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I took the image and cropped it but was busy multi-tasking. somewhere along the line I lost the place/page and user that was showing the signature. I am trying to go through my browser history trying to find which user it was because maybe they were just testing it before rolling it out. I say that because I saw it just once which was several hours ago and now I just cannot find it.

Does anybody know anything about it?

I don't know nothing about it, but this user is wearing this sig: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62358

I cannot say for sure if it was an authorised signature by Wasabi or not but what is going on? First it was Unnamed Exchange that copied the Yobit banner of all banners and now this....

Does anybody know anything about it?

Thank you for the reply YOSHIE but sorry you misunderstood.

I cannot say for sure if it was an authorised signature by Wasabi or not but what is going on? First it was Unnamed Exchange that copied the Yobit banner of all banners and now this....

maybe you can find it here:
For some information about Wahabi wallet.

Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Making Bitcoin Transactions Untraceable (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037094.0)

Topic: Wasabi Wallet 1.0 Is Released (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5064006.0)

Topic: Enhanced privacy with Wasabi & Samourai wallets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184238.0)

Topic: Wasabi Wallet for ETH? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203754.0)

Topic: [2019-12-26] Binance Blockade of Wasabi Wallet Could Point to a Crypto Crack-Up (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212738.0)

Topic: Wasabi Wallet - Making Bitcoin Transactions Untraceable (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037094.20)

This is just information.

Only him? Nobody else?

I don't know nothing about it, but this user is wearing this sig: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62358

I was not asking about Wasabi, I read up on them and have no interest in what they say can deliver.

It's the only user I saw with, but there might be more.

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available, so I guess everybody is free to use or modify them. I always thought, that this could lead to issues, not sure what this Wasabi one is about though.

If it is only Gyrsur, I suggest that you contact him and get this remedied. I have sent him a PM.

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available

Afaik these signatures are not copy-righted and publicly available, so I guess everybody is free to use or modify them. I always thought, that this could lead to issues, not sure what this Wasabi one is about though.

He has been on and off trolling the ChipMixer signature campaign thread for a very long time, I'm not even sure if it was because he's rejected from the campaign or something else.

Almost everything is copyrighted, but the thing that gets you banned would be for plagiarism.

Campaigns usually pay for designing their signature. Using the design freely is kind of cheating. Only participants of the campaign should be are allowed to use the design.

It is not what they say they can, they have delivered! Wasabi is an amazing wallet, which provides decentralized permission-less mixing - think of it as the next level of your classic mixers. This is probably why the user, on their own, did this. They want to promote this amazing wallet - because actually amazing wallets do not have marketing budgets like all the multi-coin garbage like Coinomi or Enjin.

It is not what they say they can, they have delivered! Wasabi is an amazing wallet, which provides decentralized permission-less mixing - think of it as the next level of your classic mixers. This is probably why the user, on their own, did this. They want to promote this amazing wallet - because actually amazing wallets do not have marketing budgets like all the multi-coin garbage like Coinomi or Enjin.

But it is obviously a clickbait. Using someone's else design to promote similarly service is conscious deception. The low marketing budget is not enough justification.

I guess the user needs to explain himself as using the Chipmixer (or any) signature without permission does not look good.

Bitcoin kullanırken fonlarının anonim yani gizli kalmasını isteyen insanlar mixer servislerini kullanırlar. Gizli kalmak bir tercih meselesidir. Bitcoinde bir alım yaptığınızda alım yaptığınız taraf sizin kim olduğunuzu da biliyorsa istediği gibi sizin işlemlerinizi takip edebilir. Mixer servisleri bu takibi ortadan kaldırmak için vardır. Sizden btc'yi alır parçalara ayırır, size başka adreslerden gönderim yapar. %100 elbette gizlilik mümkün olmasa da %99 sağlanabilmektedir.

Aşağıda çok kullanılan mixer sitelerini, linklerini, forum duyurularını ve komisyon oranlarını liste olarak bulabilirsiniz. Ayrıca bazı bilinen, güvenilmez, dolandırıcı mixer sitelerinin listesini de aşağıda bulabilirsiniz.

Wahabi wallet

AFAIK I never saw anyone complain about the profile owner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=399366) plagiarizing or copying chipmixer's signature design despite being around for a while now or is the wasabi issue a special case?

How about this?
https://i.imgur.com/LBajyMB.png

AFAIK I never saw anyone complain about the profile owner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=399366) plagiarizing or copying chipmixer's signature design despite being around for a while now or is the wasabi issue a special case?

It was discussed in the campaign thread.

How about this?
https://i.imgur.com/LBajyMB.png

AFAIK I never saw anyone complain about the profile owner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=399366) plagiarizing or copying chipmixer's signature design despite being around for a while now or is the wasabi issue a special case?

I think this should not be allowed either because it is plagiarism, the intended use is irrelevant.

This.

What made you change your mind?

What do you think?

an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

If it's plagiarism, it's up to the Mods to deal with. I don't even know if Global Mods can do that, or only Admins.

As for the parody:
I guess I just don't see the comical value for Vadi2323 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=399366)'s signature on a Bitcoin forum where many users value their privacy.

But it is obviously a clickbait. Using someone's else design to promote similarly service is conscious deception. The low marketing budget is not enough justification.

It is funny to see people are doing stuff like this.
My question is are any of this specific signatures copyright protected or not?

While i agree there's ethical problem, IMO it's problem between ChipMixer and the user who wear copycat signature, all we need to do is let ChipMixer representative know about this problem.

While i doubt it's profitable, there's 0.003% coordinator fee.

No. That is post plagiarism. Signature design plagiarism is theft that has been dealt with the trust system.

While i doubt it's profitable, there's 0.003% coordinator fee.

Forum rules apply to signatures as well. We shouldn't use the trust system for either kind of plagiarism unless the staff explicitly refuse to take action and there is an actual risk involved, e.g. the user is promoting a scam.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/emq3hv/ama_im_nopara73_i_wrote_65_of_the_code_of_wasabi/
https://i.snipboard.io/9HhFqY.jpg

While i agree there's ethical problem, IMO it's problem between ChipMixer and the user who wear copycat signature, all we need to do is let ChipMixer representative know about this problem.


While i doubt it's profitable, there's 0.003% coordinator fee.

According to Chainalysis, Wasabi mixed $250,000,000 in 2019*. That means $750,000 has been paid in coordinator fees, which seems pretty profitably to me ;D.
*source: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/chainalysis-most-mixed-bitcoin-not-used-for-illicit-purposes

Regarding the OP, I don't really see the issue as long as it is an individual using the signature (in a non-campaign way). It would've been honorable if the user PMed the signature designer first, but you can't prevent people from using the BB code. Campaigns could add a disclaimer in the OP but there would still be no way to enforce it.

According to Chainalysis, Wasabi mixed $250,000,000 in 2019*. That means $750,000 has been paid in coordinator fees, which seems pretty profitably to me ;D.

$250 million times 0.003% is $7500. OTOH the 0.003% fee is per anonymity set and Wasabi uses 50+ sets by default, so it's a 0.15% minimum total fee, usually higher. $400-500k would be a more reasonable estimate, but that's just the revenue. There are costs/expenses for sure.

At any rate, I'd say nopara73 claiming that he makes money is good enough to assume there is profit, and I'm sure he could pay for a signature if he wanted to, and I'm quite sure he's not paying for Gyrsur's copypasta signature.

Didn't we do this a few weeks ago?  Can't recall - was it YoBit?  Who is the signature campaign manager that is doing this?  Surely the designer of the actual signature code should be made aware that their design has been modified without authorisation.  At any rate, many thanks for making this plagiarism known.

I guess I just don't see the comical value for Vadi2323 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=399366)'s signature on a Bitcoin forum where many users value their privacy.

Translation: Some theft is okay, some other theft is not okay.

P.P.S: Yes, maybe it's unethical to take someones signature design, but it will be more worse to create here patent and copyright trolls (like in real world)

The signature (which IIRC roslinpl made back in 2017) has been in use for over 2 years now. I think it is extremely clear that the intention of the signature was not to encourage people to copy it (?) and then attempt seek damages.

Personally I think this case is a lot more clear cut than Vadi2323 - you can't make the claim that stealing a signature design to promote a different service is parody.

-Is there  any real damage to forum?
Of course not. It very different from text plagiarism. With plagiarism of posts, forum become more polluted with spam and repetitive quotes. There become harder to find anything useful and even to stay on forum (it's cringe to see one sentences many times).

Plagiarism is against rules because it's kind of theft, not because of spamming.

Stealing signature design is kind of plagiarism and kind of theft. 

The user Gyrsur has not signed in since yesterday so is probably unaware of what is going on so we look forward to him posting here after he read the PM (sent by Lauda) and this thread.

who are you  ???

This is all I have got.

What a totally inept reply from someone who you informed about the goings-on. He should have at the very least have been courteous enough to reply with an explanation.

Does it matter? Concerned neighborhood cat.. please respond in the thread when you can.

This is all I have got.

Concerned neighborhood cat

better now?  ::)

better?

Sigh. It is advisable to seek some counseling as you seem to certain aspects of maturity. I wish you the best.  :)

now it's almost perfect I think.  8)

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Positive counter feedbacks aren't a correct use of the trust system

If other DT members disagreed with BAC's rating, they could easily send mprep positive feedback to counter the rating.

Unfair negative tags are discussed in reputation and sometimes removed, sometimes are countered by an opposite tag or increased by a supporting tag.

I will always counter which I think is wrong -ve feedback, especially if it is wrong retaliatory feedback.

Theymos has said it's OK to do that if you strongly disagree with the left feedback.

The signature (which IIRC roslinpl made back in 2017) has been in use for over 2 years now. I think it is extremely clear that the intention of the signature was not to encourage people to copy it (?) and then attempt seek damages.

Personally I think this case is a lot more clear cut than Vadi2323 - you can't make the claim that stealing a signature design to promote a different service is parody.

I just came across this issue recently after wondering why Gyrsur had -2 trust.

This is not an acceptable use of the trust system and I will be leaving him a counter-feedback until his negatives are removed.

- While trollish, his actions don't imply that he would be untrustworthy when it comes to conducting any sort of business on the forum.

- He's not wearing the signature anymore.

He's been here since 2012 and doesn't deserve to have his forum reputation tarnished in this manner.

I've never heard anyone say that before. What is your rationalization for that statement?

And I can't find the theymos quote for it but:

My rationalization is that the negative was incorrect in the first place, so I am simply attempting to undo that. I don't engage in this practice often but this time I think it is warranted.

Ultimately my post here is more of a request that DarkStar_ and JollyGood consider re-evaluating their negative trust on Gyrsur. I'd rather attempt to resolve the issue this way rather than excluding them from my trust network as they of course contribute more good than bad overall. I'm also open to hearing arguments as to why the negative feedback should remain. As things stand, I just can't see how it relates to trustworthiness of trade activity on the forum.

Now with him deleting his posts from this or other threads where he seemed far from apologetic and enjoyed the attention being showered upon him

I've also checked LoyceV's trust guide, which I'm aware is a mere guideline, but a pretty good one; and the counter feedbacks are not considered in neither positive or negative use cases, so it's safe to assume they'd fall into the "Other" category, and thus neutral tag.

Let's see: https://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5229417.html

EDIT:
EDIT2:

None of this has anything to do with the negative feedback you received. Bitcointalk has never supported plagiarism.

how about the support of inner circles and shady cartels? will you also comment on this so quick as you did before?  ;)

"an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"   :P

https://i.imgur.com/Sr7r5RO.png

how about the support of inner circles and shady cartels? will you also comment on this so quick as you did before?  ;)

This seems off-topic (and in need of evidence) to me, so no, I won't comment on it here. But I think you missed my point: if you want to argue against negative feedback, at least use the right arguments.
It could be as simple as: "I've removed the fake signature, please consider removing the negative feedback".

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I like seeing my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0) in your signature :)

Well he certainly has been leaving some very strange feedback. I

Trust list for: Gyrsur (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62358) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=62358)  +1 / =0 / -2) (315 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/62358.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/62358.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Gyrsur)) (created 2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h)
Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/)

Gyrsur's judgement is Trusted by:
1. willi9974 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=216582) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=216582)  +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 188 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/216582.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/216582.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=willi9974))
2. o_solo_miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=395806) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=395806)  +2 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/395806.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/395806.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=o_solo_miner))
3. psycodad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=430390) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=430390)  +1 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/430390.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/430390.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=psycodad))

~Gyrsur's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Removed owlcatz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=313016) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016)  +50 / =0 / -1) (419 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/313016.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/313016.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=owlcatz))
1. DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936)  +53 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1476 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/507936.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DarkStar_))
2. sabotag3x (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=846936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=846936)  +1 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/846936.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/846936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=sabotag3x))
3. JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)  +9 / =0 / -1) (798 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1016855.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h/1016855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JollyGood))

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0).
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/).

~Gyrsur

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Now I have to leave him neutral (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0) feedback for Trust abuse:
https://loyce.club/other/Gyrsur.gif

He's not in my Trust network, but it turns out willi9974 put Gyrsur on DT2:
I'll also exclude him from my Trust list, and I recommend others to do the same:
Maybe I should wait a bit, he's still on a negative feedback spree. He'll earn way more exclusions if he leaves fake negative feedback while on DT2.

@Gyrsur: if you want to tag all ChipMixer signature campaign participants, let me help you (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P52DifaD7YfvzLkX3wrxGVpKcaPHY4y57ZpI-FK754/edit#gid=2073945584):

but remember you started the shooting!

Don't worry about it, I'm shooting with blanks, following my Beginners Guide (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0) (from your signature) so that negative feedback doesn't lose it's meaning. And that's why my feedback means something (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview), while you'll be at DT2 Strength (-10) or lower if you keep abusing the Trust system. Have it your way.

where are the official guidelines?

LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

See:

wow, thank you! we're coming back to the source of all trouble.

If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge O0

If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge O0

EDIT2: and second: give me a prove that the other service is fully trustworthy and not a government honeypot for later usage. I know this might not possible until to reveal the identity of the owner or operator of the service which will be dangerous for them. so again you have to trust them in any case and the deep pockets of them are for me a red light of attention. but everyone should decide for themselves. time will tell probably.

If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge O0

I don't know what kind of offended person tried to shit on my trust, but I immediately react to this with negative feedback for trust abusing and distrust. Another shitty stories about "shady business or government honey pot". Learn to think first, then do. Good luck.

I just came across this issue recently after wondering why Gyrsur had -2 trust.

This is not an acceptable use of the trust system and I will be leaving him a counter-feedback until his negatives are removed.

- While trollish, his actions don't imply that he would be untrustworthy when it comes to conducting any sort of business on the forum.

- He's not wearing the signature anymore.

He's been here since 2012 and doesn't deserve to have his forum reputation tarnished in this manner.

If we look at precedent, other users have been (justifiably) given negative trust for stealing signature designs. Examples include Alttradex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2367257.0), biy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439792.0), Crypto_Qv9 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2931423.0) and Untold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2261585.msg22919129#msg22919129). I don't think I'm in the wrong in considering someone who steals signature designs to be untrustworthy. I agree that trolling is not a valid reason to leave a negative trust feedback so I've reworded the trust rating.

Was that before or after the changes made to the trust system? I'm not on my computer and can't search for the date, but I consider that to be quite relevant, since there used to be no posibility of leaving neutrals.

you see? switched on the God mode again and did follow own rules over common accepted rules.

non-trade issues results in neutral Trust feedback
trade issues results in negative Trust feedback

I don't think I'm in the wrong

I am very open to reconsidering my trust feedback. At the current moment, my belief is that it is correct.

None of this has anything to do with the negative feedback you received. Bitcointalk has never supported plagiarism.

If we look at precedent, other users have been (justifiably) given negative trust for stealing signature designs. Examples include Alttradex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2367257.0), biy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439792.0), Crypto_Qv9 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2931423.0) and Untold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2261585.msg22919129#msg22919129). I don't think I'm in the wrong in considering someone who steals signature designs to be untrustworthy. I agree that trolling is not a valid reason to leave a negative trust feedback so I've reworded the trust rating.

Lets go through these 1 by 1.

Alttradex - this guy stole a signature to promote his ICO; his intention was to profit directly from use of the signature. AFAIK, Gyrsur is not an employee of zkSNACKs Ltd., the company that performs the CoinJoins using Wasabi Wallet. He had no intention of profiting off somebody else's work. Nor did he use the signature for the purposes of a campaign.

biy - same thing, copied w/o permission in order to promote their own project

Crypto_Qv9 - same thing

Untold - this guy doesn't have any negative feedback. He has a neutral from yahoo that reads

Basically, I can see how what Gyrsur did was annoying, but he had no intentions of acquiring a profit from his actions, and once reprimanded, he removed his signature (even if only after putting up a fight). I don't see how this equates to trade risk.

Is that really plagiarism tho? No, its not.

Regardless, you know full well that plagiarism isn't a reasonable excuse to leave red trust. There's a much better case to be made for "theft."

@csmiami: thanks for your expanded explanation
@JollyGood: thanks for removing the red trust on Gyrsur


Is that really plagiarism tho? No, its not. If it was, why shouldn't accounts that do this be banned from the forum?

"the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own."

You are wearing a ChipMixer signature -- does that mean you are attempting to pass the "work" off as your own? You are wearing it with permission from ChipMixer, I understand, but how does that make it not plagiarism? At least Gyrsur attempted to put his signature through a text spinner, lol.

Regardless, you know full well that plagiarism isn't a reasonable excuse to leave red trust. There's a much better case to be made for "theft."


Lets go through these 1 by 1.

Alttradex - this guy stole a signature to promote his ICO; his intention was to profit directly from use of the signature. AFAIK, Gyrsur is not an employee of zkSNACKs Ltd., the company that performs the CoinJoins using Wasabi Wallet. He had no intention of profiting off somebody else's work. Nor did he use the signature for the purposes of a campaign.

biy - same thing, copied w/o permission in order to promote their own project

Crypto_Qv9 - same thing

Untold - this guy doesn't have any negative feedback. He has a neutral from yahoo that reads

Basically, I can see how what Gyrsur did was annoying, but he had no intentions of acquiring a profit from his actions, and once reprimanded, he removed his signature (even if only after putting up a fight). I don't see how this equates to trade risk.

As far as Gyrsur's actions in the last 12 hours are concerned, its apparent that he isn't DT material, which I don't think he minds so much as he doesn't have a custom trust list, and that situation has corrected itself (https://bpip.org/TrustLog). It's ultimately up to Gyrsur to be amenable enough to encourage DarkStar_ to "let bygones be bygones," but unfortunately things didn't transpire that way... Oh well, I tried.

Thanks JollyGood and DarkStar for chiming in.

I personally dislike the idea of "you can freely take any designs, edit them and use them as long as you don't intend on profiting from them without being seen as untrustworthy", but I can see your point here. IIRC Gyrsur did keep the signature for a decent amount of time before removing it, though I could be wrong. I've removed my negative trust feedback.

thank you Nutildah, for working this out.

I recived the negative trust from JollyGood and DarkStar_ not right from the beginning but later if I joined the DT2 list.

I guess the aim was to damage me but I don't care about it because I have no financial interest anymore here on this place.

By the whole discussion I'm more and more aware of how to make politics and follow own financial interest by the different tools of Bitcointalk in these days like the Trust system.

Take a look at the post history of some participants of this discussion and you will become quickly aware what for intentions they have had to join this place.

I'd say case (almost) closed, other than the few remaining negatives left by Gyrsur.

I personally dislike the idea of "you can freely take any designs, edit them and use them as long as you don't intend on profiting from them without being seen as untrustworthy", but I can see your point here. IIRC Gyrsur did keep the signature for a decent amount of time before removing it, though I could be wrong. I've removed my negative trust feedback.

I laughed at his comeback aimed at me but just exactly how can he tell LoyceV to "Get a life because others have the money and he did the whole work"?

... And he moved the shady business or government honeypot line too....  ::)

I laughed at his comeback aimed at me but just exactly how can he tell LoyceV to "Get a life because others have the money and he did the whole work"?

You are a seriously deluded individual who should seek psychiatric help otherwise your condition will be so extreme that you may not have the chance to be treated back to normality either through medication or through rehabilitation.

Nobody cares about damaging you financially, you hold no significance in the eyes of many users here. You claiming there is a conspiracy against you is laughable but you deleting your posts as well as your unwarranted negative trusts trying to hide your sarcasm and disdain for the members of the forum is supposed to be what... competence?