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i don't know what on earth would trigger the bullrun in the alts. i think we have seen enough of this bloodbath there is about 8 month left in the bitcoin next block halving and still market condition is not improving. is there will be any improvement in the alts or they all will die

What improvements do you expect?
if the improvement you mean for all alts, I think that's not possible, but if for the top few alts, I think they still have hope, as long as the team can make updates about the project.

When alts are difficult to develop, don't have a daily trading volume, they will slowly be abandoned and eventually die.

Lower bitcoin dominance will do and I think Ethereum 2.0 will. But as of now, we don't have anything to wait and just accept the situation now that we need to be patient and wait for the right moment to come for alts bull.

Don't worry about that if the market is still on bear while we're reaching the next halving next year. Most of the alts will die but the strongest one will stay.

A little surge for altcoin already happened last week but this time it looks like the altcoin movement is going back again to follow bitcoin.
I believe there will always a chance for an altcoin to eat the bitcoin's dominance again but you can't expect the bitcoin halving will bring a lot of value to the bitcoin instantly. It should be a long term impact on bitcoin.
they will not die but they will get a big bearish trend.

Altcoins will not die there where be altcoins that will appear , as sayings said that if their will be gone there will be replacements. We experience the downfall of altcoins in this year but i still believe that it will bounce back again and regains their peak for a bullrun , we just only have to wait for that time to happeb.

I feel you have such disappointing, we have nothing to do but wait for the perfect days of crypto. We have this bloodbath since last year and that's sad that more altcoins are dying and only known coins in the market are able to survive from the long bearish season we have.

We all just be hopeful that this coming halving will have a positive impact and to expect that it could help to increase market demand that could result in the price increase. 

What you say that altcoin has not been as passionate for a long time is a fact that is currently happening and is true.
but if altcoin still has a chance to be able to move and get excited again, obviously that opportunity is very possible. there are many altcoins that are good enough, although bad ones may be more, so it is decisive to analyze well.

We just need to get used in this kind of market. Intelligent investors and traders are earning even in bear market by buying and investing to good coins. Long term hold is not even advisable since it will just give you loss and red gains.

The market has actually improved a lot as compared to the previous half of this year. The total market cap has more than doubled. Bitcoin has also more than tripled its value since then. A lot of altcoins such as ETH has also made its way toward $200. We are rising at least compared to the bad days within the year. If we compare it with the best days in late 2017 and early 2018 though, we still have to wait a little longer. But I guess we are going to the better days.

Everything takes time. The crypto market experienced many bull runs. Every bull run, makes the last one looks smaller... more specifically BTC bull runs. The last one, alt coins and bitcoin experienced. But here is the thing, if the bear rally is as big as the bull rally, then it will take time till investors gain the trust again. It will come. Just don't invest amounts you're not comfortable with.

Bloodbaths are not called bloodbath without blood. Get over it my friend,,, altcoins always carried this risk, and we who have them should know this. Market conditions do not follow logic so let us also not get false hopes over recovery. But be prepared for when it comes, you will need to be alert!

Higher market confidence would I think be the trigger. The bear ended really about February, and we've seen a pick up in price since then. Mostly in BTC, yes, but alts are likely to follow once the confidence increases some more. We've seen the tentative start of it in the last week or so, with alts increasing whilst BTC stagnates a bit. Give it some more time, and I'm sure the alts will rise again.

Bears > consolidate > accumulation > if demand is stronger than supply > bullrun because most of the supply is depleted during the accumulation phase

Well, it really depends on supply demand at last

Altcoins is like something that stand alone for now, maybe what can make it get a lot of demands is when it get any updates from it's developer. If not, people will more focus on bitcoin and top coinmarketcap coins. That is why new tokens that keep coming must get demands by themself so their price can be increased. But only a few project might will do that things.

There will be improvements soon, I believe that is possible, but I don't know when exactly we will see that.
I'm hoping it will be soon but if it will not happen soon, please don't loss your trust in the crypto market, time so flies so fast, I didn't notice it's already 2 years but the good news is I'm still stable holding my coins although they are not the value I like to see.

Next year will be bitcoin halving, I think we have a great chance of seeing altcoins rise that time, but also, be optimistic in the last quarter of this year because we still have 3 months and a rally is possible at that length of time.

Bakkt launch has obviously failed and it should affect BTC price. When big investors would finally realise that it is time to push altcoins, alts will fly very high. We just need to wait till the BTC dominance would decrease.

After Bakkt was launched, all these coins continued to make huge adjustments and this was the main reason that I always considered very carefully when investing. The market is very volatile and you cannot predict exactly what will happen so I advise you not to trust too much in altcoins. I don't have any clear information at this point but maybe 2020 is still a year that worries us

i think you missed the 250% bitcoin price rise this year! i would call that a big improvement! and that's not all, the market is still getting ready for the real bitcoin bull run.

as for altcoins, it has always been like this. shitcoins get pumped a lot (like 2017) then they get dumped for a couple of years so that market can purge them out by killing them and opening up room for new coins to come alone in the next altcoin pump season which can only happen during the last quarter of bitcoin price rally to a new ATH. in other words when bitcoin is going from ~$70,000 to $100,000 you can expect the shitcoin pump to begin big.

The longer the bear market and cumulative phase, the higher the profits will eventually be. Think about it, smart people buy now to sell at least in 10 times profit because now they risk investing in cryptocurrency, when situation around is not stable.

And smart people knows that buying right now is a proper timing. Those people that are into quick profits will never understand the chance that the market is giving to everybody.
We have surpassed a year long of bear market last 2018 and so what if this is still a bear market? bitcoin has been up so it can be said that it's not really that heavily bearish right now.

actually this depends on how we start and end an investment or trade carried out. when only holding market assets in 2017 until now and not selling because the value is down I think is the wrong choice. we must determine when we will sell assets even in losses, and we will not suffer in bad market conditions even though it's been 2 years we are waiting for a big move to repeat 2017. focus on the market and take the opportunity available even if only a little.

The situation will not be so pessimistic. The market is just falling hot these days in preparation for a strong pump of coins. As you can see, a few days ago, the alts were very well pumped.
This will continue to happen continuously this year and I believe the alts will be back soon. Don't worry, just keep holding my friend ;)

what is the reason the pump will occur? several times the decline that occurred in the market cause slow movements thereafter. need time to restore the market movement to be stable again.
strong pumps that occur may only be experienced by a few assets, not comprehensive on all assets on the market and active in trading.

And then can you try to calculate about how much token or coins that already reached 10 times profit right now? The long bear market doesn't give any guarantee how much profit you will receive that from your investment.
Market is not so easy to be prediction and the fact that even a big company can be shutdown caused by the worst situation that happened on the bearish trend.

I guess we don't have any ideas until when the altcoin can increase again. We could still hope that before bitcoin halving, the altcoin will increase or in the other scenario, the altcoin will increase after bitcoin halving. There are so many possibilities that could happen in the next year, and yet, we don't know the truth, but we could wait for that time to happen.

If you still believe that the altcoin will rise again, then you should prepare for a few months ago until now by buying many potential altcoins at the market. You will have a chance to make a bigger profit again when the big pump comes in the market. Until that time, we cannot do anything except buying the coins, so when the big pump comes, you are ready to sell your coin at a higher price.

just increase your patience buddy just keep collect and hold only a solid and reliable altcoin
such as ethereum, bnb, eos and litecoin
so, when the bull coming back, your money will grow,,
anyway, i think the bear already over few months ago, but the bull not coming yet

The improvement of altcoin grows very slowly when BTC dominates the market.  For altcoins at the top, we may have some hope for it.  The market really needs a miracle so that altcoins can return to the price we want.

If you want the market to go all green then you need to build up the hype just like what happened in 2017 but when the hype is gone so does the bullish.
I see the altcoins to differ to each other in term of bearish and bullish as a good situation simply because they are showing independence unlike a year ago while the movement of alts simply affected by the more dominance coin like BTC and ETH.

Alts prices are plummeting down but doesnt mean that they would eventually die so easily.We are indeed seeing this very bearish market not only for 8 months but almost 2 years as far as i remember.After that 2017 bull run comes next with the bear ones.Now btc price is going back to 8k level on a very short span of time.If you do hold up some alts then you wont have any choice but to hold or you would consider on having average down or not. What to expect? Dont expect because it will just disrupt your investing patterns and this do proves out  that hoping too much will just stress you out.

well, although the price movement of cryptocurrency is not too good but there are still a few price movements that can provide benefits for you, so for trading do not let you be quiet, you must have a little capital remaining to trade so you can still have money to survive. I also know that there will be a halving bitcoin that will probably happen in 2020 where it will create surprises for holders or new bitcoin traders who have bought bitcoin at cheap prices.

The ones that have no use case will die sooner or latter. There is no logic not to. Those that have usecase will start gaining value when that happens.  Wen they gain value just because of stupid money entering it as it happeend in 2017, then it also loses value fast. Since stupid money is not loyal. Oh and if we have recesion next year, that will be a total bad news. There is no stupid money in recesion time.

First what do you mean by “2 years of bear market”? Is there such thing?

This is the problem if we are always living in 2017 and on even seen the goodness of crypto this past months

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Let’s move on from the hype of 2017 and let’s focus on what we having these days in which the investors of last quarter of 2018 up to first quarter of 2019 are now celebrating the profit they’ve got and this is what we must be thankful now and not that every dump you’ll find reason to blame the market

I think we have seen majority of the Altcoins that doesn't offer any real life usage dying already. We are no longer in the altcoin hype like in 2017. Investors are getting wiser and intelligent today. So don't expect a similar hype or irrational buyers entering crypto sphere.

Trigger for a altcoin bull run? Wait for bitcoin first and then we can talk about altcoin bull run.

We shouldn't give up on this bearish situation because the bearish situation will help to research about the other potential coins in the market. Instead of looking at the price, we should not repeat the same mistake in the next slots, through experience we should overcome our faults.

Regarding to what will happen in the future there's no one can conclude anything, all will still relied with speculative guess. This remaining time before the halving would give some hints to what possible directions the market will go, it's an emerging balance that can be created once Bitcoin being appreciate and received more adoptions. Alts will soon be able to catch up most of those real projects that have good fundamentals.

my guess if its run like previous chart so it will bull in 2021, you can see bitcoin chart from 2013.
but in this situation it will different in past cryptocurrency only a few and now the amount is too much.
so it can be fast bull or long time, depends on situation, usually in late year crypto wil show good/bad news ::)

The future is still bright for all altcoin holders. Although it seems as altcoin season has passed but there are still hope. Not all altcoin will fade away, majority will keep flourishing once they are useful and beneficial to their community and investors

nah.. they will not all die, I believe altcoins will be improving in the future so just hold for now. Two years of bear market? I don't think so, last year was really bear market, but this year the market has begun to recover so lucky those who bought alts earlier, anyway bull market has not yet to come so let's just buy more alts and wait the bullish market to happen.

Now you should add more time to hold your altcoin since market got dumped again right now (altcoin even worse than bitcoin). We were happy with bitcoin seems stable around $10k but what happened now? It's dropped to $8.5k and almost of altcoin value even dropped at least more than 10%

I don't think that will happen this year. the market is still in a bad state to see a bull run. 2 years in not so good condition, I think the crypto market will get something new that can help a big adoption happen. We have not seen anything new for this year, although if there is growth in the near future is what everyone has been waiting for.

mostly altcoins without a working product will die in the next bear month maybe after 2 years , bitcoin price drop , perfect time to buy more btc before the bull run happens.

Just look at the current positives of the market, not just the altcoin price. The crypto market is getting more mature, more and more projects are still being launched, and only legit projects, real products and teams can exist. A bear market will purify the market and helping it develop more sustainably.

And it is very interesting that just as the market of altcoins began to give some positive signs the market suddenly collapsed, I was watching the markets when it happened and I could hardly believe my eyes, the drop that we experimented yesterday was incredibly quick and all the progress that ETH made during the last week was erased in a matter of hours, this will probably put to rest any chance that we had to see an altcoin season by the end of the year and it probably means that we will see a further decrease during the next months.

Nothing needs to trigger it, it's all human psychology cycles. When the fear and the desperation is gone, when we have shaken the weaker holders out. Then it's time for next altseason imho. Percentually most of alts will probably die off, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't have even more newer altcoins on the green on the next run though.

Right time of selling should also be determined by each investor that's here. The opportunity that the market has showed now that there's still time left for cheaper bitcoins.
But everybody doesn't look to that perspective and instead of looking to it, they even bash the market and tells that this market would take a long time before it finally recovers.

What OP's reaction is really desperate and it brings him into great fear where he can't think and decide for the best thing. Emotion is the first enemy as of being an investor or holder, and most likely this is a reason why people turn into panic selling once they hear bad news. Altcoins don't have strong market support for now as most investors are focusing on Bitcoin but we don't close the door for altcoins for a big surprise.

 

If this bears continues to  dominate the market its not good for crypto. We will see huge dumps and basically bitcoin will drop dramatically like what happened last year. But no one knows what will happen next, lets hope that this year would different like what happened in 2018.

We have a good altcoins in the market that can last with bitcoin, and of course this two years bear market will gone in the right time and we know bull market is going to happen again. Buy now because its very cheap and with bitcoin you can earn more, and with good altcoins it will also give a good return to you.

This year the market is very volatile and very similar to 2018 so this bear market will also affect a lot of our investments in the near future. I think if Bitcoin cannot return to $10,000 this year, 2020 could be a catastrophic year for this market. Now there is nothing you can predict because we are small investors and have no major influence on this market.

I think that there will no longer be any rally as everyone expects, maybe some coins will grow several times, but they will be units. We still haven’t reached the bull market and are in a bear market, they all say about bitcoin halving and that the price should rise, but look at the economic situation in the world, not everything is as good as it seems. So why should bitcoin grow?

I found this in this forum, but I forgot which thread..  it is stored in my gallery.

https://i.imgur.com/bEM1BJw.jpg

every 4 years Bitcoin will Bullish, and it has been proven, in 2013 (the first 4 years) Bitcoin Bullish, then in 2017 (the second 4 years) Bitcoin Bullish again..  and a third Bullish is most likely to occur in 2021 (the third 4 years). I suggest all of us to be patient and HOLD your assets up to the third Bitcoin Bullish,  lest you regret it because when Bitcoin is Bullish, Altcoin is likely to join Bullish too.

Yes, Crypto market is becoming more attractive because many new projects and companies are continuously launching their coin with a real product which will be helpful in the real-time environment. This will surely increase the standard of crypto market and every 2 years market will filter the fake coins with no products.

There is currently no reason for the price to rise and that has greatly affected the investment of many people in this market. I think we can do nothing but wait and I will wait patiently for Bitcoin to drop to $7,000 because this is the price that may occur in the near future. I don't have much faith in crypto but I will still choose to invest because this is the only market that helps me earn the best profit.

We can't say what will be the trigger point for alts to make a bull run. The last bull was trigger by the whole ICO hype and a lot of buyers who suddenly jump in and wanted to join the hype. Those are newbies in crypto world and think that they can make easy money out of the market.

But the whole complexion has already change though, most of the alts are dying simply because no more investors has the luxury to pour money because everyone today is losing.

So this bear trend could possibly continue leading to the bitcoin block halving. And then we will see if the positive attitude towards that event will have a domino effect to the alt market next year.

Whether it is two years or more years of bear trend, nothing to worry about. All that happening close to the cryptocurrency market runs on a cyclic pattern. Today the price can fall, but the same gets overcome by the growth. Only risk is that we don't know when will the price recovery takes place.

Over the two years we cannot say there isn't any growth, the growth took place in a slower phase and this year the growth is bigger than the previous year. Possibly the gradual growth over the end of the year will be taken to the next year as halving event is gonna take place.

There will by a bull run next year i have no dought about it, the onlly thing scary is that moust of the alts will die and we have to pick the ones that will stay alive!

Funny to see people now adjusting their 2020s to 2021. Remember in 2018 people were even saying it would recover back in 2019.

I still say what I said in 2018 early, that we should be prepared for years of winter. The bull was too fast and too hot. It'll take a long time yet for this to pass.

Everything that I have hoped for to bring the bull run for altcoins has come and passed and I still have not seen much signs of bull run, I am just watching the altcoins now to just make their own decision on when to increase our holding in them, or do we just ignore we ever had any investment in altcoins because of the situation of the bear, it is over 2 years now and only bitcoin has been able to come out of the bear market.

If not for bitcoin, Ethereum and the other top coins would not have even witnessed much increase that we have seen of them this year, and I am not so sure if bitcoin is ready to reduce its dominance, but what will reduce the dominance is also my question, will investors just suddenly wake up one day and think of investing in alts alone while they leave bitcoin? I really don’t see the possibility in this.

People tend to be impatient because of the market price which I think is somehow pulling the progress down by spreading FUD about certain projects. Perhaps, we need to focus on mass adoption and there are a lot of projects doing that. A fashion marketplace (https://www.newsbtc.com/press-releases/korean-wholesale-giant-apm-launches-blockchain-project-to-enhance-digital-payments-and-consumer-rewards/?utm_source=lx) in Korea will be rewarding their loyal shoppers with cryptocurrency, those things will help the community realize how disruptive this technology is and solve existing issues on different areas.

BTC and ETH didn't meet their ATH in just a few months, it took years and let's not forget that BTC is the best performing asset amongst everyone, ever. Who knows, ETH and other alts may slowly climb up there.

everything will not die but I always believe that the market will remain in such state during Q4. Unsurprisingly, Bakkt has failed and Libra has had too many FUDs, which has led to a reduction in speculators' expectations and a sell-off that caused the market to collapse once again.
But it's okay. Keep trying, by 2020 the market will change and there will be bull tremors in the market. Bear market cannot last more than 2 years.

with market conditions going down, actually we will really see good projects that can survive and those that will disappear from the market.
when the market is in a bull run then we will see only the best assets that have strong market support and good developers who will follow the market growth.

this thing already happened and you can see even some major coin like zilliqa has been degrading to the medium position. A major coin in the past doesn't mean if that was having a good product that can make the project still survive.
But this thing is not always working every time dude, remember about sometimes there will be a pump without any fundamental created that pump.

yes, the crypto market is truly unique, we cannot predict or carry out an analysis that will inevitably happen in the future. Even though the market has been in a bad state for 2 years, we have seen several pumps. it shows this market is still very feasible for us to follow its development. if there is a decrease then it is an opportunity.

I think the improvement in alt coins still happen because there is a lot of possibility to reach the market in upper state & happening great things the ETH token is slow up but it can be rise quick so bull run is over in 2020 and i hope the quality tokens with good projects is still alive and having different possibilities to raised the market is also possible.

But I still have big plans for the purchase of Altcoins even at cheaper prices, I think the coins will fall by 30-40%. One must be prepared for such discounts.

2019 wasn't a bear year obviously. From September 2018 to March 2019 was real bear run, later then we saw a good improvement in the crypto space. Bitcoin went to 13900 USD, ETH crossed 350$ plus! So, that was a bull run! You can't expect BTC at 19K USD all the time! But recent Bitcoin and whole crypto market crash seems not good at all! Is it a start of another bear run?

If the indicators of the cryptocurrency market do not change before the end of the year, then this trend will continue for a very long time.  Users speak out correctly, believing that this may be the beginning of a bear market, since Bitcoin has shown a good growth trend since the beginning of 2019, which is quite similar to a bull run.  But this was only in relation to Bitcoin, since the entire cryptocurrency market is still in a bad state for a long period since July 2018.

Expect another years of bear market. That's what you should expect, nothing is making this market at lot easy when regulations are not making easy as well. ITS the opposite of things that are happening. ITs he end of the world as we know it. I'm just go back to farming in my little home town, find my girlfriend with hairy armpit. I expect 10 more years of bear market.  :D

Here's a fact, the market won't stay like this forever, although i can't predict the exact period the market would recover although i can speculate on the period, I'm preparing myself for another 8+ months of altcoins bear market and redirecting majority of my investment into bitcoin. Bitcoin and selective few altcoins are the projects that have the attention of the market currently.

For others to benefit then it'll be probably after the halving event, the profits gain from hodling bitcoin will be redirected towards altcoins. Then we can expect the altcoin bull market.

And it's happening right now with such a downfall of bitcoin and when we can accumulate correctly and the majority of altcoins are getting decrease a lot from the top to the bottom. Bitcoin is even the main facot that has already created this situation.
The overrated opinion of the BAKKT brings crypto to the rekt. I hope fewer people will not bet on futures contract again.

The market is in a correction phase and we cannot identify a new trend right now so it will be difficult to choose investment. I think now is the time to choose the cheap coins available in this market because this is the best way to make a profit. The value of BTC may decrease but it will definitely increase again by the end of the year so don't worry too much and trust this market.

No, we will see a good bull market much earlier - if not at the end of this year, then certainly next year. A bear market cannot last a decade, because during this time people will simply forget about the existence of cryptocurrency. The cryptocurrency market is very dynamic and therefore the situation on it is changing very quickly. What seems completely hopeless today, tomorrow again can radically change for the better. Therefore, do not lose hope. We can see the growth of the cryptocurrency market in the coming months, despite the current fall.

for altcoins may be over, but bitcoin is still profitable. after halving I'm sure the price of bitcoin can be better than now. so keep believing. the only altcoins that will survive later might be ethereum. the rest will end up at disposal. so from now on it's better to lack altcoin in your portfolio

It is hard to say what will be the next of this market as even the famous experts are becoming fool of this bearish trend due to their positive expectations but its just make you to be disappointed again and again losing your money therefore there is nothing we can do but to constantly monitoring the market movement and hope for the best of our future investments.

We should be prepared for any eventualities and don't panic, the good old saying about investing that we should only invest what you can afford to lose is very much true today more than ever, people are now buying because of what they expect, but this is the reality that we have to accept, you can either cut your losses or continue whining with your losses.

Hard to say that its been 2 years of bear market when just a few months ago we saw bitcoin (along with altcoins) rocket to the $13,000+ level. It's just a cycle that we need to go through until higher lows are created. Eventually the true potential of bitcoin and crypto will be realized anyway and we as early adopters will be very happy then. Just hold and be patient boys, hodl and be patient.

That's supposedly we just be happy cause we've got this price too far from the price its started. That could be sad for those investors you invested crypto last 2017 bull run cause they will definitely suffering great losses until now. I don't how long they could hold their patience and really be long enough to see another ATH again. Hope this coming halving could help but not really that sure for it.
Anyway, we just be positive for that.

The price isn't going to remain where it's at forever. It will move both up and down. If you don't have the money to invest and hold Bitcoin for a few years, then you're investing too much. It should be something you can just put up somewhere and forget about. If you had done that a few years ago, you'd be very happy right now. The same will most likely be true in the future as well. It's a volatile market. You can't expect the price to just keep going up.

You always have the choice, if you feel that you can wait and hold instead of allowing yourself losing your investment that will be fine. if there's no emergency needs to use your investment money  then keep it on-hold to make sure that you still have the same amount of coins and once the market start to pumped back you still have or makes more value with your hold assets. make sure to be ready adding more patience with your invested money.

The fact that we can't predict what will be the future of crypto, we all just in the market speculation which we could say not really it happens. What we have now is to enjoy what the market it was, we're not supposed to put some ends as the development will continue.
Actually, there is nothing wrong to expect more but what it happen if we failed again, are we blaming our self? Definitely not, cause either we like it or not, the market will decide not us. It will be good if the market will change its current trend and turning back high again.

Right now it seems there will be another bear market because if you look in the market the top major cryptocurrencies are now experience bloody and all of them are going to fall again. I think even they face big dump in market they will not die maybe the price will stay low in the short time but after that it will recover again.

While I understand your desperation about the lack of response of most altcoins, at the same time a question comes to my mind, why are you still looking for a bull run to happen in the altcoin market when during the previous months we already had a great recovery by bitcoin? You need to invest in whatever is giving good profits and so far altcoins do not fit that definition, only get back to the market of altcoins when it is clear that the recovery you were waiting for is happening.

It might be too much for them to be more patient since they think they have suffered too much from the bearishness of the market. Most altcoins doesn't have a chance to continue in the future since most of it will be forgotten.

The only thing that they have to consider investing is the top coins in the market because this is the only coins that would give us the profit that we have been waiting.

most likely the recovery of altcoin is when bitcoin returns to its peak (ATH), if bitcoin has not reached that level then it is likely that altcoin will always be like this, so if we really want to look for profit then it's time to re-choose bitcoin. because as you said, only bitcoin is able to recover quickly.

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Yesterday, the leading crypto asset by market cap, Bitcoin, broke down from its multi-month trading range, crashing over 15% and dragging already battered altcoins like XRP and Ethereum down further with it.

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People always waited 2X 3X 5X even 10X movements for calling the market bullish.

Market conditions not same anymore when we compare with 2017.

What I am thinking is bullish market not far away, but there will not be 5X in 3 days.

All coins will not move during this bullish market…Most of them will still try to find their all-time lows every day.

And good projects will catch the bullish trend. And we need to follow the market and improve FA for catching them in time  8)

Sure about that?

I see a lot of time s the market turned green but still end up where you can't trade well. The only profit you get from trading are enough to pay for the transaction and withdrawal fee. There may have changes of the market tomorrow but the next day is another battle. This isn't enough for traders, what I can do now is just hold and go home to work on my father's farm.  :D

First of all I think cutting down BTC dominance will do the trick but you have to be aware that its going to take such hard and relentless hardwork from altcoin projects for that to begin to take note second is the emergence of top altcoin activities With more work from them I think they will earn the respects from the people around them

The market is highly volatile and any expert can make a false guess in this market. They are just analysts for us but it is up to you to believe them or not. Now is the time for you to make new investments in this market because I believe now is a good time for you to consider now because the value of almost all coins is very cheap. People have different investment minds but I believe by the end of this year the market will rise

It will take more years before we will be able to reach another bullish market if we were wanting the year 2017 ath gives. So still find ways to earn in these stage. We can still earn a little and try to determine coins or alts that will be still in the market in a long run. Some alts already lose their value in this 2 years so better assure that what we hold will still able to make it in the next bull.

The only thing that we can do is to be patient. It took years and tge prices had crushed and spiked over the year and finally the peice of crypto is at the price that we have right now. If you think about it cryptocurrency had been through a lot and only patient investors reap what they sow. Instead of worrying when will be the next bull market, why not accumulate as much as you can why all cryptocurrency is at their most affordable price. That way you can benefit from it once the market price keeps rolling again.

yes you're right, no one can predict the future of the crypto market. certainly now is the right time to invest, before the market starts to bull. but you should avoid buying altcoin that has a low marketcap.

As you said nobody can predict the future, that is why right now is not the best time for us to invest in crypto before the bull starts. As a trader, we need to be rational and understand the flow of the market. If you are insisting on buying crypto before the trend changes, it is like you are doing gambling.
that is a bad idea for a trader because the main focus of trading is making money unless you are a gambler.
for now, just be honest and keep watching the market trends, wait until further confirmation before making any decision.

I think this halving event will have a big impact on the crypto market. People are looking forward to this day for added value and the market will have great bull run days.
We should not be too negative because the market is always volatile. Keeping our spirits up is a way to keep us longer and make more profits.

Totally agree with you...All coins are at discount and there are very good potentials. I also believe that it is right time for investment. By the way, as you mentioned low volume coins are big danger specially for new traders. Sudden increase at these coins can seem positive to new traders and try to jump on these coins.
It is not easy to earn money, so we must make our own research before invest on any coins. While TOP ranked coins are more secure than low market cap coins, there can be good opportunities at low market cap coins. But we must always now that, These low market cap coins always have much risk than others can out investment can result by losing all our fund.

In these 2 years, so many assets have been released involuntarily, some of the coins I thought would have a fantastic sale value, but in fact did not match what was expected. The weakening of the price of bitcoin makes even altkoin almost worthless, and between sure or not we still have to hope that the bull market will come soon to save us all from despair.

For sure many of altcoins will never resurrect, but those that have active dev team for sure will rise with next Bitcoin bull run.
Sonner or later it will come.. In my opinion, if not at the end of this year, in 2020 for sure..

That was becuase the project is funded by investors . there are too many good altcoins but more eth contract is not belong to them because they are totally shit.

I wouldn't think if all the altcoins died. In the current year 2019 all the coins slowly begin to grow. But there are also dead coins. Until now the Altcoin season has not come back to arrive and certainly, this made many people feel scared. Fear arises because those who hold many altcoins and Altcoin prices continue to decline.

If many people say we should  "Patience " Yes, of course, we all have patience. Maybe I'll wait until the end of the year 2019, maybe if there is no change, the coin that has a low volume will I sell.

I know that it may seem difficult to pick the right altcoins when it seems that no one is interested in them but believe me is way easier than you think, the only thing that you need to do is to avoid useless coins and to not invest in icos or ieos, only invest in altcoins that have been around for a very long time and are in the top 20 in the market right now, it is true that your profits are not going to be as good as they could be but the chances of losing your money if you invest in ethereum, litecoin or other similar coins is very low.

Project with active developers are possible to rise back indeed, there's many potentials that with hard work from the team trying to survive with bad market conditions. It will  paid off once the entire industry showed good bounce, It's tough to find which project  but with deeper efforts looking for the best one to keep., The time and money that being invested will not  wasted but  be beneficial after. Try not to look down, cheer yourself and be positive that it will be a profitable journey for you.

dont expect anything from the market
you cant beat it
just think about what you can do for the market
if we all think like that, its thousands of people who grow the market together

lets hope that the longer the bear market, the bigger the pump will be  =]

You're right . The market in 2019 really has a lot of big fluctuations and a lot of good coins were launched during this period. I think that if you carefully evaluate it, you can consider long-term investment in those coins because it will surely bring you huge profits in the near future. The crypto market now depends heavily on the psychology of investors and if people trend to buy more then that coin will surely be a profitable investment for you. Of course, not all altcoins are good because in 2019 alone, hundreds of coins died and there was no trading volume.

At times like this it feels hard for investors. But indeed the movement of altcoins is difficult to predict
for now, But we do not need to despair with conditions like this. A great investor
always optimistic with the worst conditions though. The best attitude to do is keep monitoring
movement of altcoins. I personally believe altcoins will be improved.

Maybe it's because there are so many bad issues about bitcoin from 2018 to the present.
Become triggers bad market conditions. But it is sure that in the near future there will be a miracle for altcoins.
Especially after I read the predictions of many crypto observers around the end of this year on the november there
will be a significant price increase for bitcoin and altcoins. Just be patient, and if you are having more money
is the right time to buy more altcoins, especially coins does have a good track record such as ETH, BNB, XRP, NEO, etc.

Anytime the bull run is fast approaching, I think this is the tension that it normally comes with, the market fluctuates deeply and it feels like they are all dyeing, so I expect the bull run for altcoins to actually start any moment from now because it is really long due.

Bitcoin has made some increase this year, and before its next having which will be in 8 months' time, I expect it to go on consolidation, consolidation of bitcoin is what usually give altcoins their own chance to surge, this is how it was in the past and I am so certain that this is the same trend that it will also pick this period too, but above all, we just need to be patient and always ensure that we pick the right choice of coin to invest in so that when  the bear market is over, we will have profit that will cover up for the waiting.

Whats next? Well i think it's the bull market thats next.

My opinion is that this is all part of a cycle that repeats infinitely while at the same time giving us higher lows every time. So many people still don't know about crypto and it's potential to change the financial world and when mass adoption increases we are surely in for more bull-bear market cycles.

It will still takes time to achieve this state but we can surely see that adoption is still on the move.We've been experience bearish market for years and talking about on what comes next wont really be easily be answered but we can presume that there would always be a bull run but we dont know yet on when it would happen.We do already experience it on the past but doesnt mean that we would able to experience it easily on next years to come.There would always be a correction and price or value would always vary on the demand itself.

As we are in a roller coaster scheme, ups and downs are common things to happen but this is the reason why we become profitable.
We can't expect great days for crypto yet, the downfall still at high than of uptrend motion but we would likely keep calm and accept what it happens today cause we are not the one holding it. For many years that we've been experiencing such changes, we know already what we have to do.

it's like another moment every before halving period market are always redblood, but the good news are coming in the next year when bitcoin are enter halving pashe, i think market are recovered

Of course, we expect the bull run to comes. The market already refreshes the price for all coins, so the chance to see the very highest price will happen soon. While the market still not fully recover, we can prepare ourselves by buying many altcoins, so we don't miss the chance if the bull run is coming. I am sure every people will curious about what will happen in the next years, and with the last 3 months from the end of the year, it might attract all coins to raise their price.

This year is the year to purify the entire market and if any coin cannot grow well, that coin will definitely be removed and we will avoid a lot of risks when investing. I think it is best to wait because the opportunity will come to everyone again so do not rush to invest. According to my prediction, 2020 the investment trend will return and you absolutely can earn high profits if you have a strategy.

Personally, I have lost a lot of assets during the past 1 year so sometimes I am very depressed when someone mentions this market. If the market can stabilize next year, I will use all my savings to join this market and will be determined to learn more knowledge to help me avoid past mistakes.

Always expect the unexpected so better be careful in buying and selling our investment. Make sure we only have the potential coins and we didn't let this chance pass to by the coins that we think will be able to remain in the market. This bear market is the only chance we will be able to buy them at this rate like what happen in BTC that may not fall into $5k again.

Bitcoin is currently in a transition from Bear to Bull, this is a normal cycle in the crypto asset market.  I see the Halving Bitcoin phase later will help push prices up.


For altcoin i think there will be many altcoins who are unable to survive will die.

To avoid losing all the money you invest in Altcoins, you should focus your long-term investment on coins that are believed to have great potential and show stability in their value movements.

Currently bitcoin is valued at $ 8335, that means bitcoin has increased compared to the previous year on the same date and month. In my opinion, it is almost certain that every 4 years prices will increase due to the bitcoin factor that will halving. High interest in bitcoin will make prices higher, and therefore altcoin will probably have a positive impact from that increase.

Well hopefully the next halving will trigger the bitcoin bull run to occur. Im not sure about altcoins but we know if btc increase some alts especially the popular ones are following but this is not the case for shitcoins who dont have real use cases.

Its been a long time since we last witness the alts bull run, no one knows when it will happen again but as long as we dont sell are coins then we are not losing them.

We all know this,,, but the thing is we can move the posts as much as we want. 1 day, 1 week, 1 year, 10 years. If Bitcoin drops to $10, it is still 1000x more than it was 11 years ago, so there you go,,, meaningless statistics if we do not want to see or refuse to accept context.

Expect the worst, this is what I always tell myself. And then whatever happens, I am not disappointed.

Bear markets are a part of financial markets, just like bull markets are.

They will switch places frequently, and people will be happy if they were patient and they make good choices of the assets to buy.

After months of bitcoin high price bounce, nothing went good after all because altcoins, in reality, wasn't moving and was stagnant at very cheap value. I also regret buying back those previous performing altcoins I had, but now it was dipping at the lowest price ever. The expectations were not meeting the actual phase, so it's better than never listen to speculation. Always rely on the actual trend, and watching the chart could provide us 80% accuracy.

Yeah i think people take advantage in both situations, bear market gives some people the opportunity to buy at a reduced price, bull market gives the majority the opportunity to sell high, either way it is a win - win situation,
we expect to see bull maybe in this year or in 2020 according to some, it is not certain, everyone just await when this will happen.

Expect the price will start to rise again since the halving is by next and the best thing to do is to accumulate and start trading to gain more satoshi.

But I would say that even thou for the past 2 years of the bear market, I can say that I again more profit and taking advantage of the dip.

You dare to take risks and opportunities. unlike people who panic and run away from this market. therefore you benefit from the decline that occurs.
some traders also stop trading and wait for conditions to improve. but it has been two years, I think they have returned to trading even on a small scale.
in the future, there will be more crypto, and this market must be selective in choosing potential crypto and not.

You want to say that you manage to make money from falling prices for Bitcoin and Altcoins? So do you use margin trading? I think this is a very dangerous activity, for beginners I definitely do not recommend it!

These are all empty words. All who shorted on the market all of 2018 and 2019 - as a result, lost their savings, as they opened a short position very early. As a result, making money in the falling in 2019 became unrealistic. So I consider such statements to be empty chatter.

Maybe I miss looked at this but actually, I can't see that it repeat the cycle every 4 years(particularly) cause I saw it almost all the time.
We climb high today and we fall back tomorrow, it keeps happening again and again. This is to understand that the market turns different and we can't actually compare it in the previous years. May we could expect another bulls but not really be the same as what it did in the previous bull run.

My predictions since late 2015:

https://www.tradingview.com/u/ifinta/

At this time I see this change (it is just discussed in main "Economy" forum of bitcointalk.org):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184975.0

https://i.imgur.com/YTDXYTW.png

We can expect another Bitcoin market dominance as predicted by the experts but not for Altcoin market except for Ethereum and the top coins as i think that Altcoin is crowded already due to there is always new Altcoin introduced making the investors to become small and divided.

I'm not losing my hope and trust for altcoins especially for those potential and reputable coins. Just like Bitcoin, it has to go through a lot of massive adoption to be on the mainstream. Altcoins would surely bloom when the bull run strikes. Also, top coins are good for day trading. We should only know how to deal with the changes.

We need to see Bitcoin first soaring in the market before we start seeing alternative crypto going up too.

seems like we still have more than 6 months of going up and down in the market, whales will surely full their bag before the halving happen.
And for that to gain they will do the manipulation.

I still see that this month will be good for bitcoin! they will cross the 10K USD again before November.

Most of them are on mainstream but the demand speaks for itself. The volatility also dictates the future of a coin whether the holders of it will stay or gonna lose interest to it.
The real investors and believers of the market will stay and will look upon into this assumingly extension of bear market as a great opportunity to buy in. Because next year or so is the predicted end of it.

I don't think that investors and holders will go back to buying altcoin and see this as an opportunity. some people I know now have turned most of their assets into bitcoin because of the continued price decline in altcoin until now.

although there is still enough potential for altcoin, I began to think not to add to stock again and began to focus on collecting bitcoin. besides, the year to come, bitcoin which will be halving instead of altcoin, this is a reason to collect bitcoin. We have been in the bear market for 2 years, so when there is a bull market, I think it will happen in 2020, and starting with Bitcoin.

Of course, if you do not take into account the jump in bitcoin in the price of up to $ 20,000, and then its sharp drop by 70 percent, which actually returned it to its previous price state to $ 6,500, then the current price of bitcoin is about $ 8,200, even not bad at all. It simply should not be considered the normal price of bitcoin for $ 20,000, but all that is lower is that it is falling. Who knows, maybe we will never see the price of $ 20,000 again.

Not all of them, we know, are mostly Shitcoin, mostly only for pumps and dumps, but some are really useful and use technology not just for profit.
and we see which tokens will really follow the BTC when halving, those who are really the best.

agree morethem can also be dead when the bull market of btc started . since we know that if the price of btc up altcoin will be down .

This bear market was so long because thats what people mostly did not expect
and it finds new bottoms just because people have so much confidence that "here, its the new bottom"
i believe it'll change
History shows that it can change in a matter of days

We all assume the projects are useful but in reality they are not. You know it when you hand your wallet to your kid because he won't know what to do with it.  The prices of these altcoin are subjected to what the market tell, its price is way low that what it was back 2017. You can expect the price to go up but that will just be an expectation.

Another 2 years will pass, this situation may not change when there is no substantial improvements if there is no catalyst that will push the price. We do have and its Libra but its been blocked, this will prevent the adoption we hope. The only that might get its price up is the halving thoguh.

   We need to expect sun to rise after very long night. Some of us are patently
waiting for that all this time. I bought some coins in 2017 at their top, I still keep
them, I hope with next wave they will rise again. That also shows how much I believe
in some crypto-currencies.
   What to expect next is a thing of beliefs, I believe in rise. With that in mind I'm assuming that some coins touched bottom and this is great opportunity for
increasing my portfolio. When next wave starts I will be ready.

Depends from how investors and how the users will anticipates the next market movements, you need to have a good sets of plans while waiting for the right timing to invest more inside this industry. The market still anticipating good bounce it will be on the hands of people who will continue believing the market.
Take a deep research and base your decisions according to how you understand the situations.

What have been looking for is the boost in confidence for old and new investors. what will bring money back to the space, then we could have stability while everyone makes some soft profit at all level of connection to the space. At that point we could see good news in the space, larger adoption by new investors and better projects that can replace the scams. I want a long period of this sustainability before get in the giant run.

you can expect market on 2022 crypto will boom that year so accumulate now

Not necessarily, despite the bad performance of most altcoins we still have thousands of them, do we really need that many coins? The answer is no, what we need to see is an even harder crash and we need to see hundreds if not thousands of projects with no future disappearing and until that day comes I am not so sure that we are going to see an altcoin season, I know it is hard to accept the truth but most of the altcoin market is full with scams and useless projects and we need to clean that up before a recovery happens.

Alts won't die off, projects are having media updates and what remains is wide adoption of these projects. Some are seeing many partnerships like ledu, enjin. However, as long as these updates keep coming, Alts keep surviving.

Di not be bottered mate  and do nit worry if are crypto currency believers do not lose hope especially if ypu are also knows about the importance of crypto as a new form of money future use world wide. Lextend your patience and be calm, time comes for us and yea 2 almost two years alots of altcoins is no improvement their price specially ethereum but now the altcoins seen great signal and possible that sign indicate for the new new bullrun.😀😀😀

I aggree with you, it's just the matter of time until cryptocurrency become a trend again.
Bitcoin and other crypto ever experienced this crash and the one who survive (will be rich) is the one who patient keep collecting bitcoin and other cryptocurrency

Breaking down your patience when you can't survive of this latest trend nowadays, most specially when the value of your holdings depreciated at very low value. If money is really not a need for you and you're having a regular job, just prefer holding and don't make it a big deal. Expect bigger instead, avoid negative ideas.

Choosing and trusting the token that you hold is more important than not making it a big deal. A true investor does trust the potential and the possibility of the asset to rise up its value. Doing some research especially if the coin isnt familiar to the investor. Checking its statistics, history and future plans can make a big step on the asset that you are investing than having patience and just waiting for a miracle to happen.

it is an analysis of the project or coins to be invested. I think it must be done by all investors. but what cannot be planned is the market situation and movement. although there will be a major update from a platform if market conditions don't support it may not affect demand and the price of coins. as has happened in the past two years, and you have certainly followed the market growth for the past two years.

No one will have a clue on how the bull run is triggered and if anyone has a clue on how the markets move then they would have made a fortune, we had a bear market and majority of the alt coin market went to dust and most of the coins and projects will not recover from the bear market we had, the top coins might move along with the bitcoin market and that too i do not foresee any big rally in alt coin market in the near future.

I think the bear market will probably last another 3 to 5 years because the trend of people investing in this market is very small and the actual trading volume is very low recently. In my opinion, if we cannot improve this, we will not be able to make good profits and you will face a lot of risks when investing. I don't know what will happen in the next few years but all coins in this market are trending down more and some altcoins have almost no investors.

What happened two years ago was the result of a very active popularization of cryptocurrency in society.  Investing fiat funds in cryptocurrency equivalently increased its value and therefore, cryptocurrency prices rose so quickly.  Perhaps the crash occurred at a time when speculators wanted to earn money and collapsed the market, after which Bitcoin fell and all cryptocurrencies in the cryptocurrency market fell after it.  But the fact is that many cryptocurrency users invested their funds at the end of 2017, hoping for an even longer bull run, but they lost everything, because over the past two years the market has shown only the worst performance and only 3 months ago Bitcoin reached 13000  dollars and still today again fell slightly below $ 8,000.  Few people believe in cryptocurrency and invest its potential.  That is why we have to wait a long time for a bullish trend.  But in my opinion, bullish running can only be thanks to real companies that use cryptocurrency and already have a real operating business with excellent income.

That will make the market find good altcoins and the potential can only survive the last wave.  This will help eliminate shitcoin.  Wait for the good news from the top altcoins because they always have plans to prepare in any case.

They have been shitcoins already so they have no future, but this long bear market helps the investors to choose the right coins to invest as good coins are still surviving despite of the significant drop in value. If we see a coins with almost no liquidity, then we can conclude that they could be a shitcoin that we should not invest in.

With bitcoin now trading at $8500 it seems like we are now seeing whats next, the BULL RUN.

My opinion is that this is all just part of the crypto cycle. Like a wheel, sometimes you're on the bottom, but sometimes and you're at the top. Wish i could say the same thing about altcoins tho, it seems bitcoin dominance is proving far too much to be overcome.

I agree with you . This market in the future will be very developed and bad projects will soon be excluded from this market because these are pennies with no investment value and will be very risky if purchased. I think the bear market will last another 5 to 7 years because the new growth trend has not yet started and there are still a lot of big risks if altcoin investment is in this period.

In my opinion now is the time to be more patient because a small mistake will cause you a lot of problems and if you choose to invest long-term, you should choose only the top 30 coins available in this market.

Agree to that, it's hard to predict how the market will turned but if you take some time Bitcoin dominance bring an outline from how the market will be heading, after it's success to bounce back and reach again the last time high or better if it's much higher than the last time ATH. Alts with good prospective future development can follow that lead and bring good run as well. Keep researching and don't lose hope, chance to recover will happen and give decent profitable earnings.

I am sorry to say this but Bitcoin ETF bas been denied by SEC.
it seems like we are not going to see the bull run anytime soon but we will see a long winter(another bear market for years is expected), right now Bitcoin is trading at $8500 but a day or 2 days later the price might go lower from this on and we are in the state of struggling. I would love to see the bull, but it does not exist this year at least.

tight your belt, we have nothing to stabilize the price and pump the price up.


https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/42711/bitwises-bitcoin-etf-the-last-hope-has-been-denied

No this is not always the case,,, even people who claim all of these things are not necessarily immune to emotion. Just look for those posters who say they gave up or who sold everything finally or who lost hope. They posted much earlier that they also understood all about cycles and how the market will return.

Problem always is how people feel confident and belief, but have to deal with the emotion later on.

it's really a problem if we are not good in controlling our emotion as it will affect our good judgement and we are likely to make mistakes.
Though its already almost 2 year of bear market but people who are already experienced which means they have witnessed when the market have struggled in the past and when it experience a bull run will never feel affected of what is happening as they are optimistic of the future of crypto.

Do you really think that a bear market will last 5 to 7 years or is that just a typo? We have a bitcoin halving every four years and that could be enough to get us off a bear market, in fact the halving will happen during the next year and many are anticipating an even greater growth during that time frame, it is not a sure thing but the possibilities are high it will happen but what does this means for alts? I am not so sure, since people seems to be very afraid to invest in them.

I also feel, we have been in the bear market for 2 years and for the next year we can only hope for better.
sometimes I miss people rejoicing to see their investment increase by more than 100% in a span of no more than 3 months.
but now it's very difficult to see things like that.

Just now btc bear market got ended and new bull market just got started we can expect btc again touches 15000 dollars by this year end and even cross btc previous all time high

Indeed its a long bearish trend and until now we dont see any signs of bull run especially for alts.

However I think the halving next year will have an impact for the market thus lets just hope it will really happen.

For this year, I dont think there's a bull run that will happen since we're already in the last quarter but the market is unpredictable so who knows.

What's your basis man?
Saying based on your opinion only without basis would not convince people.

BTC is still struggling, remember its ATH was almost $20K but until now it still struggles to go back to $10k range after being dump last month and we don't know what price it could end up this year, it could further fall and we are not in control with that.

It is hard to say that bearish market is over. Even today Bitcoin is just $8000 which is like 60% less than its all time high. For 15000 dollars, I think we have to wait for like 1 year more. For next one year, I think it will remain between $4000 - $13000.

I think things will become a bit better with time. 2 years is a normal time to be in bearish mode. Moreover BTC did came to 10k from 3k So you can't completely say that it is bull market. It did accelerate in between and even now it's quite in the sideways market mode not exactly bear market. Bull market doesn't always means creating new All time highs.

Honestly, altpocalypse has been announced years back, this is not a surprise at all. As soon as the hype had passed, altcoins started to die out. The process is slow, and that is quite a torture for optimists, but they are going away. I can't describe how many experts, analysts, and others have said that only a handful will remain, and it is finally happening. Or, at least, people are finally becoming aware of it.

Great things will come to those who wait, it just proves how dynamic is, it's very unpredictable, people are predicting that we should have been into the $15 k level because of the halving, and a lot of great news coming like UN accepting Cryptocurrency donations, let things take its course we never know another all-time high is waiting to happen.

Yeah market is in netral phase right now, we'll just need to wait the big movement from the whale.
So, doing daytrading to take profits 1-2% is quite nice on this situation

I would not want to conclude that they are shitcoins already, all these coins have their own ways of operating and their own level of recognition, if Ethereum that is the king of all altcoins can be this low too, what do we expect of those other coins with real use case that are following Ethereum behind.

I believe that bear factor is still the one that is making a lot of these coins look like they are shitcoins, some years back, many of us saw bitcoin too as shitcoins, and we never accepted it until the coin we thought was shit started growing fast till it became popular. This is the same way that I believe in the future of those top altcoins in the market, I believe that over time, they will also grow in value when the bear market is eventually over. We just need to keep supporting and encouraging them.

Alt market's catalyst should be the bitcoin's bull run in 2020, it was expected that after the block halvening, bitcoin is going to enjoy a massive growth, and this could have a domino effect on the alt market as we have seen in the 2016-2017 period.

So for those bag holders, you will be tested time and again on how long are you willing to wait here. This is how it works and no one can really stop it from happening, so you need more patience more than ever.

i agree wiat first for the movement of mother of crypto and you will see other coins will follow the trend the only thing we need to do now is wait patiently,

Don't expect to much in crypto market because if it's time to shine again it will happen but for now.? Observing is the best we can do and still make profit even the market is bearish. No one can say what will next happen in crypto market, as you can see others still continue what they get used to and still waiting for bull run.

No hope ahead in my opinion, because the biggest announcements of 2019 have already passed and had absolutely no effect on market prices. Cannot imagine what should happen to push the market forward and bring us back to prices of 2017.

Everyone should be able to better understand that the Trend is changing every year and for 2017 or 2019 And in 2020 there will be different things later. for the price of whether it will be the same in 2017 it cannot be ascertained because every year the trend changes

Don't be too quick to conclude that nothing will trigger the bullrun of altcoin. Just because the market is down now doesn't mean that altcoin season is long gone. Altcoin will soon regain her momentum with investors, let's wait patiently for that

The market is down and we have not seen bull run from past year but there is little pump in the prices of altcoin but thats not significant and if we talk about survival of alts they can survive in long run only of the technology is developed and adoptipn is increased by the investors that can surge the prices but if they can't compete they are dead in that period.We have seen the downfall of alts but coins like XRP,LTC,ETH have potential to rise to level of btc dominamce in the market and we might hit price surges soon in the market by the end of 2019.

And what makes you think that way when we have already seen that during this year a recovery happened and while many altcoins gained value against fiat they still went down when compared against bitcoin, if the current growth in the market could not trigger an altcoin season why do you think that an even greater bull run during 2020 is going to be any different, and even if that is the case many of those that are holding altcoins that are outside the top 10 will never see their coins recovering anyway as investors will choose new projects over old ones.

learned from the pump 2 years ago. because bitcoin pumps after halving. altcoin movements follow bitcoin when it's stable. when bitcoin pumps or dumps. then altoin will dump. but if bitcoin is stable above. then altcoin will pump. waiting for Bitcoin to pump and stabilize, then altcoin pump.

In my opinion, investors are more likely to choose new projects because these are usually projects with a lot of investors and it is easy to raise prices if big news comes out. Now the old coins do not have too much difference in this market and that is the main reason why those coins are forgotten.

I often analyze and research this very carefully every year and I believe that by 2020 we will soon see a great change of this market. Of course it is impossible to predict the next trend but I am sure it will be a good opportunity for you to invest again.

Solid projects still have good chances to rise back, the momentum might not that friendly for now but there's always possibilities that this market will bounce back and start the new bull, we are going to experience another good green season if we are willing to wait for it. Accumulating good projects and keep your distance with exchange while waiting will help you to stay calm, the wait will be filled by success to those who take the risk of investing more.

You are typically on point mate, at least there should be some sign right now as bitcoin Is growing that altcoins will respond to the bull run, the only coins that we can really guarantee will fully respond to the full bull run of bitcoin in that 2020 is still the Ethereum and some few to altcoins in the market because if we study the market carefully ever since bitcoin started rising from April this year, we will notice that it is only coins that are at the top in coinmarketcap that are really responding to bitcoin every time it makes a move either upward or downward.

It means that when the bull run starts, those are still the only coins that will still respond to the price movement of bitcoin then, and even the altcoins season, I think people only trust the top altcoins more now which means only top altcoins will still be the one to grow.

Agree with you, but we see reverse action whenever the price of Bitcoin is increasing/decreasing it is affecting the altcoin prices. I think the price of Bitcoin should become stable then the altcoin season will start increasing and we have experienced this type of situation in the market.

I agree, they will surely comeback once the recovers from bear market. There is a roaming speculation thst bullrun may start by next year after the halving and surely bitcoin will dominate the market again.

As saying says "Patience is a virtue" so we need to wait and accumulate more token/coins also our knowledge.

The explosion of the crypto bubble has left many businesses dead and speculators at a loss.  But holding it for too long and not knowing how to change the strategy according to the market situation is your mistake.  We all know that the crypto market is a manipulative drive, we need to adapt to it.  so I advise you not to hold anymore and look for new strategies to make more profit in bear market.

This market is very risky if you have decided to invest because there is not any coin that can predict the future so if not careful, the loss of money will happen soon. According to the latest statistics, up to 80% of long-term investors are suffering a huge loss in this market and the bear market may continue its downtrend in the near future.

I don't know when the new market will recover well but maybe this will end in mid 2020 because this is the year that will have a lot of big economic changes and will have a direct impact on the crypto .

The sun always comes out after each storm. I'm sure it will be this time too. The price cannot drop to zero, because too many people use Cryptocurrencies and their number is constantly increasing. I am sure that the more people hear about cryptocurrencies and start using them, the more their price will increase. So hodl and belive!

This crisis of the market may go long and even for the another 3 year. But, don't need to be bothered about the Bitcoin and the Ethereum and Ripple. Because the demand for this are still in the very high in the crypto market. Basically the bear market always go long after the super bull market.

After two years of bear market all traders and investors waiting bull market sooner or later. BTC halving may give the momentum what bull market needs. It is important how we build our portfolio before bull market.

I added big amount of BNB for bull market and looking closely to ETH. With ETH 2.0 it can lead the bull market again.LTC also looking as strong coin.

I also invested in small amount of TOMO.

Bull market will come sooner later, just be ready for it.

In the past we have seen bull run in the altcoin market but we cannot assure that will be the same this time around, we have many fork coins of bitcoin and then there is a list coins that have their unique capabilities such as ETH, Dash etc and we might see some movement in those coins but i am not expecting the entire altcoin market to rise in this rally and majority of the ICO projects are dead and only a few still survive this bear market.

I also think that altcoin is probably out of date.  Actually they are very difficult to exist when BTC knows everything.  The altcoins are heavily restrained, unable to rebound.  The market needs a strong change, needs a new trend.

I think that it is not worth waiting for the best times in the near future, it will remain the same, I personally expect changes in the market in the middle of 2020

In the personal analysis that I have made of the market I have come to the same conclusion as you, altcoins that are in the top 20 are more or less responding to the movements of bitcoin when it goes up and when it goes down, but all the altcoins outside of this range are not, and it is fair to ask ourselves why that is the case? And the reason for that is really simple investors have lost confidence in most projects and they are not willing to invest in them, and we could attribute the recovery of bitcoin during this year to that lack of confidence.

People who are aware about the 2013 hype will not feel for it. That time market was reached to certain peak value and after that value goes down and it retains around four years.
Fortunately we have halving effect which corner pass in the coming year so we don't need to worry about the profits and returns.

Halving does not guarantee anything. Of course, the history of the cryptocurrency market says that at the time of halving the price increases, but it does not have to be this time. After such a long period of bear market, the stabilization period before the next bull run can be much longer. However, I hope you are right ;)

In last 2 cycles at Bitcoin halving price was at 1/2 and 1/3 of previous ATH. So for this halving 7 months from now that would meant $7-10k.  Price is already now at that levels, so I dont understand your pessimism and wanting more.

  Febo he is not the only pessimistic person on this forum, they can be seen everywhere. I can`t think of any other reason for their
pessimism except they probably buy bitcoin at the top. There is a one more possibility, some people wish to get rich fast and they
are here just for that reason, they lose patience fast and start talking nonsense`s around.
   We can`t do much about them. I didn`t lose my faith in crypto-currencies, I`m here for permanent! What ever happens!
   

People realize that there is no use case for alts other than speculation. Even ETH, what have all the ICO's accomplished, literally nothing. I don't see one world dominating Crypto and agree there is room for other projects for specific use cases. However right now it's all speculation, ETH hasn't had one killer app, other than bilking investors for money via ridiculous ICO's. People thought projects like Augur would change everything, but it's not even relevant. Once BTC hits $100,000 and enters the realm of sound money and store of value, then we will see other projects emerge successfully.

I am a big fan of the 80/20 rule and i see scale-ability by diversity. more small blockchain rather than one giant blockchain. So Bitcoin dominance may become 80% but it will only be used from 20% of users. Bitcoin could take on the role of lead currency and store of value, then serious Alts might have a future in the long run.

This is not a long period, because in the previous Halving cycle it was also like this, the Bearish market
remained 2 years and continued with a 1 year price correction market. After that all happened, then the moon price happened again.

Their expectations are all too high, especially if they only look at 2017, even though this year is not so bad, the fact is that the price of bitcoin has also increased, but they are still satisfied with what is happening now. everyone's hope is a price increase like 2017 and it won't happen this year believe me

Many people lost their investments during 2 years bear market.

Many coins dropped more than 80% and found new all time lows every week.

At the second year of Bear market people realised that projects without project teams will die.

There are to trust to shit projects anymore. Investors have more knowledge when compared to 2017.

After 2 years bear market, bull market will come sooner or later. By the way all shit coins will not pump. Only strong coins with strong project time will survive and pump as I see.

Agreed, altcoins have been a huge disappointment and not a single one of them is close to become a rival to bitcoin, so most likely during the next years what we are going to see is bitcoin becoming more and more dominant as time goes by, if I remember correctly there was a time in which the bitcoin dominance was above 90% and I do not really see why that scenario could not present itself again when institutional investors come to the market.

Altcoins dragged some investors to invest with. Yes, bitcoin dominance lower than before since most altcoin are striving to enter the scene. I wish I could see again bitcoin dominance around 70 to 90 percent. Cause thr truth is only few altcoins helping the market and still btc is the one that make it go up. I just hope investors see this reason and put all their trust on btc than newer altcoins.

that' s not good if bitcoin dominance aroud 70 or 90 percents.altcoin market will have no more support from investor.bitcoin price will also get negative affect too.normally in my opinion bitcoin dominance only around 45 percents.good altcoin will get support from investor and cryptocurrency market will be balance.

Another 8 months is a very long time and it cannot affect the current market situation. Recently I saw a lot of Bitcoin move up to the big exchannges and there was a transaction of 10k bitcoins. I think they will continue to grow tonight and we should set stoploss to avoid heavy losses. Many bitcoin nomenclature will soon return $ 7k and worse than $ 5k4. Be mentally prepared.

in a short amount of time? what makes you think like that? just a speculation from you or the results of your best analysis? I don't see the best momentum that can make the market move quickly. 8 months seems like the right time to show the market in real recovery. if shortly the pump may occur very briefly and then you will see the market collapse again. I guess you remember what happened to bitcoin in June until July this year.

I like to oppose on that, I've been here before and after the bull run and I like the market when BTC dominance is below 50%.
Also, this market is not only for BTC only, otherwise we will not see it grow, our main purpose why we are investing on btc because we believe on it and we want to see it grow, with altcoins this market will become a better market with different projects that could offer to different needs of the people.

Its true that altcoins are really struggling but if the entire market will again become healthy, a low dominance rate of BTC will result to a more balance market, less manipulation, so less volatility.

Being mentally prepared will save you a lot. It will helps you to keep away stress that will surely triggered if you have good numbers of assets inside your wallet, you need to hold on and think for long term investment instead of trying to short things out and mistakenly place your position. Most experienced traders will continue to chased this cheap coins and keep buying to add with their holdings, believing that market will bounce after this downfall.

i see from other perspective. yes you right altcoin have been low and lower everyday
that's good for us to know what is shit and good altcoin. the shit will die, the good one will survive in this bad market
so yeah it looks like a 'sort' for the next altseason

or , that what exactly happen , i mean , as we see right now , even saint peter wont touch the bloodbath of crypto market.
the only hope for ending this bear is just from that halving of btc.
because i cant see anything aspect to make market raise, baxx still growing , probably 2020 will make affect to crypto market according some analyst , SEC rejected Bitcoin ETF, recently velocity of btc has been slowing,USDT activity has increased above that of BTC, meaning the market is pretty much at the mercy of the stablecoin.
nothing cant help current situation.

i believe market always have a cycle my friend
and of course when the bears end, we can see the bull,
the sign already come, we need a few confirmations anymore to make this green movements as the beginning from the bull market

then what should happen in the future is that cryptocurrency prices can recover and prices in the market can experience price increases like what happened yesterday when bitcoin prices can go back up so that all coins in the exchange can also increase prices.

i also believe that market has cycle, it means bearish and bullish market. we already passed them repeadtly since crypto started
you can see the price history then you will understand, the market always repeats its own history

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It is still unpredictable what is going to happen till the end of 2019. The market is really strange, because everyone expected a raise in September because of Bakkt, TON and Libra, but the raise happened few days ago for no reason at all.

Many people express their opinion that it was precisely because of the statement of the Chinese government that the cryptocurrency market made such a sharp leap in pricing Up.  As Chinese officials have officially stated, they will support the blockchain, and will also work on the creation of their national cryptocurrency.  In any case, every cryptocurrency user knows that the largest number of Bitcoin miners is located in China.  And if China cooperates with the cryptocurrency market, then this will positively affect cryptocurrency all over the world.

That would likely to happen, they are a big county with big influence on their ally country, if they will adopt crypto and blockchain, we can expect that other countries will follow as well. This is a technology of the future, they want to be in the front line of this development so its a good decision by the government that after being against crypto, they are now moving toward the development of blockchain which was invented by bitcoin a crypo asset.

I've been a firm believer that the reason governments aren't too friendly with crypto is because it's hard to keep track of and tax peoples holdings. Now, if China actually does come out with their own currency, I have no doubt that it will be easy to keep track of who owns what along with any other sort of restrictions that government places on it's citizens. Just look at their tax brackets. Anyone making over 80,000 CNY pays upwards of 45% in taxes. They're not going to want to miss out on all of that taxable income.

All the markets behave that way and you should get used to it, when everyone is expecting the price to rise then most likely it will not because as you know the number of those that can make money in the markets is always lower than the number of losers, this means that when the majority is expecting that something will happen that is when you should stop and think that smart investors are not going to invest their money just when everyone expects them to.

I think that in the future the market should turn around and fully exit the bear market and start growing, I hope that as soon as possible the year 2017 will repeat

Firstly, surge in price of the cryptocurrency market won't last but the statement of the Chinese government was not the reason behind the shootup in price of market for the Chinese are yet to recognized Bitcoin and altcoin and the only purpose they recognized Blockchain is because of the benefit of it in creating their national crypto. Meanwhile, the surge in price of the market is logical price momentum which crypto usually experience when halving is a couple of months.

Concern the OP question, crypto market is improving and halving effect is what will trigger the total bullrun market but some altcoin will still die when the bullish market start.

i'd expect for another year of a bear market..
i mean there could be some pumps but not as significant as in 2017
in my opinion the significant moves will come again in 2021 - 2022
our job is to accumulate!

We don't know but to think that we saw a mini pumps that would be a good thing. I am thinking that when bitcoin pumps again and stay above 10k along with some weeks to accumulate there altcoins will have a time to recover as we only need an active market that will lead into a new fresh money flow in cryptocurrency.

2 Years of bear market.. what to expect next? Why, more bear market! Just kidding. The bear markets has gone far too long, there will be a massive recovery soon because you cannot stop an emerging innovative technology as it get better and better every day.

There is a fine line between emerging technology and all the shady coins and tokens in the market, we will see a turn around in the market after the great bear market that stayed for a long time but never expect all the shit coins to rise too when the price rises because that is not going to happen.
Let the market recover and then all the top coins in the market will recover along with it.

I think we’re doing good despite of the negative sentiments happening around, this industry already survive a decade. I think after all this uncertainty and doubts are cleared, positive sentiments will slowly pour and investors will be more confident in dealing an investment that is so violent when it comes to prices.

bear market talks about price, not the technology. yeah i know that technology can trigger the price but you know that many developments effect less in last 2 years

i just see bull possibility in bitcoin only, altcoins is still suck without any good possibility. i even dont know how it would be end

many people predict that bitcoin bull will trigger others coins too, i just hope this would be right. lets see

every investor certainly has the same expectations as you repeat as in 2017 it might be possible because there is not even an investor who can predict with certainty the development of our cryptocurrency can only have confidence and patience in investing it is the best capital at this time and in the situation and conditions like now

it could be that your guess is correct or slightly misses. the possibility of mid-2020 will be a determinant of the fate of bitcoin whether it remains in a bearish condition or leads to bullish. for a while we see the progress until the end of 2019.

But why should you be kidding right;)?

To me,,, just because we have seen 2 years of no bull, does not mean we should not be facing another 2 more years or more,,, besides this year cannot really be seen as a bear market when in March Bitcoin was just a bit above 3000. If this is a bear, we should not be seeing more profit hmm?

I personally believe that in the middle of 2020, the price of Bitcoin will be in Bullish market conditions, now we can see the signs that Crypto market conditions will enter into a Bullish condition where in the last few days the price of Bitcoin shows a significant increase.

What kind of sign did you see?

I think the market still struggles despite bitcoin pump high recently, until altcoins will look bullish, that's the only time I will believe that the market is already bullish. When BTC move sideways, it will be hard for altcoins to move as they usually fully, more if BTC dump, they will also dump more.

Personally, I will not anymore predict when exactly a bull run will come as it could happen anytime.

Even now we're seeing quite a very good move in bitcoin price. In 2020 we might see another breakthrough in bitcoin price for the past year

Indeed, that markets kinda hard to recover to its glory time. But bit by bit we've seen an improvement. Atleast better than last year, 2020 may be a great year.

We'll know which year it will be, eventually. Hopefully it won't be long before it gets there.

We are experiencing exactly what we need for a solid long-term future. Since the market bottom we have had a slower steadier rise with periods of consolidation. The problem with 2017 was we never stopped for a breather, the rise was too dramatic and so the fall was dramatic too.

There's reason for optimism in the way the markets have moved this year. It's not a cause for concern at all.

I'm wishing that it could be a positive time to see that bitcoin will show its dominance once again and will turn into a bullish market. Those timeframes that both have given are considerable and good to hope with.

Mid-2020-2022 isn't really that long to wait and see what will be the price of bitcoin. But there's one sure thing that can happy within the range, there will be more people using, buying and selling bitcoin meaning, that there's a continuous adoption.

adoption is now in Bitcoin, now the dominance of Bitcoin is at 67.4%, and this makes altcoin a drastic decline, so who will survive I am sure he will win,
be patient 2 this year altcoin and bitcoin are experiencing bear season, but bitcoin is now entering the bull season, so we wait for altcoin

It should turn around, but while we are still globally still in a downtrend, bitcoin should gain a foothold above 11k in order for full-fledged growth to begin.

No one can fully guess where it should it should hold before it will begin to grow.
Remember that this year, we reach almost $13,000 but the growth did not pursue, instead a massive downtrend has happened and that brought us to where we are now. Maybe its best if we just relax and wait until the right time will come, in fact, if we are true believer, we are willing to hold, right?

I expect that there will be  good thing that will happen in the world.of crypto, 2 years of bear market could also lead to 2 years of bull market. There is always a light after the darkness.

If you are expecting a bull market for the next two years then good luck with that and if that happens the price would cross record valuation and everyone who are holding the coins will be millionaires  :P. The bull market will be happening but it will not last an entire year let alone a couple of years  :P. If you are holding the top altcoins in the market then you might get the profit you are waiting for and it all depends upon the bitcoin market.

I'm of the same opinion as you. The bear market has lasted more than I originally anticipated. But my market bias at the moment is bullish. you might wonder why. I think the upcoming Bitcoin halving and ETH 2.0 upgrade would spearhead the next bull run and I have a feeling it'll be even more better than the 2017 November run.

Recently, the market has been showing signs of recovery, so far the market is still in place and shows neither growth nor decline, I hope that soon the market will start showing bullish mood

Well a bull run might not happen until a couple of months after the halving next year, which is what happened last time. Though i highly doubt that the next bull run will be sustained for the same time as the recent bear season. A sharp spike in value eill always see a sudden correction. And i also don't see the current market condition as part of the bearish season anymore. Just looking at BTC, we've recovered quite well this year.

The recovery is not going to happen just because it has to happen, there must be a reason why investors are going to put their money into speculative coins and while many consider the profits that you can get out of those projects to be enough reason that is not true, the risks that you take when you invest in those kind of coins is enormous, you are basically gambling with your money and if that is what you want to do then it is better to go to a casino because at least you will get some fun there.

There are a improvements of alts but we dont know yet on when, And ill think no one knows about the alts be going bull run. So we always gonna do is being make a prediction about altcoins and wait on when they are gonna be active the price of altcoins increase. And as of now we need to find a way or buy some altcoins but we make sure the altcoins that we buy is have a future if the time of altcoins be going increase the price.

one thing is for sure . the one that can trigger a bull run is us people .  if we all buy btc and altcoins all together , we can pump them all but that seem to hard to do  . not all have a fund to do that but most of us here are only waiting for a bull run so that we can sold our coins  .  our only hope for now is the whales if will they ever pump the price again .  also other institutions can help  . and what is the relation of the halving if the coins were dump ? will they die if that happen ? no i dont think so  .

then there will be a big pump, and halving bitcoin which will be one of the triggers. 2 years may not be a short time, but I still faithfully wait until the moment of reversal actually occurs. and a big opportunity for that is in the next year when halving bitcoin happens.

how about you, do you agree?

certain moment pump is due to halving bitcoin? history might be the same but we must be realistic in all circumstances including value on market and some time ahead that might have happened ,I hope what you say is true because we all need it

no one can know and predict with certainty the development of cryptocurrency because it has become the nature and risk that will be obtained in investing in general the expectations of investors are the rapid development of the investments they participate in and under conditions like these beliefs and patience are the best capital for investing in crypto currencies

That's coming halving is the one we are hyping now, hopefully we will not be disappointed.
Any news can trigger if the whales will also work on it, remember that this market is not dead, it just struggle, and the pump last month is a testament that they are just around the corner ready to pump this market again, don't get too affected by people thinking crypto will not survive because it will surely will.


I can survive for 5 to 10 years,  so 2 years is too short in this kind of investment.
For me, I enjoyed the last bull run and til now I'm still up in overall, so I am satisfied for that and patiently I will wait for the next run.

Actually for this year the cryptocurrency market has experienced a 3X increase from its lowest point last year. and in my opinion right now if we want to wait for the same thing to increase in 2017 at least we have to be patient again because this year it seems like the increase won't happen. 2020 will be a great hope for the rise of the crypto market

many updates from bitcoin and ethereum will also occur next year. that is a clear hope for an increase in the crypto market. not to mention about libra and several projects released officially by several countries. I hope there is a good market sentiment to be able to make the maximum pump later in the market. 2020 new hope for the crypto market. Hopefully, there will be no more jokes at the beginning of the year.

It's so meaningless to just hope for good years to repeat and then just leave it at that. And if you look at this year so far, it has actually already repeated 2017, just in a smaller scale.

I mean just last week we had the biggest daily growth for Bitcoin since 2011. What's that if not bull, right?

But yes, globally, we have to see the truth and that's that we are all headed for a downtrend. That may or may not affect Bitcoin.

This year is still have 2 more months and anything can happen in crypto.
In 2017 bitcoin just need 2 months from 6k price to it's all time high. So i think we have to optimistic to every price chart condition because crypto is sometimes upredictable.
Buying bitcoin with current price is not bad i think, but don't forget to set a stop loss

What you are describing is not really a bull run but a pump and dump scheme and while such an action will make the price of bitcoin or any altcoin to go temporary up the price will crash sooner than later because the demand was artificial, a bull run is caused by real demand and that can only be generated by people actually using bitcoin and for that we need bitcoin to be many times faster than it is now since no one wants to wait for 10 minutes or more just to pay for something.

whether it was enough or not unfortunately doesn't matter. just as little as we can influence it if you are honest.
currently characterized by the long bloodbath it is really difficult to get people excited about crypto or blockchain.
all have bad headlines in their heads and panic directly when the conversation comes to the topic. :D

I don't think it's that bad. Since the beginning of 2019, Bitcoin price has risen by about 40%, so it's not so bad as for 10 months ;) It would be an excellent result for any other currency. I think that investors are regaining confidence in cryptocurrencies and soon fresh money will come. For sure some alts will not recover, but those with good dev team should have opportunity to rise up.

in 2017 bitcoin could reach ATH bcz of many process before, such as many good news, good sentiment, better regulation, etc
that's why the price can go up real quick. bcz there are trigger price to do
if we compare with this year, it is so different, i dont see huge trigger to increase its price. so it seems impossible

We have better regulations than in 2017 and the mainstream knows much more about cryptocurrencies than they did then. I agree that there is not many good news and sentiments are difficult to recognize, but it was a very long bear market and we all see that we have a period of stability. Hunger is rising... People want to see increases, and if the market wants it, it will happen. The rocket will launch soon ;)

Well there's only 3 possible scenario
- More Bear market
- Reverse into bull market
- Sideway Market

But judging from how the market move now, we are currently transiting from minor bull into consolidate, another break out above $14,000 on btc would conclude a bull trend back for btc (Not the whole market)

Up until this moment, recovery still is blurry. Indeed there are expectations and assumptions that there will be a price increase before this year end but the problem still is lack of appearance. I would agree with the thing regarding the death of some altcoins if there will be no miracle to happen. New crypros are having market value close to zero upon being released on exchanges. But the only option we have is to be patient no matter how frustrating the situation is.

I think that Bitcoin will start growing soon, but because of the big dominance, alts will also be on the bottom and will not be able to grow much

There's a big competition in the market and bitcoin and altcoins are really competing and as long as BTC holds the most dominant volume in the market, it will always dictate the market. its' still now dropping below 50%, current dominate rate is 66% so there is no room for altcoins to grow at its dip price now.
We need to see an altcoins run or altcoins season in order to see some improvement, until that time comes,  investing in altcoins is very risky.