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Title: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 20, 2020, 05:52:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Wab2ycP.png
News is that the beauty company of China listed the Philippines as one of its provinces (see picture above), which is a major disrespect and insult to us. After China has claimed some of our islands even we won at the international court :-\, news that we are a province of China is spreading around our country. This post should be a warning to those countries that have debts in China because it could happen to your country as well.

The Chinese money trap really works, and they're already winning in the economic war, that's exactly what China is doing right now. They are taking advantage of those third world countries that want to grow their economies, and after many years of development, the country will be in huge debt due to crisis and corrupt people. Most countries have already lost portions of their homes and have already trampled on the rights and sovereignty of other developed nations.

In the beginning, China knew those countries that borrow money from them would not be able to pay them on the due date, so, in return, natural resources such as oil, gas, or even an island would be offered to pay those debts. I still believe that we Filipinos can manage to build our economy without relying on others, we just need the right people who can handle and control it perfectly for massive development. We are already aware of how does a money trap works but there are still countries that are falling for it, that's how dangerous it is.

This is where it starts and soon, we will see more products from China that labels the Philippines as a Province of China.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Upgrade00 on August 20, 2020, 06:20:29 PM
This post should be a warning to those countries that have debts in China because it could happen to your country as well.
It's a power race and China are aware (and hoping) that some of those loans would be defaulted.
In Nigeria for example, millions of USD has been borrowed for the construction of railways and more are expected to be exchanged, however the fine print of the terms were not publicized, this lead to an alarm being raised when some of the terms, which included waving a portion of the nations sovereignty to China was released.
Majority of the nations which are indebted through direct loans are developing nations in Africa and some parts of Asia, some of which are rich in natural resources. Defaults would allow China expand her territory.

This is where it starts and soon, we will see more products from China that labels the Philippines as a Province of China.
The mayor of the region has responded strongly, condemning the action and also looking to deport the owners of the firm. This was most probably a plot in a bigger political play


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: semobo on August 20, 2020, 07:03:52 PM
Every leader is looking for short term solutions to this economic crisis because the ruling period for them is going to be 4 or 5 years so they really don't care about the things which is going to happen after a while.And if someone who wanted to stay away from the trap need to take loans from the countries which are not giving strict rules and extended time period to pay the debt.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: dothebeats on August 20, 2020, 07:08:21 PM
I already saw this happening from miles away. The president of the Philippines has long been associating itself closely with China, and has even asked for lots of loans to fund for their infrastructure and development project. While the project in itself isn't an issue, the debt and whom it came from is. The Chinese has long been notorious in setting up debt traps on developing nations to gain quite a sizable share of the natural resources of a country, or even some part of the nation's land in order to use it for their own gain. This can be considered as conquering other countries through means of non-violent actions, in this case debt traps. I will not be surprised if the Philippines will be under the said situation in a few years time given that the current president isn't really doing anything right in regards to this matter.

Heck, you still have lots of corruption scandals in recent times in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Indymoney on August 20, 2020, 07:38:59 PM
I already saw this happening from miles away. The president of the Philippines has long been associating itself closely with China, and has even asked for lots of loans to fund for their infrastructure and development project. While the project in itself isn't an issue, the debt and whom it came from is. The Chinese has long been notorious in setting up debt traps on developing nations to gain quite a sizable share of the natural resources of a country, or even some part of the nation's land in order to use it for their own gain. This can be considered as conquering other countries through means of non-violent actions, in this case debt traps. I will not be surprised if the Philippines will be under the said situation in a few years time given that the current president isn't really doing anything right in regards to this matter.

Heck, you still have lots of corruption scandals in recent times in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Chines think thank is bringing this new system they already capture few ports and areas from developing countries after giving them good amount of loan and now this is really frustrating for many citizens of this country because they are doing all just for their own sack and colonization is new shape they will take places which are good and profitable for them other things will remain in country's authorities control as they don't want any headach in start.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Heisenberg_Hunter on August 20, 2020, 08:12:29 PM
Philippines could have managed their country without the major loans they have been borrowing from China for all these years but the economic development could have halted a little. But borrowing such huge loans has probably put Philippines in the danger of being invaded in future. But if this continues to an extent where the loans can never really be paid, you the Filipinos would be in the verge of being invaded indirectly by China in a few upcoming years.

The same problem has happened with countries like Angola and Ethiopia which had fell for the Dept Trap nonsense and they would be losing their status of being independent in a few more years. Ethiopia currently has a $13.5 billion debt and Angola has $25 billion debt and I don't think these huge numbers are good for a poor country like Angola TBH.

We are very well aware that President thought to put an end to the famous 21 year old VFA agreement early this year and it was seen as a positive factor for China to strengthen its troops inside Philippines. But recently in June, it was suspended and was seen as a sigh of relief for the USA. Either way, if problems like these tend to increase at a later stage the Philippines might face a severe threat from China in a non-violent way as dothebeats said and no one would be able to save them.

P.S @CryptopreneurBrainboss can you shed some light on these Africa Debt Trap facts from an African viewpoint?


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Coyster on August 20, 2020, 09:02:28 PM
What makes the African debt trap worse for the debtor countries is that much of this money is being embezzled by their governments, the leaders of these countries are corrupt, they bring forward plans and budgets for the loans, but if you follow the projects, you'll find out that little or nothing is being executed and the larger chunk of the money is going to their bank accounts.

That being said, it becomes impossible for the debts to be paid back and China are well smart to know this, if the debtors will use every cent of that money to the good use of their economy, they'll reap from it in many years to come and paying back the debts becomes possible, but from an African point of view, chances these corrupt African countries will ever meet up to pay is pretty low.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: TimeTeller on August 20, 2020, 09:19:15 PM
I already saw this happening from miles away. The president of the Philippines has long been associating itself closely with China, and has even asked for lots of loans to fund for their infrastructure and development project. While the project in itself isn't an issue, the debt and whom it came from is. The Chinese has long been notorious in setting up debt traps on developing nations to gain quite a sizable share of the natural resources of a country, or even some part of the nation's land in order to use it for their own gain. This can be considered as conquering other countries through means of non-violent actions, in this case debt traps. I will not be surprised if the Philippines will be under the said situation in a few years time given that the current president isn't really doing anything right in regards to this matter.

Heck, you still have lots of corruption scandals in recent times in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.

This is aggravating situation as it means there are people in China that are now considering Manila, PH as province of China.
Is that the product of the PH President being pro-China and turned out to be the new play thing of China?

https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/dutertes-pro-china-policy-hits-a-viral-limit/

I doubt its citizens will accept such claim being under China. A really insulting one.
And yes, corruption at its best. Their PhilHealth supposedly active this pandemic in assisting people are in current house hearing for alleged corruption.  ::)


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: goinmerry on August 20, 2020, 09:31:33 PM
Looking at the situation, I think we should not take this issue in general.

The product owner involved should be the only one to be questioned. There is no way China government will treat PH as a province, I mean if they do, we should have seen several cases like that in all Chinese products in Divisoria and Chinatown Binondo. Maybe those owners looked down at PH to the point that they listed it as a province on their product.

Fortunately, the stores are now shut down and owners will be deported back to their country according to the City Mayor.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: CarnagexD on August 20, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
The President of the Philippines is with friends with China, he's trying to make some deals coz he sees something that we can help us in the future but this? this is just absurd. Okay let's look at the very point, Manila was labeled as province of China, you guys ever wonder why a congress happen to discover it before the customs? Customs could have been thrown this product away when they sees it and I'm sure they have a procedure where they need to open imports for scanning. What my point is it could have been corrected, by them before it gets to a bigger stage like this and this reflects the negligence of them on their jobs. Glad that the Manila Mayor responded quickly and properly on this matter, he's very insulted by this as the city mayor most specially.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Oasisman on August 20, 2020, 10:32:13 PM

The Chinese money trap really works, and they're already winning in the economic war, that's exactly what China is doing right now. They are taking advantage of those third world countries that want to grow their economies, and after many years of development, the country will be in huge debt due to crisis and corrupt people. Most countries have already lost portions of their homes and have already trampled on the rights and sovereignty of other developed nations.

The Chinese debt trap is very popular as some countries in Asia and some parts of Africa has been a victim of debt trap, infact China made a huge share from some of these countries GDP due to a huge amount of loan, mainly been used to fund infrastructures.
Now, If the PH won't carefully spend the government's funds, Im afraid we'll fall from the same trap. Specially in this dire situation.
This hair treatment product should be sued seriously. Let the product owner explain the meaning of this.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Sanugarid on August 20, 2020, 10:58:50 PM
Looking at the situation, I think we should not take this issue in general.

The product owner involved should be the only one to be questioned. There is no way China government will treat PH as a province, I mean if they do, we should have seen several cases like that in all Chinese products in Divisoria and Chinatown Binondo. Maybe those owners looked down at PH to the point that they listed it as a province on their product.
No, there have been some cases already that China is calling the Philippines as one of their provinces which is a great insult for every Philippine citizen. Any country called as a province by whatever country is a great insult, including your sovereignty. This should be an initiative for the China to correct their people not to look in the Philippines as one of their provinces, indeed that was a huge mistake by the owner of the product.

Why are we talking about the Chinese debt trap in here? I think it is far and distinct from this situation.

Fortunately, the stores are now shut down and owners will be deported back to their country according to the City Mayor.
Yes, I'm glad that they already blacklisted the product as well as the company who is responsible for that. What I'm just a bit sad about is the lose of jobs, as we know we have a high unemployment rate due to the pandemic and this happens, and I'm very sure that there is a Filipino who lost his/her job because of this.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: goinmerry on August 20, 2020, 11:18:16 PM
Looking at the situation, I think we should not take this issue in general.

The product owner involved should be the only one to be questioned. There is no way China government will treat PH as a province, I mean if they do, we should have seen several cases like that in all Chinese products in Divisoria and Chinatown Binondo. Maybe those owners looked down at PH to the point that they listed it as a province on their product.
No, there have been some cases already that China is calling the Philippines as one of their provinces which is a great insult for every Philippine citizen. Any country called as a province by whatever country is a great insult, including your sovereignty. This should be an initiative for the China to correct their people not to look in the Philippines as one of their provinces, indeed that was a huge mistake by the owner of the product.

It's beyond our control. That's their own view and they are in China. Even their government will say against that, they won't listen. You can't just say what should they do. If they don't respect, then don't respect them back. In any country, there are citizens that looked down at any country. We have no way to change that thinking as long as they will shout for that within just their territory.

But it's another story if there will be a foreigner who will say that within PH territory. That will be the time now to take actions as they have no right to do that in our homeland.

Fortunately, the stores are now shut down and owners will be deported back to their country according to the City Mayor.
Yes, I'm glad that they already blacklisted the product as well as the company who is responsible for that. What I'm just a bit sad about is the lose of jobs, as we know we have a high unemployment rate due to the pandemic and this happens, and I'm very sure that there is a Filipino who lost his/her job because of this.

Yes, there will be affected people and loses jobs because there are a total of 4 stores that have been closed down.

But since their owners do a irresponsible acts right here in our country, I hope these people will understand the situation.

What I'm pissed off is those at DTI. They should have seen that early as all legit products are registered to them.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: FlightyPouch on August 20, 2020, 11:37:27 PM
The government knows what is happening right now and some of the great leaders of each city are now closing these stores that are selling these products. One of the most popular mayos nowadays gave his comments about this and he is really mad. This is really insulting as a Filipino citizen, they take our lands, and then they wanted to take our country as a province?! I bet our president will not do anything about it saying that it is just a mistake.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Jemzx00 on August 21, 2020, 12:00:49 AM
China has always been on the move when it comes to money and land expansion especially to those small third world countries that they can easily bully such as our country Philippines. And our president just keep letting them be and trying to act like we are friends with them which we all know we're not rather we're just slaves to them. Good thing that other countries are fighting back when China is up to something such as grabbing islands.
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Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: The cure on August 21, 2020, 12:24:53 AM
What those Chinese people did was very insulting, they have done that in our own territory. They have no right to claim Manila as their province, Manila is the capital of the Philippines, they just migrated there and now they want to own it. They build businesses there and yes they also helped other Filipinos working for them, but that was not enough for them to occupy the area permanently. They should be sent back to their own country as punishment.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Wexnident on August 21, 2020, 01:26:26 AM
Should I even expect for the country to press legal charges on said company? Most of us are yes, pretty mad at this issue, but really, would our President even bloody care for said issue? I'd already be very glad if he doesn't make a move about this and let others press the charges themselves. Now, I'm just basically wondering, the product has been made since 2018 and as such, how long was such an issue been on? And no one really noticed a thing about it? I mean, not that I'm one to closely check everything on my products, but I at least check the labels thoroughly once when I buy them.

Fortunately, the stores are now shut down and owners will be deported back to their country according to the City Mayor.
Yes, I'm glad that they already blacklisted the product as well as the company who is responsible for that. What I'm just a bit sad about is the lose of jobs, as we know we have a high unemployment rate due to the pandemic and this happens, and I'm very sure that there is a Filipino who lost his/her job because of this.
Source on this? The only ones I found were the Mayors pushing for it's ban, and closing the stores in Manila. Articles have stated that they already removed the said Address issue, but Mayors still pushed for closing down stores, as well as telling online e-commerce stores (Shoppee, Lazada) to stop selling their products.

Source: https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/08/21/2036808/stalls-selling-manila-province-china-products-padlocked


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: NavI_027 on August 21, 2020, 01:35:18 AM
This post should be a warning to those countries that have debts in China because it could happen to your country as well.
Nah, I don't think so. Only the Philippines is the country China can bully and it's so embarassing. They are disgracing us in our own land without even fighting back and it s*cks! And what I hate the lost is that our government only doing gentle response on all of the issues probably because they don't want a conflict but at what cost? They continue abusing us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not promoting war against them because I don't want it either. Obviously, we're on the losing side. But I just hope we can also do like what Vietnam (take this as reference (https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/vietnam-china-exchange-water-cannon-spray-near-disputed-oil-rig)) did, they stand for their rights and not afraid to resist despite of knowing that they're a third world country as well :(.
I still believe that we Filipinos can manage to build our economy without relying on others
Hmm actually there's nothing wrong with strengthening our relationship with foreign countries. It's beneficial for both parties because it creates more employment and open trades. It just so happened that our current president pick a a wrong ally :-\.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: erikoy on August 21, 2020, 01:50:01 AM
This post should be a warning to those countries that have debts in China because it could happen to your country as well.
Nah, I don't think so. Only the Philippines is the country China can bully and it's so embarassing. They are disgracing us in our own land without even fighting back and it s*cks! And what I hate the lost is that our government only doing gentle response on all of the issues probably because they don't want a conflict but at what cost? They continue abusing us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not promoting war against them because I don't want it either. Obviously, we're on the losing side. But I just hope we can also do like what Vietnam (take this as reference (https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/vietnam-china-exchange-water-cannon-spray-near-disputed-oil-rig)) did, they stand for their rights and not afraid to resist despite of knowing that they're a third world country as well :(.
I still believe that we Filipinos can manage to build our economy without relying on others
Hmm actually there's nothing wrong with strengthening our relationship with foreign countries. It's beneficial for both parties because it creates more employment and open trades. It just so happened that our current president pick a a wrong ally :-\.
Do you have the a good way to claim the island that china own in some part of the Philippines? The US government had only made an advise to settle the dispute with international law and where Philippines filed a complaint and win over it. But, did it make china to pull out in the territory of the Philippines? No, because they are powerful and know that Philipine could not sustain if war will going to take place and that is why the President of the Philippines had been making negotiations with china government getting shares in the china of that part of philippine sea island explorations.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: acroman08 on August 21, 2020, 01:58:33 AM
I wonder why our government is still allowing this kind of insults coming from the Chinese, I've heard and seen these things happen before but our government only took minor action about it(which is sad). I have no problem if our government wants to ally itself with china(even if I don't like their government) but insulting our country's sovereignty by saying that our country is a province of China is unacceptable and should be taken seriously by our government. I'm glad that the shop had been closed and the current mayor of manila wants to deport Chinese nationals selling products with label saying that the Philippines is a province of china(I hope this happens).


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on August 21, 2020, 02:16:06 AM
Every leader is looking for short term solutions to this economic crisis because the ruling period for them is going to be 4 or 5 years so they really don't care about the things which is going to happen after a while.And if someone who wanted to stay away from the trap need to take loans from the countries which are not giving strict rules and extended time period to pay the debt.
If youre talking about President his method are quite bit different compared to previous one, I mean he is frank and let say a guy that will do anything for his countrymen. Its a shame that some companies were flagged like on what's OP photo. We are not sure though if this is really real or purposely made by someone to create fud about the government.

I have no problem if our government wants to ally itself with china(even if I don't like their government) but insulting our country's sovereignty by saying that our country is a province of China is unacceptable and should be taken seriously by our government.
I am 100% agree with you. I dont want to think that they just ignoring it due to our current debt on them. Yes we, the Philippines are debted to them but they must be civilized on how they handle stuff like this. I do want to hear any feedback from the President once he see this kind of downing to our Philippine Flag.


No offense Chinese members here, but this isnt good to labeled different country as your province. At least show some proof that it was approved by out Government. Have some knick knack balls.



Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 21, 2020, 03:03:02 AM
This post should be a warning to those countries that have debts in China because it could happen to your country as well.
Nah, I don't think so. Only the Philippines is the country China can bully and it's so embarassing. They are disgracing us in our own land without even fighting back and it s*cks! And what I hate the lost is that our government only doing gentle response on all of the issues probably because they don't want a conflict but at what cost? They continue abusing us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not promoting war against them because I don't want it either. Obviously, we're on the losing side. But I just hope we can also do like what Vietnam (take this as reference (https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/vietnam-china-exchange-water-cannon-spray-near-disputed-oil-rig)) did, they stand for their rights and not afraid to resist despite of knowing that they're a third world country as well :(.
I've read a lot and there's a lot of countries that have been bullied and abused by China, even 2nd world countries are included. It is so embarrassing that a country which is the leading in Asia on the past but now at the bottom because of these corrupt politicians.
I still believe that we Filipinos can manage to build our economy without relying on others
Hmm actually there's nothing wrong with strengthening our relationship with foreign countries. It's beneficial for both parties because it creates more employment and open trades. It just so happened that our current president pick a a wrong ally :-\.
Yeah there's nothing wrong with having a relationship on other countries, but as much as possible we shouldn't rely huge matters on the other countries especially China. They will just take it as their stepping stone to conquer some of our islands and the worst part is what happening right now, disrespecting us face to face.

Looking at the situation, I think we should not take this issue in general.

The product owner involved should be the only one to be questioned. There is no way China government will treat PH as a province, I mean if they do, we should have seen several cases like that in all Chinese products in Divisoria and Chinatown Binondo. Maybe those owners looked down at PH to the point that they listed it as a province on their product.

Fortunately, the stores are now shut down and owners will be deported back to their country according to the City Mayor.
It all interconnects mate. That's why Nograles said, it's very hard to dismiss that kind of insult as a simple error, meaning, there's a chance that news about our country being a province of china are already spreading across the chinese media. Did you remember in the year 2018 where they put a banner of "Welcome to the Philippines, province of China" in QC? This thing isn't new anymore and the issue is still going on and will become worst in the next few days.

https://i.imgur.com/BOofXIN.png
Source: twitter (https://twitter.com/JohnsonManabat/status/1017211412546912256)

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Tarpaulin banners were installed in various parts of Metro Manila which was discovered by government authorities on July 12, 2018. The date also marks the second anniversary of the Philippines v. China, an international arbitration case that ruled the legality of the People's Republic of China's claims over the South China Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea).
 :) it all interconnects.

Territorial disputes in the South China Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea)
Philippines, Province of China banners (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines,_Province_of_China_banners)
Binondo-based beauty product listed as from ‘Manila, Province of China’ earns ire of solon
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1324634/blacklisting-of-beauty-product-maker-that-allegedly-listed-manila-as-province-of-china-sought#ixzz6Vidd1kch


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Darker45 on August 21, 2020, 03:19:39 AM
The country is being branded as a province of China by a mere beauty product which is probably dirt cheap and below minimum quality standard and has surely not passed all the necessary requirements to be admitted to the domestic market in the Philippines. This beauty product must have originated from an ignorant company back in China.

I would have dismissed this case outright as a nuisance if not with the political, economic, and affairs relating to international relations which are being hotly and divisively debated not just within the country or the region but within the whole world.

If I'm not mistaken, the leaders of the country current and past have been generally friendly with China although the relationship seemed to blossom a lot when the current administration started to treat the USA and the EU more of enemies rather than friends. It strategically positioned China as the apple of the eye of this poor forsaken country. From then on, all hell breaks loose.

We do not lack warnings and evidences and yet we still continue to allow ourselves to be showered with Chinese economic graces which we surely knew to be traps. While I question the capabilities of our leaders, I question more their nationalism and moral courage to steer this impoverished nation.

Dr. Mahathir of Malaysia was able to cancel at least $22.3 billion worth of China-funded projects in his country knowing full well that the acceptance of the same will drown them with Chinese debt they cannot afford to repay. This debt trap is what he calls as "new version of colonialism." Alas, the brave leaders of our country do not have the balls to do just this.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: NavI_027 on August 21, 2020, 03:56:16 AM
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And why do we need to make negotiations as if that territory is not our very own ::)? Walang mang aapi kung walang magpapa api. I know that our arsenal are 10x weaker than them but it doesn't necessarily mean that we are now raising the white flag and let this bullying happen over and over again.

We won the arbitration case and that's great! It supposed to work against them but why it seems China are not scared at all? (IMO) It's because the Duterte administration's fang is not sharp ~ change my mind. Instead of giving strong warnings they simply shrugged and convince us that everything was just an accident or unintentional tsk.

Here, look at Presidential Spokesperson's and Manila Mayor's statement regarding the issue and try to compare
https://i.ibb.co/4j79P9T/FB-IMG-15979796151770898.jpg
See? A simple act of courage means a lot. I hope you now get what I mean.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: wiss19 on August 21, 2020, 04:09:59 AM
Wow :D this is really serious,. My country is among those that are taking loans from China and a lot of people have been blasting the government lately for taking loans from the Chinese government, but our foolish leaders keeps on giving some rubbish excuse about every stupid actions they take. This is so wrong. I have always been suspecting that the Chinese government has some evil plans and now it’s all happening.

I am even starting to wonder if all the accusations that people has been throwing at them for being behind the outbreak are true.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Shasha80 on August 21, 2020, 04:17:59 AM
I can feel how annoyed the Filipina people are about this. The money trap carried out by China does not only occur in the Philippines.
However, in several Southeast Asian countries too, I looked at the purpose country China no longer controls the world economy, but
China wants to expand its territory if we see what happened in the Philippines. If this is allowed in the long run, a military war can occur.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: lienfaye on August 21, 2020, 04:33:11 AM
See? A simple act of courage means a lot. I hope you now get what I mean.
Its just shows that local government officials are working way better rather than the national government regarding this issue.

As roque said no one will believe Manila is a province of china but it is insulting for filipino people to be tagged our capital city as province of their own even its not true.

Manila mayor did a good job closing down their business and requesting for the deportation of the 2 chinese businessmen (owner of the said beauty product business).



Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: AmoreJaz on August 21, 2020, 05:43:26 AM
See? A simple act of courage means a lot. I hope you now get what I mean.
Its just shows that local government officials are working way better rather than the national government regarding this issue.

As roque said no one will believe Manila is a province of china but it is insulting for filipino people to be tagged our capital city as province of their own even its not true.

Manila mayor did a good job closing down their business and requesting for the deportation of the 2 chinese businessmen (owner of the said beauty product business).


great job by the Mayor! fast response considering coming from a politician. thats a warning to all these chinese businessmen that are already considering manila as part of China. respect is all we need! wont be surprised that they will be deported as soon as possible. doing business illegally - no permits nor license, but comfortable doing their business out of their territory?? how long have been they doing that?


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: davis196 on August 21, 2020, 05:53:10 AM
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I still believe that we Filipinos can manage to build our economy without relying on others

I don't think so.The Philippines would need lots of foreign capital,in order to industrialize and escape the "poverty trap".They can't just print the money and create capital out of nowhere.
Foreign investments and foreign debt are needed for further economic growth and development.
The problem with China is their imperialistic doctrine.The Chinese might invest in third world countries or lend them money,but eventually they would want to conquer those countries.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: amishmanish on August 21, 2020, 06:08:19 AM
I still believe that we Filipinos can manage to build our economy without relying on others, we just need the right people who can handle and control it perfectly for massive development. We are already aware of how does a money trap works but there are still countries that are falling for it, that's how dangerous it is.

This is where it starts and soon, we will see more products from China that labels the Philippines as a Province of China.
There isn't a more insidious entity that knows better methods of psychological and social welfare than the beast of CCP. They have let the border dispute with India linger on for over 60 years now while continuing to show aggression and agreement alternatively. The Indian politicians were either too occupied domestically or too pussy-footed till now to respond properly. The Chinese have a policy of making inroads through utilizing the enemies weaknesses. To them, an enemy agreeing to hold talks is also an act of buying time and a weakness to be exploited. Its an expansionist and revisionist power that only settles on its own terms.

They never made such noises when they were seen as a over-populated developing country. Soon as they saw weakness in the world order, they have started doing these antics. People throughout Asia should unite against this uncalled aggression. Most of us are democracies and want nothing to have with the CCP policy of having a hierarchy of controlled and under-surveillance minions. I hope the Filipino politicians will take their stand and not allow such slow poisoning.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: buwaytress on August 21, 2020, 06:18:46 AM
At least China knows you exist. (Joke).

In Malaysia, I come from the islands, and we've had a long history of living together in the Federation of Malaysia but the East islanders are often excluded in national literature. I went to the mainland in the late 1990s and the stories I heard all became my personal experience. Upon being asked where I'm from, the follow-up would something like "oh, I've never been to Indonesia/Philippines/random country they think is near Malaysia". You'd often see on TV news them getting the map, location, and country wrong, and our state (by the way the largest in Malaysia) often mislabelled under International news.

So we had all these conspiracy theories because well, surely they weren't as idiot as all that? We all study the same history in school, we all learn about our country etc. But in fact, it's really just plain ignorance. People like to say Americans are dumb and don't know anything beyond their borders. My experience is that people everywhere else who don't have the opportunity or desire to learn things outside their coccoon are really much the same everywhere in the world.

The internet and social media, and our role lately in national politics has somewhat changed perceptions and awareness.

My belated point is: this could be plain ignorance on the part of the manufacturer. Some guy gave the address. Some guy couldn't figure out where Manila was, or some guy just put Made in China everywhere on everything they do.

Doesn't excuse them, but am just saying this particular incident could be less sinister than you think =) Sorry for the unpopular opinion.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 21, 2020, 07:00:43 AM
[snip]
...
Here, look at Presidential Spokesperson's and Manila Mayor's statement regarding the issue and try to compare
https://i.ibb.co/4j79P9T/FB-IMG-15979796151770898.jpg
See? A simple act of courage means a lot. I hope you now get what I mean.
Mate, try to translate those statements since we're in the international section so they can understand and differentiate it.

Well, that's what I'm pointing on every discussion in social media, locals are more competent than in the national, this is only my opinion.
It's a good move for the Mayor of Manila to shut down the business and send them back to China, another fragrance in his name. (lol)

Even in my city, all of those taxes we paid are so worth it, all of certified voters got their allowance to survive the first month of quarantine.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Lorence.xD on August 21, 2020, 07:34:34 AM
If our Puppet President still does not take an action regarding this then shit will hit the fan because people are slowly disliking his way of governance. I do not get how people are zealous about this Puppet when all that he did was launch a slaughter of the poor and suspected drug personnel, he is the greatest and vile enabler, with peace that came from the blood of others, I do not have faith that they ever get things done right. We also should make a shout out to the hypocrisy this Puppet does, if his allies commit corruption, he can turn a blind eye in a heartbeat, while the masses are drowning in poverty, he does not care.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 21, 2020, 07:35:50 AM
In this particular case, it looks like an unintentional mistake from the manufacturers. But at the same time, China has stepped up its territorial aggressiveness recently, resulting in instances such as the recent clashes at Galwan Valley in Ladakh (which resulted in dozens of deaths). Right now the Chinese are on backfoot, as Trump has taken strong action against them. But things can change later this year, after the presidential elections in the United States.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Mauser on August 21, 2020, 07:47:02 AM
China is having border conflict with many nations lately. It doesn't come as a surprise to me that China is tryting to influence the Philippines now. As a former puppet state of USA I think this is mainly done to show force against the Western countries. Unfortunately China is the biggest power in Asia at the moment and we all have to accept it. As long as there is no military invasion of any country bordering China, the West will not get involved in any disputes. Just looking at Hong Kond we see that world is not helping the weak anymore. Better to remain friendly with China and accept the hierachy.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: bitsurfer2014 on August 21, 2020, 08:05:48 AM
I never thought that the nine-dash-line policy now included the capital of the Philippines which is a blatant insult and mockery not only to my fellow Filipinos but to all the nations aggrieved by China's absurd demarcation policy.

This is not the only case of several issues coming from them but if you are well aware of the local news, you could see things that seems to disrespect the rights of Filipinos such as Chinese expats doing certain crimes within the country  such as drug distribution and being involved with kidnapping syndicates to kidnap their own,  which clearly shows they aren't afraid to the local authorities in which I think they feel invincible because of current Government's leniency to them.

https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1110334 (https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1110334)

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/13/tech/philippines-online-casinos-intl-hnk/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/13/tech/philippines-online-casinos-intl-hnk/index.html)

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1205254/p800-m-shabu-seized-from-chinese-national-in-quezon-city (https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1205254/p800-m-shabu-seized-from-chinese-national-in-quezon-city)


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: larus on August 21, 2020, 08:06:15 AM
It could be just one small mistake on factory, i dont think that this really means something important


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: plvbob0070 on August 21, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
It's really a big insult in the Philippines to be called a province of China. Good thing for the mayor of Manila that he immediately took an action and closed all establishments who put that kind of address in their products.
here's a link:
Code:
https://twitter.com/ABSCBNNews/status/1296346133556391936?s=19

Although the country is depending on products made in China because it's cheaper and the amount of debt we have, they don't have the right to lowkey own our country. I wonder what's the reaction of the president about this because he always thinks that we are "friends" and is dependent on China.

It could be just one small mistake on factory, i dont think that this really means something important

Who would make a mistake like that?  The Philippines is obviously far from Province P.R. China, so how come it would be a mistake? They have been manufacturing products and yet no one noticed it? I doubt that


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: bitsurfer2014 on August 21, 2020, 09:15:18 AM
It could be just one small mistake on factory, i dont think that this really means something important

I don't think so! Its clearly a deliberate action to insult Filipinos and that really matters to us. It's really ridiculous that even a grade-schooler from any other country would know that Manila isn't a province of China. :o


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: abhiseshakana on August 21, 2020, 10:18:12 AM
The country is being branded as a province of China by a mere beauty product which is probably dirt cheap and below minimum quality standard and has surely not passed all the necessary requirements to be admitted to the domestic market in the Philippines. This beauty product must have originated from an ignorant company back in China.

I would have dismissed this case outright as a nuisance if not with the political, economic, and affairs relating to international relations which are being hotly and divisively debated not just within the country or the region but within the whole world.

If I'm not mistaken, the leaders of the country current and past have been generally friendly with China although the relationship seemed to blossom a lot when the current administration started to treat the USA and the EU more of enemies rather than friends. It strategically positioned China as the apple of the eye of this poor forsaken country. From then on, all hell breaks loose.

We do not lack warnings and evidences and yet we still continue to allow ourselves to be showered with Chinese economic graces which we surely knew to be traps. While I question the capabilities of our leaders, I question more their nationalism and moral courage to steer this impoverished nation.

Dr. Mahathir of Malaysia was able to cancel at least $22.3 billion worth of China-funded projects in his country knowing full well that the acceptance of the same will drown them with Chinese debt they cannot afford to repay. This debt trap is what he calls as "new version of colonialism." Alas, the brave leaders of our country do not have the balls to do just this.
Many politicians and government officials do not have deep knowledge about the resilience of a country and are less careful in comparing potentials with threats. This could be due to exploiting personal interests and sacrificing the interests of groups or officials who do not have knowledge and experience.

China, which was showing its sharp power through the 5.0 colonialization, was actually greeted with warm hugs by many countries in the world, especially those who took financing from China in the OBOR program. What China is doing is copying exactly what America did when it moved its production lines to China in the 1990s. Who would have thought that a country that was originally known for its "imitating country" is now considered a great power and has the value of challenging America, and has even begun to shift America's dominance in trade and financing.

This is inseparable from Xi who is considered the father of innovation and continues to fight against the world. Xi has fired hundreds of thousands of corrupt party members and executed thousands of officials convicted of corruption. China also provides freedom in developing the economy for every Chinese citizen, with no rule. Even in the 1990s when economic reforms were carried out, copying was mandatory. Xi's Principle is against all world rules, and make his own rules boldly.

Forms of business in China tend to be heavy on state capitalism, the private sector is given the freedom to do business at home, but abroad is controlled by state-owned enterprises, which incidentally work for the Chinese communist party. China has a hegemony that is applied during the management of the region based on their economic strength, "economic approach". The countries that all are looking for are the same, namely countries that have raw materials, energy and a large population.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: molsewid on August 21, 2020, 10:18:27 AM
It could be just one small mistake on factory, i dont think that this really means something important

This is not a simple mistake in their factory. Many events like this already happening before like the posting banners of "Welcome to the Philippines, Province of China around Metro-Manila". Sadly our government treats this as a simple mistake and not a big deal. Big kudos to Manila Mayor Isko Moreno for what he did already in their establishment.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: arwin100 on August 21, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
It could be just one small mistake on factory, i dont think that this really means something important

This is not a simple mistake in their factory. Many events like this already happening before like the posting banners of "Welcome to the Philippines, Province of China around Metro-Manila". Sadly our government treats this as a simple mistake and not a big deal. Big kudos to Manila Mayor Isko Moreno for what he did already in their establishment.

I cannot call that a simple mistake since it's provoking to the people who are so sensitive with the issue, but we don't know the real story behind that since maybe there's someone sabotage the situation since we know how big the the issue and scope if it will came to china. But for sure the government is watching the situation and we know how smart the current administration handle things especially on bilateral relation.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Janation on August 21, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
The nerves!

I don't know what they are thinking but they are obviously taunting our country with this, in our faces, in our lands, they created this product and they call it the province of their country? I've already watched how Mayor Isko(Mayor of Manila) stood against this closing all those stores down even the address on that product. Now, what would the government do about it? Be silent?


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: FlightyPouch on August 21, 2020, 11:10:32 AM
See? A simple act of courage means a lot. I hope you now get what I mean.

"Oh yeah, that's fine. I know for sure it is just a mistake" is like what the spokesperson said. I don't get how they are so cool with it as China smearing all these taunts and insults to our faces. Our President says a lot of courageous and amazing things about defending West PH sea, stillright now nothing happened and they are just letting them smear all of that insults into our faces.

Just seen this video about Pres. Duterte "joking" about making our country as a province of China  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbpwAsVz7K4)


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: LogitechMouse on August 21, 2020, 11:24:32 AM
Didn't get surprised when I saw this on news :D and TBH I laughed a bit when I saw this.

I remember when they are getting Hongkong too and even Taiwan and our government is closely tied with the Chinese government. So close that they are just giving away the area where the Philippines is owning it like the West Philippine Sea and possibly the Spratly Islands too.

For sure if the government will react something about this, they will not say directly to the Chinese government but they will just say things like "They are just probably joking" or "Just don't take it seriously".


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Yaunfitda on August 21, 2020, 11:29:31 AM
It could be just one small mistake on factory, i dont think that this really means something important

This is not a simple mistake in their factory. Many events like this already happening before like the posting banners of "Welcome to the Philippines, Province of China around Metro-Manila". Sadly our government treats this as a simple mistake and not a big deal. Big kudos to Manila Mayor Isko Moreno for what he did already in their establishment.

I cannot call that a simple mistake since it's provoking to the people who are so sensitive with the issue, but we don't know the real story behind that since maybe there's someone sabotage the situation since we know how big the the issue and scope if it will came to china. But for sure the government is watching the situation and we know how smart the current administration handle things especially on bilateral relation.
I agree, how can they make this mistakes though? Philippines and China are two different countries. It might be that because the Philippine government is so welcoming to Chinese government, but still this is an insult to a sovereign nation such as the Philippines. And it look very bad for China, the bullying seems to be not just on the government but with the Chinese people as well. If the Philippine government allow this, then this could set a precedent.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Sanitough on August 21, 2020, 11:35:34 AM
Didn't get surprised when I saw this on news :D and TBH I laughed a bit when I saw this.
Same here, it's not really that serious as I know Philippines is not a province of China.
There was also a news before about some people who put a banner saying "Philippines province of China".

China is a good ally of our country, if we noticed, most of the richest people in our country are Chinese people, and most of the products that we are using are made in China.

Let's blame the manufacturer of the product, but actually it's no big deal.



Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: avikz on August 21, 2020, 12:44:23 PM
China is a big threat to the global peace! You think terrorism is bigger threat? No! The expansionist mentality of China is the biggest threat to global peace right at this moment! They have financially captured Pakistan, Nepal and Maldives and now trying to capture certain parts of India and Taiwan! Phillipines is probably the new addition to their hit list.

As an immediate action, we all should ban Chinese products from our lives! Stop using any type of Chinese services that is probably available at cheaper cost. Unless and until we remove China from our lives, someday our next generation will have to start learning Mandarin.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Lucius on August 21, 2020, 01:54:33 PM
I studied the situation on China-Philippines relations a bit and was not at all surprised when I read that the current president of the Philippines is actually for China, and against the USA. What is happening now is actually a diplomatic war between China-USA over who will actually control that area of the world. If you read the following some things become crystal clear :

In subsequent years, China pledged to invest in the Philippines through the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and to cooperate on achieving “joint exploration” of disputed waters in the South China Sea. However, Filipino mismanagement of the BRI and the inability of the two sides to see past their sovereignty disputes to conduct joint exploration left question marks hanging over the direction of bilateral ties. Then came an enormous geopolitical boost for China on February 11, 2020. On that day, Duterte decided to terminate the U.S.-Philippines Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA). The VFA enables, among other things, U.S. troops to freely enter and move around the country in support of a variety of military missions, including to deter and fight China in the South China Sea.

But due to pressure Duterte still postponed VFA termination, which means that the USA has much better methods of persuasion than the Chinese at the moment. I think the USA is waging a media war here in terms of intimidating Filipinos from possible Chinese claims to their territory.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Febo on August 21, 2020, 02:06:27 PM
Our country was called Province of China.

Man be happy. No import ad export taxes :)  Philippines and China economy will flourish because of this. Even the rest of the world will feel synergy effects.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on August 21, 2020, 02:14:26 PM
Why always chinese, it's already a slogan in my place. I hate them, I hate all product who made by them but like it or not there always a moment I use their product, that's the power of their product. Just afraid, if sometime that my country use their money to buy all stuff.



Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Lizzylove1 on August 21, 2020, 02:16:30 PM
Many developing nations will loss their sovereignty to China because of bad debts, China will hijack their economy and control the internal affairs and the will of China will be done. Why keep borrowing money and be relooting same borrowed money? Every nation must look for a way to fix their economy and develop without selling off their sovereignty.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: smyslov on August 21, 2020, 02:41:16 PM
Our country was called Province of China.

Man be happy. No import ad export taxes :)  Philippines and China economy will flourish because of this. Even the rest of the world will feel synergy effects.
Honestly I don't like dealing with the Chinese they are manipulative they lend a lot to countries so they cannot make a complaint if they meddle with internal affair of one country, look at what's happen in West Philippine sea, they claimed it as part of their territory when obviously it's not, they have their reason of their own to claim every territory.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Latviand on August 21, 2020, 03:03:42 PM
The product owner involved should be the only one to be questioned. There is no way China government will treat PH as a province, I mean if they do, we should have seen several cases like that in all Chinese products in Divisoria and Chinatown Binondo. Maybe those owners looked down at PH to the point that they listed it as a province on their product.

This is not the issue here, although it is only a one scenario, possibly that's the start of making them list the Philippines as a Province of China in their products. There's no way that they will make a mistake like that, don't tell us that they didn't do that unintentionally. That's obviously disrespectful.

Heck, you still have lots of corruption scandals in recent times in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Corruption scandals are never new in our country, as there are a lot of government officials who are just corrupting all of the people's money without doing and proper services to its country. Especially during this pandemic, people really need more financial help and still politicians are getting selfish and dumb about making laws regarding Covid-19 issues.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: mu_enrico on August 21, 2020, 03:07:46 PM
Unless and until we remove China from our lives, someday our next generation will have to start learning Mandarin.
I don't like CCP and their agenda, but not to that extreme mate. Chinese people are suffering because of this regime as well.
About CCP's agenda, I don't think they (even if Russia joins the coalition) will be victorious over the US, UK, and Israel if they want to start something stupid.



About this hair product, I think it's only a mistake by the packaging provider, it's made in China (just like everything else lol), but the brand is from Philippine. Contrary to popular belief, China isn't that strong to start poking here and there once all the privileges about trading removed.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: AniviaBtc on August 21, 2020, 03:23:33 PM
Nah, I don't think so. Only the Philippines is the country China can bully and it's so embarassing. They are disgracing us in our own land without even fighting back and it s*cks! And what I hate the lost is that our government only doing gentle response on all of the issues probably because they don't want a conflict but at what cost? They continue abusing us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not promoting war against them because I don't want it either. Obviously, we're on the losing side. But I just hope we can also do like what Vietnam (take this as reference (https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/vietnam-china-exchange-water-cannon-spray-near-disputed-oil-rig)) did, they stand for their rights and not afraid to resist despite of knowing that they're a third world country as well :(.

We can't really fight against China if our President is not accountable about his position in the government.

You will see in his stance that he has nothing to do about this issue, he have stated before that he don't want to hurt the feelings of China which is really disrespectful to us, his countrymen. People really did a huge mistake electing him as a president, he is not intelligent and wise enough to handle this kind of issue, no one is expecting that but that's not an excuse.

That's the reason why he stopped the connection between Philippines and America and rely on China which is really focusing on its land expansion and this issue is the proof for it.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: target on August 21, 2020, 03:32:04 PM

Actually the interest asked by China is very little compare to the interest when Phlippines ask loan from US.

But since the time of the previous 3 presidents in the Philipines, we already have huge debts from China. This is why The previous administrations had a deal with China about the isles in the exclusive economic zone (EEZ). The Chinese won't be going there if they have not been dealing way before the current president, in fact US didn't fight for Philipines because of that.

This "Made in Philipines Province in China" normally is a diversion of the Yellow Liberals when they are about to get busted with PhilHealth Issues.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: rodskee on August 21, 2020, 05:25:56 PM
Many developing nations will loss their sovereignty to China because of bad debts, China will hijack their economy and control the internal affairs and the will of China will be done.

This powerful nation really knows how to play well, doing things like this to penetrate to another countries
making them in control once the government bite their offers.
They are not firing any bombs but instead alluring every poor nations to lend with them and make it really
hard to payback, the outcome will always favoring them.

Why keep borrowing money and be relooting same borrowed money? Every nation must look for a way to fix their economy and develop without selling off their sovereignty.

Desperate and blindly being attracted of friendly approach coming from China, the leaders needs to think about it
as they soon realized after china already taking over of their sovereignties.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Yatsan on August 21, 2020, 05:40:58 PM
This news was already not new most specially for the Filipino people because this was not the first time that China have claimed Philippines to be its province because as far as I remember for the past months or I think years, a tarpaulin have been hanged up in a foot bridge in Manila stating that "Philippines Province of China" and still up until now authorities have no clue on who was responsible for creating such actions to be seen by many people for there is no witness or no CCTV was there to caught the person behind such act.

It was indeed brute for a third world country to be claimed as a province of a larger country because of the debts it have and such claiming seems to be bringing up the past of colonialism.

This issue have started when the China have started claiming Scarborough shoal that is located at the West Philippine Sea and the issue have been brought up in the international tribunal for the discussion on which Philippines have won. Despite of the fact, Chinese government have ignored the decision and still insisted the claiming of the island. No wonder why such big country is just underestimating a third world country like Philippines because they have no capacity to fight back. Even though that was the case, still it was rude to state a country to be a province of a bigger nation for it was stepping the rights of sovereign of a country by such act. Good thing the Mayor of Manila have put up an action and did not allow such ruthless act to be done on his city.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: avikz on August 21, 2020, 06:03:18 PM
Unless and until we remove China from our lives, someday our next generation will have to start learning Mandarin.
I don't like CCP and their agenda, but not to that extreme mate. Chinese people are suffering because of this regime as well.
About CCP's agenda, I don't think they (even if Russia joins the coalition) will be victorious over the US, UK, and Israel if they want to start something stupid.



About this hair product, I think it's only a mistake by the packaging provider, it's made in China (just like everything else lol), but the brand is from Philippine. Contrary to popular belief, China isn't that strong to start poking here and there once all the privileges about trading removed.

Common people usually don't want any kind of war. That's usually true for every country. It's always the ruler of the country who wants war and common people suffers due to the ruler's decisions. Chinese people, especially the religious minorities are going through a very tough time right now as the basic human rights are getting violated.

But internationally China is not in a very good position. They are lacking credibility in almost all segments to the international crowd due to the policies of the ruling party. For years, majority of western websites are banned in China. You can't even access them using VPN. It's time to strike back, digitally!


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: panganib999 on August 21, 2020, 10:44:30 PM
I have already heard and have read the news circulating around social media sites like Facebook and Twitter as well as into local news in television and what I can say is that this was the second time that the Chinese people have the guts to state or claim that Philippines is their province considering that it is really a country with own sovereign according to the law. It was rude to think how a big nation is belittling a third world country to claim it as their own just because of the help they have done plus the debts that the Philippines have owed from them.

This was not just the first time that this happen for this case have already happened through posting a tarpaulin in a public place and this time putting it into their beauty products. It was just so rude that they were running their businesses here but do not have enough respect to the Philippines calling it as their province. Good thing that the mayor of the city of Manila is the one to act on this issue with his tough personality to state that he is not a leader of any Chinese community because he is a mayor of the City of Manila which is the capital of Philippines.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Wawa2013 on August 21, 2020, 11:58:23 PM
I saw what China did by claiming that the Philippines is their province, indirectly triggering a war. And another thing that I can conclude
is that it is very clear that China is making money traps against a third world country such as the Philippines. Considering that the Philippines
has a debt to China, this means that China can do anything, including breaking the law. For me, what China has done by claiming that
the Philippines is their province, is breaking the law.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Kelvinid on August 22, 2020, 12:49:56 AM
I saw what China did by claiming that the Philippines is their province, indirectly triggering a war. And another thing that I can conclude
is that it is very clear that China is making money traps against a third world country such as the Philippines. Considering that the Philippines
has a debt to China, this means that China can do anything, including breaking the law. For me, what China has done by claiming that
the Philippines is their province, is breaking the law.
I don't think it was China government had used these firms to create such address Philippines a province of China or mistakenly write by the owners of the establishment. Though the Philippines have huge debts into China, it doesn't mean that they the rights, and they can do anything they want or their people who put a business in the Philippines should make that stupid thing which is a big insult. It is not really acceptable to every Filipino, and it is good how the Mayor on that particular place takes action immediately and sends them back where they come from.



Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: GDragon on August 22, 2020, 03:31:33 AM
Kind of sucks they are slowly trying to own us. Year 2018 when I realized that hundreds of restaurants and establishments in malls have a Chinese translation of their menu and restaurant name. I may understand if the restaurants are from China, however, even local restaurants have it. Condos are populated by Chinese nationals too. Pogo's are also an issue. Have you seen the animation film "Abominable" that shows a map of the Philippines but with the China's 9 dash map.

And no, it ain't a mistake, they are trying to slowly own us by using these cheap tricks. I am sure I am not the only one disappointed with how the national government handles this China-Philippines relationship.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: crzy on August 22, 2020, 03:51:01 AM
People in China are greedy as well, not just their government but most of their people are self-entitled and they think they are supreme above another nationality. I heard this news but I didn't react that much because I know our own government can't stand with it, and as expected they just called it as a joke. China is being aggressive nowadays, I hope bigger countries are well prepared for this and I'm still rooting for USA to defend nations around the ASEAN.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 22, 2020, 09:00:32 AM
I am also from the Philippines, and it make me upset because since the day our government gave away our island and started to borrow huge amount of loans in China. Chinese people who visit our country became so arrogant that they assume they could rule the Philippines and declaring it is now of their provinces.

https://www.facebook.com/nasdaily/videos/2566227483691521/

This video link that I have shared is from Nas Daily in Facebook, it showed me that a lot of countries are also struggling from Chinese loans. If countries don't have the ability to pay their loans, the Chinese government will take control of the infrastructure that they built with their Chinese loans. So I think this is also currently happening in the Philippines that Chinese are already taking over our infrastructures or our country as well.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: amishmanish on August 22, 2020, 09:01:01 AM
At least China knows you exist. (Joke).

--snip--
My belated point is: this could be plain ignorance on the part of the manufacturer. Some guy gave the address. Some guy couldn't figure out where Manila was, or some guy just put Made in China everywhere on everything they do.

Doesn't excuse them, but am just saying this particular incident could be less sinister than you think =) Sorry for the unpopular opinion.
I am pretty sure this is not such an innocent mistake buddy. The experience of being unrecognizable to the "main-landers" is echoed by people in India's North-Eastern states too. Just as in your case, internet and social media has bridged the gap a lot better.

And this is what is so insidious about China and CCP. They have become extremely adept at playing along the fault lines of other countries and societies. For example, India's eastern most state is called Arunachal Pradesh and China has long staked claim on the whole territory. So they keep doing subtle activities to stake their claim in the most innocuous of ways and wait for a reaction. For example, when a minister from that State had to go on an official visit to China, the chinese refused to give him a normal tourist visa saying, very innocently, that he didn't need one as he belongs to a state which already belongs to them. They continue to issue "stapled visas" to people hailing from the state of Arunachal Pradesh. They do this, despite bilateral talks at the highest level and their officials agreeing to take care of this.

They then go back and continue behaving in their typical deceitful and greedy manner to stake their claim innocently. As a lot of people in this thread are expressing, never ever trust the Chinese. To them, laying low to deceive the enemy is just a war tactic. There is nothing dishonorable or deceitful in their dictionary about it. Lot of westerners, particularly Australians who have seen greedy Chinese emptying supermarket shelves to sell stuff later will also stand testament to this. The Chinese people outside China are there to fill their pockets at any cost. Inside China, the CCP ensures full support as to its corporations by providing state support in dealing with private corporations in rest of the world.

Beware of the Chinese. They have plans far beyond COVID-19.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: thesmallgod on August 22, 2020, 10:56:58 AM
I hope Nigeria and other countries that run to china to borrow will learn from this. China is becoming wise and I have no doubt about the numerous report that they are working to become the power center of the world and no wonder they face a fierce battle with the United States of America. They pretend to borrow you money to grow your economy but they give this consent with agreements that will see them implementing the projects in those countries thereby developing their manpower and also providing jobs for their numerous citizens


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Salauddin1994 on August 22, 2020, 11:44:12 AM
As China is a very strong and developed country they want to bring everything under their control. China wants to rule the world as a king but no government will support it. Hong Kong and Macau are under China. But these two regions have a special status as autonomous regions but it will not be called a province of China. The United States has said it will resist the "political correctness" that China is trying to impose on US companies and citizens.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Febo on August 22, 2020, 11:49:30 AM
Honestly I don't like dealing with the Chinese they are manipulative they lend a lot to countries so they cannot make a complaint if they meddle with internal affair of one country, look at what's happen in West Philippine sea, they claimed it as part of their territory when obviously it's not, they have their reason of their own to claim every territory.

LOL lend?  You dont need to borrow money if you dont want to. Problem is that last 50 years and more we are in this debt economy. Luckily we have Bitcoin to save us.

Chinese language dont have word for foreigners. They only have a word fro visitors. Everyone that is not Chinese is a visitor in China. This is their 4000 years culture that will not change. They know they are and always were  center of the world.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: GDragon on August 22, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
I am also from the Philippines, and it make me upset because since the day our government gave away our island and started to borrow huge amount of loans in China. Chinese people who visit our country became so arrogant that they assume they could rule the Philippines and declaring it is now of their provinces.

https://www.facebook.com/nasdaily/videos/2566227483691521/

This video link that I have shared is from Nas Daily in Facebook, it showed me that a lot of countries are also struggling from Chinese loans. If countries don't have the ability to pay their loans, the Chinese government will take control of the infrastructure that they built with their Chinese loans. So I think this is also currently happening in the Philippines that Chinese are already taking over our infrastructures or our country as well.

Same, I had a lot of experience with some of the Chinese nationals near my place, I am not saying all of them but the place is so populated by them that they are violating rules but authorities let them pass just because they are Chinese, they treat them different to the locals. Some are hard headed even in complying to the simple rule of no smoking. I felt like I am in a different country.

We are not asking for a war, we are asking for resistance from the government, punish the wrong doings, cause news are always telling that everything China and some of its citizend do, the government say its alright cause China and Philippines are friends. What the actual fuck kind of friendship is that.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: shoreno on August 22, 2020, 12:48:16 PM
I am also worried to see countries that have debts to China. China has a desire to be the most developed and successful country than any other country. we should be able to make our own country a developed country without the help of other countries. I think China wants to colonize other countries in the economic field, if there are already many countries that owe to China then China can control the country or at least China can take over the economy of the country that owes it.
it was sad to hear a country that has a debt to the other country but that is proudful  because they do anything to help thier economy continue . we shouldnt hate china for that but we must thank them because they still have a heart that they help countries that are in need  .

 not only china but all country has an ambition to become the best  , theres no problem with that .  what i dont like is when they threaten the other  . thats not a fair competition anymore


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: AicecreaME on August 22, 2020, 12:51:13 PM
Our country is called province of china

This is a direct insult to us, Filipinos to be called and labeled province of China.

For those of you who aren’t updated, recently, it was all over the news that a haircare product made in Binondo, Manila namely Ashley Shine Keratin Treatment Deep Repair put on its packaging that it was made in Manila, Province of China.

It was a big disrespect to our sovereignty by putting such listing on the product. Majority know how our president is closely connected and pushing the ties between our lands and China. He even made a joke in front of audiences that our country is indeed province of china. No wonder these chinese have the audacity to label us as such.

I commend the Mayor of Manila for taking a stand of his principles and beliefs and by taking necessary actions of the said incident. According to the news, the two Chinese nationals would be deported back to their country.

Aside from having this recent incident, it also happened before. When you search at the location on facebook, Philippines is also listed as Province of China.

https://i.ibb.co/t8W9PZv/received-3389999814557702.jpg (https://ibb.co/D5SZgGv)
geo visualizer (https://geojsonlint.com/)

Chinese are really moving aggressively into colonizing the third world countries including us, Taiwan, Vietnam, and Hong Kong. China is known to be land grabbing opportunist as well as debt trappers. They already made infrastructures to West Philippines Sea amidst the pandemic crisis. It was ours, but they’re the ones utilizing the oil and marine life there. They won’t even let our fishermen fish to our territory.

It would be better if our country and leader would take a stand and  would not defend, tolerate, nor let them get away with bullying our country and people.

Our ancestors didn’t fight for our freedom and independence just to be humiliated, called and labeled “Philippines, Province of China”.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: justdimin on August 23, 2020, 03:49:20 PM
China has always wanted more and more lands and they are not afraid of doing anything they can to make it work but they are doing one thing wrong that they should have not, spilling over to other nations. Now what I am going to say may not sound so great, but it is a factual truth.

Remember Hitler? He killed 6 million Jewish people and the world was like "well if you keep doing this in few years we will be upset about it" and that's it, the moment they started to attack other nations? It was game on and everyone strike back. Remember Pol Pot? Dude killed millions and died in his sleep, remember Mao? Starved 20 million of his own man, died peacefully. As you can see if you do stuff to your own nation nobody cares, but the moment you attack other nations like this it is going to be a big war.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Emitdama on August 24, 2020, 04:48:37 PM
Given the chance China would claim that everywhere belongs to china. I get that historically speaking they could have a lot more places they used to own, and that is why I do understand that they want to get those lands back and unfortunately this is not just China neither, but it makes zero sense just because there is a map of old days you can't just ask for the same lands once again.

Look at Greece and their megali idea or whatever it is called, they want more lands from Macedonia and turkey, look at Israel and Palestine thing, look at USA and basically all the oil lands in the world :D.

If that was the case, Italy would be huuuuuge, roman empire was insanely big, that is not the case anymore, China can't request lands they used to have, that is not how modern politics works.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: rodskee on August 24, 2020, 05:14:34 PM
Given the chance China would claim that everywhere belongs to china. I get that historically speaking they could have a lot more places they used to own, and that is why I do understand that they want to get those lands back and unfortunately this is not just China neither, but it makes zero sense just because there is a map of old days you can't just ask for the same lands once again.

Look at Greece and their megali idea or whatever it is called, they want more lands from Macedonia and turkey, look at Israel and Palestine thing, look at USA and basically all the oil lands in the world :D.

If that was the case, Italy would be huuuuuge, roman empire was insanely big, that is not the case anymore, China can't request lands they used to have, that is not how modern politics works.

I like this Idea if those things from the past can easily be claimed now for sure many rich empires will
do the same as what China is trying to do now.
It's no longer accepted as territory are been given now to each countries even ow small it is they have
international rights to claimed what the law declared to be for them.
China is not exempt they should follow the same laws, they are trying to manipulate things in terms of
letting poor countries to lend and that debts will be use to abuse the countries territorial rights.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Kasabus on August 24, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
I am also worried to see countries that have debts to China. China has a desire to be the most developed and successful country than any other country. we should be able to make our own country a developed country without the help of other countries. I think China wants to colonize other countries in the economic field, if there are already many countries that owe to China then China can control the country or at least China can take over the economy of the country that owes it.
it was sad to hear a country that has a debt to the other country but that is proudful  because they do anything to help thier economy continue . we shouldnt hate china for that but we must thank them because they still have a heart that they help countries that are in need  .

 not only china but all country has an ambition to become the best  , theres no problem with that .  what i dont like is when they threaten the other  . thats not a fair competition anymore
China is said to be helpful to those countries who are badly needed particularly in money concerns but they should not be tolerated in their bad intentions to win over other country's economy. What is happening now is totally an insult to the Filipinos and hopefully this will serve a lesson for us especially the country's leaders that we should not always rely for other countries for our own country's survival but rather prove to them that we can do it on our own.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: exstasie on August 24, 2020, 11:56:33 PM
Our country is called province of china

This is a direct insult to us, Filipinos to be called and labeled province of China.

For those of you who aren’t updated, recently, it was all over the news that a haircare product made in Binondo, Manila namely Ashley Shine Keratin Treatment Deep Repair put on its packaging that it was made in Manila, Province of China.

It was a big disrespect to our sovereignty by putting such listing on the product.

It's just the packaging on a product. What's the sovereignty issue? Are you relating this to the spats in the South China Sea?

It would be better if our country and leader would take a stand and  would not defend, tolerate, nor let them get away with bullying our country and people.

Our ancestors didn’t fight for our freedom and independence just to be humiliated, called and labeled “Philippines, Province of China”.

The foreign ministry did lodge a diplomatic protest and made various accusations against China regarding the recent fishing boat incident, though I'm not sure what that entails (if anything) in practice. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/philippines-minister-accuses-china-south-china-sea-claims-13047468

What do you want from Duterte, war in the South China Sea?


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Assface16678 on August 25, 2020, 05:34:26 AM
The Philippines are one of the other country fallen on the Chinese money trap and right now the Philippines has one of the largest debt on China so the things they do now is allowing to have establishment came from China right now.
According to the Mayor of Manila, they already restricted the name of the product and the company of it to this kind of disrespect.

I think they are doing this just to fun too because there is a lot of rumors that the Philippines is a province of China because they already give up one of their islands.


China is not exempt they should follow the same laws, they are trying to manipulate things in terms of
letting poor countries to lend and that debts will be use to abuse the countries territorial rights.

Because of their power and a lot of money, they are just allowing some country just to make a loan to them and afterward if they cannot pay all of that debt just having a peaceful transaction

So you can't pay your debt let us handle some part of your country.

As a country that cannot pay a large amount all the things they need are to allow them.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: samputin on August 25, 2020, 06:39:51 AM
Looking at the situation, I think we should not take this issue in general.

The product owner involved should be the only one to be questioned. There is no way China government will treat PH as a province, I mean if they do, we should have seen several cases like that in all Chinese products in Divisoria and Chinatown Binondo. Maybe those owners looked down at PH to the point that they listed it as a province on their product.

No, there have been some cases already that China is calling the Philippines as one of their provinces which is a great insult for every Philippine citizen. <...>
Yep, this isn't the first time Manila or Philippines was called the province of China. There was even a banner placed on one of the city's bridge.[1] Even if it isn't the first time, it's still hurtful for me as a citizen to see such kind of disrespectful act. I know our country has been in partnership with them because our President thinks that it's beneficial but this is too much. There are tons of Chinese here in our country already. Actually, here in our province, I think the businesses owned by Chinese are more successful than those owned by my fellow citizens. But just because that's the situation doesn't mean that we're not a country anymore and just their province.


[1]https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/philippines-province-of-china-banner-manila-e1531381061200.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1600&h=900&crop=1


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Janation on August 25, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
So you can't pay your debt let us handle some part of your country.

As a country that cannot pay a large amount all the things they need are to allow them.

As far as I know, we have a comment about this on the government.

It goes like our country will never fall to this trick by China. As far as I know, that is a financial officer and that means they knew about it and they have a way to go against it. I don't think that our government is that stupid to make a loan without thinking about the consequences of it, they even made a statement about it means they are ready for it.

Edit : https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/05/11/19/ph-will-never-fall-into-china-debt-trap-says-finance-officials


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: yohananaomi on August 26, 2020, 09:42:50 AM
the matter of borrowing and borrowing from one country to another often occurs and it is not a strange thing, there could even be reciprocity that occurs from such borrowing, such as providing exploitation of some existing natural resources because it is also technologically not controlled and given to them. but this is a common thing and is commonplace in countries that are indeed in debt. because the reciprocal of borrowing debt is to provide controlled assets. because that may be the best way that can be done, but by freely controlling the land and its contents, it is certainly not justified that we must respect the sovereignty of the state that has assets.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: goaldigger on August 26, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
So you can't pay your debt let us handle some part of your country.

As a country that cannot pay a large amount all the things they need are to allow them.

As far as I know, we have a comment about this on the government.

It goes like our country will never fall to this trick by China. As far as I know, that is a financial officer and that means they knew about it and they have a way to go against it. I don't think that our government is that stupid to make a loan without thinking about the consequences of it, they even made a statement about it means they are ready for it.

Edit : https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/05/11/19/ph-will-never-fall-into-china-debt-trap-says-finance-officials
Our debts are well diversified and China will never invade our country because our people are awake and the government can’t afford to have another EDSA Revolution. This topic spread in the whole country and kudos to those who acted fast and force those businesses to their closure. We have to stand for our own territory just like many countries in Asia protecting their own nation against the invader and greedy country.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: MCobian on August 26, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
Even though I am not a citizen of the Philippines, I am very much against what the company of China has done.
In fact, it is only natural for a country with a good economy like China to lend money to other countries that need it.
But the problem is when the countries that are given loans have difficulty paying and China has the power to control
some of them territory of the country. I am sure the Philippine government will do everything it can to protect its
country from the money traps that have been made by China.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: plr on August 26, 2020, 05:20:29 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Wab2ycP.png


This is where it starts and soon, we will see more products from China that labels the Philippines as a Province of China.

The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: dimonstration on August 26, 2020, 05:36:43 PM
The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
They should know where they are and belong, we can't deny that many businesses are owned by Chinese that makes them think this way but it's not enough to let them publish things just because they want or own what is not from them. The locals should avoid using the products they produce, locals better support the locals first before the other nation to not be treated this way. Fipinos should learn from this issue to strive harder in life to be the owner of a company or not a forever worker of other nation.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: target on August 26, 2020, 06:11:49 PM
The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
They should know where they are and belong, we can't deny that many businesses are owned by Chinese that makes them think this way but it's not enough to let them publish things just because they want or own what is not from them. The locals should avoid using the products they produce, locals better support the locals first before the other nation to not be treated this way. Fipinos should learn from this issue to strive harder in life to be the owner of a company or not a forever worker of other nation.

Not buying thier products is not possible. All products in the world are made in China even the phones and computers you are using today are made in China.

I wouldn't be upset if what they claim is not true though. Its not china that claimed Philippines as their province but just the companies owned by FIlipinos too. History says that China had been owning places in the Philippines long before the Spanish came here but they didn't resist when Spain colonized Philipines.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 26, 2020, 06:33:29 PM
The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
They should know where they are and belong, we can't deny that many businesses are owned by Chinese that makes them think this way but it's not enough to let them publish things just because they want or own what is not from them. The locals should avoid using the products they produce, locals better support the locals first before the other nation to not be treated this way. Fipinos should learn from this issue to strive harder in life to be the owner of a company or not a forever worker of other nation.

Not buying thier products is not possible. All products in the world are made in China even the phones and computers you are using today are made in China.

I wouldn't be upset if what they claim is not true though. Its not china that claimed Philippines as their province but just the companies owned by Filipinos too. History says that China had been owning places in the Philippines long before the Spanish came here but they didn't resist when Spain colonized Philipines.

Yeah all of their products are already on the whole world, and even hardware that is commonly used came from them. China has a lot and good manufacturers in the electronics industry so I doubt that we can avoid their products, even west countries are buying some hardware from China.

Chinese people are very brilliant, they are good at innovating and remodelling things to make another one that can be a trend in the market. According to WIPO, they have a lot of patents recently because of their innovations so definitely all of the markets existing in the world have Chinese products.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: blockman on August 26, 2020, 09:58:18 PM
I'm worried about the China debt trap. I'm always a pro-government as I have nothing to do with it but support whoever is in the administration. But this starts to give worry for most people just like me whether I support them or not. Our country can't do anything on it as it's been said by the president that we can't go on war against China.

The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
Our government is being attacked as well by the opposite party. Since the new administration started, there were too many diversed attacks through media just to make the current admin as bad. Welp, they don't have to do it now as we're seeing it in our eyes that we can't do anything against China. But this labelling of the product could also be another diverse attack.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: ultrloa on August 26, 2020, 11:55:08 PM
I'm worried about the China debt trap. I'm always a pro-government as I have nothing to do with it but support whoever is in the administration. But this starts to give worry for most people just like me whether I support them or not.

I'm pro government also but I'm not against with those debt came from china as long as we can pay those debts there's nothing to worry about the debt trap. And those trappings will happen if corrupt officials will sit on the position since for sure they will not care about paying the debts and they will care to fill there own pockets.


Our country can't do anything on it as it's been said by the president that we can't go on war against China.

It's true and that's sad reality, Its a fault of the past administration that they didn't even look to improve the machinery for national defense and the only thing we can do for now is to settle all things and became friendly to other nation especially to china. Hopefully on next election we can elect a strong leader that will focus on this issue and improve our defense and in economic aspects.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: LogitechMouse on August 27, 2020, 01:15:51 AM
Days before the Presidential Spokesperson share the president's thoughts about this incident, I predicted already what they will say and it is true :D.
"To me that’s nonsense. We should not be paying any attention to that" this is what he said: =https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK (http://=https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK) (Warning not english).

We mustn't get any attention to these kind of shitty things being done by the Chinese to us. We know already that we aren't a province of China. They can get other countries like Hongkong and even Taiwan but not PH.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: lienfaye on August 27, 2020, 04:22:53 AM
"To me that’s nonsense. We should not be paying any attention to that" this is what he said: =https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK (http://=https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK) (Warning not english).
What can we expect? The current administration are friend of china.
Its not surprising to see them ignoring or not making it a big deal.
Even our own islands are invading by chinese, it seems fine to them.
Different from what the president said when he is still running for that position.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Zackgeno96 on August 27, 2020, 05:30:08 AM
"To me that’s nonsense. We should not be paying any attention to that" this is what he said: =https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK (http://=https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK) (Warning not english).
What can we expect? The current administration are friend of china.
Its not surprising to see them ignoring or not making it a big deal.
Even our own islands are invading by chinese, it seems fine to them.
Different from what the president said when he is still running for that position.

China is trying to invade everyone around its borders, it have already acquired Tibet and was going towards India in the past month but that conflict is still going on and there is still no result of that conflict. Nepal is now supporting China in its actions on India and it even passed a conflicted map that was acquiring the area of the Indian territory in the Nepal region. So, this has been the policy of china from a very long time to acquire the neighbouring lands and always having border conflicts here and there, they don't even want Hong Kong to become a separate country for which its youth is protesting from a very long period of time.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 27, 2020, 11:38:16 PM
I'm worried about the China debt trap. I'm always a pro-government as I have nothing to do with it but support whoever is in the administration. But this starts to give worry for most people just like me whether I support them or not. Our country can't do anything on it as it's been said by the president that we can't go on war against China.

The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
Our government is being attacked as well by the opposite party. Since the new administration started, there were too many diversed attacks through media just to make the current admin as bad. Welp, they don't have to do it now as we're seeing it in our eyes that we can't do anything against China. But this labelling of the product could also be another diverse attack.
Well, it happens every time if there's a thing that must be call out because of incompetency, then they should face those attacks. Also, normal citizens are also hoping for the government to be competent in situations such as pandemic because many are not in favor of the current administration's decision for the country.

The idea is good but it is not that easy since the current leader is trying to make friends with China.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: raidarksword on August 28, 2020, 03:47:56 PM
In my opinion, china will always be a bully in many ways, always wants to own everything they like and interested with like islands, natural resources even country they want to conquer special mention to Philippines. They always act they are above all, that's why they are very confident to  do this stuff within the terrority of Philippines. This issue was already solved and the business store was already closed down by the manila mayor and that's the good news for it.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: GDragon on August 28, 2020, 04:57:11 PM

The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.

I honestly doubt the government can do that, we are so buried in debt and they don't want a heated argument with China. Have you notice that Chinese people here are sometimes more privilege than the local ones. Even the case of Pogo's continuing despite the pandemic. Its very visible that the government are now friendly with China cause they already talked about this. They can't show their fangs today even though they promise it during elections. We should always voice out our opinion about this dispute, cause if we citizens stop voicing out, I'm sure owning the country will be very easy.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Silberman on August 29, 2020, 05:26:28 PM
I already saw this happening from miles away. The president of the Philippines has long been associating itself closely with China, and has even asked for lots of loans to fund for their infrastructure and development project. While the project in itself isn't an issue, the debt and whom it came from is. The Chinese has long been notorious in setting up debt traps on developing nations to gain quite a sizable share of the natural resources of a country, or even some part of the nation's land in order to use it for their own gain. This can be considered as conquering other countries through means of non-violent actions, in this case debt traps. I will not be surprised if the Philippines will be under the said situation in a few years time given that the current president isn't really doing anything right in regards to this matter.

Heck, you still have lots of corruption scandals in recent times in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.
While I agree at the same time this was to be expected, this is why I personally avoid debt as much as possible because whoever you owe owns you, after all it is obvious that the Chinese government is going to set up very favorable conditions in order to give those loans, they are not going to give money to anyone unless they win in whichever case it comes to happen, if they are repaid the loan then they're happy because they earned some money but if they are not repaid the loan then those countries will have to suffer the penalties imposed by China and the worst part is that all of that will be legal because they signed that contract specifying the conditions of what will happen if they default the loan.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: blockman on August 29, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
I'm pro government also but I'm not against with those debt came from china as long as we can pay those debts there's nothing to worry about the debt trap. And those trappings will happen if corrupt officials will sit on the position since for sure they will not care about paying the debts and they will care to fill there own pockets.
The other countries which loaned money from China got into debt trap meaning, they have to give favor to China by building infrastructures and letting them own a portion of their land or if not owned, allowing them to operate based from the likes of their rule. Those debts will be entirely paid for a long time through the next generations.


It's true and that's sad reality, Its a fault of the past administration that they didn't even look to improve the machinery for national defense and the only thing we can do for now is to settle all things and became friendly to other nation especially to china. Hopefully on next election we can elect a strong leader that will focus on this issue and improve our defense and in economic aspects.
I don't want to play the blame game. I'm not red or yellow and like the both us, we do support whichever is on the sit because we can't do anything against it but just to support the good things that they do. There are also arguments that we can be against with but we will never be heard from that. I'm also leaning for the next election but I'm not blind with the accomplishments of the administration and its past administrations.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: dondonk on August 30, 2020, 08:16:54 AM
I think it might be a typo, because according to the label, the product is indeed made in China, and is manufactured for Elegant Fumes Beauty Products Inc. located in Manila. I don't deny the money trap. but if the context is the product label, there may be a need for an explanation from the company.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on August 30, 2020, 01:17:24 PM
I think it might be a typo, because according to the label, the product is indeed made in China, and is manufactured for Elegant Fumes Beauty Products Inc. located in Manila. I don't deny the money trap. but if the context is the product label, there may be a need for an explanation from the company.

It looks like an unintentional typo. But at the same time, for products which are meant to be exported outside China, they should be more careful about the labeling. They can give excuses such as lack of English knowledge of the staff, but this is not going to go well in the Philippines. Just a few months back, both the nations had a small skirmish in the South China sea.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: abhiseshakana on August 30, 2020, 01:57:27 PM
The other countries which loaned money from China got into debt trap meaning, they have to give favor to China by building infrastructures and letting them own a portion of their land or if not owned, allowing them to operate based from the likes of their rule. Those debts will be entirely paid for a long time through the next generations.

Always remember China, copying, modifying, innovating. Copying was once a necessity in China, but from this habit of imitating China became superior. Remember imitating not following. China prefers to bind many countries through OBOR with long-term infrastructure investments with the aim of binding those countries together. China doesn't want to make the mistakes that the United States did in the 90s. America moved much of its manufacturing to China and exploited cheap, skilled Chinese labor, without tying China up, so China broke free and is now a trade competitor to the United States.

Debt Trap is not only carried out by China but also by the IMF, world banks and other financial institutions. Dollar & IMF is a dynamic duo, coupled with import habits and dependence on causing a country to become increasingly entangled in debt. OBOR is the 5.0 colonial flag offered by China, namely development without significant growth which actually benefits China because OBOR partner countries have to pay tribute to China. So statesmen must think about instruments so that they do not fall under the IMF or OBOR, aka becoming a sovereign country.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: FlightyPouch on August 30, 2020, 10:08:22 PM
I think it might be a typo, because according to the label, the product is indeed made in China, and is manufactured for Elegant Fumes Beauty Products Inc. located in Manila. I don't deny the money trap. but if the context is the product label, there may be a need for an explanation from the company.

It looks like an unintentional typo. But at the same time, for products which are meant to be exported outside China, they should be more careful about the labeling. They can give excuses such as lack of English knowledge of the staff, but this is not going to go well in the Philippines. Just a few months back, both the nations had a small skirmish in the South China sea.

Well, unintentional or intentional these products did not went to the correct process and that is why it is so great that the Mayor of Manila, Mayor Isko, closed down the stores selling them and making them though we doesn't know if these stores knew that to start with. We are still in pandemic and I think we should focus on that right now. We are breaking records of cases.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: tippytoes on August 30, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
I think it might be a typo, because according to the label, the product is indeed made in China, and is manufactured for Elegant Fumes Beauty Products Inc. located in Manila. I don't deny the money trap. but if the context is the product label, there may be a need for an explanation from the company.

It looks like an unintentional typo. But at the same time, for products which are meant to be exported outside China, they should be more careful about the labeling. They can give excuses such as lack of English knowledge of the staff, but this is not going to go well in the Philippines. Just a few months back, both the nations had a small skirmish in the South China sea.

Well, unintentional or intentional these products did not went to the correct process and that is why it is so great that the Mayor of Manila, Mayor Isko, closed down the stores selling them and making them though we doesn't know if these stores knew that to start with. We are still in pandemic and I think we should focus on that right now. We are breaking records of cases.

Because if this company get their necessary permits and licenses, they will not release the mislabeled packaging. Because it will be corrected by the government authority. It is good that it has been exposed as I believe there are a lot of these companies that are intentionally having that kind of label to mislead people. And also, they are operating their business without paying necessary taxes as they don't have the permits in the first place.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: ecnalubma on August 30, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
I think it might be a typo, because according to the label, the product is indeed made in China, and is manufactured for Elegant Fumes Beauty Products Inc. located in Manila. I don't deny the money trap. but if the context is the product label, there may be a need for an explanation from the company.

It looks like an unintentional typo. But at the same time, for products which are meant to be exported outside China, they should be more careful about the labeling. They can give excuses such as lack of English knowledge of the staff, but this is not going to go well in the Philippines. Just a few months back, both the nations had a small skirmish in the South China sea.
Geography is basic, so I believed it’s intentional and its no excuse glad that the mayor of the city shutdown the business immediately after the disrespectful violation also some believe that the particular business is illegal which also goes under investigation.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: ArIMy11 on August 31, 2020, 02:16:19 PM

News is that the beauty company of China listed the Philippines as one of its provinces (see picture above), which is a major disrespect and insult to us. After China has claimed some of our islands even we won at the international court :-\, news that we are a province of China is spreading around our country.

Lately I am not not updated to the news. I really don't the reason why Manila Mayor said that he was not a Governor of China, he is the mayor of Manila Philippines but upon reading this topic I guess this is the reason. I've conducted my research and yes my conclusion is correct.
Link : https://mobile.twitter.com/iskomoreno/status/1296395730169425923
Another news from manila.gov.ph, Mayor also said that Manila has never been a part of China.
During the current time, we all know how powerful China is. I am also not hearing any positive cases from them. So I think abobe us all they have the good economic flow. They have alot of money to lend. Sometimes I want to believe that this virus is truely the weapon of China not only to US but to the world. Due to that, they will be most powerful country and can take what they want.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: mezzaluna on August 31, 2020, 02:30:20 PM
That actually really sucks but feels good to know that people behind this scheme got deported to their mainland. It was really a low-blow for the people living beside their own houses because they know that they are still living in Manila, Philippines and not as a province of China. I hope that the government takes it seriously since Manila is located on where Malacañang is placed. Its an obvious disrespect to the government but its a good call by the Mayor of Manila to deport them.

Philippines is surely gonna take more hits starting from now and that will really be reflected on the economical status of the country. People are tired of waiting of a plan that was made by other countries possible to mitigate the effects of the Corona Virus but sadly, Philippines's government really sucks to take actions.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Silberman on September 03, 2020, 06:36:21 PM
Debt Trap is not only carried out by China but also by the IMF, world banks and other financial institutions. Dollar & IMF is a dynamic duo, coupled with import habits and dependence on causing a country to become increasingly entangled in debt. OBOR is the 5.0 colonial flag offered by China, namely development without significant growth which actually benefits China because OBOR partner countries have to pay tribute to China. So statesmen must think about instruments so that they do not fall under the IMF or OBOR, aka becoming a sovereign country.
Debt traps are everywhere, not only countries and institutions are offered that trap but every single person around the world and unfortunately people keep falling in it all the time, personally I have been offered many credit cars in the past and I have always rejected the offers as I know that the bank will not be offering them unless they stood to gain something from it and when you add that I have seen the lives of many people ruined by debt then it makes sense I avoid it, and yet countries do not seem to be able to apply such simple experiences to the way they govern their people when it will be the citizens the ones to suffer because of this.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: Sapphire915 on September 04, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
This is so disgusting. Shame on China to call and claimed Manila as one of their provinces. It is just right that the Mayor in Manila made a lot of investigations about the said chinese company and banned their business to operate here. They've really done so much illegal businesses and unreasonable claims in our country, after making us all fallen in their trap. I wonder why the highest leaders are still continuing the old friendship we had with China where after all, i guess we Filipinos can absolutely live up and restore our economy without them. If i were only them, I will never get in touch nor engaged my country to anything with this deceitful Chinese and will definitely send them all back to their homeland. But sadly, its impossible. For we already had big debts from China and with our entire life since the old age, we are using their products day and night and we can't deny it.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: carriebee on September 04, 2020, 04:15:37 PM
I’ve heard this news that China called Philippines as their province. This is disrespectful to many Filipino citizens and it's obvious that our President is close to China’s President. Although the President of the Philippines is building a good camaraderie to China since there's a huge debt to them. This is really debatable issue even others that have positioned in the government doesn't have an actions yet to what was happened.


Title: Re: Our country was called Province of China.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on September 04, 2020, 04:35:01 PM
The other countries which loaned money from China got into debt trap meaning, they have to give favor to China by building infrastructures and letting them own a portion of their land or if not owned, allowing them to operate based from the likes of their rule. Those debts will be entirely paid for a long time through the next generations.
Always remember China, copying, modifying, innovating. Copying was once a necessity in China, but from this habit of imitating China became superior. Remember imitating not following. China prefers to bind many countries through OBOR with long-term infrastructure investments with the aim of binding those countries together. China doesn't want to make the mistakes that the United States did in the 90s. America moved much of its manufacturing to China and exploited cheap, skilled Chinese labor, without tying China up, so China broke free and is now a trade competitor to the United States.
As long as a product can be modified, it will innovate it until it becomes another product. In that way, it makes China have more power and have a lot of manufacturers across the world. Most of the products existed are made of china and no one in Asia can compete on them.

I’ve heard this news that China called Philippines as their province. This is disrespectful to many Filipino citizens and it's obvious that our President is close to China’s President. Although the President of the Philippines is building a good camaraderie to China since there's a huge debt to them. This is really debatable issue even others that have positioned in the government doesn't have an actions yet to what was happened.
China's president is obviously using our president to make an easy pathway of conquering our country. So disrespectful but no one in the higher officials react into this, only the local government reacts and done a good job of deporting those manufacturers back to china.