trust me".

How do you even know that 4-6mil are "lost"? You can't prove that.

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

This post was not made to convince anyone that it will happend. It was made to show that even that never seen, unbelievable situation with bitcoin pump 200% in 1 day is possible. And even if it is possible than any other situation in smaller scale is possible too. Thats why we should alwais have in back of our heads that in trading nothing is cerain.

I really think your reasoning is quite farfetched and quite impossible to happen, but hey.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

I think in this moment read this topic it's only laugh.

It's hard to come to terms with the bitcoin price going up to $ 20000 tomorrow, while today it's $ 6300, if it's a month or more than a month, the bitcoin price could be as much as $ 20000 we want

Bitcoin at $20 000 tomorrow?This is absurd.Currently, bitcoin price is at $6500.There's no way that it can increase at $13500 within 24 hours.Even at end of this year it is impossible to reach that $20K margin.

It's hard to come to terms with the bitcoin price going up to $ 20000 tomorrow, while today it's $ 6300, if it's a month or more than a month, the bitcoin price could be as much as $ 20000 we want

I firmly believe that Bitcoin prices will hardly recover to $ 20000. The market is in a bear market in the long run, bitcoin prices have been falling continuously over the past few days and there are no signs of recovery, so it is very difficult for you to trade successfully. bitcoin and always have a concrete plan in the trade.

I do not think it should make you laugh. The post talks about a possible value of Bitcoin in future and it is entirely an economic question. I would say that it might not be possible for Bitcoin to cross or reach $20000 tomorrow or day after tomorrow but of course Bitcoin might cross the $20000 values towards the end of 2018. These predictions have attracted good investment into the market and as a result the price along with the stability has started rising.

No matter this extensive explanation this makes no sense to me. Yes, Bitcoin price can change very quickly and different factors can influence the price very harsh and quickly but such dramatic sudden change is not going to happen, at least not over night.
To my opinion Bitcoin will take some time to recover, maybe even a whole year or longer to achieve or exceed 20000$ peak.
But still it's nice to see your enthusiasm and optimism.

It can happen, but I dream a market where nobody can manipulate like this. But for now, I hope those whales help us :) (but I believe they're the ones who dump and create fud to buy things cheaper)

It's up to whales and major big holder company,if they choose to pump no matter regular trader try to dump they will increase the price or vice versa.so one would say no the price will dump more because of technical analysis but that not the case if they choose to pump or dump it ,your technical analysis will not work. And 20k is bit over expected ,I would say it will recover to 8-10 k if whale decided to.

In theory, it's totally possible but in practice, I think you're just dreaming. And IF it happens to be sure there are some people and media who will jump on to say it is confirmed there is a market manipulation with all kind of conspiracy theories.
The recent days are showing us all the weak hands who panic and sell their coins.

Its so sad. I didnt expect that this topic will show that most of users are here only to pump activity for bounty. All of you spam this topic without even reading whats inside of it.

It's hard to come to terms with the bitcoin price going up to $ 20000 tomorrow, while today it's $ 6300, if it's a month or more than a month, the bitcoin price could be as much as $ 20000 we want

Good historic reference, dude. But having someone to pose a whale like that is like waiting a single drop of water in hell (at least not waiting for the hell to freeze tho). Even if I was quadrillionaire, I wouldn't think of investing that much in Bitcoin or I might not even entertain its existence. I might get focused up in investing in stock markets instead, or I could invest in crypto if I was such a tech-savvy but that is a situational thing to assume.

Didn't happen though. But Yeah I also believe that it will in the future. Right now it needs a bigger than last year factor to move up again. This is a critical season as last year of the same period it was bearish.

I don't know why bitcoin price is down I think end of this month bitcoin price reach 9k$ and all crypto currency again high

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Bitcoin in 2018 will not be above 12K...

We can think like whales do, but we can`t act like they do. They make insane amounts, 10% from a million is a lot, 10% from 100 million is even more!


Nice reference, I like to play poker. If you played cash games then you know how what huge bankroll means, you have different strategies, you can bluff, make tricks and what ever cause you have money to do it, to risk. If you are playing with all money you have most likely you will lose it on cash games, sooner or later.


Get use to it! All topics are like that, if you wish meaningful conversation make a self-moderated thread!

Realistically, it will not happen tomorrow. However it will definitely reach above 20,000 by the end of this year.

This is most wanted expectation of bitcoin traders and investors.I had trading bitcoin more than a year.I use to buy the bitcoin at different price and dips.I will sell this entire holding ,when the price of bitcoin reaches 20,000$.Let see what will happen in bitcoin price.

In my observation base on the coin market cap and some other source of analysis came from different people speculation price reach value for this 2018 reach more than 20k usd before end of the year same as last year 2017 price reach almost 20k usd but in my own analysis 20k usd price not reachable in this year, look at the price fluctuation and the price are in six month old bitcoin stay in the lower price of course they have possible bitcoin to increase in the market but not too much like the expectation AT 20k usd.

Realistically, it will not happen tomorrow. However it will definitely reach above 20,000 by the end of this year.

Whales can't pump it to 20,000 alone, they'll start the ball rolling and then let the small fish push the price up. They'll also offer support whenever theres some downward pressure on the price. But 20k won't happen overnight.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

As subject line says tommorow itself it is not possible but we will find the bitcoin at this price before this year ends mate. I want to invest on the crypto currency for long term that time I always pick the bitcoin as the main source mate.
If you really wanna support crypto market make everyone have faith on bitcoin and it will go big in the market for sure with all our support.
I see some financial analyzer reported that bitcoin will be reached 60k USD in next year even I am expecting and hoping for the same.

In my observation base on the coin market cap and some other source of analysis came from different people speculation price reach value for this 2018 reach more than 20k usd before end of the year same as last year 2017 price reach almost 20k usd but in my own analysis 20k usd price not reachable in this year, look at the price fluctuation and the price are in six month old bitcoin stay in the lower price of course they have possible bitcoin to increase in the market but not too much like the expectation AT 20k usd.

Today we are positive but yesterday we were talking hopelessly as we know that yesterday the price was 6.4k dollar and today the price increased to 6.8k dollar so this is a good increase at this stage.

I think that your forecasts are too optimistic. Of course, I'll be glad if Bitcoin returns to the figures of 11,000 dollars, but only until the end of this year about more we can not even dream of.

I think that 12 000$ won't be so hard to reach. I hope BTC will reach it by the end of the july and BTC possible will be 20 000 at the end of the year.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

It should be understood that most of these billionaires don't invest because of hype or because some people speculate but rather because the see the prospect themselves. With the analysis above it will be hard (if there would be any) to see a single buyer investing to buy a million coins at once but rather it is easy to accumulate. BTC price will still rebound and pass the ATH of 2017 possibly before the end of 2018.

BTC price will still rebound and pass the ATH of 2017 possibly before the end of 2018.

I think that 12 000$ won't be so hard to reach. I hope BTC will reach it by the end of the july and BTC possible will be 20 000 at the end of the year.

Well the $20,000 is a bit more optimistic value and Bitcoin cannot jump so high in a night. We have been waiting till Bitcoin cross $10,000 and after crossing this limit, there are going to be some handsome price appreciations and it might reach $20,000 very soon. This is something that market demand determines and as far as the market is concerned, the demand is rising because people can own Bitcoin at a low level.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

This is a rediculous prediction. Bitcoins price will not grow that instant because it depends on the investors interest on the coin. We may realize the price to be back to $20k, but not instantly tomorrow.

I guess big investors are planning to come in heavily!

Interesting to read but I doubt that it it will happen. :o

Yes the whales have manipulated the market but I think now manipulation rate has been diluted because of many newbie investors and still they have the ability to manipulate but I don't think they are holding the most part of bitcoin so they just can initiate the transaction and the result will be panic selling by new investors.

the price movement of bitcoin will not forever have the same price increase as the year 2017 yesterday, because in this year the big players do a lot of price manipulation so that the market price movement tend to always decrease. in this year many whales take a role to drop the market price, they can deliberately easily play the market price. it may be until the end of this year bitcoin prices are not up to touch back at a price of $ 20k, but we all can not predict, hopefully this year there will be many surprises about the rise in bitcoin prices

f bitcoin reaches $ 20000 tomorrow then it is great for the investors they are going to make a profit, and the bitcoin market will really heat up with us as great as tomorrow's price. Its going to be 20000 dollars

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

Tytanowy Janusz you write interesting post, I see something like this few times on forum. Idea that some very rich person can come in market and invest billions in BTC is in any case possible, but I think that we not have such person in this moment - Buffet certainly is not one of these people since he is talking against BTC all time. Also problem may be in fact that most of rich people have their fortune in real estate, gold/silver , works of art and so on, so it is hard to expect they will change their opinion regarding BTC over night, especially because it is very risky asset.

But in any case I leave all options open when it comes to BTC, even such scenario is not easily achievable.

I have read a lot that the traditional financial institutions are willing to start with cryptocurrency trading desk and start offering cryptocurrencies. But there isn't much of a proof to that. But the recent report by Thomson Reuters which claims that over 53 traditional financial institutions are ready to bring in cryptocurrency in their system by October which means that the price will easily rise above $25k with traditional finance money jumping in after waiting on the sidelines.

For sure it may affect the price of all crypto currency especially the bitcoin price will increase more.
There are many prediction about the bitcoin price, the other said it can reach $50K or $60K but for me it's too high, I think before the end of the year maybe it will reach $20K.

5 months is a lot of time but it'll require a lot of demand before we would be able to reach a new high. This year I don't see it happening because of the whales manipulating the price. I'd say it's a miracle if we hit $15,000 with the way things are going the highest we'll probably see is somewhere $10,000~. Also I hope that we don't see the price go back up there for the second time because people will surely complain about the fees being too expensive.

With traditional financial institution banking on bitcoin. The grass is greener on the other side when cryptocurrency trading desk are offered. With that being said as Thomson Reuters claims, 53 traditional financial institutions are bringing cryptocurrency into their system. Hence, month october will surely be a wild ride for the Bull market in cryptocurrency. Stay tuned!

Many expert predict the price of BTC will going up to $50K in the end of this year , and i agree with this prediction because as we know the price possible to going up 10 times just in a few month. Although the price still in bearish trend but i think this is will be end soon, and will reversal going up again.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

With traditional financial institution banking on bitcoin. The grass is greener on the other side when cryptocurrency trading desk are offered. With that being said as Thomson Reuters claims, 53 traditional financial institutions are bringing cryptocurrency into their system. Hence, month october will surely be a wild ride for the Bull market in cryptocurrency. Stay tuned!

If one investor has enough money, he/she can increase the price to past 20000 dollars. But then the price will go down to 5000 in a matter of hours.

Interesting to read but I doubt that it it will happen. :o

Yes the whales have manipulated the market but I think now manipulation rate has been diluted because of many newbie investors and still they have the ability to manipulate but I don't think they are holding the most part of bitcoin so they just can initiate the transaction and the result will be panic selling by new investors.

yeah bitcoin can 20K reach soon, but need time, i predict next year mid, BTC passed 20K or more

This month really unpredictable in crypto market because Bitcoin is still maintain a same level so many experts also confused to predict the future possibilities of Bitcoin. I think this will maintain a 7k USD to 8k USD is possible but 9k USD is impossible in this month may be some good are comes in next week this grow again otherwise it will fluctuate in same level.

It will not be possible. bitcoin will return value 20k, but it takes time to restore confidence from investors. If it's a long-term investment, it's going to be easier, but with many investors seeing the bitcoin value as a whole, they are already hurt by the psychology and the big swings. wait and be patient ... bitcoin will be safe in the long run.

It will really take some time before investors could go back to the ecosystem. Not with all the regulations and the FUD and government banning.

Im afraid bitcoin will be unable to recover to 20k dollars that quickly because of some recent hacks that has stolen millions worth of crypto currencies like in bithumb and a korean exchanges. But this maybe just a smoke screen and intentionally made up by a consensus of whales trying to bring down the price. But the bright side is more investment firms are showing interest in bitcoin like alibaba and some whales in wall street.

In a market like today, I believe that bitcoin will not be able to rebound to the $ 20000 mark as at the end of 2017, you can see that the market has been fluctuating continuously over the past few days and It is difficult to predict, bitcoin prices are constantly decreasing and there are no signs of recovery, so at this point you should only trade short term in order to minimize risk. The bitcoin price is likely to reach $ 2000 by the end of 2018.

Unless whales pump btc (or cease to dump it if they're dumping the price), it won't go up until mid/end of 2019.

in my opinion i think bitcoin price could reach $20,000 by december 2018. old market cycle end next few months and new cycle start soon.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

It will not be possible. bitcoin will return value 20k, but it takes time to restore confidence from investors. If it's a long-term investment, it's going to be easier, but with many investors seeing the bitcoin value as a whole, they are already hurt by the psychology and the big swings. wait and be patient ... bitcoin will be safe in the long run.

For sure it is able to affect the fee of all crypto currency particularly the bitcoin rate will boom extra.
there are many prediction about the bitcoin charge, the opposite stated it could attain $50K or $60K but for me it's too high, I suppose before the quit of the yr maybe it's going to attain $20K.

It will really take some time before investors could go back to the ecosystem. Not with all the regulations and the FUD and government banning. We need something concrete that will restore their confidence and says that bitcoin is still a good investment. Its really hard to imagine going from $19K to $6K but who knows, maybe next month we will hear something good that will change the attitude of our investors and suddenly pour their cash on the market.

This was posted for a week now but still the bitcoins haven't been at least the half of the 20k that you are saying. I want for the bitcoins to be in that place but of course I am just being realistic that the bitcoins will not be in 20k even in the end of the month. But still I am hoping that the bitcoins will be 20k before the year ends because I think a lot of people are hoping that to happen. It is just hard for the bitcoins to be in that place that quick they judt cannot because it takes a lot of people to have that price and unity cannot take place without an agenda.

Well, I guess it would be difficult for bitcoin to hit that high value of $20k. The market is in a bad situation right now and it keeps on dropping almost everyday. Maybe around $10K value increase but a $20K is really quite surprising as of the moment. Remember bitcoin will not increase with just a snap of your finger, you have to wait and be patient.

I agree with you something such as whales pump btc but beside something element enviroment, polites, economy, law...

It will really take some time before investors could go back to the ecosystem. Not with all the regulations and the FUD and government banning. We need something concrete that will restore their confidence and says that bitcoin is still a good investment. Its really hard to imagine going from $19K to $6K but who knows, maybe next month we will hear something good that will change the attitude of our investors and suddenly pour their cash on the market.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

Whales can't pump it to 20,000 alone, they'll start the ball rolling and then let the small fish push the price up. They'll also offer support whenever theres some downward pressure on the price. But 20k won't happen overnight.

Not everything is possible as there are somethings that are not actually realistic. No one should deceive themselves as this can only happen in a case where the trading volume is probably just $100.

We are talking about a huge capitalization here and even though it may not be that huge compared to when institutions want to kick, but obviously institutions always look forward to buying at dips and not just buying everything at once all the way squashing the sell walls. Moreover, market will always have a way of playing out and that includes several moves to try to break resistance or hold at a particular support.

In my opinion BTC easy to go to $20k but not tomorrow could be in a few month, since 2011 the price of BTC is very high volatility, its been going up 10 to 30 times in just a few month but also the price hasbeen going down more than 70% . So BTC in the long term also possible to going up again to $20k even to $100k in next few year.

Well, I guess it would be difficult for bitcoin to hit that high value of $20k. The market is in a bad situation right now and it keeps on dropping almost everyday. Maybe around $10K value increase but a $20K is really quite surprising as of the moment. Remember bitcoin will not increase with just a snap of your finger, you have to wait and be patient.

Bitcoin to 200,000  ;D ;D lol, pure speculation no real support at the moment. I dont want to sound fudding or what but if we're basing about bitcoin current state with little adaptation I doubt that we can hit 20,000 this YEAR, bitcoin need this pull backs and regulations before going massive!

Read the title and on reading up the article, I realized that this is more of a pipe dream than the usual speculations we have been seeing since this whole bitcoin crash started. We should hope that BTC at least gets back to $10k by the end of this year. Currently it's below $6k and keeps downing hopelessly.

It may take several months for BTC to restore such prices, but I think they will not be able to achieve this. The price is quite high and surpasses the expectations of many.

It may take several months for BTC to restore such prices, but I think they will not be able to achieve this. The price is quite high and surpasses the expectations of many.

For sure it is able to affect the fee of all crypto currency particularly the bitcoin rate will boom extra.
there are many prediction about the bitcoin charge, the opposite stated it could attain $50K or $60K but for me it's too high, I suppose before the quit of the yr maybe it's going to attain $20K.

Im afraid bitcoin will be unable to recover to 20k dollars that quickly because of some recent hacks that has stolen millions worth of crypto currencies like in bithumb and a korean exchanges. But this maybe just a smoke screen and intentionally made up by a consensus of whales trying to bring down the price. But the bright side is more investment firms are showing interest in bitcoin like alibaba and some whales in wall street.

no no impossible task.  bitcoin price today $6300.. how can it be possible. approximately bitcoin price will increase about $6500 tomorrow.

Not everything is possible as there are somethings that are not actually realistic. No one should deceive themselves as this can only happen in a case where the trading volume is probably just $100.

We are talking about a huge capitalization here and even though it may not be that huge compared to when institutions want to kick, but obviously institutions always look forward to buying at dips and not just buying everything at once all the way squashing the sell walls. Moreover, market will always have a way of playing out and that includes several moves to try to break resistance or hold at a particular support.

Are you seriously?no its not possible .Bitcoin price 20000$ in tomorrow? i can,t believe this.but end of the year bitcoin price pumping. 

If I find it too difficult to happen such a value. But it is not impossible to achieve such a price. The Cryptocurrancy market is constantly changing. No one can give you a prize price anymore. By the end of this year, the value of Bitcoin reaches the highest position. But did not last for a longer time. This creates a short impact on the market, but then everything returns to normal.

It will not be possible. bitcoin will return value 20k, but it takes time to restore confidence from investors. If it's a long-term investment, it's going to be easier, but with many investors seeing the bitcoin value as a whole, they are already hurt by the psychology and the big swings. wait and be patient ... bitcoin will be safe in the long run.

No doubt the value may go high very soon because the market factors when go in right direction then it will improve the value.

I don't know whether Bitcoin will ever touch 5-digit mark again. There is a lot of negativity in the market and baring a few, most of the governments have taken a very hostile approach to Bitcoins and the other cryptos.

This is a very optimistic view of things, but most likely we will not see such figures for a long time. Maybe in a year and a half. Or even in two years we will be able to watch again how bitcoin crosses the level of 20,000.

It seems that the BTC is returning its positions, but we should not place great hopes on it. It is possible to kill everything, even bitcoin. Fortunately, it has already experienced many unpleasant moments and became very reliable. Probably, the next test bitcoin will have to go through during the next financial crisis. In the meantime, no need to worry much.

It will take long time to reach to $20k again not tomorrow. Now the price is on the track and there is no big pump and dump in the price. Now it is normal and the previous big pump had been corrected. I think if the price increases by this ratio it will take 2 to 3 years to reach to $20k. we should be optimistic about the bright and good future of bitcoin.

In theory, it's totally possible but in practice, I think you're just dreaming. And IF it happens to be sure there are some people and media who will jump on to say it is confirmed there is a market manipulation with all kind of conspiracy theories.
The recent days are showing us all the weak hands who panic and sell their coins.

No way, which is why I laugh a lot at those who just feel they will wake up one morning and see bitcoin set at $20k. That is not done anywhere as no market works that way and most especially an established market with a huge volume. Just very few investors who are inexperienced from the start will be hurt by the downward movement of bitcoin as it is, as most smart ones will be taking the advantage of buying the dips anyway.

That might happen only in months not tomorrow itself. Bitcoin may hit $100k levels too in coming months but we need to bear what is happening right now with this market and cannot dream about those high levels to happen tomorrow itself.

Yes, it's like really hard to makes the bitcoin price back to 5digit again. Everytime the bitcoin price start increase, something bad happened, like right now, bancor exchange hacked today and it makes the crypto market goes red again.

but it is possible for bitcoin price to go to that price because, in the cryptocurrency, we don't know what will happen in the next hours. sometimes the price is up and in the other time, the price is down. I hope that the price is not down too far and reach $5k and only increase and back to the highest price. at least, the price can stay at the $10k and stable in that level of the price. and if this is happening, then I think the altcoin will adjust their price too and we can make a good selling the coins and we can make a good profit.

If I find it too difficult to happen such a value. But it is not impossible to achieve such a price. The Cryptocurrancy market is constantly changing. No one can give you a prize price anymore. By the end of this year, the value of Bitcoin reaches the highest position. But did not last for a longer time. This creates a short impact on the market, but then everything returns to normal.

in my opinion i think bitcoin price could reach $20,000 by december 2018. old market cycle end next few months and new cycle start soon.

Its not troll topic. Its math speculation and opening to bigger discussion.

Now let me explain this nonsense from topic:

Currently we have 17 mil bitcoins according to statistics 4-6mil are already lost(forgotten pasword, burned during wrong transfers etc). That gives us 11 mil of bitcoins. Few mils are stuck on wallets where they have to be (for example mt gox wallet), on longtime hodlers etc. Lets say that we have 8 mil of bitcoins that can be possibly dump.

Now imagine that 1 whale came to the market tommorow and set buy order on 20k with 2 mil coins (500k to eat walls and 1500k to show that you are not the gay that others want to mess with :) :)) - 40 bil offer.  Is it possible? - Warren Buffet has 80 bil $. Most of them are locked in investition but its only example :)
How many of those 8 mil would be dumped in this situation? How many fomo investors will jump in? I think that those 1.5 mil coins wont be eaten (many investors seeing that big wall wont sell). Some of traders will move their offers obove that huge wall to be able to trade at all. What if he would do this pump after first good news (redtube supports bitcoin  :) :-* ). Society will make dozens of video and posts on forums that this caused bitcoin to moon.

Why would he do that?
Imagine he already have 1 mil coin bough from 5-5000$ (this makes 7 mil not 8 possible to dump). Selling them now will caus huge dump. After this huge pump he would be able to dump everything on higher prices.

Shittalk and noone would do that?
This scenario happend in smaller scale 12 april 2018 when we had pump from 6900 to 8000 in 30 min. Someone just came to the market and said :"From today we trade at levels 8k+. If anyone disagree you are out of trading for next months". Some of traders and holders disagree and tries to dump their coins on him (thats why second candle after this pump was short with high volume).

Im not talking that this will happen tommorow. I post this math speculation to show you guys that in trading world nothing is ceraint. Even best analysis wont predict you from whales that can change market dramatically.
Good aspect of this is that its imposible to do that in south direction. Because if someone would use his few mil bitcoins to dump to 1$ there will be whales who would buy his few mil cos for few mil $ and stop this.

We have supports, resistances, trendlines, RSI but they have money. We should start to think like a whale. Thinking where he is trying to trick us. Where he is prepering for big moves etc. Alwais after any analysis try to think beafore transaction "isnt it a whale who is trying to push me into this trade by showing buy oportunity?"

What are you talking about? Bitcoin $20000 tomorrow. I think you are dreaming and when you wake up the facts will be different and you will be surprise what the dream was that. If your dream comes true I will sell everything for buying bitcoin today, but be realistic my friend and don’t arrow in the air.it will never happen, no more pumps in the price.

in my opinion i think bitcoin price could reach $20,000 by december 2018. old market cycle end next few months and new cycle start soon.

Yes I feel there will be a surprise for us in the month of December but this year the market situation is different than what it was last year. But still let's hope for the best.

Everything in bitcoin is a surprises that will come in an unexpected situations. That's possible when we wake up not wondering what will happen next, bitcoin will have to be at that profitable value. With that it provides us a good opportunity to gain more valuable price in the holdings that we had. Always expect more good news with bitcoin and stay calm no matter what the outcome will be.

I think it cannot happen to reach $20k this year since price are unpredictable on bitcoin. Manipulation do exists so I think it cannot reach instant this year. It takes time for bitcoin to reach all time high.

of course I also expect things like that. hope with very high bitcoin prices in the future, is the thing we have been waiting for. well, the end of the year will bring new hope, hopefully the price can approach the price of $ 20,000 for this year.

I think that might happen and maybe at the end of this year it could be very expensive at more than $ 20k because the demand for bitcoin this year is getting higher so I am very confident that prices can be more expensive than $ 20k.

it may happen but it takes a short time because the selling price in various positions is very high which makes the price very difficult to be able to increase prices, there must be a lot of money first to be able to buy bitcoin and make the price of bitcoin back become very expensive.

No this cannot happen overnight.Bitcoin's demand and price both are very down and from a very long time.Bitcoin's users and investors are suffering from losses due to the downfall of the price of bitcoin.Investors are pulling their money out of bitcoin because the prices are not increasing.

The current market is not stable so price will be fluctuating this month also so we don't predict when it will going to peak or basket. I think end of the year some good reasonable value is possible so 15k to 20k USD is sure. But all are trying to increase the old thread so spam posts only increase in the forum not a Bitcoin price.

in my opinion i think bitcoin price could reach $20,000 by december 2018. old market cycle end next few months and new cycle start soon.

It can't be if the ETF approved?

No this cannot happen overnight.Bitcoin's demand and price both are very down and from a very long time.Bitcoin's users and investors are suffering from losses due to the downfall of the price of bitcoin.Investors are pulling their money out of bitcoin because the prices are not increasing.Bitcoin is in a difficult situation because anything can happen right now.It can also vanish from the market or it can do with the market.It is a very vulnerable situation.

I think, the current price of bitcoin is still far from the price at the end of 2017, but bitcoin has the potential to reach that price again because bitcoin prices are difficult to predict and anything can happen

If tomorrow will be the day 1 year ago, then expect bitcoin to reach 20,000$ this coming December. But since we don't know what's the future of bitcoin lies ahead this coming December, then the chances of reaching is on a 50%-50% chance.

You too trust people who say the price of bitcoin will bounce high at the end of the year. You can see for yourself that the price of bitcoin is currently unstable and even tends to fall.

The current market is not stable so price will be fluctuating this month also so we don't predict when it will going to peak or basket. I think end of the year some good reasonable value is possible so 15k to 20k USD is sure.

 

Everything is uncertain, bitcoin prices can be higher than $ 15.000 but can also be lower than $ 12.000. But we must believe in the popularity of bitcoin which continues to increase rapidly. Starting from the party that uses, accepts as a paid tool, and the most amazing's the value of bitcoin itself. Now, the decline in the value of bitcoin's not a problem to worry about surely it will rise again.

You too trust people who say the price of bitcoin will bounce high at the end of the year. You can see for yourself that the price of bitcoin is currently unstable and even tends to fall.

2018 is a bad year for the development of bitcoin and other large cryptocurrencies, this happens because of the many problems that continue to hit the market. And in 2019 hopefully, it will be the beginning of the rise of bitcoin.

For me that won't happen in this year and we will need to wait for that unfortunately till 2019, but there are some possitives connected to that like we have some months more to invest in bitcoin when its price is  still very low  ;D

in my opinion i think bitcoin price could reach $20,000 by december 2018. old market cycle end next few months and new cycle start soon.

I don't want to say that i am just dreaming but that's really the reality thinking that bitcoin will have a 20,000$ value tomorrow. In fact, bitcoin has struggled so much this year that it stayed below the 50% of its market price for almost 10 months now.

in my opinion i think bitcoin price could reach $20,000 by december 2018. old market cycle end next few months and new cycle start soon.

in my opinion i think bitcoin price could reach $20,000 by december 2018. old market cycle end next few months and new cycle start soon.

I don't want to say that i am just dreaming but that's really the reality thinking that bitcoin will have a 20,000$ value tomorrow. In fact, bitcoin has struggled so much this year that it stayed below the 50% of its market price for almost 10 months now.