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Title: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: mirakal on October 10, 2020, 09:49:52 AM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: dothebeats on October 10, 2020, 10:00:58 AM
I try to stay away from platforms that does not cater to my country, so as to avoid the long and arduous journey of getting back my money should I invested or won some hefty sum on the said platform. Other people get around this regional or country restrictions by using VPNs or proxies where the platform caters to, though the risk of getting caught is still high even though you have your proxies and VPNs set properly.

But if the platform offers something unique for the experience and is really worth trying, I might try and deposit a couple bucks to try it for myself, and maybe that's it, mainly to satisfy my curiosity on the platform in question.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: crwth on October 10, 2020, 10:07:13 AM
If you are going to be worried about gambling because your country doesn't allow you to, then I suggest you don't gamble at all.

Most of the casinos try to make everything as legal as possible because the future of that kind of company is brighter than an illegal one. If the member lives in a country that doesn't allow them, it's the law not to let them play.

Maybe if they try to find a casino that accepts VPN and doesn't care about where you live anywhere in the world, that's the site. But I'm afraid there's always a risk when playing in a casino like that. Maybe unexpected closing of the site or scam. It's sad.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Maslate on October 10, 2020, 10:40:02 AM
If you are going to be worried about gambling because your country doesn't allow you to, then I suggest you don't gamble at all.
I think that is hard to find for a gambler, as a gambler we will find a way to gamble even if gambling is illegal in our country, but we will have to take the risk, and this is a high risk based on what OP has explained as a possibility.

Most of the casinos try to make everything as legal as possible because the future of that kind of company is brighter than an illegal one. If the member lives in a country that doesn't allow them, it's the law not to let them play.

Maybe if they try to find a casino that accepts VPN and doesn't care about where you live anywhere in the world, that's the site. But I'm afraid there's always a risk when playing in a casino like that. Maybe unexpected closing of the site or scam. It's sad.
I haven't heard a casino publicly saying that they are accepting VPN as it's normal for some people who use VPN to maintain their privacy, but the moment you failed to comply with the KYC requirement when they ask for it, that's the risk their IMO.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Insanerman on October 10, 2020, 10:41:44 AM
However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

TBH I'm really against those users that have been accessing and playing gambling sites that they already know prohibited to their country. It's like you know it shouldn't be done yet you'd insist but in the end if you had a problem you'll be crying and blaming things and even accuse the platform you're using. We should always be gamble responsively in a way that we must respect the prohibition of certain gambling platforms. It isn't really a good practive to use VPN just to access restricted gambling platforms. As a gambler, I do suggest a disciplinary action on users who insist doing such activities, mostly users here in forum. It wasn't just right, never right at all.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Finestream on October 10, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
As a gambler, I do suggest a disciplinary action on users who insist doing such activities, mostly users here in forum. It wasn't just right, never right at all.

Damn, that was so harsh, how can we even do that, we are in a forum where we are just using a forum name, in short we are anonymous, so it's not going to happen, and also, I believe everyone is responsible enough when making such action, so if they'll do it despite the fact they know it's illegal, then for sure they are ready to face the consequences.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Mauser on October 10, 2020, 10:47:49 AM
In my country gambling is legal, you need to be 18 to either gamble in a physical casino or online. Since I am already quite old this is not a problem for me. I also had never issues with kyc or verifying myself at online casinos. I know a few people from the states who play online poker and had issues with finding websites where they can play. Most of them actually moved to Canada just to be able to gamble online without problems.

So I can't really give you sound legal advice how to gamble. But personally I would be very cautious if gambling was not allowed in your country. Its mostly your duty to follow the laws. Sure the casino needs to do it too, but since gambling is already illegal what bad can happen for the casino? They are already banned. Can't get much worse than that. Just imagine you win really big in the casino and they just block your account when trying to withdraw? Without legal status all the risks are with you.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: shoreno on October 10, 2020, 11:08:02 AM
why will they complain when its thier fault in fact on why thier accounts got locked up because of country violation but the site do also have a problem with it . why cant they just block the ip that are coming from those country and to the people that uses a vpn too but is that possible ? idk if there is some kind of vpn detector that they can use to tell . country restriction like this are the same as age restriction or when they say that under 18 is not allowed but kids can still enter the site because they dont run a  "know your costumer " policy


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Oasisman on October 10, 2020, 11:49:48 AM
why will they complain when its thier fault in fact on why thier accounts got locked up because of country violation but the site do also have a problem with it . why cant they just block the ip that are coming from those country and to the people that uses a vpn too but is that possible ? idk if there is some kind of vpn detector that they can use to tell . country restriction like this are the same as age restriction or when they say that under 18 is not allowed but kids can still enter the site because they dont run a  "know your costumer " policy

That's the problem with some gambling websites. Like the OP said not everyone reads the TOS, and so some clients will just gamble without learning about country restrictions. This event might be considered as a fraudulent trick on the online gambling company's end for allowing someone without VPN to access their website, and blocking them on the latter specially when there's a huge funds stacked in the account.

IMO, there's nothing much you can do If your account has been frozen due to country restrictions but to learn from such mistake. If ever you persist to gamble using VPN, don't store huge amount of funds as it will catch their attention and go after your account.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Botnake on October 10, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
why will they complain when its thier fault in fact on why thier accounts got locked up because of country violation but the site do also have a problem with it . why cant they just block the ip that are coming from those country and to the people that uses a vpn too but is that possible ? idk if there is some kind of vpn detector that they can use to tell . country restriction like this are the same as age restriction or when they say that under 18 is not allowed but kids can still enter the site because they dont run a  "know your costumer " policy

That's the problem with some gambling websites. Like the OP said not everyone reads the TOS, and so some clients will just gamble without learning about country restrictions. This event might be considered as a fraudulent trick on the online gambling company's end for allowing someone without VPN to access their website, and blocking them on the latter specially when there's a huge funds stacked in the account.

IMO, there's nothing much you can do If your account has been frozen due to country restrictions but to learn from such mistake. If ever you persist to gamble using VPN, don't store huge amount of funds as it will catch their attention and go after your account.

They always have the advantage, even at that area where they can always point a user to their TOS once they frozen an account, so that's the risk that we should all know if we are still trying to evade the law by gambling with site with country restriction of ours.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Casdinyard on October 10, 2020, 11:54:26 AM
So I can't really give you sound legal advice how to gamble. But personally I would be very cautious if gambling was not allowed in your country. Its mostly your duty to follow the laws. Sure the casino needs to do it too, but since gambling is already illegal what bad can happen for the casino? They are already banned. Can't get much worse than that. Just imagine you win really big in the casino and they just block your account when trying to withdraw? Without legal status all the risks are with you.

I can't understand you dude. I don't know if you are onto the side of those who've accessing restricted gambling websites despite of prohibition or against them. First of all, every gambling platform tends to tell everyone which countries they don't support, while some supports countries yet lessen the games they can access (like Roobet). Hence no matter how huge you win on a certain casino then they've just banned you after detecting that you are accessing from prohibited country, then it wouldn't be their fault. Every gamblers musst be educated, respectful, and cautions.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Russlenat on October 10, 2020, 12:02:38 PM
I don't usually check the TOS when I'm gambling as well since I'm spending like a max of $100 per day in gambling, and in case that amount would be frozen I'm sure I can move on and let go of it. I do gamble on sports, been gambling with the popular sites in the forum, to name some.

1. sportsbet.
2. nitrogen.
3. Bitsler
4. betbtc.

These sites does not give me a problem, so I'm okay with gambling though gambling could be illegal in our country.

I'm saying could be illegal as I am not really certain with the law since the I have been gambling in different crypto casinos since this forum was introduce by me and I never face a single problem in terms of legal matters. 


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Mahdirakib on October 10, 2020, 12:20:33 PM
Haven't seen my country name in restricted list at any online casino, though gambling is illegal here. And I haven't faced issue with my fund at any casino. I always avoid those casino where user face this type of issue. Before playing on a casino we should read their rules. Cause while you register at a casino you need to accept their terms and conditions. If anyone play without knowing the rules then obviously it is his own fault.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Botnake on October 10, 2020, 12:37:06 PM
Haven't seen my country name in restricted list at any online casino, though gambling is illegal here. And I haven't faced issue with my fund at any casino. I always avoid those casino where user face this type of issue. Before playing on a casino we should read their rules. Cause while you register at a casino you need to accept their terms and conditions. If anyone play without knowing the rules then obviously it is his own fault.
Good for you, therefore you are not at risk when gambling, the only risk is you might lose but that is normal for us gamblers.

By the way I saw a reply from betbtc in this thread, I thought this might help for those who are looking for a site with no restriction.
Which countries are prohibited from using betbtc?

I only see this in T&C

''Please take in consideration that users from several locations are not allowed to register an account or place bets with us due to restrictions in this territory.
We use an IP Blocking tool, however this is not 100% efficient as it can't restrict all range of IPs. If your IP is not blocked you are still not allowed to bet on BetBTC if you belong to these regions''



Hello,

At the moment we are accepting users worldwide.

Best regards,
BetBTC


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: rhomelmabini on October 10, 2020, 01:10:07 PM
I'm aware that my country isn't always on the lists of restricted countries on most gambling site, I just don't know if some does. If I'm aware that my country is always restricted on gambling online, I'd probably read first the TOS of every site just for verification before doing so some deposits. I'd probably stay away on gambling if I'm aware my stash will be locked and not proceed with too much risks, it's best not to.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: NotATether on October 10, 2020, 01:23:52 PM
Basically there are two category of prohibited countries: The ones banned by the casino's license regulator, and the ones that aren't banned by them but have laws in their legislature forbidding gambling.

Casinos can only block the first category. The second category is too much work for them to assess their laws to determine for sure whether gambling online with crypto is prohibited or not,  so they don't hire people to check.

That's why most of them say on their TOS that it's your responsibility to check if gambling is legal in your country before you register, but don't ban you if you sign up from those locations.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: robelneo on October 10, 2020, 01:24:31 PM


However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

Cloudbet is making a big noise now there are many gambling sites that freeze their gamblers accounts once they saw that they are registered on a country where the gambling site do not accept gamblers, to avoid issues do not register or use  VPN you will get caught and the hardest thing to accept is when your account was freeze when you tried to withdraw your winnings, imagine they allow you to deposit but they will not allow you to withdraw your earnings because you break the rules, it's like they are just waiting for you to win so they can freeze your account.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: samcrypto on October 10, 2020, 01:30:04 PM
First of all, you can’t play on that gambling site if you input your correct country where you came from since banned countries are already on the system and you have to know the consequences if you purposely input the wrong details. The risk of gambling on restricted area is high, you might be able to play some but you’re still not safe because you are not allowed to gamble at all, deal with it.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Saisher on October 10, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
Why would you want to pay when there are alternatives gambling sites that allow you to play, I have see the thread about Cloudbet and it's not really good, I'm not a high roller and always to be on a safe side so I will not even think of uisng  VPN just to play even if the gambling site is attractive.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Assface16678 on October 10, 2020, 01:43:52 PM
I think this is quite risky because if you do not want to have any issues with your account and funds better use a gambling platform that supports your country.
Even you can use a VPN still if they detect another login with your account there is a chance they will freeze it.

Sometimes before you play to their platform at the register startup they already give a warning or banned your IP to prevent creating an account.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Chrystora123 on October 10, 2020, 01:53:04 PM
there are several gambling sites that are banned in my country and to be honest I definitely stay away from that gambling site..  I don't want to take risks such as losing money or my identity is misused (for gambling sites that apply KYC).  I also don't like to use a VPN when gambling because of course the internet network is not secure.  for now I am only actively using 3 crypto gambling sites and have no problems at all to date..


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: plr on October 10, 2020, 01:59:46 PM
You are two times at risked if you are going to use a VPN just to register and play in a gambling site that do not accept your location, you are gambling and you may lose and even if you win they will not allow you to cash out for breaking the rules, so you have no way to win here, just play in a safe gambling site and you will not have this kind of issue.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: pawanjain on October 10, 2020, 02:02:45 PM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.
The best solution to this problem would be to create a barrier on the site which would prevent those people who are from such countries where gambling is illegal.
Also, putting a disclaimer on the register form would be essential which says that using VPNs or IP addresses to mask your IP to create an account is against their policies and might lead to account getting frozen. This would warn the users to not use any methods which would mask their IP. Hence the users' original IP address will be fetched and the sites could then use their geo location to find out if they belong to any country where gambling is banned. If the users are from such countries they will not be able to create an account anyway since they would have already put a barrier on their site to prevent them creating an account.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: rijaljun on October 10, 2020, 02:20:32 PM
I don't quite sure if their intention not to block the user or the just don't consider adding blocking feature for IP address on blacklisted countries. I think if I remember some user here created a topic and list down the casino which blocks and don't blocks IP users if they are restricted on playing on it.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: pixie85 on October 10, 2020, 02:31:13 PM
The reason for this is not only the illegality of gambling in certain countries but also that some countries require you to obey their tax and KYC laws even if you don't register there.
Like if you provide services to US citizens you are obliged to follow US laws. Many companies don't want to deal with that and simply restrict US ips.

I know that many EU registered companies don't allow customers from countries like Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, because they don't follow the same monetary and KYC policies.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: plvbob0070 on October 10, 2020, 02:47:24 PM
It's their fault for accessing a gambling site that is restricted in their country so they should also know what possibilities could happen. I don't find it worth it to give extra effort just to gamble on sites that restrict my country since there are a lot of other gambling sites that I can choose where there would be no problems like that. I'm not a big gambler that's why I don't get why they will insist on gambling on those sites that don't allow your country, but accessing it illegally is just wrong so they should be prepared for the consequence.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: FIFA worldcup on October 10, 2020, 02:49:34 PM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

Here you are mixing the two things.
First, if the gambling site has restricted your country, you should not play at that site, not even by using vpn because if they found out, they will not only block you but also will not give your money back.

Secondly, if your country has restricted gambling but you still play it, then there is no risk from the gambling site to block your account but you could face legal complications if your government finds out that you are illegally playing gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: nakamura12 on October 10, 2020, 03:04:44 PM
you already mentioned the reason why we should avoid such sites. If it ever happen that you won hefty amount then they suddenly ask for KYC (some sites did) even if they did not ask for kyc when you created an account then how would you get your money if your account is locked or frozen because gambling in your country is illegal?. Impossible right?, better find sites that doesn't do that.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: slapper on October 10, 2020, 03:25:24 PM
Well, reading TOS is really important if you truly want to avoid troubles. But I guess there are only a few gamblers who are interested in reading TOS. Others think that it is a waste of time because they dont think that gambling on a decentralized platform can make themselves being banned. And thats true. Casinos do not want to make anything uncomfortable to their gamblers. They only provide the best services in order for them to stay as long as they could.

However, if you are a careful gambler, using VPN is a way to become 90% anonymous and therefore, you can digitally change your location to a country in which gambling is allowed. As an experienced gambler, I have never been banned on any website even though my country totally prohibits gambling.

Or you can simply ask the support chat so that they can tell you whether your country is allowed or not. Chatbox is a friendly place with thousands of wise gamblers


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: robelneo on October 10, 2020, 03:36:04 PM


Or you can simply ask the support chat so that they can tell you whether your country is allowed or not. Chatbox is a friendly place with thousands of wise gamblers

I think that's the right thing to do or you can create a ticket asking if they can reconsider giving you a privilege to play even if you are using a VPN, than using a VPN right away and take a chance if the system will let you play or not, some gambling sites have a blocking features, others do not employ and you will get caught, when you already won and tried to withdraw your money because they are going to look if you follow the rules and your account is clean.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: ReiMomo on October 10, 2020, 03:36:28 PM
The answer is already in your topic.

Reading TOS is very important, we shouldn't skip this one because this could be a reason for gambling sites that I guess may take advantage of the users. Spending your time of reading I guess 1-2 hours is worth it to save possible mistakes in the future and it could be lead to risking your fund if you violet any of their term. Much better if we aware than knowing that we had already banned due to small mistakes.

As a matter of fact, how could you open the site if it is illegal in your country? Using PVN is another story.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: iv4n on October 10, 2020, 03:45:39 PM
Real men (gamblers) don't read TOS! I quoted mu_enrico on this, I tried to find a thread where he made this comment, but without success! Maybe he will see my comment here, and he will do that for us, anyway his words I totally agree with!

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble,

It's not fair, if your country get blocked they should return you your funds, that would be fair! If they take the money, it's dishonest as it can be! I would like to know which casinos did that to know to stay away from them!
I am from Serbia and here gambling is not illegal, but many casinos don't allow players from my country! Some do, but I am not eligible for some bonuses, I can't play all games... one of the reason why I contact support before I deposit with some bonus, am I good for that or not. Reading TOS is boring, I like to ask support directly and to get direct answers!


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: palle11 on October 10, 2020, 04:01:15 PM
there are several gambling sites that are banned in my country and to be honest I definitely stay away from that gambling site..  I don't want to take risks such as losing money or my identity is misused (for gambling sites that apply KYC).  I also don't like to use a VPN when gambling because of course the internet network is not secure.  for now I am only actively using 3 crypto gambling sites and have no problems at all to date..

Avoiding the gambling site that has been ban in the country is the best thing to do. The country took such decision for a particular reason meant to benefit the country people. So no need for hiding identity and try to sign up because on winning, the site knows it has been outlawed in that country and might delay payment of winning or never pay the money, they know you did that in the dark and won't want to expose yourself to avoid going to jail for the offence.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: mu_enrico on October 10, 2020, 05:47:49 PM
Real men (gamblers) don't read TOS! I quoted mu_enrico on this, I tried to find a thread where he made this comment, but without success! Maybe he will see my comment here, and he will do that for us, anyway his words I totally agree with!
LMAO, I believe this was when I got "pranked" by bitcoincasino.io mate, with their mandatory KYC for a mere $50 (IIRC) withdrawal.

Real men don't read the ToS, they try 8)

The problem with ToS is that there is no guarantee it will be enforced. Even though they stated country-x prohibited from access etc., who will act if the casino doesn't do as stated? FBI? Interpol? Better ask the support for the real answer. You know... humans always compromise things.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: DoublerHunter on October 10, 2020, 07:38:41 PM


Or you can simply ask the support chat so that they can tell you whether your country is allowed or not. Chatbox is a friendly place with thousands of wise gamblers

I think that's the right thing to do or you can create a ticket asking if they can reconsider giving you a privilege to play even if you are using a VPN, than using a VPN right away and take a chance if the system will let you play or not, some gambling sites have a blocking features, others do not employ and you will get caught, when you already won and tried to withdraw your money because they are going to look if you follow the rules and your account is clean.
^ It is definitely right, there is nothing wrong if you will communicate with the support team of the gambling site. But why people are being lazy to read the term of service/use? If you are concerned of reading long content, you can also check the FAQ, for sure summarized information that frequently asks was there. Nevertheless, speaking of using PVN this is also the most probihited in a certain gambling platform, probably because using PVN is not fair for them, once your country is ban, you are not allowed to use.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Porfirii on October 10, 2020, 08:27:29 PM
My advise is not to play in casinos where your country is not allowed because:

- Maybe with a VPN or Proxy you are able to play.
- Maybe you can withdraw if it is with cryptocurrencies and the amount is little.

But if you win a really big prize, trying to get paid and falling in some phishing or illegal personal data purchase may ruin your life... for me it is not worth the risk: go for a casino where you can legally play, or if your country permits it, invest in some solid mid-cap/low-cap coin, which is like gambling...


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: MCobian on October 10, 2020, 08:50:18 PM
Just choose gambling sites that do not care which country we are from, that way we can play gambling safely and comfortably.
Because forcing to play in gambling which prohibits our country, it will be risky in the future if it gets caught. Imagine if we get
caught our account could get banned, our funds could even be frozen. What is there we can lose all the capital we have on the
gambling site, so don't try to force playing on gambling sites like that.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Becky666 on October 10, 2020, 08:56:35 PM
Why would you want to pay when there are alternatives gambling sites that allow you to play, I have see the thread about Cloudbet and it's not really good, I'm not a high roller and always to be on a safe side so I will not even think of uisng  VPN just to play even if the gambling site is attractive.
Then, you're not a true gambler IMO, getting into gambling alone is risking and anyone who choose to gamble in any level must learn to take any form of risk for that purpose. I have always said this: gambling is for the risk takers and not for the swiftly but the industry still accommodating both the strong and the weak. In my past years in gambling, I have taken high risk and came out strong from all, this has actually made me stronger than I thought; 'risk is everything in gambling'.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Stedsm on October 10, 2020, 09:03:11 PM
However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

We need to be careful with these things happening as if users from a specific country are restricted on a gambling website, but that site still allows them making an account there, then there might be some catch behind and the owners of that site may not let you withdraw your money and all your wins in the future after blocking / freezing your account with the reason you gave. It's better to give the ToS a read rather than regretting later on. Next is, if we know that we are from a restricted country or if our own country does not allow us to gamble because it's illegal there, then better either stop it or find some sources like proxies and VPNs to bypass the laws and play freely. The only problem you might face is when these websites may start asking for a KYC.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Blackpussy on October 10, 2020, 09:14:01 PM
Signing up on a site against your country says it all it's a crime against the site and if found guilty such customer don't deserve any apology or sort of refund. Bookies are everywhere why risk your money


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Stedsm on October 10, 2020, 09:23:16 PM
Signing up on a site against your country says it all it's a crime against the site and if found guilty such customer don't deserve any apology or sort of refund. Bookies are everywhere why risk your money

Trust me or not, most people do it just because their country prohibits them from gambling based on the law and constitution made there and been followed for decades. They just can't gamble because they're helpless here, but if a website doesn't have their country's name, they register there and start gambling without thinking that what they're breaking is their country's law and gambling is illegal at their place.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: blockman on October 10, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
Just look to the TOS for the countries that they are not supporting. It would only take you around a few minutes upon reading which countries that they are not supporting. It's better to read that for awhile than to miss it when you come to the point of withdrawal and then you'll be put into investigation just because of it. You will be removing that problem from the beginning and it won't consume your time a lot if you do it before gambling in a casino of your choice.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: seleme on October 10, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
Personally, I stay away from the gambling sites which clearly have the rules of banned countries. If the gamblers from the gambling banned countries wanna register, the IP ban shouldn't let the user make a deposit. For example, the Stake site doesn't let the users play the demo games on various providers, even some IP addresses are blocked for restricting the user from all kinds of activities. For third countries, there are Russia-based gambling sites that gladly accept gamblers for fiat deposit methods but let's not forget there are anonymous cryptocurrencies that can help to bypass the ban. 


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: 24Kt on October 10, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Personally, I stay away from the gambling sites which clearly have the rules of banned countries. If the gamblers from the gambling banned countries wanna register, the IP ban shouldn't let the user make a deposit. For example, the Stake site doesn't let the users play the demo games on various providers, even some IP addresses are blocked for restricting the user from all kinds of activities. For third countries, there are Russia-based gambling sites that gladly accept gamblers for fiat deposit methods but let's not forget there are anonymous cryptocurrencies that can help to bypass the ban. 

That's right, I have visited several casinos before, and if for example my country is banned from playing on their site, they will give warning at the very start that your country is prohibited so you can't even sign up for that matter. Unless, the player will use VPN or other means to bypass the ban and that will be on him when the time comes for withdrawal. He should very well know that he will encounter this problem as he bypassed the ban. So I think, if you don't want to get into trouble, just make sure to read the ToS of the casino and that your country is not included in the prohibited countries.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: bitbunnny on October 10, 2020, 09:47:05 PM
This is s huge risk, both for gamblers and gambling site. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk and I also try to avoid any site that doesn't follow the strict rules of law and legitimacy.
There are some ways to avoid the ban like anonymous cryptocurrency but because of such activities cryptocurrencies still have negative reputation.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: mirakal on October 10, 2020, 10:17:31 PM
This is s huge risk, both for gamblers and gambling site.
For gamblers I believe but for gambling site, I am not sure, it what way they are at risk?

Personally I don't think it's worth the risk and I also try to avoid any site that doesn't follow the strict rules of law and legitimacy.
There are some ways to avoid the ban like anonymous cryptocurrency but because of such activities cryptocurrencies still have negative reputation.
Actually I'm asking about gambling in sites where you know your country is not allowed, it has nothing to do with cryptocurrency we are using as I haven't seen an illegal crypto currency that is allowed in most of the crypto gambling sites.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Russlenat on October 10, 2020, 10:46:25 PM
Personally, I stay away from the gambling sites which clearly have the rules of banned countries. If the gamblers from the gambling banned countries wanna register, the IP ban shouldn't let the user make a deposit. For example, the Stake site doesn't let the users play the demo games on various providers, even some IP addresses are blocked for restricting the user from all kinds of activities.
If they will ban the IP in the first place then there would be no problem as we won't be able to gamble at all, problem is they allow you to gamble despite your IP belongs to the list of countries where site does not allow, accept your deposit, you lose it's okay for them, their system doesn't detect, you win big that's where the problem starts as it will prompt to them, it's actually a win-win, on them.  ;D

For third countries, there are Russia-based gambling sites that gladly accept gamblers for fiat deposit methods but let's not forget there are anonymous cryptocurrencies that can help to bypass the ban. 
I'd love to know this, can you enlighten me a bit?


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Danslip on October 10, 2020, 10:53:42 PM
Gambling is banned in some mentioned countries for avoiding legal charges. The big governments can shut down websites whenever they want to do so. Anyone here if uses for the Puffin browser can confirm that many promoted gambling platforms on the forum don't load on this browser because the Puffin browser is based on US servers. The Stake, Roobet,Betcoin, and other websites don't load and the error happens after clicking on the registration button.
If the user accepts risk and decide to register on gambling platform which doesn't accept the gamblers from his location, the rest should be done by person himself. The risks will be bigger if the user can make a mystery winnings because the KYC mail will be on the mail address of the same user sooner or later. No exit from this infinite loop, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: goaldigger on October 10, 2020, 11:28:30 PM
Gambling is banned in some mentioned countries for avoiding legal charges. The big governments can shut down websites whenever they want to do so. Anyone here if uses for the Puffin browser can confirm that many promoted gambling platforms on the forum don't load on this browser because the Puffin browser is based on US servers. The Stake, Roobet,Betcoin, and other websites don't load and the error happens after clicking on the registration button.  
Some are still taking risk and use other browser, I don’t know if they was able to gamble or not but if its illegal in my country, I won’t gamble because I don’t want to face any charges. Those gambling site who are still available on the said countries wont last there, so don’t over confident that the gambling site that you are using even if its illegal in your country will last, your government will know that soon so be cautious.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: NotATether on October 10, 2020, 11:46:53 PM
Gambling is banned in some mentioned countries for avoiding legal charges. The big governments can shut down websites whenever they want to do so. Anyone here if uses for the Puffin browser can confirm that many promoted gambling platforms on the forum don't load on this browser because the Puffin browser is based on US servers. The Stake, Roobet,Betcoin, and other websites don't load and the error happens after clicking on the registration button. 

Puffin browser uses a proxy server based in the US that's how it gets blacklisted everywhere, by the way this is the first time I've heard about this browser. Their wikipedia page has more worrying problems than getting the wrong IP address and country location:

Unlike most web browsers which render web pages internally, Puffin Browser uses external cloud servers to do the rendering, in a way similar to Opera Mini and the data saver mode in Google Chrome.[citation needed]

Because of that, all the unencrypted traffic of the user passes through the Puffin servers. This means that potentially sensitive information such as passwords passes in cleartext through the Puffin servers and may be logged by them.[citation needed] Puffin's privacy policy states that no web page's content is logged by them and that they do not have access to users' passwords.[42]

This browser doesn't even passes unencrypted HTTP connections through its proxy. HTTP has been long ditched for HTTPS but for the sites that are still using HTTP, all it takes is for Puffin's servers to be compromised and they can steal all the passwords and credit cards you put in those sites. I wouldn't trust a browser that wants me to trust it to send my unencrypted traffic to their servers, the risk is too much.

Same with Maxthon, they even went as far as sending your whole browsing history to remote servers. Totally untrustworthy browser if you ask me.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Russlenat on October 11, 2020, 07:11:11 AM
Gambling is banned in some mentioned countries for avoiding legal charges. The big governments can shut down websites whenever they want to do so. Anyone here if uses for the Puffin browser can confirm that many promoted gambling platforms on the forum don't load on this browser because the Puffin browser is based on US servers. The Stake, Roobet,Betcoin, and other websites don't load and the error happens after clicking on the registration button.  
Some are still taking risk and use other browser, I don’t know if they was able to gamble or not but if its illegal in my country, I won’t gamble because I don’t want to face any charges. Those gambling site who are still available on the said countries wont last there, so don’t over confident that the gambling site that you are using even if its illegal in your country will last, your government will know that soon so be cautious.
The question is, will our government know if we are gambling anonymously?

I don't think they would know that, the only risk I see is that on the account side, your account could be block and your money is gone, of course in the first place you can't complain as you know you are gambling illegally.

Our government may know people are accessing the site but they can't stop it unless the site itself will ban the IP address of a certain country.
Honestly, I never heard a news in our country that a gambler was jailed for gambling illegally in anonymous gambling sites, so I'm confident it will not happen.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Lorence.xD on October 11, 2020, 07:12:36 AM
Gambling is banned in some mentioned countries for avoiding legal charges. The big governments can shut down websites whenever they want to do so. Anyone here if uses for the Puffin browser can confirm that many promoted gambling platforms on the forum don't load on this browser because the Puffin browser is based on US servers. The Stake, Roobet,Betcoin, and other websites don't load and the error happens after clicking on the registration button.  
If at registration the user is already blocked then I think the problem is solved in regards to gambling in countries where gambling is illegal. In my opinion, the best course of action for this account freeze because the player is on a country that prohibit gambling is to send the prize anyway then ban their IP. The problem is the gambling sites make the problem seem complicated when the solution is obvious. I do not know if it my proposed solution is viable but I think that it is simple and it could work.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: stadus on October 11, 2020, 09:05:28 AM
Signing up on a site against your country says it all it's a crime against the site and if found guilty such customer don't deserve any apology or sort of refund. Bookies are everywhere why risk your money

Trust me or not, most people do it just because their country prohibits them from gambling based on the law and constitution made there and been followed for decades. They just can't gamble because they're helpless here, but if a website doesn't have their country's name, they register there and start gambling without thinking that what they're breaking is their country's law and gambling is illegal at their place.

Exactly, that's the reality, and that's how gamblers think.

Crypto casinos has actually open opportunity for gamblers who have no chance of gambling in fiat casinos because it's ban in their country, and since crypto casinos does not require KYC, they even brag they are letting you gamble anonymously, so we enjoyed gambling on their site, and we are actually not thinking of the risk anymore though we are aware.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Poker Player on October 11, 2020, 09:33:48 AM
Not only that. They also accept players from countries where in order to offer their services, they would have to obtain a license. And they don't have one. Playing in those countries is not strictly forbidden, but it is forbidden to play in those casinos that have not obtained a license. And for the casinos,  it is forbidden to accept players from those countries.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: pilosopotasyo on October 11, 2020, 10:12:35 AM
Just look to the TOS for the countries that they are not supporting. It would only take you around a few minutes upon reading which countries that they are not supporting. It's better to read that for awhile than to miss it when you come to the point of withdrawal and then you'll be put into investigation just because of it. You will be removing that problem from the beginning and it won't consume your time a lot if you do it before gambling in a casino of your choice.

New gamblers fall in this category they sign up without reading the TOS and the rules of the gambling sites until it's too late to find out that they have violated the rules and worse of all they have earnings in their dashboard, they cannot circumvent the rules they will lose everything eventually.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Viscore on October 11, 2020, 10:52:35 AM
Just look to the TOS for the countries that they are not supporting. It would only take you around a few minutes upon reading which countries that they are not supporting. It's better to read that for awhile than to miss it when you come to the point of withdrawal and then you'll be put into investigation just because of it. You will be removing that problem from the beginning and it won't consume your time a lot if you do it before gambling in a casino of your choice.

New gamblers fall in this category they sign up without reading the TOS and the rules of the gambling sites until it's too late to find out that they have violated the rules and worse of all they have earnings in their dashboard, they cannot circumvent the rules they will lose everything eventually.
They should blame themselves for that rather than sending complaints to the owner and ask for a refund. Since we are already aware of that kind of restrictions, we should have to read and find if the sites permit our country to participate otherwise, we just move on.
Everyone should be responsible for what we do, most lapses come from our laziness to read and understand the TOS and it brings back to us of what we have done.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: rodskee on October 11, 2020, 11:06:14 AM
Signing up on a site against your country says it all it's a crime against the site and if found guilty such customer don't deserve any apology or sort of refund. Bookies are everywhere why risk your money

Trust me or not, most people do it just because their country prohibits them from gambling based on the law and constitution made there and been followed for decades. They just can't gamble because they're helpless here, but if a website doesn't have their country's name, they register there and start gambling without thinking that what they're breaking is their country's law and gambling is illegal at their place.

Exactly, that's the reality, and that's how gamblers think.

Crypto casinos has actually open opportunity for gamblers who have no chance of gambling in fiat casinos because it's ban in their country, and since crypto casinos does not require KYC, they even brag they are letting you gamble anonymously, so we enjoyed gambling on their site, and we are actually not thinking of the risk anymore though we are aware.
Yeah those sites of gambling is not asking for KYC but in the time where you are just betting and winning small amount but when you Hit the jackpot thats the time problem will occur because sometimes they will even freeze your account or even banned for this,they may accused us of having multiple account or other cheating even if we provided KYC.



But of course gamblers will always make way to gamble as VPN is open to use keeping our privacy.




Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: FlightyPouch on October 11, 2020, 11:28:02 AM
Not only that. They also accept players from countries where in order to offer their services, they would have to obtain a license. And they don't have one. Playing in those countries is not strictly forbidden, but it is forbidden to play in those casinos that have not obtained a license. And for the casinos,  it is forbidden to accept players from those countries.

I think those countries are not that active on the internet. I know that there are a lot of things they are focussing right now but there is also those government that could let this kind of thing slip by. The internet is a new vast world for some of them and for me, I think it is better if they could continue that since there would be a lot of other sites that would be involved that shouldn't be.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: ralle14 on October 11, 2020, 02:10:00 PM
But of course gamblers will always make way to gamble as VPN is open to use keeping our privacy.
Using a VPN is still a risk as they could be falsely accused of multi accounting. They could use VPN temporarily to avoid the restriction but they can't always rely on it when gambling sites are quick to pull the trigger on blocking accounts.

This is s huge risk, both for gamblers and gambling site.
For gamblers I believe but for gambling site, I am not sure, it what way they are at risk?
I believe the gambling sites are risking their reputation since they're not doing their best to prohibit the countries listed on their terms and conditions.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 11, 2020, 02:18:49 PM
It is always to the disadvantage of the user who violated the terms and conditions should there be an untoward situation arising.

If everything is running smoothly, then it will not matter. But once there is a certain situation where the user is asked to provide his KYC documents which include legal IDs with names and addresses and mobile number, it will be found out that he is actually violating the conditions of the site. This may result to having his account blocked and withdrawals locked. This means he might not be able to get his funds back.

So I recommend that we should just avoid playing in gambling sites which we are not allowed to play. It is better not risk. There are other choices. Who knows when we find ourselves caught in such a situation? The ending is probably against us because we have not read the terms and conditions and we lied when we ticked on the box saying we read and agreed with the TOS.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on October 11, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Same with the major user here who just choose the gambling site which is not required to pass the KYC before we are allowed to bet in the platform. I don't like the platform who ask the KYC entirely, it will bother me because most of the gambling platforms are banned in my country.

And maybe I suggest to the gambler who force themselve to bet in the gambling platform who ban their country to find another gambling platform which doesn't ban his country, the risk that will be faced is so much and you will not be comfortable to do that. Unless, you are okay with these problem and you are willing to loss your money because you can't withdraw it.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: matchi2011 on October 11, 2020, 03:19:55 PM
Just look to the TOS for the countries that they are not supporting. It would only take you around a few minutes upon reading which countries that they are not supporting. It's better to read that for awhile than to miss it when you come to the point of withdrawal and then you'll be put into investigation just because of it. You will be removing that problem from the beginning and it won't consume your time a lot if you do it before gambling in a casino of your choice.

New gamblers fall in this category they sign up without reading the TOS and the rules of the gambling sites until it's too late to find out that they have violated the rules and worse of all they have earnings in their dashboard, they cannot circumvent the rules they will lose everything eventually.

The very essence of reading TOS, like what you have said, many newbies are unaware or neglecting reading TOS they only realized it when they already suffering from any restrictions or freezing of their account.

They surely loss everything after the casino blocked them there's no way for them to recover their money, it's very important to pay attentions with every details in order to safely enjoying your gambling activities.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: mardaed on October 11, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
Just look to the TOS for the countries that they are not supporting. It would only take you around a few minutes upon reading which countries that they are not supporting. It's better to read that for awhile than to miss it when you come to the point of withdrawal and then you'll be put into investigation just because of it. You will be removing that problem from the beginning and it won't consume your time a lot if you do it before gambling in a casino of your choice.

New gamblers fall in this category they sign up without reading the TOS and the rules of the gambling sites until it's too late to find out that they have violated the rules and worse of all they have earnings in their dashboard, they cannot circumvent the rules they will lose everything eventually.

The very essence of reading TOS, like what you have said, many newbies are unaware or neglecting reading TOS they only realized it when they already suffering from any restrictions or freezing of their account.

They surely loss everything after the casino blocked them there's no way for them to recover their money, it's very important to pay attentions with every details in order to safely enjoying your gambling activities.

Well said. Many gamblers are to complacent and are eager to satisfy their desires on the current period, and does not really mind the incoming events or situation they will be at in the long run. Reading the TOS is indeed essential for a player to understand and decide if a website is worth the time, attention and risk.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: bitzizzix on October 11, 2020, 04:25:15 PM
Just look to the TOS for the countries that they are not supporting. It would only take you around a few minutes upon reading which countries that they are not supporting. It's better to read that for awhile than to miss it when you come to the point of withdrawal and then you'll be put into investigation just because of it. You will be removing that problem from the beginning and it won't consume your time a lot if you do it before gambling in a casino of your choice.

New gamblers fall in this category they sign up without reading the TOS and the rules of the gambling sites until it's too late to find out that they have violated the rules and worse of all they have earnings in their dashboard, they cannot circumvent the rules they will lose everything eventually.

The very essence of reading TOS, like what you have said, many newbies are unaware or neglecting reading TOS they only realized it when they already suffering from any restrictions or freezing of their account.

They surely loss everything after the casino blocked them there's no way for them to recover their money, it's very important to pay attentions with every details in order to safely enjoying your gambling activities.

Well said. Many gamblers are to complacent and are eager to satisfy their desires on the current period, and does not really mind the incoming events or situation they will be at in the long run. Reading the TOS is indeed essential for a player to understand and decide if a website is worth the time, attention and risk.

Lack of understanding and knowledge due to lazy reading, most people only read what is important or just look around without reading it properly.
TOS is very important for those who like to play gambling to know very clear rules and which gambling is supported or not supported in their country.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Ryker1 on October 11, 2020, 07:29:01 PM
Well, if I were in that situation, --I would stick with the platforms that my country is allowing to operate without any violations just to make sure that my account and assets will be kept safe. It really is hard to take risks with the platforms which are not allowed or restricted.
And having a legal gambling platform will also allow you to play safer. Think about this idea and it will help you save some headaches.
Besides, it is always been secure to gamble in a gambling site that operated with a license because they also got audited from licensing companies.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: blockman on October 11, 2020, 08:13:58 PM
Just look to the TOS for the countries that they are not supporting. It would only take you around a few minutes upon reading which countries that they are not supporting. It's better to read that for awhile than to miss it when you come to the point of withdrawal and then you'll be put into investigation just because of it. You will be removing that problem from the beginning and it won't consume your time a lot if you do it before gambling in a casino of your choice.

New gamblers fall in this category they sign up without reading the TOS and the rules of the gambling sites until it's too late to find out that they have violated the rules and worse of all they have earnings in their dashboard, they cannot circumvent the rules they will lose everything eventually.
Very common for gamblers and users not to read TOS upon signing up. We don't care about it until we start to face a problem for our withdrawal and we will only find it late that we're residing from the country that's not being supported. You might asked why they didn't just blocked the IP. For the admins or developers, there might be a reason why it didn't happened. And that's more on the technical side which they are the only one to explain.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Danslip on October 11, 2020, 08:47:27 PM
Gambling is banned in some mentioned countries for avoiding legal charges. The big governments can shut down websites whenever they want to do so. Anyone here if uses for the Puffin browser can confirm that many promoted gambling platforms on the forum don't load on this browser because the Puffin browser is based on US servers. The Stake, Roobet,Betcoin, and other websites don't load and the error happens after clicking on the registration button. 

Puffin browser uses a proxy server based in the US that's how it gets blacklisted everywhere, by the way this is the first time I've heard about this browser. Their wikipedia page has more worrying problems than getting the wrong IP address and country location:
The working principles are as same as Virtual Private networks, so I don't think worrying about privacy is a case here if all data transfers through the channel are protected with AES256 bit encryption. The IP ban is usually country-specific if you ask me, so there should be a similar browser that has dedicated servers in accepted countries(EU) too. Due to compression of data, the slot games are ready 20 seconds later after clicking the "play" button. For 10 Mbps speed, it takes more than 1 minute to open the soft flash slots, now imagine the net speed in poor countries. Obviously, the ban prevents low-speed users to take advantage of third party browsers.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: goinmerry on October 11, 2020, 09:29:18 PM
Lack of understanding and knowledge due to lazy reading, most people only read what is important or just look around without reading it properly.
TOS is very important for those who like to play gambling to know very clear rules and which gambling is supported or not supported in their country.

It's not about lazy reading but before, that kind of restriction isn't really implemented at most of the gambling sites. In crypto-gambling, there's no such thing as reading TOS before. The flow is running smoothly and only a few players experienced a problem.

It's just a few years ago if I'm not mistaken since that kind of heavy restriction implemented on some crypto-gambling sites. Maybe because crypto is progressing and become a watchlist in any country. With new crypto-gambling sites putting up restrictions like that, gamblers should now change their behavior of disregarding TOS.

Just give it time and people will be used to reading those terms first before considering using a specific site.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Genemind on October 11, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
I don't read the TOS word by words but somehow I scan it just in case there are cases like this that is stipulated in a platform's TOS. However, if you leave in a country where gambling is strictly prohibited, secure your funds and account by reading the TOS before starting and account or depositing, to avoid having your account frozen or banned.

Reading the TOS if for your own good, it will not take much of your time. I do understand that most of us are already trust some gambling site and are eager to make an account that we miss reading the TOS, but be a responsible gambler to avoid conflicts on your part.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Mahanton on October 11, 2020, 10:59:24 PM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.
On this case, its always been important to know or read the terms first before you do play and if you are fully aware that they do block or restrict some countries and you do still proceed
then you've been blocked then theres no one that can be blamed off but only yourself and since from the start you had already known that they do have those terms and they do have the
full rights on blocking or banning such user and confiscate winnings since you had commited a violation and theres nothing you can do about it since its your fault.
Lesson learned? Always read up websites terms and conditions and if you do saw restriction then youre fully aware and decide if you do proceed or not.If proceed then you know
the risk so theres no need to regret if you get caught.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: abel1337 on October 11, 2020, 10:59:39 PM
I think it's the responsibility of the gambler to read the TOS before playing in a certain casino, Country laws are being updated from time to time as well as the casino. If you feel that your country is prone to be banned, It's better to read first the TOS before registering and playing. I know using a VPN is a way for a gambler that resides in a restricted to play in a casino but forcing your way through it can give you a headache when you are requested to have verification.

If you are restricted to gamble, Just don't gamble. I'm sure there are allowed casino in your country that is not hit by you local law, Just play on that.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: stadus on October 11, 2020, 11:04:57 PM
I think it's the responsibility of the gambler to read the TOS before playing in a certain casino, Country laws are being updated from time to time as well as the casino. If you feel that your country is prone to be banned, It's better to read first the TOS before registering and playing. I know using a VPN is a way for a gambler that resides in a restricted to play in a casino but forcing your way through it can give you a headache when you are requested to have verification.

If you are restricted to gamble, Just don't gamble. I'm sure there are allowed casino in your country that is not hit by you local law, Just play on that.

Exactly, that's our responsibility to read the TOS, however, that doesn't mean that everyone will follow, some gamblers knows it's illegal to gamble in the site and yet they still find a way, including hiding their IP through VPN just to play in a certain gambling site, you can't take that from them by saying read the TOS and follow as they also evaluate the gravity of penalty, if they think they can take it, they'll proceed playing even with that risk.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Gotumoot on October 12, 2020, 02:23:46 AM
There are some people who are still eager to gamble even though gambling is prohibited on their country and I think if they don't want to risk getting their money frozen or confiscated then don't gamble at all.
They know the risk of doing it so they should also be prepared for the consequence the site has banned them because of their law against gambling so they should respect it.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Rodeo02 on October 12, 2020, 02:47:11 AM
There are some people who are still eager to gamble even though gambling is prohibited on their country and I think if they don't want to risk getting their money frozen or confiscated then don't gamble at all.
They know the risk of doing it so they should also be prepared for the consequence the site has banned them because of their law against gambling so they should respect it.

That is a big problem there are still people want it to try to gamble even they know its illegal and use other ways to open the website like using VPN etc. If they know its illegal they need to stop or else they will have a problem when times that they need to widraw thier money.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Darker45 on October 12, 2020, 03:17:49 AM
I admit I have not read all the terms and conditions of all the gambling sites I used to play and currently playing on.

However, while it is the responsibility of every gambler to read the TOS of the gambling site he is using, I guess it is also the responsibility of the operator to actually restrict their services in the specific countries they list under their restricted countries.

It is one thing for a gambler to play on a site he is restricted from and quite another for a gambling site offering its services in territories they are not allowed to operate. That is sneaky of them.

In the event the location of the player is discovered, the site would easily lock the user's account and funds. But, to be fair, in the first place, why not install mechanisms which make the gambling services not accessible to restricted countries?


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: peter0425 on October 12, 2020, 03:21:55 AM
There are some people who are still eager to gamble even though gambling is prohibited on their country and I think if they don't want to risk getting their money frozen or confiscated then don't gamble at all.
They know the risk of doing it so they should also be prepared for the consequence the site has banned them because of their law against gambling so they should respect it.

That is a big problem there are still people want it to try to gamble even they know its illegal and use other ways to open the website like using VPN etc. If they know its illegal they need to stop or else they will have a problem when times that they need to widraw thier money.
Lol gambler use to this and they need to gamble because they are use to it and part of their living so we cannot hide gambling from them even what way they can do it.
and about withdrawals?they are ready for that,having fake KYC or have contact in other country that allows to withdraw.
but all in all?there is no impossible for them thats one thing i am sure off,lucky that i am from country that allows to play gambling in any way.

 I guess it is also the responsibility of the operator to actually restrict their services in the specific countries they list under their restricted countries.


Sorry mate but this  won't happen because gambling operators and owners care about the players and bettors that will enter their site.
even from what part of the world comes from and whatever their countries restrictions .


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: lienfaye on October 12, 2020, 04:24:57 AM
There are some people who are still eager to gamble even though gambling is prohibited on their country and I think if they don't want to risk getting their money frozen or confiscated then don't gamble at all.
They know the risk of doing it so they should also be prepared for the consequence the site has banned them because of their law against gambling so they should respect it.
Indeed thats why its a must to read the Tos and their rules in order to have an idea of what you're getting into. Just like that, you can encounter a problem and having a trouble how to get your money.

Thus if gambling is prohibited in your country just abide or else you might end up in a worse situation.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: freedomgo on October 12, 2020, 07:07:09 AM
There are some people who are still eager to gamble even though gambling is prohibited on their country and I think if they don't want to risk getting their money frozen or confiscated then don't gamble at all.
They know the risk of doing it so they should also be prepared for the consequence the site has banned them because of their law against gambling so they should respect it.
Indeed thats why its a must to read the Tos and their rules in order to have an idea of what you're getting into. Just like that, you can encounter a problem and having a trouble how to get your money.

Thus if gambling is prohibited in your country just abide or else you might end up in a worse situation.

Be aware of the risk, that's it, so you'll not be surprise if you will suffer the consequences.

Actually this would also depend on how strict the regulation of a certain country, the fact that we are in crypto, I guess regulators will have a hard time finding those violators, so some are taking advantage of the crypto casinos, but if time will come they'll require a KYC, that would be the end of gamblers who still persist despite illegal in their jurisdiction.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Slow death on October 12, 2020, 07:28:48 AM
To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

The TOS of the gambling sites has been the center of attention in most of the problems that I see here on the forum because many people even knowing that they are citizens of the USA continue to break the TOS of the gambling sites. If the person knows that they should not create an account on site X because TOS forbids it, why the hell does it create an account and then complain here on the forum because their money was blocked? I start to think that all gambling sites should write in big letters on the first page: "read the TOS before creating an account" I give reason to casino owners when they take certain actions, because it gets tiring to repeat the same thing over and over


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Ziskinberg on October 12, 2020, 07:34:56 AM
To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

The TOS of the gambling sites has been the center of attention in most of the problems that I see here on the forum because many people even knowing that they are citizens of the USA continue to break the TOS of the gambling sites. If the person knows that they should not create an account on site X because TOS forbids it, why the hell does it create an account and then complain here on the forum because their money was blocked? I start to think that all gambling sites should write in big letters on the first page: "read the TOS before creating an account" I give reason to casino owners when they take certain actions, because it gets tiring to repeat the same thing over and over

In most cases TOS are not displayed well as it does not help in attracting gamblers. Gambling sites wants more gamblers so they'll just simply accept your bets regardless on where you are living as long as their system will not detect you but they could also implement the rules anytime they want and that's the risk pass on to the gamblers.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Shasha80 on October 12, 2020, 07:43:02 AM
Because gambling is prohibited in my country, I have to play at gambling sites without any KYC procedures. And gambling sites that don't
apply KYC don't necessarily accept all users, There are several gambling sites that prohibit countries where gambling is illegal. Therefore,
you should first read the terms and conditions, before deciding to play on the gambling site. If it is true that the gambling site prohibits
the country where we are from, then don't force playing on that gambling site. If you still insist on playing gambling, can make our account
blocked and our funds frozen. If this happens it will be detrimental to ourselves.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Mauser on October 12, 2020, 08:33:24 AM
To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

The TOS of the gambling sites has been the center of attention in most of the problems that I see here on the forum because many people even knowing that they are citizens of the USA continue to break the TOS of the gambling sites. If the person knows that they should not create an account on site X because TOS forbids it, why the hell does it create an account and then complain here on the forum because their money was blocked? I start to think that all gambling sites should write in big letters on the first page: "read the TOS before creating an account" I give reason to casino owners when they take certain actions, because it gets tiring to repeat the same thing over and over

Any gambler who is betting a lot of money should make sure to check the TOS of the casino before gambling. We shouldn't just rely on others to inform us about potential risk. However the TOS is no guarantee that things will go wrong afterwards. The problem if online gambling in your country is not allowed, is that you have no chances to clear issues though court. You are at the mercy of a casino. What if the casino decides to change their TOS afterwards, or what if the casino is getting pressured by your government to prohibit people from your country to play? For me the risks would be just to high to gamble any larger amounts.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Sanitough on October 12, 2020, 08:47:54 AM
What if the casino decides to change their TOS afterwards,
This is possible as the law changes from time to time so as a gambler we should pay attention to the TOS if we think it's vital.

or what if the casino is getting pressured by your government to prohibit people from your country to play? For me the risks would be just to high to gamble any larger amounts.
I think this one is impossible, a government can only pressure an operation within their jurisdiction, most casinos are getting their license in Curabao, if you are from other country, your government have no business anymore on pressuring casinos in curabao, what they can pressure is their people who gambles in casinos license in such country.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: imstillthebest on October 12, 2020, 02:22:43 PM
Because gambling is prohibited in my country, I have to play at gambling sites without any KYC procedures. And gambling sites that don't
apply KYC don't necessarily accept all users, There are several gambling sites that prohibit countries where gambling is illegal. Therefore,
you should first read the terms and conditions, before deciding to play on the gambling site. If it is true that the gambling site prohibits
the country where we are from, then don't force playing on that gambling site. If you still insist on playing gambling, can make our account
blocked and our funds frozen. If this happens it will be detrimental to ourselves.


how come you can still play when gambling is illegal in your zone and you also said that a non kyc site wont accept users where gambling is illegal  .

may i know what site was that where you can still play because that will also help other users that have this problem .

 gambling is not illegal on my place and never been on a site where they restrict me , im lucky for that because i was also a gambler and i dont know what to do if im with yours situation .


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: bunglor on October 12, 2020, 06:21:45 PM
This is the common problems to those people who like to gamble but they are living in a place where most of the casino platforms are prohibiting them to use their service.

If I were in that situation where my government is considering gambling as illegal then I will just follow it as I will surely face some problems if I will not follow it. Using the sites that are not requiring KYC but still prohibiting the country where we live is still not safe to use even if we are going to use a VPN as our money is at stake because the platform owner can easily freeze our money once they will know what we are doing.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: DoublerHunter on October 12, 2020, 06:36:08 PM
Because gambling is prohibited in my country, I have to play at gambling sites without any KYC procedures.

^ If you want to play gambling online even when it is restricted in your country, you may try to use another's people's identity outside your country and do your gambling's KYC under their name.  Also, you may try considering VPN to hide your true address as it will let you change your IP with the advantage of faking it. But always confront the gambling site regarding this matter if they will allow a user to use VPN. Nevertheless, why you are taking the risk on this kind of gambling sites that illegal, you can choose a licensed one that for sure all bets are regulated.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Lanatsa on October 12, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
Because gambling is prohibited in my country, I have to play at gambling sites without any KYC procedures.

^ If you want to play gambling online even when it is restricted in your country, you may try to use another's people's identity outside your country and do your gambling's KYC under their name.  Also, you may try considering VPN to hide your true address as it will let you change your IP with the advantage of faking it. But always confront the gambling site regarding this matter if they will allow a user to use VPN. Nevertheless, why you are taking the risk on this kind of gambling sites that illegal, you can choose a licensed one that for sure all bets are regulated.
Its not something ethical to be done on using up other identity just for the sake of your gambling activity.Yeah you can indeed make use of others ID's for KYC but it isn't really right to be done though.

When you do play on a site then its just right for you to ask out if they will neither accept or prohibit out on the country where you do live and most time it will really be shown up on their ToS
which we can anytime do read off.

If you do decide to proceed inspite of the cautions that had been said then it does mean that you've accepted the risk unless if you haven't read it up then don't get surprised
if something happens in near future and would really leave you no choice!


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Google+ on October 12, 2020, 10:22:49 PM
Because gambling is prohibited in my country, I have to play at gambling sites without any KYC procedures.

^ If you want to play gambling online even when it is restricted in your country, you may try to use another's people's identity outside your country and do your gambling's KYC under their name.  Also, you may try considering VPN to hide your true address as it will let you change your IP with the advantage of faking it. But always confront the gambling site regarding this matter if they will allow a user to use VPN. Nevertheless, why you are taking the risk on this kind of gambling sites that illegal, you can choose a licensed one that for sure all bets are regulated.
the risk is when using a fake identity but you get a lot of profit and have to do KYC or verify the identity used, it will be difficult, even though only a few gambling places do that, so I think you still have to be careful when using other people's identities.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Rengga Jati on October 12, 2020, 11:48:52 PM
It means that before entering a gambling site, we must know and learn the rules and regulations including the restriction in the gambling sites. We must ensure which country is restricted. Well, as in my country, gambling is illegal. I think there are also many countries that still not legalize gambling. However, many people from that country are involved in gambling sites because no KYC is needed. IN this case, VPN or other ways help them to play gambling although some sites of gambling sites may be restricted in their country.
About their problem and issue not be able to withdraw their funds, I think it relates to the T&C of the sites. That is why I said to learn and analyze it first.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: maydna on October 13, 2020, 02:31:10 AM
the risk is when using a fake identity but you get a lot of profit and have to do KYC or verify the identity used, it will be difficult, even though only a few gambling places do that, so I think you still have to be careful when using other people's identities.

We don't have to use that site if the site needed us to do KYC because we can find another gambling site that doesn't need KYC. It is why before we playing gambling by depositing some money, we need to check their rule first, so we can know if they require KYC or not.

If our country prohibits gambling, and we use VPN to visit on the gambling site, play the games, and suddenly we win, that site will allow us to withdraw the money. Perhaps we don't need to withdraw all of the win money because that can make them check our account first before the process can continue.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: efxes on October 13, 2020, 02:34:09 AM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

this topic is a little fresh for me ;(  I deserve my $15,000 in deposits back from Cloudbet, this isn't fair.  But I did break the terms of service.  I hope they re-consider their decision to keep my deposits i made that day.

if you can show some support for me receiving my $15,000 in deposits back that day I'd appreciate it so much.

Here:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.6880
Here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277995.80

and please consider leaving negative trust for a company that is taking the deposits of people that are caught using a VPN to play on their site (i shouldn't have done it, but I feel that they shouldn't confiscate this absurdly huge amount of money which I can't afford to have stolen)
Please consider leaving a negative trust or flag until they release my funds here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563





Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: peter0425 on October 13, 2020, 02:37:51 AM
Because gambling is prohibited in my country, I have to play at gambling sites without any KYC procedures. And gambling sites that don't
apply KYC don't necessarily accept all users, There are several gambling sites that prohibit countries where gambling is illegal. Therefore,
you should first read the terms and conditions, before deciding to play on the gambling site. If it is true that the gambling site prohibits
the country where we are from, then don't force playing on that gambling site. If you still insist on playing gambling, can make our account
blocked and our funds frozen. If this happens it will be detrimental to ourselves.


how come you can still play when gambling is illegal in your zone and you also said that a non kyc site wont accept users where gambling is illegal  .
you can use VPN to enter sites even those are prohibited in your country and since those are non KYC site then you can easily play.
Quote
may i know what site was that where you can still play because that will also help other users that have this problem .
Just use google almost majority of the gambling site don't require KYC
Quote
gambling is not illegal on my place and never been on a site where they restrict me , im lucky for that because i was also a gambler and i dont know what to do if im with yours situation .
Now you already Know that it is possible even it is banned in your country .


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: efxes on October 13, 2020, 02:40:47 AM

Cloudbet is making a big noise now there are many gambling sites that freeze their gamblers accounts once they saw that they are registered on a country where the gambling site do not accept gamblers, to avoid issues do not register or use  VPN you will get caught and the hardest thing to accept is when your account was freeze when you tried to withdraw your winnings, imagine they allow you to deposit but they will not allow you to withdraw your earnings because you break the rules, it's like they are just waiting for you to win so they can freeze your account.

Again, this is what i'm facing.  Cloudbet has taken my deposits and is not returning them.  It is a huge amount of money, about $15,000.

Please if this situation upsets you, please leave a negative trust and adding to the flag on the account until the company returns the money I deposited the same day I went to cash out they KYC and froze the funds and it's been weeks and I still haven't gotten it back and I went into an emotional wreck.  I will never do this again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154563

Consider leaving negative trust until they return the funds (if they do return them i will pm you to lift the community pressure).

Still it was my fault for breaking TOS, but it is still really cruel to take my deposits.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Rodeo02 on October 13, 2020, 03:34:53 AM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

this topic is a little fresh for me ;(  I deserve my $15,000 in deposits back from Cloudbet, this isn't fair.  But I did break the terms of service.  I hope they re-consider their decision to keep my deposits i made that day.

if you can show some support for me receiving my $15,000 in deposits back that day I'd appreciate it so much.

Here:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.6880
Here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277995.80

and please consider leaving negative trust for a company that is taking the deposits of people that are caught using a VPN to play on their site (i shouldn't have done it, but I feel that they shouldn't confiscate this absurdly huge amount of money which I can't afford to have stolen)
Please consider leaving a negative trust or flag until they release my funds here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563





You should read the terms first before playing witg that website. I know its big amount thats the reason why you always need to read everything you need to know before starting to play.

For negative trust only DT can give that, they will help you if they think its your right to have back your money. you have a thread already wait for them to come and listen to your explanation . For normal members of this forum they can only give feedback. Did you tried to post on cloudbet announcement about this? whats thier answer?


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: efxes on October 13, 2020, 03:57:26 AM
first i lied and said i was in mexico.

i felt bad for misleading forum members and confessed i played from USA in VPN.

Now awaiting cloudbet's response about how i can get my money back because before 2 years ago i had an account when USA was allowed on Cloudbet.  I had lost 2.7 bitcoins then.  Now I made 1.4 bitcoins but I also withdrew and then re-deposited.  I VPN'd in and now they want to take what i sent them that day, the 67 BCH sent.

It's confusing but I sent them about 80 BCH and went to withdraw 67 BCH and they are taking it because my account had profited more than that.  But my old account long time ago was down a lot of moeny to cloudbet, so i hope they pay me back.


At this point I am going to assume i'm not getting it back.  I only have $100 ro $200 left to my name, I trusted Cloudbet and they took the money from me, now I have nothing and no job, no income, i'm very scared.

any support in this case is appreciated.  I need the money back that i sent them that day.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: swogerino on October 13, 2020, 06:31:52 AM
I think that the only solution around this is to use a VPN which gives you the same IP of a country where gambling is allowed.However other people can use the same VPN and the same IP to reach the same site as you and this can lead to multi account frozen funds.If you can buy an IP for a country which is allowed in the site you could play,note that this is the most costly solution.IPv4 has been depleted but an IPv6 costs less,however the site you want to reach should be able to talk to IPv6 which is still not the case in many sites nowadays.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: iTradeChips on October 13, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
The person where his gambling money got freezed because of that issue definitely should have researched first if there would be consequences if he joined the said website and gamble on that website. If the website has no problem with VPN created accounts from those countries then that is good news for the gambler but if he did not know that the website has certain rules that they follow then all he could do is simply and hopefully make an appeal to the website to at least allow him to withdraw at least his initial money deposit and leave the site. 


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: tyz on October 13, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
In most cases TOS are not displayed well as it does not help in attracting gamblers. Gambling sites wants more gamblers so they'll just simply accept your bets regardless on where you are living as long as their system will not detect you but they could also implement the rules anytime they want and that's the risk pass on to the gamblers.

But this is also strongly dependent on how regulated the betting provider is. For example, Sportsbet has accepted German gamblers for years. Recently, every betting provider needs a German license to provide services to German betters. Since then Sportsbet blocks all betters from Germany. But this is also because Sportsbet is now officially operating in the UK and is therefore "regulated". All the others betting providers are located somewhere in small states like Malta, Gibraltar, Caribbean islands. Nevertheless, the blocks can be bypassed with VPN's.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: erikoy on October 13, 2020, 11:33:56 AM
Yes it is possible especially gambling sites that are not that known like those gambling sites using cryptocurrency. This will help those users that wishes to bet without getting caught and that will just avoid the gambling sites that require KYC when you join. As much as possible KYC must be avoided.

We all know that every government had set different priorities and when it comes to like online gambling the governments are not that fully aware of those gambling sites that are running so probably they could just ban some sites in their data base for community consumption but never it will going to ban other gambling sites that are not that known. Beside you can use VPN so that you can access the sites anytime that will make you to get the chance of being stealth while browsing in the gambling site.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: maxreish on October 13, 2020, 11:40:22 AM
Better to still play in an online gambling websites wherein your country is not on their TOR lists of prohibibited country.
Also, most of the players are capable of accessing the websites by the use of VPNs, right? That is why there are still players that are playing despite of the illegal protocols because there are still ways to access the websites.

But as far as the legalities are concerned, better to just stay away from those websites that aren't allowed in your country to avoid complicated and problems.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Botnake on October 13, 2020, 11:56:49 AM
Nevertheless, the blocks can be bypassed with VPN's.

That's always the best solution but that solution is always risky because it's hiding your IP address to prevent from the block coming from the site, by doing it, we should be aware of the risk that our account could sooner be compromise so it's not wise to invest in gambling with a decent money with that strategy.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Sadlife on October 13, 2020, 12:10:22 PM
Surely, you enter unverified gambling sites knowing the risk of it because anytime they could flee taking all your money away. I bet crypto gambling sites knowing this consequences, because its not regulated, and scenarios like that could happen, even if they're trusted sites. Because of having no license this gambling platforms will surely have negative effect in the long term.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: yazher on October 13, 2020, 01:24:57 PM
Nevertheless, the blocks can be bypassed with VPN's.

That's always the best solution but that solution is always risky because it's hiding your IP address to prevent from the block coming from the site, by doing it, we should be aware of the risk that our account could sooner be compromise so it's not wise to invest in gambling with a decent money with that strategy.

They can also detect if you are using VPN because some of them know some tricks to check whether you are using it or not. If they do so, they automatically suspect from those countries that banned gambling or where they cannot play gambling due to their country laws. So maybe the risk is your account will be temporarily locked and you will given a chance to prove you are not from those countries. This has happened to some users and we don't know whether they got their money back or not.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Debonaire217 on October 13, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
This could not be easily resolved, as gambling sites and even websites with other services could not always track their customers IP. Most of the time, people also use VPN to bypass restrictions for the sake of playing. So even if the platform puts a filter to know and limit users from restricted countries, it could not be possible.

But in case that a gambling site explicitly allowing bets from countries where gambling is illegal, it could be reported and SEC or the institution responsible for regulations could stop the sites operation which is not good especially for those who have funds inside the platform. Their accounts could be freezer and funds could be confiscated.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: sportbettor on October 13, 2020, 05:57:48 PM
Lately I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.
See here the List of the best Bookmakers that accept Cryptocurrency (most of them allow anonymous registration): http://sportstatist.com/bookmakers-that-accept-cryptocurrency-eng/


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Lanatsa on October 13, 2020, 10:52:24 PM
Nevertheless, the blocks can be bypassed with VPN's.

That's always the best solution but that solution is always risky because it's hiding your IP address to prevent from the block coming from the site, by doing it, we should be aware of the risk that our account could sooner be compromise so it's not wise to invest in gambling with a decent money with that strategy.

They can also detect if you are using VPN because some of them know some tricks to check whether you are using it or not. If they do so, they automatically suspect from those countries that banned gambling or where they cannot play gambling due to their country laws. So maybe the risk is your account will be temporarily locked and you will given a chance to prove you are not from those countries. This has happened to some users and we don't know whether they got their money back or not.
There are instances but not really that common unless if the said VPN ip do really matches out some users who do make use of it which will really be a problem
on where you do really need to verify anything that you do own that account.

When using up VPN then you do know the risk on these kind of circumstances that's why you should really prepared on what things can possibly happen ahead.

Once caught then confiscation is normal since you do violate their terms or site rules towards VPN or prohibited countries.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: pankowri on October 13, 2020, 11:23:25 PM
If you are going to be worried about gambling because your country doesn't allow you to, then I suggest you don't gamble at all.

Most of the casinos try to make everything as legal as possible because the future of that kind of company is brighter than an illegal one. If the member lives in a country that doesn't allow them, it's the law not to let them play.

Maybe if they try to find a casino that accepts VPN and doesn't care about where you live anywhere in the world, that's the site. But I'm afraid there's always a risk when playing in a casino like that. Maybe unexpected closing of the site or scam. It's sad.
This is the reflection of my thoughts that if your country doesn't allow anything whatever it is, you should avoid it. This will be the real patriotism. Being illegal may cost many things from you and you can be tracked.

By the way, I am from one of the third world countries of the world and here cryptocurrency isn't widely accepted. But we are using and trying to get facilities. The same thing is to gambling sites which are not legal in here but people still using it randomly


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Viscore on October 13, 2020, 11:45:06 PM
This could not be easily resolved, as gambling sites and even websites with other services could not always track their customers IP. Most of the time, people also use VPN to bypass restrictions for the sake of playing. So even if the platform puts a filter to know and limit users from restricted countries, it could not be possible.

Some sites know this trick already and using a VPN with an unknown IP address might compromise your account and freeze as they will suspect it as illegal entry. Using a VPN couldn't be exactly the best thing to do just to escape the said restriction, the tool to avoid such compromise account is to wait the moment that the authority will allow people to gamble, otherwise, you'll be in trouble once caught and might lose your money at their site. Of course, we don't want it to happen and we don't need to force ourselves by then.
Better to find other sites that don't have country restrictions.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: maydna on October 14, 2020, 12:15:30 AM
This could not be easily resolved, as gambling sites and even websites with other services could not always track their customers IP. Most of the time, people also use VPN to bypass restrictions for the sake of playing. So even if the platform puts a filter to know and limit users from restricted countries, it could not be possible.

Some sites know this trick already and using a VPN with an unknown IP address might compromise your account and freeze as they will suspect it as illegal entry. Using a VPN couldn't be exactly the best thing to do just to escape the said restriction, the tool to avoid such compromise account is to wait the moment that the authority will allow people to gamble, otherwise, you'll be in trouble once caught and might lose your money at their site. Of course, we don't want it to happen and we don't need to force ourselves by then.
Better to find other sites that don't have country restrictions.

I think the crypto gambling site allows people to visit on their site, whether they use a VPN or their real IP. The authority seems not making something related to their regulations about gambling in their country, and they don't ban the connection to that site.

I think that could be the sign for people from the country that prohibit gambling not to playing gambling too often because they don't know if someday, their authority will ban the connection or track the IP or their locations. That means if people want to play gambling, they should do that for entertainment purposes and not use it for making money. If they can win, that will be a bonus for them.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: crwth on October 14, 2020, 01:18:52 AM
This is the reflection of my thoughts that if your country doesn't allow anything whatever it is, you should avoid it. This will be the real patriotism. Being illegal may cost many things from you and you can be tracked.
It's just the right thing about it. It's either you risk yourself to be arrested because you are not following the law or have the "thrill" of getting away with it and possibly earn thousands of dollars and then get arrested. It's illegal either way. Unless you are above the law.  :o

By the way, I am from one of the third world countries of the world and here cryptocurrency isn't widely accepted. But we are using and trying to get facilities. The same thing is to gambling sites which are not legal in here but people still using it randomly
Maybe you are at the start of it and either way, it's still going to be a challenge to get everyone aboard the cryptocurrency space. And as I posted before, the one you quoted, if it's illegal in your country, don't do it.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Rodeo02 on October 14, 2020, 03:15:55 AM
This could not be easily resolved, as gambling sites and even websites with other services could not always track their customers IP. Most of the time, people also use VPN to bypass restrictions for the sake of playing. So even if the platform puts a filter to know and limit users from restricted countries, it could not be possible.

Some sites know this trick already and using a VPN with an unknown IP address might compromise your account and freeze as they will suspect it as illegal entry. Using a VPN couldn't be exactly the best thing to do just to escape the said restriction, the tool to avoid such compromise account is to wait the moment that the authority will allow people to gamble, otherwise, you'll be in trouble once caught and might lose your money at their site. Of course, we don't want it to happen and we don't need to force ourselves by then.
Better to find other sites that don't have country restrictions.
Look at what happen now in cloudbet there are complain about the freeze account which came from USA.

They can easily solve this by giving back the money that users deposit but they will require  users  documents and other data so they can know your exact location and see if they can give it back to you. same issuue that you can experience if you do this in other gambling sites.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Kasabus on October 14, 2020, 07:59:57 AM
This could not be easily resolved, as gambling sites and even websites with other services could not always track their customers IP. Most of the time, people also use VPN to bypass restrictions for the sake of playing. So even if the platform puts a filter to know and limit users from restricted countries, it could not be possible.

Some sites know this trick already and using a VPN with an unknown IP address might compromise your account and freeze as they will suspect it as illegal entry. Using a VPN couldn't be exactly the best thing to do just to escape the said restriction, the tool to avoid such compromise account is to wait the moment that the authority will allow people to gamble, otherwise, you'll be in trouble once caught and might lose your money at their site. Of course, we don't want it to happen and we don't need to force ourselves by then.
Better to find other sites that don't have country restrictions.
Look at what happen now in cloudbet there are complain about the freeze account which came from USA.

They can easily solve this by giving back the money that users deposit but they will require  users  documents and other data so they can know your exact location and see if they can give it back to you. same issuue that you can experience if you do this in other gambling sites.

They required and I think the users has already submitted the required documents and yet the amount was still withheld, that's the risk when gambling knowing it's illegal in your country, everyone should be ready to face that consequences if we still persist gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: madnessteat on October 14, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
This could not be easily resolved, as gambling sites and even websites with other services could not always track their customers IP. Most of the time, people also use VPN to bypass restrictions for the sake of playing. So even if the platform puts a filter to know and limit users from restricted countries, it could not be possible.

Some sites know this trick already and using a VPN with an unknown IP address might compromise your account and freeze as they will suspect it as illegal entry. Using a VPN couldn't be exactly the best thing to do just to escape the said restriction, the tool to avoid such compromise account is to wait the moment that the authority will allow people to gamble, otherwise, you'll be in trouble once caught and might lose your money at their site. Of course, we don't want it to happen and we don't need to force ourselves by then.
Better to find other sites that don't have country restrictions.
Look at what happen now in cloudbet there are complain about the freeze account which came from USA.

They can easily solve this by giving back the money that users deposit but they will require  users  documents and other data so they can know your exact location and see if they can give it back to you. same issuue that you can experience if you do this in other gambling sites.

I try not to reveal my identity. I always use a fictitious alias because I prefer third parties trying to make money on me do not know my real name. I never bring the amount of more than $50-100 to the gambling site, as signing a transaction of transfer of funds to the custodial platform can immediately consider this money lost forever.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: teosanru on October 14, 2020, 12:40:29 PM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.
I think this is pretty shady on part of those exchanges who do this. Especially if they block the funds After receiving deposit. If they really are so worried about dealing with people from these countries they must explicitly first ask every user their country before they allow him to enter the website and there should be clearly written a warning of freezing of funds. The small privacy policy really doesn't helps much because people generally don't read it. Some would argue that it's the user's mistake who do such things but many users actually don't even know if gambling is legal or illegal in their country. Even the laws relating to gambling in my country are so complex. You cannot do offline gambling but there is no law relating to online gambling so there is literally no clarity.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Nellayar on October 14, 2020, 01:30:14 PM
There are only few gambling sites that I am playing. Fortune jack and roobet are my favourite gambling sites. So far, I never feel any concerns about illegal gambling site to my country. Although I know there are illegal gambling sites, I did not try to open them up. I did not use also gambling which are banned in my country because I don't like performing KYC. This is why we should first read the terms and agreement so that we have prior knowledge about the protocols that the site implemented.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: goldade on October 14, 2020, 05:29:59 PM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

Since I understand the risk involved with having to gamble in sites that do not accept gamblers from my country, I stay from them as much as possible.
I actually learnt this the hard way. There was a time I gambled on a site that do not accept users from my country. I remember at registration, there was no need for KYC which was exactly why I signed up only for my account to be blocked some months after because my country isn't listed among the countries accepted. It was painful because I had quite a substantial amount of funds in it before it was blocked.
Now, I only gamble in sites that accept gamblers from my country


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Reid on October 14, 2020, 05:53:50 PM
VPN had always been the solution for me.  ;)
There was one time that I cannot log in with one of the known sports betting website.
The funny thing is, I am already signed up months ago.
I tried to log in like 5 times thinking it was just an error. It warns me that it was not allowed in my country.
Tried everything like restarting my computer and internet connection but nothing solves it.
Lastly, I tried turning off my anti-virus and it was solved.
I think those anti-viruses also have features of blocking some websites or logging in.

We will always be gamblers, soft, or hardcore.
Thankfully, cryptocurrencies and the internet made it easier. The issue will be on how disciplined you could be.



Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: mezzaluna on October 14, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

KYC would be already the best way to see where their users are coming from and these users can also gain fake identities and have the ability to cover their tracks if they are using TOR (The Onion Router) and VPN's. These steps would be enough for someone to be able to gamble in places that gambling is illegal BUT somehow the moral compass of gambling websites are still for the greater good and that is why maybe they should just block some countries from accessing it? (But still VPN's are able to go pass thru this).


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Kasabus on October 15, 2020, 08:08:08 AM
Hi guys, this could be a great discussion for us to get some tips to help minimize the risk as although we are aware that our favorite gambling sites does not allow certain countries to use the site and yet we are still persisting to gamble. Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.

However, lately, I've seen some complaints from user on account getting blocked or funds got frozen because such user belongs to a certain country where listed in the site not allowed to gamble, so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

To my fellow gambles, don't be shy to share your opinion, advises and experience so everyone will be aware.

KYC would be already the best way to see where their users are coming from and these users can also gain fake identities and have the ability to cover their tracks if they are using TOR (The Onion Router) and VPN's. These steps would be enough for someone to be able to gamble in places that gambling is illegal BUT somehow the moral compass of gambling websites are still for the greater good and that is why maybe they should just block some countries from accessing it?
KYC wouldn't help if gambling sites would advocate the anonymous gambling, it just doesn't make sense IMO, they advertise anonymous gambling, allow you to gamble once and later you'll be required some KYC documents, that doesn't sound fair, but it's their rule so we have to be careful with that.

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(But still VPN's are able to go pass thru this).
You can only pass this if you IP is blocked but if it's your identity, no chance as your account is already tied with your identity.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: FontSeli on October 15, 2020, 10:59:00 PM
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 Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.
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This is a problem for most players. When you check the box that you have read and agree to the ToS, you are performing a legally significant action, which means that you fully and unconditionally agree to the rules and are ready to comply with them. If you are a resident of a country whose citizens are not allowed to play on this site, then you must leave this site yourself. The site should not calculate you by IP and block your access. After all, citizens of other countries may temporarily stay in your country and this will limit their ability to play.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: STT on October 15, 2020, 11:56:35 PM
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I try to stay away from platforms that does not cater to my country

Probably the best decision or if you have little choice available then reduce size because unfortunately its adding so much extra risk of loss to the game.  Keep it at friendly levels where you dont store too much in one place.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: BuNga_cute on October 16, 2020, 01:33:19 AM
I always read the TOS from the gambling site before I finally decide to join, because I will not force playing on gambling sites which
prohibits my country from playing there. I don't want my account to end up being blocked and my funds being frozen too. Because
there are certainly many other gambling sites that don't ban our country. My goal of playing gambling is for entertainment, so I don't
want my fun to be disturbed just because my account is blocked by selecting gambling sites that prohibit our country from playing.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: maydna on October 16, 2020, 01:40:48 AM
I always read the TOS from the gambling site before I finally decide to join, because I will not force playing on gambling sites which
prohibits my country from playing there. I don't want my account to end up being blocked and my funds being frozen too. Because
there are certainly many other gambling sites that don't ban our country. My goal of playing gambling is for entertainment, so I don't
want my fun to be disturbed just because my account is blocked by selecting gambling sites that prohibit our country from playing.

Not many people read the TOS from the gambling site because they directly register or join that site. That is good if you read that before joining, so you know if your country prohibits playing gambling on that site. But mostly, if we are only playing gambling for fun, and not because of making money, we don't have to check the TOS because our reason for playing gambling is only to kill the free time and boredom.

It will always better if we use gambling as entertainment and not use it to make money because that will be difficult to get that money. As long as we enjoy playing gambling, we don't have to worry about the block if it does not have a strict rule.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on October 16, 2020, 10:53:03 AM
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: reliable on October 16, 2020, 10:57:51 AM
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.

It is very critical point you have raised and very few will go through those terms and condition mentioned on the site. It’s more like people want to make money form gambling and always excited about it rather than forgetting the worst scenarios that can take place. Unless it is legal in your country then all is fine.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Oilacris on October 16, 2020, 10:58:03 AM
I always read the TOS from the gambling site before I finally decide to join, because I will not force playing on gambling sites which
prohibits my country from playing there. I don't want my account to end up being blocked and my funds being frozen too. Because
there are certainly many other gambling sites that don't ban our country. My goal of playing gambling is for entertainment, so I don't
want my fun to be disturbed just because my account is blocked by selecting gambling sites that prohibit our country from playing.

Not many people read the TOS from the gambling site because they directly register or join that site. That is good if you read that before joining, so you know if your country prohibits playing gambling on that site. But mostly, if we are only playing gambling for fun, and not because of making money, we don't have to check the TOS because our reason for playing gambling is only to kill the free time and boredom.

It will always better if we use gambling as entertainment and not use it to make money because that will be difficult to get that money. As long as we enjoy playing gambling, we don't have to worry about the block if it does not have a strict rule.
You cant say that because not all would really be willing to be blocked immediately after you do make out some deposit even if its just $10 or more then that is something that someone cant really ignore
or just say that they wont care if they would be locked out just because you just deposit for the sake of fun.Thats not how everybody do have that kind of thinking.

Reading up ToS is always recommendable but to know that most of gambling sites do automatically block out countries and its up to someone if he opt out for making use of VPN or Tor on accessing the
site just because they do like to play on it badly.

If you do know its illegal then why proceed? If you do like to gamble out and doesnt mind on the rules then its your choice but dont get shocked if they will block you out.
because it had been stated on their terms about their rights if someone do violates.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: erikoy on October 16, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
I think this is quite risky because if you do not want to have any issues with your account and funds better use a gambling platform that supports your country.
Even you can use a VPN still if they detect another login with your account there is a chance they will freeze it.

Sometimes before you play to their platform at the register startup they already give a warning or banned your IP to prevent creating an account.
Yeah I agree with your point and just let me add few things in it. If OP or anyone who will going to join in a gambling platform to which your country are not allowing the citizens to join any gambling site platform then the result when time comes that the gambling site will going to ask KYC due to some regulations that might hit them and then you funds will put to hold then that would be a big problem if you will do KYC your identity will exposed and the result you can get caught to either the gambling platform not allowing you to join in the gambling platforms anymore or the government itself will going to know that there are users that had been violating their regulations that against to it.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Botnake on October 16, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.
I'm guilty, lol.. I don't really consider TOS as a big deal though as I know if a site has a good reputation, they won't scam people and most TOS are almost the same with other sites, so if I have a good experience gambling with other sites, I expect I won't face a problem with any sites, as long as it's reputable.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: btc78 on October 16, 2020, 12:31:41 PM
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.
I'm guilty, lol.. I don't really consider TOS as a big deal though as I know if a site has a good reputation, they won't scam people and most TOS are almost the same with other sites, so if I have a good experience gambling with other sites, I expect I won't face a problem with any sites, as long as it's reputable.
actually every gambler must  read and understand the TOS of each site they are going to play on,because if not then you will accept that being fooled if the site is scam?

i don't know why there are gambler that will just play in new site from them than those old casinos that has been trusted for long time by many gamblers.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: onecall123 on October 16, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.
This is extremely obvious picture the greater part of ours. Even myself barely make out some times to look upon the TOS page of any gambling site. There is a system where anyone can bypass the restrictions issue by using any VPN service. As a responsible gamblers everyone should keep away from such pointless activities yet it's what happened and end up losing our assets.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: DabsPoorVersion on October 16, 2020, 01:55:48 PM
so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,

If a certain gambling site included my country from their blacklist, then I do not consider trying to play on that site. No hassle if there will be some problems like this and there's no need for me to think of a solution if my account will be blocked if ever that I will be caught.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: maydna on October 17, 2020, 12:19:06 AM
~snip~
You cant say that because not all would really be willing to be blocked immediately after you do make out some deposit even if its just $10 or more then that is something that someone cant really ignore
or just say that they wont care if they would be locked out just because you just deposit for the sake of fun.Thats not how everybody do have that kind of thinking.

Reading up ToS is always recommendable but to know that most of gambling sites do automatically block out countries and its up to someone if he opt out for making use of VPN or Tor on accessing the
site just because they do like to play on it badly.

If you do know its illegal then why proceed? If you do like to gamble out and doesnt mind on the rules then its your choice but dont get shocked if they will block you out.
because it had been stated on their terms about their rights if someone do violates.

I think every person who already knows to gamble and play on the gambling website will have their favorite website or the site that they always visit to play. They will not try to play on the other website without reading or searching for more info because they feel comfortable with the site they always use.

Most people will not try to use big money for the first time deposit before knowing many things about the site, including deposit, withdrawal, using VPN, KYC, etc.

We can see many gambling sites accept the gambler from the country where gambling is illegal, and the site is a recommended gambling website. So if that gambler wins, that site allows the gambler to withdraw the money, and I am sure the gambler will have their way to where they will withdraw the money.

As long as you can know where you should playing gambling, and you have a list of gambling website which is not blocked your account, even if you come from the country which gambling is prohibited, you can stay at that website, and don't try to visit on the other gambling website.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: mirakal on October 19, 2020, 12:28:53 PM
so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,

If a certain gambling site included my country from their blacklist, then I do not consider trying to play on that site. No hassle if there will be some problems like this and there's no need for me to think of a solution if my account will be blocked if ever that I will be caught.

What if those sites are the best sites in the space? would you just gamble on sites with bad reputation that you are at a high risk of getting scam?
For me, I would rather gamble in a site that my country is in black list, as long as they'll not require KYC, they would not know but the moment my account will be compromise, I'm okay with it as I know the time would come.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 19, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,

If a certain gambling site included my country from their blacklist, then I do not consider trying to play on that site. No hassle if there will be some problems like this and there's no need for me to think of a solution if my account will be blocked if ever that I will be caught.

What if those sites are the best sites in the space? would you just gamble on sites with bad reputation that you are at a high risk of getting scam?
For me, I would rather gamble in a site that my country is in black list, as long as they'll not require KYC, they would not know but the moment my account will be compromise, I'm okay with it as I know the time would come.

This is a hypothetical question. If that happens, then I might also end up using the trusted site even if that site is not legally available in my country. But this is not the same with the reality. In reality, there are just so many available gambling sites out there with good reputations. We are not only given a few choices.

If the best site is blacklisting my country, that wouldn't be a problem at all because that does not mean that what is left are all bad sites. There must also be some good sites apart from the best one.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: mirakal on October 19, 2020, 01:42:17 PM
so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,

If a certain gambling site included my country from their blacklist, then I do not consider trying to play on that site. No hassle if there will be some problems like this and there's no need for me to think of a solution if my account will be blocked if ever that I will be caught.

What if those sites are the best sites in the space? would you just gamble on sites with bad reputation that you are at a high risk of getting scam?
For me, I would rather gamble in a site that my country is in black list, as long as they'll not require KYC, they would not know but the moment my account will be compromise, I'm okay with it as I know the time would come.

This is a hypothetical question. If that happens, then I might also end up using the trusted site even if that site is not legally available in my country. But this is not the same with the reality. In reality, there are just so many available gambling sites out there with good reputations. We are not only given a few choices.

If the best site is blacklisting my country, that wouldn't be a problem at all because that does not mean that what is left are all bad sites. There must also be some good sites apart from the best one.

At the current market status, we can surely find a lot of alternatives, but that question is for those who really have a problem in gambling as most of the gambling sites are blacklisting their country, I think it's possible as regulators sometimes follow the same standard.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: dimonstration on October 19, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,

If a certain gambling site included my country from their blacklist, then I do not consider trying to play on that site. No hassle if there will be some problems like this and there's no need for me to think of a solution if my account will be blocked if ever that I will be caught.
This should be the mindset of the players to avoid problems since they might get problem in their withdrawal transactions especially if it will includes suddenly a KYC and he will need to find someone to do it for them. We should know whether our country is restricted in that casino since there are already many casino to choose from, that may accept our country to avoid any issues althroughout the game and we can contact the support anytime without a fear of violating their rules.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: rodskee on October 19, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,

If a certain gambling site included my country from their blacklist, then I do not consider trying to play on that site. No hassle if there will be some problems like this and there's no need for me to think of a solution if my account will be blocked if ever that I will be caught.
This should be the mindset of the players to avoid problems since they might get problem in their withdrawal transactions especially if it will includes suddenly a KYC and he will need to find someone to do it for them. We should know whether our country is restricted in that casino since there are already many casino to choose from, that may accept our country to avoid any issues althroughout the game and we can contact the support anytime without a fear of violating their rules.
actually issue only comes when you need to withdraw Big amount meaning if you win High rolls but for simple and small amount?you will find no big deal from them.
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.
actually people skip reading TOS because almost all of the gambling sites has the same so they need no reason to read the same thing over and over again.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Sanitough on October 19, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
actually people skip reading TOS because almost all of the gambling sites has the same so they need no reason to read the same thing over and over again.

Some does not really read the TOS of the sites they are gambling, they have no idea what's written.

Refer to this thread, Do you read the TOS of a gambling site? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282408.0) and vote so you'll see how many members are not reading the TOS.

https://i.imgur.com/Bsz9YQZ.png


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: tyz on October 19, 2020, 07:09:13 PM
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.

This is a true point. Many scam allegations are also based on the fact that people simply haven't read the ToS. For example, there was a recent case where someone made a bigger profit with a free bonus. The user were then asked for a KYC at the withdrawal request. The winner did not want to make it because he came from a country that was not accepted by the casino. In the ToS it was clearly written that for larger winnings with a free bonus a KYC is required, also that users from the country the user came from are not allowed. The user simply did not read it and then yelled around that the casino is a scam.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: milewilda on October 19, 2020, 10:59:20 PM
Many gamblers doesn't really reads the TOS because they are to excited to play and gamble, that is why they end up losing their account and funds in a gambling site. You should always check the TOS of a gambling site before you register or signup for you to know if it is safe to play in your country and deposit your funds because your account will be useless when your account suddenly froze and banned.

This is a true point. Many scam allegations are also based on the fact that people simply haven't read the ToS. For example, there was a recent case where someone made a bigger profit with a free bonus. The user were then asked for a KYC at the withdrawal request. The winner did not want to make it because he came from a country that was not accepted by the casino. In the ToS it was clearly written that for larger winnings with a free bonus a KYC is required, also that users from the country the user came from are not allowed. The user simply did not read it and then yelled around that the casino is a scam.
Common case for some people who do really make accusation without even knowing first that they had already violate on site rules or tos which he would soon realize that he's the one on fault on here
and that whine of those people or accusations wont really be that relevant nor effective because people or the community will always look on whose the one who are on the right position
and also we arent that dumb on making blind decisions or whom to believe.

If its illegal then better not to proceed and if you do then expect on what would be things that would be possibly asked ahead.So its better to obey and just rather skipped out
if you do saw a gambling site that do prohibit out users on a certain region.Also with other terms as well that tied up to bonuses etc.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Webetcoins on October 20, 2020, 05:23:02 AM
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 Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.
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This is a problem for most players. When you check the box that you have read and agree to the ToS, you are performing a legally significant action, which means that you fully and unconditionally agree to the rules and are ready to comply with them. If you are a resident of a country whose citizens are not allowed to play on this site, then you must leave this site yourself. The site should not calculate you by IP and block your access. After all, citizens of other countries may temporarily stay in your country and this will limit their ability to play.
Actually when I was on trip a few years back and tried to access bet365 they restricted my login and when I asked their support why I am unable to place bets they asked me if I am on vacation or changed my country of residence and I said the former obviously. They then asked me to make bets once I return to my residence country so maybe this is something crypto casinos and sportsbook can implement too if they want.

A player does not know if the website allows users from their country and at least the website should open a popup that reads, we do not accept members from your country, then 2 options: A- I am not from this country B- I am from this country, exit. This allows players to know they are breaking rules if they select option A intentionally.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: bitcoin31 on October 20, 2020, 06:44:47 AM
it is really important for us as player to read TOS because by reading that we can know what is needed to us to avoid or what is not we cannot to do by using their gambling sites. I hope it will not happen to me what happened to the others but my country I think is not strict in the online gambling unless they implement to ban it for sure I cannot access the gambling website but I think if the system or apps will help to access a gambling sites that blocked from one country.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: peter0425 on October 20, 2020, 06:48:14 AM
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 Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.
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This is a problem for most players. When you check the box that you have read and agree to the ToS, you are performing a legally significant action, which means that you fully and unconditionally agree to the rules and are ready to comply with them. If you are a resident of a country whose citizens are not allowed to play on this site, then you must leave this site yourself. The site should not calculate you by IP and block your access. After all, citizens of other countries may temporarily stay in your country and this will limit their ability to play.
Actually when I was on trip a few years back and tried to access bet365 they restricted my login and when I asked their support why I am unable to place bets they asked me if I am on vacation or changed my country of residence and I said the former obviously. They then asked me to make bets once I return to my residence country so maybe this is something crypto casinos and sportsbook can implement too if they want.
Seems you are not using VPN that time mate so they tracked your IP address and appear that you are using IP address in which comes from countries banned on their site.
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A player does not know if the website allows users from their country and at least the website should open a popup that reads, we do not accept members from your country, then 2 options: A- I am not from this country B- I am from this country, exit. This allows players to know they are breaking rules if they select option A intentionally.
This is how VPN is very important mate and the bad thing about your experience is you came don't know how to hide your IP address so checking is too easy for you.


Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,


Sometimes you will be at the places in which gambling is restricted or the sites you use to play is banned,option will be in place once this happens.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: Fundamentals Of on October 20, 2020, 02:28:55 PM
so I would like to hear your thoughts on how to deal with this kind of possibility that could happen to us since we still gamble despite knowing we are discourage not to.

Well, the main solution on how to deal with this is to avoid those sites,

If a certain gambling site included my country from their blacklist, then I do not consider trying to play on that site. No hassle if there will be some problems like this and there's no need for me to think of a solution if my account will be blocked if ever that I will be caught.

What if those sites are the best sites in the space? would you just gamble on sites with bad reputation that you are at a high risk of getting scam?
For me, I would rather gamble in a site that my country is in black list, as long as they'll not require KYC, they would not know but the moment my account will be compromise, I'm okay with it as I know the time would come.

This is a hypothetical question. If that happens, then I might also end up using the trusted site even if that site is not legally available in my country. But this is not the same with the reality. In reality, there are just so many available gambling sites out there with good reputations. We are not only given a few choices.

If the best site is blacklisting my country, that wouldn't be a problem at all because that does not mean that what is left are all bad sites. There must also be some good sites apart from the best one.

At the current market status, we can surely find a lot of alternatives, but that question is for those who really have a problem in gambling as most of the gambling sites are blacklisting their country, I think it's possible as regulators sometimes follow the same standard.

There are only a few countries where blacklisting is focused on. Countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, North Korea, etc. are among them. These are the common countries where gambling sites, ICO, exchanges, etc. are not offering their goods and services.

In these countries, it is hard to really find a gambling site catering to their citizens. If there are, most probably these are the sites which are not even licensed at all. So the risk is already there by the mere fact that you are gambling if you are from any of this country.

From that fact alone, you better not gamble at all or face the risk of having your account blocked as soon as it is discovered that you are from one of their restricted countries.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: tyz on October 20, 2020, 04:22:26 PM
If its illegal then better not to proceed and if you do then expect on what would be things that would be possibly asked ahead.So its better to obey and just rather skipped out
if you do saw a gambling site that do prohibit out users on a certain region.Also with other terms as well that tied up to bonuses etc.

The thing is, most even don't know that they do illegal activities on gambling platforms just because they did not read the ToS. Of course, some ToS are really strange. But in the end it is your own responsibility to read the ToS before registration and if you check the box and it sounds okay, then you accept it, no matter how strange it may seem


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: 3meek on October 20, 2020, 05:02:31 PM
If the site forces to pass KYC, then I would leave such a place without thinking! For geoblocking is usually suitable VPN service, with the choice of the country that is allowed on the site!


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: adzino on October 20, 2020, 07:51:11 PM
No legitimate gambling sites accepts bets from countries where gambling is illegal on purpose. READ their TERMS OF SERVICE. It is you who is breaching their terms of service. They clearly told you to stayaway from their casino, but you still enter and place bets over there. They are not required to ID check everyone, unless you seem suspicious. They do take measures to make sure people from restricted countries don't gamble in casino. But people easily circumvent into the casino and starts playing. So you can't blame the casino. Its like blaming the government if someone breaks the law.
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Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.
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You should. They don't ask for you KYC right away, but they will eventually if you keep on playing and then you will lose your funds. I have seen a lot of people crying over here after their accounts got frozen because they broke their Terms.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: FontSeli on October 20, 2020, 07:59:29 PM
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 Personally, I don't read all the TOS in most sites I'm using as they didn't require a KYC so it's useless read all that when I believe I'm not covered since they will not know my real identity or where I am living.
~

This is a problem for most players. When you check the box that you have read and agree to the ToS, you are performing a legally significant action, which means that you fully and unconditionally agree to the rules and are ready to comply with them. If you are a resident of a country whose citizens are not allowed to play on this site, then you must leave this site yourself. The site should not calculate you by IP and block your access. After all, citizens of other countries may temporarily stay in your country and this will limit their ability to play.
Actually when I was on trip a few years back and tried to access bet365 they restricted my login and when I asked their support why I am unable to place bets they asked me if I am on vacation or changed my country of residence and I said the former obviously. They then asked me to make bets once I return to my residence country so maybe this is something crypto casinos and sportsbook can implement too if they want.

A player does not know if the website allows users from their country and at least the website should open a popup that reads, we do not accept members from your country, then 2 options: A- I am not from this country B- I am from this country, exit. This allows players to know they are breaking rules if they select option A intentionally.

I also think that it is not necessary to restrict access to anyone just because they have an IP address from a country whose citizens are not allowed to play on the site. It is enough to issue a warning every time a person from this IP goes to the casino site in order for the person to confirm that he is not a citizen of a prohibited country.


Title: Re: Gambling sites accepting bets from countries where gambling is illegal.
Post by: CarnagexD on October 20, 2020, 10:07:28 PM
it is really important for us as player to read TOS because by reading that we can know what is needed to us to avoid or what is not we cannot to do by using their gambling sites. I hope it will not happen to me what happened to the others but my country I think is not strict in the online gambling unless they implement to ban it for sure I cannot access the gambling website but I think if the system or apps will help to access a gambling sites that blocked from one country.
But who reads them, honestly speaking? A lot of people will shrug these agreements of because they want to jump off into the action immediately. Admittedly, I am one of those people. Nevertheless, if they can make reading it a bit interactive that will pump the percentage of the people who will read it. Perhaps give a bit of an incentive to the player for finishing a part of the TOS. Some kind of that.