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Wow! What a bargain governments are getting for the billions they are spending on vaccine research. Given that a lot of reputable scientists believe that we already have over 60% of the population with immunity, that is a negative result. Will you be one of the people who lose immunity through the vaccine? They don't even talk about the side effects either.. Then there is the massive amount of collateral damage from the lockdowns, the maskerades (sic), the job losses, and all the other problems the bankers have created.

The only good news is that it may have exposed the whole vaccination eugenics programme, and maybe we can leave vaccines alone in the future. That way we can see a reduction in the autistic kids, the allergies, and  :(the cripples that vaccines create.

If its not nature given/inspired it's a no, the fear is not the vaccine alone, what of the black market wanting to have a go on this, adulterating and giving fakes in disguise of the vaccine, when the/a vaccine is out.
Realistically I better rely on my immune, the health workers and key workers has been brave, strong and courageous giving health services to those in need many are recovering, the government needs to be more focused in increasing salaries, benefits to this guys at this point, palliatives also.

Yabut. If the Black Market hooks up to the Mexican cartels, their ease of operations will improve, and the vaccine might jump to well over 100% efficacy, lol. But seriously, BLM already is the Black Market.

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Curious on where you got the stat regarding Fauci saying that the vaccine will only be 50% effective? I've seen a few reports and interviews of him coming out and saying that Americans should tamper expectations as to the effectiveness of the vaccine, as it may not be as amazing as everyone is saying.

He's someone who is going to err on the side of caution because a lot of people are sitting around just praying that a vaccine will solve everything, when it really wont right off the bat. Even if it is 100% effective, 40% of Americans have said that they (understandably) wont use it immediatetly.

BULL crap
reputable scientists take the most infected neighbourhoods and then test those that are willing to be tested and get the 60% figure for that neighbourhood. and 56% for another high contagious area . and then get another of only 13%
and then from area's outside the epicenter states the number is far far far far low
and they say as such

but then idiots take a 60% number and stupidly think it applies to everywhere

in short
if an idiot has had sex with 2 of the 3 of the only women he knows (66% success rate)
does not mean that he has had sex with 66% of all women
just 66% of a small limited group of woman in a small neighbourhood of known high sluttynesss

nor does that figure suggest that all men can have a 66% success rate with women
nor does it suggest that 66% of women are sluts

..
but as always jetcash says a number but cant back it up
im still waiting for jetcash to show the uptodate proof of his suggested 'number 36 on the severity list' that he has mentioned a few times in different topics

Jet Cash please give quotes or sources when making bold claims like 60% have immunity, I think most scientists are still figuring things out and shouldn't be too sure of themselves.

No, I'm not going to voluntarily get the vaccine, no matter what the supposed percentage is, it's another thing to be legally forced.

Considering that most doctors don't get the flu vaccine (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-42634781): "Prof Heneghan, who is also an out-of-hours GP, told BBC Scotland there was little good evidence on the benefits of giving the vaccination to healthy individuals in the NHS." I don't think the Covid-19 one is going to be different.

Spanish flu and other pandemics were eradicated due to group immunity and the natural genetic mutation of the virus. I believe the vaccine can do more harm than good, especially because there are economic interests behind it.

Just for the record here, when I was saying that most people aren't going to get it when it first comes out -- I totally understand and agree with doing that sort of thing.

While yes, the vaccine has had to go through FDA testing to get to us, I don't think anyone would feel too safe as there is not enough large data points to tell us that things are going to be okay. Plus who the hell knows how the vaccine is going to effect you as an individual. So yeah, even if a vaccine is out -- it's going to take a few months for a majority of people to feel comfortable getting it.

From personal observation, I reckon that 80% of the UK has immunity. and one of the papers this morning puts it as high as 90% ( outside care homes ). It's hard to find sensible information, as the money Pharmers seem to suppress and distort everything. There is also considerable blocking of content as a result of legal threats. Just try to find information about the $500 million compensation fund that PayPal had to set up because it was misusing clients funds. That was all over the net for a week or two, and then it vanished, just as PayPal relocated outside the US.

I don't trust vaccines. Firstly, they contain toxic substances (formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, etc.), and secondly, I do not trust my health and the health of my family to corporations and large industries, for which only money is important.

@Poker Player you’re not the only one who’s going to be skipping these vaccines, as even the world number one tennis player has said that he’s not keen to take these vaccines. @squatz1 yea the FDA will definitely be checking these, but this time it’ll be produced and approved within months and that’s the scary part for me, hence I’m definitely skipping these vaccines, and would advise you’ll do the same too unless it’s a medical emergency.


Sources:

https://www.insider.com/novak-djokovic-says-hes-anti-vaccines-wont-get-coronavirus-vaccine-2020-4

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/vaccine-development-barriers-coronavirus/

I don't trust governments, but I trust vaccines... Having intimate knowledge of the subject really helps you tone down all the background noise... Vaccines help.

Flu vaccines are 50% effective too. No big deal.

I trust vaccines, I don't trust people and I surely don't really trust Fauci.

I am kinda neutral about this vaccine. I'll probably skip it. I'll let other people try it first. :d cuz I'm such a gentleman.

the corona vaccine is the most eagerly awaited around the world today...
I'm not sure with the vaccine they admit. Since last March many countries have said they have invented vaccines and such but there is no evidence until now. 50% effective is not a good chance, I'm afraid in the future if the corona vaccine that they admit has been found to spread it will affect our genetics.

BULLCRAP
no paper is estimating 90%
all studies of actual antibody tests (not myth stories) are saying estimates of 2%-10% in the UK depending on hotspot area

even general math case numbers even if you multiply it by 10 per 'case confirmed' still does not have an above 10% math figure
heck even if you say for every 1 person sick there are 99 infected and not sick is still no were near 90%

if there is 310k confirmed cases and we say only 10% of people infected get tested. then thats 3.1mill infected with a 90% assymptomatic/untested rate of the 310k

3m out of 65m is only 5%
still much better then the case test amount of 310k which is 0.5% infected
but assuming 59mill(90%) people have had it is pure myth with no foundation or even any ethical math to back it up

as for the topic.
it seems jetcash translates
'FDA wont even consider a vaccine as worthy if its under 50% effective'
to be
'FDA is releasing a vaccine thats only 50% effective'

sorry but no
there are many vaccines in progress and they are not just gonna buy the one that only reaches the minimum and stick with that one. they have yet to even know how effective any vaccine is but wont even consider any below 50% and so when vaccines are released they will pick the best one

they say "our first one wont be our best and we are aiming for above 75% effectiveness"
but in short any that result in say 49% wont even be considered for further funding to refine it and work out the 'glitches' to get it to a higher number

this is why medical experts are saying 12-18 months because they have to go through a few rounds of testing and tweaking and refining and retesting.

yea trump might want to get doctors to use one thats only 51% effective in 6 months. but thats trump.
over promise/under deliver. remember trump has yet to 'build the wall'.. its been years since that 'promise'

The funny part is that F-1 doesn't even know how to identify what is important. Watch this 19-minute video to see the vaccine logic - https://www.bitchute.com/video/OsRxtyDTGPVt/. Then go here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/ - and check out all the videos that talk the REAL logic of vaccines. Some of these videos are long, but many of them are short snippets of sections of the longer ones.

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funny how bigtree' never mentions the health of those that get sick but keeps promoting the need for spreading the virus 'to get the economy back'

when someone cares more about money than health. more about greed and selfish desire that the health of the community. and someone that promotes darwins survival of the fittest(eugenics) .. you gotta wonder why they are even pretending to say that their actions are for peoples benefits

seems more like the taxmans benefit

^^^ Seems that, that is what the medical community does... cares more about money. The point is, the more the PCR test is used in a community, the greater the percent of Covid will be, even if nobody is sick.


Bulgarian Pathology Association Says COVID-19 PCR Tests Are Scientifically Meaningless (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/288269-2020-08-10-bulgarian-pathology-association-says-covid-19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically.htm)




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and the foolish thing badecker keeps forgetting. because he has been told this many times

that the confirmation of covid is not by pure PCR
its actually if you simplify it down a 3 step process and PCR is the middle part

when saying PCR alone wont confirm covid. that is true. because it needs steps before PCR and steps after PCR to be the full confirming test parameters

once badecker remembers that he has been told that its the chemicals to isolate the virus(1) the PCR to replicate them(2) the chemicals to test for them(3)

that stage 2 alone wont work as it doesnt know what its replicating and doesnt then verify its replicated what it should have

stage 1 and 3 do that
and thats the stupid thing badecker and his fellow clowns keep avoiding. the fact that a covid test is much more than just (2)pcr

there is actually more risk of fault/error at stages 1 and 3 than at stage 2. and if badecker realised the stages involved he would understand how important it is to get stages 1 and 3 right because 1 and 3 are the important parts..

its like making a cake the important parts are the ingrediants and the icing afterwards
you can make a cake in many different ovens or even microwaves but if the ingredients are not right it wont make a cake. and if the icing after aint right it wont look like a cake

badecker this and is trying to suggest that a specific oven is the main ingrediant sorry. but no and if a oven is branded as roaast dinner oven then is should never be used to bake a cake

not relaising the secret to baking a cake is in the ingrediants and the icing..

the other part of the "scientifically meaningless" is that having covid or not is real. but the test has no context of informing if that person being tested is severly symptomatic or just a cough or assymptomatic. thus the test alone doesnt help scientists work out the severity of sickness
so the test combined with data of another source of things like hospitalisation rates is more helpful as combined info

yes more tests = more people having it. but when combining it with hospitalisation data.
(take UK stats of ~800 a day test positive and 150 hospitalised = 18% severity of those tested)
thus the data of covid tests becomes more meaningful when used in combination with other data

I don't trust either the government or those who offer vaccines. In my view, humanity must defeat viruses naturally, not with the vaccines they are trying to impose on us.

You know that vaccines damage your health, and are not fit for the publicly advertised purpose. One can only suspect that the same applies to the governments. They are usually out of office by the time the chickens come home.

Government is a trick used against people. How is it a trick? If any individual walking down the street tried to take your freedoms away like government does, you just might deck him.

The interesting thing is that it is NEVER government that takes your freedom away. It IS an individual who sometimes walks down the street who is taking your freedom away. He/she is using what they call government to trick you, and hide from you the fact that they are government.

In the UK, if any individual or group in government harms you, figure out the amount of damage they did in British pounds. Then invoice them. When they don't pay, take them individually, man-to-man, to Queen's Bench court. Don't represent yourself or have a barrister represent you. Stand PRESENT in court. This way they will have to stand present, as well. They won't have government protection for the governmental process they put in place that damaged you. They are the ones who damaged you, not a thing called government.

There are groups in the UK doing this. Look for them.

Karl Lentz 199 - Queens Bench - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEZZ__3BCSE

Karl Lentz 250 - Understanding the nature of Queens Bench - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi7CkqPLuBY

Karl Lentz 241 - Bali's father's case - part 1 - conditional acceptance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFO0XDgibo

Karl Lentz 195 - Bring the law into the court, Queens Bench, and being placed in a dock - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJIe2e0sjA

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Did you just say 80% of UK has immunity based on your own personal observation? Is that based on you thinking that 80% of people in the UK have already have it, or that their body just has a natutal immunity to COVID?

Very curious on the line of thinking there. Because here's my line of thinking:

CDC says that we probably catch 1/10 cases that actually have COVID. Meaning that for every 10 cases that there really are, only one of them are caught by tests. Lets consider this for New York where they have about 474k cases that have been confirmed. From that, you could say that another 10x the amount of people have it. So that would mean that 4.7m people in New York had it at a point.

Just for context 20m people live in New York meaning that even on the high end of the scale, that would mean that only about 25% of NY had Corona. Herd immunity isn't achieved until you hit about 75-80%

But about 3/4 of the biped entities in NY are zombie Demorats, and I don't think they catch covid. So of the remaining 25%, the real living breathing humans, they should have herd immunity by now.

for once your actually quite accurate
in some area's of NY some neighbourhoods had 69% some had 59% and some had 13%. calculating the populations over all they suggest NY the epicenter city had ~26% overall spread

then outside the city in NY state.. the numbers went below 13%
then outside NY state the numbers were even lower

best guess is about 5% is the upper max spread of all americans. (but suggestions are much lower)
funny part is idiots like say badecker who was crying that the lockdown was implemented in his state(arizona) when case numbers were super low.. thus admitting less cases in his state/no cases(when he flips to virus is fake)) .. but then says that his state is somehow then at herd immunity the next time he flips..
thus contradicting his other words
its just stupid how these idiots pretend the virus is fake then suddenly flip to say people already had it. and then even more stupid to say its important to be 'herd immune' while not realising if they really thought it was fake/not harmful. then immunity wont be important as there is no harm

it just shows how stupid these 'we need herd immunity' people are because they dont even understand the crap the talk about

by the way jetcash

UK NHS is not funded by corporate insurers or funded by big pharma
UK NHS is funded by the treasury

instead of reading americanised conspiracy sites and then quoting them as if your talking about UK situation..

actually look at the real UK situation and study the UK statistics.

When you have 100% Covid indicated by PCR, the other steps don't matter.

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Heh, not sure who exactly I've been inaccurate in recent communications, though it is totally possible.

But back onto the topic here. Yeah - some areas were totally harder hit then others and MAY have herd immunity just within that particular community. Still though, in one of the hardest hit states in regards to cases (second to California and now Florida) they are still not even CLOSE to the numbers we would have to hit to have herd immunity come into effect.

The amount of death and illness that was seen on New York was horrible, imagine doubling the amount of people sick and a bit more?

Not a good idea at all. All this talk about your immune system and herd immunity is from people who don't understand how herd immunity works.

Herd immunity can work, yes, but you need 70-80% of the population to get COVID. No one wants that.

Fauci says the vaccine will only be about 50% effective.


That's because he knows it will only be about 10% effective.     8)

Herd immunity doesn't mean that nobody will get sick. All it means is that most won't get sick.

I think the whole country has herd immunity, and only the few are getting sick.

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this is why i think you have no clue

PCR diagnosed covid
analogy
doctor diagnosed illness

what your not understanding is that the doctor uses extra things you dont know to come to the diagnoses
even if an umbrella term is 'doctor' or 'pcr' is used along side diagnosed.. alot more goes into it
other parts, equipment, and processes are involved


once you realise the process involved in a covid test the reagents, primers pipettes, centrifuges, scanners enzymes and other diagnostic stuff..
you start to realise the most important thing. that you just had no clue whats involved

This is why anybody can know that you don't have any clue. Even the creator of the PCR test said that it wasn't supposed to be used for diagnosis.

When PCR is used, the more it is used in a locality, the greater the percentage of whatever it is looking for. This means that even if Covid exists in only 1% of the people, constant use of PCR will gradually bring the look of it up to 100%.

You are so in the dark ages, franky1.

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PCR is just a machine. that was not designed for covid. it had multiple purposes

its the specific chemicals and other equipment that is used in combination that is the diagnostic mechanism for covid

yes it includes centrifuges during this PCR test
and the funny part is you think only centrifuges alone is all that needed and you have many times been crying out that centrifuges is the only way..

not realising that its a combination of many processes in one

a centrifuge alone is meaningless. because you then have to extract and the test the bit you extracted.
so dont play dumb thinking a centrifuge alone is the real way
so dont play dumb that PCR is the alone process and thus not the real way

and just wake up and understand theres more complexity to it of multiples processes under the umbrella term 'pcr test'

^^^ So THAT's why the more you test with the PCR, the higher your rate of Covid infection goes, until it's 100%. Hey, thanks for the info.

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I agree with you. But of course this doesn't bring profit to the companies. We must work on our immune system, not wait till the vaccine arrives.

Or get hydroxychloroquine + zinc. But if HCQ isn't abailable, get one of its many sister medications.

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Governments usually add their own interests also don't believe that thus far no government has been ready to take the proper steps to stop the virus. most are protecting themselves until the vaccine arrives. Fawcett is true that the vaccine are going to be about 50% effective because nobody has yet invented a vaccine to regulate the virus. and every one of this is often happening during a in no time time and out of the traditional trend of creating antidotes. there's no guarantee that this antidote will add any room.

Trump is moving to stop the senseless pandemic.

Who Is Dr. Scott Atlas? Trump's New Covid Health Adviser Seen As Counter To Fauci And Birx - https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/08/12/who-is-dr-scott-atlas-trumps-new-covid-health-adviser-seen-as-counter-to-fauci-and-birx/#ae4b34a20a4f

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trump is no expert. so looking for an adviser that jsut kisses pesidents ass rather than telling him the facts is not a good idea

atlas has been kissing many poliitcians ass for years and is more motivated by politics than by biology/fact

i cant see this going well as it will just turn into an echo chamber of whatever delusions trump comes up with just being repeated by atlas

other experts dont fear correcting idiots and thats whats best.
just hearing idiots and then hearing what idiots say get repeated by others. is never good

It's reached the point where Fauci has low credibility. Very low credibility.

I agree, so many countries are searching for a vaccine to develop it on their own. It's not like all the big pharma companies work together and share all their findings. Governments and Companies are working against each other to the first one to actually have a good vaccine available. I am not even convinced yet that these vaccine will help in the long run. Personally I am going to wait for others to take the vaccines first. I don't want to be the lab mouse.

maybe you should actually research the facts
all major countries have actually done an international agreement to share their research and also the recipe

also no vaccine not even russia is going to release to general public until phase 3 trials are done
UK,US,RUSSIA all have 'mass' trials in the next few months of a few thousand people.

Even with this international agreement, I guess these pharma companies are racing on their own as huge money is involved with it. And with global requirement, they will not be out of the market. But of course, we will not know the potency of these vaccines and it would take time to really assess their effectiveness to combat the virus. But for the moment, we need to increase our resistance from potential sickness, not only with this virus but other sicknesses that may give us vulnerability to this disease.

the issue with saying "increase our resistance" is that some people dont understand the difference between
1.mineral deficient organs.
2.mineral inefficient organs(dont absorb well even when overdosed minerals)
3.damaged organs
4. organ failure

so idiots start trying to sell supplements saying it will solve/help the 'resistance' issue.
issues are that 2,3,4 wont get helped by overdosing on minerals. most of the minerals the body cant handle just get excreted out when they use the bathroom the same day
those in the first category also dont just absorb it all. your body even if it can absorb at normal healthy levels wont take in the excess but excrete it


the ultimate best option for resistance is to not get a high dose viral load to need to have a large fight against
which is where the social distancing stuff comes in

(i forgot actual numbers but basic logic double distance=half the risk math)
instead of inhaling say 100k particles by being 6inches away from someone(hugging them)
being 1foot away.(shoulder to shoulder) would be 50k
being 2foot away (arms length) 25k
being 4foot away (both at arms length to touch hands) 12.5k
being 6foot away~9k

thus decreasing the risk by over 10x just by not being in kissing distance and instead 2m apart
wearing a face covering can be 20%(knitted scarf)<70%(thick cloth) extra effective to reduce the viral load
and 95% if it a proper surgical mask

thus if you cant avoid 2m distance you could wear a face covering/mask to be helpful to reduce the load

less virus inhaled = less of a battle
less virus inhaled = more time needed for virus to replicated to enough numbers to affect you
more time to replicate to numbers enough to effect you = more time for your body to adapt and fight back

its simple logic
after all, basic common sense is if you are downwind from some graffiti artist spray painting a wall.. would you want to be really close to them and get their paint on you. or keep your distance

idiots saying get up close get sick get herd infected and buy loads of supplements are just not following logic

This doesn't mean that Fauci is out of his positions at the CDC/NIH, etc. All it means is that the new guy is IN with the White House.


Good News: Fauci's Out and Common Sense Might Be Returning  (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/288755-2020-08-17-good-news-faucis-out-and-common-sense-might-be-returning.htm)




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No that's crazy wrong.

Dispersion of an aerosol in a cloud is a 3 dimensional dispersion and inverse cube applies. So roughly, 2x the distance would be 1/9 the density of particles.

Are you pulling a Fauci?

i done the 3d math in another topic, but i forgot the actual numbers(which i said).
but using just basic math of a dummy 2x factor i was just showing numbers that even a dumb person can see

the numbers are more than 2x but i didnt wanna complicate the maths.
in hindesight yea maybe i could of looked up the better math. but at the time i just wanted to make a quick dumb example because it appears a few dumb people cant understand how distance helps

but as you say 100k becomes 11k(1ft)... becomes1.2k(2ft)....becomes 137(4ft)..... becomes 61(6ft)
which is large change for just a 2m distance

who would want to fight a battalion of 100k attackers or just 61 attackers, i know what id choose

I'm seeing a 6 or 8 dimensional problem, not 3. You've got time, temperature, particulate size, winds, stratification, and dispersion rates.

But just looking at what you advised possible Internet viewers on...

basic logic double distance=half the risk math)
instead of inhaling say 100k particles by being 6inches away from someone(hugging them)
being 1foot away.(shoulder to shoulder) would be 50k
being 2foot away (arms length) 25k
being 4foot away (both at arms length to touch hands) 12.5k
being 6foot away~9k

thus decreasing the risk by over 10x just by not being in kissing distance and instead 2m apart,....

Here I am advising you that the very first doubling of distance essentially did that, reducing particular count by 8/9.

So your conclusions are just plain wrong, aren't they?

^^^ He meant 3[r]d [grade] math...     8)

ive seen grammar nazi's.. but now we have math nazis

ok time to quote myself a couple times to show why the context of the message is lost on gramma/math nazi's



i never said i was trying to be scientific/precise. because that would just blow the minds of idiots. so i dumbed it down

Built-in self-protection mechanism, right?     ;D

your self protection mechanism is that you are an idiot and so blame the websites that feed you your scripts. you keep pretending its not your words yet you do not put in the brain power to actually read the info and research it to see if its correct before posting it. then you claim its 100% scientific fact. all the time

atleast i explain my stuff and actually note when i am using proper research or just making a dumbed down example to explain something idiots dont understand if said in full context

take you many posts
in one topic you say viruses dont exist
in another topic you say they exist and have been proven and seen for atleast 9 years
in another topic you say everyone has already been immunised against it
in another you say people have not been immunised because lockdown prevented infections
in another topic you say no one gets infected or sick
in another you say people can get sick but you have the magic pill cure for it
in another you say people should avoid buying pills
in another you say there is no health risk and only a economic risk where people need to work to pay taxes
in another you say the government is causing chaos and we should defund the government

your flip flops are transparent.

The outbreak of covid-19 has posed severe treat to the world. Scientists on their parts are at different part of the world carrying out research on this dreaded pandemic and primarily we have had some level of success in curbing this. But my biggest fear is if it is safe to induce this vaccines on humans. Many people have different immunity to infections and so many react harshly to toxic vaccines. I still suggest more research be carried out to save the population from been induced with vaccines that will pose danger in the future thereby having side effects

People easily understand how you can be mixed up. You haven't figured out how to take things in context. You don't even know when to understand something as sarcasm or humor, or when a person plays devil's advocate for a short time.

However, it is good to be simple like you are. If you could only tweak your grammar and spelling and punctuation so that your focus could be understood... and if you would drop the vindictiveness against anything that somebody else says... you might even get a little recognition as being intellectually capable.

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One good thing we start to notice is that the death rates are dropping with the rise of vaccinations. Especially among the elderly population we see much lower rates. But just because the vaccines are working right now, doesn't mean it is going to stay like this. There are already quite a few different mutations of the corona virus out there. No one can tell us how many more of those are going to come up and how effective they are going to be. It might be the case they will be immune to the vaccine.

^^^ But the CDC says just the opposite on their VAERS pages. Their VAERS pages show that people are dying from the vaccines... thousands of them. And the pages suggest that only 10% of deaths, etc., are being provided to VAERS. Thousands are dying from the vaccines.

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Its astonishing to see how many people / so called experts are losing their creditability and are exposed in public when they give their stance about the covid19 and its vaccine.
Almost all of the people don't care about the people health, they only care how much money they could make with pandemic.  :(

Well its hard to tell the effect of vaccine whether it is 50, 60, 70% rate of effectivity and no one really trust them fully, there is still money involved behind all these, so that the majority of people really believe in it, It is much better to give people something to eat, drink that can boost their immune system rather than taking this kind of vaccine which to other are not effective.

That's right. It's difficult to tell. So, spend some time watching the videos here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/ (https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/). Why? Because these videos will show you how medical leaders are misrepresenting the true results of the vaccines, and that there even IS a need for vaccines.

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The problem with all this is the economic interests behind it. Normally we cannot rely on statistics, so if the statistics support the fact that the pharmaceutical companies make a lot of money, even less so, I think. Curiously, we hear little or nothing about boosting the immune system in a natural way. What a coincidence that it does not make money for the pharmaceutical companies.

It is so hard to keep track of all these different kind of vaccines. Almost all of the big countries have their own vaccines, USA and China have 3 vaccines each already being exported. But what we don't know is how effective is each and everyone one of them. Why is it so hard to make a comparison between them? In my opinion this is politically motivated to not make these information public. If we could rank the vaccines in terms of efficency then worst vaccines probably wouldn't be used anymore as nobody would want to get it.

Covid virus is getting mutated so now we have completely different kinds of covid 19 virus from the year 2020 but these vaccines are made for the early strain but now the new strain can be resistant to the vaccines that is why efficacy is getting reducing further.

"Mutated" isn't and doesn't mean "completely different."

One might say that Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 is a mutation of the original SARS that existed back in 2003. But the two of them are around 80% or 85% the same. Mutations of Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 that happen here and there over a short period of days or weeks, are almost exactly the same as their parent that they mutated from.

Vaccines may not recognize mutated strains. But the immune system recognizes even Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 because of its work on, and memory of, the original SARS.

The original SARS is simply a mutated form of the common cold. There are many mutations of the common cold. SARS happened to be one of them that was a little more aggressive. So is Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2. But the immune system stopped the original SARS. We didn't have a pandemic. Vaccines certainly didn't work.

Big Pharma wants to make money. That's why they used the media to turn Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 into a pandemic when it really isn't. Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 will go away on its own, except that the things that the medical are doing are making it last longer. Why will/is Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 going away naturally? Because the immune system recognizes its similarity to the common cold, and is destroying it just like immune systems destroyed the original SARS.

The vaccine is not 50% effective at getting rid of Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2. Rather, the vaccines are probably 50% effective at making Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 last longer. So, Fauci wasn't lying. He was simply twisting the truth in a wrong direction.

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The AstraZeneca vaccine is sold at cost. No profit.

Agree that the other vaccine companies are making vast amounts of money. But if an urgent problem can only be resolved by a very small number of expert companies, then you'd expect those companies to make money - it's how the modern economy works. Doesn't make the problem itself artificial, though.

Also, we've heard a fair amount about the effectiveness of vitamin D, which doesn't make $$$ for pharma. And we've heard about the importance of healthy diet, how obesity is a factor, etc. At least in my country - will obviously vary around the world.

Nobody does all that work at no cost. The cost is to the taxpayers, who supply the money for the grants extended to the vaccine companies. But the bigger cost is to the recipients of the so-called vaccine.


AstraZeneca changes the name of its coronavirus vaccine after wave of blood clot deaths (https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-04-01-astrazeneca-changes-name-of-its-coronavirus-vaccine.html)




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you did not even make a post in this topic..

Fauci says the vaccine will only be about 50% effective.


All he means is that about 50% who get the jab will die from it. Some die quick. Others die in agony.


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