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Posted Today by RealSolid, 08:51 AM
So quite a lot with this release, even though the minor .01 release suggests it's minor, it is not.

Source: http://solidcoin.inf...-201-source.zip
Windows: http://solidcoin.inf...lidcoin-201.exe
Linux64: http://solidcoin.inf...linux64.tar.bz2
Linux32: http://solidcoin.inf...linux32.tar.bz2

If you want to buy some SolidCoins before they go mainstream.
http://solidcoin24.com (BTC -> SC)
http://bitlobby.com (Credit Card purchasing)
http://btc-e.com (BTC -> SC , bank deposits)



There may be some issues with makefiles on MAC and WINDOWS, I use Visual Studio 10 to compile on Windows now, so you may need to do a little work with mingw to get it compiling. I may release all the msvc10 libraries and project files needed to build it soon.

Linux compiles rather easy as long as you have all the libraries ( from ./src directory type "make -f ../build/makefile.unix")

v2.01
[CORE] Fixed small bug which gave trusted nodes with an amount closer to one million more value than a higher account
[CORE] Fixed some issues with re-orgs not removing wallet transactions if they are reorganized
[CORE] Autostart mining now possible
[CORE] Fixed bug that would show you incorrect balance just after a send until it was confirmed by one block
[CORE] Stopped blocks with invalid times from being able to be used
[CORE] Some cleanup to block index updating
[CORE] Fee checking slightly changed
[CORE] Fixed NTP handling. Now use async boost::asio and fixed a few small issues with updating time during NTP downtime. Also changed way SolidCoin reacts when it cannot find NTP time.

[UI] Added more info to the transaction information panel
[UI] Added hash speeds to system tray tooltip
[UI] Fixed mining hash calculation being incorrect
[UI] Fixed delay bug which happened when transaction panel was open
[UI] Now update the mining options in real time instead of needing a restart
[UI] Now show mini-pool stats from anyone who is mining for your SolidCoin client. Allows you to determine how much KH your node is getting.
[UI] Now show percentage of blocks needed to download
[RPC] Mining hash speed is now available over RPC for non GUI clients
[RPC] Some improvements to sc_testwork and sc_getwork for mining and pool efficiencies
[RPC] Fixed max fee bug in sc_sendtoaddress (Thanks coinotron)
[NETWORK] Reduced limits on how much data to be sent to nodes requesting it, fixes high CPU usage issues

[MINING] SC client now uses pool (or sc_getwork server) time and updates it, to introduce only a single source of time sync for the miners.
[WINDOWS] Added windows service support

ehehhahahaa lets get some pros on this "source" and see where RS is fucking around. Cause i garuntee he's still THE super node and controls everything.
Atop of that i garuntee that he can still change the # of coins minted per block.
Aswell as restart the chain, And premine a Fuckton of coins

Holy shitballs it's actually source.
I never expected this to happen!

Too bad we don't get to see the older outdated (and hence useless) source.

You sound like a god damn moron. Read the source and STFU.

Only reason people couldn't see the original source was because it had proprietary code that gave RS access to certain aspects of the network incase of attack. This has already been discussed several times. This whole notion that "IF WE DON'T HAVE SOURCE FROM START, IT'S USELESS NOTION" is complete garbage fabricated simply to troll a good project.

Wonderful!  Way to admit that CH has been denying people blocks that they legitimately earned.  lol.

Only reason people couldn't see the original source was because it had proprietary code that gave RS access to certain aspects of the network incase of attack.

Woah woah woah, I just tought about this.
If RS, Has changed SC's into "not a joke" now with SolidCoin v2.01
What about his millions of Premined SC's?
As soon as the value goes up he's just gonna fucking ride on his own self-creating money! (simmilar to what Satoshi did) But my main emphasis is that when these "coins" were made, He Gave himself Millions of them

Those premined coins need to be destroyed!

Uhh.... the premined have clearly been stated and now source can be verified as well as block explorer -

SC1 transfer coins.
Initial Arbiter nodes, since they require a minimum coin amount (once they hit just less than 1 million from CPF payments the coins are in essence unspendable)

How can you "destroy" those and still have a functioning system as it stands?  :facepalm:

Only reason people couldn't see the original source was because it had proprietary code that gave RS access to certain aspects of the network incase of attack. This has already been discussed several times. This whole notion that "IF WE DON'T HAVE SOURCE FROM START, IT'S USELESS NOTION" is complete garbage fabricated simply to troll a good project.

You sound like a god damn moron. Read the source and STFU.

If that were true you would have to still see it in the regular client source that they must accept transactions from the trusted nodes no questions asked in some manner.  Otherwise the coins would only be spendable on even blocks and well the block explorer would be able to trivially see that happening....  Call me crazy but that would be a terribly easy to spot exploit if it were the case.

That is not true, there is only about 2 million coins in existence in total.

If that were true you would have to still see it in the regular client source that they must accept transactions from the trusted nodes no questions asked in some manner.  Otherwise the coins would only be spendable on even blocks and well the block explorer would be able to trivially see that happening....  Call me crazy but that would be a terribly easy to spot exploit if it were the case.

This is the dumbest shit I've read in a long time.  How can you write off 'proprietary access' as 'omg that's just trolling'.  Were you dropped on your head as a child?  It's not 'trolling' to point out that your dear leader had/has proprietary access on a LIVE FUCKING MONETARY SYSTEM.

Secondly, and note that I'm not that tech minded - how do we know that the source code that's being released is the same as the code that's running on the trust nodes?  That is to say (concerming the 12m+ premine), even though you pass out source that says 'oh these wallets can't spend anything', what's to prevent the trust nodes from running code that says 'these wallets are 100% spendable'.  I mean, that's the point of the 'trust nodes', right?  To have authority on what's allowed in the blockchain?

No there are 14.2 million and RS owns 12 million of those plus the ~130K more collected by the king's tax.

So roughly 85% of all coins are owned by a single person.

So now there are two versions of Solidcoin2. One for the pumpers and one for the dumper(s)?

really greedy beach  8)

You will be able to see signs of foul play in the client source, it cannot be 100% hidden if the trusted nodes were running some special super secret code base.  So there is no -may- about it, look at the source and find the signs of foul play.  All of you have been whining about no source, and I theorized way back when that you wouldn't read it anyway so prove me wrong.

1.Before RS shut down the network people had plenty of time to get out. But the majority of his supporters stood by him and understood the reasoning behind all the events(BTCEX, Artfroz attack). Anyone who remained as an SC2.0 supporter understood that they were handing over 100% control over to Real Solid.

Worse that person can make any change to the "limits" on the control nodes.  For example an updated version of the client could allow transfering unlimited funds from the 12M premine to another account.  If you don't like it well you have no choice.  The control nodes are the enforcers of the network.

So the claim of unpsendability is bogus.  If one person can make any change to the network and everyone must comply then there is no limit on his power.

Are you kidding? The network shutdown was announced barely a few hours before it occurred. It was so fast that a big pool owner didn't even notice it until several hours after the shutdown!
And when the shutdown was announced, it was just "to fix the 50%+1 attack". Only MUCH after came the CPU-biased mining and the tax. And only after the SC2 release we were made aware of the shitloads of post-pre-mined coins.

So no, we didn't have plenty of time to get out. And no we had no idea of the mess it would become before it shut down. Get some memory.

*Epiphany moment*  Now I see there will be absolutely no appeasing you lot ever under any circumstances.... unless of course everything was released as a clone of Bitcoin... but hey you got bitcoin for that so just stick to that I guess.


You will be able to see signs of foul play in the client source, it cannot be 100% hidden if the trusted nodes were running some special super secret code base.  So there is no -may- about it, look at the source and find the signs of foul play.  All of you have been whining about no source, and I theorized way back when that you wouldn't read it anyway so prove me wrong.

The trusted nodes don't "send" any money to the CPF. They "lose" money by signing a trusted block, it's part of the protection mechanism.

The 10 initial trust accounts aren't designed to stick around forever, they lose money, most will be replaced by real millionaires, with perhaps one or two supported by the community.

People can see the source now, if you want 51% protection SolidCoin offers it. If you don't then stick with whatever you're on. SolidCoin features a number of improvements over all chains, cpu+gpu mining at watt for watt efficiencies, confirmed transactions within 3 minutes, massive increase in security, mining within the client and support for a proper p2p backbone. No one can deny these features. Everyone bickering centralization doesn't really know what they are talking about, BitCoin features more centralization than SolidCoin. 3 pools own 80% of the network.

What makes you think we didn't collectively come up with all these ideas? The economic platform is something that I and many others here have embraced as more stable economic ideology.

CH, you're a blithering fool if you can't discern between centralization built into the protocol (sc), and decentralization built into the protocol (Btc).

You can argue however that the CPF is 5% centralization, and I agree with that. There is a current 5% economic centralization in SolidCoin.

The trusted nodes don't "send" any money to the CPF. They "lose" money by signing a trusted block, it's part of the protection mechanism.

The 10 initial trust accounts aren't designed to stick around forever, they lose money, most will be replaced by real millionaires, with perhaps one or two supported by the community.

Everyone bickering about centralization doesn't really know what they are talking about, BitCoin features more centralization than SolidCoin. 3 Bitcoin pools own 80% of the network, so don't make me laugh.

If you think having trust nodes is centralization then I can argue that having mining clients is also centralization. Non mining clients are forced to accept what the mining clients tell them. Scary isn't it.

Try again, it's centralized on 10 (or so) trusted nodes. Doesn't sound like 5% economic centralization.

They can be refilled.  You are simply moving money from one pocket you control into another pocket you control (w/ added bonus of each time you do it you gain some -5% vs +10%).    There will be no other trusted node for years.  Even if there is your fiat trusted nodes can veto them.  In effect there is only a single control node and you control it.  That won't be changing for years and most likely will never change.

The difference is people have a choice. They can choose to mine elsewhere.  With your "control nodes" there is no choice.  You could change block reward to 200,000 tomorrow or eliminate it all together.  The control node (lets drop the dubiousness of plural) will enforce that change.  You can halt the network, block transactions, increase the kings tax to 30%, remove the "restriction" on 12M premine, create an even block giving you 100,000 coins, and nobody can stop or alter that.   If they don't accept the change and upgrade the client the control nodes lock them out.

It isn't "kinda centralized".  It is complete and absolute centralized control by a single person.

Try again, it's centralized on 10 (or so) trusted nodes. Doesn't sound like 5% economic centralization.

Given real solid has the private keys for all 10 and can move funds between them even the 10 is obfuscation.

There is a single effective trust control node.  It is completely under the control of Real Solid.  It will enforce any change made by him at anytime.  Anyone who fails to upgrade is locked out of the network.

The even blocks were never about trust.  The concept of trusting the rich, because they are rich is dubious on face value.
The even blocks are about complete and absolute control of the network both now and into the future.

What are you basing that on? That they can be refilled? If you read the source you would see they currently cannot be refilled.

People can choose to invest themselves with a million SC and become a trust node. No one is stopping them. So they also have a choice. Not sure of your point, you fail to understand some basic SolidCoin principles.

What are you basing that on? That they can be refilled? If you read the source you would see they currently cannot be refilled.

He's tripping all over his own words.

1) You have indicated in the past they could be refilled when asked what happens when they run out of money.  What would happen if the balance of all trusted nodes fell below 1M SC and no "real millionaire" existed?  The entire network would halt forever?

2) You can force any change to the network.  If ever there was a need for you to continue to retain absolute control you could remove the restriction, you could change the even block protocol so it refills the trusted node automatically.  You could increase the limit for what makes a trusted node (to lock out competitors).  You could remove the restrctions on spending funds from trusted node.  You could increase the kings ransom from 10% to 30% or any amount to ensure you will always be in complete control of the network.

If a single person controls the funds & the keys there is no checks and balances.  Just obfuscation.

And you would still override them by having >1M coins.  Also you could at any time change that if you wanted to just like you can change any aspect of the network on a whim.

Let me ask you a question, was Bitcoin centralized when it was only 10 people running it? Is Bitcoin centralized now that 3 cop pools control 80% of the network?

No, you're confusing accounts for nodes. The same accounts can be run on many nodes.

Let me ask you a question, was Bitcoin centralized when it was only 10 people running it? Is Bitcoin centralized now that 3 cop pools control 80% of the network?

This is incorrect because I don't run all the trust nodes. All decisions need to be agreed upon by those holders or they could decide not to support the changes and chaos would ensue. These 10 trust accounts are a short term measure to get us into the real millionaire realm, it's not a permanent thing by any mean which is why they are designed to die.

No, they need a majority of trust money if they want to force decisions on the network.

Just as trust nodes can not accept certain blocks non trust nodes don't have to accept trust node blocks if they don't meet criteria of their choosing. You are really simplifying things if you don't realize you need both forces working together, those with the money and those with the mining power.

 Let me ask you an honest question. No trolling.

 Why should we trust you as the central authority for SolidCoin ?

 Let me ask you an honest question. No trolling.

 Why should we trust you as the central authority for SolidCoin ?

 Why do you keep making the point that 3 pools have 80% of the hashing power ? The likelihood of even two of those pools getting together in a coordinated attack is a rather mind-boggling proposal.

I could quote almost all of you trolls as having said "verify, show me the source" in some form or another.  You all now have source code, you can validate if it is right be compiling and running, you can also read it.  I am saddened to see you all are proving my statements that a great majority wouldn't look at the source anyway, more saddened because it seems my estimate of about 75% of you seems to be more in the realm of 100%.... that truly means you all are just trolling for the sake of it, hope you all are having fun.

I could quote almost all of you trolls as having said "verify, show me the source" in some form or another.  You all now have source code, you can validate if it is right be compiling and running, you can also read it.  I am saddened to see you all are proving my statements that a great majority wouldn't look at the source anyway, more saddened because it seems my estimate of about 75% of you seems to be more in the realm of 100%.... that truly means you all are just trolling for the sake of it, hope you all are having fun.

If you want to live in lala land thinking Bitcoin is "the answer" to the banks and system then there isn't much I can do besides to continue to educate people. If you really want to bring an end to this shit you need real answers and real protection.

I designed SolidCoin v2.0 so that it could protect itself against government threats, the highest level of attacks we may face if very successful.

To me there is no point in doing something if you don't have answers for problems.

You made it more vulnerable to government threats.  You are aware government have this thing called money.  Money that could be exchanged for ScamCoins.  Once they have 51% of the control ScamCoins they control the network.

I'm really more interested in seeing what you come up with by reading the source for yourself.  The proof to validate the trolling is out there for you if you just grab it... unless you are afraid it will invalidate it and the troll fun will be over?

There is only a limited amount of coins in existence and if they are owned by people with the right values then there is nothing a government can do.

So is this the new public stance of the trolls now?

Backing off from "validate, show us the source" to "we don't care to look at the source anymore"?  That's rather convenient and petty....

Except by the time they see SolidCoin as a threat the people with the most money will be people who share the values of people like you and myself. There is only a limited amount of coins in existence and if they are owned by people with the right values then there is nothing a government can do.

Your argument that it makes it less secure than bitcoin is pretty stupid though. You do realize you need both MINING and MONEY to attack SolidCoin.

Backing off from "validate, show us the source" to "we don't care to look at the source anymore"?  That's rather convenient and petty....

4) The change to payout rate ensures nobody except RS will have enough coins to have a trusted node.

if(vtx[1].vin.size()!=1 || vtx[1].vout.size()!=1)   return error("VerifyBlock() : trusted block second tx more than 1 input or output");

 if(valDiff<blockValue)                                              return error("ConnectInputs() : trusted tx p
ayment less than CPF");

5) I think that the existing trusted nodes can conspire to stop anyone else from becoming a trusted node. It appears that in order to be a trusted node, you need 1 million SC in a single address and you need to transfer it there in a single transaction. (Look at CTransaction::ConnectInputs.) If the trusted nodes refuse all such big transactions, no-one else can ever become one.

Also, it may actually be possible for RealSolid - or anyone else - to spend money in the trustfund accounts if they're clever about how they do it and if the account still has at least 1 million SC in it. It's not possible to use money from those addresses for anything except trusted block validation, and the first output of that validation transaction has to go to the same address that the coins originated from, but I can't see anything to stop someone from creating a second output and sending themselves some money at a different address.
Edit: Never mind, that won't work due to a check elsewhere in the code:

Additionally, it appears that the code only restricts the minimum amount of coins that creators of trusted blocks must pay to RealSolid, with no maximum amount:

That a full peer review and testing of the code can be done in the first 30 minutes or so?

That last bit is brilliant, it means that RS can, in fact, loot the funds quite nicely.
Just tell one, any one, to send 1m coins for the trusted block fee instead of the minimum amount.
Presto!  CPF with >1,000,000 coins!
Now the CPF is a trusted node.

It might actually be worse than that, after a closer look. The payment is done in two parts: a transaction fee on the trusted node's payment which feeds into a coinbase transaction that pays out to the CPF. The code checks that the coinbase has a total value equal to the fees plus the amount generated, and it checks that the first coinbase output on trusted blocks goes to the CPF, but it doesn't seem to place the same "only one output" restriction on the coinbase part that it does on the trusted node's original payment. So a trusted node could in theory pay as much trustfund money as they like to whatever address they like in any trusted block they create, just so long as they make a token payment of a fraction of a SolidCoin to the CPF too.

I designed SolidCoin v2.0 so that it could protect itself against government threats, the highest level of attacks we may face if very successful. To me there is no point in............................................................................. ........

Please explain how exactly are you going to protect the network against government threats.

How are you going to prevent the government from physically taking over those "trusted" nodes?

I think the trusted nodes are spread around the world, with backup nodes setup ready to go live when something happens... You can just copy the "trusted" wallet to a new server, install solidcoind, set the config to trusted-node-mode, and the network will continue... So the US-Army has to find the new location and send the special forces there, enough time to setup other servers...

Just one question... Why the US army? I think you should be more afraid of the Greek and Portuguese army.

Just one question... Why the US army? I think you should be more afraid of the Greek and Portuguese army.

I think the trusted nodes are spread around the world,

I don't think ALL of the trusted nodes are located in Greece or Portugal :)

Additionally, it appears that the code only restricts the minimum amount of coins that creators of trusted blocks must pay to RealSolid, with no maximum amount:

I think the trusted nodes are spread around the world, with backup nodes setup ready to go live when something happens... You can just copy the "trusted" wallet to a new server, install solidcoind, set the config to trusted-node-mode, and the network will continue... So the US-Army has to find the new location and send the special forces there, enough time to setup other servers...

I think the trusted nodes are spread around the world, with backup nodes setup ready to go live when something happens... You can just copy the "trusted" wallet to a new server, install solidcoind, set the config to trusted-node-mode, and the network will continue... So the US-Army has to find the new location and send the special forces there, enough time to setup other servers...

Wait a moment there... You said the trusted nodes were spread around the world... If the US-army tried to come to my country for one of their special-ops I wouldn't be pleased and I would kick their ass myself.
The US doesn't own the world. Or do they in your own twisted vision of it? Because if the US can invade ANY country, so can Greece or Portugal...

Stop being so US centric, it annoys people, you know?

Psy, I'm fully with you (being a Greek). Now that we're going bankrupt as a country, we will need ANY coin we can get  ;D. And a poor, desperate population is no easy game for any invader. We don't have anything else to lose.

But, BTW, invasions cost money you know... Who will lend us ??? Maybe we should ask CH and BTCX and let them compete for the best term loan (SC or BTC respectively).  ;D

At least the US can print their own one-ply paper and pay for their wars.

As for the subject of the thread, I would much more prefer that people would be actually reading the code, instead of jumping to conclusions after having read 10 (or even zero) lines. 5 pages of discussion and nobody except makomk discusses the issue at hand.

Hye guys. Notice how CH, Shut Up completetly after he lost arguments Repeatedly?

You wanted the code, you have the code, now read it and go from there.

Altho I'm curious to his answer on the concern makomk raised. All the other questions are nothing more than white noise.

Part of reading the code involves compiling the code. And CH has failed to release the makefiles that make it possible to compile the code.

The source contains docs that list how to get referenced libraries... is making your own makefile all that hard?

yep.

Great, since it's so easy, I look forward to you writing one and posting it.

Great, since it's so easy, I look forward to you writing one and posting it.

RS/CH stopped responding when he got called on changing his story with every post.  He's probably on a marathon reading binge of his last posts so he can keep his "facts" straight.

Apparently to hard for that asshole, had to fix his broken ones first time round so you could compile now he can't even be bothered shipping the broken ones for people to fix up, what a joke you people are.

I too am perplexed by this.... last time I tried to read compiled code, well it really is a lot harder than just looking at uncompiled source lol .... but since there is some mad skillz here then I guess Solidcoin was open source all the time since they could have just read the compiled code  ;D

How do you verify that *all* the source code was released? Me, I compile it. If it doesn't compile and run, then it's not a full source code release.

So you don't want to read it. You just want to compile it. What a stupid human you are, indeed.
So the complaint first was that nobody knew what was he shipping on those closed source binaries, but now you morons will just compile it without reading it...
If I were for RealSolid I would just release the source code with makefiles and make that source code delete all your hard drive while compiling or to really fuck you when the binary was run the first time, seeing as you guys are too dumb to read the code...

FFS, stupidity has limits!

... make that source code delete all your hard drive while compiling ...

I normally don't like to chime in much on these threads. But this statement is just too stupid to not comment on:


psy, try not to call people stupid in the same paragraph where you make a really stupid comment.

Holly fuck! RealSolid must have some mad skillzzzzzzzz. He compiled those binaries he has for download in his site using broken makefiles, is that what you're saying?

PS: I'm also too dumb to read source code, but I'm not the one begging for it nor the one pretending that I can do something which I obviously can't

Psy, requesting peer review has nothing to do with the ability to review it oneself.

I get that you claim you're not an SC fan, but your constant berating of anyone who does have an issue with all the inconsistencies coming from the SC camp lends itself to a different conclusion.

I never could quite figure out how he managed that either, but somehow he did.

So you don't want to read it. You just want to compile it. What a stupid human you are, indeed.

I want to read it, compile it, run it, debug it, test it. Since SolidCoin is a copy of Bitcoin, and Bitcoin code is quite complex, the SolidCoin source code is not something that can be simply read in a few minutes. The only stupid person is someone who thinks they can fully understand complex source code simply by reading it for a few minutes.

No, you're confusing accounts for nodes. The same accounts can be run on many nodes.

Wait a moment there... You said the trusted nodes were spread around the world... If the US-army tried to come to my country for one of their special-ops I wouldn't be pleased and I would kick their ass myself.
The US doesn't own the world. Or do they in your own twisted vision of it? Because if the US can invade ANY country, so can Greece or Portugal...

Stop being so US centric, it annoys people, you know?

Also, new solidcoin attack vector is: Release the makefile! Nobody cares about trusted nodes anymore, just makefiles.

 In all fairness, it's pointless to release source code if the people you are releasing it to are not able to easily compile it.

One thing is for sure, most people won't ever download the source and compile it for themselves, be it from solidcoin, litecoin or bitcoin...

so they should be able to easily compile it, even without a makefile.

 This statement is demonstrably false and shows a tremendous amount of ignorance.

http://wiki.solidcoin.info/wiki/Building_Solidcoin_from_source

Have fun (thanks to BrightSky@#solidcoin for sharing this !!!)

make -f ../build/makefile.unix # for the GUI client
# OR
make -f ../build/makefile.unix solidcoind # for the Solidcoin Daemon

Oh, look...

There is no /build directory, and thus no makefile.unix. The released source code is not complete.

To be fair, he is correct.  RS hasn't released the entire source code if he didn't release the makefile.

To be fair, 90% of the trolls in here do not know what they are talking about. Go back through the posts and see for yourself.  :D

Gee that just flat out reeks of deflection. Address the issue, not scamper away. Is this a full release? No. Can it be kludged together? Probably. Is it optimized, and the most amazing thing since training wheels? No. It remains a badly flawed, awkwardly put together mess, that is being pushed by force of abusive harangue, rather than inherent utility.

Your code and release party are weak, your customer service is appalling, and your message is lost in the adoring cries for the Dear Leader to bless you with another banning.

Frak this, I'm moving along. It is exactly what most everybody thought it is, a cheesy rip-off of other people's code with a lot of bullshit baggage added in.

Where the hell is BTCX?

Actually as coblee pointed out earlier, RS clearly stated he is building in VS10 ... makefiles are not necessary.

So the next argument I guess is it's not open source because we didn't get the project files and VS libs...  This would be false, these are not typically ever handed out to my knowledge even in VS centric open source programs, in part because at least in my experience they tend to be very machine specific.

With all that said, Brightsky has released makefiles for use for you all, what is the problem with that?

Is the new troll argument now, "ok there is source, there is makefiles, but they didn't come from RS?!?!?"

Where the hell is BTCX?

Is the new troll argument now, "ok there is source, there is makefiles, but they didn't come from RS?!?!?"

Not generalizing all who disagree... generalizing people who are repeatedly asking answered questions... code is there, makefiles are there, RS did state he is building within VS10 in which case he may not have and seemed to indicate not needing makefiles.

Read the thread again, same people, same questions, even with legitimate answers.... so they are trolling for the fun of it or they are dumb.... I am giving them the benefit of the doubt by saying they are trolling.

 Not that I'm admitting to trolling, but it's a telling sign that he can't set up a proper source drop.

 Normally, when you release source like this, you provide documentation of everything required to compile the source to binaries.

 We would expect better from someone of RealSolid's claimed prowess.

 He should know better.

Brightsky was kind enough to add the instructions with the makefile on the wiki.

 But we're not talking about Brightsky.

 But we're not talking about Brightsky.

No, you're confusing accounts for nodes. The same accounts can be run on many nodes.

Actually as coblee pointed out earlier, RS clearly stated he is building in VS10 ... makefiles are not necessary.

http://wiki.solidcoin.info/wiki/Building_Solidcoin_from_source

Have fun (thanks to BrightSky@#solidcoin for sharing this !!!)

If you want to buy some SolidCoins before they go mainstream.

The SolidCoin name is trademarked by RealSolid. All source applicable is also copyrighted by RealSolid. The copyrights and trademarks will be handed over to the SolidCoin NPO which will be created at some point in the future.

I thought I would have a look, although it's not a language I use, and I am not a professional coder.  I learnt that 30 years ago and haven't done real coding since my 20's.  I did see there are copyright signs in the headers and went to the licence.txt.  I am not sure if you can copyright to a made-up name, and I wonder where the trademark application was done?


The SolidCoin name is trademarked by RealSolid. All source applicable is also copyrighted by RealSolid. The copyrights and trademarks will be handed over to the SolidCoin NPO which will be created at some point in the future.

Australian trade mark law

etc

I simply went to TM Australia and searched the four trademark databases (nothing).  I then noticed they are still designing it because they have a voting thread.  The two seem incompatible.

Still, for a few dollars someone could do the international registration (there's a Madrid Treaty) - that might stuff things up.
Anyway, I would be interested to see how someone in court or making a case will prove to their lawyers they are realsolid to assert copyright over the code (either their own or from other projects like bitcoin or oracle.  (queue image of the crucifixion scene from "Life of Brian")

Ferris? Ferris? Any thoughts on why it is so wonderful now?

In progress from two people I know of.

I have an inside hunch as soon as ArtForz finishes the one he is working on, all hell is going to break loose!

Source released and price pump up and now dropped again.
Something wrong with "economical changes".
SC Block price =  0.05 btc
LTC Block price > 0.40 btc
8x  ;D
Someone want to mine (e.g. support) SC? ;D

Could you please Not Chime in with your 2c's like that, Your getting us all called trolls

You are all trolls, a bunch of pathetic ones at that.

You got all these geniuses thinking they can "pump & dump" SC like it's Bitcoin. Wait till they find out just how seemingly impossible that task has become with SC2 :).

Are you suggesting it'll be harder and harder to dump SC?  I believe that's also the current consensus, too ;)

Although you think SC is the pie in the sky, you don't realize RS/SC has alienated much of the cryptocurrency base.  With SC going further and further down on BTC-e, it's going to be that much harder to arouse interest again.  No adoption = worthless coin, no matter how much brown you have on your nose.  A (partial?) source release weeks after the chain has gone live does nothing to alleviate the concerns many people have when it comes to SC, and that's beside the intentional centralized design.

Unless you're suggesting there are other folk out there who are tired of carrying around paper fiat, but still want to be screwed over by a central authority.

Are you suggesting it'll be harder and harder to dump SC?  I believe that's also the current consensus, too ;)

Although you think SC is the pie in the sky, you don't realize RS/SC has alienated much of the cryptocurrency base.  With SC going further and further down on BTC-e, it's going to be that much harder to arouse interest again.  No adoption = worthless coin, no matter how much brown you have on your nose.  A (partial?) source release weeks after the chain has gone live does nothing to alleviate the concerns many people have when it comes to SC, and that's beside the intentional centralized design.

Unless you're suggesting there are other folk out there who are tired of carrying around paper fiat, but still want to be screwed over by a central authority.

You got all these geniuses thinking they can "pump & dump" SC like it's Bitcoin. Wait till they find out just how seemingly impossible that task has become with SC2 :).

If SC price keeps dropping and hashrate keeps dropping, it would be easy for RealSolid to resuscitate SC though. All he has to do is change the subsidy to 100 SC, which will make it profitable for miners to mine SC again. It's nice to have that kind of power. :)

I want to see people try to "Pump & Dump" the network :).

I want to see people try to "Pump & Dump" the network :).