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It all started with this: forum user Smart man  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1090672)(hero member) was caught on hiring posters for the bumping service.
The post with proofs was placed in Meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105985.) and then moved in Local board section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg49583617#msg49583617). It was February 4th. Everyone in the local ignored this information.

On June 8, another user found additional evidences against the Smart man (offering a bumping service) and published it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51398628#msg51398628).
Let's look at this evidences:
Text from screenshot:
Translation:

 For save space the remaining proofs, I will write immediately in the translation, links to the original sources here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51398628#msg51398628).

And some others, but that's enough.

Surprisingly, this did not lead to tagging Smart man. Many "honored" members began to aggressively defend him. For this reason there was a scandal. But the "honored" members did not change their opinion.
Now I will give these opinions immediately in translation. If you need a translation of the entire page, I will do it. A lot of text, but it is very important. I want you to understand the scale of the problem.

taikuri13 (Hero member, DT-1)

chimk (Hero member, DT-1, merit source)

Alex_Sr (Hero member, DT-1)

madnessteat (Hero member)

and similar responses from johhnyUA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51456448#msg51456448) (Hero member), smak9 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51447294#msg51447294) (Sr. member)

It was a big discussion, but the general pattern of the responses of the listed people is: There is no evidence to tag.

There were some other patterns, such as accusations of trolling, the threat to tag me (and fxpc, who found additional evidence against Smart man), but I threw them away as irrelevant.

This model of behavior did not change even when two DT kzv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51427980#msg51427980) (Hero member, DT-1), MaoChao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51450960#msg51450960) (Legendary, DT-1) members expressed the opinion that the available evidence directly speaks about hiring in a bumping service and offering a bumping service.
The only change that happened - Chimik excluded kzv from his trusted list and added him to the list of users whom he does not trust!

I was very surprised by all this and tried to understand what was going on.
I began by studying the bpip profile of Smart Man (https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=tema&to=Smart%20man).
Immediately I saw a very interesting thing:
Merit Fans of Smart man
Profile                       
chimk (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chimk) top 1 merit Fan of Smart man and top 1 favorite profile to send sMerit to from Smart man
yo-blin (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yo-blin) favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
k0er (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=k0er) red trust user, favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
nik009 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=nik009) favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
tema (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tema) favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
kirreev070 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=kirreev070)   banned user, favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
markiz73 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=markiz73) banned user, favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
Criptomen (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Criptomen) banned user, favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
t39 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=t39) banned user, favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.
BlackWidow (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=BlackWidow) banned user, favorite profiles to send sMerit to - Smart man, top 1.

Such a unanimous love for Smart Man seemed to me suspicious and I decided to study the profile of these fans.

tema (Hero member) (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tema)

Send merit to
User         amount        status

Dasha88fed (https://bpip.org/search.aspx?q=Dasha88fed)      2    banned
gtx1060aa (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=gtx1060aa)      2    banned
Tryto (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Tryto)          2    banned
mafitjulit (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mafitjulit)     5    banned
lopatitapipa (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lopatitapipa)   5    banned
astrixligtman (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=astrixligtman)  5    banned
lesnik_utsa (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lesnik_utsa)    2    banned
Jana Wood (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jana%20Wood)    2    banned
LikaForw (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=LikaForw)       3    banned
Mery Gason (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Mery%20Gason)   3    banned
ethalliance (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ethalliance)    6    banned

Hans Groober (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Hans%20Groober)  1
merit from
t39      3 banned
Criptomen   2 banned
yo-blin      2 - multiple connections with banned users
pavan@hosur   2 - multiple connections with banned users
send merit to
golemo      2 - multiple connections with banned users
Vs225655   2 - multiple connections with banned users
Smart man   1 - multiple connections with banned users

LaitHonor (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=LaitHonor)       5
merit from
niteroy      3 banned
Dasha88fed   2 banned
send merit to
MZMARY      4 banned
ulia93      1 banned

BitcoinBoster (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=BitcoinBoster)   5
merit from
astrixligtman   3 banned
RuSS512      2 banned
send merit to
lopatitapipa   3 banned
PhuketSunset   2 - multiple connections with banned users

bountymagnatos77 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bountymagnatos77) 2
merit from
Fanat1kbounty   3 - multiple connections with banned users
trader_999   3 banned
BravO_o      2 banned
send merit to
Rahees      2 - multiple connections with banned users
MasterObsheniya02 2 banned
lolobit      1 - multiple connections with banned users

Fanat1kbounty (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fanat1kbounty)    2
merit from
trader_999   3 banned
Nataliagur   2 - multiple connections with banned users
lolobit      1 - multiple connections with banned users
TheL1ke77   1 banned
Apex06      1 - multiple connections with banned users
send merit to
bountymagnatos77 3 - multiple connections with banned users
Ny_nado_dymatb   1 - seems legit
warning_btc   1 - multiple connections with banned users

Apex06 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Apex06)           2
merit from
warning_btc   1 - multiple connections with banned users
H00LiGaN   1 - multiple connections with banned users
send merit to
BravO_o      1 banned
Fanat1kbounty   1 - multiple connections with banned users

H00LiGaN (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=H00LiGaN)         4
merit from
BravO_o      2 banned
Mauzzer      2 - merited by RuSS512 banned and eye4bd red trust
Ranyar      1 red trust
Romzes      1 - merited by BravO_o and TheL1ke77 both banned
send merit to
givemegoldcoin  2 merited by Ranyar red trust
Apex06      1 send merit to BravO_o banned
BravO_o      1 banned
tringt      1 - multiple connections with banned users

Of course, the abuse did not end on banned or "legit"users, for example:
ethalliance (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ethalliance) got merit from tema, Fragan (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fragan) and Tia0315 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Tia0315) (both got 10 merit from red trusted toptek (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=toptek)), send merit to banned Milla Kross (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Milla%20Kross) who sent merit to banned Masha Me1 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Masha%20Me1) and so on.

So tema  (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tema) is the champion in sending merit to abusers and he still did not tagged or banned.

What about yo-blin (Legendary) (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yo-blin)?
to save space and time, I took only the top 10
send merit to
Smart man   50 - good amount.
markiz73      9 banned
Polkeins       7 It is very important profile - remember him!
cherlov       7 banned
kirreev070      4 banned
elmwood       4 multiple connections with banned users
The world is mine 4 - sent merit to Smart man and other users who sent merit to Smart man.
StivenSor      3 multiple connections with banned users
bigcrocodile   3 multiple connections with banned users
JohnnyBG       3 multiple connections with banned users

Interesting behavior and yo-blin (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yo-blin) still not tagged and not banned.

What about nik009 (hero member) (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=nik009)?
send merit to
Smart man   23 good amount again
JuanPaulo       4 - sent merit to Smart man and multiple connections with banned users
brocardinf       3 banned
comforteagle23   3 banned
tursunalimenman 2 recieve merit from Smart man and multiple connections with banned users
RuslanSamui   2 banned
olgaso2018   2 recieve merit from Smart man and multiple connections with banned users and 4/8/2018 11:24:35 AM   password changed as tursunalimenman 4/9/2018 8:50:05 AM   password changed
daddybios       2 - seems legit
explorder       2 - seems legit
CryptoVictory   1 - seems legit
Tryto                1    banned sent merit to Smart man and multiple connections with banned users
bigcrocodile      1 multiple connections with banned users
JohnnyBG         1 multiple connections with banned users

Same behavior and nik009 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=nik009) still not tagged and not banned.

Studying this information, I saw another "favorite" account of abusers.
Polkeins (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Polkeins)
chimk                      91
t39                          10
yo-blin                     7
kirreev070                6
Smart man               6

If you study the history of his merit (http://smerit.aspx), then you can find a huge number of abusers as trader_999, Yury1, BlackWidow etc that sent merit to him... but the first 5 are enough. Why?
Polkeins (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Polkeins)                           4/6/2018 3:49:26 PM   password reset via email
                                         7/9/2018 6:24:31 AM   password changed
                                         8/9/2018 6:55:31 PM   password changed

chimk (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chimk)                                4/16/2018 8:44:51 PM   password reset via email
                                         8/9/2018 9:55:07 PM   password changed

Everything is already clear, but I went further. I checked the topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.) where Smart Man offers his services (writing WP and promotion of ICO) and allegedly communicates with customers. Within 10 minutes, I discovered that most of the discussion participants were alts of Smart Man. To save space and time I will show the most interesting ones:

Blanchrc40 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40)    3/25/2018 9:32:14 PM password changed    5/9/2019 8:34:21 AM   woke up
Hiring in bumping service (http://archive.md/DKImh)

MrBoston (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston)        3/25/2018 9:48:00 PM password changed     5/14/2019 9:52:40 PM   woke up

Fixxer767 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767)        3/25/2018 10:20:35 PM password changed   5/12/2019 1:30:10 AM   woke up

Jeronimo78 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jeronimo78)        3/18/2018 4:13:10 PM password changed  5/9/2019 8:29:33 AM   woke up

You will say that these are minor details to the facts that already exist? No, I'll explain later why. We continue:
There are banned user Afina_22 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Afina_22)
She sent merit to Smart man and was connected to him through other abusers. She is the topic starter (in russian local) of scam project Adab Solutions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4881407.msg43973952#msg43973952)
Who started the topic in the English section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4720775.)? - whitetoo (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=whitetoo) 3/25/2018 9:53:53 PM   password changed
3/25/2018 10:26:45 PM   password changed
Smart man himself confessed that he collaborated with Adab (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51411806#msg51411806) and received money from them, but everyone pretended that they did not notice this. Even after I pointed it out (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51511126#msg51511126)!

I thought that I was not Sherlock, but I easily find something that others do not see. Although if you are aggressively defending Smart Man, then you should at least superficially examine his profile. Although there is a possibility that the defenders know everything perfectly well, but they hope that other people will not pay attention to it. There are so many banned users and so many connections between them (through merit and not only through it) it's hard not to see all this.
And... Smart man is the topic starter of THIS (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142915.0) topic where he talks about reducing the punishment to banned users caught in plagiarism! And of course, the active participants in this topic are those users whom I mentioned at the beginning of this topic and who pretend to be professional blind when the talk goes about Smart Man. And check the topics in meta about markiz73 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142628.0), kirreev070 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143616.0) etc. If you want to lauth check signature of johhnyUA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=623643)

I continued and decided to study this topic: UP rank in Russian local (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4570436.0)
Information about some users is not updated (maybe because there is too much red color?), So I updated it, plus I quickly looked through the user profile.
Up rank from Newbie to Hero Member - 2 users
Alex_Sr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404;dt)  - professional blind
taikuri13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855828;dt) - professional blind

Up rank fromFull Member to Hero Member - 7 users
Smart man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1090672;dt) - scamer
Goran_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1039323;dt)
Veleor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1177936;dt)
Xal0lex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1068464;dt)
Coin-1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133335;dt)
chimk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1202061;dt) - abuser
xenon131 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1037701;dt)

Up rank from Sr. Member to Hero Member - 3 users (3 banned)
alex bond (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=909175)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
ATMcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=932514)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
RuSS512 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=979216)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - ban avoiding

Up rank from Newbie to Sr. Member - 7 users
esmanthra (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1764764) - 3/18/2018 3:43:13 AM password changed
lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - autoban
crypmike (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1837238)
igor72 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094195;dt)
madnessteat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1894120) - 3/18/2018 7:47:50 AM password changed
Juliya_D (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1368314)
witcher_sense (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1433865)

Up rank from Jr.Member to Sr. Member - 1 user
kirreev070 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1221497) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - autoban

Up rank fromMember to Sr. Member - 2 user
tvplus006 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - autoban
leonello (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1218011)

Up rank from Full Member to Sr. Member - 9 user
explorder (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1108331)
Yury1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1056566) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - autoban
Hakamura (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1160086) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
ui_zakharchenko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052653)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
First1by (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=988901) - obvious merit abuse check BPIP!
BOMG (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1033117) - obvious merit abuse check BPIP!
bolshojkush (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1004212) - obvious merit abuse check BPIP!
Smartprofit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1117066;dt)
amaclin1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1218011) - red trust

Up rank to Full Member - 31 user
Avatar2030 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1410806) - obvious merit abuse check BPIP!
inbizin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1416871)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
Ekaterinat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1428236)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1499733)
YulyNov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1617346) - plagiarism
The_ Flash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1828957)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
istklin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052765) - obvious merit abuse check BPIP!
Cryptoshka (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1951496)
Ksjywe4ka (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1334470) - obvious merit abuse check BPIP!
RomashkaSuH (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1275242)  - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
SeverusSnegg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1249287) - obvious merit abuse check BPIP!
Polytesse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1129571) - red trust for cheating bounty campaigns with alts
Afina_22 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1199798) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - plagiarism
temarazin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1646968)
PavelRostov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1616153) - merit abuse, so many connections with abusers!
MoxnatyShmel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1316749)
cryptolord2077 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1740809) - merit abuse, MaoChao caught him (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049413.msg49836117#msg49836117) but fo some reason did't tag
Nikisa (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2154195)
Polkeins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1511943) - abuser, alt of chimik
JagerBeen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1062899) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - banned
LV5ME (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1087035) - https://i.imgur.com/6X6QLXS.png - banned
wh1rlw1nd (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1711582)
StartupAnalyst (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2254935;dt)
Kriptopsina (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1787337;dt)
an@sha (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2285459;dt)
FapToBbly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1324228;dt) - plagiarism
DIKUL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2148411;dt)
MrFreeRoMan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2560321;dt) - plagiarism

Look at the facts and try to understand the extent of this cancer.
So much red. And this is without taking into account the many smaller users.

Illustrations for the information shown above.

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chimk is a merit source with a huge monthly allocation of sMerits. He's likely to be the biggest "fan" of any decent poster on the Russian boards. That doesn't mean there's "corruption".

Please read the thread completely before commenting.
And read how masterfully he defended the scammer - you know the Russian language.

I did and it was a waste of time. You haven't even red-trusted the alleged perp yourself and you built a massive conspiracy theory on a lot of assumptions.

I think you should re-go through the evidence posted in the OP. There are some solid evidence of Smart man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1090672) abusing merits and running some shaddy business overall.

It looks pretty clear to me ! ???

Please check facts, it is not a theory.

No-one is disputing the facts. The issue is with the assumptions. Issues with the Russian local boards is best dealt with by Russian DTs on that board. There are numerous Russian DTs that I trust that are in a much better position to judge it than non native speakers.

Individual assessments are made. Not every slight or breaking of the rules will be punished.

It is clear that Theymos wants to reserve flag judgement to only the most prolific scammers. How trust is allocated is up to individual DT members.

Like Suchmoon said - you have made all these accusations but you haven't placed any trust yourself.  Why are you expecting others to do something you won't even do yourself ?

https://i.imgur.com/Ns6iwpe.png


There is definitely an issue of many permabanned users getting merit.  I think the main issue is that plagiarism is hard to detect and often fools the reader into believing that it is a good quality post.

However there is no proof that it is part of a conspiracy or corruption. It could also mean that the moderators on the Russian board are doing a great job catching and banning plagiarists.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

https://i.imgur.com/YcBf2UQ.png

In this post I showed problems that are easy to understand without even knowing the Russian language.
I show the problem of corruption, and you assume that the corrupt DTs themselves are able to solve the problems (with themselves)? Seriously?

I showed serious violations of the rules (merit abuse, creation of spam services and etc.) and they are still not punished - this is what I call corruption and that is why I am here.

If you read my post completely then you must understand the scale of the problem.
I do not want to play with cancer in the game and I see no reason to put tags that no one will even see.

The problem with chimik is not in merit, but in the fact that he is protecting a proven scamer (Smart man).
And chimik has an alt which is connected with a set of merit abusers.

Trust is now much more decentralized. People will never see tags if they are not placed. You will never be in a position where your tags will be seen if you do not place them.

In your "analysis" you try to sully the names of those in a position to provide some assistance. It appears that when someone disagrees with your opinion you consider them "corrupt" or "blind".

My opinion is based on facts. Do you want to challenge them?
Or do you think that when a user sends merit only to scammers (as a tema, hero member) does he act honestly?

If a person does not see the obvious facts and protects the scamers, then I called him blind or corrupt, it is so.

I find it quite amusing seeing accounts that later get perma-banned getting merit.  All that effort to entice merits by those merit farmers foiled by the system that catches them and locks the account permanently. It shows that some systems are working well.

I also commend merit sources that give merit to new accounts (which are more likely to be farmed accounts) because it can be very hard for genuine newbies to get their first merit and get posting privileges.

The job of a merit source is to give merit to good quality posts. Not to detect them for plagiarism or make political judgments.

The job of the moderators and those reporting posts is to detect plagiarism and detect account farmers.

The job of DTs is to make judgements on the trustworthiness of users. This is subjective and different DTs have different criteria. People don't choose to be a DT. It is other users that select them. It is more of a curse with responsibility.

I think this is atmost whats wrong here, protecting a merit abuser and account farmer is not what looks trustworthy IMO.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51273724#msg51273724
archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20190621074325/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51273724)

Looks like you have a bit of a dislike for chimk for calling you out for your Craig Wright support.

I call Craig a scamer   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51280182#msg51280182

And i see you want to talk about me but not about scamers that i showed? Nice  :D

When someone posts serious allegations in Meta against people who have proven their trust in the past then their character and history becomes relevant when viewing the allegations.

In your accusation you claim that the DTs and merit source are corrupt. So your historical interaction with those people is of interest.

Archived (https://web.archive.org/web/20190621080208/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51545277%23msg51545277)

xtraelv
I like your approach - if you also carefully examine the first post, then you just will not have any questions.
And you will help the forum to get rid of fraudsters  :)

I have read your first post and even struggled through some of the Russian posts with my very poor Russian reading skills.

I see a lot of pointless data and other than having some questions about Smart man (not enough to make a judgement) I disagree with most of the inferences that you are making.

There are a number of people that often have good intentions that draw all sorts of ominous conclusions from assortments of data that do not prove anything.

Sometimes even the village idiot knows how to use Bing or google.

I have no doubt that you have poured over lots of information looking for evidence of systematic corruption. But giving merit for posts, receiving merit for posts, ranking up,  refusing to give a trust rating, having a different opinion, having an alt account or changing your password are all normal actions that are permitted under the current rules.

Instead I see lots of pointless data that does not prove any systematic corruption involving the Russian community or DTs.

The way that I view this is that the DTs feel there is not enough troubling information about Smart man to permanently ruin his trading reputation on bitcointalk. This may change if more information becomes available.

If it is not a systematic problem but just about user Smart man then it should simply be dealt with on the scam accusations board or reputation board rather than meta.

xtraelv

Let's look at the question by points:

1.) Smart man is involved in a huge circuit of merit abuse. Yes/No?
2.) Smart man has a lot of alts and with the help of them he deceives customers by making false reviews in his thread. Yes/No?
3.) Smart man is involved in the scam project Adab Solutions. Yes/No?
4.) Smart man was hiring in and offering Spam-service. Yes/No?

If you really carefully read the first post, then you should have noticed that I found a lot of abusers. Smart man was only the beginning of my research.
I came here because I found huge problems in Ru local that no one sees or tries to solve.

Smart man does not equal total corruption in Russian local [DT involved!]


If I write "Government conspiracy involving police and ministers" and then offer an alleged shoplifter as proof would you conclude there is a government conspiracy ?

Historically - most of the users that post about large scale conspiracies often turn out to be dubious themselves. So "evidence" is not just accepted as "trust me it is true".




Not proven.


No proof provided that false reviews were made.


I have not looked at this yet.


Probably. Not proven it is a spam service.

Why didn't you answer simple questions? I have evidence on all counts.

If you prove a lot of thefts and show how the police protect the thieves, then obviously this will be proof of corruption.

I do not propose to "believe" my words - I show the facts. If you have doubts about these facts, I am ready to discuss them.

????

I answered each question.

xtraelv

You have edited your post. I continue:
1.) In the first post, I showed “big” donors of merit for Smart man. Why are they all banned for plagiarism/another abuse and sent merits to users banned for plagiarism/another abuse? Can there be so many coincidences?
Here is another scheme of merit flow. Please note that most users are also banned for plagiarism. You can check it through BPIP.
Most of the users who wrote in the Smart man topic either is on this scheme or are directly connected with it. Again coincidences?
https://i.imgur.com/HGZyaXz.png


2.) Just check his topic.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.0 Many examples 1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg25297457#msg25297457) 2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg25480027#msg25480027) 3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg34053086#msg34053086) etc.
Note in the thread a lot of dialogs like:
- Wrote to you in PM.
-Thank you, answered, we will work.
-Good! I agree it.
- Fine, I'm waiting.
-I sent you new documentation.
-Got it, work.
Very funny, do real customers behave like this?  ;)

3.) Please do it. It is very important.

4.) Ha ha. There is no evidence that the spam service produces spam? OK.

My post was edited well before you made your post.


In the absence of concrete proof it is a co-incidence. It doesn't make it untrue. It makes it unproven.

There are serious issues with jumping to conclusions based on merit data. See for yourself:

https://i.imgur.com/DoX1Y7w.png

In the absence of other proof it can lead to all sorts of false allegations.



This is common shitposter behavior. It is dealt with by reporting the post to the moderator and getting it deleted and if the user does it enough times they get banned.

Where is the proven link to Smart man ?
Without concrete proof it is a mere allegation. While some people may place feedback based on allegations. Most won't.



Unfortunately I have decided not to look into that actual allegation of whether that project is a scam because the thread is largely run by circle jerkers that have hijacked a number of threads and made a number of unsupported scam accusations against various projects. Any rational discussion in the thread automatically assumes that you promote what is probably a scam. So rational discussion of fact is near impossible. I am neither interested in being seen as a "promoter" of what is probably a scam nor getting brain cancer from arguing with idiots..

I have seen no proof that Smart man is the instigator of the scam rather than a misguided investor or  bounty manager.


Calling something a spam service is not evidence of spam. It is circular logic.

When hero member tema (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tema) send merits only to abusers and Smart man its ok?
When I described in detail who sent merit, where, it is not specific data that are proof? I showed a lot of abusers who act on one pattern. This is specific data that is evidence of abuse.

Blanchrc40 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40)    3/25/2018 9:32:14 PM password changed    5/9/2019 8:34:21 AM   woke up
Hiring in bumping service (http://archive.md/DKImh) he is listed on the Merit flow diagram above.

MrBoston (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston)        3/25/2018 9:48:00 PM password changed     5/14/2019 9:52:40 PM   woke up connected to the Merit flow diagram above

Fixxer767 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767)        3/25/2018 10:20:35 PM password changed   5/12/2019 1:30:10 AM   woke up

Jeronimo78 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jeronimo78)        3/18/2018 4:13:10 PM password changed  5/9/2019 8:29:33 AM   woke up banned, connected to the Merit flow diagram above

pradobo (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=pradobo)  banned, he is listed on the Merit flow diagram above.

BlackAndBlack (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=BlackAndBlack) connected to the Merit flow diagram above

Alex6562 (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Alex6562) banned, connected to the Merit flow diagram above

etc.

This is not the standard behavior of shitposters to up someone else's thread with positive comments and impersonate customers.

3.) You do not need to do any research. Smart man himself writes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51411806#msg51411806) that he worked with this project and that he learned that this project was scam. But he did not warn anyone about this.
Is this not complicity in crime?

4.) What is the name of hiring workers with multiple accounts for bumping a thread and providing this kind of service?
Evidence of these actions is in the first message.

Permabanned user getting merit doesn't mean that merit was sent for e.g. plagiarised posts. tvplus006 and lovesmayfamilis are notable scam researchers and got a lot of merits for that work. Later turned out to have plagiarised in the past.

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lovesmayfamilis
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tvplus006

I believe chimk ended up at the top of the list mainly because of users like that, and not because of lack of due diligence in sending merits, let alone corruption.

This question requires a separate discussion.
At the moment, chimik is accused of corruption because of the protection of the scamer - Smart man.

Disagreeing with your opinion is not "protection".

As xtraelv mentioned, this is best resolved on the Russian board where users have a better understanding and better sense of context for the allegations. But you didn't get the support you wanted there so now you're fishing on the English boards hoping that someone among the non-Russian-speaking DT members will take your word for it. Combined with your tendency to jump to conclusions without evidence, I find that quite dishonest.

I showed evidence on all counts.
Do you propose to ask corrupt users to fight with themselves? Good point  :)

Thank you for translating my quote. As I already wrote previously - your weakness lies in absence of 100% proof. It's a digital forum. Users forum much more believe facts and figure, than idle speculation.

You have created a world of your own, and you consider as proof those things that are not really proof.

Give answer please.

1. Maybe yes, maybe no. I don't see 100% proof.
2. From what such conclusions are drawn?
3. I'm not aware of this project.
4. Proposed service - Yes, the spam service - where is the evidence? Back to my 4 questions:


As I said - there are no answers to these questions - there is no evidence that the service was engaged in spam.

1.) What proof is required? Notarized receipt? I showed the facts.
2.) Did you read this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51540175#msg51540175)?
           

3.) Find out. It is easy.

4.) Do you also need proof that spam service exists to produce spam?

Someone is blind. Isn't that great? 8)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2891755.0
http://archive.fo/SmmLM

Translation:

Original:

Ninety-eighth most merited:
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Smart%20man

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-17-2015/pUQitR.gif

Many people really look blind here, he is littlerly comparing mining with account farming and think's it is more profitable also advicing the same to the newbies in the local section. He has already earned much of an merits from this cycle documented in the OP. Looks really untrustworthy LOL!

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2891755.0

Hello!
 1. I knew that such a day would come, morally I am ready for any checks. I declare: - there are no abuses in my actions.

I have never sold merit.
I have never engaged in the exchange of merit by agreement.
I did not provide benefits in the activities of DT and did not pursue anyone, without good reason.
I did not buy, did not sell, and did not accept as a gift forum accounts.

Accounts created by me, I have no other accounts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1202061
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2252498
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2259013

I can prove that I created the chimk account, for this I need to open some personal data. I am ready to do this in personal correspondence with administrators.
I do not use other accounts.

2. This accusation of Smart man was published 3 times.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105985.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg49583617#msg49583617
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51398628#msg51398628

Smart man gave explanations
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51411806#msg51411806
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51412195#msg51412195
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51412275#msg51412275

 I read a lot of forum, sometimes it leads to a comparison of suspicious facts, it takes a lot of time. I first responded on June 10, 2019. I studied this case, read the Smart man's answer, read the opinions of other participants in the discussion, and did not see evidence that the Smart man is detrimental to users or the forum. I have stated my position several times. There is not enough evidence of fraud to negatively assess the trust of this user.

I was charged with protecting the service and in the conflict of interest. In this post, KTChampions lied twice. I do not advertise or defend the service. Smart man is not my friend, I am not familiar with it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51419663#msg51419663
http://archive.md/VQtc1

User Smart man does not have marks for this episode, from other users. I think everyone understands that my opinion cannot have such an effect. Moreover, I started to participate in the discussion only on June 10, 2019.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1090672
Other cases involving Smart man, I have not studied.

3 Another slander about me.

This is slander. Please verify this charge, if possible. password reset in April on different dates? More stupid accusations I have not met. Changing the password matched in numbers, but did not coincide in time. Maybe there is someone else who changed the password 8/9/2018? This method of accusations can be a scenario for future attacks, now I will take countermeasures.

4. Merit Smart man.
For the first time I awarded him the merits of 2/25/2019 and 3/29/2019
for a little investigation into the bounty. Before that, he received a lot of merit without my participation. Examples:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3051995.msg31419121#msg31419121
48 merit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3066618.msg31593227#msg31593227
45 merit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3190976.msg33070682#msg33070682
28 merit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3369080.msg35298458#msg35298458
17 merit.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2891755.msg29729057#msg29729057
12 merit

 After this, Smart man began to write more about bitcoin and I liked that the number of content posts on btc increased. I began to award him more merit. The increase in outgoing merits from the Smart man also contributed to this, earlier he was less willing to distribute outgoing merits.

5.  Surprisingly, these two members of DT, did not leave a mark in the Smart man’s trust. I hope they understand that nobody restricts them in this right.

I removed kzv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662400) from the list of trust much earlier, I did not like its list of trust, in particular, there was amaclin1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1072601). We discussed this with him in personal correspondence. ~ kzv I put, after kzv wanted to include fxpc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662293) in my list, which I consider to be a bitcoin hater, a troll, I consider him a dangerous person, I got the impression that this is an unbalanced person with problems in the psyche, he often offends users and I I do not trust him. I also do not understand the kzv logic on some issues related to DT. I gradually formed the opinion that at the moment he is not ready for this work and to trust him DT, this is a bad service to him and the forum. I have no other complaints about kzv, I consider it a useful user. I often gave him merit for his contribution to the development of the forum and to maintain the section of CODERS, this is an act of trust.

This is another little detail of distorting the facts.

6. I give some examples to understand the prehistory. There are many examples, this is a large amount. In the Russian section, this situation is known.

In the Russian section, I wrote that I consider the activities of fxpc and KTChampions harmful for the forum. I did not make direct threats in changing the trust. But I made a lot of complaints about them to moderators, this can be seen in the statistics of the reports. For example, I made a lot of reports in the topic Analytics, analysis, forecasts. I made a lot of reports on the Lightning Network. Moderators have attached this topic in the section, at my request https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1152660.msg30028849#msg30028849
and I promised that we will maintain cleanliness in this topic.
In the topic of high activity KTChampions, fxpc, apxu (amaclin1).
Off top rudely took on such a scale that one of the most active and experienced users wanted to stop supporting the Lightning Network theme.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2897133.msg50233157#msg50233157
And I wrote to him publicly that these people are trying to achieve just that, the cessation of any activity in the development of BTC.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2897133.msg50236602#msg50236602

Another example of a smart man creates a bitcoin theme.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150471.0
In the topic of high activity KTChampions, fxpc, apxu (amaclin1)
KTChampions is trying to prove that the BTC is a pyramid, calls BTC enthusiasts sectarians. fxpc rude to users, apxu (amaclin1) criticizes the technical side of the BTC.
http://archive.md/zVyA8

Example number 3 in the topic Bitcoin vs Gold vs Fiat I posted a link to the video that Bitcoin is more convenient than gold, I wrote that this video is gaining popularity. KTChampions wrote that this did not correspond to reality and accused me of distorting facts, fxpc supported him in an insulting form, after which I gave evidence of the popularity of this video.
http://archive.md/YRXEE#selection-465.4-465.29

7. You are absolutely right. I spend a lot of time checking texts and user profiles. I have folders in which already verified information is contained and there are many open cases. It is easy to check the text for plagiarism; it is difficult to check the entire profile for plagiarism. Every day, you need to consider dozens of applicants. In addition, I wrote several times in the Russian section about the need for everyone to be attentive to the observance of rule No. 33. I was sure that applicants for the DT1 list would not have plagiarism in their profile. I was sure that they were ready for the checks, and was very surprised when I learned that they have plagiarism, so I took it as a betrayal.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141782.msg50995549#msg50995549

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lovesmayfamilis
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tvplus006

you can add to them
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WhiteManWhite member DT1 received merit
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=FapToBbly active participant and BTC supporter
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=markiz73 active member supporting the section MINERS.
They all deserved merit and looked reliable, I often check profiles, but there is not enough time for everyone. It is especially difficult to find plagiarism in another language. And I did not support anyone in appeals, because everyone knew about the responsibility for plagiarism. And everyone saw this list in which the number of blocked for plagiarism is greater.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4588431.0

But this does not mean that I disclaim responsibility for my mistakes.

I apologize to the administrator for the poor statistics in this period, who entrusted me with helping the forum, as well as the entire community.

The other day I will write about it separately, I will indicate how I am guided in the distribution of merit and with what difficulties I encounter.

8. Is there corruption in the Russian section? I think that there is. I have some suspicions, I conducted several investigations. But I do not have enough evidence to state this publicly. Are there any improvements in the Russian section? Of course, there are major improvements. Thanks to those who found the opportunity to participate in the consideration of the charges.

I did a lot of work a few days, came home yesterday, today wrote this message, which allowed me to understand the importance of what I was doing. The growth of bitcoin brings pain to some people))) they need to buy some soothing medicines. Now I have to go to bed, it’s already morning.

P.S. Sorry for the mistakes, I wrote and translated all night.

Edit:changed the design item number 3

Ha ha. I'm lying, and you are telling the truth?

Check the facts. Smart man hiring in and offering bump service:



These are facts. And how does Chimik rate them?

chimk (Hero member, DT-1, merit source)

This is an obvious defense of the scam that harms the forum with spam and meaningless messages written for one purpose - to bump the project thread.
Chimik defend Smart man and his spam on forum. It is facts.

Chimik, your behavior is not trustworthy obvious, but additionally answer these questions:


Question number 4 is missing as above, I have already shown a chimiks lie on this issue.

It's funny that chimik believes the words of a scamer, not facts.
And it is very interesting that in the first report, Smart man tells how he collaborated with the scammers Adab, but chimik does not see any problems! Although Smart man writes that they are scamers, he did not warn anyone about this.

Are you stupid or blind? I showed in the first post how easily and quickly find  facts that shows that Smart man is a scamer.
You are protecting a fraudster but are not able to verify his profile by yourself? I doubt, most likely you know all but continue to protect him.

I can show another lie that the chimik wrote, but I don’t want to give him a chance to go to offtopic.
Therefore, I will wait for an answer to the questions posed.

Your explaination about your personal bheviours looks decent to me, I don't think you did something wrong in giving merits to the banned users as it is not displayed clearly on the forum. But there is no explanation about smartman being trustworthy in any sense, if you see he has clearly tried to spam the forum by offering this services.


Is this something thats allowed here ?

If this is true then why DTs from Russian section didn't neg him?

We had seen lot of negs in the previous days even for the suspicion but offering such kind of services are completely untrustworthy behaviour.

Check the first post of this thread and opinions of some DT members - chimik, taikuri13, Alex_Sr.
Corruption.

We have 100s of other DT members so bring this into their attention by creating a thread in Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0) which might get more healthy discussion.

Perhaps the guidance from Theymos (The forum administrator)  answers your question.

I don't like point number 5. But I need proof that it was used and how it was used. Without this data, I can not draw conclusions in this case. I wrote about this in detail for one DT1 member.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51458554#msg51458554

Item number 3. It depends on the nature of the content. If there is no spam, plagiarism, deception, this is not a violation. They can be project participants, testing it and asking questions. I can not be sure of this and can not prove otherwise.

The issue of having multiple accounts has been discussed in the Russian section many times. You need to know how these accounts are obtained and how they are used. I was surprised to learn that the user does not receive a negative trust due to the participation of several accounts in different bounty. I asked DT members if it’s enough for a negative trust, user interest in buying or selling an account, or for his loyalty to it? We discussed for a long time, I heard a lot of opinions that to destroy trust based only on this is not correct. Therefore, in this case, if the user claims that his service was used constructively, I will not be able to refute.

If I interrupt my interaction with users on the basis of suspicion or demand crystal clear purity, I can lose most of the useful content. In life it happens, it seems that I am 100% sure, and then it turns out that I was mistaken. Need proof. How many spam reports did this service receive? No answer. Deadlock ...

Theymos specifically stated that is is not appropriate to neg-trust spammers:


As much as I hate spam and disapprove of account farmers there have been massive changes made to the DT system, trust system and how scammers are flagged.

Theymos made it very clear that he was unhappy about the way the trust system was being used.

I am stating a fact: xtraelv was unable to continue the conversation about specific facts and just ignores my last message in our discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51547709#msg51547709). 
He is also trying to divert the conversation towards discussing the case with Yobit (and members of its signature campaign accused of spam) - which is irrelevant to our topic.

Another fact: chimik can not answer simple questions posed to him in this message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51556465#msg51556465).
But he continues to defend the scamer and refusing to acknowledge the fact: Offering "ICO bumping" services, also known as paid shill bumping. This is a highly shady offer which helps generate fake buzz for various projects.

Users have no control over where they  RECEIVE merit from. The biggest scammer can send you a ton of merit and there is nothing that YOU can do to stop it. Unless there is proof that it was elicited you cannot use it as evidence against someone. There has been massive discussions about this when merit was introduced. EDUCATE YOURSELF



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51411806#msg51411806

In the link you posted he explained himself. He withdrew from the project and even publicly stated that he thought it was a scam.

To me it indicates that he got involved with something he disagreed with, left and was transparent about it. It does not make me think that he is an intentional scammer.


Theymos said:
What part of that is unclear to you ?



When you post a reply I do not have an obligation to immediately reply.

Your responses are weak, petty, obtuse, self-entitled and personal. You fail to provide sufficient proof of even some of your most basic accusations - I see absolutely no pattern of large scale corruption.  I believe you are a victim of the Dunning–Kruger effect. The fact that you have provided very weak evidence and now are resorting to personal attacks makes me view you as untrustworthy. Sorry that you didn't find the echo chamber that you were looking for.


Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391.msg49306848#msg49306848)

This looks like a clear cut paid shill pumping services from random accounts for random ICOs. It is also shown clearly from the quoted messages above, presenting it as an testing system or something like asking questions does not look acceptable IMO.

Still its your own choice of giving neg trust for it, but atleast you should have not protected a clear cut spam promoter smartman.


After reading some comments from Theymos, I think his views are good guidelines in using the trust system and I can see he is on an total opposition of giving neg feedbacks for spamming. And your arguments too look correct after looking at the moto of the new trust system explained by him.

I too think much clerification is needed for leavings trust ratings on such stuff.


This looks like a great advice for you @KTChampions or just move this topic there if possible.

I'm guessing this is a bit of a translation issue - you and KTChampion keep repeating "protection" when you're talking about someone disagreeing with you.

In Russian it is called "Boring fairy tale" - a fairy tale with recursion effect. (Дoкyчнaя cкaзкa (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0)). They think that if you repeat the same argument dozens of times, it will become more powerful.

"Tell a story about a white bull?" ("Paccкaзaть cкaзкy пpo бeлoгo бычкa?") - All dialogues with them are reduced to it!

KTChampions I have nothing personal against you and I treat you in a neutral manner, just like other users of this forum. I don't want to offend you, but your investigation without the necessary evidence looks ridiculous.

You try to accuse many worthy users of the Russian locale of corruption. See if you think these users are worthy because they do useful things for the forum, not just trolling or writing meaningless messages.

Doesn't it seem to you that trying to connect me with esmanthra is ridiculous? You, as a native speaker of the language, should easily distinguish my manner of communication from that of esmanthra. Changing your password in one day is just a coincidence.


I have had this account from the very beginning. When I created my account, I didn't even think I would stay in the forum for long. So later I changed my password to a more complex one.

 

It's just our well known local board troll.
For example: He has created topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51273720#msg51273720) and called  it "BTC founder (Satoshi means) about Btc..." (russian version - "Coздaтeль биткoинa o BTC"). Of course, topic was about Craig's Wright declaration. He has ignored my post with clarification (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51337264#msg51337264) about this issue (with official announcement from USA Copyright Office) and keep trolling that Craig Wright == Satoshi.

xtraelv

1.) Yes. But when a huge number of abusers send merit to one user it is obvious merit abuse.
And what can you say about tema (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tema)? He sent merit only to abusers (as I showed in detail). Is this behavior trustworthy?

2.)
Why you want to believe in words but not in facts?
He collaborated with the project and received money from it. He knew that this project was scam. He was silent about it.
He confessed that he had collaborated with the project and knew that it was a scam only after he received accusations of fraud - only 1 year later from the project started. Fraudsters had a lot of time to deceive people.
Smart man is a scamer. It is facts not just words.

3.) Why did you miss this item? I showed many alt accounts of Smart man and gave you examples of their fraudulent behavior.
Do you want to continue the dispute on this point or agree that here he is a scamer?

4.)
When I talk about spam you say there is no evidence. When I talk about bumping, you say that spam is not prohibited (according to Teymos).
Do you seriously think that I will not see this juggling?  ;D

Alex_Sr
Why do you run away from discussing the facts? We started the discussion point by point, but you are trying to escape. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51548341#msg51548341l)
Since you are defending a scamer, then continue doing so, or acknowledge the fallacy of your behavior.

Have you read the thread?
So 4 questions for you:

When I see a person calling black white, I (naturally) become suspicious of him.

What an interesting story! I will not even discuss this lie.
I prefer to talk about the facts that are discussed in the subject, so 4 questions for you:

4 all
Another remarkable evidence of Smart man's fraudulent behavior (thanks to attentive users!):
He discusses the price of accounts with the famous ru account seller.

I did not miss 3

You are confused by your own numbering system.

Number 2 was discussing alts. It was such a mess that it was unclear what you wanted. (http://archive.fo/lOcgn)



While I seriously dislike the sale of accounts Theymos has been quite clear about using trust to censor discussions.

If he had actually offered to sell someone an account it would be different.


Generally I only tag seller or buyer accounts if they have been stolen, hacked or used for deliberate proven scamming with concrete evidence. Discussing something that I disapprove of is not generally something that I will tag someone for. It is effectively censoring speech. This forum is build very much on libertarian ideals which values freedom of speech.

Disagreeing with the content of the speech but protecting the right to say it.

I can't answer any of these questions "yes" as I only make decisions about any user if I'm 100% sure I'm right. There is simply no hard evidence and if there isn't, you can easily make a mistake.


A few years ago I had to communicate with people who had mental disorders (Schizophrenia). One of them was always walking with the Bible and waving a cross in front of everybody, he once told me he was in constant contact with God and the devil. But as long as there is no proof of that, it can't be true. I don't compare you to one of these people, you're smart enough, but you just don't have enough evidence. I have another account, but it has one message and no merit. And I am 100% sure of that. So linking me to esmanthra is not a good idea. Read my early translations, esmanthra there constantly scolded me for the quality of translations for which I am still ashamed.

xtraelv

If you answered point by point, as I do, there would be no confusion.
Let's continue.

1.) I do not see your answer to this point, so I repeat my question:

2.)I showed his alts and their behavior here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51547709#msg51547709) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51546514#msg51546514)
Any objections or do you agree?

3.) I do not see your answer to this point, so I repeat my question:
Any objections or do you agree?

4.) Same:
Can you answer without juggling? Did Smart man hire people in the bumping service and did he offer such services?
The value of posts that are written for one purpose - the thread bump will be discussed later.

Wow!  :o
What a great post! How many arguments!
So... After you defended the scamer, you can’t say anything smarter than “I don't know”? Even after I showed specific facts and you just have to think about them?  ;D

1) I fail to see the direct correlation between tema and Total corruption in Russian local  involving DTs.

If you have a problem with Tema then open a thread in reputation about it.

2) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.

3) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.

4) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.

Nobody is defending a scammer.

Considering the guidance from Theymos (forum admin) and Mprep (Global moderator) I have pointed out the rules and guidance regarding trust and the rules.

Nothing that you have said has convinced me that there is Total corruption in Russian local  involving DTs. Based on the lack of evidence that you have provided makes me conclude that you do not have such evidence.

If you want to discuss individual transgressions then there is the reputation board for that.

What I have found over time is that there are a number of relatively new users that come to the forum and decide that they are self appointed judge, jury and executioner and like a zealot have a strict and uncompromising view of the world. Everyone else is wrong and they are right.

People come to this forum to talk about bitcoin, blockchain, altcoins and shitcoins. People have different opinions and some of them conflict with my ethical views. People don't come to the bitcointalk forum to be harassed or punished for every potential transgression or perceived slight. There is an unfortunate culture of toxicity that puts off people from visiting this forum.

Nobody is saying Smart man is faultless. It is just that they are not comfortable that the threshold is met where they feel comfortable placing negative trust. Something that you have not done yourself.

There are a number of DTs that in the past have taken uncompromising views on some of these issues. Several of them have been removed or publicly reprimanded for taking such uncompromising views.

Theymos has made it quite clear that he is unhappy about how DT was run in the past and wants more moderate actions.







Many, many years ago a colleague sent me to a call where the person complained that his neighbors were putting stink bombs down his walls at night. They would scurry up the downpipe and make a hell of a noise on the roof. When I suggested that it could be rats making the noise and the smell. He looked very angry and yelled "look ! I went to the pub and told my friends. They said "your neighbors really must have it in for you !" "They clearly believe me !" "Do your fucking job and catch them". He explained that he had confronted his neighbors about it but they had been "evasive".  At that stage he also became convinced I was part of the conspiracy. A report with concern for the welfare of the neighbors was filed.

I didn't say, "I don't know." I said I couldn't say "yes" for sure because of the lack of evidence. Without hard evidence this is just your guess. Such assumptions can be made as much as you like with respect to any forum user. Please also note that I am not defending Smart man. If you had incontrovertible evidence that Smart man is abusing something, I would support you.

1.) Perhaps you will see a correlation when you analyze a lot of individual cases (as i do). But you refuse to give a specific answer, even about one user tema (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tema).

2.) Please, give me a direct link to this answer.

3.) Please, give me a direct link to this answer.

4.) Please, give me a direct link to this answer.

Of course, I will do it, but here I want to show the general situation that is shaping up due to a combination of individual violations of many users.

Oh  :)
MaoChao is not new user, zealot etc.

https://i.imgur.com/vb1ZNdw.png
This is your feedback.
I showed that Smart man is a account farmer and showed some of his alts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51547709#msg51547709).
It is ok?

I see it is very difficult for you to discuss a large amount of information. Especially for you I will lower the level of discussion.
1.) What can you say about bumping (taking into account proofs and  the opinion of Mao Chao)?
2.) What about alts of Smart man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51547709#msg51547709)?

If you look at the alts listed that user impersonated another well known user on bitcointalk.
The comments on one of the alts listed there states:
"Account farmer using name similar to theyoungmillionaire in a probable attempt to try and extract merit. "


If you re-read my previous comments you will see my justification. All the extensive answers to your questions have been provided in this thread.

To borrow a famous quote from Satoshi:

 If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306)

I have provided the information. I cannot help you understand it.

I respect MaoChao's opinion, but if he is satisfied with these facts, they are not enough for me. Everyone has their own point of view on the amount of information to complete the evidence base.

The fact that you will try to tie the respected users of the Russian locale into a corruption scheme is a complete nonsense! In fact, there are a lot of DT users and maybe some of them will have enough of your evidence but not me.

I started to notice trolling about me, and I don't talk to trolls.

xtraelv

No answer.

No answer.

No answer.

No answer.

Do you know MaoChao? What do you say about his opinion?

If suddenly you find time and desire to continue the discussion, please come back.


So, your first attempt to avoid discussing about specific facts was the answer "I do not know."
Now a new attempt in the form of an answer: "You are a troll."
And why did you completely miss the second point?

Hmmm...
Evidence is not enough! (C) madnessteat.
https://i.imgur.com/2tDCPAI.jpg

Archived for future reference:

(Proof of untruths about DT members by KTChampions)

https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220715/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.20
https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.40
https://web.archive.org/web/20190623220845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.60

Why are you so slow?
I started this story and I knew how it would end:


And yes, I claim that Ru local is mired in corruption and I do not trust a large number of DT members.

But back to the facts. Another illustration from my start post:
https://i.imgur.com/7EnV5wj.png

Two users synchronously became Senior members in just 6 days (1/25/2018 - 1/31/2018) with nice scheme of merit abuse.
And ... apparently there is no evidence.
https://i.imgur.com/2tDCPAI.jpg

It's a troll. There too much such kind of people in russian local board.
As you can see suchmoon stopped to answer 2 or 3 pages before.

Why do you avoid discussing the facts?

What can be discussed with a liar who has gone down to slander? Feel free to rebuttal.

chimk

If you think that calling your opponent a liar, a troll, etc. you led the arguments, then you are mistaken.
I prefer to discuss the facts, and you diligently try to avoid it.


Still waiting for your answers.

I am not surprise that dbshck (http://dbshck) is one of the top sender of merits this because he/she is a merit source and does only do his/her job actively sending merits. The user usually handed 4 merits on every posts that he/she merited. I cannot see reason that this user must be accountable in any problems in that local board.

Anyway, whatever problem the local board has let it solve by them at their level and no need to reach out the forum admins as much as possible. There are local boards moderators and for sure those users should be PM first and should have respected the chain. It is not a good idea to directly go over admins or global forum moderators without asking first the local boards moderators. This is how it should be done and posting here would less likely to be appreciated by theymos.

The information that served as the beginning of my investigation was published on february 04, 2019. Everyone in local ignored this information. There was no action or comment.
When additional evidence was published (on June 08, 2019), some DT members (taikuri13, chimk, Alex_Sr) began to aggressively protect the scamer.
And as you can see from the first post, I found a lot of scamers and additional evidence, but none of the listed DT members are interested in it, they only continue to protect the scamer.
I think this is an important issue for the entire forum and should be resolved at a high level.

The evidence you provide is weak. Evidence shouldn't be like extracting teeth in order to get each piece. It should be clearly presented at the start of the thread and have a logical flow which it lacks.

It should also be in line with the guidance of Theymos and break the forum rules.

Because you personally attack the DTs that have responded to you - they react less than favorable to you. You have failed to provide solid evidence against respected members of this forum. In your thread you allege that there is "total corruption involving DTs"

That is not "defending a scammer". It is a reaction to you acting like an asshole.

This is your personal opinion. Some people have a different opinion:



They diligently avoid discussing the facts ... all because I am bad?
I don't care what they call me (troll, liar, etc.), but I would like to hear their statements on specific issues.

It gets to a stage where it becomes apparent that no matter how much it is explained to you that you do not appear to read or undestand the responses. A good example is earlier in the thread where I answer all your questions and then you claim that I havent answered them.. You have done the same thing to others. This is why I archived the thread. Anyone reading this thread can see that you deliberately ignore answers because they do not support your rhetoric.

Yet - I asked you a question earlier in the thread which remains unanswered.

xtraelv

Try to look at the situation from my point of view. I also think that I show simple facts and ask simple questions, but they are ignored.
If you want to continue the discussion, you can repeat your questions. But in that case I will repeat my questions.

On one hand DTs are tagging an low evidence case of 'Thread Bumping' pretty fast here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157841.0 ( 4 red tags in couple of days )

One the other hand, even after posting a lot of proves and solid discussions on the topic mentioned in the OP, most of the DTs are protecting this scammer @SmartMan by declining the argument by saying it is not an support from DT but someone disagreeing with you lol :D

Wow Wow Double standards perfect example..

Want to laugh?
Check out this post: I have described in great detail how Smart man is working from his alt accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51607143#msg51607143).
Do you understand the level of discussion?
- Here are the proofs.
- I see nothing, it is suspicion.
- Here are the facts.
- I can not see anything.

 ;D

You have not correctly translated the Russian word "дoмыcлы".  You translate under tracing paper, losing meaning. The correct translation with preservation of meaning, not speculation, but interpretation.
Do you want to talk about the facts? I checked your charges on this case.

Date of registration.

registration date is the same in numbers for only two people. Matches only in numbers, in time does not match. The other two people do not even match the date. Conclusion, date of registration, is not evidence in this case.
MrBoston 11/13/2017 4:41:17 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston
Fixxer767 11/13/2017 5:22:55 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767

Jeronimo78  11/14/2017 1:41:18 PM
https://bpip.org/search.aspx?q=Jeronimo78
Blanchrc40   11/11/2017 2:09:12 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40

Password change date.

password change time is the same for two users with an interval of 16 minutes. Indirectly may be evidence.
MrBoston 3/25/2018 9:48:00 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston
Blanchrc40 3/25/2018 9:32:14 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40

Fixxer767 3/25/2018 10:20:35 PM the date of the password change is the same, the time does not match. Indirect weak evidence.
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767

Jeronimo78 user date change password does not match. Also, the date of registration does not match. This cannot be evidence.
Jeronimo78 3/18/2018 4:13:10 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jeronimo78

woke up
Jeronimo78 5/9/2019 8:29:33 AM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jeronimo78
MrBoston   5/14/2019 9:52:40 PM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MrBoston
Blanchrc40 5/9/2019 8:34:21 AM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blanchrc40
Fixxer767 5/12/2019 11:30:10 AM
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Fixxer767

Jeronimo78 has a coincidence with one of the above. By registering and changing the password no. Based on this, I would not bind them with confidence


Comments

Comments of these users in the topic Smartman do not contain addresses, logins, other individual data. There are no reviews on cooperation with Smartman However, following only your logic, consider these comments to be interrelated. This is your interpretation, this is prejudice, but not proof.
These comments do not violate the rules.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg43702837#msg43702837
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg43790610#msg43790610
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg44035191#msg44035191
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg26771578#msg26771578
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg34592044#msg34592044
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg36061797#msg36061797
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg47444532#msg47444532
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg47476556#msg47476556

Merit

This supposed farm has no common merit, your multi-level picture is not proof for me. People who get a lot of merit are connected with many people, it may not be what you think, for me this is not proof.

Customer feedback.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg48106050#msg48106050
There is one review of poorly performed work. In the same topic, the person who left the review offers services of a higher quality, competes. I didn’t see what he was asking for money back, or talking about fraud. But I saw that you corresponded with another user. It mentions the possibility of performing WP.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058283.msg21750927#msg21750927
http://archive.md/2sW1R

 I asked you a clarifying question several times, you left the answer.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51603044#msg51603044

I suspect the existence of a second motive for prosecution.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51544427#msg51544427

The most important thing in this case. This is not a reason for changing the trust, for me. If you are confident in the evidence, submit it to the moderators. Jeronimo78 is locked. If your evidence is sufficient, Smartman falls under rule 25. This is a good way to check the quality of your facts, but this is not enough for me. If there is other evidence, you may find a connection. At the moment, you are accusing people of corruption, without evidence. You come to META to make a loud headline, and when they ask you for proof, you say; - "I have compiled a questionnaire for you, answer 4 questions" ... If you have no evidence, you can only assume and then your survey and questions will be relevant if you ask politely.
But you have already left a review Smartman, he has the right to challenge him.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1090672
Reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51607143#msg51607143
This is on your conscience. What questions to me? we have a different understanding of the evidence base


You also slandered me.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51544427#msg51544427

I see an increase in harassment and false accusations, interspersed with insults and pressure. I think this is the work of several people. At first disputes were fought around BTC, now personal attacks began.

With patience sufficient evidence is eventually found.

When dealing with reputations care has to be taken.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1090672

But this should have been done on the reputation board.

The evidence was already here, but most of the people were trying to avoid it in the whatever way they can including you. But I am glad you got to know the real culprit of this farming cycle. Smartman was shady enough from the first look to me.

The evidence was not here. Just the accusation along with lots of other unproven accusations.

It is better to let a guilty man walk free than to punish an innocent person.

Blockchain prrof of bounty cheating is strong proof that deception led to financial gain.

http://web.archive.org/web/20190701041340/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795016.1660 MariaHoume
http://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3219355.260 nafantc
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701041730/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3429837.0 DjonMnemonik
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701041845/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3280729.0 nafantc
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701042050/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2670346.0 MelnikBitok
http://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2589870.msg26362627%23msg26362627 cryptosolovey
http://web.archive.org/web/20190701042321/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3746757.0 Allexmdd

I've reviewed Smart man's posts and looked at the evidence.

I see solid evidence linking the accounts: MariaHoume,  nafantc, DjonMnemonik, MelnikBitok, cryptosolovey and Allexmdd

But I fail to understand the direct link between those accounts to smart man.

However I do understand this:

https://i.imgur.com/8dNxS8l.png

https://i.imgur.com/esNKLME.png

https://i.imgur.com/Cb9GxsX.png

https://i.imgur.com/Icyh7JC.png

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Tryto

I can understand your way of logic, but it is a bit flawed for this situation.

Here the same guilty man was trying to still innocent peoples rewards by merit trading and account farming. Letting him walk free would punish and let suffer more innocent peoples than one can think of due to his support from some of the reputed members and DTs. This is an overall harm to the cleaner environment of the forum and prone to abuse if you see.

Anyways the blockchain evidence are already a solid proof to come to a conclusion for both you and me and the OP.

I still fail to see the direct link between Smart Man and the farmed accounts. There are some payments between some of the ETH wallets but that is something to be expected from a bounty manager.

But I do see the direct link between the perma-banned account Tryto and Smart Man.

Sufficient evidence appeared yesterday. Now he deserves a change in the trust in case of fraud or blocking in case of evasion of the ban, without evidence I will never draw such conclusions. Until yesterday, it looked like a suspicion.

I has nothing to do with this man.

Username: MelnikBitok Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1505498

When I decided to take a bounty, it was also interesting to receive from the airdrop coins.

 MelnikBitok PR topic, fills out forms, customers receive airdrops tokens https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751963.msg28114513#msg28114513
I gave him my wallet so that the airdrop coins would be poured, he would fight in the drops to his FB and Twitter, he would point out my wallet. Received 20 rubles for a completed form. To him, there were several such topics. You can look at the wallet, really gave different airdrop tokens that ALL cost $1. Well and to whom not laziness, to look registrations in these drops which were made by MelnikBitok. I have nothing to do with his accounts, on the forum I intersect with a huge number of people on various issues.

You found this data yourself on airdrop and attached above screen

 I wrote yesterday in detail about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51661417#msg51661417

 And today I added https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51667396#msg51667396 By account Tryto answered here

 Please use google translate, thank you.

I see, they have used same telegram user name here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2965659.msg31241945#msg31241945) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3113305.msg37338609#msg37338609). This is already enough for them to get banned under ban evasion I guess.

Nothing to argue here btw. It is turning towards a moderation issue too.

No, not enough. I make a translation of Google, I have no strength, I was sitting for 3 hours, instead of sleeping.

     By Tryto look. Posts in English to anyone it is clear that I did not write. He writes himself ... Not a single drop, not a single bounty. And suddenly
    My data is laid out for the bounty, like I decided to earn. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3113305.msg37338609#msg37338609
    My data is posted in 2 months, after the data from my post from Smart man.
    Moreover, the bounty is completely left, into which I entered as a bounty translator. There were dozens of good ICOs, no, that's exactly where I was, others are not needed,
    neither earlier nor later.

    And now the fanfare!

  We open the translator bounty table, I see myself https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1krkESymhqcKjDGTtnTgyBlnpyZwe0us-X4EF1kK-SqA/edit#gid=0

  We open signature table and the miracle. Where is the tryto ??? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/155YScVfWJzcsk82CZzJLNebj9OLHqceUeyWGi1cwPQ0/edit#gid=0

  So for no reason at all I decided to earn 1 bounty and earned it so that it is not even in the bounty table? Why is it not there, although in the branch it was added
  with my data? Well? Who will understand?

 Please read the all post in Russian with the help of Google translator. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51667396#msg51667396

No it is not clear. Tryto writes in English but only a few lines at a time and the grammar shows it is not his primary language.

 Error google translate. I wanted to say that the posts are ONLY in English.

 I have a lot of work, helped dozens of ICO. There is nothing to do, sit and write meaningless posts in English. Write for what?
To go 1 time to the bounty and not even add to the table?


 Look in the profile how many created large and extremely useful topics in Russian. Chimk did not just give me 60 merit for them.
 And for this Chimk was accused of corruption. I have already painted, not a problem, I will survive. But I will not give the participants of the Russian locale an insult to trolls.

By the way, you were very helpful when you posted the airdrop data in the Russian locale  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51666582#msg51666582 Nobody asked you to look for them.  And you did not know that I explained yesterday that the intersection of my wallet and Username: MelnikBitok Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1505498 goes through airdrop.

 I looked you wrote a lot here, trying to understand whether there is corruption. I give you merit for what you are doing. Maybe I won't need them anymore.  ;D
Very good topic, no one appreciated it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114363

I see some information appeared in this thread. In general, everything is clear, but a small addition:


Smart man is involved in:
1.) Mass account trading.
2.) Merit abuse.
3.) Bumping /shilling.
4.) Offering bumping service.
5.) Plagiarism (many accounts from his farms are banned for plagiarism).
6.) Participation in the obvious scam projects.
7.) Account farming.
etc.

For users speaking on russian as native language the criminal behavior of Smart Man is obvious even with a 5-minute study of his profile.
This is what led me to the idea of ​​corruption on the part of those who, in the local, aggressively defended the obvious scamer.
Anyone can check the history of posts and see how chimik (and some others) defend Smart Man and try to avoid even discussing the facts. Although they could conduct their own research to find out the truth. But instead they attacked me, and chimik even confessed that he had made a deliberately false report on my post trying to ban me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51602574#msg51602574). I described the behavior of chimik and his endless protection of the scamer here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51679948#msg51679948) (it was in the local).
Too much lies for a person who claims objectivity.

I just recently rarely deeply conduct investigations, there is no time for that. Therefore, when you raised this question for the first time, I did not see a reason to lower the trust. Why do I need to dig deep? Do you think I have little suspicion accumulated all the time? A lot, but I do not have time to check everyone deeply. Evidence appeared only on June 30th. I am not the only person on the forum who is able to evaluate your facts. And you could see that no one was in a hurry to lower the trust. You can continue to impose my opinion on me, but I have my own opinion on the evidence and the use of the trust system.

I did not confess to the unreasonable report, I do not think moderators are fools. In the Russian section, these issues are discussed very actively, KTChampions said that he had not seen individual consideration of issues before. I gave him an example that all questions are individually considered. I made a lot of reports on it, according to the paragraphs of the rules No. 32, No. 1 and 1 report No. 33. There was no reference to the source. The report received the status of "good" and the message was deleted. There was no blocking, it is a clear example of an individual approach, which, as KTChampions argued, is missing. I'm wondering what prevents people from putting the link?  The list of blocked in the Russian section
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4588431.0

Quote from the rules in Russian: -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=994018.0

Yes, an active discussion began in the Russian section. Yesterday another accusation was made https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51681196#msg51681196 just follow the indictment links to see that the torn quotes do not reflect the context. I had to clarify https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51685665#msg51685665
at the same time read what people wrote.

I will analyze for you one accusatory link

3 merit.

The author asked when I plan to transfer BNB to BTC. I answered him that I want to wait for a higher course
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006631.msg50662797#msg50662797
Then I thought, and I suddenly realized that it was impossible to be greedy and we must convert it into BTC right now, the exchange rate was approximately 0.004 sat on April 18, 2019. It was an experience I gained. I thanked the author, who pushed me to this and sent him merits to the beginning of the discussion.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006631.msg50664365#msg50664365
on such facts was built the last accusation. It was called a crap post, with merit assigned.
Messages to which merit is assigned are not low-content. They are part of the discussion and were the "address" for the appropriation of merit in these discussions. But the content is different in quality. I gave an explanation for each message in the Russian section

You can also see the users who are assigned the maximum amount of merit, it will be clear that these are well-deserved and beneficial authors, to whom not only I give merit.
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chimk
 I used to keep statistics on which sections and for which questions merit was assigned. Coverage is high. I know the benefits of the forum, users with the maximum amount of merit. This I can also explain, it is not difficult. Content is different and technical and ideological. And BTC and altcoins and much more. The quality of the content does not depend on me, I’m not the one who writes. I check for plagiarism. Profiles I study whenever possible.

I received private messages several times and asked "can they give me a merit?". I always answered: - "I do not need merit, send to useful users." I am toxic, people communicate with me carefully, knowing that I am a target for attacks and for them there may be consequences. It seems to me.
Also in the Russian section there is a topic for messages that have no merit. There you can see and appreciate them. I am not the only source, there are a few more. The whole community is a link in the movement of merit within the network. If I did not give them to someone, maybe in this profile there is a reason for this, plagiarism, possible fraud or something else. This is all in the Russian section is now being discussed. But they called me a corrupt source. There is no evidence.

I still do not know in what format to reflect this situation, it raises many questions, but you need to understand. I received a lot of serious accusations, it can not constantly go on. In the near future I will gather all the important information together. Yesterday I again had to write a large text, exposing another lie. See a discussion of these issues.

chimk, thanks for your work! You have done a lot for the Russian-speaking bitcointalk community.

But you took a lot of time to protect the scamer.

Example: huge post on June 10, 2019 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51422868#msg51422868), and huge post on June 13, 2019 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51458554#msg51458554) You defended Smart Man although the evidence was obvious.
MaoChao pointed this out to you:
But you ignored these arguments and continued to defend the proven scamer.

One more example: I show in detail how one of the Smart Man farms works (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51607143#msg51607143).
Your answer:
and try to attack personally me.
MaoChao saw the evidence and start to tag farm accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51621826#msg51621826) (and reporting for ban) and he pointed out that there is a merit connection of the farm with Smart Man.

You always acted in this way and constantly lied. I made a selection of these cases (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51679948#msg51679948), all information is open and anyone can check it.


Another lie. Facts suggest otherwise.


Lie. My words about the lack of an individual approach were about offering bumping service:


Trying to confuse the situation, you confessed to another attack against me and it was extremely immoral. Deliberately false report on my post trying to ban me. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51602574#msg51602574)

Your tales about how useful the shitposting was for you personally, I do not even see the point of commenting. You distribute not personal merits, but merits that belong to the forum. And I have nothing to add to this:


And I still don't see your tag on Smart man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1090672) for any of these points.
1.) Mass account trading.
2.) Merit abuse.
3.) Bumping /shilling.
4.) Offering bumping service.
5.) Plagiarism (many accounts from his farms are banned for plagiarism).
6.) Participation in the obvious scam projects.
7.) Account farming.

How about this - far more relevant to chimk's situation:


tl;dr: complain to theymos directly or shut up already.

on charges of KTChampions, Smart Man is associated with the farm and if this is true, there is a blockage evasion. It is necessary to check and act in accordance with paragraph 25 of the rules.

It is sad to up this topic again, but unfortunately the need arose.

For starters, a little history that was not reflected here:

Thanks to my efforts, the serial scamer was finaly banned Ban evasion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173305.)
Some other scamers were found and tagged.
The account that was sold. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172212.)
TIRUS - Ponzi scheme + few related scam projects (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169101.)
Personal threats, lies, protection of scamer etc. Is it trustworthy? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169264.)
etc.
Everything was fine except last topic since there were people who supported (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142628.msg52004199#msg52004199) the scamer and tried to achieve the ban’s cancellation for him. But everything ended well - the ban was not canceled.

Recently, I found a couple of cheaters with high ranks.


But this information did not arouse any interest in Ru locale (all cheaters are from there) and not one of the DT members put their tag on them (in ru local there are a lot of DT members now).

A more interesting thing happened when I found some more high-ranking cheaters.


These cheaters turned out to be friends of many DT members from Ru local, so there was an amazing discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52737406#msg52737406) - about how good they are, about which idea to come up with so that it will be possible to forgive them. Moreover, many participants in the discussion at first simply denied the obvious facts with "arguments" as: i do not see/do not understand.
Fortunately, one honest DT was found in the local and she made his mark. It was lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52745566#msg52745566). After that, she was attacked by the trolls and pressure from the cheaters.
Naturally, I was attacked by some DT members - just like in the situation with the serial scammer from which this topic began. Some DT members are trying to find an excuse to tag/ban me instead of paying attention to scamers whom I point out with real facts.
At the moment, the discussion continues, scamers with numerous support feel great and I won’t be surprised if they soon persuade/force lovesmayfamilis to remove the tag.

Therefore, I have a request: take a look at the scamers and the facts that I cited on them and make your tag. Help Ru local.

I've read the discussion. You're exaggerating. There is a lively discussion going on about be.open's value to the forum and forgiveness, not unlike theymos suggested we should be doing for lesser transgressions. It's starting to look like every time a discussion doesn't go your way you run to the English boards looking for non-Russian speaking DTs to inflame the conflict. There is a precedent for a "friends and family" lenience (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147367) in similar cases so it's far from a "Ru local" conspiracy as you'd like us to believe.

KTChampions often exaggerate. Failure to change the trust for an attempt to create a "bumping service", he called the protection of a scammer. . He exaggerates calling Craig Wright the creator of Bitcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51273720#msg51273720
 Refusal to admit evidence, the movement of merit, calls the protection of a fraudster. He also “exaggerated” by accusing me of having an alternate account and corruption.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51544427#msg51544427

In the Russian section there is a really active discussion, as part of the discussion we talked about honesty. I said that if an accusation is made, it will be good if people admit their guilt and we will avoid drama. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52738030#msg52738030

Later, I asked KTChampions to honestly answer two questions.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52744046#msg52744046

I recently looked through the account sales thread and found a quote for a nonexistent message, here it is -

http://archive.md/lHD7w

 Bitonly88 wants to buy Full Member accounts, a quoted message from KTChampions, in quote, please state the price range. There is a quote, but no message. I asked KTChampions what does this mean? Look what he said to me,
 and whose name he inserted instead of his own by editing the message.

Either Bitonly88 committed a forgery, compromising KTChampions, or KTChampions, embarrassed to tell the truth, makes a false accusation of forgery. It doesn’t matter that Bitonly88, an account seller, should be interested in the truth. Later, suchmoon clarified, does KTChampions really deny his participation in the discussion of account purchases? Then KTChampions wrote that he did not remember, and maybe it was his way to show fraud in the discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52750455#msg52750455
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52751851#msg52751851

But initially, he said “Ask a question at the address, namely Bitonly88.
You never know what he could write there, for example” and instead of KTChampions, Satoshi Nakamoto inserted. I have a request, if someone can clarify the light on this situation and get a message from the archive, please help.I want to understand whether Bitonly88 made a forgery or KTChampions once again exaggerated.

sorry for the bad english.

The fact that I go to Meta in controversial situations is quite logical. There are many more honest people here and they act more quickly, plus scamers and their defenders are less arrogant than in the local.

Now I will show you an example that does not apply to high-ranking scamers: I found a ponzi scheme and several related projects. I don’t need any merits or any confession, I just need the scamers to be punished. Therefore, I published this information in two (!!!) sections devoted to scams in the Ru local.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4687372.msg51946673#msg51946673
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg51946711#msg51946711

Have any actions been taken? Have scammers been tagged? No.
But I got advice to publish this in "Scam Accusations". Ok, i did it: TIRUS - Ponzi scheme + few related scam projects (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169101.)
The scamer was instantly tagged. And even a flag was created so that the fraudster could not deceive anyone.

I returned to the local and said that I had done what I was advised. And...? Maybe you will show me at least one tag from the DT members from the Ru local? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1182356

But this is the simplest case. I believe that such things should be easily solved inside the local, but as you can see they are not solved.

Now another simple example: Several bounty cheaters with high ranks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191350.)


Please show me the work of DT members from Ru local in this case.

Yes, you defended the scammer. Here are the details (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51698333#msg51698333), it is not clear why you are avoiding them. Better repent once and admit the mistake.

Old lie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169264.msg52014699#msg52014699).


I have the right to my opinion, everyone can read this topic and see who and how honestly behaves.


At the same time, you didn’t make your own opinion about the violators (under the pretext that you do not understand the bounty) but started looking for an excuse to spoil my reputation / ban me. Some kind of super illogical behavior.


The next lie but of course you will refer to your poor English  ;)
Correct translation: Why you yourself do not voice the price range?
I consider this behavior fraudulent (regardless of what is for sale) and I have blamed many sellers of various goods for this.


Why don't you give a translation of my answer? Trying to mislead those who do not know Russian? Ok, I will do it for you:



Above in the quote, I explained what and why could happen. I am not surprised that you did not show this my answer here.

And now about you: I answered your two questions, and you promised to answer my two in response. But somehow you dodge it.
May be you want to do it here? So my questions:

You can go anywhere you want, just try to be at least honest and not lie about what's really going on. There is no conspiracy, be.open has been tagged by DT, you're not happy though because not everyone agrees with you, and anyone who doesn't jump to the same conclusions as you is "protecting scammers". ::)

Your weaselly response to the question about the deleted post exemplifies your character - from indirectly blaming another poster with fabrication, to insinuations that a moderator deleted it (hint: modlog is public), to the good old "but it's not a crime even if I did it". Of course it's not. It's the cover-up that makes it suspicious.

I agree that not all people “mistaken” in users are interested defenders of scamers. Everyone makes mistakes, but I'm sure that some users intentionally protect caught fraudsters for one reason or another.
As for my alleged lie: since yesterday, a lot of posts were written in the locale ... do you read them? Do you think they all adequately describe objective reality or do some users lie?


By the post above, I showed why all the questions and actions from chimk make me suspicious. I’m tired of the fact that after the publication of some information, for some reason, not information is discussed, but I. And it seems to me that after what happened and continues to happen, I have the right to suspicion and self-defense.

It's a discussion with all kinds of opinions, as discussions tend to be. To call it some sort of "protection" conspiracy is asinine. Some people probably lie. You definitely lie.


Again, you can do whatever you want and I'm sure you will. It's your own credibility at risk when you're mixing credible accusations with not-so-credible insinuations and revisionism.

This is your opinion, I have a different opinion and anyone who reads a topic from the very beginning can make up their own opinion.


How nice to hear the decision of the last resort. Thank you for your opinion.


Just for this (unmixing), there are discussions "with all kinds of opinions, as discussions tend to be" so yes i will continue to do that i'm doing  ;)
At the moment, I am pleased with the results - despite the difficulties, many scamers are tagged and banned.

How boring and uninteresting is the life of a person who voluntarily does this. Go for a walk or something, maybe you will find a girl, most importantly squeeze out acne. ;D

The accusation of lying, as always arrogant and untenable. >:(
https://i.imgur.com/hzIUbdy.jpg


I'll start with the accusation of lying.
Subject: The creator of Bitcoin on the BTC. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51274166#msg51274166)
Created by KTChampions.
Article: Shades of Black ...
Posted by Crag Wright.
http://archive.md/VzVPH

where is the lie? I do not like your many false accusations, in different forum topics. I'm starting to think that you can inflict unreasonable damage to the reputation of any user.
_______________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________

When I said that the title of the topic is disorientation, he referred to the opinion of the US government agency, calling the remaining opinions fantasies. Although this is no longer relevant to his accusation of lying.  ::)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148832.msg51274166#msg51274166

_______________________________________________________________________________ __________________________

If you follow his link, you can die of laughter, be careful.  :D

Why are there such big words when in reality in the Russian section the opposite is true?

Why does he consider the “creator” of Bitcoin, fake Satoshi, a scammer?
KTChampions repeatedly calls Bitcoin a financial pyramid fraud and compares it with the famous criminal pyramids of Russia, for example, MMM.

translation - ...specifically Bitcoin, almost always rated as scam....
http://archive.md/zlITq


translation - I’m not saying that Bitcoin is a bubble, it is a pyramid.
http://archive.md/90dS9

transfer - I affirm that Bitcoin is a pyramid where the profits of the first participants are ensured by the subsequent ones and it will eventually collapse

http://archive.md/1hC9u

translation - Why do I need it? I show the correspondence of Bitcoin to the pyramid.

http://archive.md/RqHIa

crypto enthusiast.... ;D


translation - calls enthusiastic fools or scammers.
http://archive.md/LaA9i

translation - I know, but religion does not allow sharing info free
http://archive.md/LKhOU

translation - I can sell the link to the bounty ...
http://archive.md/xAexb

Here is such an enthusiast, I have collected more links here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52608574#msg52608574)

Translation - Dollar, Euro - great tools and they work.
there are so many

http://archive.md/wuSaI

_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________

KTChampions, it’s you who came to META with corruption charges and did not provide them. KTChampions, this you repeatedly repeat in META and in the Russian section that I am a defender of the scammer. I, just like everyone, refused to paint without strong evidence. I have the right to have my own opinion, and other users, and even more so members of the DT, should be independent. On June 30, when new charges appeared that were not related to the bumping service with which you came here, I wrote the following -

Translation - This is a common case that is no different from others. If there is fraud, he must have a mark in TRUST. If there is a connection with other blocked accounts, the rule No. 25 applies.

Until June 30, this case was not and other strong evidence, also was not.

 I am not a defender of fraudsters, you repeatedly disseminate slander in the Russian section and harass me with false accusations.
_______________________________________________________________________________ ________________________
 

KTChampions, if there is a mark in TRUST from the user DT, with Reference, why put others? Users are already warned. Why insult people who express their opinion in the Russian section? Why do you persecute people dozens of times for not hard actions, for which they have a mark in TRUST? Why are you creating an atmosphere of fear in the Russian section? You come to META and you're lying. Why are you surprised that your opinion is not the main thing? KTChampions, are you the chief prosecutor? No, KTChampions, you are the main hater of the Russian section. You never understood the bitcoin community, it has a meritocracy. The last case with be.open, upset many. lovesmayfamilis changed TRUST because earlier, she added to her TRUST list.


Users tried to understand the extent of the abuse because they respected be.open. They tried to understand the extent of the damage and its past achievements and how dangerous is it
_______________________________________________________________________________ _________________________-

People commit small deeds and serious crimes because of selfishness. In some countries of the former USSR, a high level of corruption and crime. People are deprived of the full spiritual development. They live in difficult conditions, many are degrading. Some do something for their development and sometimes help others. The Russian section is not easy, there is also a lot of dishonest. Over the past year, there have been many improvements and this is definitely not your merit. Do you think the forum administration is in illusions regarding the Russian section? No, but they give us room for growth. To the best of our ability, we make the section cleaner. There is a huge side effect from your activity, almost damage. You destroy the section. From every investigation that lay on the surface, you make a real show, humiliating people.
You are the same selfish person. It is easy to see from messages, even in English -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1457075.msg20888914#msg20888914


and also provided paid bumping service
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52772881#msg52772881

if people do not commit serious crimes, they should be given the opportunity to remain full participants, perhaps they can even be useful. But this is if you have good goals.

I am sincerely surprised how impudent slander, lies and aggression, on such a scale.

sorry for the curve translation

Firstly, inaccurate translation, the real Subject is "The creator of Bitcoin about the BTC."
It is clear to any normal person that Bitcoin = BTC. But Crag Wright doesn't think so and therefore this expression is used. This topic is a translation of Craig's article. Why are you surprised that it is named so? You read it and did not understand? Or are you just looking for another reason to lie about me?


I always propose an objective consideration of the facts, if the facts cannot be established accurately, then only opinions remain. They can be any. Like it or not.


Thanks to fiat prostitutes like you, bitcoin really has long and far gone from the initial idea. And besides the payment system, part of bitcoin is a pyramid. I have such an opinion. Do you forbid me to have it?  ;D
As for the quotes that you pulled from my> 1,700 posts (out of context), this is just ridiculous, can you really find something really serious against me?


A beautiful fairy tale, and the facts are here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156668.msg51698333#msg51698333) in English and anyone can easily check them.


 ;D  ;D  ;D Show me please this tag?  ::) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986242
May be i'm blind?

Everything happened as I expected - there was one honest person in Ru local. Nobody supported her, on the contrary, she was insulted by the crowd, and after lengthy “discussions” of this kind they brought her to the point of removing her tag. There is not even a neutral mark.

Should I bring all these dirty quotes here? Do you want me to show all this shit here? Or are you smart enough not to dispute this?

And after that, you have the audacity to say that it’s me (and not the corrupt DTs) who are killing Ru local?  :o


Lie. No bumping, just reviews for money. I showed it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52773684#msg52773684).
A small example of my paid post:

here we go:

Nice, isn't it?  ;)

Once again, I remind you that we had a deal. You avoid its implementation although I have already completed my part. Are you a scammer?

we have discussed this many times. if you need points with numbers, get it.
 1. Because everyone decides what to check, whom to check and does it because of his competence. In addition, you pose a much greater threat to the partition than even Smartman and especially be.open. It's my opinion.

2. It will be enough for me if people know the truth about your activities. Think about why Veleor asked you this question.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg52772881#msg52772881
Investigate further; nobody bothers you. Your lies, slander and other harm will be exposed. About fiat prostitutes, do not make me laugh, you are a fiat propagandist.



Translation -dollar has always solved these problems more reliably...


Translation - With Bitcoin, all kinds of obstacles can also arise and ...? What is the argument? The dollar is still better and everyone needs it in the end.
http://archive.md/Z9Zxx



Translation - Bucks there circulate perfectly on the black market + no one canceled online. And I will notice that you continue to pile up fantasies: if we are in Venezuela, but if bucks are prohibited, etc., but the facts do not change from this: the dollar is even better than a cue ball in Venezuela. And it is impossible to call bitcoin a means of saving, taking into account -80% of the price for the past 2 years. A highly speculative instrument - yes, a store of value - 100% no.
http://archive.md/k1dLp


Translation - a dollar is 100% better. Bitcoin is completely unnecessary, it is like a dog’s fifth leg.

http://archive.md/9Gqrp


Translation -  Bitcoin does not even have to be banned so that it stumbles. He will never become money.
http://archive.md/q5a5K


Translation - If we are talking about a legal field, then bitcoin (even in a fantasized future) will still be worse than existing fiat systems

http://archive.md/OBp0C


Translation - Here, in this scheme, the dollar is everywhere, since all people are guided by the price in dollars (they don’t give a damn about bitcoin), even bitcoin itself is interesting only in the sense of how much they will give for it.
All this is objective reality.

http://archive.md/5mW29


Translation - Difficulties with understanding are just with you.
Facts: the price is set in dollars and people focus only on it.
Where they get the dollars does not bother anyone - from the sale of manure or from the sale of bitcoin.

http://archive.md/LZAHX


Translation - Dollar, Euro - great tools and they work.
http://archive.md/wuSaI


Do you still want to talk about fiat prostitutes? This is an illustration of hypocrisy.
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How can I submit a false review? You had someone else’s text without a link. I made a report and got GOOD status, your message was deleted. I have dozens of reports with GOOD status, users are not blocked.