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Here's his thread - pretty nasty piece of work and he's going to walk away with a pretty heft amount of peoples coins.

His thread is moderated, as soon as people ask for refunds or make any kind of complaint or raise any suspicion, the post is deleted almost immediately.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424621.0

This guy needs a scammer tag fast.

Too late -looks like he's locked his thread now - about 5 minutes after I raised the scam accusation

That's pretty shitty, I warned the moderators about this muppet and he was allowed to just carry on - now he is deleting over 15 pages of posts from his thread.

Have you left appropriate Trust?

I didn't give this wanker any coins, I know better. But a lot of people have and it was a blatant scam that was simply allowed to happen - even though people were warning the moderators about him.

They won't do much, it's the individuals job to protect themselves. Post proof and he will get flagged.

Read through that thread, shady as hell. He even quoted people, changed what they asked, answered it, then deleted their original posts. I'm convinced this is a scam, and have left the appropriate trust on his profile.

I have no proof as I didn't give him anything - no doubt a few people will be along here soon to post their grievances...

Guys, simple put we cannot hold your hands through everything, you need to use your own brain now-and-again.
We have a trust system that is used for exactly this, so please, start using the trust system more (no-one can delete trust ratings apart from the person who sent it).

Edit*: I just saw he deleted every single page on his thread so I have put in a request to hopefully restore the posts. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424621.0)

I lost 1.1 btc to AvalonShenzhen, there are others who lost 11 btc or more, I'm saying it not to make myself feel better but to raise the issue of how to stop this from happening in the future.

Why was he allowed to create a moderated thread? This is a big problem as I DID see a post by nottm28 but AvalonShenzhen deleted it almost immediately.

Why was he allowed to keep a moderated thread after others have raised warnings? The groupbuy thread should have been downgraded so he can't delete, modify, move or other typical scammer behavior to cover his butt and keep his lie going. If you CAN'T downgrade a self-moderated thread, then no one should be allowed to have such threads.

I was told, after the fact, that I should've looked into the Scam Accusation sub-forum. I did but there was no mention of AvalonShenzhen. I learned that people like nottm28 warned the moderator(s) here but they didn't do anything. Something is wrong, the system doesn't work as intended.

I was told, after the fact, that I and others should have used the Trust rating. In that case, no one with 0 trust should have been allowed to create a self-moderated thread, at the least.

This forum almost acts if it was made and works for scammers. Why point fingers at victims? It's ass-backward. It is similar to saying to the rape victims "Do not wear clothes that entice men." As long as this kind of attitude exists among the moderators, this forum will be a magnet to scammers like AvalonShenzhen.

I was the last one to send 1.1 btc two hours ago.

:(

I just re-read my post above and realized that I was being too harsh towards the moderators. I bear no ill feelings, maybe except to scammers. I believe the moderatos have a hard task. I think it's time to put in a more effective way to stop these scammers. I read somewhere that up to 75% of the groupbuys is scam. I think the numbers are a bit high but even if it's only 1%, it's still too high.

If people cared more, we can build a better system and better future for the buyers and sellers here on the forum. It will be good for bitcoins and adopters as well. But, I fear there's no will among us. We all know this episode will soon be forgotten. New suckers are born every minute, eh?

Yes, I saw your post, just below my post about trying to get refund back to my wallet.

I am truly sorry as I know how you must be feeling. It's just awful. I have now been scammed twice in my whole life. I still count myself lucky. I hope you will find it in your heart to forgive in the future. I won't let the scammer do more damage to me. I will forgive him and let karma work its magic as it always does.

James

For me this is the first time ever. I dont want "AvalonShenzen" to die or something similar, but I do feel like an idiot.

I saw your post about your refund, and that was a red alert for me, but AvalonShenzen answered to your post and I thought that he will return your btc, so I sent my btc.  

Now I know he was just buying time to take my money.
 

All of the BTC is still at the addy they posted


https://blockchain.info/address/1Mzyo7PYfsxNLyNWhnznUYfiX1Kf6LFqkh

except this output of 1.1


1def3a7e3010499ad46dce588bf56eacf2c0750cbb8d1badb8183aa536245a7d 2014-02-12 11:57:32

1Mzyo7PYfsxNLyNWhnznUYfiX1Kf6LFqkh

1EWcdENHBHQwKfbVRm8kSnmq4hjoEYmYJD  0.8499 BTC

18UKDvd1Ckq6e2tDTgAxpzVwFWzmWF5sdt    0.25 BTC

https://blockchain.info/tx/1def3a7e3010499ad46dce588bf56eacf2c0750cbb8d1badb8183aa536245a7d

New account with a group buy? Sure, why not!

Wasn't he taking PayPal?

He had a batch 1 which he said he took PayPal for. There was 5 names of buyers. 3 were newbies that either had a join date of January 22 or 23rd. The other two were not even members of the forum. 2 of the newbies would post that they received their miners within 2 or 3 days of the batch 1 closing. When I asked about all this my post was deleted then when I asked for anybody to post a picture of a running miner again my post was deleted. So the batch 1 GB was all fake as was the PayPal that they had paid with.  I also posted about the batch 2 people which not one of them posted a thing on the GB thread. This GB stunk from the start and had so many red flags that it's sad.

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Would someone besides a newbie post pictures of the insides of their boxes?

Sorry but no pictures besides vendor....very odd for such a thread

Thank you

More than that... Batch 1   Had 5 buyers.. Which 3 are newbies all with join dates of the 22nd or 23rd and other 2 I can not find. Then batch 2 search their names... Can not find any of them and there is no post by any of them. Batch one buyer act like they got their miner in hand within 3 days and batch two just got tracking numbers emailed to them but not one of them posted a thing? Batch 3 are the suckers that will loose their BTC. I say this is more than just "very odd"



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Hello Aurel,

Sorry but I deleted your post.

I cannot accept that your first post in the group buy is to say that we are scaming.
You didn't buy something from us and you didn't not have any personnal experience with us except the info that I gave you....

I'm tired of all these kind of messages without any proof

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Hello,

The goal of you post was only to make people thinking it is a scam.

It is not.

At the beginning, we received orderd directly on our email and we didn't ask their nickname on the forum. This why we put names and not nickname.

From the batch 3, we are asking to people who ordered to also confirm their order on the forum to have their nickname and avoid this issue.

If you were just asking the question, I would have answer you but no, it is more easy to try to ruin a group buy by doing insinuations...

If people don't receive their batch 2 or 3, in this case you can say it is a scam, but it is not the case and it won't!

Regards,

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Waiting for someone to post pictures of a running miner here before I order.

Got scammed as well, lost 1.1 btc.. Have to apologize to nottm28, was thinking he saw everybody as a scammer... Now I know better...

Not too happy with the moderation though..

well, wishing death people does bad karma even if they deserve it,
but i would grant him/her/them some nasty, nonlethal sdt's

well, wishing death people does bad karma even if they deserve it,
but i would grant any scammer some nasty (nonlethal) std's

I'll take the apology Maxximus007, but I have still have my doubts about you to be quite blunt...

I was taken for 5 units...

Here is a list of users on his batch 1-2 that are all linked to him:

NicolaeTT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=227257
AlfonsoD https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=226216
joehash https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=227233
Jicoli **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
Bitdreamer **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
Jeronico **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
Andrew **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
Krzyszt **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
MariusC **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
Reuan **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
Mathew **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
Sabine **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
William **NOT A MEMBER OF THE FORUM**
AndreyK https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21373 NOT LINKED TO THE SCAM DUE TO THE CREATION DATE

We need to get the top 3 user names labeled as scammers in case he tried to do the same thing with them at a later date.

The answer, as a mod here already pointed out, is to use the various tools at your disposal, including your head. This is a good place to start (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.0). No amount of "system building" will make up for people's unwillingness to think and learn, rather you'll progressively give up various freedoms to whoever's tasked with thinking for you until you have none. This is Bitcoin, and that sort of system doesn't belong here.

That is bs talk, because decieving has nothing to do with "people's unwillingles to think".

How do you process wrong inputs? If inputs are corrupted, output will be too.

85 btc in a few hours - power of the Dumb Side.

I'm fucking sick of hearing people say use your brian, etc.

This forum has to answer for being part of people getting ripped off on a daily basis.  You have created an environment where the thieves get protection...plain and simple.

Something is going to be done about this.


WTF good does it do to flag them?  They just create new accounts and go on as if nothing ever happened.  Flagging them is a fucking waste of time.

go fuck yourself asshole.

Why would this forum be responsible for your carelessness? How is this, in any way, anyone's fault but your own?

Done. What now?

again as predicted. did the neg trust not even make it any obvious to you guys? or did u just think im a troll?
maybe a better question is to ask if you guys even checked his trust feedback.

We have a winner! I watch as people blindly send funds to persons that are iffy at best and many even have negative Trust. What can you do?

Cigarette?


I saw your posts ahmed, pity they were deleted so quick. Never ceases to amaze me how this same perpetual gang of scammers can operate so easily on here. But when you see it's so easy to steal 80 BTC or about $50k, no wonder some sad b*startds think why should I get a job?

i know. and i definitly agree with you. thats why im so wary about buying anything from anyone on here without escrow. when he refused both that and paypal alarm bells started ringing. and then the real blow came when he deleted both and mine and barwizi's posts.

Here's what you guys need to do (I don't know if Irish law deviates from other legal frameworks):

1. Find a lawyer who is tech-saavy (a lawyer specializing in Technology).
2. Call lawyer, inform the lawyer of information that can be made available (his Safe-Mail e-mail address is a good start here)
3. Ensure you have proof that a contract of some sort was breached (his PMs and his thread ought to suffice).
4. Provide this to information to the lawyer

@ this point the lawyer should be able to elaborate on the next steps which would be:
5. Police report
6. Culminate all information into a court order/subpoena - issue this to SafeMail requesting every IP address associated with this account.

It is VERY likely that he is using Tor/VPN, but also very likely that he slipped up somewhere.
Do some digging in the IP trail; find one that doesn't bring you to a VPN / Tor node.

Use aforementioned information to subpoena/court order this ISP.  Get account holder name.

At this point -> local PD.

Account holder will probably deny involvement.
This is where your lawyer / PI will help you.

Cost for subpoenas are about $0 - $10.
Information to issue one could be between $0-$1,000.

Total process could be quite a bit, depending on how involved your lawyer is.

THE POINT here is that if your lawyer thinks he can track this person down and reclaim some money, he will do it because it's possible and it's in his/her best interest.

I am pursuing a Law Degree in Technology, but this information is purely from an amateur perspective.

You can find this guy because I guarantee that at some point in his quest, he fucked up.  
Unfortunately Bitcointalk isn't of help.  I bet those alt-accounts of his possess more information than AvalonShenzhen would like.  

Now nothing douchebag.  You are a senior member of this forum and to post something as smug and arrogant as that makes you a fucking asshole. And as for whatever else this bullshit is that you aren't coming out and saying allow me to just point out a few things...

I'm not some skell trolling the forum for a way to burn people...I'm 40+ yrs old with a family and a job in real life.
I met someone who is on this forum in person and handed them a nice chunk of change for a piece of hardware.  There was no bullshit...no story...no drama & no problems.  He handed me the hardware and I handed him an envelope full of money.

I came to this forum because it seemed to be the best place to learn and get involved in this grand experiment but the more time I spend here the more I see what the true purpose of this place is.  TO RIP PEOPLE OFF.

The forum is complicate in every one of these scams.  They do nothing about it and then those of us who lose our hard earned cash get told as a bonus that we fucking deserved it.
 

I don't beat around the bush. If i have something to say, I say it. So I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, however I am glad that simple comment got you so heated. Perhaps you will learn the third time. Either way, getting this irate at people that actually tried to help those who were scammed out is just plain ridiculous. you're clearly not in a proper state of mind. I hope you take some time to cool off.

EDIT: perhaps you missed my negative trust rating of him?
"Member operating a group buy on a moderated thread, deleting any questions or comments about the legitimacy of it. No units received thus far. Every move screams scammer so far. Will remove my rating when a reputable member provides proof of delivery. Forums members should exercise EXTREME caution when purchasing from this group buy."

The negative trust rating was after he robbed everyone...not terribly useful.
He def. did not have that when I dove in.

Bottom right 'report to moderator' - I did this with his thread a few times - he was allowed to carry on for over a week. The forum could do more IMO - like 'read' the 'report to moderator' messages.

[edit] I never lost money here - but I see a pattern of abuse over the last year that is simply going unaddressed.

unless everyone opened these threads after mine. i dont believe it was. i posted my neg rep about 4 days ago.

There were actually 3 or 4 on there for a few days prior to mine. I posted it as soon as i found out about it though. The problem was that only those with default trust or green trust ratings can leave an automatic red negative feedback. If you're looking at someone's profile and don't see any feedback, click their trust link, and then click untrusted feedback to double check in the future. It's a way of keeping the trust system in some sort of order.

Your right safe-mail will have his real ip when first sign up, after that they can change settings.
But his real name is not possible, unless the IPS is willing to give that. Maybe ask someone in Israel?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424621.0

It shows nothing about "trust" at all, perfect for the bitscam.

You are mistaken. That's after the user moved it to the archival section (where it is now). Trust only shows in the marketplace, if i remember correctly. However, you can always access it from the user's profile.

 Your right safe-mail will have his real ip when first sign up, after that they can change settings.
But his real name is not possible, unless the IPS is willing to give that. Maybe ask someone in Israel?
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I emailed safe-mail to see if they would help.  I have more faith that I will be struck by lightning in between finishing typing this email and clicking Post than I do in them helping here.

OK but when I last saw it (the 1st post) trust was at 0/0, I was in group 3. Then I get PM all my posts deleted.

I emailed safe-mail to see if they would help.  I have more faith that I will be struck by lightning in between finishing typing this email and clicking Post than I do in them helping here.
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Don't matter it's on the blockchain.

Click into the user's profile and then click untrusted feedback to confirm in the future.

What was odd to me was his English was wayy too perfect to come from Shenzen.
Was using some very hard words in perfect spelling. Specially in later comments and updates. Not possible from someone operating from 10-20ppl sweatshop in Shenzen.

I almost ordered from them... tried to order with Paypal but oddly the paypal orders sold out instant.. i offered to pay Premium with Paypal, no deal for obvious reasons.... I also had some PM messages with AlfonsoD + AvalonShenzen ... now i see they were the same person.

They ramped up this scam for few weeks. AlfonsoD was posting all around claiming to have 15btc in hand for best deal.

Really Complex scam... made up kinda good and last push to lower the price before weekend and alter the Stock qty + last change push Shipping to Monday 17th to take out every last BTC.
They really ride with BTMine name, shame.

I doubt these guys have papertrail. Maybe Perfect scam this time.

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The orders are opened!

Got 5 units.
Will give you feedback when received

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Hello,

Thank you for your interest.

We are sorry but our 10 first miners are already sold out.

We did it for the 10 first miners to build our reputation but we cannot continue with paypal as our marge is very low now on that price. Next to that, Paypal is also freezing very quickly paypal account related to Bitcoin.

We are very sorry but we don't earn money when we sell with paypal so we cannot do more for the moment.
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Hi mcleo,

can you do that? and take 15% of those 84btc-s.

i do not know how to do that. but you looks like someone who knows what he is doing. do your magic, and for your job take 15% of those coins.

i personally have 2btc there, but i think that everyone will give 15% of their invested btc.


can you do it? that will be around 10 btc for you, and that is around 5-6k $. for some work.

I would definately be in for that just lost 1/3 of my BTC in this scam

well i used my entire savings on 2 units 2.20 Bitcoins, i was going too try to use the machines to mine coin to pay for my medical condition to try to get myself fixed in the United States....i baught the coins just a couple of days ago at 660$...im just gonna take a long walk and think about what to do now...all i can do is cry really...yeah i know bohoo for me i was warned etc...but im new to all this, i didnt have annyone to help me, i tryed everything raising money to my condition before i decided to take a risk, well i never was one to have all the luck.

Im posting this to you too see AvalonShenzhen

maybee you have a heart, maybe you care and read this i dont know, but im gonna post my bitcoin adress and maybee just maybe you can refund me if you have much of a soul left...1HgQAzDwb8d9jSRwkkWu1nQiSEXUGPT3ii

I understand even why its appealing running a scam like this, but please another time think a little, and i will do the same.....By doing this you have set in motion a chain of events you just couldnt possible forseen....

Maybe you should ?
Obvious scams should be deleted.
They are on every other forum on the internet.

wait for next Antminer S1 group buy, get some of these and resell on eBay
you should be able to recoup your losses in 1-2 months. so will i try to

but dont loose your faith in bitcoin and miners
here are lots of black sheep but the fluffy white ones too!

An unpaid moderator on an online forums should be responsible for how irresponsibly you spend your money? Do you guys even read what you write?

If you are from the US contact the FBI with all the details of the theft $50K theft is enough to get there attention.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber


Other US cyber crime LE


https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/


http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/


http://www.ice.gov/cyber-crimes/


http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx


Feel free to add details for you're region.


Follow the money here > https://blockchain.info/address/e659a2b53fec5c8864213fe9af39b7aad6c0b825



return my stolen BTC 14rBip93ePwJMp3kiFgz2WJ424p3iUSpEG

Deleted for obvious purposes...dont want my personal life online...as this is all cleared up and understood.

I did NOT see any negative trust rating on AvalonShenzhen. Maybe it was buried somewhere but not open and accessible in the open, as it should be.

As I and others have said, this forum is tailor-made for scammers.

Please stop blaming the victims, you come across as someone so arrogant as if you will NEVER be scammed in your whole life.

If you have the time and energy to blame the victims, do something constructive instead, like improving the way self-moderated thread work so scammers don't take advantage, improving the negative trust rating so it's out and open so scammers and would-be scammers are exposed in the open, don't hide the negative rating.

Before you start accusing us vicitms, think to yourself "How would I feel if someone raped me?" Because that's how awful it is.

try to ask a friend if he can borrow you some money or better BTC
the "soho" miner market is shrinking but there is still cash to make

So you bet your entire existence on 2.2 BTC worth of mining kit? What kind of illness do you have to warrant such a gamble?

You're not thinking this through. Your way of doing the trust system would just enable massive + or - trust with no limitations. People could falsely inflate or deflate someone's trust in moments. The way it is setup now, to earn the green trust you have to have a positive enough trade or experience with a trusted member, and then you become slightly trusted yourself. There may be better alternatives, but your suggestion is not it.

You are saying we, as users, should change the way the site is coded? I am not sure how you expect that to happen. People like TomatoCage ,myself (to an extent), and others spend quite a lot of time investigating possible scams and warning users as appropriate here. 99% of the time it goes ignored. We do this with no compensation or even thanks most of the time, and instead are rewarded by comments like yours suggestions we are evil and responsible for your financial faux pa. Self responsibility seems to be a null concept nowadays.

I'm blunt, but honest. Don't misconstrue my lack of tact for callous arrogance. I do care.

Deleted for obvious purposes...dont want my personal life online...as this is all cleared up and understood.

Where do you go to that does stem cell treatments for so cheap (2.2 btc is < $1500)? A friend of mine has Multiple Sclerosis and she pays upwards of $15,000-$25,000 per treatment. I would love to be able to recommend to her a more affordable clinic.

I am English yes and you're right it's none of my business what ails you. If you want to send me a private message with proof of your illness and the stem cell treatment you are planning then I will consider a donation for your cause. After all I am English and we are the most giving and charitable  society on the planet. If I don't hear from you privately then I will be left with the feeling that you are in fact the scammer that caused this thread creation.

The BTC in the payment wallet has moved on.

Leaving fingerprints (Spoor)

From:
1Mzyo7PYfsxNLyNWhnznUYfiX1Kf6LFqkh

https://blockchain.info/address/e659a2b53fec5c8864213fe9af39b7aad6c0b825

To:
1HuXTzmxQUvarrbufx1CEitNskUMLG4mVM

https://blockchain.info/address/1HuXTzmxQUvarrbufx1CEitNskUMLG4mVM

as stated above yes i know that 2.2btc isnt enough for a treatment and yes i know its expensive, anny treatment option i have really is...i was going to invest the money and in 6 month period with planning and free help investing in some valuta trade options i had a plan , i dont really wanna post all my life public on this forum, i have sent the PM to the nottm28 explaining like he asked just to stop this from getting way out of line i dont want pitty i just want my bitcoins back or at least try...i dont want to discuss my condition or annything i just hoped when i wrote it that MAYBE just maybee avalon would maybe se it i dont know....and yes a complete treatment of Stem Cells or various treatment is in the 200 000$ dollar range...and NO i wasnt gonna raise all that in 6 month but i was gonna start....

Ok i have been in contact with nottm28, and explained as i will briefly here, i simply wrote about my conditon AS explained earlier in a desperate attempt to get AvalonShenzen to maybee give me my money back, it was simply that and only that. My story is as real as it gets, i sent PM to nottm28 explaining my story, and he wanted my personal info like passport etc. talk to my doctor to verify, that i just simply cannot do,and wouldnt be mutch help as we dont speak the same language. what i can do is send some doctor papers to my friend in Leeds like i explained to him and have him meet him etc, personally i think this is a bit drastic but i wont be called a liar either. BUT i dont wanted this to be about my condition or annything i simply explained my case.

This is a thread about we who have lost are bitcoins and i will post my suggestion as to us getting it back tomorrow on this thread just need to varify some minor details.

If annyone for anny reason wants to talk more about my case, PM me! so the thread can stay on topic.

I did get a message from serpiente12 and also a couple of other messages from his alts. Looks like this is the scammer gloating unfortunately.

from my alts? wtf i sent you my story and everything...what in f are you trying to achieve ? just look at the original thread somebody has screenshots or if the thread gets re opend my transaction is clearly stated and everything....

the thaughts spinning through my head right now...after all that.... i told you , just because i wouldnt give a stranger my fxxxing passport id, person name and adress and my stem cell info for the place in going to go wich again would have led to you knowing my name and easily everything else of info etc.....im wondering if you actually believe im a scammer or if you saying it to throw people of or maybee i pissed you off by standing up to your 1 way bullshit....all i know is im not a scammer....and it remains to be seen aswell, im certanly not going annywhere ...

Those of you following the money are doing two things:
1) Trying to dissuade members of tracking this guy by purposefully directing them to useless evidence.
2) Just not aware of how to legally apprehend fraudsters.

I am going to assume the latter.

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If you start tracking tumbled funds, you're heading down a long and endless road.
Focus on the tangible evidence here.

His IP addresses at Safe-Mail.  Safe-Mail will not give you the IP addresses if you ask.  Guarantee it.
You need a subpoena.  I haven't looked into where Safe-Mail is located, but a court-order or subpoena would force them to reveal all IP addresses/information you need.

This includes all e-mails, contact lists, IP addresses of where he logged in, etc, etc.
THIS is what you need.

Not Bitcoin addresses.
The bitcoins, for all intents and purposes are gone.

I have a full course load, otherwise I would happily take this one on pro-bono. 

To be dead honest, this would not even be a difficult case to pursue and win; the only thing a case like this would take is time (because of the internationality).

You have clear-cut fraud.  If you tie one of those shill accounts to the primary account, you have fraud in every single jurisdiction on Earth.
Theymos has been known to provide IP addresses to some members here.

If someone can confirm the IP address of a shill & his primary, we actual evidence (you don't need an IP address from Theymos, he likely won't release it, just proof that two accounts (buyer/seller) were the same person).

Again, just an amateur here, do not take this as professional counsel.

I didn't get scammed by this guy, but I was screwed in the past (not related to Bitcoins) and I was able (with the help of my law team (my professor, actually) to get him convicted of fraud and sent to prison for a couple of months.
It involved exactly what I am describing above.

I can field PMs on this, but I am pretty busy right now.  Only here to help out and direct.

He had gmail at very start, he swapped it in few days.

AvalonShenzen@gmail.com i recon

This is no surprise for me.

When i firstly read his topic about group buy 4, i found:
1) price is suspiciously low
2) there is no feedback in topic (somebody already received unit)
3) no group buy 1, 2, 3 in AvalonShenzhen posting history

so i wrote some words about my suspicion into topic and my post was deleted so... self moderated thread with group buy = 100% scam

and from there
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dcf6J5Ahc2vKvHCiSV2s18TMBBRGxQxfg 78 btc

and

https://blockchain.info/address/1BpFz6tzW2YziVPgTMCXRCVkCLqe9rX89a  10 btc


Update!!!!

https://blockchain.info/address/1Dcf6J5Ahc2vKvHCiSV2s18TMBBRGxQxfg 0 btc
moved to another addresses.

https://blockchain.info/address/1BpFz6tzW2YziVPgTMCXRCVkCLqe9rX89a 60 btc

Safe-mail is owned and operated by Secure Information Technologies Ltd, (SecITech) which is a privately owned company registered in Israel and with offices in Israel, the UK, and Japan.

Any victim located in Israel, the UK or Japan?

Seems I misjudged serpiente12, I'm not wanting to add to the bad time he is already clearly facing. I hope you get your coins back and good luck with things.

[EDIT] With all the scams going on it's easy to jump to conclusions as I did...

If i were to get some money, were would i buy a miner , its like you dont know who to trust...i see ebay miners are so expensive, if someone has an idea feel free to post it...

I need some ideas and advice...annything helps really...

Hey, bitmain - https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm or sushi's group buy thread on here are known to be genuine.

There are some on Amazon right now, some are good price.(Cubes, AntMiners) I just bought two more cubes. Seller rips you off there, you dont get berated, you get your money back.

I also had a sucessful/excellent purchase here from CanaryInTheMine but, Im pretty turned off of this site as a whole.

AvalonShenzen still not tagged as scammer?


wtf?

thanks for the answer!

I feel like there is very little interest towards catching this guy i mean he stole 84 coins and i have just really talked to 3 guys ....exept me...is there somewere else this is going on or wtf??? i mean its obviously hard to catch him but as ive been told its not IMPOSSIBLE....and it will make my day if could look that smug guy in the face....

He is a big SCAMMER!
Tried to scam us with 1.2 BTC!
Beware of him!

i hope that prick of shit gets cancer
so he will spend his prey all life for healing

cant do my bike license now

hello ,




i think the interest is VERY low ....for 85BTC ......personally i bet 25% of my lost 1.1 BTC for catching and refund.

if all do that , thats more then 20BTC.

mayby we should open up a thread ,in which all the people which are scammed by this piece of shit ,wrote, how much they spend ,for refund and catching.

so mayby some cracks are be able to find him faster then the fbi/police whatever.

he should better pray every fucking day ,that no one find out his real name.

if so , please , please ...let him live here in germany.

Screwed for 2.2 BTC here. Yep I am at fault. I should have been more diligent in researching the Batch #1 "recipients". Sucks balls for sure, but there is not a lot I can do. It wont happen again i can be sure of that. I have made several group buy purchases before with not a single bump in the road, I should not have transferred that trust to the forum or mods.

My hope is that this tool will make a purchase at a large retailer that accepts bitcoin with one of the wallets that now contain our coin. Once his username with them is known I have a feeling his house of cards will crumble.

My scammed TX ID:b2fee9d6094bcce0f1ab2a10415276bfcfd528750bd79b78c70fc80d99a43491

I'll put up half of my losses (once retrieved) for info directly pointing to the culprit. I'm sure he/they slipped up somewhere along the way and I will continue digging as will others I'm sure...

i mean 20 bitcoin that has gotta get somebodys interest ....i will start a serious thread for all us scammed once wich can stay on topic at all times coming up....it really dosnt matter were he lives...my friend has 1 open ticket free of charge to go collect the bitcoins for everyone free of charge..ONCE the adress hits he is shit out of luck im afrade...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473761.msg5227345#msg5227345 new and final topic for catching this guy

i have been scamed for 2.05 btc

and suggested 15% for someone to track down and return us our money.
but that is only possible if all "investors" :D come to one place one topic and freely give away percentage of their/our "investment". :D

so basically someone need to open a new topic, collect us all there, and we all to giveaway 15,25,or 30% of invested money to Private investigator, that will track down and return our money.

that is only way, how i see it that it will be possible to even have a small chance to maybe return some of our money.


if anyone have better suggestion, please speak freely.
there are no bad ideas. any idea that move us in any direction is good.
except to send more money to that address. :D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473761.msg5227345#msg5227345 new and final topic for catching this guy   


if you read above you can see that i have done just that .... ;)

you must not have looked over the GB post then, there were multiple pics

I didn't see any pics from the seller himself. the ones there were grabbed from the internet

they were from the seller with a piece of paper signed and dated by the seller

There were no pics from other users on the page, but when I messaged a few of the users who had previously purchased in other GB I received responses back and pictures that everything was working fine, later found out that the users were the scammer himself.

As far as PayPal goes, I use to resell BTC miners using Paypal and ebay, and PayPal is VERY strange when you sell stuff like this. I had my account frozen 3-4 different times due to "strange" activity so the fact that he could not accept PayPal was not out of the ordinary for me.

The fact that most of the users were not even a member of the message board was not found out until after the BTC were sent. I had the shitty luck of picking 5-6 random usernames and they all existed. These were the ones I messaged and get responses and pictures back form.

The broken english, well lets be honest, ALL OF THESE MACHINES ARE COMING FROM CHINA. Most of the re sellers here can speak OK english, so there was no needs to question this.

To be honest, the work the scammer did in this was a lot in comparison to other.

there was questions (posted one myself) but was deleted..
missing gb 1,2 topics just posting gb 3 should warn buyers, i wrote question about gb 1/2 and got deleted so i didnt buy

Guys who got scammed deserved it, seriusly ...

LOL...you sir are a gentleman!

Just like the guy who you scammed with your Amazon gift card and then you got hacked?
Go the fuck away you dirtbag.

That wasn't me , I was hacked and I was going to refund him so keep your shit for yousrelf :)

Amazing how every POS scammer is an innocent who gets hacked.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470345.0  is Kwukduck AvalonShenzhen?

KwukDuck is a Dutch man, Mr Peter Stultiens, born 31-01-1986, Concordiastraat 24, 6092 NM, Leveroy, the Netherlands.
Link to Mr Peter Stultiens CV: pstultiens.com/cv-peterstultiens.pdf (Link removed. Search for cached link.)

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Mr Peter Stultiens owns theperfectboobs.net, clipteez.com and mykink.xxx.
Theperfectboobs.net started 2009, clipteez.com and mykink.xxx 2012. According to the Dutch tax authority, Belastingdienst Eindhoven, Mr Peter Stultiens hasn´t paid any tax for theperfectboobs.net, clipteeze.com or mykink.xxx.

Mr Peter Stultiens Bitcoin account: 1KWUKDuCkwWA3RQdtzLDiUUB5a5ntazQts also unknown to the Dutch tax authority.

Mr Peter Stultiens works as Content Manager at Smartwares Home Improvement. Maybe Mr Peter Stultiens will be promoted to a higher office if you inform the company of his porn sites: http://smartwareshomeimprovement.eu/nl-nl/contactus

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Guys, this is classic Scott Davie tactics.  I can't believe y'all fell for this crap.  Ever heard of escrow?  Sure, that deal was so sweet we didn't have time to think about that.  All you did was make him a little more money.  Jesus Christ!