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What happened:: Hhampuz appears to have stolen ~0.54BTC (~$4,300 at the time) from the BestMixer campaign after he ended it.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125389.0;all
Amount Scammed: 0.54BTC

Proof of Payment: c5c716e779653795aaa03c950199cfcc73fef855b290153f421886d3d572fae1

Additional Notes:

On May 22, 2019, it appears the BestMixer domain was seized by European government authorities. At the time Hhampuz was running their signature campaign. Once Hhampuz learned of the domain seizure, he announced the signature campaign was ending immidiately, and shortly thereafter he paid out (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125389.msg51172171#msg51172171) what was due to each participant, presumably at the time. (The early cutoff for posts, and early payment appears to have violated the terms of the campaign, but that is not the topic of contention).

The txid for the payment to participants was b27574cee6516ce29ff84dca1fad3e04e799cabcb801a102360e5e437c7147d9 (https://btc.com/b27574cee6516ce29ff84dca1fad3e04e799cabcb801a102360e5e437c7147d9), which has a change address of bc1q9dzph9s96gsawqzcyj63j37e8nx8438pne296c (https://btc.com/bc1q9dzph9s96gsawqzcyj63j37e8nx8438pne296c), which is also the address the payment came from, and where all previous payments for this campaign came from. About 30 minutes later, the balance of what remained from the signature campaign was sent to 3GNadBucAV7kU3V5M5BrusFesQ4wfRsrtv (https://btc.com/3GNadBucAV7kU3V5M5BrusFesQ4wfRsrtv) via txid c5c716e779653795aaa03c950199cfcc73fef855b290153f421886d3d572fae1 (https://btc.com/c5c716e779653795aaa03c950199cfcc73fef855b290153f421886d3d572fae1).

After the above transaction, the money was sent via txid f1d0b755a53da5d17312a9df7304d3f08ecd264b5704d80e708e74dfae9bd388 (https://btc.com/f1d0b755a53da5d17312a9df7304d3f08ecd264b5704d80e708e74dfae9bd388) to 1JnE9A72rBNbNRCN6FSdrRqcG1msTxki8x (https://btc.com/1JnE9A72rBNbNRCN6FSdrRqcG1msTxki8x), which I believe may belong to ChipMixer.

Later that day, Hhampuz posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125389.msg51174898#msg51174898) that he never communicated with BestMixer outside of the forum:

As of when the signature campaign ended, the  bestmixer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1721098) account that created the ANN thread referenced in the OP of the signature campaign was last active three days before the campaign ended.

The outputs to the transaction that 1JnE9A72rBNbNRCN6FSdrRqcG1msTxki8x spent are:
1M1o8TUAUunxD2rS4tnWFe8T3FSwQp8633
18FjF4nhU3m6MELjrpGyw175Hj1cMG8jXf
17EociKcomb7bXrN5uXFJS1WD989SoiCHB
17j1WYxgetC9JEmzNLCVF7iX63wEWvmHSi
1Lwu7dAUdidJtcsaYjwMNTJVK5dWAQTK64
All of which are 0.064BTC, and according to the tool, http://chipstatdethbuwk.onion/ (tor link) BestMixer posted, all are "chips" belonging to ChipMixer and/or its customers.

Additionally, BestMixer was critical (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125942.msg50516098#msg50516098) of ChipMixer, and as such is unlikely to use their service.

I asked (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5079097.msg51226546#msg51226546) Hhampuz in his campaign thread about why the bitcoin was moved when he could not have possibly received instructions on how to return the excess money, but have not received a response after a day.

Based on the above, I believe that Hhampuz has stolen the excess money from the BestMixer campaign for his own personal use.

Reserved for response from Hhampuz

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Reserved for response from Hhampuz's other clients

So is this your response for getting kicked out of the Livecoin campaign? This being a pathethic attempt by a scamming monkey to get revenge out of spite defeats the whole thread to begin with.

I saw something I believed to be not right, asked about it, received no response. I am calling out bad behavior as I see it. It doesn't matter who you are, including if you are someone doing business with me, if I am aware of bad behavior, I will call you out.

I suspect your response is a good indication of the validity of my accusation.

QS, you’re a real piece of shit. How the mighty have fallen hey. You used to be one of the most respected people on the forum. You’ve turned into a scheming, revenge seeking snake.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

It is NONE of your business, especially when you are a SCAMMER with a compromised sense of judgement. Was this thead made by someone with a credibly inquiry (say marlboroza), then I would gladly roll with it. However, I'm stopping this thread right here and right now.

I disagree. He's a big piece of shit.

Clearly Bestmixer trusted HH to escrow the campaign funds so unless they say he scammed them - there's no scam.

Ahh, it is none of my business if Hhampuz is stealing from others. Well considering that Hhampuz is holding money on behalf of others, and is guaranteeing payment to a lot of others, I think the question of if Hhampuz is stealing from others is something that many people would be interested in, and would want to know about prior to affiliating with him.

I don't think you have any authority to stop this thread.

These people are either in jail, or are hiding from the government.

By your logic, it is okay to steal from someone in jail, or someone who is dead because they will never be able to complain :D

Why is everyone quoting the un-polished reply? :D

A million possible reasons, and he goes with the most pathetic one. ::)

Everyone who was owed was paid. It's none of your business.

I'll counter any ratings that come out of this spiteful thread and hereby advise Hhampuz to not even indulge you by responding at all. See: I can, and I just did. Need anything else mr. escrow scammer?

BestMixer is owed, and has not been paid.

They are not owed anything. This is what YOU THINK, which is irrelevant and anyone who isn't a degenerate like teeGUMES doesn't give a fuck what you think.

What is the basis for this statement?

The same as the basis for this:

That was explained in the OP.

There were funds left over after the campaign was ended early, and the money was clearly not returned to BestMixer.

LOL say marlboroza haha  ... another one of your pet bitches like LFC bitch coward here.

I mean lauda you are an observable liar and scammer yourself so that is a bit rich coming from you.

Stopping this thread? how are you intending on stopping this thread exactly? what other bitches do you have in your pocket?

hhampuz refuses to be transparent regarding his rules and the upholding of those rules. I view him as suspect. I view you as a scammer since you are one. LFC and moronbozo are just your bitches.

The evidence must stand on its own merits regardless of what attacks you are launching on the person presenting the observable instances. HHampuz may as yet be able to supply a sensible response as to this particular issue anyway. So best not to make it look worse by becoming involved lauda. Scammers sticking up for others can make them look more shady even if it is not the case.

And yet another thread filled with nothing but assumptions. Nobody has been arrested so they are perfectly capable of contacting Hhampuz.

This proves your judgement ability too. Very beautiful Kitty.


Anyway, I would love to hear from Hhampuz. I know he is trying very hard to be the gang member because of the business he runs here but he is a decent gentleman.

Seems like you have taken over the forum and others need your permission before they act. Like LFC removed Bill because you said so.

You don't tell others what to do. It was more appropriate if  it was coming from Hhampuz. Anyone can do anything which is not YOUR business here.

Lauda, Stop! Mind your own business. This is too much you are going. This DT system is not going for long, soon there will be a change.

You don't know they have not been arrested. This has not been announced one way or another.

Further, the time frame that Hhampuz spent the money is not constant with what one would expect. Assuming the BestMixer operators have not been arrested, recovering ~$4,300 in advertising expenses is probably low on their list of priorities immidiately after the government shut down their business. 

Official press release: https://www.fiod.nl/the-fiod-and-the-public-prosecution-service-take-money-laundering-machine-for-cryptocurrencies-offline/

They always mention arrests. The owners are not a priority, they are after the users. Stop trying, your opinions are meaningless.

Nope. Try again.

That's quite a leap.  You've offered no proof the funds have not been returned BestMixer, or that that Hhampuz sent them to his own personal wallet.  You don't know where the money ended up, and apparently that's by design.  BestMixer hired to Hhampuz to escrow their funds, and even if he still has the funds in his possession, that's not a scam, he's doing what he was hired to do.

This whole thread is based on a lot of speculation and wishful thinking.

The money very clearly was moved, that cannot be disputed. I explained in the OP how I know Hhampuz did not receive instructions on how to return the money after he ended the campaign.

The theory that Hhampuz moved the money to his own hidden address unknown to anyone and therefore is not stealing is quite the leap. The action of moving the money through a mixer is evidence his intention is to keep the money for himself. There is no reason they would want him to do this.

More assumptions. How can you tell for sure that such instructions weren't provided when they hired him? I can imagine that mixer operators think ahead.

If that is what happened, Hhampuz can respond to this thread and show evidence of that.

The question as to what happened to the money was previously broached to Hhampuz, which went ignored.

Why would he waste his time to reply to this obvious grasp for attention and give you what you want?

Unless there is "evidence" that he is obligated to keep the money where it is, he can transfer/mix/liquidate it back and forth however he pleases as long as the money is "safe".

The evidence points to him embezzling money....

Further, deposit addresses for ChipMixer are only good for a maximum of 14 days, it would not be possible for Hhampuz to receive instructions to send the excess money to a ChipMixer deposit address when the campaign started, because the campaign lasted longer than that.

You explained why you think Hhampuz has not received instructions to move the funds.  Perhaps Hhampuz made every attempt to communicate with the BestMixer team here on the forum for tractability, but having the Feds knock on your door changes things.  Maybe they moved communication to an encrypted texting service, we don't know.  I don't know, and you don't know.  All we can do is speculate.  Like I just did.



I can think of reasons why he would move his clients money if the client just had the feds knock on their door.  And since we are now in the business of speculating I think the safe speculation is that Hhapmuz is just as trustworthy with half a bitcoin today as he was on the 21st of May.  Yes, more speculation.   ::)

It points to nothing, it's pure conjecture. Is that what they teach you in the 'murica system?

What evidence?

You can read the OP.

Your prior support for extortionists doesn’t give me confidence you are acting in good faith.

Like I said, what evidence? Funds have moved but you have no insight in (prior) communications between Hhampuz and the people behind Bestmixer. You are just firing shots in the dark, same with the whole Zeroxal thing. Bring hard evidence, not assumptions.

I can assure you that Hhampuz did not receive off-forum communications to move the bitcoin. I will write a timeline for you:

All years 2019
May 19, 09:09:39 PM BestMixer forum account last active - May 19, 2019, 09:09:39 PM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1721098
May 22, 05:36:25 PM, Hhampuz closes campaign and pays out participants - https://btc.com/b27574cee6516ce29ff84dca1fad3e04e799cabcb801a102360e5e437c7147d9 (transaction was confirmed at 5:04 PM)
May 22, 5:27:09 PM, Hhampuz sends bitcoin to 3GNa...Rsrtv - https://btc.com/c5c716e779653795aaa03c950199cfcc73fef855b290153f421886d3d572fae1
May 22, 09:17:11 PM, Hhampuz posts he has only communicated with BestMixer via the forum - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125389.msg51174898#msg51174898

If he wants to give some other explanation, he is welcome to do so. I reserved a post under the OP for his response so it will be prominent.

He may have wanted to secure what was left, but above all, he may have wanted to hide it by being afraid of the rest of this story in media. He thought he might be subject to problems or something. Maybe not in the right way but there is no need to make a big deal out of it, nor is there any need to justify it

I don't defend any gang but you guys need to take a break with your soap opera. It would be great if people could spend the same energy to participate in the forum other than the meta and reputation boards

Why would he want to give an explanation? Do you really think that whatever happened(Bestmxixer instructions or not), he'd want the Dutch government hound dogs to catch a whiff of the trail?  ::) You've already done a crackerjack for them for free by pointing the way for them.  :D

Because as it stands now, he is being accused of embezzling money that belongs to BestMixer. It is my belief the available evidence points to this being true.

I would also find it unlikely the Dutch government is not already aware of the situation. I don't think they would seize the BestMixer servers and just go home and call it a day.

Nobody cares when a SCAMMER like you accusses him. He will not respond.

This is assumption.
This is also assumption.

It is also assumption that Hhampuz took their money. I mean, everything is assumption except coins moving from address A to address B and Bestmixer's account being inactive.

This is not an assumption, as explained (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147938.msg51242814#msg51242814) above.

The fact BestMixer is unlikely to use ChipMixer is not an assumption either. They may very well use ChipMixer on a regular basis, but I did not state they would or would not use the ChipMixer service under any scenario.

I don't think he's obligated to answer to you. What authority do you have over him? When the government is sniffing around, I think the best policy is to keep quiet or let a lawyer do all of the talking. It certainly isn't prudent to spill the beans on the open forum just to resolve this accusation. What's the worst that can happen to him if he doesn't answer to you? Some dt members actually give your accusation credence and red tag him? BFD.  ::)

I doubt any government would waste time or resources investigating a signature campaign on a forum. They are after the funds that have been mixed (and the people mixing them).

Kinda like what his friends are doing for him in this thread?

He does not have to give an explanation if he does not want to, but staying silent is not evidence of innocence. As it stands now, I believe the evidence points to Hhampuz stealing the money from BestMixer.

BTW, Hhampuz seems to think there is no danger to him running their advertising campaign:

If we say that they reached Hhampuz from alt account it will be assumption. If we say that they told Hhampuz where to send coins it will be assumption. I don't see why this isn't assumption.

So what is it then? Assumption?

Probably not. However, when any government is involved, it is best to take as much steps as possible to distance yourself from the situation and to keep as quiet as possible.

Although I personally would not say Quickseller is trustworthy (in terms of financials), I would say that he is not a pathological liar, and can come up with logical claims such as this one. Even murderers/rapists are allowed to sue others, their accusations are as valid as any other human being's.

That said, Quickseller has provided some solid, tangible proof that goes beyond just his word. I think Hhampuz should give a response, it's interesting where this will go from here.

     In this particular case, though, Quickseller is far from the ideal whistle blower. One could prescribe that his logic is based on premises biased with angst from him recently being booted from the Livecoin campaign. Just because someone is perfectly logical, doesn't mean that they are absolutely correct. After all, logic stems from certain premises being formed. If the premise is flawed, than everything concluded after that is probably flawed as well. Unfortunately, I cannot read Quickseller's mind. Therefore, I suppose that it is possible that he is doing this as a selfless act to warn the forum of wrongdoing. However, I doubt it.

1) He has not provided proof of ANYTHING other than coins moving from point A to point B.
2) Due to 1) everything else is mallicious conjecture.
3) I have strongly encouraged hhampuz not to reply to any of this at all. Like I said, I have put a stop to this right here right now. Try me.
4) Another "embezzling" is coming up from this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=436467.msg51242960#msg51242960).
5) If you have not been participating in any prior accusations here, then you are a very dodgy account.


This does not benefit the forum at all. Actually it hurts it in many ways, regardless of whether the accusation is true or not.

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Hhampuz is NOT required to answer to any inquiries by people like Quickseller. That would very much upset me.

A quick glance at Quickseller's posts, and you can see lots of scam accusations and posts just like these. Either Quickseller has a fond ambition and hobby of unconvering scams, or he just has alot of enemies, and opens these out of angst. Whichever is true, maybe even both, is not relevant. I looked through the proof and it looks convincing, there was no reason for Hhampuz to move the funds, unless asked by the owner of the funds.

In any case, a response should always be given. This post is not satirical or fluff, I think it deserves a response. Quickseller's sole intention of revenge is nice to spectate, but it doesn't affect facts.

I really never thought I'd be defending this guy to be honest. All I'm saying is that it's still a valid accusation, and it should be responded to.

Miss me with your virtue-signalling. No response will be given.

You should expect to receive some negative trust in the near future (not by me). This is the unfortunate reality of not siding with a particular group of people.

As mentioned, and acknowledged by you, there is evidence that Hhampuz has stolen from BestMixer, as noted in my OP.

Hhampuz has gotten many companies to hire him to find people to advertise, and Hhampuz is using many of the people now defending him to advertise on behalf of these companies. These people want the advertising money to continue flowing to them, and as such as strongly defending him.

Lauda thinks he can defend Hhampuz from having to respond by countering any negative rating he receives, and I would be unsurprised to see others do this too. Any countered rating will not change the underlying facts, which speak for themselves.

I'm responding because I recently opened my own service (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147710), and this thread is related to the service that I'm not yet too familiar with. Accusations from any member should be considered, Quickseller, Scammer5025, or satoshi himself. As for whatever else you said, I didn't come here to argue, only to share my points that even scammers should have their accusations considered.

If what you are saying is your true opinion, then what is stopping someone from scamming Quickseller and getting away with it? Quickseller could then accuse the scammer, and nothing would happen. It's dangerous to have that mindset.

That's my last post on this thread, I think I was heard. Once again, I'm not defending Quickseller or supporting this accusation. I felt like my thoughts should have been spoken.

I hereby also forbid Hhampuz to respond. How about that? What will you do now? Scam more people with your escrow business? ::)

Exactly, you are trying to destroy a competitor which makes it even more dodgy. I've been down this fight hundreds of times and can sniff out intent very quickly based on your post history. But you may very well be a legitimate person and not a purchased account/alt/whatever like that degenerate bill gator.  ;)

I am not against Lauda/for you. Read my post above, brushing off accusations because the accuser is not trustworthy is a dangerous and damaging mindset.

I made it clear that I'm not defending you, because obviously I don't want nor deserve negative trust.

This would be evidence that hhampuz is little more than a puppet of yours, which has been evident as of recently.

Regardless of the underlying reason why Hhampuz does not respond, the facts continue speaking for themselves.

I agree that what you describe is a dangerous mindset, and that you are not for/against any person.

I don't think not being for/against someone is enough to avoid getting the negative rating.

Which is wrong again. He can choose to either indulge you and anger me, or not indulge you and not anger me. What would anyone sane do? I told you I can shut this down from many angles.

There are no facts here.

This is also a lie, but petahasher doesn't seem to care about that. If he isn't shady like recent revelations about certain users show, he has nothing to worry about. Nowadays you sound like a corrupt cop trying to protect corrupt politicians.

I won't allow the accused to respond, that's how much I care about your virtue-signalling mindset, and obviously quickseller's scamming mindset.

I don't have the Cat Queen's powers to prevent Hhampuz from responding, but if he does - this won't end anyway, so he might as well not bother. We've had these bullshit accusations (the "pill addiction" is a classic) that just devolve into all sorts of nonsense even though there are no facts to support them. Quickseller is not grounded in facts or truth, he can make any shit up, and for any honest person such as Hhampuz to debate with him is always a losing proposition.

WOW! really!!

So Hhampuz is not responding here because he knows making you angry will destroy his reputation like you did for Bill and others? Also Hhampuz will never accepted as a gang member.

I mean how far we have to go to have these clear that Lauda is threatening other DTs not to talk against her or they will be destroyed. Shame all those who included her in their trust network and watching these insulting statements. You guys need Lauda to protect you. I see bounches of Monkeys seating on DT network.

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@Hhampuz, you are losing your credibility in the forum if you are really not responding here because Lauda said so. Shame!

This could even be a trap for you which Lauda planned. I mean think it this way,

Lauda will protect you the community will question you that you have not your own voice and then you will lose your credibility. A person with zero credibility is a burden. No one will use you and eventually this will effect your business here.
What if this is Lauda's plan to destroy you? Do not trust anyone over your own ethics especially in a place where you have no chance to see the person in real life. Have your own grownup voice.

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EDIT,
LOL this is what happen when you talk free speech.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2602674
https://i.imgur.com/6RJKqLR.png
This is what you get when you anger Lauda.

Lauda: I already have explained that this an ALT account you did nothing for me but just proved that you are weak and your judgements are biased. In most cases you tag others who makes you angry.

@theymos, how many times you need proves. This also proves that why others are not excluding Lauda from their network.

Hell yeah--I'm not sure how bad I'd be freaking out if I were Hhampuz and I'd been working for a company that had just been shut down by the government (even though it's probably not his government).  However, I also don't know how vigorously the authorities would pursue a campaign manager, but if they're looking for every penny to be accounted for they might want to know where the leftover funds from the campaign went.  Who knows?

Yeah, the only one who can provide the truth is Hhampuz, and it's so far not clear whether he's going to comment on this.  I think it would be good if he did, but there may be reasons why he won't or can't.  And as much as I don't like Quickseller, I don't think he's wrong for bringing attention to this.  If this was something jamalaezaz or Quickseller did, I'm very sure there wouldn't be such a fuss if the same evidence was presented.

   Hhampuz should keep his mouth shut regarding this matter whether Lauda advocates for it or not. All Quickseller has established is that the funds used to pay the signature campaign participants was moved. At this time, we really have no idea what the true motives are behind this. All we have is one of Quickseller's conclusions, which more often than not is what I would expect from someone with a jaded/cunning point of view.

Have you missed to read this?

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This is the reason he needs to step in here and explain without listening Lauda. I don't think listening Lauda is bringing anything good for him except not to anger her theory.
The latest prove: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148016.0

I have no obligation against Hhampuz, from my account (this is an alt if you are not aware) we have exchanged some good words in the past. I know/believe he is a gentleman.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Loose_lips_might_sink_ships.jpg

   Although I am sure this matter doesn't really rise to this gravity, a government is party to this matter.... If it were me, I'd be leery to discuss anything involved in this matter even face to face in my own home. Much less, on the open forum for all eyes to see and eventually be able to Google.

I take it by these meme that you believe anything hhampuz says will damage his reputation.

If the above is true, you must believe he is guilty. Yes?

    No, I am not compelled by the evidence that you presented at this time.

So, you must then disagree with my statement that any statement he makes on the matter would damage his reputation.

Maybe it would and maybe it wouldn't. Perhaps this is a question you should ask a Magic 8 ball. The answer you would get from it would probably be just as accurate.

I personally really don't like Quickseller, but the only difference between what he is doing and what the untouchable priest class of the DT is doing is that they have a bunch of yes men around them to make their witch hunts look more reasonable and valid. You people allowed this environment to be created, now it is being turned back at you and now everyone has to live under this constant environment of suspicion, accusation, and reporting as if we are in our own little digital recreation of East Germany. Furthermore the willingness to punitively punish people means those "outcast" really have no incentive to cooperate with anyone after their reputations are shattered now do they? The benevolent bitoverlords only have themselves to blame for this environment.

How long before Chipmixer is shut down too? Oh wait....

Which is yet another lie, and you wonder why I tagged you, baboon? Come up with another account, I'll be faster next time. We're back to this:


With all that proof, I'd have been in rehab all this time. ::)

If anyone was doubting lauda is out of control on this board this is clear evidence.

Why are people scared of this piece of shit? tell him to fuck off ffs.

So there is compelling evidence that suggests theft that person would be called to explain or given red generally. However because it is one of laudas "pals" or perhaps even one of laudas alts. He gets to say if anyone gives hhampuz red he will counter it and even asking Hhampuz to explain will ANGER HIM?

What is this dirty bunch of rats doing in DT.

We need to remember who the main supporters of this bunch are so when they go down we make sure their supporters are finished here for good too. Yes suchmoon, bones, the pharmacist , new anon, etc.

Hhampuz should just be transparent as we have been telling him recently. If he had good reason then fair enough.

The most worrying thing about this all is not even this issue with hhampuz it is the observable instance of lauda pushing all dts about and acting like his ANGER is something everyone needs we scared about. Theymos needs to remove this individual and his core supporters asap. This has implications for the entire board.

How does lauda get to claim he will shut this down "TRY ME" - is theymos sitting back letting people intimidate other DT's with this kind of language?  TRY ME WHAT?  this weaponizing of red trust has destroyed this board.

If Hhampuz's response is that he is following instructions from BestMixer to the "t", I cannot image his reputation taking any kind of hit. On the other hand, if hhampuz is doing something he shouldn't be doing including obfuscating where he is holding someone else's money without an explicit request from the person to do this, or taking the money for his own personal use, as I believe he is doing, then yes his reputation would be harmed.

I don't see any legitimate reason why Hhampuz would need to obfuscate where he is holding someone else's money.

I do see that the BitBlender campaign closed down yesterday and they posed that Hhampuz returned the excess money, but the BitBlender operators are also did not just have their business seized

That's none of your concern.

In this case, isn't it time to lock this topic without allowing further mess? Thank you.

Thanks bones261

https://i.imgur.com/YERbljc.png

    Unfortunately, that was validation from BitBlender and not BestMixer. Therefore, I am sure that Quickseller will continue to milk this cow for all that it is worth. Unfortunately, this cow is actually a bunch of bull.  :D

LOL
This excitement of becoming a faketoshi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148607.msg51266853#msg51266853) must be driving me crazy :-P

My apology to everyone here :-D

If BestMixer has received its money it is owed, I would ask why Hhampuz has not asked them to publicly acknowledge the receipt of the money.

I would also note that if Hhampuz is fired by his clients, you stand to lose income as you are being paid by his clients via Hhampuz and they may not decide to continue advertising.

TL;DR

Instead of feeding the Trolls the question that hasn't been asked is

Dear Quickseller, is BestMixer a project that you are associated with either as an employee, or, as owner/co-owner of?

   That sounds like a great idea for BestMixer.  ::) When they have a money laundering rap and the Dutch government already seized their servers, they definitely should acknowledge on a public forum that there is 0.5 BTC more that the Dutch government should be looking for to seize. NOT!

Well the fact that there was 0.5 btc owned by them was already public, as they could have looked the same place I did. If the Dutch government for some reason was unaware of the bitcoin, this thread has made them aware.

In light of the above, BestMixer confirming receipt of the money they are owed will not leak any information to the government. As such there is no reason for them to not confirm this....unless it is not true.

I'm assuming you're referring to something about me being in the Chipmixer campaign, but I don't know exactly what you're saying here.  Care to elaborate if it isn't too off-topic?

I definitely see your point and I agree with it.  That would be crazy on BestMixer's part to do that. 

Has Hhampuz actually addressed QS's question?  Just curious, and I know Hhampuz is not obligated to answer it.  There's probably a lot going on behind the scenes with this situation that the involved parties don't want to disclose.

No. he has not commented in any way. He is also ignoring criticism by others in his reputation thread, that one person compared to him putting his fingers in his ears.

Also BestMixer has not logged in and Hhampuz has confirmed he has no out of forum communication channels with them.

There are many reasons for people to not do stuff you want them to do. Such as not giving a shit about your opinion and your fallacies. Speaking of which...


That doesn't mean that he can't establish such channels or that he can't act on a previously established plan.

... among many other things.

Perhaps instead of trolling, defending scammers and being a bitch on the internet, you should learn how to read:

That still

How would he possibly establish such channels? Their domain is seized along with their wallets...there would be no way for him to verify their identity.

You can't have it both ways (well, you'll certainly try). Either Bestmixer can contact Hhampuz to arrange a refund or some other action, or they can't and Hhampuz is acting on a previously-arranged plan or his own judgement by sending the coins somewhere safe, just to mention a couple of many possibilities why the funds may have moved. You have to employ a bunch of fairly stupid assumptions to make it look like a scam, starting with the highly improbable premise that Hhampuz couldn't be trusted with half a coin after he was handling many times that just for this campaign alone.

While it is in my best interest for Hhampuz to be criticized and attacked, I think this attack is bullshit. Whatever deal between bestmixer and Hhampuz is between them and them alone.

It is not your business @Quickseller. You have no right to try and smear the guy just because you're pissed off over the livecoin issue. Read all the campaigns rules from all the reputable managers on the forum. They all pretty much state, they can remove you at ANY time for ANY reason. Your opinion of yourself and your posting habits does not matter 1 bit.

Neither does anyone else's opinion on the selection process of who gets in or who doesn't. Signature campaigns are a privilege not a right. The companies that hire the managers hire the person they wish to basically speak for the company. The manager's decision is final in 99.9% of the cases.

I have nothing against you besides your escrow deal, other then that I always thought you were a fairly level headed guy who stopped quite a few users from scamming, but you're wrong here.

If bestmixer pops in and says Hhampuz will not return the remaining funds, then by all means continue the witch hunt and message me. I'll tag him myself as I'm sure many other DTs would also do.

We do not know what the deal is between the company and the manager, so for now leave it alone.

@Hhampuz I don't expect you to respond here nor do I feel you need to, but it looks odd that Lauda is forbidding you to respond here. Almost like she controls you? Grow some balls and stand up to accusations like this. I'm not attacking you or her, it just looks odd. I do feel she has your best interests in mind in this situation but you have a voice too dude.

If a business acquaintance owed me $4000, and I end up in the drunk tank for a few nights, and I use my one phone call to call my mother, and my business acquaintance puts my money in his bank account, and I have no way of communicating with said business acquaintance...  Does that make my business acquaintance a scammer?

I don't know what happened to the BestMixer folks, but what if?  All we can do is ask "what if?"  This whole thread is a big fucking "what if."

Give it a rest, man.  We don't have anywhere near enough information to conclude that Hhampuz scammed anyone, and giving his track record the safe assumption is that he never will.

Quickseller,
I actually the message you posted on bestmixer campaign thread but i think is too early to say Hhampuz embezzled best mixer fund for the people who can actually claim that are nowhere to be find and the reason why Hhampuz moved the fund through Chip mixer doesn't mean he  embezzled either for he done for his personal reason. However, if best mixer representative ask of the fund and Hhampuz don't provide it then we can be sure.

I was one of the best mixer campaign participants then and I could remember Manager Hhampuz said he ask BestMixer people to let him and them get in touch through a better means rather than using the forum only which they insisted sending PM is the only means of communication they are Ok with.
Therefore, Hhampuz shouldn't be blame for moving the remaining BTC since none of the best mixer step forward by now.

As long as Hhampuz continues to have access to the campaign funds for a reasonable time (or is able to return the money from his own pocket to the person/people behind BestMiexer if they return within a reasonable timeframe, especially since it seems no arrests have been made), I'd say there's no basis in labeling him as a scammer.

This could have been the reward for Hampuz for helping the authorities or a bribe from Hampuz to authorities for not accusing him for helping and promoting money laundering. Or it's the authorities investigating about Chipmixer with the money of Bestmixer.

laudas behavoir here is insane

I sent Hhampuz a PM saying no one would think less of him if he just ignored QS.    

Maybe Hhampuz does not want to get involved in what is clearly a "disgruntled employee" venting?

Reasons likely are:
Bit Blender: Hhampuz actually was able to make contact with blender in the forum (or even beyond the forum) to send rest of unused fund back.
Best Mixer: their site suddenly seized and there is no way to contact with them. So, how to send rest fund back to Best Mixer?
If Hhampuz actually sent unused fund back to Bit Blender (long before the accusation), I believe the only reason that he has not made the same thing for Best Mixer is unable to contact Best Mixer team after all. The bestmixer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1721098) account was last actively on 19/5/2019, long ago before the bestmixer shutdown.

You are wrong. If you are aware of someone taking advantage of someone (especially when the person being taken advantage of is in a position of weakness), or that someone is misappropriating someone else's money (especially when the person is not in a position to speak out), you have a moral obligation to call out the person.

There are many situations in which a victim is not in a position to complain because the thief owes him additional money, is holding something else over the victims head, or the victim is otherwise vulnerable. 
This is off topic here, but I will address this.

1 - this has nothing to do with getting fired by Hhampuz. I have no problem criticizing anyone, regardless of any business relationship, and if I had still been in the campaign, I would have been willing to get fired for calling out Hhampuz two weeks later for calling him out on this embezzlement. If I was in one of your campaigns, and I was aware of similar activity by you, I would not hesitate to open a similar scam accusation, although before doing so, I would first ask you (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5079097.msg51226546#msg51226546) what happened, and give you the opportunity to address what happened before putting you on blast. 

2 - You are absolutely wrong. This is regardless of any "terms" any campaign manager puts in their campaign thread. A campaign manager has an obligation to his client to maximize the long term value of the advertising dollars of his client. If a campaign manager does anything other than any action that (he in good faith believes, and has good reason to believe) maximizes the long term value of the advertising money he is spending on behalf, he is either corrupt, engaging in nepotism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism), or both.

If you disagree, or if you want to discuss 1 or 2 further, we can move this to PM or to a new thread, as this is off topic in this thread.   

Hhampuz was not contacted through an intermediary to return the excess funds. He would have no way of verifying the validity of this type of request, and the timing would not make sense.

If BestMixer has not yet requested the money be returned, Hhampuz should hold the money where it was. When you are dealing with other people's money, you do not get the benefit of the doubt, and you must remain transparent.

The operators of BestMixer being in jail or otherwise unavailable to request the money be returned is not a reason for Hhampuz to keep the money for his own personal use.

If Hhampuz had lost access to the bitcoin due to his own incompetence, such as loosing access to the keys, having the bitcoin stolen via malware, having the bitcoin otherwise stolen from him, I would agree that Hhampuz could return the money out of his own personal funds, but only as long as he is transparent with what happened, and that he is publicly promising to repay what he lost.

Hhampuz moved the bitcoin to what I believe to be ChipMixer, which is what I believe to be prima face evidence that he is trying to hide the money so he can use it for his own benefit. Further, it is not known that Hhampuz still has access to the bitcoin, and he has not stated he will return the money if BestMixer returns and asks for their money back.

As stated above, when dealing with someone else's money, you should not get the benefit of the doubt, and you should maintain transparency.

If Hhampuz cannot send the money back to BestMixer, he should not move them, and use them for his personal benefit. He can hold the coins in the address where he was paying out campaign participants.

This is responsible behaviour, I think you are responding to this situation very well as a trusted member of this forum.

Weird.

Just got knowledge of this shit show.

Classic Quicksie again.

To be honest even IF HHampuz decided to move the funds WITHOUT a request from BestMixer, this doesn't mean at all he won't return said funds upon request of bestmixer team.

To me the only thing he owes bestmixer is to keep these funds secure for some time, say a year, before it would be ok to use them for himself, or for whatever he wants.

Morally he did absolutely nothing wrong, and you are just twisting facts to fit your biased narrative.

great to see that QS has a great in depth knowledge of a mixing companies security and dead man switch policies. Hhampuz wont reply as this does not deserve a reply, lock the thread QS.. or keep it in your arsenal of threads you like to bump when people piss you off

I think this is the quintessential example of a flame-throw that failed. OK, so... no one is convinced over this scam accusation. I think the message has been made clear, so if the OP wants to continue to vent, and assert he's right, so be it, but no one cares.

While I appreciate the way that OP made the investigation of the whole matter, in my view, the accusation is still premature maybe we should be waiting some time and gather more facts before we can conclude with finality that Hhampuz scammed the coins from the Bestmixer campaign. I actually enjoyed reading the heated and animated exchange of opinions on this thread but for now maybe we should let this case be shelved temporarily and let's wait any move from the Bestmixer guys. Of course, this is just my opinion.

It is an unnecessary assumption accusation against Hhampuz in my opinion.

Hhampuz is a well-established member of this forum and I don't think he will run away with just BTC0.54, maybe he is earning more than that here.

Let keep this thing between Hhampuz and Bestmixer until Bestmixer puts a scam accusation against him otherwise this thread is meant to defame Hhampuz.

I believe Hhampuz is enough capable to pay back the amount to Bestmixer anytime they ask for it in the future.

Quickseller will tell you he is very consistent in his actions.   

Look at his logic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.msg51054159#msg51054159) and you'll understand why he is distrusted.  He was corrected in the very next post, but for the rest of his scamming forum life, he will tell people I claimed something I did not.   Consistency.

OG decided that obvious lie deserved to be merited.  He thought we needed more posts like that on the forum.  :/

I'm sorry, when you are handling others' money, you do not get the benefit of the doubt.
Everything about this statement is ridiculous. There is absolutely no basis for stealing BestMixers money after a year, Hhampuz has no right to any of the money in any circumstance other than the payment of previously agreed upon fees for holding their money. Further it is absolutely crazy to suggest it is not only okay to commingle customer assets, but to spend customer assets for his own personal use. Keeping assets separate from your own personal assets is a basic principal of acting as an agent for a third party, be it as a lawyer, as a bank, as a securities broker, be it any other agency relationship.

You should have some read Quicksie



and


Edit:

then you have this as well

This is the most ironic thread for this year.
QSeller as untrustworthy admitted user makes false accusation against one of the most trusted users of btt community. Is this the April fool again !!!
I can't understand why we should always encounter this kind of shitto threads in a forum supposed to be firstly dedicated to share knowledge.

Someone answer me please, why are all the Chipmixer participants defending Hhampuz to death ? I have nothing against him, so far he has been professional in managing the campaigns but the strange thing here is all Chipmixer participants which happen also to be Lauda ass lickers are defending in a brutal way Hhampuz without providing evidence............... oh wait they never do!!!

Leaving money in escrow does not match the description of Eads v. Brazelton; the money was intended to be spent on advertising, but due to circumstances caused by Hhampuz (him closing the campaign), and the Dutch government (seizing the business), it was not. Further, Hhampuz was not acting as a landlord to BestMixer, it would be more accurate to say Hhampuz was acting as BestMixers agent. In the US, most state laws require banks to turn over unclaimed property to the state after 3-5 years of no communication, and as mentioned, the bank does not keep the money, it is sent to the state. Hhampuz did in no way "find" the money from BestMixer.

Bitcoin is not money. And a wallet is hardly a bank account.

Legally speaking though in most countries it is equivalent though. You are the one who wanted to play lawyer here. While I don't agree with the premise of this thread itself, he does have a point regarding standards for abandoned funds.

Is it though?

In most european countries it is not. It is handled with like physical property. Maybe gold or physical money would be the closest comparison. Then again my understanding is if you leave a banknote with a friend and then disappear, you don't have to turn this bank note to the state.

Buy maybe I misunderstood the lawyer talk. Please enlighten me TecShare & Quicksie.

Even physical gold for example has additional requirements in most countries such as KYC and AML restrictions. This is not something required for all property, but property which is equivalent or near equivalent to currency funds. You can't just pick and choose the aspects of the law you like and abandon the rest, that is not how it works.

You still fail to answer my question.

I'm not saying I know everything here, however you don't seem to be able to bring a solid statement about this either. I also doubt that QS is in a position in which he can give legal advice any better than most of us. But hey I am open to learn new things.

All I'm saying is that in Europe Bitcoin rulings have been dealt with differently than if it was money.

Also regarding kyc/aml you are right when buying gold from an institution, but you have the right to gift this gold to whoever you desire with 0 obligation except making sure you are not funding terrorism maybe. But if I wanted to gift my daughter a gold bar there would be exactly 0 issue in doing such thing.

I'm not sure what evidence could be presented that would make you change your mind, considering your fairytale-esque beliefs and world you seem to live in.

Not to mention that's it's stupid for the "defendant" to prove he has done nothing wrong, if not impossible with false accusations.. It seems like your point of view regarding this topic is completely distorted, just like your entire Weltanschauung, which seems to predate several centuries.

The same principle applies to property found inside a safety deposit box, even if rent is paid.

The relationship between Hhampuz and BestMixer is similar to that of the one between a depositor and ia bank, or perhaps a client and a lawyer.

In the case of a lawyer holding client funds, keeping the money separate is insufficient, the lawyer must keep detailed records of client funds, and if the detailed records cannot be produced, the lawyer would be disbarred. A lawyer commingling client money with their own can result in the lawyer going to jail.

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Separately, at the end of the day, the money in question belongs to BestMixer who hired Hhampuz to safeguard the money and spend it for advertising in a very particular way. Hhampuz received payment for this service. I see no benefit to BestMixer for Hhampuz moving the money or using it for his personal use. No, keeping its location secret will not benefit BestMixer because it’s exi is already public.

Does Hhampuz gone Dark? If Hhampuz moved the money or using it for his personal use then what's the point here if he hasn't gone dark?

If any day Bestmixer contacts him here then he will be able to return the money... Isn't it? And if Hhampuz doesn't return then they can put a scam accusation here, right?

And if Bestmixer never comes back then it's a sign that they have paid the amount as a BONUS to Hhampuz

Does it make any sense? I'm trying to put some logic here.

He could have moved it to a personal adress that is more secured for long term holding for bestmixer. Say a hardware device for instance.

Then again it is only a supposition as is everything you have against dear HHampuz.

Let it go man.

I still don't understand point of this thread.

1) Hhampuz gets btc for advertisement
2) Bestmixer is seized
3) Hhampuz close campaign and moves btc somewhere

Assuming that Hhampuz didn't return money to bestmixer and there is no possible way to reach them, what  he could have done with remaining btc? Continue to advertise seized domain? Send btc to unknown Bestmixer's address?

What @quickscammer?

Quicksy reminds me of this story:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-23051603

I mean when your only tool is a hammer and you get fired...

You are being obviously corrupt and stupid. When you run your own competing service, and attempt to slander/give shit advice another competitor, it's showing what heights you will reach, just to find a client or 2. Hhampuz should never respond to this shill thread made by a brain cell deficient virgin, and you acting in this manner isn't going to do anyone good. I wouldn't be surprised if you are DMing a couple of Hhampuz's clients, showing this thread.

Here is what is shown.

A well know mixer, which has had no scams/issues goes down, due to a government request. That's fine, no one lost coins or anything.

Hhampuz, after receiving no information from the mixer (they have more concerns then a sig campaign on a forum), quickly closes the thread. I'm guessing this is due to everyone being scared of the legal repercussion that they could be involved in.

The remaining funds aren't a problem here. The people of the forum aren't owed anything. Hhampuz moved them for his security (this is my assumption) and he is free to do, since he has not gotten information from the company, or police.

He can spend in coke and strippers if he wants, the money is technically his now since the company has broken down, and the police haven't asked him for the funds. This is a legal matter, not a matter that should be openly discussed on the forum. No one is scammed here, you can't return money to a dead company.

Perhaps he wants to protect the integrity of his line of business. If there are fraudsters stealing money from their clients left and right, less companies will be interested in paying money to advertise this way.


You think no one lost coins? What do you think happened to the coins in the process of being mixed when BestMixer shut down? Did the Dutch government make sure all these people got their money back?
Hhampuz closed the campaign approximately 30 minutes after it was posted in the campaign thread that the domain was seized. About 3 hours later he pays the participants (early), and 30 minutes after that, he moves the excess money to a third address.
This is nonsense. Moving the funds do nothing for his security because it is well known, and publicly available that he is holding his money. Further, there is no evidence, and no basis for the assumption he moved the coins for his "security".
More nonsense from a one-post newbie. In no way is this money his. He agreed to hold onto the money, and use it only for a specified purpose, not for his own personal benefit. The money belongs to BestMixer. If BestMixer no longer exists, the money belongs to its owners.

Would you feel more comfortable if I said "former owners as of immidiately prior to the dissolution of the company"?

When a bank fails, everyone who borrowed from the bank doesn't suddenly not have to pay their debts anymore. There is no reason why Hhampuz would not need to repay what he owes BestMixer

I misunderstood you. Ok, lets try different approach.

Which part of "bitmixer was under investigation for a year and domain is seized by Europol and FIOD" you don't understand?

And there is also no evidence, and no basis for the assumption that he moved the coins to "embezzle" them.

In my opinion, it's just as likely that he was moving them for "security" reasons as it is that he was doing it to "steal" them. I haven't really seen any real proof to say either way. The only thing that can be stated for a fact regarding the movement of these coins, is that the coins were moved... and the only person that truly knows why this happened is Hhampuz (assuming Hhampuz is the only one with access to the private keys).

And I don't see BestMixer starting a thread in this forum section accusing Hhampuz of embezzling funds. No arrests have been made so it's not like they can't spend a minute (or an hour, I don't know about their OPSEC) to create a thread. I also don't see anyone, DT or not, red-tagging Hhampuz, so it seems the consensus is that he isn't a scammer.

There are a number of reasons why BestMixer might not be immediately looking for the money or be opening a scam accusation, and none of these reasons are an excuse for Hhampuz to be taking the money for himself.

Further, lauda has made it clear that Hhampuz is not going to be labeled a scammer. Recent history has shown that those who oppose lauda end up getting excluded from DT and labeled a scammer, there are a number of recent examples of this.

Unfortunately, we do not know the terms of the contract between Hhampuz and BestMixer to arrive at a conclusive determination. I don't believe that Hhampuz should reveal the contract just to satisfy anyone's suspicions. Also, if you look at the last transaction where he paid the signature campaign participants, it lacks a bigger output of ~ .077 BTC that the earlier transactions have. For all we know, the ~.50 BTC covers the pay HHampuz is entitled to under his contract.

Ah yes, Hhampuz was most likely entitled to all of the remaining funds and this is why he took the money and tried to cover his tracks. /s

If you look at all the transactions that he pays participants with, you will see he pays himself out of campaign funds every week this is done either in the same transaction or immediately after the transaction is sent. He was not owed additional money.

There isn't enough evidence to label him a scammer. Tribalism is a different issue altogether and one of the reasons the Trust system sees continuous changes and improvements, perhaps with more to come in the future.

These agreements don't come with any severance clauses or bonuses for completing the campaigns? Too bad.

How surprising, more assumptions. You do not know anything about the agreement between BestMixer an Hhampuz. Anything you say is based on nothing but your  hatred towards anyone on your shitlist.

     I suspect that if HHampuz had just left the BTC untouched, in UTXO that Hhampuz has full control over, QS would have opened a similar thread raising suspicion on why Hhampuz was keeping funds in UTXO that he had full control over. Also, if Hhampuz moved the funds to any other address, QS would find some narrative to paint him in a bad light. And if Hhampuz came up with any plausible explanation, QS would construe that too, to fit his narrative.

No doubt about that. I'm old enough to remember how QS was claiming that Lauda not denying one of his (Quickseller's) hallucinations was proof of something or other.

Props to HH for not feeding the megatroll.

- Calling Lauda a pill addict
- Calling Vod a pedophile
- Accusing members of leaving fake trade feedback
- Calling Hhampuz a thief

There are plenty of other examples. QS has quite the track record of accusing people with zero evidence to back it up.

I would argue there is evidence Hhampuz is a scammer based on what I posted in the OP.

I think it is clear he is not being labeled a scammer by others because of tribalism, and for that reason alone.

I find it very hypocritical that you want everyone else to tag him as a scammer and you yourself have not tagged him.

I browsed your sent feedback and didn't see your tag anywhere at least.

I did not say that I wanted others to tag him as a scammer. I said I believe him to be a scammer, and the reason he has not been tagged is due to tribalism.

I do think he should be tagged, but due to the trust system being broken, I don't think anyone tagging him will have any affect any anything. In lieu of tagging him, I will leave this thread open and any potential customers of his (and his current customers) can look at the evidence themselves, including the fact that many of those defending him are being paid his advertisers money by him.

   I certainly hope any future potential clients of Hhampuz also take into consideration that the OP of this thread also was being paid by him and got the sack after 5 weeks. Or shall they believe that you are really free of any bias on this matter and are earmarked to be instantly canonized by the Pope, as soon as you are the 4th person to be assumed into Heaven?

 ::)

It's also bit strange you'd want keep responding to this thread as it grows for almost two weeks now, even if it is clear that even people who are in no way associated with Hhampuz keep defending him, but leaving a negative rating is too futile an endeavour? 

There is no such thing as bad publicity.

This is the only possible explanation to these ramblings

He's just desperately trying to remain relevant. I sincerely doubt QS has anything going on in his life, besides wrongfully accusing the people he hates on an internet forum.

As stated in my post, a negative rating has not been issued because the trust system is broken and doing so will have zero effect. Also as previously mentioned, Hhampuz is being defended because of tribalism, and unless you have verified those posting have no alts, you have no way of knowing they in fact have no association with Hhampuz.

The facts in the OP speak for themselves.

BIG Hhampuz covering his ass ........... Hahaha


Wasn't he a big mouth when somebody accused him of promoting illegal casinos?

Now sitting silent and covering his ass?

Hhampuz did do something wrong ?
Can you please point us to the scam accusation thread against him, regarding this matter ?
Whose funds are missing ?

Nah, it's just pointless to fight against wind-mills.
With some people, whatever you say, you'll be wrong all the time.
QS doesn't have the same definition of the word "embezzlement" as everyone else, this is it, really.

BestMixers.

What is your definition of "embezzlement". Please be specific and explain clearly so I can understand...

How do you know ? Did BestMixer told you ? Where is their scam accusation against Hhampuz ?



(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embezzlement)

So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that Hhampuz is secretively planning to steal from every campaign he manages, shall they go MIA ?

Hmmm, it appears that is precisely what Hhampuz did....

According to you.
Why didn't the rightful owner of funds raise their voice ? Who did Hhampuz steal from ?
No one is claiming whatever, except for you.

You know what ?
The sun is purple. I tell you. Trust me, because I say so.

Someone should tell the aggrieved party to put one of them newfangled flags on Hhampuz. I think that's how it's supposed to work nowadays.

It appears that Hhampuz took out a loan in the amount of 0.5 btc not long before he what I now believe to be him stealing the btc from BestMixer.

Based on the above, I believe Hhampuz to have used the money from BestMixer to repay his debts.

I think you accidently forgot to include a link to his loan request.

It was made in private....

So you are basing your statement on the feedback that Darkstar left him, without knowing when the loan took place or without having a txid to prove the funds are connected to ChipMixer?

The feedback was left on 08/06/2019, over two and a half weeks after he allegedly embezzled 0.53 BTC. You aren't supplying any facts here (as usual), just more figments of your imagination.

I do have txids and I know the loan was taken prior to the funds being stolen by Hhampuz.

If you are so confident that Hhampuz is innocent, why don’t you ask him about the loan? Or are you more concerned about protecting Hhampuz...

You are accusing him of stealing funds, not me. Why are you withholding information which could back up your accusation? Post the txids (and how you have obtained them) and loan date please.

No victim, no case.

Case closed.

Bye bye quicksie. Whatever he has done, Bestmixer trusted him with the control of the funds, not you. Stop stirring shit up.

So ... basically everyone of us should blindly believe in what you say ?
Is that it or am I missing something ?

In the end, it's only your words, and they aren't very convincing...
Hhampuz never resorted to stuff like "self-escrow" for all I know.  ::)

You must've missed his post where he claims to have the txid's and loan date. He just doesn't feel like posting them.

37892d5fa2478958ef322e6261a9dd6695943affc175f40109b98381f9bee99d
Loan date: May 10, 2019
Amount 0.5 BTC
Date of theft: May 22, 2019

Where is the link to Hhampuz and this address?

I couldn't find anything for the address in question.

32KWpF9URwysaHmyvYJFN9RNJ9iBsCX6rE belongs to Hhampuz

This is the address where Hhampuz receives the payment for managing all of his signature campaigns.

For example, to 32kwpF...6rE is 44e85e0c987db8768d69cc0201d59a639483c0201424ebe215e6a5b1903eae1b which is from bc1qfsra7mfzu3e9kkx53kacfg25e65xu75lgllqrk -- he posted a link to the above txid here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146235.msg51447419#msg51447419), indicating he paid the week three payments for the BitcoinCasino.com signature campaign. This address is part of [6df4a1879c] (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/6df4a1879c7e3e31?from_address=bc1qfsra7mfzu3e9kkx53kacfg25e65xu75lgllqrk) on walletexplorer. Also from this address is 8c3b182116928314fa0bcb4f4c6a99a967a786e7b505f400ca5ea8f3446faa56 which Hhampuz posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146235.msg51364883#msg51364883), and 01ee6575c59e3664a5c012f607f9bfce18cffceba5329362a78a6e0bf603f2c4 which Hhampuz posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146235.msg51275328#msg51275328), both for the same signature campaign. Each time, as part of the payments to participants for this campaign, he sends himself 0.0225 BTC.


Looking at other transactions received by 32kwpF...6rE, 5fb428c2a968df5ba884a19a77dd2bf894e1e9e0ce0697f1f0098c9ba3486fa6 was posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147017.msg51389576#msg51389576), and 5f16ba490237a1cda6e4c1cef5cbb172ece4c48474568c7705ce8fe2f2c2d00a was posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147017.msg51301679#msg51301679), both from bc1qqc69ylxx9d6vm3j35vqxd3t90fxulr7n22rsnt both in the amount of 0.02 BTC and both in the PlayBetr signature campaign threads.


Also to 32kwpF...6rE is a0365aa7d569d24b738e0acffd0a89f5b8f59be14ada229faf59164543f8ca6c which is from 1Nz6yBEKg8Wr8zGVZcxTrQUbGneRXbChij which also sent BTC to Hhampuz via f1de4e80724bb26352d6889aeff249bae2063dc95b7363f2a08943aa7d6732d3 9328e72667cb49a7c9b257dda145d219347efe97a7164f897f0cfcb52fc54780 e128901031405a773ce6f5ad41f8ddb5bd2f88b96b15e631b3561d1a0a0fc86c and abc337ab33cd691c5d2d8d7e91276157a23276be6b8030a349343a367fd8a78a .... none of these transactions were posted by Hhampuz, however they were all either immidiately before or after 24427e9d1e7df01f5e5552a1cc67196d9093e1fda49e7298c019f72e3eb38816 which Hhampuz posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg50636549#msg50636549), 299ffbe32197672df2da3aca53e9c52580d0b248cf36534c1d700bf2b34a9427 posted here (http://299ffbe32197672df2da3aca53e9c52580d0b248cf36534c1d700bf2b34a9427), 0d23a199251cee7f60ac539ee5e211e6a73192478f26950de9e0c94da1832a81 posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg50943888#msg50943888), e16b5109391e1f7a38a80010dbef31a85ef6fc6ba0ac6c627fb198615b57714c posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg51054558#msg51054558), 8bdbd1de5c240c793db410dc7b4860d828492bb9b8f8f17b3544507b054aa2d9 posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg51160532#msg51160532), all of the transactions are from 1Nz6yBEKg8Wr8zGVZcxTrQUbGneRXbChij and are posted in the LiveCoin signature campaign. Some of the transactions (not mentioned) immidiately before/after the LiveCoin signature payments were sent to other addresses than 32kwpF...6rE and some of the LiveCoin signature payments have small amounts additionally sent to 32kwpF...6rE that is not accounted for on his spreadsheet.

To even further strengthen the connection to Hhampuz, 572f1c9db10f5a1841165bea13baaa7ba59c85404798eecca9c02ef3f9a5c597 sent BTC to 32kwpF...6rE which was from 3MFaRCvArRg5ELaoUotHpDcVCaHSpDgDGn   which Hhampuz posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148765.msg51272042#msg51272042) as the payment address for a raffle. As a side note, the BTC in 3MFaRCvArRg5ELaoUotHpDcVCaHSpDgDGn eventually made its way into a Poloniex account that does not belong to Hhampuz, which indicates he was selling a physical coin not belonging to him, but that is off topic here.

The tl;dr is Hhampuz consistently received transactions to 32kwpF...6rE either as part of, or immediately before/after transactions that paid participants of three signature campaigns he is/was running, and received a transaction directly from a raffle he was hosting.

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Back to the transaction in which Hhampuz received his 0.5BTC loan, 37892d5fa2478958ef322e6261a9dd6695943affc175f40109b98381f9bee99d is from bc1qjw4n3mu5q2hlzjca3ufkhyn7pzmw6pshruzu9f which belongs to DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/T19/DarkStar_.txt). The loan was received on May 10, and 32kwpF...6rE is part of [021ea21872] (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/021ea218727fb17f?from_address=32KWpF9URwysaHmyvYJFN9RNJ9iBsCX6rE) on WalletExplorer. This wallet, and other addresses I found that had known personal funds of Hhampuz had a zero or near zero balance immidiately after receiving 0.5BTC from DarkStar_.

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I had discovered the loan some time ago, and as I told DarkStar_, I did not want to screw him over in exposing the loan before he was repaid, decreasing the chances he would be repaid. It was pointed out to me that DarkStar_ had recently sent trust to Hhampuz for repaying the 0.5BTC loan, and it looks like Hhampuz also gave DarkStar_ positive trust for this loan.

This seems rather a violent and nasty reply.

Hhampuz seems rather shady lately.

1. refusing to be transparent in his campaign selection process
2. supporting the dox and placing at risk the forum treasurer and the boards funds.
3. Now he is engaging in trust flag abuse
4. it appears that he may be stealing btc

Please deal with the fact people that sometimes seemingly do the right thing for a time can go off the rails. Hhampuz is demonstrating he is clearly not fit to be a campaign manager lately for the sake of the reputation of the projects that use his "service"

what other projects is hhampuz "managing funds for" this should perhaps be brought to their attention to alert them of the distinct and real dangers here with this individual.

Where is the txid from Hhampuz to Darkstar, linking the ChipMixer outputs to Darkstar's address?

You still haven't posted any hard evidence, just assumptions (circumstantial evidence at the very most).

Not necessary jackass. It is trivial to move coins from ChipMixer to another mixer, and this can be repeated multiple times.

I have proven both that Hhampuz has stolen money from BestMixer, and that he had a loan outstanding in roughly the amount he stole as of this time.

No mouthbreather, all you have proven is that Hhampuz took a loan on May 10th and moved the remaining Bestmixer campaign funds to a different address on May 22nd. The rest of your conclusions are just fabrications of a clouded mind.

Since the address you posted shows part of Hhampuz's transactions you can see that he earned ~0.42 BTC between May 10th and May 22nd. He earned over 0.65 BTC before the end of the 23rd, meaning that he is roughtly earning over 0.3 BTC per week. Seems like Hhampuz is perfectly capable of repaying any loan without embezzling campaign funds.

No, I think we're supposed to admire how sinister and clairvoyant Hhampuz is - he got a loan knowing in advance that Bestmixer is gonna get shut down leaving him exactly the right amount to repay the loan.

I think you're onto something. Sounds super smart to wreck his credibility and reputation, risking a steady income of ~1.2 BTC per month, to embezzle 0.5 BTC. Especially since it's a well known fact that many people pay close attention to anything that happens during a closure (or exit scam).

No, Hhampuz is not clairvoyant. It's obvious that he is an agent working undercover for the Dutch government. Hhampuz knew the shit was about to go down by the 10th, so he asked Darkstar_ for the loan. After all, it was a Friday, and Hhmapuz wanted to have a wild weekend. Hookers and blow don't come cheap.

Is Hhampuz able to flag QS for this thread? Potentially trying to harm him gaining new clients, so technically couldn't that be considered personal loss?

I believe Hhampuz already has supported this flag. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=79 I'm not certain that he can invoke a red flag, since I don't think the terms of the signature campaign specified implicitly or explicitly that anyone butthurt by getting the boot couldn't cook up some conspiracy theory.

If he suffers a loss as a result of this frivolous accusation I'd say at least the 3-year red flag is warranted. The implied contract clause should cover premeditated attacks. For example, if someone hacks my account and steals money am I not allowed to red-flag them just because I didn't have a "no hack" contract with them?

Hhampuz has other bills to pay other than the loan. From the 10th until the 27th, he would spend all of the bitcoin he received to that wallet within a couple of days. He has previously publicly said he does not have a traditional 9 to 5 job. He went from having zero on the 27th to over 0.55 BTC to repay (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/dfa7b822da1192bde63f71d881b3141aa33c1273ea85c6c3951c2b2c43c7bf3c) the loan on June 8th.

You choose to ignore the facts, and are acting in bad faith, as per usual.

He most likely took out the loan because he was in need of money at the time. He took advantage of BestMixer closing to use the money to repay the loan.

There is no evidence that he makes that much money. No, selling off his assets, or withdrawing BTC from an exchange is not income.

Moving funds =/= spending. You can't conclude anything about his income or spending pattern by looking at 1 address. You're just pissing in the wind here (as usual).

piss off you fucking snowflake.

you're trying to destroy someone's reputation with baseless accusations.

so you can stick your little vendetta far up your arse.

cunt.

 ::)

So, basically what you're trying to say is that, Hhampuz took a loan from DarkStar_ (I know about that as I can see his post history) at the time when Bestmixer was going to shut all their operations? And you think he knew that before and did everything intentionally?

Well, as you said you've got txid, why are you crossing your own words (by putting those IDs in suspense) and saying that he purchased Chips from Chipmixer which ended (specifically, landed) to DarkStar's address/es? You should really come up with great evidence to prove him guilty, else you're again trying to harm "just another guy's" reputation here.

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True, people here can easily use more than 10s of 100s of addresses every single day, so it's not really easy for anyone to "assume" about anybody's spends and earnings here.

How wicked is it QS when you first claim things like you know everything and then speak about assumptions. Assumptions are not gonna work but proofs, to let you make us believe that what you're saying is actually true. I've not personal grudges with you whatsoever, but I guess we need some more drama here eh!  ;)

I am saying that I have presented substantial evidence that Hhampuz has a loan outstanding as of immediately prior to when BestMixer shut down. I have no reason to believe he knew about this ahead of time. I am saying that he took advantage of the situation to repay his debt with money belonging to BestMixer. The repayment happened either directly or indirectly with BestMixer money— meaning that he may have run the specific inputs through one or more mixers before repaying the loan and he may have used BestMixers money to pay other bills/expenses and as a result was able to use other inputs to repay the loan that he would have otherwise used to pay those bills.

I don’t think he would have taken the loan if he knew about BestMixer closing in advance. Others bringing this up are trying to create a distraction.
I am not sure what you mean here. There is evidence that Hhampuz
*had a loan outstanding as of when BestMixer closed down.
*moved the money belonging to BestMixer to a mixer (chipmixer) immediately after BestMixer closed.

There is also evidence that Hhampuz earns his living from his business here and as such he cannot use all of his earnings to repay any loan he takes out. He must use some of his earnings to pay for things like rent, food, utilities and other bills he may have. 
See above. The specific fact set that can be proven will allow a reasonable person to conclude that Hhampuz stole money for his personal use.

I hope that you will self-reflect one day and realise how much you come across as a mouthbreather. I bet he has a lot of trouble paying a few bills with 1+ BTC a month.

As for the circumstantial evidence link... there is some substance to it but it is marginal, in my opinion.

I'm not quite sure why the funds moved but here's something of note:

Assuming a steady income of bitcoin, Hhampuz has the ability to repay the loan.
The loan terms are unknown therefore we cannot conclude anything of the date of repayment.
We can assume but we do not know how much bitcoin Hhampuz has in any alternative wallets.
We can assume but we do not know how much bitcoin Hhampuz makes in a given period of time.
We can assume but we cannot conclude.

What if he has a pill addiction, that can be costly. Just saying. I mean there is about as much evidence of that as anything else.


nullius, is that you bud?

Merit count exceeding post count combined with Merriam-Webster trips my sock alarm.

Edit: V8's post explaining that ChemicalSpillage is actmyname's official alt was deleted for some reason so... ChemicalSpillage is actmyname's official alt.

     Oh my, it appears Hhampuz needs an intervention.  :o  Rehab can be expensive. Perhaps we should put a fund together so community members can pitch in. We will have QS act as escrow. But will Hhampuz even go? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc)

Ok, let's assume what you're saying is right and again, Hhampuz used BestMixer's money and circulated in such a way that the coins were sent to DarkStar_ through a mixer, any evidence on that? Can you prove that the addresses Hhampuz sent back the coins to, belongs to Chipmixer? And btw, as you already know too much about him, I guess you're falling for Hhampuz generally.  <3 :-*


Please decide to whether you're trying to accuse him of his "SCAM* or complimenting him side by side.


Once again I'd like to reiterate here that there are no valid evidences which prove your accusations to be correct and you're just shooting arrows in the dark. Assumptions can't help you ruin anybody's reputation.


So, guess I've made up my mind on him not to be guilty?
Maybe, but this is not something of a partial decision and I don't have any personal issues with you as well.
About being reasonable to come to any conclusions, I guess I'm too expensive to be able to reach one. ;)

The repayment txid was dfa7b822da1192bde63f71d881b3141aa33c1273ea85c6c3951c2b2c43c7bf3c (https://btc.com/dfa7b822da1192bde63f71d881b3141aa33c1273ea85c6c3951c2b2c43c7bf3c). I know this because Darkstar_ previously (https://btc.com/79f64b6abbe1adaa1071345e9e9707e573800f8a696955b320850ee79df37133) had BTC at the repayment address and sent BTC from that address to a deposit address of an exchange/website. Darkstar_ has sent other BTC from known addresses of his to the same deposit address in the past. The transaction that repaid the loan was from known addresses belonging to Hhampuz.

Based on the above, the repayment amount was 0.55BTC and was done on June 7. The blockchain evidence supports the loan amount being 0.5BTC being taken out on May 10. This means Hhampuz paid 10% interest, or 0.05BTC in interest.

The reason why someone would take out a loan is because they want (or need) to pay for something that exceeds the amount of money they have (except for margin loans). There are some exceptions to this, however none would apply when interest, and certainly not 10% interest is being paid. The high price of BTC was ~$7,280, so Hhampuz took out a loan of about $3,640, or whatever that is in Euros. The low price on June 7 was around $7,800, so he paid $390 for the loan.

Hhampuz confirmed (http://archive.is/h3Vc2#selection-51489.207-51489.264) that he makes a living off of "reading posts", so he would need to use his income from the forum to repay the loan, plus pay his bills for the last month.

It is a safe assumption that without the loan, Hhampuz would not have had any personal BTC or personal fiat money unless he were to skip paying some bill/expense, because otherwise he would not have been willing to pay the nearly $400 for the privilege of taking out the loan. This is an assumption, but it would be illogical to say otherwise.

I documented (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147938.msg51448361#msg51448361) above that Hhampuz has the following income from managing signature campaigns:
*0.0225BTC/week from managing the BitcoinCasino.com campaign
*0.02BTC/week from managing the PlayBetr campaign
*What appears to be an average of 0.055BTC/week from managing the LiveCoin campaign

A review of the BitBlender (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100568.msg51244842#msg51244842) signature campaign thread reveals that campaign funds were being paid out of this (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/82fff4135842a682) wallet, which reflects payments to Hhampuz's known address in the amount of approximately 0.045BTC per week.

I reviewed his thread created (https://bitcointalk.org/gettopics.php?user=881377), and was unable to locate any other campaigns he was running as of when he took out the loan.

Based on the above, I would say, he was making approximately 0.1425BTC per week managing signature campaigns. Although one campaign ended 3 weeks after Hhampuz took out the loan, and the BitcoinCasino.com signature campaign is now closed.

Based on the above, Hhampuz only made 0.525BTC managing signature campaigns in the 4 weeks prior to repaying the loan. He may earn an additional 0.08 per month wearing his paid signature, which would raise his total earnings to 0.605BTC.

The 0.55BTC he paid Darkstar_ made up just under 91% of his documented earnings, and the interest alone made up around 8% of his earnings. The argument that he made more than enough to repay the loan does not hold water because he needs to pay his living expenses during this time. 

Don't you ever get tired spending so much time at proving absolutely nothing?

So you came to conclusion that Hhampuz repaid loan and earns 0.5btc+ per month. I am still missing embezzling part.

If owner is unknown, again, to whom will Hhampuz return money? If I borrow someone money and I disappear, how will someone reach me if no one can find me and I don't contact anyone?

(assuming that hhampuz didn't return money)

You forgot about the Fortune Jack campaign. However, the participants are paid via their Fortune Jack account. Each participant gets .02 BTC per week. Hhampuz probably gets more than that...

I accounted for his FJ signature:
I am not sure why you believe he is getting paid more than 0.02/week. The majority of his posts are one liners that don't have any real insight, nor is any real effort put into his posts. I don't see why any reasonable person would even accept him into a signature campaign that isn't accepting anyone with a pulse.

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The loan does give a motive for Hhampuz to steal from BestMixer, however proving the existence of the loan or that hhampuz would not otherwise be able to repay the loan is not necessary to prove that money was stolen from BestMixer. There remains blockchain evidence that Hhampuz stole money from the BestMixer signature campaign and moved it to chipmixer to hide where it went next.

Or he simple mixed and moved the funds to protect his employer?

I really don't see why you are making a big deal out of this while you still only have circumstantial evidence. It's not like he accepted 20 BTC, which were likely stolen prior to accepting them, from a well known scammer to perform a task, fail to complete it and never repay the funds.

Ok. I think you didn't see this:

Ah, this makes sense.



The issue with using fragmented circumstantial evidence is that you are using portions of the whole picture. If we think about how cherry-picking statistics can bring about false truths, then there is the possibility thereof with a similar cherry-picking of circumstantial evidence.

The scenario: it's possible but uncertain.

I don't think that makes sense. Maybe I should clarify, that this is not at all logical. BestMixer would not benefit to having the money hidden because the fact the money exists is still public.

With the money hidden from public view, his employer does not know if Hhampuz has any intention of repaying the excess money, and his former employer will need to take a risk to even ask for the money back. Further, mixing the coins can be trivially done by BestMixer themselves when the money is returned.

As I have previously stated, when dealing with other people's money, you should not get the benefit of the doubt. Hhampuz has not even bothered to respond to this thread in a meaningful way or otherwise, instead he has relied on various proxies to either try to derail the thread or to give ludicrous explanations. Nor has Hhampuz bothered to even confirm he will return the money to BestMixer promptly upon their request for him to do so. I would point out that it is pretty standard for the default response to a scam accusation is to leave negative trust until a response is given.

If Hhampuz does not know where to return the money to, he should keep it exactly where it was. If there is some reason why he needs to move the money, for example to move it to cold storage, he should provide public notice so the owner can be aware of the move, even if not logged in. If the owner has previously agreed to pay a minimum fee that Hhampuz intends on continuing to charge, he should similarly provide public notice so the owner has a way to be aware they need to ask for their money to be returned or else continue incurring these charges.

Would they benefit from having the location of the money as an unknown to the public?

After all, you presume it resides with DarkStar_ now as a result of Hhampuz's loan. What if this is not the case?

No. The existence of the money is still known to the public. Once you disclose the existence of the money publicly, you lose the benefit of hiding its exact location. As previously stated, it would be trivial for BextMixer to later mix the money themselves once returned to them.

Hhampuz has other bills. The money could have been used to pay for his various living expenses so that his forum earnings could be used to solely repay the loan.

What?

Double standards as usual.

Hhampuz is the campaign manager for the Fortune Jack signature campaign. Each participant gets paid .02 BTC per week. I would think the campaign manager would get paid more than the participants. Especially since he is also wearing the signature.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3248711.0

Let us know when you have a viable scam accusation then, with facts and proof and stuff. So far all we can see is just some speculation based on your assumption that Hhampuz was not authorized to move the funds. There is no plausible reason to think that way. He was entrusted with far larger amounts even in that same campaign. He can surely be trusted to handle the remaining 0.5 BTC the way he's supposed to, whether it needs to be returned to BestMixer, or held for a while, or converted to fiat, or if that's his compensation or perhaps half a dozen other possible reasons.

Embezzlement wouldn't be the first thought for a reasonable observer but for you it's the only thought. Something's seriously wrong with the way you're put together. If you directed this much effort into finding a job you could be doing much better than you did with the Livecoin signature.

Hold on suchmoon. How about you tell your pals to stick to the SAME super strict standards for making allegations? they just tell outright lies. QS's case seems plausible and undeniable in certain respects.

Please stop pushing double standards and moving the goal posts to suit you and your friends.

This latest action by hhampuz along with his support for doxing a forum treasurer would be grounds enough for red trust by your pals.

That's without him refusing to provide a transparent set of rules and guidelines to apply equally to all members for his campaigns so we can see he is not gaming his position and acting in a corrupt manner.

Now he is trust abusing other members on super weak sauce grounds likely trying to discourage others for speaking up.

This all looks like behavior projects will seek to distance themselves from. We will be raising these observable instances with them to get their own comments.

Not sure who you think my "pals" are but I've been against giving red trust for opinions/trolling and haven't red-trusted you for your incessant trolling, sockpuppeting, or red trust evasion.

However in return for me advocating marlboroza to remove your red trust you just increased your attacks on me so I'm not going to fault any "pals" for treating you as an utterly insane untrustworthy troll, particularly with the new meaning of red trust ("high-risk"). I can understand why some users would see dealing with you as high-risk, even though I think you're just a hyperactive shitposter with an axe to grind. I don't think you would be able to scam anyone so I don't support it the yellow box but not going to oppose it either.

None of this has anything to do with the topic though. Not going to feed you here anymore, please find an appropriate place to vent your grievances.

Your pals are those you have obviously been including on to DT all this time knowing they are PROVEN scammers and liars , as well as having a ton of other financially motivated dirt attached to them. People you try to stab theymos in the back over to avoid excluding them as proven scammers and liars - like lauda.

Don't bullshit people - you are smart enough (just) not to blatantly abuse the old trust system but then want to get those people banned for fighting for a 2 000 000 000 USD compensation offer  LOL the compensation offer that your scamming pal lauda was trying to prevent the board having. Yeah support those who try to scam the board out of a 2 000 000 000 usd compensation offer (whilst talking up his scam coins) but those fighting for compensation and the truth to be known,  and fair distribution on MANY other projects are untrustworthy LOL

You selectively try to bring your STRICT 100% PROOF or not guilty rules against you and your pals but here you openly make accusations where there can be NO PROOF.

High risk financially for whistle blowing on your friends and ensuring they don't benefit from the double standards you push. LOL

Bring the trolling examples or else I will have to make you number 2 on the trolling trolling trolls thread.

You were treated with gracious respect by the true legend before you started attacking him so fuck off pretending you got turned on for being "nice " to him. You are the back stabber as we just noticed when you tried to spin theymos's gracious back door ejection of lauda the scammer and trust abuser as a sneaky devious and heavy handed tactic. He should have just black listed the vile scamming shit stain and not given you the opportunity to try and cast him in a poor light over it for being nice.

HHampuz looks dirty EVEN IF IT IS NOT PROVEN based on the items I have previously detailed. There is no point disputing it. Or if you wish to then go ahead, just gives up more chance to harp on about all of those points that look NEGATIVE.

Any non gang member would certainly have a lemons flag at minimum for that ton of shit if they had their way.

Your gang have been spouting for months that a person that may possibly dox should have a tag. HHampuz supported the doxing of a forum treasurer thus endangering him and the entire boards funds.
 

Start applying THE SAME STANDARDS to all members or keep on facing us calling you out as a double standards manipulative fat piece of shit proxy puppet of lauda/possible alt.  You were previously found kissing theymos's ass on everything (that suited your agenda ie crap gamed merit system, or anything else your or your pals coudl weaponize for your own ends) until LAUDA suddenly got called into question. You did not hesitate to back stab theymos directly and publicly. That revealed you for who you really are. It was the best thing that could have happened actually. You are more dangerous than Lauda, he is blatant and open about his abuse and not that careful about lying and scamming. You are far more devious and sneaky. Perhaps 2 different sides to the same coin.

Bring the trolling specific examples. So we can debunk your claims.

Start being fair or just keep getting derided and crushed in public by OBSERVABLE INSTANCES!!!!  your call.

This right here seems to be your problem. Disagreeing with someone is stabbing in the back, and agreeing with someone is asskissing. You'll be ridiculed here for as long as you're unable to figure out that there's stuff between those extremes.

You might want to get back on topic though. Last I heard you're on thin ice as far as shitposting goes.

So admin are conferring with your directly over the delicacy of the ice on which we are standing? really since when? or are you referring to more of your weaponizing of broken metrics like deleted posts. Well go report all the one word posts from 6 years back you dumb shit to make it even more obvious you are trying to weaponize anything you can to push your agenda. Oh wait we don't have any and all other other deleted posts are being documented to demonstrate the deletes are invalid.

No, you were not simply disagreeing. If you disagree then you could have just not did as he requested or pm'd him back to say don't agree (although we would love to hear your case for not agreeing your proven scamming lying should not be in a position of trust). You were making FALSE and unreasonable accusations and suggestions.  You were claiming he was DEMANDING you did and that he was trying to make it "secret" even when he send it to over 100 persons.  Saying he should have done it in public - lol yeah I am sure lauda would have loved the entire board seeing theymos say " come on dt members time to cast out this scamming piece of shit who thinks he makes the rules here but is just another broke down euro trash fool"  Theymos tried to usher him out the back door. Should have blacklisted him and you dirt bag. I would say it is you guys on thin ice.

There is no person here who can ridicule us without it getting bitch slapped back in their faces immediately. You can not ridicule observable instances nor discredit them. Start comprehending this and you will perhaps save yourself the humiliation you have previously suffered at the hands of real legends.

To bring this back on topic the above explanation is vital for the reader since suchmoon is again caught trying to mislead via sneaky means. Her double standards and requirement of 100% proof only apply to her friends.  Same with her crying that posting a persons PM is untrustworthy and caught previously doing it herself.

With regard her "opinions" on hhampuz, thoroughly investigate and compare it in the context of her other pals lauda and hhmpuz, tman, owlcatz, these people are all caught in dirty looking financially motivated behaviors. You start to see a pattern of the types of people she tries to defend. If suchmoon is rushing to the defense of anyone you better really be careful. Do your own DD.

Hhampuz is looking more dirty by the day. Suchmoon turning up here is not a positive thing for him.

Anyone refusing to be transparent when dealing with sig campaign selection is a huge red flag. This 0.5BTC being "Liberated" from a project to save it sounds suspect and should not be forgotten about.

Awesome, I think I found a way to harness your energy for a good cause.

Craig Satoshi Wright is totally not a fraud (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.0)

Please go to the above thread and prove how wrong I am.

I don't really understand where are people actually coming in your defense when you look clearly confused and jumbled in your own thoughts trying to shuffle things and repeat back the same music you've had been constantly singing since you tried to inflame things here. Why are you blaming Hhampuz when you're not clear whether you know his actual earnings are more than what the repayment amount was? As well, one more question here:
Do you personally know Hhampuz?
As that's the only way someone can be very thoughtful and known to things like ^bills and living expenses^ as you've described here so clearly in your words. It's actually weird because everyone here has a life, so there's nothing new that we heard.

I have no idea what you are saying. It is not a complicated concept that a person needs to pay for living expenses on an ongoing basis. It is also not a complicated concept to expect a person to not be able to use all of their income to go towards a loan.

The loan is only evidence of a motive. There is blockchain evidence to support the underlying accusation that remains true regardless of motive.

Is it possible that Hhampuz is in a position where they are not the ones paying for all/most of their living expenses?

If you are looking for an excuse for saying Hhampuz is innocent, then sure, his landlady actually pays him for living where he lives. Realistically, looking at the blockchain around his known addresses and other public information, I can confidently say this is not the case.

If Hhampuz wants to go on the record to say that he has no/few living expenses, or some other excuse others have offered for him, he is free to do so. If he does make this kind of assertion, unless there is evidence to the contrary, it would be unreasonable to not accept it as fact, however without the assertion coming from him, the mere possibility falls outside of the scope of reasonable doubt. If he were to make an assertion in his defense that is shown to be untrue, he would be shown to have lied, and it would be additional evidence he is trying to cover up what actually happened.

Also

So we're back to "he hasn't denied it so it must be true" bullshit :)

Which brings us to this.....

No. it is not reasonable to assume what is being suggested is actually true. Further there is blockchain evidence of the theft.

You probably lost a negative there trying to be too clever, but damn right, your whole speculation is not reasonable.


Except there isn't. All you have is the fact that coins moved. You made up the rest of the story.

I think, at this point, we are spinning in circle and we have reached start point. With lack of proofs it is impossible to prove anything.

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Hhampuz is actually secret code for sting operation which lasted for a year and money was later seized by Europol. Of course, I made this up and theory is extremely likely not true but I guess it is OK to have at least one theory in this thread. Now prove me wrong...

And I have no idea why the hell are you trying to stretch it hard, very hard and push us to believe what you're trying to make us believe. You said Hhampuz had ~BTC0.54 earnings during that month + BTC0.08 extra for his signature and avatar totalling it to more than BTC0.6 (enough to repay his loan). One more thing, Hhampuz had been here and working since more than 2-3 months and if we even average his earnings out based on that (half of it each month if not full BTC0.6), he still had his money to repay his loan to DarkStar_


I've the same thing here to say what suchmoon said: You're making stories here, so stop doing it (I mean stop trying it here and go, write a story like this for a movie and you may get your 100 BTC back to start your lending business back, then you may decide not to lend Hhampuz  :-*).

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I'm still looking for an explanation to your comment. I don't see how you can't obfuscate the output of the escrowed 0.5 BTC in order to prevent the tracking of the funds. Sure, you might know the amount... but how do you trace it from just that metric?

Maybe you're onto something that can break certain privacy-coins. :)

I don't think we should be side tracked by speculating on "other " motives either way. People do not need an EXTRA motivation/incentive to take 0.5 btc  "for free".  Give most people here an opportunity to take 0.5 btc that is not theirs if the opportunity is there and you will see that it gets taken as could be the case here.

Saying well hhampuz "should" have the funds to repay another loan without this 0.5 BTC does not mean he is not guilty of what the initial post asserts. WHY are we allowing campaign managers in these positions that even need to take out loans? this looks like needless risk and temptation. Bring in some wealthy people who do it fairly and transparently for some "extra" non essential income. Less temptation to scam or game the entire thing and ensures fairer treatment for all those that apply for the campaign.

Why should anyone be prevented from being a campaign manager if they so choose and other parties are happy to hire them to do so? For someone who is keen on everyone being treated fairly and equally... are you actually suggesting that only rich people should be allowed to have certain jobs now? ???

Strange we never hear your support FOR these FAIR AND TRANSPARENT RULES THAT ENSURE EVERY MEMBER IS TREATED EQUALLY before? 

NO, we mean simply MORE wealthy that those that NEED To take loans out. Look it is simple. Perhaps we must accept people in financial difficulties MAY be MORE likely to feel pressure to do what they believe is essential to survive.

The clear goal here should be FAIR AND TRANSPARENT RULES THAT ENSURE EVERY MEMBER IS TREATED EQUALLY.  So if hhampuz is saying NO i will not be transparent about who and why i hire certain people, and now it looks like 0.5 BTC it could have been liberated from a  projects funds - then perhaps we need people that are not in debte or not needing to borrow money in small amounts from other people.  Both of these things do not look great.

Really it does not matter who is a campaign manager.. so long as if people meet a certain posting standard and are not scammers they get to join the campaign first come first served and they get paid for their posts as per the transparent rules. ANYTHING else is rightly to be termed SHADY and should be rejected.

I very much doubt REAL wealthy people are going to do all this annoying shit that campaign managers have to deal with. Wealthy compared to those in perhaps dire situations financially that could be factors that prevent the fair system we are pushing for.

If ANYONE is not prepared to be transparent and treat all members fairly and not take money that is not theirs then they are NOT a good choice for campaign manager.

Good to know you HCP are now fully going to help pushing for transparent fair standards for all members.

Didn't we all decide that it was because QS got kicked out of one of Hhampuz's campaigns or something like that?  The accusations he's making here are obviously being done out of spite.

On a related note, if I didn't know any better (and I don't), I'd say that QS was an attorney who got disbarred because of mental issues affecting his ability to make logical arguments.  My evidence?  See everything he's written in this thread and pretty much his entire post history as well.

Hhampuz is a good campaign manager and from what I can tell, a decent guy.  There's no telling what happened to those funds and why they moved.  That's between him and his bosses.

::)

That's such a ridiculous concept. That's akin to saying an employer should simply accept the first applicant that comes through the door for a job if they met the minimum specs? Companies pick and choose employees all day every day using all sorts of arbitrary metrics. It isn't shady, that's their right and their freedom of choice. You can't force someone to hire somebody just because they happened to be the first one to put an application in...


At the end of the day, campaign managers are free to have arbitrary rules for joining, that's their prerogative (assuming the employer is fine with it)... So, if you don't like their rules, complain to their employer... or become a campaign manager and run campaigns how you think they should be run. Continually lambasting managers to run campaigns in a manner you find acceptable is not going to change anything. Talk to the people who are actually paying for the campaigns. They are the ones who ultimately control the campaign managers.

No.

I wouldn't start drawing too many direct comparisons between legitimate organisations that are accountable for their actions legally and an anonymous forum, anonymous projects, anonymous employers and anonymous employees. This is a very different situation and to ensure people are treated fairly (as much as possible and there is not gaming , abuse and discrimination) you will need to take a bit of a different approach.

There can be NO ARGUMENT for not having TRANSPARENT rules and thresholds.

You are correct first come first served is not OPTIMAL. However if you want to select the very BEST posters that post the most objectively valuable content then you will need only the VERY SMARTEST campaign managers that can recognize the most valuable post. This makes the work load far larger.

Set a minimum post quality level and go first come first served cuts the workload dramatically and allows the less able minds to be campaign managers.

You claiming campaign managers can use HIDDEN ARBITRARY rules means you are  leaving this entire arena WIDE OPEN TO GAMING AND ABUSE. This leave the projects themselves open to legitimate criticism ESPECIALLY with initial token distribution resulting in collusion and market making. The campaign managers are also open to legitimate criticism regarding kick backs, bribes and favoritism. It leaves the ENTIRE BOARD open to scamming via collusion and market making with regard initial distribution of tokens (if not a btc based payout)

TRANSPARENT RULES that are applied equally to all members is the ONLY way to avoid such criticism and ensure fair opportunities to all members.

You want the very best posters then you better have the VERY SMARTEST campaign managers matching people against TRANSPARENT CRITERIA.

You want a good standard of posters you better have  a good standard of campaign managers matching people against TRANSPARENT CRITERIA.

You want gaming, backhanders, colluding, market making, unfair treatment of all members except those paying back handers, bribes, colluding, "pals" that are not even meeting in most cases a basic level of posting value. Then continue screaming for the right of campaign managers to use HIDDEN ARBITRARY PERSONAL reasons to hire and fire.

NO. Sorry. TRANSPARENT RULES that are applied equally to all persons. THE ONLY FAIR WAY TO ENSURE FAIR TREATMENT AND PROTECT PROJECTS AND CAMPAIGN MANAGERS AND THE ENTIRE BOARD OF INVESTORS. Since if you allow the initial distributions of projects to be gamed then you bring the danger to every person here.

"hidden arbitrary rules like....errr must be called tman, cabalism13  LOL or some other low functioning schmuck " lol

No thanks. Transparent criteria ALL members are matched against EQUALLY.

Hhampuz REFUSES to be transparent. Hhampuz opens himself and his projects up to legitimate criticism.

This is going off topic. So to bring it back on topic let' agree to take this debate off to another thread if you do not believe I have demonstrated you are incorrect.

This is only partially relevant to this thread and the matter of hhampuz potentially taking 0.5btc that was not his to take. If he was not refusing to be transparent with regard his selection process. I think that would cause the readers here to feel it "less" likely he was stealing the money for himself and perhaps there was another more legit explanation. Same the with supporting of doxxing the forum treasurer. If people see a pattern of potentially shady behaviors then that can cast a shadow other ambiguous behaviors... possibly.

We notice also you happen to be one of the lucky few chosen to wear the chipmixer sig? this the reader should also factor into the possible motives for wishing for these hidden arbitrary "reasons" for the selection process to remain AS THEY ARE NOW.  People generally that benefit from the status quo are generally loath change for the "better".  We do NOT say that IS your reason. Perhaps you believe the specious argument you presented for real. Hopefully now we have given you cause to reconsider and have helped you see it would be far better for ALL if it was more PROVABLY FAIR.

No, but you're happy to insinuate it. Nice way to try and take a parting potshot with your ever so virtuous "we're getting off topic, lets take this elsewhere, but first let me just sling some mud in your direction" approach to debating. ::)


The only thing proven in this thread regarding the movement of funds from the Bestmixer campaign address... was that the funds were moved. There is NO OBSERVABLE PROOF for the reason why these funds were moved. Everything regarding the motives as to why they were moved is currently speculation and circumstantial evidence.

The only person who knows why the funds were moved is Hhampuz, and I haven't seem them post anything regarding this. If anyone has any actual proof of Hhampuz "embezzling" funds, I'd be happy to see it.

Hhampuz hasn’t stolen shit. QS was just pissed off about being kicked from his campaign and now TAA is here as the fool has no mates and wants to impress QS.

If Hhampuz is proven to of stolen these funds from his employer I’ll pay the 0.5BTC, is that good enough for everyone who isn’t involved here? Or I suppose next someone will say I don’t have the funds and to prove it?

Yeah well, it seemed valid when first posted but after considering the entire situation and thinking about reasons why Hhampuz might not want to comment on this, I changed my stance.  I don't happen to think Hhampuz stole any funds, though I can't say what happened to them or why.  However, given that the mixer service was shut down on the drop of a pin, there are a lot of possibilities and I'm willing to give Hhampuz the benefit of the doubt on this one.

It's also not out of character for you, QS, to create a scam accusation like this out of spite.  That's all I'm saying.

Feel free to DM me if you need to loan 0.5 BTC.

These are obviously assumptions and we also state false accusations.

The reader should be aware that TMAN has been involved in prior behaviors such as these mentioned by one of the most TRUSTED users on this forum ognasty. We quote ognasty below in red

Harassed user zeroxal as part of a confirmed and documented extortion scheme.

More details on the situation can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

TMAN used minerjones to anonymously auction a KIALARA and then attempted to manipulate the auction by stating, "wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.msg19286369#msg19286369

Admission it was his auction:
"Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.msg19349060#msg19349060

He also claimed I was trying to "pretend" my casascius coins were loaded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.0

He then sent BTC to my publicly known address unsolicited and claimed I was trying to self escrow: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946305.0

I don't trust this user, and his behavior on this forum in the time period from 6/2/17-6/4/17 should make that clear to anyone.


Along with these prior examples of shady behaviors Tman is vouching for hhampuz here. Let's not forget hhampuz is the person who supported the public dox of ognasty and refuses to be transparent regarding his hiring and firing during his campaign management.

When you have people like Tman showing up to "vouch" for you NOT stealing that is not essentially a good sign. Coupled with the other prior behaviors of hhampuz then it is reasonable NOT to just give him the benefit of the doubt. The truth would be better known and until it is then caution should be advised.

Tman is also making many other false claims regarding our own motivation for requesting hhampuz is TRANSPARENT in many areas. There is no personal affiliation with QS and visa versa.  QS has also made it clear our support is not appreciated since he does not approve of our more direct and at times less diplomatic methods. Sadly we take no council from any other members when it comes to supporting FAIR and TRANSPARENT rules that apply EQUALLY to ALL members.

If we believe QS is correct then we will support his argument regardless of his or anyone else wishes that we stay clear. If we believe he is INCORRECT or that his argument does NOT support a fair and transparent system we will refute his points. He seems to operate under the same MO. I don't believe it is reasonable to believe QS or ourselves are types that care for making friends. If something is correct then it gets supported. If it is incorrect then it gets opposed.

In this case although there is no PROOF of wrongdoing we feel it prudent that it was brought to light and that this can be added to the list of shady or unknown actions of hhampuz for a reference. Perhaps at another time hhampuz will be transparent over this matter.

@HCP

there was no parting pop shot. It is quite clear and sensible to suggest that a person that has gained what they want with the status quo will not push for changes that increase the competition. Stating human nature is human nature is not something I'm sure the reader will take as a revelation.

If you wish to deny that could be part of your motivation, then that is fine. It is possible. Perhaps you wish there were transparent rules for provably fair competition and fair distribution.

Funny, I would think all the reasons Hhampuz would not want to publicly comment on the situation would involve him being guilty in this case. Also, since you have made your original statement, it has been shown that Hhampuz was in need of a loan similar in size to the amount of money that is unaccounted for not long prior to when the money went missing -- if anything this would change a reasonable person's opinion in favor of Hhampuz being guilty, as it documents motive to steal from BestMixer.

My opinion is you made your second post trying to increase the post count for that paid signature of yours, after forgetting what you had previously posted.

Except there is evidence the money has been stolen, there is motive in the form of a loan, and multiple people have acknowledged there is ample evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hhampuz.

Voices in your head don't count.

FTFY

This post is a smear attempt by someone with a history of defending scammers in order to divert attention away from Hhampuz.

Anyone is free to review this thread for themselves and make their own decision.

This entire thread is a smear attempt by someone with a history of taking things out of context, claiming figments of imagination as 'proof', wrongfully accusing DT1 members for personal satisfaction and using alt accounts to manipulate discussions and threads.

Anyone is free to review his post history for themselves and make their own decision.

Any proof yet?

He hasn’t stolen shit, he moved funds (which anyone else with half a brain would also of done) just because QS has a hardon for HHampuz at the moment the thread was started, then all the smelly vagina buthurt pajeets are in posting. It’s bollocks, I’ve already offered to cover the amount “if” QS is correct, pretty sure if asked another 10 people would come in to offer the same reassurance. Snowfucker is safe as houses, shit he is holding some of my collectibles right now that pretty much cover this anyway, he maybe shit with money and takes a load of loans but that in no way makes him a bad bet with anyone else’s funds.

Nothing to see here other than some sig spamming (not you QS) and a load of smelly pajeet fucks, everyone else in here is speaking sense

The reader should look up a few posts to our prior informational post regarding your own history here. It is no advisable to take the word of one with such a dark looking history. Both hhampuz and tman and their pal lauda have VERY shady looking histories. Hhampuz is perhaps not look quite as bad as the other 2. But until the "truth" is known regarding the 0.5btc then it is best not to make any assumptions either way. The matter in our opinion when you consider the OTHER less than ideal behaviors looks CONCERNING.

Tman just repeating his known "pal" is fine and it's all bollocks along with his usual MO of childish swearing plus obsession with smelly vaginas and other hygiene issues that seem to crop up frequently in his posts means NOTHING.

This is one to take note of and observer future behaviors of transparent and fair campaign management and indeed any other financially related behaviors.

So then there we have it. No more regurgitated discussion because that's all we'll have without Hhampuz's reply... which I don't expect to come any time soon.

You can start the precedence of assuming guilt based on unanswered accusations now if you'd like.

What makes you assume we believe he is guilty? you are seemingly trying to put words in our mouth. We believe it "looks" bad but could have a believable and reasonable answer that would demonstrate it to be other wise.

We clearly said that in light of the OTHER instances of behavior that are far from optimal this should merely be NOTED down for further investigation at another time. Or to form part of the context in the future.

We believe that the reader should make up their own minds, but do so in the context of the other instances of sub optimal and what some would certainly term shady or untrustworthy behavior.

We believe it is possible or perhaps even probable but nobody knows hhampuz reason for liberating or moving the btc away from that address. Only hhampuz knows and he is choosing to remain silent. That is his own choice.


Are you claiming to believe he is innocent without doubt?  

Do you consider the supporting of doxing a forum treasurer a good thing?

Are you claiming that OTHER MEMBERS have not been given scam tags for FAR LESS?

Previously DT would likely just say, tell us what happened or red tag time. You know this attack first before the proof/explanation to protect others theory.

Yes... these irrelevant points should be discussed on a separate thread.

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Nothing.

You are doing the same.

All that we know so far come from presumptions towards either side.

So... character evidence?

Sorry we thought we were on the other thread replying to you.

Then we are on the same page for the most part it seems on the guilt/non guilt. ha well so to speak (not an intentional joke)


Think of it like this. Say you had children and you were considering getting a new dog. You don't mind and perhaps even enjoy to  hear from all the people that said hes a lovely dog, he can catch a stick, he shits outside straight in the poop bag, he  shakes paws with you. You REALLY MUST HEAR the person that shows you the video of that dog attacking a kid in the park and biting its fingers off. That is an extreme example to demonstrate 100's of good reports are null and void under certain circumstances where trust is required when 1 verified BAD report is presented.

When dealing with positions of trust or financial responsibility you want to hear ANY INSTANCES of wrong doing. Not be fooled/distracted by a ton of "good points".
Many scammers are good for a time that is how they gain trust. They can get plenty of character evidence.

When applying to work in the bank they do a criminal back ground check not ask you to bring your pals in who will tell you want a good laugh you are and generous at buying drinks.

Observable instances of prior wrong doing or supporting those that do wrong are very valid and important context for the reader to consider.

We are simply saying is hhampuz guilty of stealing or not? NOBODY BUT HHAMPUZ knows this, well perhaps bestmixer. Is there a chance he stole it. YES THERE IS. Our opinion is it is worth NOTING DOWN and placing in in the list of hhampuz other observable instances of shady looking or potentially shady looking behaviors.  

We get the point that others are claiming QS brought this to light because he was excluded from HH campaign. The motivation is irrelevant. Plus that may not be true.

1. it does not change if hhampuz stole the btc or not
2. it opens a new can of worms as to WHY hhampuz can exclude/include without giving clear detailed explanation that stands up to scrutiny and seems fair when matched against transparent and fair thresholds that are applied equally to all members.
3. does not alter the support of the dox of the forum treasurer
4. does not change what we believe is HHampuz prior support for observable scammers.

None of the speculation matters if the company does not open a scam accusation.

This thread should not have been made period. I've already stated in this thread it is in my best interest for Hhampuz to be scrutinized but If someone is going to try to crucify the guy they need a solid proof. Speculation is not solid proof.

I have no Ill will towards Hhampuz or the OP but there is 0 accusations from the company so let it go already. If an accusation pops up later then this thread is valid, until then shut the fuck up

The owners of the company are almost certainly hiding from the government and/or are in jail (the former is more likely). The amount involved is smaller than what they are likely to want to care about. This does not change the fact that the theft of the money, as I strongly believe occurred, is any less wrong.

Further, there is blockchain evidence in the OP documenting that Hhampuz moved money from the Bestmixer signature campaign address and eventually moved it into a ChipMixer deposit address.

There is also blockchain evidence that Hhampuz took out a loan in an amount similar to the money missing from the BestMixer signature campaign shortly before the BestMixer campaign closed and the money went missing.

Not counting the loan, there is evidence that money was stolen from BestMixer the probability of which is more likely than not that money was stolen. The loan documents motive to steal the money.

Even further, you have left many ratings (the majority of your ratings) of which the person/entity who is purported to have lost money has not opened a scam accusation, nor otherwise complained. As such, I would refer you to these ratings to determine the legitimacy of this thread.

You should not assume guilt based on the lack of a response, however you should also not assume innocence based on the lack of a response -- you should weigh the available evidence and consider if there is sufficient evidence of guilt. Please note that in court, witnesses are presumed to be telling the trust, provided that testimony is not contradicted, and when someone says they know something, they can explain how they know said fact to possibly strengthen their credibility. If a defendant does not testify, and someone testifies that the defendant "could" have done "xx" this testimony should be disregarded as speculation.

As it stands now, there is evidence Hhampuz moved money belonging to BestMixer to a competing mixer after they closed down and were very unlikely to ever contact Hhampuz again looking for the money. There is also evidence that Hhampuz had an outstanding loan at the time.

Hhampuz's silence is not evidence of innocence, nor is it reason to believe speculation proposed by third parties who have made no claim to know the underlying facts.

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After some consideration, I have decided that I am willing to lock this thread if Hhampuz is able to do the following:
*deny stealing money from BestMixer, or from any other client of his
*explain that he moved the bitcoin belonging to BestMixer for xx reason -- he does not need to stipulate the address the bitcoin was moved to via ChipMixer
*confirm if the bitcoin has been returned to BestMixer, and if not, confirm that he is able and willing to return their money upon their public request

If 2 or 3 contradict with publicly available information, this thread will remain unlocked, and if additional information or complaints become public (that contradict with his answers to 2 or 3), the thread will become unlocked.

The above offer will remain in effect until 23:59 UTC Sunday July 7.

You can note that the question (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5079097.msg51226546#msg51226546) as to what happened to BestMixer's money was poised to Hhampuz over 24 hours prior to this thread being opened.

It's a sad day on Bitcointalk when shitheads like Quicksy can keep posting lies and make demands, while upstanding members like Hhampuz end up stepping away.