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Every quarter BetKing will offer to buy back up to 10% of a holders tokens at the current buy back price.
(archived (https://archive.is/ahmNI#selection-953.0-953.105))

Dean personally profited by the terms of the ICO when the price of bitcoin went up (by pegging the token to USD, while holding btc). I agreed it was fair, because under the same terms Dean would personally lose if the price of bitcoin went down. When I inquired about how that is possible, and at what price bitcoin would need to drop to make that untenable, he said "even at $1" he could do it, because he has system in place to automatically sell bitcoin and would always honor the buy backs.

Total funds raised:
1,046.60623397 BTC
4,614.61055431 ETH
833.38469263 LTC
Total: $6,497,165.94
(archived (https://archive.is/bdQUm#selection-7313.0-7308.13))

So when I changed to this model I owned 70% of all BKB
(archived (https://archive.is/JNVxY#selection-7693.0-7693.54))

The accounts involved have red tags already, but I haven't tagged them yet. I want opinions first, and if any DT decides to tag them based on this topic, I'll tag them too.

RHavar is DT.

I didn't have enough time to review everything yet but from what I've seen in the BetKing thread and in your excellent summary it looks like a bona fide scam.

Total funds raised:
1,046.60623397 BTC
4,614.61055431 ETH
833.38469263 LTC
Total: $6,497,165.94
(archived (https://archive.is/bdQUm#selection-7313.0-7308.13))

So when I changed to this model I owned 70% of all BKB
(archived (https://archive.is/JNVxY#selection-7693.0-7693.54))

You know absolutely nothing of what our costs were in the past year and a half. You don't know what was spent on marketing, promos, development (you say frugal, I had 6 devs working for me for a year, they don't work for free).

Seems RHavar left both feedback's, negative and positive. How is it possible? Can someone trust and distrust same time? Any one feedback's should revise by the way.

But I am not going to tag till I discover full story behind of Betking.

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The accounts involved have red tags already, but not yet from me. I want opinions first, and if any DT decides to tag them based on this topic, I'll tag them too.

And when you explain clearly facts of matter pointing to scam rather than assumptions - he leaves you negative Trust? What an utter and complete low-life fool that scammer Dean Nolan is.

If any DT tags him, I'll add a tag to make the account -14.

Added my neg. Was unable to find anything that would convince me otherwise. The belligerent responses form BetKing to RHavar and to you tell the whole story really.

Well he deserves that negative rating but please do not forget scammer Dean Nolan also uses the following Usernames as an alias so they too should be tagged if possible:

BetKing Support  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1055046
PocketRocketsCasino - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=97219
dean nolan - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941114

I tagged all accounts listed in the OP.

The accounts involved have red tags already, but not yet from me. I want opinions first, and if any DT decides to tag them based on this topic, I'll tag them too.

Added my neg. Was unable to find anything that would convince me otherwise. The belligerent responses form BetKing to RHavar and to you tell the whole story really.

I have tagged the 4 accounts related to this ICO, with all these information provided, it's only fair that they are tagged

i will personally be open to whatever BetKing team has to say on this.

Oh no, red trust that means nothing on a cesspit of a forum full of scammers, liars and trolls.

What Dean did is obviously horrible. Loyce, thank you for the write-up. However, the way I see it, a part of the blame also falls into the hands of the victim. This wasn't a very clever or well thought out scam at all... any person, especially in the crypto world, who guarantees that a token won't fall below a certain point is probably scamming. I mean, the very idea is ridiculous. I feel very sorry for the people who lost money in this... although it was obvious, let it be a lesson to everyone not to fall for such blatant lies.

No one lost money in this (except me).
They claim to know people who say they have lost money but none of them have posted and none of them have been in contact with me which I'm sure if they did actually lose money or felt they had they would be in contact.

If he has the BKB he can't have lost money. If he sells or trades it and sells at a low price now then he would lose money but that would be his decision and I have explained how the new system works and that he should wait.
Instead he wants attention and just shouts scam (note Loyce didn't even buy tokens in the ico, he got them from bounty)
But it is not the concern of anyone in this forum who didn't own BKB from the original ICO.

Thank you for the clarification. I have two questions:

a) Is it true that you claimed that there is a price floor, ie. a minimum price for the token that the value would never fall below?
b) Has the price of your token fallen below this alleged price floor, if it exists?

a) no. I gave an equation that calculated the price based on site profit. If the site had a big loss then the token price would have been lower than the ICO price.
b) there was no price floor

Oh no, red trust that means nothing on a cesspit of a forum full of scammers, liars and trolls.

@Loyce - I didn't respond because your post has so many lies (posting jolly goods posts as evidence?) and assumptions you made wrongly (last buy back was a year ago?). You all twist my words every time I reply to anything and then use some random ambiguous claim as the start of your next smear campaign.

You can give me -9999 trust all you want. Doesn't make a difference.

If you had have stuck to a civil discussion by email then I could have easily explained everything to you and point our where you were wrong and how things worked and helped you but guess you needed the attention here.

Howdy Dean,

Since your new EOS/BKT adventure doesn't appeal to me that much: can I
sell back the BKB tokens I still have (in my Betking account) at
$0.099 a piece, so my BetKing token holder adventure ends?

Thanks,
Loyce

Hi
You can trade your BKB to BKT on the site at a ratio of 20 BKT per 1 BKB. We buy back BKT every hour on our exchange from the profit on casino and exchange in the previous hour.

Just so you know, there was 600 BTC used of the initial ICO fund to buy tokens back. I owned 70% of all BKB before releasing the new token on BetKing.
17% more have converted to BKT and are happy with the direction the new site is going, despite me clearly, which I've been open about, making some bad business decisions in the past year.

So, where is the scam? There's only about 13% of all BKB that has not been bought back using our initial ICO funds, since we didn't make profit, or converted to BKT. I imagine a lot of that would be bonuses and bounties that will never be reclaimed either and some people who just haven't checked back on the site in a while.

Still a scam yeah?

Do you know what would have made your tokens more valuable?
Helping to promote and support the site instead of accusing it of being a scam constantly in the forum.

So you're saying I can sell $700 BKB tokens for $8 LTC?

I'm saying have some sense for a minute. Or crawl back to the forum and post all this, I don't really give a shit.

Any normal person would know to hold and sell when price goes up.
It's obvious we were going to have dumpers right at start with the promos.

If you decide to sell for less than you put in that is your own fault not mine

This wasn't a very clever or well thought out scam at all... any person, especially in the crypto world, who guarantees that a token won't fall below a certain point is probably scamming.

If he has the BKB he can't have lost money. If he sells or trades it and sells at a low price now then he would lose money but that would be his decision

Instead he wants attention and just shouts scam

(note Loyce didn't even buy tokens in the ico, he got them from bounty)

Or do you have a loophole  "They only lost bitcoin! Bitcoin is not money!"   ::)

I think the loophole is going to be that I didn't buy the tokens. But if that's the excuse, it means apparently some tokens are more equal than others.

Alright, I apologize for coming off as aggressive. From Loyce's post, I ascertained that you promised that the token would not fall below the ICO price. I guess that statement from his original thread is wrong. Thanks for the clarification, once again.

The buy back price offered by BetKing will be based on the current total bankroll profit.So for example if the price of the token at the end of the crowdsale was $0.014 and the bankroll profit was $1,000,000 then the buy back price would be $0.024 (1,000,000/100,000,000 + 0.014).

Every quarter BetKing will offer to buy back up to 10% of a holders tokens at the current buy back price.

Dean personally profited by the terms of the ICO when the price of bitcoin went up (by pegging the token to USD, while holding btc). I agreed it was fair, because under the same terms Dean would personally lose if the price of bitcoin went down. When I inquired about how that is possible, and at what price bitcoin would need to drop to make that untenable, he said "even at $1" he could do it, because he has system in place to automatically sell bitcoin and would always honor the buy backs.

The token value is calculated as:

I + (P /100,000,000)

Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $.

LoyceV, it seems like he didn't guarantee anything: it appears to me that BetKing just didn't make profit, and thus the token fell. Has he stated anywhere that the token can't fall that low? I can't find where he said that. I obviously trust you more than him; I just don't see the evidence.

The $0.0945 on top left on dice page is the current value of 1 token based on my buy back program

The value (in dollars) was supposed to be based on the formula I posted above. For the token value to fall a lot, the bankroll must have suffered huge losses (which means players winning hundreds of Bitcoins). That didn't happen.
Any other expenses shouldn't have influenced the token price.

This is one post that shows the BKB value at that time:
The latest value I've seen was $0.099, and I've never read about a large drop in value due to tremendous bankroll losses. That's not even debated here, the value dropped because the quarterly buybacks ended.

I'm done with this forum now.

I'm buying tokens back with my own profit, the 30 million tokens I keep from the ICO.

-30 million will be retained by BetKing for ICO bounties, testing bounties, advisors, hiring, future marketing and development.
-After the crowdsale at least 50% of the funds raised will be used for the house bankroll that players bet against and winnings are paid from.The remaining funds will be used for marketing, promos, seo, design, development, server costs and legal.

Remaining token holders have the benefit that their tokens have much more value the longer they hold them. They can choose to never sell them back to me for many years or if the site was to be sold.

My buy back price does not reduce after buying back. So if sa I bought 10% of tokens back for $1 or whatever after first quarter.
The remaining tokens are still worth $1 and then have the profit of next 3 months added on top of that

I'm buying tokens back with my own profit, the 30 million tokens I keep from the ICO.
http://archive.is/9opwz#selection-6385.0-6387.1

-30 million will be retained by BetKing for ICO bounties, testing bounties, advisors, hiring, future marketing and development.
-After the crowdsale at least 50% of the funds raised will be used for the house bankroll that players bet against and winnings are paid from.The remaining funds will be used for marketing, promos, seo, design, development, server costs and legal.
http://archive.is/tdcWr

Really funny how Betking/Dean came here once to explain, and is suddenly silent after the precisions provided.

Will add my neg pretty soon to the collection

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Oh, Ryan. You never fail to amuse. Excellent detective work. I'd consider that pretty irrefutable proof that they're the same person.

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Oh, Ryan. You never fail to amuse. Excellent detective work. I'd consider that pretty irrefutable proof that they're the same person.

Your detective work is very, very poor.

However what you are doing is bordering on doxing someone else just because they post about the site? That is terrible behaviour and surely is against the forum rules.

Instead of getting off on the little fame you get from these trolls worshipping you why don't you stick to your retirement with your gf and your bike?
Or is selling btc too hard for you too still since running from the US?

BillyBurns: I don't think you're Dean's alt account. But know that users have been tagged for promoting scams before, and since the consensus is that BetKing's ICO turned into a scam, it's probably time to stop promoting the site.

That's funny, coming from someone who claims JollyGood is game-protect, and claims asche is likely to be marlboroza.

If someone posts something by himself, analyzing the screenshot isn't considered doxing.

Please refrain from going off-topic.

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Screenshot of BetKing.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=565024)'s recently Sent feedback:
http://i65.tinypic.com/vep2tc.gif
I love the trust abuse. Very mature!

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Disclaimer:
Note that meriting a post doesn't necessarily mean I agree with the post. It means the post is worth reading, and in this case can also mean it's worth reading because it says a lot about the person posting it.

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BillyBurns: I don't think you're Dean's alt account. But know that users have been tagged for promoting scams before, and since the consensus is that BetKing's ICO turned into a scam, it's probably time to stop promoting the site.

My inbox is empty, why is no one demanding their investment back from this scam?

You can pm here, email me, telegram me. I'm not getting anything.

Howdy Dean,

Since your new EOS/BKT adventure doesn't appeal to me that much: can I sell back the BKB tokens I still have (in my Betking account) at $0.099 a piece, so my BetKing token holder adventure ends?

Thanks,
Loyce

Or the guys who think breaking forum rules day after day is kool because they can get away with it

The only scam I know of is the fact you guys are all teamed up breaking rules on a witch hunt

Look at my bad merit/trust, I don't deserve this. You abusers gave it to me and I would like to see one person justify it.

Trust list for: JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) (38 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/1016855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=JollyGood)) (created 2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h)
Back to index (http://loyce.club/trust/)

JollyGood is Trusted by:
1. IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) (25 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=841288)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/841288.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=IconFirm))
2. johnsmithx (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=880756) (7 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=880756)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/880756.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=johnsmithx))

~JollyGood is Distrusted by:
1. DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (DT1! (24) 646 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DarkStar_))
2. TeMHuK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=840028) (9 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=840028)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/840028.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TeMHuK))
3. zloy_hulk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=878192) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=878192)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/878192.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=zloy_hulk))
4. blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996) (4 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=885996)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/885996.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=blurryeyed))
5. xtraelv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897509) (DT1! (19) 1023 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=897509)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/897509.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=xtraelv))
6. A_Creature (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1111161) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1111161)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/1111161.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=A_Creature))
7. translocated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1160000) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1160000)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/1160000.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=translocated))
8. yurez83 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1270987) (17 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1270987)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/1270987.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yurez83))
9. Nihrupka (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1411937) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1411937)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-23_Sat_05.36h/1411937.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Nihrupka))

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0).
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (http://loyce.club/trust/).

This is the problem with these trolls, you consider that pretty irrefutable proof... When your making some pretty big accusations. I would hate for your opinion to be at the hands of another human being on trial. You don't have the ability to look at things objectively, you want Dean to be me so you will let your subjective feelings cloud your judgement. This post by you show's that your claims should have little credability in the future.

Rhavar should have 100% not posted this, he should have tried to get in contact with me and explain what he had and ask me to verify or give him proof. I'm sure he was sitting there feeling so gleeful as he compiled his circumstancial evidence. So proud to unleash his findings.

That's funny, coming from someone who claims JollyGood is game-protect, and claims asche is likely to be marlboroza.

I have no doubt that you are Dean (thanks to the evidence that RHavar provided).

Quoting devans, I'm not a judge, nor am I the internet police. My opinion doesn't matter. People are smart and are free to make their own assumptions. All I will say is, for the intents and purposes of this discussion, which to me is nothing but entertainment since I have no stakes in the situation, I have no doubt that you are Dean (thanks to the evidence that RHavar provided). If I did have some stake in the matter, or if I was in a jury, then I'd probably have a closer look, but since that's not the case, and seeing that I don't have a burning desire to waste time on scammers like you guys, I'll pass on that.

irrefutable LOL, btw I enjoyed your youtube video was A+ well done.

In any case, you should probably consider removing what has been proven a scam site from your profile signature...

Proven  ;D good one

That's funny, coming from someone who claims JollyGood is game-protect, and claims asche is likely to be marlboroza.

You have no red trust from any DT-member. JollyGood is excluded by 2 DT1-members:

BillyBurns (aka GNIKTEB on BetKing as seen on the screenshot) appears to be an admin/moderator on BetKing. His name is red in chat, and so is Dean's. (https://i.imgur.com/gIUM8S0.png) All normal player names are blue. I think it's more likely that he is someone hired by Dean. (program choice is weird though; why Windscribe & ProtonVPN?)

Looks like someone logged in to wrong account.

Likely alt.
Perhaps BetKing.io should change that negative on my trust page and edit it with "likely alt of asche"  :D
Looks like someone logged in to wrong account.

Btw, BillyBurns recently sent positive trust this to scammer:

https://i.imgur.com/WTczhQM.png

Well come then, explain everything. How much did the ICO bring in, $6.5 million in Total funds raised:

1,046.60623397 BTC
4,614.61055431 ETH
833.38469263 LTC

Provide a step by step breakdown of where funds went from there.

Where is the need?
Why should I explain to you when you've spent a year on this smear campaign?
Why should I explain to any of the DT members here when they were so quick to label it a scam when they had no evidence and didn't invest in the ICO themselves?
Why should I explain to any trolls who just ignore what I say (all questions have been answered at some point in the past year but you ignored them or twisted my words).

Where are the people who I should explain to? Where are the people who feel that the site is a scam?
If I had scammed $6.5 million there should be hundreds of people posting in here demanding money back.
Where are they?
There isn't anyone.

All of you just proved that the forum is toxic and none of you should be trusted or have your opinions or views taken seriously.

Continue on with your circus. It means nothing. We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going. That's who should be getting the attention.

Well Dean claims he has people working for him, so it's certainly possible BillyBurns is one. I do find it rather unlikely that he's some unbiased observer though :P

He went broke trading alt coins, according to him he was tired of alt coiners making more gains than him so he started trading and he got liquidated for everything, this is not a lie I was told to keep hush but I ain't letting this dude get away with another scam, my 30k is long gone. Now the interesting thing  is to speculate is if he used ico funds to gamble on is bitmmex acc or otc trades. Fromm y point of view since the inception of Ico it seems he is doing everything in his power for it to fail.

Thanks for negative trust. See how willingly you gave it to me, what is the reason?

Where are the people who I should explain to?

We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going.

Why should I explain to any of the DT members here when they were so quick to label it a scam when they had no evidence and didn't invest in the ICO themselves?

What do you think?

One of them created this thread.

@Loyce, as token holder, are you happy the way how things are going?

Because someone is still holding tokens because you promised price of token will never drop https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122856.msg50269606#msg50269606
And some other things which have been repeated dozen times but you have never addressed them so I don't see point in repeating them..

@Loyce, as token holder, are you happy the way how things are going?

however he excluded LoyceV from that buy-back

I don't think he's Dean but if you look at my post history I quoted a post from him where he was fed up with him and implied he's a scammer. It didn't take long for him to go from that to defending him. That could be for whatever reason...

Edit: here

No. And I don't believe that many tokens holders will be happy. They owned a part of BetKing.io, which is going to close. Swapping tokens for a token worth 99% less doesn't make sense, but they are given no choice. Whatever new project is started, old token holders see their share diluted by 90%.

The logical and fair thing to do, would have been to let token holders choose: a 100% buyback, or a token swap.

To be fair, I've been included in the earlier quarterly buybacks (before they ended).

Yeah I did say that and Dean saw that post and emailed me and I talked to him. All the information I was getting was  speculation since nobody had any proof, I was angry at the time and came in here spewing because I was mad. When Dean emailed me I told him i was mad that the site seemed to be regressing games taken away, chat removed, exchange was made it seemed only for us to dump on  it really did seem at the time he was sabotaging the site. He told me changes were coming and he is working as hard as he can to make it right. I told him I hope that was true, then a few weeks went buy and I noticed changes, site was looking the best it ever had, he even was answering noobs  questions, chat came back. That was good enough for me to see that things were going in the right direction for once. Then I came back here and started reading all this non sense by all these users who don't know the difference between "Proof" and "speculation" and state "Opinions" as "Facts" all day everyday for a very long time.

 It's funny to me, all these troll accounts act as if they care for the players or investors, but from what I have seen going on the people hurting the investors the most are the troll accounts here that are spreading "speculations" as :Truths:. Does anyone here think Dean is altering the rolls? Does Anyone here think he will exit scam on the current crowd funded bankroll? Does anybody here think Dean is to incompetent  to secure player funds?

The issue here, in my opinion, is not the fact that he's trying now. It's the fact that from what I see investors are simply getting way worse of a deal than what it used to be. This seems pretty clear wouldn't you think? Instead of getting quarterly buy backs (which were assumed to be a certain price) you're getting what now? Dean says nobody lost anything but the fact that you're only able to either wait or sell for a MASSIVE loss... that seems like losing to me.

Also Dean seems to just simply be dodging some of the questions. Like how did the value drop if there were no massive wins on the site and what not?

I'm more of a bystander here and I've been observing all of this quite a bit but none of my money is at stake so take that as you please.

The issue here, in my opinion, is not the fact that he's trying now. It's the fact that from what I see investors are simply getting way worse of a deal than what it used to be. This seems pretty clear wouldn't you think? Instead of getting quarterly buy backs (which were assumed to be a certain price) you're getting what now? Dean says nobody lost anything but the fact that you're only able to either wait or sell for a MASSIVE loss... that seems like losing to me.

Also Dean seems to just simply be dodging some of the questions. Like how did the value drop if there were no massive wins on the site and what not?

I'm more of a bystander here and I've been observing all of this quite a bit but none of my money is at stake so take that as you please.

An update .... with great pleasure and great delight I feel happy to present the latest Trust ratings for the 4 user names in the OP associated with scammer Dean Nolan that represent the betking scam:


http://i65.tinypic.com/x52ihy.png


http://i66.tinypic.com/2iw8ubq.png


http://i66.tinypic.com/k34tn8.png


http://i63.tinypic.com/2dha7er.png


 ;D



Accounts involved
BetKing.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=565024) (-254)
BetKing Support (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1055046) (-128)
PocketRocketsCasino (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=97219) (-126)
dean nolan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941114) (-64)

Where is the need?
Why should I explain to you when you've spent a year on this smear campaign?
Why should I explain to any of the DT members here when they were so quick to label it a scam when they had no evidence and didn't invest in the ICO themselves?
Why should I explain to any trolls who just ignore what I say (all questions have been answered at some point in the past year but you ignored them or twisted my words).

Where are the people who I should explain to? Where are the people who feel that the site is a scam?
If I had scammed $6.5 million there should be hundreds of people posting in here demanding money back.
Where are they?
There isn't anyone.

All of you just proved that the forum is toxic and none of you should be trusted or have your opinions or views taken seriously.

Continue on with your circus. It means nothing. We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going. That's who should be getting the attention.

The fact is, you owe anyone who asks an explanation. Yes some are trolls but that doesn't matter. It's not like they're asking for your home address and want to visit you. They're asking legit questions. Where's the money, where's the buy backs, where are the massive wins to cause a huge drop in the token price? All legit questions whether coming from trolls or not

Answer the questions and put the shit to bed. Getting pissed off will solve nothing and make the situation worse.

Maybe you care maybe you don't but your actions define who you are and who the site is

I'm mobile so forgive the massive quote. Harder to edit and clip out the shit I want this way.

Dean I have never had an issue with you to this point but in response to why should you explain anything to anyone, the answer is to protect your reputation.

The fact is, you owe anyone who asks an explanation. Yes some are trolls but that doesn't matter. It's not like they're asking for your home address and want to visit you. They're asking legit questions. Where's the money, where's the buy backs, where are the massive wins to cause a huge drop in the token price? All legit questions whether coming from trolls or not

Answer the questions and put the shit to bed. Getting pissed off will solve nothing and make the situation worse.

Maybe you care maybe you don't but your actions define who you are and who the site is

These questions have all been answered many times over the past year. They just go ignored or have my words twisted to suit their narrative.
Where's the money? Been explained many many times and the people who it matters to most are very well aware of how the business operates.
Where's the buybacks? Been explained, they happen every day on the site.
Where's the massive wins causing huge drop in token price? See there's where you took their claims as fact. This never happened.

No point in even visiting here is there?

Oh no, red trust that means nothing on a cesspit of a forum full of scammers, liars and trolls.

Conclusion -  You guys all out for a witch hunt and it's clearly obvious you all want to see Dean fail and find anything bad you can out about him, not to help other people not help yourself but only see him suffer.

Fair enough. I'll agree I don't have enough evidence to say you're Dean, and there were several things I noticed in the screenshot that I wouldn't have expected of Dean. Would you be willing to disclose your working relationship with him (i.e. are you an employee of his)?

I'm not a employee. I am a original ico investor who mods his forum. I was also a mod for his forum like 2 years ago. I have never been paid a cent from Dean other than profit from investment in site roll pre ico.

Have you lost money in Dean's ICO?

If i sell tokens at current price on exchange yes.
If I hold and wait I may
If I hold and wait I might not

This is the problem with these trolls, you consider that pretty irrefutable proof... When your making some pretty big accusations. I would hate for your opinion to be at the hands of another human being on trial. You don't have the ability to look at things objectively, you want Dean to be me so you will let your subjective feelings cloud your judgement. This post by you show's that your claims should have little credability in the future.

I would like to apologize to BillyBurns (and Dean) for accusing them of being the same person. I believe I was incorrect, and was wrong to be so rash, and should have talked to them in private before I posted. I was also incorrect in how I analyzed the timezones: I made the mistake of believing the bet timestamp was in UTC but it was actually in local time. Therefor they are in clearly different timezones.

Based on this, would you say: "no one has lost any money" to be a fair and honest statement?

BillyBurns (aka GNIKTEB on BetKing as seen on the screenshot) appears to be an admin/moderator on BetKing. His name is red in chat, and so is Dean's. (https://i.imgur.com/gIUM8S0.png) All normal player names are blue. I think it's more likely that he is someone hired by Dean. (program choice is weird though; why Windscribe & ProtonVPN?)

I have come to accept that when it comes to betking  - expect the unexpected.

As you rightly pointed out BillyBurns (GNIKTEB) is an admin or moderator on betking.

His staunch defence of anything betking related makes it clear he has more than just an interest in betking (that has not yet been divulged). Either he is hired or he is somebody volunteering - either way he is a representative of betking

I would like to apologize to BillyBurns (and Dean) for accusing them of being the same person. I believe I was incorrect, and was wrong to be so rash, and should have talked to them in private before I posted. I was also incorrect in how I analyzed the timezones: I made the mistake of believing the bet timestamp was in UTC but it was actually in local time. Therefor they are in clearly different timezones.

The "you didn't lose money if you didn't sell" narrative doesn't add up, tho. Your coins are always worth their face value, and if that value is down 99%, you lost 99% of your "investment" (maybe not permanently, though).

People have lost the value of what people  think betking is worth but no I don't think they lost any money until the site is closed down.

For example I invested in both Betking and Bitdice Ico, despite how bad everyone thinks betking has performed bitdice aint doing all that great either, token price 0.025 my dividend payments might have made me like 1 eth in over a year despite investment being much larger than 1eth, and I think a lot of people were able to get 40% of their investment back from betking if they did buyback ( I never did a buyback) if I sold my bitdice tokens and added in dividends I woudn't even be at 40% of my investment back.

Bizarre. People who did sell tokens and actually lost money apparently don't count (because they voluntarily sold, or something). And people who haven't sold, still haven't lost any money (despite them would if the ever needed to)?

So basically, you're saying the only way token-holders can lose money is if the site closes down?


I don't think there's a way to have a productive discussion with someone who argues that "not a single person lost any money" on a token that nose-dived ~99%.



This really seems like misdirection. No one is attacking Dean for being a bad investment, they're attacking it for repeatedly lying and dishonest. The simple undeniable truth is Dean used his personal reputation to create and back BKB to give him personal exposure to bitcoin. He repeatedly sold it as an instrument to protect against bitcoin price going down (up until including shortly before he cancelled the promise, trying several times to pitch it to me knowing I'm stupidly heavily into btc). He milked it all the way when bitcoin price was doing well, and literally the second things turned around he renegs. To the best of my knowledge, he sold ~6.5M dollars worth of BKB, not bought a *single* one back at above the ICO price  (and claimed to have hit something like 70% buybacks or something?).

I think the only thing left to do is play with semantics ("you haven't lost unless you sell!") "It's not Dean's problem if you sell at a loss" and "he's not a scammer because he wasn't intending on scamming! He only did it cause it was profitable. But to be a scammer, that has to have been your intention".

I don't think there's a way to have a productive discussion with someone who continues to ignore everything I say and just make assumptions

"To the best of my knowledge, he sold ~6.5M dollars worth of BKB, not bought a *single* one back at above the ICO price "

Yet I have stated many times I bought back 600 Bitcoin worth of BKB, all above ICO price btw, which is why I held 70% before the launch of the new platform.

So is anyone going to actually post evidence here instead of just making assumptions and twisting words or just straight up lying?

Yet I have stated many times I bought back 600 Bitcoin worth of BKB, all above ICO price btw, which is why I held 70% before the launch of the new platform.

And then after that, you started buying them back at hugely under the ICO price in both USD and Bitcoin.

Where's do you get that idea from?

Ok. I give up. This conversation has gotten unproductive. You just finished trying to argue that you didn't "cancel buybacks" because they were still going (under completely and far worse terms) which are happening ~1% of the official buy-back price. If there was a disingenuous award, you'd clearly win it.


Anyway, I think it's pretty much telling that the only people who will come to your defence are BillyBurns who is clearly not a "normal" user and a bunch of newbie accounts that are offered BKB tokens to post on bitcointalk.


So I guess everyone can clearly see what a scammer you are. Good luck with your next ICO scam (bitsafe was it?), you might want to create a new identity though if you want to scam people, as "Dean Nolan" is a bit tarnished now and people will see it coming.

Ok. I give up. This conversation has gotten unproductive. You just finished trying to argue that you didn't "cancel buybacks" because they were still going (under completely and far worse terms) which are happening ~1% of the official buy-back price. If there was a disingenuous award, you'd clearly win it.


Anyway, I think it's pretty much telling that the only people who will come to your defence are BillyBurns who is clearly not a "normal" user and a bunch of newbie accounts that are offered BKB tokens to post on bitcointalk.


So I guess everyone can clearly see what a scammer you are. Good luck with your next ICO scam (bitsafe was it?), you might want to create a new identity though if you want to scam people, as "Dean Nolan" is a bit tarnished now and people will see it coming.

Which almost everyone in terms of amount BKB held the $ value of the BKB I didn't own is in favour of and has willingly swapped to BKT and gave support.
So those people were scammed?

Good luck with your next ICO scam (bitsafe was it?), you might want to create a new identity though if you want to scam people, as "Dean Nolan" is a bit tarnished now and people will see it coming.

Future of BKB and BetKing
 
BetKing will be moving away from gambling and rebranding to become a Bitcoin bank, exchange and payment processor.
 
We have already began work on this and we will launch in q1 of 2019. See https://bitsafe.io for more details and a working demo of the app.
 
Once the new site is live BKB will be converted to BTSC (BitSafe Coin) automatically using the exchange rate of both tokens at the time.
 
BTSC has similar utility to BKB in that it can be used to pay trade fees, merchant fees and any other fees on the BitSafe platform.
 
BitSafe will also use 40% of it's quarterly profit to buy back BTSC on the BitSafe exchange.
 
We believe these changes are best for BKB token holders and our future success together.

We are moving our token to the EOS platform and doing an airdrop to EOS token holders allowing us to reach a whole new market of players.

Existing BKB holders will be able to convert BKB for the new token.
 
​We are launching a new exchange, design and games as well as hourly leaderboard promos and hourly dividends to token holders.
 
We feel these changes combine the best of traditional off chain crytpo casinos with new on chain DApp based games and provide a whole new unique product.

For full details on all the changes, how the new token works read the whitepaper here for all the details.
 
https://medium.com/@BetKingIO/betking-eos-airdrop-whitepaper-f2834324d57c

On November 30, 2018, I received a "Latest news" email from BetKing:

On January 28, 2019, I received another email from BetKing:
I didn't realize until now that these are different tokens!

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You've given many different pieces of incomplete information, and sometimes change posts afterwards.

so let's focus on who you directly scammed, which was token holders (like LoyceV).

I see absolutely no proof presented from anyone that I scammed token holders, including LoyceV

I kinda wanted to give this post 50 Merit, and lock the thread. This post nicely summarizes your stance.
Instead, I've just archived (https://archive.is/OWXtK#selection-41789.0-41789.94) it.
It's quite normal for the defendant to deny everything, despite overwhelming evidence.
I don't think this topic has much more to offer. You have the red trust you deserve to warn others, I have my worthless tokens.

I don't think this topic has much more to offer. You have the red trust you deserve to warn others, I have my worthless tokens.

The entire setup appears asinine, and subjects everyone to unnecessary risks. I don't understand why a percentage of bankroll profits would not be converted to etherum, or a stablecoin that could be airdropped to token holders in the form of a dividend. A market may develop for these tokens to capture the anticipated future cash flows of the dividends.

My question to betking would be: Were 10% of outstanding tokens offered to be repurchased at a price described above? If not, I believe you have not honored your obligations.

Had I bought the betking ~million dollars of  tokens you privately offered me, would've your honored the buyback agreement? Or would've my tokens been treated the same as everyone else's?

You're asking if a business would be different or change it's roadmap if 4-5 months ago it raised an extra $1 million in investment? What do you think the answer is?

My question to betking would be: Were 10% of outstanding tokens offered to be repurchased at a price described above? If not, I believe you have not honored your obligations.

Well, you can see my trust feedback for my opinion. But the misdirection is kind of killing me. You wanted a personal loan (either directly, or via BKB tokens). And promised to pay it back personally. You claimed to have systems in place to automatically sell BTC to guarantee your obligation to token-holders, even if there was a sudden and expected BTC price fall. The million dollars would've had no utility to the business. Anyway, I'm never going to prove you tried to scam me. So why don't you answer the simple and direct questions asked of you?

Here's a good one:

So you say you can't prove i tried to scam you but leave a scam accusation anyway? That doesn't seem right and seems to be abuse of the trust system.

The other question can't be answered because PrimeNumber7 posted wrong information on how the ico, token value and buy back process worked.

How about you post the right information instead of complaining how everyone is wrong without any information on HOW they are wrong?

Much appreciated...

How about you read my posts and you would know the information?
What makes you think you are entitled to any information about a competitors business? You're not an investor are you?

How about you focus on your own site that raised $8-10 million and has not done any updates in the past year while your own token price has dropped 40%?

You're asking if a business would be different or change it's roadmap if 4-5 months ago it raised an extra $1 million in investment? What do you think the answer is?

How about you post the right information instead of complaining how everyone is wrong without any information on HOW they are wrong?

Much appreciated...

How about you read my posts and you would know the information?
What makes you think you are entitled to any information about a competitors business? You're not an investor are you?

How about you focus on your own site that raised $8-10 million and has not done any updates in the past year while your own token price has dropped 40%?

@PrimeNumber7 your analysis looks very accurate


The problem is the name "betking ico" is a bit misleading. It was designed (and privately marketed) more as: "Dean Nolan's USD denominated debt token" but instead of offering any interest rate he offered a % of the site bankroll profit he would provide % of the bankroll profits. All costs associated with operating the site would be purely taken care of him. (this was done so "% of bankroll profits" is strictly +EV and investors didn't need to trust his ability to run a profitable business).

e.g. Just before he scammed everyone he told me he had some poker debts (in USD) and didn't want to lose his exposure to BTC. So I should buy a large sum of BKB tokens, which he would give me at a crazy favorable rate (something like 30% under their face-value, although I'd need to consult our chat logs to be sure) and would even provide me with an accelerated buy-back schedule.  [If anyone is wondering why I keep presenting a slightly different version, it's cause he made like ~5 attempts for me to give him money just before he scammed. Each i knocked back telling him I was unwilling to accept counter party risk by him, but would be willing to in an escrowed deal, which was something he would never agree to)]

This set off a huge amount of alarm-bells, why would he be willing to acquire BTC exposure ridiculously higher than market rate (e.g. bitmex) and then confirmed my suspicions by scamming his remaining token-holders.

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The other question can't be answered because PrimeNumber7 posted wrong information on how the ico, token value and buy back process worked.

Can you explain how I was wrong? I do not want to keep incorrect information up, and will correct any mistakes that are noted.

Right now, the facts as understood by nearly everyone in this thread, and probably by most reasonable people reading this thread show you to be a scammer and as not honoring your obligations. If you can correct the record, then you should have an easier time conducting business if the record shows you have honored your obligations, and would probably result in you earning more profits.

I saw you talk about this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893439.msg50234180#msg50234180) in a previous post, and you said that you have a "hard-requirement of not exposing (yourself) to counterparty risk" and I wanted to point out that having Dean deposit the bitcoin collateral with a reputable escrow would expose you to counterparty risk with the escrow. I agree it is not a good idea to expose yourself to counterparty risk to someone offering an "instant" 42% return. It also is maybe a good policy to not expose yourself to counterparty risk to anyone who approaches you with a business proposal over a threshold. 

You ask me to explain how you are wrong AFTER you post more assumptions and false information? Are you serious?

The facts by people in this thread? The people who are posting false claims with no evidence and ulterior motives?

The burdon of proof is not on me to show innocence here, I am the one being accused. The accusers should show hard evidence instead of biased opinions.
You have shown to fit that same category and so there's not really any point me discussing or explaining to you either. Your mind is clearly already made up.

When are you launching the next scam ICO for your "bitsafe" project?

will be launching the new project along with ico soon enough

e.g. Just before he scammed everyone he told me he had some poker debts (in USD) and didn't want to lose his exposure to BTC. So I should buy a large sum of BKB tokens

Will the tokens that are bought back by BetKing be re-sold again at some point, or are they off the market forever?

They won't be re-sold no.

To save the risk of trading on hitbtc or with any potential scammers on telegram you can buy BKB directly on BetKing with 25% discount
https://betking.io/invest
(archived (https://archive.is/vaMFK#selection-1673.81-1673.135))

The burdon of proof is not on me to show innocence here, I am the one being accused. The accusers should show hard evidence instead of biased opinions.

My question:
BetKing.io's answer (archived (https://archive.is/kPG44#selection-6897.0-6897.25)):
That promise was broken a year later:

At the ICO, Dean said the BKB tokens wouldn't be sold again.
My question:
BetKing.io's answer (archived (https://archive.is/kPG44#selection-6897.0-6897.25)):
That promise was broken a year later:

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As the accuser, I don't have to convince the accused. That didn't work before making this thread. This thread was meant to convince others, not you. You're clearly denying (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122856.msg50285839#msg50285839) everything.

At the ICO, Dean said the BKB tokens wouldn't be sold again.
My question:
BetKing.io's answer (archived (https://archive.is/kPG44#selection-6897.0-6897.25)):
That promise was broken a year later:

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As the accuser, I don't have to convince the accused. That didn't work before making this thread. This thread was meant to convince others, not you. You're clearly denying (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122856.msg50285839#msg50285839) everything.

Should I be surprised once some foolproof information against Dean was provided he isn't here to respond? Good job there LoyceV, that's clearly something he can't even deny imo.

https://betking.io/exchange doesn't have any buy orders at BTC-BKT. There are buy orders at LTC-BKT, with the last price being 0.000001 LTC per BKT.
That means my 7278 BKB are worth 145563 BKT which is worth 0.145 LTC which equals $8.21. That's close to a 99% drop from the fixed pegged in dollar price BetKing guaranteed at it's ICO.
I should have been able to sell back 10% quarterly at a rate pegged in dollar, meaning around $70 for the first quarter, $63 the next quarter and so on.

BetKing Bankroll Token
Total Supply: 100,000,000 BKB
Holders: 385 addresses
Transfers: 2,178

You can give me -9999 trust all you want. Doesn't make a difference.

I see absolutely no proof presented from anyone that I scammed token holders, including LoyceV

The token value is calculated as:

I + (P /100,000,000)

Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $.

September 2017: 500 BTC, 2250 ETH & 425 LTC (over $3.25 million)[/size]

March 2019: 19 BTC, 278 ETH & 445 LTC (less than $150,000)

These numbers come from "Investor Stats". I can't tell if any of the ICO funds are used for bankroll now, it looks like the entire bankroll now comes from third parties.

The burdon of proof is not on me to show innocence here, I am the one being accused. The accusers should show hard evidence instead of biased opinions.
You have shown to fit that same category and so there's not really any point me discussing or explaining to you either. Your mind is clearly already made up.

It's actually not too bad. My suggestion was that we use an escrow-agent to create a 2-of-3 multisig address (Where I am one holder, dean is another and the escrow the third). We would both commit enough funds into the multi sig-address (and keep it topped up) and have public payout addresses. Dean preliminarily agreed, so I talked to some extremely prominent members of the bitcoin community who agreed to escrow the deal. But that rapidly fell apart with nonsense excuses and kept offering amendments such that would break rule from the start: I am not going to enter a deal where I need to trust him with a million dollars.

I have to agree that JollyGood looks like he is pursuing a smear campaign against you and your business. It was in part because of this that when I started writing my first post in this thread, it was defending you, however once I worked through the details my opinion changed against you.

betking bankroll status immediately after the ICO compared with today:


September 2017: 500 BTC, 2250 ETH & 425 LTC (over $3.25 million)

March 2019: 19 BTC, 278 ETH & 445 LTC (less than $150,000)


Complete mismanagement and disastrous decision making by scammer Dean Nolan has led betking to the verge being shut down.

All his behavior clearly confirms that he collected at best crypto currencies worth $300,000 September 2017 and nowhere near $ millions as he false and misleading claims!

Stating false investment numbers to attract other potential victims is investment fraud!

I was affiliate for this scam project and checked his scam website regularly and can confirm that he behaved like having not more than $300,000 on hand. I can not speak for the bankroll, but for building his scam casino website and marketing he behaved like a small child having $50,000 on hand! :D

For months only Dice was running, but if you have millions you will have introduced everything within a few months. You also will not start offering poker with leaderboard prices and thereafter remove it. With millions on hand you will built up a successful online casino, with only $300,000 on hand and incompetent of course not! ::)

Where is proof that these amounts were collected and where is proof that the bankroll was $3.25 million?

Also, in the meantime the price of crypto currencies increased for some hundred percent and therefore the bankroll would have been $3.25 million x 3 $9.75 million.

But if a clown has a bankroll of $9.75 million, why does he offer only a joking dice service?

And why scam affiliates if he has $ millions?

It more looks like that he was close to broke and tried to scam wherever he could! :D

He also told LoyceV that the drop in price is partly his fault because he did not "promote" betking... Pathetic.

Why have you given me negative trust for being an alt of an account used to run an old site?
Even your reference shows me telling people that.
That is not an offence or any reason to have a negative review.

I'll drop this here so I don't have to keep this garbage in my PM folder:

will be launching the new project along with ico soon enough

There was no agenda for a smear campaign against betking or against scammer Dean Nolan.

Apparently Dean is now telling people that it is a misconception that he promised the terms of buy-backs in the first place. He seems to be claiming people who used them as a USD hedge were misunderstanding the terms of ICO.

If anyone has the time, could they help compile a list of quotes of where Dean publicly stated the buy-back policy or endorsed investors understanding of it (especially regarding it being a USD hedge)?

I've seen so many scammers try to change their story to convince new victims they're just misunderstood so they can scam more people.

No one lost money in this (except me).
They claim to know people who say they have lost money but none of them have posted and none of them have been in contact with me which I'm sure if they did actually lose money or felt they had they would be in contact.

If he has the BKB he can't have lost money. If he sells or trades it and sells at a low price now then he would lose money but that would be his decision and I have explained how the new system works and that he should wait.
Instead he wants attention and just shouts scam (note Loyce didn't even buy tokens in the ico, he got them from bounty)
But it is not the concern of anyone in this forum who didn't own BKB from the original ICO.

Tbh i don't understand the point of this, before betking.io you had a different dice site with a bankroll of 1-2 million "i think" i don't know why you closed that and started an ico offering such a large amount of profits, and the old site had more players then you do now.

So i can't understand how you went from "successful" to "losing money"

All profit made on bankrolled games will be audited

A short summary (by heart) from other topics: Dean was tired of running the site by himself, even though it was very profitable at the moment. He tried to sell it several times, but asked for too much, and eventually closed it to do something else.

By Dean's own claims he earned more than 1000 Bitcoin from the ICO and bought back BKB tokens for 600 Bitcoin. Dean will claim I don't know what I'm talking about, but he also doesn't give detailed information.
I've read speculation of Dean losing it in trading, but that's just speculation.

To quote Dean:
I haven't seen any audit.

but none of them have posted and none of them have been in contact with me which I'm sure if they did actually lose money or felt they had they would be in contact.

Tbh i don't understand the point of this, before betking.io you had a different dice site with a bankroll of 1-2 million "i think" i don't know why you closed that and started an ico offering such a large amount of profits, and the old site had more players then you do now.

and before that you had pocketrocketscasino which wasn't no where near as big as these two, but imo it had the most potential. the "be the house feature" it was like moneypot 3-4 years before it was even created, and they where really popular in the beginning before they made a bunch of bad decisions.

So i can't understand how you went from "successful" to "losing money"


I'm sure if they did actually lose money or felt they had they would be in contact.

I joined the signature campaign and ill admit i entered the username wrong or something i don't remember, but i couldn't link my btctalk account. and just to be clear "linking my btctalk may be wrong" this was so long ago i'm not sure how it worked all i know is i read the instructions, saw i mistyped something and couldn't change it.  I wrote you 3 emails and didn't get a reply. i still had the betking avatar and sig on my account for 5-6 months and never got one reply.


Country restrictions
it's also shitty that "united states was banned 1-2months after launch"
i'm sure running 2 previous casinos you where aware of any legal troubles, that you could have investigated before launch.

So i'm sure you already knew that you where going to do this, and kept this information from investors, a big decision factor for investing in the ico.

BetKing announced their Bounty Program by email on March 20:

Today, Burst Dice! 1000 dice rolls in just couple seconds!  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143001.0) (archived (https://archive.is/YoXFt)) was opened, and several including including Newbies and senior accounts are shilling for BetKing.
I instantly received red feedback from 2 of them (archived direct link (https://archive.is/UPLLp#selection-823.0-859.103)).

I wouldn't be surprised if the shills are getting paid (in worthless tokens, Lol :D):
Even though the bounty program is officially closed, I find it hard to believe so many users are all of a sudden endorsing a website that barely has any users.

For contractual violations only, a scammer flag can be created. This is the only thing which causes the "Warning: trade with extreme caution" warning to return. It also triggers a banner similar to the newbie-warning banner which is visible to all users. A scammer flag requires 3 more supporting users than opposing users to become active.

A new scammer flag should be created for each separate alleged incident. In the spirit of forgiveness/redemption, scammer flags expire 3 years after the incident if the contract was casual/implied, and 10 years after the incident if the contract was written.

I'm not sure when exactly the buybacks stopped (and my Withdrawal History was removed).

I brought this up almost 2 years ago. This is what BetKing.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=565024) answered:
(archived (https://archive.is/bxDrO#selection-3095.0-3097.43))

On my honor, I affirm the following: 1) This user violated a written contract, resulting in damages; 2) I have not been made whole by the user; 3) no existing flag covers this same incident; 4) this incident is accurately and completely described in the above topic; 5) the incident occurred roughly in the month given above. Furthermore, I promise to withdraw my support for this flag if this user makes me whole in the future.

Flags
Flag on BetKing.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=41)
Flag on BetKing Support (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=42)
Flag on PocketRocketsCasino (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=43)
Flag on dean nolan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=44)

 Look this forum is dying and it's filled with corrupt people like yourselves who have banded together to make false claims and assumptions based on no facts. All the people who came to Deans defense were not payed anything. I have explained this and many other things that you state as facts that are lies or assumptions and you just ignore them, and repeat it or block me. All you have done is tarnish Deans reputation with your lies and make it harder for investors to recuperate funds back, which is ironic since you act like you been concerned for their well being or even players well being, yet not 1 single player has anything bad to say. At the end of the day you have spent hundreds of hours and days  spreading lies to fuck everyone over. I hope you get what you deserve eventually!

He went broke trading alt coins, according to him he was tired of alt coiners making more gains than him so he started trading and he got liquidated for everything, this is not a lie I was told to keep hush but I ain't letting this dude get away with another scam, my 30k is long gone. Now the interesting thing  is to speculate is if he used ico funds to gamble on is bitmmex acc or otc trades. Fromm y point of view since the inception of Ico it seems he is doing everything in his power for it to fail.

It is the accusers job to prove, you show me proof, I don't have to do shit amigo.

Unfortunately, that's the problem. You're not willing to accept the proof and you aren't willing to refute it. So what, stalemate?

Are you willing to at least address your post? Why would you call it a scam and then a few months later start abhorring scam accusations?

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And you're okay with the buybacks being canceled.
Despite it being displayed on the ICO page.
Despite there not being any stipulation stating that it could/would be removed.
Despite having the resulting price of BKT be less than 50% of your original buy-in price.
Despite Dean stating that buybacks would continue both on and off-forum.
Despite the price calculation of tokens being a large part of the ICO.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg51398125#msg51398125

and Dean came from good place when he bought unhappy people out, your basically arguing that in any  shape or form Betking investors should not have lost anything despite how poorly the site did, so your basically mad because people didn't get a risk free investment. Show me where I can find risk free investment?

And you're okay with the buybacks being canceled.
Despite it being displayed on the ICO page.
Despite there not being any stipulation stating that it could/would be removed.
Despite having the resulting price of BKT be less than 50% of your original buy-in price.
Despite Dean stating that buybacks would continue both on and off-forum.
Despite the price calculation of tokens being a large part of the ICO.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg51398125#msg51398125

I will just drop this on top of that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2897545.msg47592095#msg47592095
And there was something about canceling wagering contest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg51402586#msg51402586) and scamming gamblers.

I can only imagine someone winning national lottery and they say - "you have won $100M but we decided that we don't give a fuck about that. Here you go, a dollar. Now buzz off."

mismanaging doesn't = scam

Poker failed
Advertising failed
and Dean came from good place when he bought unhappy people out, your basically arguing that in any  shape or form Betking investors should not have lost anything despite how poorly the site did, so your basically mad because people didn't get a risk free investment. Show me where I can find risk free investment?

I'm done with you guys, your forum is corrupt! You all lie! You All make assumptions that fit your narrative that your riding! You ain't hurting Dean at all, your just hurting investors in ICO! Dude ain't even trying to make a freaking penny , he wants us to be made hole!

This billyburns side-kick of serial scammer Dean Nolan seems to have cyber equivalent of Stockholm syndrome.

Poker failed
Advertising failed

^^^


ICO promises failed.
Wagering contest failed.
Buying bustabit script failed.
Screwing token holders - chiching!

@LoyceV, because Dean broke ICO deal, you will have to wait some time for token to reach 4.4X and then, when you sell it, you will break even. Dean will tell you when that will happen.

I'm done with you guys, your forum is corrupt! You all lie! You All make assumptions that fit your narrative that your riding! You ain't hurting Dean at all, your just hurting investors in ICO! Dude ain't even trying to make a freaking penny , he wants us to be made hole!

@marlboroza I think Loyce sold his BKB or swapped them for BKT before selling them. I am sure he can confirm but he made a fraction of what he should have had before serial scammer Dean Nolan decided to destroy betking post-ICO

On my honor, I affirm the following: 1) This user violated a written contract, resulting in damages; 2) I have not been made whole by the user; 3) no existing flag covers this same incident; 4) this incident is accurately and completely described in the above topic; 5) the incident occurred roughly in the month given above. Furthermore, I promise to withdraw my support for this flag if this user makes me whole in the future.

Correct. I got out of this debacle. BKB tokens would expire soon if I wouldn't swap them, so I swapped and sold them.
When I opened this topic, my BKB tokens would have been worth close to 0.2 BTC based on the ICO promises. I got about 0.0045 BTC for them.

The nice but also tricky thing about Flags (unlike trust) is that I promised this:
If BetKing were to things right with me, I have to withdraw my support for the Flag.

I want BillyBurns to put his money where his mouth is and start opposing the flags. Currently, none of the accounts' flags have any opposition.

I wonder why.

He already suffers from Stockholm syndrome. The way he posts here defending the very same serial scammer that stole his ICO investment as well as other millions from the betking investors and winners alike, shows he is not thinking rationally. Serial scammer Dean Nolan has sold a sob story and he believes it.

There can be no real defence of serial scammer Dean Nolan, there might just be one or two who participate in an act or charade. It will be interesting to see who (if anybody) decides to defend betking and its serial scammer owner Dean Nolan against the accusations that Loyce has so fantastically listed in the flags.

Not so sure that he believes it at all. I find it very unlikely. They seem to retreat when they run out of options and come back to attack arbitrarily.

Anyone who truly disagrees and thinks that BetKing is not untrustworthy should oppose the flag.

One of the arguments serial scammer Dean Nolan used as an attempt to silence critics was that no investors or token holders were coming forward to complain, it was a lie of course as they did. However, the same counter-argument can be made here.... why is no token holder or investor coming out and fighting the flags against serial scammer Dean Nolan?

AFAIK there was an investor group of fairly-large holders of BKB. They were planning a class action suit but I'm not sure where that went.

Disgruntled investors don't want to scare away the user that holds their funds. Given Dean's response to dissent, I'm surprised he held out as long as he did.

Game Protect was recently approached by an UK lawyer who is expert for Bitcoin enforcement and we likely can enforce the crypto currencies scam artist Dean Nolan has scammed!

https://i.imgur.com/Vlu3zKL.png

we just burned 168 million BKT
https://bloks.io/transaction/efb36622d5b6ddb6a426c51beaf1f6953861d91f5788cb9c55400f93eb0bd2ec

BKT deposits will be disabled on 1st of august.

BKB holders should stake their BKB to receive 30% of profit.

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These are just two links of many:

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122856.0


This post will be deleted by the serial scammer but please note betking is a scam operated by serial scammer Dean Nolan

Oh no, red trust that means nothing on a cesspit of a forum full of scammers, liars and trolls.

@Loyce - I didn't respond because your post has so many lies (posting jolly goods posts as evidence?) and assumptions you made wrongly (last buy back was a year ago?). You all twist my words every time I reply to anything and then use some random ambiguous claim as the start of your next smear campaign.

You can give me -9999 trust all you want. Doesn't make a difference.

If you had have stuck to a civil discussion by email then I could have easily explained everything to you and point our where you were wrong and how things worked and helped you but guess you needed the attention here.

It's a fact that a lot of old BetKing investors took their btc and invested in yolodice after betking closed in 2016. I was one of the the first to do it, ethan could confirm that.
Now, in 2019, yolo dice is closing investment. That means those coins wont be on yolo anymore.
So yes, I am saying that if people who were invested in yolodice now want to invest somewhere else AFTER yolodice closes investment then I would offer them a better commission deal.

The email to the 50 people was something totally different. You are shocked because you never read or understand anything I ever right, the same way you ignore all the things I reply in those other threads.

Serial scammer Dean Nolan is also up to his old sock-puppet tricks too

https://i.postimg.cc/1XD76B7M/bk2scam-Copy.png

Fake.
No one had invested 50 btc in the ico. And anyone who invested anywhere close to this knew everything about the site and my reputation before.
Nice try though

Accounts involved
BetKing.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=565024) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=565024) !!!:  +2 / =2 / -8) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/565024.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-07-13_Sat_08.22h/565024.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=BetKing.io))
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dean nolan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941114) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=941114) !!!:  +0 / =0 / -6) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-07-13_Sat_08.22h/941114.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=dean nolan))
Update:
Betking Manager (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3364966)

Yes, one of the victims can.

I created a new type 3 Flag, please support it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2810

never seen a scammy bookmaker like this one! no one should play here, it's a very trap.
I have already dozens of email due their infinite issues... with contests, tokens, everything.
everything designed just for scammed and just pathetic support. Flag supported!

Correct. I got out of this debacle. BKB tokens would expire soon if I wouldn't swap them, so I swapped and sold them.

The goal of this relaunch is to refund old ICO token holders.
15% of the site profit each month will go towards buying back old BKB tokens.

Quoting myself from 2 years ago:

And now this happens:
Dean said BKB tokens would expire 2 years ago, leaving the only option to exchange them for his (much more abundant) BKT tokens. And now Dean is saying he's buying back BKB tokens again. Let's just add it to the long list of shady actions.

I just realized Bitcoin is much higher again, so at the current exchange rate Dean would have to give back only a fraction of the BKB tokens' original Bitcoin value. He did that before, until the exchange rate didn't work in his favor.

And now this happens:
Dean said BKB tokens would expire 2 years ago, leaving the only option to exchange them for his (much more abundant) BKT tokens. And now Dean is saying he's buying back BKB tokens again. Let's just add it to the long list of shady actions.

Is there any evidence that Dean is in fact trying to make investors whole by buying the old BKB tokens?

If someone had sold at a low price, their claim would have transferred to whoever purchased their tokens.

Lol, that would be Dean himself! He told people that BKB tokens would expire, and should be exchanged for the BKT tokens he created. Not having them expire (and possibly buying them back from himself) is just shady.

That also means buying back BKB tokens doesn't make me whole: he broke his buy-back promise, which is what forced me to exchange the BKB tokens for other tokens.

I have to disagree with you on this one. If Dean unilaterally changed the terms of the BKB tokens, you would have a breach of contract claim against him.

If someone owes you money as evidenced by a bond, you cannot sell the said bond for a discount and expect the creditor to pay you the difference

I don't get why you disagree on this. Dean ended the quarterly buybacks, which broke the terms of the BKB tokens, which is a clear breach of contract, which is (the main reason) why I Flagged him.

No worries, I have no expectations left.

If the creditor fails to honor any repayment or repurchase obligations, as a holder of a debt obligation, you have a cause of action (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_of_action) against the creditor.

A holder of a debt obligation can be made whole by the creditor honoring their repayment or repurchase obligations. A holder of a debt obligation can also choose to settle their claims by accepting less than the total amount owed in exchange for a quick resolution and/or certainty they will receive a recovery. If you sell your debt obligation you are selling the right to receive a repayment (and to sell your debt obligation via repurchase) to the buyer, who can choose to settle if he so chooses.

On November 30, 2018, I received a "Latest news" email from BetKing:

On January 28, 2019, I received another email from BetKing:

A key part of the type of flag you opened is that there needs to be a way in which you can be made whole, and have the flag rescinded. Presumably, you want to receive the 99% of your initial investment that you lost.

If this happens, what happens to the buyer of your BKB?

At the ICO, Dean said the BKB tokens wouldn't be sold again.

This is an important part of contract law, and should be considered prior to supporting a flag involving a contract violation.

https://i.imgur.com/bhk4VNT.png (https://betking.io/?ref=btctalkthread)

Latest BKB/Bankroll Refunds: $10,000
15% of the sites monthly profit goes to refunding bankroll losses and buying back BKB.
If you had BKB tokens or bankroll losses you can view your latest refund stats at https://betking.io/refunds

BetKing.io Relaunched
https://betking.io

Currently only the classic dice game is live and can be played with BTC, ETH, LTC etc as well as BKB.

We are waiting on game providers re-activating our account so we can offer slots and casino games.

Information for token holders can be found here https://betking.io/token
Old token holders will see BKB in their balance.
BKB Pool payouts will start once the game providers are activated.

We are in the process of finding  a new person or team to manage and run the day to day operations. Get in touch if interested.

Any questions can be emailed to support@betking.io

He's baaaaackk



From betking tg channel:

In the end, he will run off again that is inevitable.

It's typical for broke casino's: trying to fake it till they make it. If it's profitable, he'll be "good and honest" again. But if it's not profitable, he has no money to pay anyone. So as a player, you can only lose.

If you had an account in 2017 but didn't have a balance in your account in 2019 your old account will not work. You would need to make a new one and then prove ownership of tokens.

The rate is $0.09128 yes, that was the price of the token after the ICO ended. Most investors bought the tokens cheaper in the earlier stages of the ICO.

I have 7278 BKB left, which (at $0.099 per BKB) was supposed to be worth just over $700. The last time BKB was traded for Bitcoin on betking.io's own exchange, it would have been worth around $2 in total.
Currently, the only option is to exchange 1 BKB for 20 BKT. BetKing claims hourly buy backs, but that's only with a part of the profit, at the rate on their own exchange. It doesn't do justice to the dollar value it was supposed to have.

https://betking.io/exchange doesn't have any buy orders at BTC-BKT. There are buy orders at LTC-BKT, with the last price being 0.000001 LTC per BKT.
That means my 7278 BKB are worth 145563 BKT which is worth 0.145 LTC which equals $8.21. That's close to a 99% drop from the fixed pegged in dollar price BetKing guaranteed at it's ICO.
I should have been able to sell back 10% quarterly at a rate pegged in dollar, meaning around $70 for the first quarter, $63 the next quarter and so on.

He is back posting in the forum again after yet another re-launch: BetKing.io Token Refunds - $44k refunded since going live again (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466246)

The goal of this relaunch is to refund old ICO token holders.
15% of the site profit each month will go towards buying back old BKB tokens.

Bump: the scammer is back with a self-moderated thread: BetKing.io is Closed. Balance recovery + BKT/BKB buyback plan. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201753.0).
It looks like he's planning his next scam, including Newbie sockpuppets vouching for him.

Dean said BKB tokens would expire 2 years ago, leaving the only option to exchange them for his (much more abundant) BKT tokens. And now Dean is saying he's buying back BKB tokens again. Let's just add it to the long list of shady actions.

If you still have your 7278 BKB from the 2017 Betking scam you should be able to get $664.34 compared to the approximate $700+ you were originally owed (according to the rates given above in the post).

Correct. I got out of this debacle. BKB tokens would expire soon if I wouldn't swap them, so I swapped and sold them.
When I opened this topic, my BKB tokens would have been worth close to 0.2 BTC based on the ICO promises. I got about 0.0045 BTC for them.

The question is, will he pay his debt to you?

Hi, I was one of the investors in the Betking ICO in 2017, possibly even one of the largest investors at the time. There have been many years of discussion about how things went wrong and what happened to the site.

I, like many people, have never known for sure what happened but I can confirm that I've started to see refunds for my tokens and this is the first time since the casino failure years ago that I had any refund. In about 3 months I've gotten back about 2% of my investment, but it's real money successfully withdrawn from the site. It's a hopeful sign because if I was made whole it would be absolutely life changing.

The Gambling board rules say: "One thread per site ONLY". This guy has 8 topics for the same website by now, including more than one on "buying back tokens".

Of course not, he's a scammer.

Update: I just got my full refund!  :o

Why is he advertising his "token refund" on the Gambling board anyway? The rules are One thread per site ONLY (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39621.0). I've reported his topic:

I was in doubt

But there's an user claimed he already get the refund

To gain attention, the topic should be moved to service discussion (altcoins) board.

To gain attention, the topic should be moved to service discussion (altcoins) board.