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Ok, so I thought I'd start a new thread now that the inevitable has happened.
Trump not convicted ...what a surprise.
But now he's out of office and no longer immune from criminal prosecution, will he be indicted?
And held accountable for his actions during his presidency (among other things) in a criminal court, rather than an impeachment trial in the senate where we all knew
it was a fore gone conclusion that the spineless retrumplican toadies would vote for acquittal, no matter what evidence the house managers presented.

Not so much a surprise to me, despite the charge of insurrection levelled against Trump, it is quite difficult to imagine a past president in prison.

I've said it before, and this—as you say, foregone conclusion—casts it into sharp focus: two-party politics is a joke. The overriding objective is always always defend your side and attack the other side. This is the prime motivating factor in the decisions they make. Actual representation of legitimate voter interests comes a distant second.


I would say it's unlikely. He has a huge base (https://i.imgur.com/FYEDaLs.jpg) of support, and any consideration to prosecute him would have to weight the pros against the cons... it could lead to massive civil unrest on a scale we haven't seen before - I mean, look what happened when he lost a fair election, that was enough to provoke a small-scale coup attempt. Plus if he was convicted, how would a former president serve jail time? The logistical difficulties would seem insurmountable. Would there be secret service protection in adjoining cells? And if jail time was ruled out, then it's difficult to see how a fine would affect him, or how house arrest at Mar-a-Lago would be in any sense a punishment.

As with the impeachment, I would say that regardless of whether he is guilty of any crimes, the chance of a prosecution is extremely low.

Trump out and free.
Is there ever an evidence to show that is big enough to take the formal president to jail, I gues your answer is good as mine none for now so the house may end up swiping the Trump impeachment and trial under the carpet.

I decided to bump this thread as it look like things are heating up now.... (about frikkin time albeit like they say...."the Wheels of justice grind slow, but grind fine”)

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/grand-jury-trump-criminal-investigation-indictment-charges-da-vance.html

Of all Trump's grifts, this one is one of my favorites:

https://time.com/5607302/donald-trump-state-park/

Bought some land for $3 million, tried to build a golf course but couldn't, then donated the land to the state and valued it at $26 million - nice tax write-off more than sufficient to cover the $3 million cost. Stiffed a consultant along the way, just for shits and giggles.

The problem is of course that he doesn't seem to have done an appraisal as IRS requires and it's very doubtful the land is worth that much, i.e. fraud.

A sick part of me wishes they would kill him in jail like Epstein just so you liberals would have nothing to talk about. You can't blame a dead man for anything as they practically blamed him for all the world's woes. I think they would turn him back into a zombie just so they could have someone to blame. :D The only thing I really blame him for though is starting the lockdown bullsh!t and letting it run for his last year in office. He was doing good before all of that besides the Russian collusion BS which everyone ignored. I bet yall are the ones that buy high and sell low because you believe all the hype and FUD because the media is all about hype and propaganda.

Did Trump do something bad? Biden and the Dem leaders are way worse. So, Trump's acquittal is like precedent for the Dems, when their turn comes.

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Wow! What a rip-off! Honestly, I thought this type of human greed only happens with leaders in the African continent. Now I know better. Going forward, I'm still amused as to why Donald Trump is yet to be charged with inciting his supporters to disrupt the Capitol while Congress was sitting on that said day of Jan 6, 2021 in his allegation of electoral malfeasance. It goes to show that even in the supposed sane societies laws are also bent to serve certain interest. In this case, it would seem that Americans may want to prevent a record from being set — of an indicted and imprisoned ex-president. I'm sure if the case is perused properly, Donald Trump will be found wanting to have broken a law or two.

I think Trump will be safe because indicting him would be a bad precedent and that could stir up political life across the country. The former presidents of the United States will be blamed.
What I don't like about Trump is that he has passively responded to COVID-19 and let the consequences be severe. Trump's tweets after running for paper sent a wave of contradictions among Americans. It's incitement to division, which I consider bad.

The Capitol riots were done by Dem and Soros-paid infiltrators.

Trump was blocked by the county from building his golf course. What he did is being done by thousands of wealthy people all over the USA and the world. No greed involved. Simply smart operations. The American dream. Go after it if you want.

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At least one grand jury is deciding now:

Prosecutor in Trump criminal probe convenes grand jury to hear evidence, weigh potential charges
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-investigation-grand-jury/2021/05/25/5f47911c-bcca-11eb-83e3-0ca705a96ba4_story.html

The fraud he committed before becoming president is likely the least of his worries though.  Cases like this seem like a great opportunity for prosecutors to get those in his inner circle to flip on him to avoid prison.  Remember, if you want to cooperate with the feds and work out a deal, you gotta share everything about any potential crime.  

Trump needs Allen Weisselberg and Rudy to be willing to go to prison for him.

Can I just draw your attention to this post:

How can you remember where and when he says such things. Also how to locate I've been wondering how can I quote his other quotes from past months when he is contradicting it in his other posts.

And I will guest he will reply similar to things like this "people made mistake as I made the mistake, i must be drunk or something" something like that.

Well, not specific to this person, but if you want to quote something crazy that you remember from months ago, for example, the phrase "a good soak with MMS (Jim Humble) will even cancel out most of the poison", then just go to that person's profile, and go back through their post history searching for the phrase or keyword that you remember. Then, when you find the post, click the quote button, copy the relevant section, and paste it into your reply.

Well its quite easy if you want to quote any ridiculous post by BADecker...simply go to his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149737;sa=showPosts) and take your pick. Anyone will do.....


OOPS.. getting off topic... my bad....
Yes, Trump will be indicted...just a matter of time.

We should really start hashtagging some of the craziest things said that will surely be funny to look back on in the future, then you can just search for the hashtag.

#BADeckerHOF could work

There were many cases that Mueller's team prosecuted that were intended to do exactly this, however, Trump was never implicated in any crime.

If anyone had knowledge of Trump's crimes, it would have been Cohen, and he was unable to offer testimony implicating Trump in any kind of illegal behavior.

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I think Trump will probably be indicted, but it is almost certain that the charges will be frivolous and he will ultimately prevail in court.

Will Trump be indicted ?


An indictment simply means that somebody decides to make a formal accusation, and take it to court. It doesn't mean guilt or innocence. It means, Lets get to court and find out. You jokers are stupidly making so much about nothing. Even if Trump is guilty of something, his attorneys will draw it out so long, that his accusers will back off; too expensive.


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A federal indictment is pretty damn serious.  They don't bring cases without overwhelming evidence, especially against a former president.  I believe the conviction rate is close to 99%, most of which are plea deals.

For Trump, it might be... because he doesn't know the law. If he isn't in office any longer, and doesn't mind losing some of the benefits, all he needs to do is stand as a man rather than a person. The indictment paperwork list Trump, a person. Trump is a man, and for sure is not that person on the indictment... except if he accepts being that person. Let the person on the indictment get locked away if they want. It isn't Trump the man. But he has to take that stance if he wants to avoid being indicted.

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I don't think trump will be indicted a motion to impeach former us president donald trump has been raised in the country's upper house of parliament the senate however, a majority of senators from his own party, the republican party voted against the proposal. Trump is getting exemption from impeachment trial in support of party lawmakers none of my true supporters will ever support political violence he has taken many safe measures to deal with the corona virus.

Michael Cohen literally implicated Trump in his guilty plea (as individual number 1).  Trump instructed Cohen to create a shell company to funnel money through, and also set up an arrangment with a tabloid, both with the sole purpose of hiding transactions from the FEC.  

He also implicated Trump while testifying in front of congress (despite Trump publicly attempting to intimidate him right before, another felony) the real estate deal for Trump Tower Moscow.

Then there's the whole Trump organization investigation, which will likely be Trumps first indictment.  We don't know whether or not Cohen has implicated Trump under oath yet since he hasn't had the opportunity to do so and the criminal investigation is ongoing.  But it sure seems likely.

Definitely popcorn time

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/politics/trump-organization-allen-weisselberg/index.html


https://i.imgur.com/COWpgA0.gif

Many legal experts and law professors are saying that it is highly unusual for these types of charges being filed against the Trump org and the CFO without additional, more serious charges also being filed.

It is almost as if the charges are politically motivated. Or almost as if the DA made campaign promises to charge Trump and associates with baseless crimes.

Ben Shapiro moment  ;D


IMO - Politically motivated witch hunts are still politically motivated.

Two things are true - if he committed crimes, he can enjoy the prison food. But I also hope everyone, even democrat and republican politicians, are held to the same standard of law. And plus, if it turns out he's innocent, then I feel bad that he may have been the target of political charges.



Obviously we'll see it play out in court, but I doubt these crimes will be baseless because let's be honest, every one of these wall st exec have their hands dirty. Still though, innocent until proven guilty, always. It'll probably be a case of "barely legal."

Say there are two traffic cameras exactly one mile apart in an area in which the speed limit is 30 MPH. The DA could review the footage, see that a Trump associate took 116 seconds to travel the distance between the two lights, and charges him with speeding. The Trump associate was breaking the law -- he was going 1 mile over the speed limit, which is illegal, but this does not mean that the law is applied to everyone else, or that the DA was not looking specifically to charge this particular person with a crime.

If the Trump org was audited in the timeframe of the alleged crimes, this would probably be a pretty strong defense, especially if the audit was done by the NY IRS, and even more so, if the audit resulted in additional taxes being paid not involving the fringe benefits.

The amount of tax revenue that NY state lost out on is very small, and is probably less than the cost of the investigation, somewhere in the range of $8000 or so per year over 15 years. This is also not to say that the Trump org didn't offset some of this with higher corporate taxes on their end.

It is almost as if your defense of Trump is politically motivated.  Almost as if you're not interested in whether someone is guilty or not as much as whether they have a D or an R next to their name.  Almost as if D = Guilty, R = Witch Hunt.

Say there are two traffic cameras exactly one mile apart in an area in which the speed limit is 30 MPH. The DA could review the footage, see that a Trump associate took 116 seconds to travel the ctemtsdistance between the two lights, and charges him with speeding. The Trump associate was breaking the law -- he was going 1 mile over the speed limit, which is illegal, but this does not mean that the law is applied to everyone else, or that the DA was not looking specifically to charge this particular person with a crime.

If the Trump org was audited in the timeframe of the alleged crimes, this would probably be a pretty strong defense, especially if the audit was done by the NY IRS, and even more so, if the audit resulted in additional taxes being paid not involving the fringe benefits.

The amount of tax revenue that NY state lost out on is very small, and is probably less than the cost of the investigation, somewhere in the range of $8000 or so per year over 15 years. This is also not to say that the Trump org didn't offset some of this with higher corporate taxes on their end.
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Bad analogy here in NY traffic cameras show your speed as you were going past them. Usually with both radar and another method. I have a collection of some really nice shots of my motorcycle from them if you want. It's an instant image at an actual moment in time of how fast you were going.

As for the taxes:
Remember you pay part of your income tax and the company pays the other part.
If what was released was true they, were paying for other things (some of which were over $100k) for him and others and not recording it as income. So your $8k number is WAYYYYYY low.

And yes they were audited during the time, but the audit was paused during the time DT was president.

And on top of all of that, so far they have just charged them for 1 person many more are coming.

-Dave

Okay fair enough, Ive never been in NY long enough to know how the traffic cameras work, but I think you understand the annology.

In 2015, the top tax bracket (https://taxfoundation.org/state-individual-income-tax-rates-and-brackets-2015/) in New York was 8.82%, and today it is 10.9%. In 2005, when it is alledged this started, the top tax bracket (https://www.tax-brackets.org/newyorktaxtable/2006) was 6.85%. The allegation is that $1.7 million in compensation was hidden from the tax authorities over 15 years, that amounts to about $113k per year. The indictment claims that Weisselberg failed to pay about $106k in NY state taxes, which works out to be about $7k per year.

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Take a look at a copy (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20982380/trump-organization-weisselberg-indictment.pdf) of the indictment. I think it is pretty shaky TBH.

The indictment claims that the Trump org entered into a lease for an apartment that stipulated that Weisselberg would occupy the apartment as his "primary residence". There are a couple of things wrong with this. First, the Trump org does not have any authority to bind where their employees live, so without proof that Weisselberg actually lived in the apartment, the entire indictment goes up in smoke.

The indictment also says that Weisselberg's compensation was adjusted downward in order to account for the rent expenses and that internal spreadsheets kept track of these expenses that were for the benefit of Weisselberg. I would note that I occasionally travel for business, and when I do, my employer pays for my meals, hotel and airfare, but I am not required to pay taxes on these things. These travel expenses are taken out of my department's budget. I don't think it would be unreasonable to argue that the Trump org had a budget for Weisselberg that was to include both payroll and business expenses. I am not sure what criteria travel expenses are allowed according to IRS rules, or where Weisselberg claimed to live during the relevant time period.

The indictment's most serious charge, grand larceny, stems from Weisselberg's claiming tax refunds from the IRS that he was allegedly not entitled to. In addition to proving that the tax returns were in fact fraudulent, the prosecution would need to prove that Weisselberg was in the state of NY when he caused the tax returns to be filed.

Similarly ridiculous as your claim that only 2 or 3 people breached the Capital and the rest were invited in.

So you read this:

https://i.snipboard.io/RJpSGd.jpg

And walked away thinking "I know, I'll just tell people the issue is over $8k a year and maybe they'll just believe me.  And even if they don't, I'll make sure there's some element of truth in my post and only imply the untrue stuff so I can seem to have a defense"

What I said is true. I was clear that the amount was in reference to NY state taxes. NY courts do not have jurisdiction over alleged federal tax fraud.

The only reason why the federal tax amounts are listed is because of the shaky allegation of grand larceny via filing a tax return that causes a portion of tax withheld to be refunded. In addition to the problems I noted in my previous post with this allegation, I don't think NY courts have jurisdiction over federal tax laws and as such, would be unable to conclude that Weisselberg committed federal tax fraud that resulted in the alleged fraudulent tax refund. I also don't think there is any dispute the tax amounts that were refunded were actually withheld and paid to the federal government, so I think it is a stretch the alleged fraudulent tax refunds constitute grand larceny when Weisselberg could have simply had less money withheld from his pay over the year.

As noted in my previous post, the indictment offers no evidence that Weisselberg actually owes any of the NY city tax. I can't sign a lease in San Francisco, taking responsibility for the payments, saying that TwitchySeal is going to live in the apartment as his primary residence, then have the DA come after you for tax fraud if you never actually lived in the apartment sufficient to have to pay CA taxes. Even if you had signed the lease that says the apartment will be your primary residence, it would not create a tax liability unless you meet certain criteria. NY tax law appears to make it difficult to get out from having tax liability, however, to initially start having tax liability, it appears you need to live in NY (or NY city) for a certain number of days in a year. 

You took a small piece of the big picture and framed it as if it were the whole picture in order to make Trump look like an innocent victim.

I should be clear, Trump is an innocent victim. There has never been a similar prosecution for not paying taxes on fringe benefits when there was no additional crimes involved. The prosecution is very clearly political.

If Weisselberg has admitted to living in NYC in the past, please provide evidence of such. Evicting his former daugher-in-law during a messy divorce is hardly evidence of anything other than that he was going through a messy divorce.


I have serious doubts about you having any actual familiarity with the case.

Weisselberg is being charged in NY state court for alleged violations of NY state law. In order for the court to have jurisdiction over any alleged crimes, or for NY law to apply, any alleged crimes must have taken place in NY state. If Weisselberg was going 71 in a 70 MPH zone in NJ, the DA cannot charge him for violating NY law in NY courts.

Looks like our dear old former impotus has dug his own grave....

https://youtu.be/g_XJT0JX2UQ

This is by no means an open and shut case.

It has not even been established how often Weisselberg stayed in the NYC apartment, and you cannot assume that just because the lease that the Trump org signed said that the apartment is Weisselberg's "primary residence" that he actually stayed there sufficiently frequently for it to actually be his primary residence.

It really boils down to if Weisselberg stayed in the NYC apartment for reasons listed in (a) of 26 CFR § 1.162-32 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.162-32#a), and if he had an additional residence he would reside in other than the NYC apartment. I am not a tax expert, but one potential argument could be that Weisselberg is normally a WFH employee, and would sometimes need to come into the office to attend meetings as a condition of employment.

In any case, it is very clear this is a political persecution. I have not read about a single expert in tax law who is aware of a single case in which this type of case would not be settled with a fine.

No, your defense  of Trump is political.

No doubt if it were Hillary or Biden in the same situation you'd have the opposite stance.

Both Hilary and Biden are clearly either running or have run (in the case of Clinton) bribery schemes, pretty much out in the open, and neither have faced any kind of prosecution.

Yeah we know.  And Trump is an innocent victim.
And if the Clinton Foundation were indicted for exactly the same thing with identical evidence as the Trump Org case, you'd be arguing the exact opposite of what you are now.  You're unable to set politics aside and look at the facts clearly.

The former president, Donald Trump may have done quite a lot of things that may seem wrong to the eyes of the many but just like other former presidents, he also was able to do good things. The only thing that would make Donald Trump go to prison are strong evidences for the "supposedly bad things" he has done while he was still the president of the United States, else, there would be no such thing as indicting that'll happen. Too bad though, no matter who becomes president, there will never be a great president since people never get satisfied with anything. Specially the ones that thinks that the government owes them a lot, enough to make the government shoulder their daily expenses, housing, etc., etc. I wonder how some people can even bear to have such kind of a mindset.

- Anyway, since there can be no way to influence the outcome of such things, I suggest OP to not think too much about this and focus on things that OP can have better control instead.

You don't know that.

The reason the Trump org was charged with the crimes it was charged with is that prosecutors were unable to find evidence of more serious crimes after looking very closely at their business records and tax records. I'm sure both the Clintons and the Bidens are involved in much more serious illegal activity. Both the Bidens and the Clintons have run influence-peddling schemes basically out in the open, and no one in federal law enforcement even bats an eye.

It's a pretty safe assumption though.

I mean, whatever your source of info is has you convinced only a 2 or 3 people breached the capital and the rest were invited in by police.  Obviously they would have no problem convincing you Clinton or Biden should be prosecuted of pretty much anything, especially if it were actually happening already in real life.

It's all circumstantial evidence. Trump harmed nobody, nor did he ever order that anybody be harmed. Those people who harmed other people and destroyed property should be prosecuted for what they did... including the DC cops who murdered two, innocent protesters who had done no harm or damage.

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Actually there's a lot of direct evidence.

And the issue isn't really the destroyed property or injuries, it's the attempt by a sitting president to remain in power after being voted out of office. 

Most people that fell for the big lie are just more of Trumps victims.

Actually, the election rules for each State are made by the State, and by those people the States delegate to make the rules. So, when those people make the election rules, they are legal election rules. In the case of the swing States, the election rules were unconscionable, even though they were legal. Trump lost through unconscionable election rules that happened to be legal. And it is the fault of the Republican party for not thinking the rules through. Trump didn't lose through popular vote. Rather, he won by a landslide in the popular vote.

Whatever issue(s) there are regarding Jan. 6 don't matter, except if they are on the indictment. Have you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? Just because you want him to be guilty, or just because you believe it when others say he is guilty, an indictment isn't a verdict.

Since you and all the rest of the people haven't brought forth any direct evidence, where is it? Simply dreaming that there is such evidence doesn't make it so. So far, it's all circumstantial, and circumstantial means that there could be other explanations for the evidence and what it shows.




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Assuming that is true, which I don't think it is, any evidence gathered by the Jan 6th committee would likely be inadmissible and would likely be considered a "poisonous tree" that no evidence gathered based on any evidence from the Jan 6th committee would be admissible.

Congress has no oversight over private citizens, it is a co-equal branch of government with the executive, and there is not even a "pretend" legleslative purpose for the Jan 6th committee.

Except for all the federal judges and supreme court that have already ruled on the legitimacy of the committee and their subpoenas.  The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas were lawful. 


The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas are lawful.  Hopefully there will be laws passed because of it to prevent future sitting presidents that just lost an election from doing what Trump did - and is still doing.

If you're arguing that Congress shouldn't be able to conduct investigations, that's fine.  But, I doubt you had issues with the 911 investigation, or Benghazi, or Watergate  I think you really just don't like Democrats and only consume the Trumpiest media content.

The vast majority of people in the US are angry with what the media did, and the Dems, in stealing the election from Trump, electronically and in other ways.

Biden and the Dems are the ones who did the coup. And it just happened to succeed to some extent. Now they are afraid that they will lose their coup because of changes being made in the whole election process, changes that will bring back honesty in the way the votes are handled.

So, to avoid losing, they are fighting Trump in every way they can. One of the way's is to blame Trump for the Soros incited Jan. 6 activity. And since they still control much of the media, it will come out in the media that Trump is bad.

For all of you who think Biden is good, haven't you looked at how destructive his policies have been in the US? Real estate is moving fast because the people are moving out of Dem controlled California and other Dem States, and into AZ, TX, and FL. They are moving out because of the Dems and the evil they are causing.

Wake up and straighten the Biden coup out while there is a little USA left.

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Yeah.  And Biden isn't really president.  He's on a movie set that looks like the White House.  Trump is the real president.  That's why there such a military presence on Bidens inauguration day. And Pelosi was arrested, along with the pope.  And Hillary was running a pedo sex ring out of a pizza shop.  And all the dems will be dead before the next election because they got the covid vaccine.  So you have nothing to worry about.

Too right!
I knew if I bumped this thread, my deluded good buddy BADecker would set the record straight!
 :D :D

The vast majority of people in America are fed up with the war, and the American poverty that goes with it. They will easily vote Trrump into office, whether or not he is indicted. Trump will make peace between the Ukraine and Russia, and the people know it. Dems are going to be voted out of office if they don't do the people's will in this.

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A citation is needed for this post. Specifically regarding the "legitimacy" of the Jan 6 committee. There have not been any cases heard by the SCOTUS regarding the Jan 6 committee.

Ok, but next time google it yourself please.

Federal Judge rules subpoena of John Eastman documents valid:

“Congress has previously conducted similar investigations into attacks on our country, such as those of September 11, 2001, and the War of 1812.  In these circumstances, it is reasonable that investigations might reveal evidence of criminal acts or other wrongdoing. … Accordingly, the Select Committee’s subpoena is within its legitimate legislative authority.”

“The public interest here is weighty and urgent. Congress seeks to understand the causes of a grave attack on our nation’s democracy and a near-successful attempt to subvert the will of the voters.”

“Dr. Eastman’s actions clearly fall within the bounds of an investigation into ‘the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy,’”

https://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Dkt%20195%2C%20Order%20RE%20In%20camera%20review%20of%20Jan.%204-7%2C%202021%20documents.pdf


Federal Judge (appointed by Trump) dismisses RNC lawsuit against Pelosi to block J6 subpoenas:

He dismissed most of the RNCs arguments, including the one you made, that there is no legislative purpose:
“The subpoena’s valid legislative purpose is apparent enough to sustain it against this challenge,”

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.241102/gov.uscourts.dcd.241102.33.0.pdf




SCOTUS denies Trumps attempt to withhold documents subpoenaed by J6 committee using 'executive privilege':


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21182369-order-21a272

https://i.snipboard.io/4yhCQ0.jpg

Former President Donald J. Trump said on Monday that the F.B.I. had searched his Palm Beach, Fla., home and had broken open a safe — an account that, if accurate, would be a dramatic escalation in the various investigations into the former president.

The search, according to two people familiar with the investigation, appeared to be focused on material that Mr. Trump had brought with him to Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence, after he left the White House. Those boxes contained many pages of classified documents, according to a person familiar with their contents.

Mr. Trump delayed returning 15 boxes of material requested by officials with the National Archives for many months, only doing so when there became a threat of action being taken to retrieve them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago.html

https://i.snipboard.io/7mS5eE.jpg https://i.snipboard.io/zqweuk.jpg
Could be a completely separate criminal investigation surrounding all the stuff he stole on his way out of the white house....I thought he'd be getting a pass due to the whole trying to overthrow the government thing....Surely all the 'but her emails' people will be equally outraged about Trumps handling of clasified documents right....right?  .......

So I guess it's either time to go visit vlad or announce he's running for President again.

It's a Chinese hoax, there were no classified documents, and Trump never was a president.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7774/Will-Donald-Trump-be-indicted-by-Sept-1

As President, Trump has the unilateral authority to decide that documents were not classified.

Some of the "classified" documents the national archives says it retrieved previously was a latter from Obama to Trump as Obama was leaving the Presidency, and a letter from NK leader Kim Jun Un, both of which have been public for years.

This raid on a former President that is a political opponent of the current regime is unprecedented in the United States. It is something that is common in third-world countries.

Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Biden's energy policy has resulted in the invasion of Ukraine profitable for Putin, even after accounting for sanctions, and Moscow selling gas at below market prices (and the cost of the war itself). It was no mistake that Putin waited for Biden to get into office to start the war.

It seems like the raid on his home was just a start to get him into it and we really don't know what the reason for the sudden raid and Trump said, they searching for something as they go to search his safe. I wonder what kind of things they really searching and are the Americans feeling doubt about their current president right now? because it seems like Biden will stop Trump to run for President next election and they're doing all possible ways to prevent him from doing so. He already knows what's the result of the next election because American citizens don't seem to see the current change they really want in this administration.

Since the raid on Trump's home is against all the history of how past Presidents have been treated, and against how anybody should be treated, it should, and probably will, bolster support for Trump in the elections, even if the FBI finds some dirt in his past. The Dems and Soros are shooting themselves in the foot (head?) by pushing this raid. But of course, almost what choice do they have?

Trump is popular enough to easily win, even though many people who will vote for him don't believe in just everything that he stands for. And Trump is way more prepared for the deeps/dark state this time. They are frantic. That's why they are grasping at straws like this raid.

The crooks in government will fail if Trump is elected. He will wipe them out. So, shooting themselves through the raid doesn't matter to them. If it makes them look worse, oh well. They have to find something that will keep Trump out of the presidency, even if they make something up. Without it, they are essentially dead right now.

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Cool.  Are you saying he declassified everything before stealing it?  There's a process for declassifying documents that even Donald Trump would have to follow.  He can't just say "i declassified them back when I was president" If he declassified the documents, then all he has to worry about is stealing from the federal government, which, honestly probably isn't that much to worry about.  But I don't think the fbi would raid his home like that for declassified documents, and we already know that that the national archives had to go down to florida and retrieve 15 boxes of classified documents


Which was a violation of the Presidential Records Act.  When you're president, you don't get to keep stuff like that for yourself.


It's unprecedented for an outgoing president to steal classified documents.  If Trump is reelected, do you think Biden should be able to violate the presidential records act and just take whatever documents or gifts home with him without consequence?  Should the president be held accountable for breaking the law, or should the DOJ never hold former presidents accountable.

Putin helped Trump get elected.  Trump praises Putin all the time.  Trumps 2016 campaign chair literally worked for the former president of Ukraine that was overthrown for being one of Putins puppets.  Do the math.




Don't be so gullible.

Actually, the Russian Economy Is Imploding
Nine myths about the effects of sanctions and business retreats, debunked.
 (https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/22/russia-economy-sanctions-myths-ruble-business/)

Russia’s economy ‘only growing weaker’ (https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/global-affairs/russias-economy-only-growing-weaker/video/81941905b8b98cb2c2682d6abaaa4c9c)

Russia faces ‘economic oblivion’ despite claims of short-term resilience, economists say (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/02/russia-faces-economic-oblivion-despite-short-term-resilience.html)






















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It is a little bit crazy that the FBI had people in the crowd encouraging the riot and are now using the riot as a reason to search a previous president's residence.  I don't understand why they are so afraid of Trump that they go through such lengths at the risk of being exposed for the corrupt participants of the system that they are.  I've never liked Trump as a person.  I think about the only thing he does right is his policies, but if you can't see that our government is engineering a recession and hiring IRS agents to squeeze the middle class into reliance on the government providing a universal income by now, you need to start thinking for yourself.  

Did you fall for the ridiculous Ray Epps conspiracy theory?  Or is there another one I missed.


What if....Trump did take a bunch of classified documents with him to Florida, and he only gave back some of them last year and refused to return the rest.  What do you think the FBI should do?  Should they recover the documents and hold him accountable?  Or just allow a civilian without the required security clearance keep classified documents?

What would you say if Biden stole a bunch of classified documents after Trump was reelected?

Well, looks like some of the "classified" documents the FBI seized were "classified/top secret/sensitive compartmented information".  Basically as top secret as it gets.  He had boxes and boxes of them, sitting in his basement. And no, it doesn't matter if he declassified them

He could have given them back a year ago when they asked nicely.
Or a few months ago when he was subpoenaed.
Or a few weeks ago when officials flew down to ask in person.

And no, if the documents have anything to do with national security (which is what the warrant said), it doesn't matter if he declassified them (and he probably didn't actually declassify them).  Hiding sensitive government records related to national security in your basement is called espionage.

You've really got to be brainwashed or just have the most delicate ego to ever exist if you aren't able to lo admit that if this guy actually did half the things he's being accused of he should be in prison, not the White House.

In the coming months he could be realistically indicted in three separate cases:  

Federal charges for violations of the Pres Records and Espionage act
Federal charges for seditious conspiracy and defrauding the Government
State charges in Georgia for criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, racketeering and conspiracy


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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/12/us/politics/trump-search-warrant-document.html

As I read or watched somewhere, this will get dragged through the courts as Trump has an army of lawyers and can afford it. And it will last so far as to him running for president again. And that's all if they find anything relevant ot accuse him.

Indicted doesn't mean guilty. The whole scheme of anybody who is attacking Trump, has to do with reducing his popularity to such a low point that they have a chance of getting somebody else into the Presidency.

So far, the actions of his opponents is only serving to strengthen his popularity.

8)

Oh you missed the part where the FBI had to physically go to his basement to recover classified documents that he stole and refused to return on the way out of the white house.

Or when he tried to convince the Governor and SS of Georgia to give him 11,780 votes so he wouldn't lose.

Or when he found out his crowd on Jan 6 was being reduced because so many had guns and there were metal detectors, he demanded the metal detectors be removed 'I don't fucking care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me'.  Then he ordered the crowd to march to the capital and fight like hell.  And while they were fighting like hell chanting 'hang mike pence' he tweeted "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution"

Then there's the electoral college fraud where he organized a bunch of republicans to submit fake electoral votes for him.

Oh and he also scammed $250 million from donors for a "stop the steal" fund that didn't exist to stop the democrats from stealing an election he knew wasn't stolen.


I expect the Trump supporters more intelligent than you (most of them around these parts) will have to resort to these type of vague defenses more and more in the coming weeks.  Maybe some of them will wake up, realize they're turning into BADecker and drop the cult mentality...who knows.

Are you aware that they "asked him nicely"? Or that they even asked at all? Who is the source of these claims? Do you believe the same FBI that used oppo research sourced by Russians in 2016 which started Russia gate are to be trusted in their claims? Better yet, do you think Merrick Garland should be trusted?

Raiding the former President's private home for classified documents -- I'm sure this had nothing to do with politics. Apparently a 4 year Russian collusion witch hunt and two impeachments isn't enough. Raid the man's private home when he isn't President anymore, and then present some nonsensical cover story about classified documents. FBI didn't seem to concerned about classified documents on a private email server with Hillary Clinton, did they? Wonder what changed.

Yeah.  By ask nicely, I mean without a subpoena or search warrant.  Google statements by the National Archives.




Well that's objectively false.

The investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia was started because George Papadopoulos got drunk and bragged about Russia having dirt on Hillary Clinton to an Australian diplomat who then informed US intelligence.  

There were a bunch of other red flags, like Trumps decision to chair his campaign with the same guy that helped Viktor Yanukovych get elected in Ukraine.  You know, the President that was run out of the country for putting Russia before his own.

The idea that the Steel dossier was what started the investigation, or even that it was useful to the FBI is ridiculous.  The only reason you think it's true is because Trump said it over and over and you've decided to be willfully ignorant by refusing to do your own objective research.  It's a lie.  It's not based in reality.  

Yeah, I think he's about as trustworthy as a AG can get.


And I'm sure I'm going to keep hearing these lame, vague attempts to defend Trump since approaching the case rationally only leads to conclusions that you don't want to be true.

So you still have a problem with Hillarys handling of emails, while at the same time defending Trump keeping boxes of classified documents in his basement....I'm sure your opinion has nothing to do with the fact you just don't like Democrats.

How about Trumps own daughter and son in law using gmail accounts from her official White House office?  Wouldn't it be better they used personal servers than give access to a liberal third party mega corporation?

So... is it wrong or not? Or is it only wrong when Hillary does it? As is typical with whataboutism "defense" you need to admit that the person you're defending is wrong, or that the aforementioned whataboutism is useless here. Which is it?

(also, they were very concerned)

(also, also, the current director of the FBI was hand picked by Trump)

And do we know whether the documents were declassified or not besides what the federal government claims? Trump's attorney's were in contact with the feds. Is there evidence that Trump's attorney's were not in cooperation and ceased communications?

The National Archives is an institution, not a person. I don't expect any detailed specifics from them.

Andrew Cuomo seems concerned about this: https://twitter.com/andrewcuomo/status/1556990308424028163

If it's this bad that someone like Cuomo is the contrarian, you know the DoJ has gone rogue.


Drunken statements were the start of an investigation that lasted 4 years, expended no less than 50 million USD, and resulted in zero charges related to coordination, collusion, or cooperation with the Russians. You don't unironically believe this do you?


Right, was useless. Which is why the FBI interviewed Steele and used him as a sub source for FISA warrants: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/February%209,%202017%20Electronic%20Communication.pdf

IG released a lengthy report on the matter - https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Investigation was a sham.
 


I don't particularly care about Trump. I figured after 4 years of the media lying to you about Trump/Russian collusion you'd catch on that they don't actually have anything on him, and are attacking him because of political animus.


I don't have any problem with Clinton's emails. It was merely part and parcel of her incompetence. I am only pointing out the double standard. Because it seems only years later that the left is concerned about classified information. You all didn't care much then.

When Trump's children disobey a subpoena from Congress, use bleach bit to delete thousands of emails, and have classified information from private email servers hacked, then perhaps you might have a suitable comparison.


Yes. It is wrong to mistreat classified information. I also would call it contemptable to raid Hillary Clinton's private home with armed FBI agents under authority of the federal government from the opposing party. Seem unreasonable?

How about this: the federal government does not belong to a "party".

In theory. Whoever's in charge of the Presidency runs the show unfortunately. I'm all for reducing the size and power the government.

Look up Ammon Bundy and his group. They forcefully commandeered a Bureau of Land Management wildlife facility in Oregon some years ago. The jury let them go free - https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ammon-bundy-long-testimony-swayed-ore-jury-acquit-article-1.2848300.

The point is that the jury rules, not the President, although he can make it difficult for the jury.

8)

You just listed all of the potential classification categories that the government could have given the documents. It is well known that the government tends to overclassify documents that really do not need to be classified.

Trump had the ultimate authority to declassify the documents in question. It would be stupid for Trump to not declassify a document he intended to bring to his home -- it is trivial for him to declassify a document.


I have not seen any evidence the documents in question would threaten national security if released to the public.

If the documents were such a threat to national security, there is no reason why the FBI would have waited over a month to get a warrant.

Ok teachable moment here.

So, when that report first came out, Trump said essentially the same thing.  That it was proof the investigation was a sham.  And then lots of republicans and right wing media repeated the same thing.  And because the report was lengthy, like you said, many people just believed them, instead of reading the report.  Like you.  The same thing happened with the Mueller report.  You believed what Trump said without reading the report, and as a result, you believe a lot of things that aren't true.  The Mueller report is much more complicated which makes it much easier for you to argue in circles than in the case of this IG report.  

You think the IG report shows that the Investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and ties between Russia and the Trump campaign was a sham, I say the opposite is true.

How about you take my hand and we can see what the IG report says according to the report itself, instead of according to Trump and the media reports you relied on up till now?

Click your link and scroll alllll the way down to page 350, second to last paragraph:


Shocking huh?  The report is saying the exact opposite of what you just said it said.  See what I mean about this being a simple case of you being wrong?  But wait, there's more, scroll down two more pages to page 352:



Trump lied to you. You fell for it. It wasn't the first time, or the last. Remember that before you decide to keep defending him having all those documents in his basement.






No, I listed the the classification of the documents seized from Trumps house.

Are you arguing that a president should be able to steal classified documents and then keep them in his basement after he leaves office because it's well known the government tends to overclassify documents?  Do you really think setting that precedent would be anything but completely retarded?




Yes he did have that authority.  But he did not have the authority to steal them and keep them in his basement after he left office.  Also, none of the laws cited in the search warrant, like the espionage act for example, are dependent on whether or not the documents were classified.

Of course, Trump will continue to pretend like this whole case is about whether or not he declassified the documents he stole and kept in his basement, and then you will continue to repeat what he says, and I will continue to remind you that by repeating Trumps nonsense you're arguing that a President has the power to take any document he wants from any of the intelligence agencies and keep it for himself as a civilian - which is obviously a really freaking stupid argument.


The FBI raided his home and then unsealed the warrant and receipt of what was seized.  That's the evidence.  

finally....

I just read the news after I realized there was a lot of activity on Twitter, from both allies and detractors of Trump.

Things were already heating up in the political ground of the United States, with all the debate on gun control and civil liberties, but this may take things to a new level.

I still believe nothing will happen to Trump (for now) since among all the investigations currently going on in USA, this one is the weakest of all; being the strongest one the alleged interference he wanted to take place in the presidential election in the state of Georgia.

Let us see what happens next...

Is it a coincidence that the US became a third world country the very moment Trump was indicted?  I think not.

https://i.snipboard.io/OUP2tK.jpg

Yes, that's the actual ad showing beneath his "truth" on his site that's just overflowing with "truth".

Must be a dream come true for the slimeball salesmen out there.

Yes, he said he's been indicated.  

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No it's not the strongest case or that serious of a crime.  

But you don't want to fill yourself up on bread when the biggest ribeye you've ever seen is about to come off the grill and onto your plate.  Just have a bite or two and prepare yourself for the main course.

This is the best news in a while.  Every former prez for quite a number of cycles is easily indictable on a myriad of crimes.  Trump to, although his accusers had to struggle mightily to find something which they themselves were not obviously guilty of as well.

'Protocol' has been broken.   The 'adversary' (in fake WWE terns) screwed Trump out of his 2nd of two terms.  This in part because, most likely, Trump really was something of an outsider to the Repuglicans.  (Hard-core religio-Zionist center mass mostly forced him in.)  Anyway, protocol is protocol, and that's objectionable to break and sets precedent.

Legal harassment of a criminal for their crimes does act as a deterrent, so I, for one, hope that it becomes more the norm in national level politics.  If so, banking and other white-collar crimes will, hopefully, not be that far behind.

That said, actual accountability for crimes would probably be a transient and solvable issue for the class of criminals who run our societies.  It might simply make things drag on in a cyclic manner.  I think a judicial system which mirrors 'direct democracy' or 'free market' would probably provide better and more durable results.

It seems like the entire case against Trump stems from someone breaking an air tight non-disclosure agreement. I don’t think this case goes anywhere but it’s pretty huge news. I think it also opens the door for more political war between the right and left. If you are an American and this makes you happy instead of embarrassed, you probably need to get tested for TDS.

I've been embarrassed for this country (usa) ever since that clown got elected, and now he just won't go away.
The sooner this pos shyster fades into oblivion in the political theater, the better for this country.
I honestly don't understand why the republican party cannot just wash their hands of this failed player and back a real candidate that has maybe a little bit of integrity and knows how to spell.
Oh yeah... "the moronic uneducated cult of Trump base" 

The republican party has been cultivating this base for decades and Trump is a perfect match for it. The system works as designed. Too bad the GOP "designers" were morons too but that's a whole other story.

It's not the fact that he paid off the porn star to keep quiet about their affair.  There's nothing illegal about that.

It's about Trump having his lawyer create a fake company to pay off the porn star and then being reimbursed through structured payments (with fraudulent business records) from Trump so that they could get away with violating Federal Election finance laws 11 days before the election.

His personal lawyer already served time in prison for his involvement in this specific issue.

Speaking of Michael Cohen, think about this situation from his perspective:

• Trump has Cohen pay off the porn star with a shell company so he can hide it from the FEC.
  
• Trump has Cohen lie to congress about his business deals in Russia after winning the Republican nomination.
  
• Cohen goes to prison for paying the porn star and lying to congress.
  
• Cohen gets out of prison and is subpoenaed by grand jury about Porn Star payments.
  
• Team MAGA loses it's shit and says Cohen is lying and you can't trust anything Cohen says because he was convicted of lying to congress.
  

This is true, however don't forget in the days when Trump 1st announced his candidacy coming down that escalator, (gag me)
many leading republicans denounced him as a clown or some such thing, and bad for the party.
Of course once he (Trump) caught on amongst the 'base", and they realized he was gaining popularity they all changed their tune and started kissing his ass.
Lindsey Graham comes to mind. What a spineless brown nosing flip flopper.
Though I do give him credit for actually showing up as a guest on The Daily Show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sTZrgkQx4E).
Probably because Al Franken was hosting and apparently, despite their political differences, they were friends when Franken was a senator.

But I digress... I believe this indictment is just the beginning. A warm up act if you will, just to test the waters for the big one(s) to follow.
To wit, planning a failed insurrection, attempted election interference in Georgia, stealing/not returning classified docs and tax evasion.

A no nonsense explanation (https://youtu.be/Gob8TieQ_ok) of what happens now with the indictment going forward, from a former federal court prosecutor with 30 years experience...

https://youtu.be/Gob8TieQ_ok

I do not live in the USA, but I have read that allegedly things within the GOP have changed so much that, some people would dare to say that they miss the old days when the differences between the Democrat party and the Republican party were a matter of policies and arguments on how to get things done. (And actually getting them done).

Again, I may not be as informed as those who live there, but I sincerely do not think the things are are going on nowadays in American politics are supposed to be "normal" if we look back to politics of the 2000's and the first half of 2010's.

People are moving towards both extremes.

Both parties currently view the other as an existential threat to the country and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's as if there are two different realities for those who hate Biden and those who hate Trump.

There is no more conservative party in America anymore, which is not a good thing.  In fact, many of the conservatives that you're thinking of from the Clinton and Bush days openly supported Biden, the democrat, in the 2020 election.

In this case is probably not as much about the overwhelming evidence, which I am sure is there and I am sure much more could be brought for many other counts, since Trump is so clearly a "creative tax payer". On this case it is a lot about being able to effectively judge someone who has such an immense (and for me difficult to understand) support from the grassroots and the big money.

The tentacles are all over, and they probably can destroy anyone trying to do the right thing

I agree with you that it's a bit complicated to predict America and America's internal politics, I also agree with you that Biden won the 2020 election by coincidence, people who didn't support him before also supported Biden, many wrote about it in the newspaper. it will be very difficult to judge good or bad but it can be said that the 2020 election in America was an exceptional religious election which will be remembered in history.

Excuse me for somewhat wandering off my topic of the Trump indictment, but to address your point.....


Yes, this has been going on ever since the dawn of the internet and social media has enabled/allowed communities of folks with political pre-conceived notions,
regardless of how irrational they are on a purely factual level, to gather together in a virtual setting, multiply, bolster and amplify/broadcast their beliefs.
Its a feedback loop. And here we are today with understandably folks on both extreme sides of the political spectrum
living in their respective internet reality bubbles, squawking at each other. Both sides thinking the other side are crazy. Its a sad state of affairs.
I myself try to stay being a common sense center of the roader, not straying to one extreme or the other, and risk falling into the ditches of fringe nonsense, this forum being a prime example.
 (Don't get me wrong, this place keeps me well amused)...

And to stay on topic, Tuesday looks like an interesting day as arraignment happens, but I rather doubt there will be a handcuffed Trump "perp walk" but if there is, the internet will probably explode.




 

ya think?

Yes, I have noticed on the internet, people from both parties continue to antagonize each other more and more as time passes.
Also, Bush was rather a quite strong economic conservative, if I recall correctly, I did not know those who supported him back in the day would move onto supporting Biden today, because their policies are rather different.

By the way, I am sure this division is being look very closely by adversaries like Russia and China, since they aim to weaken USA and there is no doubt there is in their interest for the American population to continue fighting each other, more violently if possible...

34 Felony counts.  Guessing at least a few of those are gonna stick.

ridiculous,
political circus at its best.

next episode in december !! we will be in full preparation of election..
very special laws in the us...

The illegal porn star payments will be forgotten  if charges for stealing secret documents or any of the many ways he tried to cheat his way out of losing the election drop.

Today is just an amuse-bouche.  Was really hoping for a mug shot.  :/

And a cuffed perp walk would have been fitting, but we all
knew that wasn’t happening.  

Stephen Colbert commenting on a video that’s shows Trump entering the courthouse and the door wasn’t held open for him…

I heard they were spending upwards of 200 million dollars on this Trump arrest nonsense. When you review the facts about a non-disclosure agreement and statute of limitations it’s actually a bit shocking that it’s gone as far as it has. As we watch the United States behave less and less like a serious nation, the future looks darker than ever.

Ever since the non-denials of the Stormy Daniels thing years ago, I figured that Trump had some pretty deviant stuff hidden in his closet.  Probably run-of-the-mill Kabbahalistic/Frankist stuff which can still, even in today's Overton window frame phase, shock most people.  Stuff like dead interns found on the desk like fellow practitioners who host MSNBC shows.

Should something utward pop up, the Trump-tard groupies can easily have their attention focused on a conspicuously of-age professional sex worker and stay in the (perfectly valid) bubble that it's simply no big deal to commission the services of such a professional.  Trump never marketed himself as a paragon of wholesome virtue, and only a fraction of his most ardent groupies can make that square peg fit.

I'm going to estimate that this next cycle might be when a primary goals of installing one of the openly Chabad-Lubavitch Kushner's as POTUS will takes place.  Possibly as a last-minute swap-out for DJTrump after some sort of tragedy/insult to the poor old fella.  Correspondingly the Dems will put up someone even more flawed than Biden (if there exists such a person), or maybe even Biden again to make sure that the stage is set.

I was watching closely and personally in the lead-up to 2016 and the Kushners were being groomed at that point.  And well accepted by my ultra-liberal friends/family.  Nothing they've done since would be destructive to their appeal among the Libs, and in fact they can be painted as 'nation saving' counter-weights to Trump's malign presence during his 4-year term.  I mean, the Libtards could certainly be programmed to that line of thinking if they are not already.

Maybe Ivanka will do a 'me-too' moment and claim sexual assault by DJ (which well could be true.)  That would win 50% of the Trumpophobe woke-tards right there.

At least Biden is more honest that^^ way. Biden doesn't care what people know about him. He keeps right on going with wars and inflation and whatever other bad.

Trump tried to cover his 'bad' up with doing good things for the nation.

Besides, if the leaders are this bad, think of how bad the rest of the people must be.

8)

Why is it nonsense?
There is mountains of evidence showing he broke New York state law.
So the DA does his job and indicts (and this charge is the least of Trump's worries. Stay tuned for much more serious up coming charges in various other jurisdictions, you know like planning an insurrection)
Oh yeah, it's all just a "political circus" . Well what a surprise!  Of course its a political circus. How could it not be? He's a former potus. So fucking what?
That doesn't change the fact there is mountains of evidence showing he BROKE THE FUCKING LAW.
And no one is above the law, not even failed business con men ex presidents ......
...Well that's the theory in the USA anyway. Sometimes I wonder though.

Now stay tuned for my buddy BADecker's Trump boot licking delusional reply  in 3...2...

I find the problem is that many people treat politics the same as their favourite sports team.  All of a sudden, the only thing that matters is that their "side" is winning.  They're blinded to 'legal' or 'illegal', 'right' and 'wrong'.  Their team has to win.  Trump's supporters don't care about how many laws he broke and they are more inclined to accept the fanciful notion that this is all somehow an act of persecution. 

In OGNastys defense...illegally covering up payments you made to influence the outcome of an election that you're running for president in isn't really that big of a deal compared to stealing classified documents and then lying about having them to the FBI, or trying to overthrow the government to remain in power after the people decided not to give you a second term.

As usual though, when it comes to defending Trump you will mostly get whatever short and easy-to-remember phrases they've heard repeating over and over and over that don't really add up to a real defense since it's usually completely obvious that he's guilty of whatever it is he's being accused of.  


ding ding ding (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409706.msg60770600#msg60770600)

Tribalism always happens, there's no way to avoid it. But that doesn't even matter as law is blind and doesn't care what the cheerleaders say about their team or if they think something is legal or illegal, as that's not for them to decide.
If the team leader (no matter which side) breaks the law, district attorney decides how to proceed, as he/she is the expert on that field. Their jobs depend on them being neutral and it's not like they would like to lose their jobs..

If you think that Trump paying a porn star who signed an NDA is the worst thing a President has done, I’d suggest you open your eyes. Clinton lied under oath about cigar banging an intern. Biden has nearly started world war three to keep the world from finding out his family has made millions of dollars making back room deals with foreign countries… I won’t even touch on the election fraud and only an ignorant liberal would say Trump tried to stay in power when everything he was saying on Jan 6th was for people to remain peaceful and respect law enforcement. At this point if you’re still a supporter of Liberal politics you’re either A) an idiot, B) completely brainwashed, 3) mentally ill, or 4) you hate America.

Whataboutism at it's finest.

I suggest you open your eyes and read the rest of my post explaining how the illegal payment to influence the outcome of an election is far from the worst thing trump has done.

I literally said it's "not that big of a deal"

I would be very interested in understanding why he believes that the statute of limitations is somehow limiting the charges against Trump. I am however quite interested in knowing why the GA decided to go for him with this indictment first, as Trump has a pile of cases against him and others seem much more evident and easy to proof. My only guess is that the sexual component of this one does hurt the puritan base or the RP.

The statute of limitations is four years, which is up.  However NY State Law says the limitation is put on hold while a defendant is continuously out of the State.  Trump has been mostly in Florida or DC, so that's the prosecutors argument.  His defense will def argue that he maintained a residence in NY or something liek that though.



The other cases are independent of this one - they don't work together.

Georgia State has grand jury about Trump trying to pressure their Governor and Sec of State to "find him votes" after the election was already certified.

And an independent prosecutor for the federal government has the Jan 6 and Stolen Documents cases.  THose two might end up lumped together in one indictment, or they could be two seperate charges, if he brings both.

So in 6 or so months, Trump could be preparing for trials in New York City, Atlanta, Florida and Washington DC all at the same time - while running for President.  

The Dems might as well try anything... even placing Trump on trial. They are already dead regarding the 2024 election. So, they don't have anything to lose.

8)

The way I looked at it, what is happening to Trump is purely political, Trump was tried this week and after the trial he came to his campaign ground and gave his campaign speech. I am not from there so I have forgotten the name, a lady was asked to pay Trump a specific amount of money. Trump is a threat to the opposition party.

Ever notice in political discussions, folks will use that worn out cliché term, "purely political" if they don't want to address the issue at hand?
Because you know... like it doesn't count, because it's "purely political", whatever dafuc that means...

The scary thing in this situation is the fact there are people out there which actually believe someone can declassify documents by simply taking those papers home, disregarding the life of the American agents which could be compromised for that reckless act.

Or people who believe that pressuring a secretary of state to find votes or shredding machines to justify election fraud is okey, at this point in the eyes of several people, Donald could literally gun down anyone at noon in the middle of the fifth avenue and people would defend it and go along.

Makes me wonder, if the adult children of that man would also get into politics, once his father politically expires.

STORMY DANIELS ORDERED TO PAY TRUMP $122K (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/341957-2023-04-07-stormy-daniels-ordered-to-pay-trump-122k.htm)

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https://thecommonsenseshow.com/activism-agenda-21-conspiracy/stormy-daniels-ordered-pay-trump-122k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKTYbgiRzrI
... (https://thecommonsenseshow.com/activism-agenda-21-conspiracy/stormy-daniels-ordered-pay-trump-122k)

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8)

Indicting Trump would be the biggest witch hunt in American history. He deserves better. Just look at the mess Joe Biden is making of US with his foreign policies. They might have already convicted him before the trial. Should they fail, Trump will return to WH.

Why did nobody indict Clinton?


PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON paid Paula Jones $850,000 to shut up about sexual harassment charges while he was in middle of impeachment hearings for affair with 19-yr-old intern… why was he never arrested? (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-04-10-bill-clinton-paid-paula-jones-850000-hush-money-never-arrested.html)

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-04-10-bill-clinton-paid-paula-jones-850000-hush-money-never-arrested.html
Yesterday, news broke that President Donald Trump could be indicted as soon as next week as a result of charges stemming from payments made to Stormy Daniels to keep an alleged affair between her and Trump quiet. Only hours ago, President Trump announced on his Truth Social account that he would be arrested on Tuesday.

(Article by Patty McMurray republished from 100PercentFedUp.com (https://100percentfedup.com/president-bill-clinton-paid-paula-jones-850000-to-shut-up-about-sexual-harassment-charges-while-he-was-in-middle-of-impeachment-hearings-for-affair-with-19-yr-old-intern-why-was-he-never-arrested/))
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Do you remember when former President Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to go away? Do you remember the FBI raiding his lawyer’s office? Well, that’s because the former happened and the latter did not.

In 1994, a former law clerk, Paula Jones, filed a lawsuit in a federal court in Little Rock, Arkansas, against President Bill Clinton for sexual harassment and defamation while he was the governor of Arkansas. In her suit, Jones asked for $700,000 in damages.

On November 13, 1998, President Clinton reached an out-of-court settlement with Jones for $850,000, putting an end to a lengthy four 1/2-year battle between America’s most accused serial sexual assault President and Jones. Why would President Clinton give Jones $150,000 MORE than what she asked for in her lawsuit? We will never know because America’s dishonest media didn’t care. The corporate media, like the Clintons, just wanted the Jones case to go away, as Bill Clinton was in the initial stages of his impeachment trial over his repugnant affair with a young, 19-year-old White House intern, Monica Lewinsky.
... (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-04-10-bill-clinton-paid-paula-jones-850000-hush-money-never-arrested.html)

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When you talk about Biden's foreign policies you mean the way he is helping Ukraine, the alleged connections he and his family have with powerful people in China or the management of the support is being given to Taiwan?

Because I have seen people around on internet being critic about those three topics of the American foreign policy.

Also, I forgot the mention the fact Biden seems to be importing oil from nations which are historically hostile to America, I assume you also mean that?

I don’t know bud. Why did nobody indict Clinton?
Make sure you start yet another asinine thread (you’re good at that)
entitled “Why Did Nobody indict Clinton?” when you reply because
this thread topic is Trump indictment, so GTFO with your off topic outdated whataboutism spam.

Your stupidity is so humiliating to even look at.

Better than 99% of all criminal activity anywhere is never prosecuted. So, when singling out Trump for prosecution while not prosecuting the many bigger crimes of others, especially presidents and former presidents, the prosecutors, themselves, are acting criminally.

How in the world dense are you? I'm not really asking for an answer to this question. I realize that you can't begin to analyze your stupidity. My question was only rhetorical.


The Point Of No Return (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/342135-2023-04-10-the-point-of-no-return.htm)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/point-no-return
The Roman historian Suetonius described Julius Caesar as timid and noncommittal as he initially approached the Rubicon River - a shallow and narrow waterway that, at the time, demarcated the boundary between Cisalpine Gaul and Italy proper - in January 49 B.C.E.

While we cannot know for certain whether New York County, New York District Attorney Alvin Bragg's catastrophic decision to successfully indict and arraign a former president of the United States was partially attributable to an intervening apparition, we can reasonably conclude that the actions of this past week have cast a most woeful die for the trajectory of our decadent, declining republic. The 34-count formal indictment of former President Donald Trump, laughably meritless on the legal merits and scandalously imprudent on the broader political judgment, represents a genie that cannot, and will not, ever be returned to its bottle.

Much ink has already been spilled on the glaring legal deficiencies in Bragg's case, which ought to be evident to any competent first-year law student and which had led Bragg's predecessor Cyrus Vance Jr., U.S. prosecutors and—in the not-so-distant past—Bragg himself to eschew prosecution. The underlying New York State crime that Trump allegedly violated and which is the exclusive crime invoked in the formal indictment, falsifying business records in the first degree, has a two-year statute of limitations under New York criminal law. The final alleged criminal bookkeeping action—a "hush money" payment to former porn star Stormy Daniels by former Trump "fixer," and more recent convicted felon, Michael Cohen—was on Dec. 5, 2017. The statute of limitations thus tolled over three years ago. That alone should suffice to dismiss the case.
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/point-no-return)

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Nah, Clinton did not bang and intern but he certainly lied as sucking is a sexual relation in my book at least. In the US that is a big thing I guess, but matters little for practical purposes. About Biden, just an accusation with no proof. Just take it to court and see if it flies.

But hey... you have forgotten other examples such as Nixon. Is it because he was Republican?

And no, Trump has done many other things, but he is not there for paying a big-boobed bimbo (I reckon he is consistent in his tastes), he is there for falsifying the campaign accounts to hide it. Just like Capone, he may get judged for the most minor of all his offences - as opposed to getting judged for "high treason" for attempting to overthrown the US democratic system.

Seriously... what would have the Republicans done if Biden or Hilary or any other lost an election and called for an armed mob to assault the Capitol and threaten the lives of the republican members. They would be yelling  for decades. Why do we have to overlook Trump's shit over and over?

You "brainwashed" and other insults could be applied to yourself. They are irrelevant. If you do not like the Democrats, think about who made them what they are today.

Is this a witch hunt? Probably yes, but on this case the witch flies on a broom and casts dark magic all over (this means that they are hunting the guy, but he is also guilty as as sin).

Do you remember Bill Clinton creating fraudulent business records to repay his lawyer for making a secret payment to help him in the election that was happening in 2 weeks?

I don't.

Maybe it happened in BADeckerville, I don't know.  I live in the real world.

Do you remember Trump "creating fraudulent business records to repay his lawyer for making a secret payment to help him in the election that was happening in 2 weeks?" Of course not. All you remember is the hearsay.

But keep it up. You would be out of line if you didn't keep on spreading the hearsay as though it was real.

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You gotta pay more attention if you want to act like Trumps defense attorney.  The payments aren't up for debate.  There is no hearsay.  At least not if you go by the real world definition of hearsay.  In BADeckerville, things could be different, I don't know.

But in the real word: Trump admitted it.  His lawyer went to prison for it and has testified publicly under oath about it.  And we have 10 of these:

https://i.gyazo.com/d1bac9ba5f399386f881bdbd37684c95.png

Yeah, this indictment is just the icebreaker.

The real fireworks are going to happen next month when the indictments for serious charges come to fruition, to wit Georgia election interference, instigating an insurrection and stealing classified docs with possible obstruction of justice. (apparently there is security camera footage of Trump rummaging around the docs, taking out his favorites for “keepsies.”)

The DA must have been drooling while watching the Hannity interview and Trump blurting out  "I had a right to take those documents!" Then Hannity is like "ok, lets move on"... lol

Every day it seems some new bombshell evidence drops. And now we have the latest comical interview with Tucker (the guy who stated he "hates him passionately") to ridicule.

The look on Tuckers face is priceless as Trump mindlessly rambles on (as he is prone to do) about "nuclear warming" nonsense. Not to mention his recounting about all the court people crying over his indictment and saying how sorry they were that he got indicted. What a lying piece of shit! No surprise though, that’s what he specializes in, lying.


Says the forum champion nonsense spammer who has threads started in his honor…..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400571.0

BTW I voted #2…..

Trump is such a genuinely nice guy that he has been taking it pretty easy on those jokers who are suing him for nothing. But now he is finally starting to resists a little. Even though the article says he is not suing with regard to the reasons he is being sued, part of the outcome will be as though he had.


BREAKING: Trump Sues Michael Cohen for $500 Million (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/342243-2023-04-13-breaking-trump-sues-michael-cohen-for-500-million.htm)

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https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-trump-sues-michael-cohen-for-500-million-mace/
Trump is seeking damages from Michael Cohen in a trial for compensatory, incidental, actual, and punitive losses.

The lawsuit states, "This is an action arising from [Cohen's] multiple breaches of fiduciary duty, unjust enrichment, conversion and breaches of contract by virtue of [Cohen's] past service as [Trump's] employee and attorney."

Fox News reported:

The lawsuit alleges Cohen breached his attorney-client relationship by "spreading falsehoods" about Trump that were "likely to be embarrassing or detrimental, and partook in other misconduct," while also breaching contractual terms of a confidentiality agreement he signed as a condition of employment with Trump.

The lawsuit alleges Cohen spread falsehoods about Trump "with malicious intent and to wholly self-serving ends."
... (https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-trump-sues-michael-cohen-for-500-million-mace/)

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Seems now Trump is under investigation for wire fraud.
The list goes on….

Yeah the documents case is really heating up.  The W Post has been reporting that Jack is now in posession of evidence, including video tapes and testimony from Mar a Lago staff that after being served the Subpoena to turn over all the government documents he had them moved to his office where he personally went through them and picked out a few dozen that he wanted to keep.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3930885-doj-has-more-evidence-of-possible-trump-obstruction-in-classified-documents-case-washington-post/


Seems like he really should be considering looking at some plea deals at this point.  Of course, that would probably kill his presidential campaign.  But then again despite some impressive gains in Republican primary polls, he's losing ground quickly to Biden in general election polls.

Fox News: Head-to-head polls show Trump weakness vs. Biden, underwater approval (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/head-polls-show-trump-weakness-biden-underwater-approval)

Obviously anything can still happen, but If he ends up facing multiple criminal trials (not to mention the massive civil case he's in NY for right now, or the defemation case against the woman he raped) and loses the election, he is fuccccckkkkeeeddddd.

You got that right my friend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyj1YYds2m8

You know how Trump wanted to build that wall?
Not sure if its the one one he wanted to build, but there is definitely a wall closing in on him...

https://i.imgur.com/VR9VRPR.png

Actually, Republicans love this stuff. It shows how scared the Dems are, that they would pick on a former president so badly in the hopes that he will fail. Don't you just love it? It almost seems like Trump might be himself paying his enemies to do what they are doing, simply to guarantee that he will make it into the presidency 2024.

Love it :-*

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Ahh, that explains why nothing really happened after Trump called on everyone to "PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST" and promised "death and destruction" if he were indicted.

Thanks for your valuable insight as usual BADecker.


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You are welcome, Twitchy.     8)

BA, can you provide any proof whatsoever of all that you have said on this thread? I guess you can provide the same proofs as  Trump. He says the DAs of Manhattan are corrupted. Where is the proof? He says they are financed by Soros. Where is the proof? You say Hilary falsified records. Where is the proof? He says his layer engaged in misconduct, what proof has him offered?

It has become so usual from Trump and for you to say just anything, including criminal accusations and smearing of people with long and distinguished careers without adding anything to make it credible that it may seem like that is somehow acceptable. Well, it is not. It does not fly, it is not acceptable and even if you would to believe it, it does not make it true.

If you accuse, you have to prove it. Else you are just lying and smearing.

Proof is simple. In the US, the standard is 'innocent until proven guilty'. In the case of Trump, most or all of the charges against him are being brought past the statute of limitations. This means that he can never be found guilty of them even if he was guilty. If a DA or anyone else in government tries to prosecute for something past the statute of limitations, it is the DA or other government people who are guilty.

What does this mean regarding Trump? It means that in court, if Trump's attorneys remind the DA of the statute of limitations, and the DA doesn't drop the charges, Trump's people can accuse and indict the DA for at least false arrest and false accusation. It's common knowledge.

Trump doesn't want to have to go this route, because he is a peaceful guy. But he's being pushed into it. However, he is starting to fight back a little, with that $500 million suit against Michael Cohen.

Don't take my word for this stuff. I make my mistakes. Do a bit of research.

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Yes Trump is indicted...again ...twice (and counting). I actually think he maybe eventually spending some time at the Stoney Lonesome...wouldn't that be some serious karma?
So lets see...
-Impeached not once but twice, during his laughable failed presidency.
-Indicted for filing false business records in the state of New York.
-Found liable in a civil case for sexual assault, $5 million damages and now being sued again.
-Soon to be indicted for election interference in Georgia.
-Soon to be indicted for planning and trying to execute a failed violent insurrection (indictment #3 or $4)
-And now federally indicted for stealing and not returning classified docs and possible (probable) obstruction of justice.

And he is the republican front runner for potus 2024 election.

You can't make this shit up.

He seems to be taking it pretty well...

https://i.snipboard.io/e0dVjX.jpg

The crazy part is how many people are still buying his bullshit and parroting back his rants.  Probably millions of Americans that have been brainwashed into not believing anything they read unless it's coming from a MAGATard that honestly think this is happening simply because Trump took a few documents with him on the way out and Biden did the same thing.

Pretty much any other Republican candidate would be a favorite in the general election (besides Pence I suppose), but it's looking like they're going to go with the guy that already lost to Biden and this time he will be wearing an ankle bracelet...

Smart play is obviously work out a deal with DeSantis, endorsement for a pardon.  

Things continue to heat up, it seems. Tuesday is gonna be interesting, to see how Trump react in person and in front of a Federal Judge.
I would have guessed that the Georgia State authorities would have come forward before those Feds in Florida, but I guess Jack Smith has been working faster than I expected.

Also, I have read and heard that in the case Trump gets convicted of a Federal crime and still manages to become the president of the USA, he could technically pardon himself. Is that right or it is just some fake news/ interpretations of the USA law.  ???

https://i.gyazo.com/65a688e6b447ce7baf9b51ad1e26d96c.png

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/09/us/trump-indictment-document-annotated.html

https://i.gyazo.com/8278dbbcdb6b0bc34befacc99c1b26b2.png

yikes

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Jack pwnz Trump.

Well, it seems this is worse than anyone could imagine. One thing is to store nuclear secrets or foreign adversaries on your desktop, but doing so with your own countries' nuclear information and possible vulnerabilities of your homeland and your allies is a completely different story.

If this can be proven to be the case, I could see a real (although small) possibility of Trump actually spending time behind bars... Other people have been labelled traitor for lesser stuff than this in the United States.

This is not a letter from the North Korean dictator.

And now we know the search warrant was totally justified. Traitor Trump is done, will be convicted and is going to jail.

https://youtu.be/QMcmDc2PYrs?t=424s


https://youtu.be/QMcmDc2PYrs

Trump has an easy-out:  Just say he or one of his people was gathering the info for Israel's national security.  Neither side will say anything more about it than they did when Israeli IMSI-catchers where found to be plying the political quarters of the nation's capital under Trump's watch.  That is to say, nothing.

Good thing that the Dems stole the election from Kari Lake in Arizona. Now she has the freedom to support Trump while she is preparing her own case for the Supreme Court.


WATCH: “I HATE Joe Biden’s Administration. It’s a Fraudulent, Illegitimate Administration” – Kari Lake Slams Mike Pence, Responds to Trump Indictment, Calls On GOP Presidential Candidates to DROP OUT OF RACE (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/345078-2023-06-10-watch-i-hate-joe-bidens-administration-its-a-fraudulent-illegitimate.htm)

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/watch-i-hate-joe-bidens-administration-its-fraudulent/
Kari Lake responded to President Trump's highly politicized indictment yesterday on Sebastian Gorka's show ahead of her big appearance at the Georgia GOP convention.

The Gateway Pundit reported that Kari Lake is headed to Miami for President Trump's arraignment on Tuesday to support him in his fight against the radical Marxist Biden Regime.

Kari Lake also released a statement yesterday calling President Trump's latest indictment "the most blatant act of election interference in our nation's history." Lake further called on the Republican Party to "unite to save our country from this historic corruption and work to return President Donald J. Trump to the White House in 2024."
... (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/watch-i-hate-joe-bidens-administration-its-fraudulent/)

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Hey Bud, I don't give a rat's ass about sore loser Kari Lake and her delusions and blatant lies that have completely bamboozled the likes of credulous nut cases like you.
Go start another thread about it.
Stop polluting this thread with your usual nonsense links and maybe comment on why Trumps indictments are/are not valid.

Well, tomorrow is the day we will see history in the making, regardless you are a Trump supporter or not.
The first former president of the United states to be Federally charged with a crime, what a time to be alive, this is the kind of stuff what will appear in the history books and kids will study in the future in high schools.  :P

It would be funny if Trump did not show up at court and a manhunt was issued but we all know he is intelligent to realize that that won't help him in his political ambitions. Also, those transcripts are simply unreal, how someone can talk about classified documents so lightly... specially those about attacks on adversaries and military weaknesses.

Looks like Trump was legal in keeping the records and documents, after all. The 'Presidential Records Act' allows the President to keep any government records as personal records, as long as he removes them from government while he is in office. This was adjudicated to be so in a case where Clinton did this.

What the whole thing means is that everybody who raided Mar-a-Lago, did so as theft and invasion of privacy, against the 4th Amendment. It will be interesting to see if Trump files against them.

Also, see http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/345377-2023-06-15-is-this-proof-the-trump-indictment-is-a-scam.htm and the Youtube video there.


Trump Dismantles Sham Indictment By Criminal Democrats (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/345359-2023-06-15-trump-dismantles-sham-indictment-by-criminal-democrats.htm)

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https://banned.video/watch?id=648a40a547c3b95f250599f0
Trump made the extraordinary remarks during a rally in Bedminster, New Jersey, following his unprecedented arraignment in Miami, Florida over federal charges related to classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.
... (https://banned.video/watch?id=648a40a547c3b95f250599f0)

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Bill Clinton kept an audio journal in his sock drawer. 

When Republicans found out they sued him for it, claiming the tapes belonged to the office.

A judge ruled that the personal journal was a personal record, which was defined in an ammendment to the Presidential record act.

Here's the definition
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title44/chapter22&edition=prelim



Here's a list the documents he's being charged for keeping, hiding from the FBI, lying about hiding them, etc...


https://i.gyazo.com/6bae4a9f00dc677c6b151b620f8ac963.png
https://i.gyazo.com/9a319b904e539b9467bf331dd2ccc627.gif
https://i.gyazo.com/662ac4e9a7797c562beed33eafdd86da.gif
https://i.gyazo.com/9e2489c6dd7839f33a333baa22af379b.gif
https://i.gyazo.com/67973f2c30883524b34aca06e3d4cb43.gif

Here's a picture of how some of them were stored at his beach club in florida:

https://i.gyazo.com/e3b04d283ac6d435bb3864a2c1d62794.png


https://i.gyazo.com/6ae6be1c9e161114aec11e697292f8c0.png




“WE CAN’T HAVE SOMEONE IN THE OVAL OFFICE WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORD ‘CONFIDENTIAL’ OR ‘CLASSIFIED.’”
- Donald J. Trump

Exactly what Trump was attempting to do. Then Biden used some of his stolen authority to steal docs that had been 'confidential' and 'classified' documents... docs that Trump was trying to maintain safely away from Biden who doesn't understand the meaning of 'confidential' or classified'.

We all can see by Biden's corrupt activity in office, that even if Trump did some kind of hand-slap wrong, that Biden is a thousand times worse in his directing of the country, and sharing 'confidential' and 'classified' documents with enemies and potential enemies... exactly the thing that Trump was trying to protect us from.

Thanks for the Trump advertising, though.

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You can't easily tell, of course, if this guy flipped his position because he knows that Trump will win. It could all have to do with switching sides to keep from being prosecuted by Trump (as much) later. But maybe he is an honest guy, and just couldn't take the criminal Biden operations any longer.


Top FBI Deep Stater Who Played Key Role in Trump Raid FLIPS -- Admits FBI Search Was Illegal (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/345468-2023-06-17-top-fbi-deep-stater-who-played-key-role-in-trump.htm)

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https://needtoknow.news/2023/06/top-fbi-deep-stater-who-played-key-role-in-trump-raid-flips-admits-fbi-search-was-illegal/
The official in question is Steven D'Antuono, a particularly notable whistleblower given the integral role he played in the kidnapping entrapment plot of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-Mich.), which earned him a promotion as Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI Washington Field Office (WFO) in 2020.

D'Antuono's office subsequently quarterbacked the mass arrests and prosecutions of hundreds of Trump supporters following the January 6 protests.

In a letter sent to Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) claimed D'Antuono voluntarily came forward to the House Judiciary Committee to reveal his objections with how the bureau executed the raid of Mar-a-Lago.

"On June 7, 2023—days before the reported indictment of former President Trump—the Committee conducted a transcribed interview of Steven D'Antuono," Jordan wrote.

"Mr. D'Antuono served as the former Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI's Washington Field Office (WFO) and one of the most senior FBI officials in charge of effectuating the unprecedented raid of President Trump's residence at Mar-a-Lago. During his testimony, Mr. D'Antuono expressed strong concerns with the Department's pursuit of the raid and noted several unusual features in the Department's handling of the case."
... (https://needtoknow.news/2023/06/top-fbi-deep-stater-who-played-key-role-in-trump-raid-flips-admits-fbi-search-was-illegal/)

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Indictment #3 incoming shortly…
https://youtu.be/ncqIJFfHlKc
And then #4 (Georgia election interference) is due in August.
And this criminal is apparently the GOP presidential frontrunner.
He ain’t going to the Whitehouse. He’s going to the jail house.
Then once this failed crook is in jail, he’ll be looking to sell
the insurrection movie rights to the highest Hollywood bidder, because of course he will.
(be going to jail that is)

There's nothing that says a President can't pardon himself... or rule from jail if he wants.

Of course, indictments aren't convictions. Besides they can go both ways.

As corrupt Biden destroys America and the world, his activity just might wake people up to the fact that the real big bad lies with Biden... that Trump is almost like an angel when compared with Biden. However, if the people won't wake up, Biden will destroy them. It's happening right now, and you can see it in the state of the economy.

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How did I know you would be 1st to reply to my comment Bud?
And of course like all typical deluded Trump cultists, (for that matter, all the GOP Trump spineless toadie politicians, with not an ounce of integrity, but just pander to their ignorant base... Lindsey Graham comes to mind)
you didn't address  the substance of the indictments and whether or not you think they are valid, and why. Because you cant.
You just deflect off into Biden whataboutism. Pathetic. Keep living in your Trump fascist dictator fantasy land, Bud. You seem to want that. To hell with democracy. I wonder what your imaginary friend thinks of your behavior? But hey, I will give you credit for not babbling on incessantly about Hunter Biden's laptop.

BTW, When Trump gets convicted of insurrection crimes, by law, he will be barred from ever holding office again.
Also federal pardons don't work on state crimes.

Of course I can't address the substance of the indictments. Nobody can. There isn't any.

The closest thing to substance for the indictments is the reason why they exist. They simply are there to cover up the criminality of Biden and certain government officials, and to attempt to keep Trump out of office.

All of the J6 accusations are simply illegal political warfare in ways that honest people don't fight.

The wicked Dems and the Biden team better win 2024. If they don't, they will be destroyed by the honest people of America and the world... among whom Trump is one of the best.


Top Republicans Jump To Trump's Defense Over Imminent 'Arrest And Indictment' (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/347067-2023-07-19-top-republicans-jump-to-trumps-defense-over-imminent-arrest-and.htm)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-expects-arrest-and-indictment-over-january-6th
"Recently President Trump went up in the polls and was actually surpassing President Biden for reelection. So what do they do now? Weaponize government to go after their No. 1 opponent," House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) told reporters on Tuesday, following Trump's announcement that her would likely be "indicted and arrested" soon over his alleged role in January 6th.

"This is not equal justice. They treat people differently and they go after their adversaries," McCarthy continued.

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA) also came to Trump's defense, noting that the news comes as the House Oversight Committee is slated to hear testimony from two IRS whistleblowers who alleged that an investigation into Hunter Biden was stonewalled by prosecutors.

"Now you see the Biden administration going after President Trump once again, it begs that question — is there a double standard? Is justice being administered equally?" asked Scalise at the House GOP conference presser.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) also chimed in, saying that the charges are "ridiculous," and that special counsel Jack Smith is "weaponizing" the DOJ against Trump.

"If this is the direction America is going — we are worse than Russia, we are worse than China. We are worse than some of the most corrupt third world countries, and this needs to end," she said, adding "It's an absolute lie."

Greene also called Smith a "weak little bitch" on Twitter.
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-expects-arrest-and-indictment-over-january-6th)

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To be honest, the indictments and arrests do not seem to have much of a negative impact on the polls, regarding the changes Trump has to get the presidency.
And how the percentages stand, he easily will get the Republican nomination.. since I am well aware that most of people in the United States is reasonable, he likely won't get the presidency, so he will claim to be a victim of electoral fraud again, further dividing the country.

Whether he wins or lose, he will further damage what is supposed to be one of the best democracies on the planet. I still don't believe he will spend a night in prison after all this has ended, though.

To be honest, it doesn't seem like the polls have much of an impact on the outcome of the election. If they did,
Trump would be in office right now, and
we wouldn't have any war between Russia and Ukraine, and
the prices of gasoline and food, etc., would be lower than they were in 2019, and
Fauci and Birx and a bunch of other doctors would be going to prison (Covid lies), and
the border wall would have been extended to keep illegals out, and
America would be going into production rather than buying from China, and
a whole bunch of other good things that fall into the class of Making America Great Again would be going on.

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U.S. Economic Growth Accelerates, Defying Slowdown Expectations
Economy grew 2.4% last quarter, suggesting the U.S. is steering clear of recession
https://www.wsj.com/articles/us-gdp-report-economic-growth-92482437

The US economy is doing way better than the rest of the rich world
-The US is performing much better than many other wealthy nations when comparing economic growth and inflation rates.
-The US had the highest GDP growth since the start of the pandemic among the G7 countries, an informal group of industrialized democracies.
-This data further suggests the US is not heading toward a recession.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-doing-way-better-than-rest-of-rich-world-2023-7

Unemployment Rate At or Near Record Lows in Half of US States
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-21/jobless-rates-in-half-of-us-states-are-at-or-near-record-low

https://i.gyazo.com/794b08dde1d25dc9ab7cbbb9d1011996.png
https://i.gyazo.com/7b99e1ddff52e943aa0178507a235e8d.png

I beg to differ. Why, he's even checking out his new outfits (and Jesus sandals too, but no pic of that... yet) he will be sporting at The Club Fed...

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/28/Q1w8d.png

Ah... apparently he likes the onesie...

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/28/Q1Hw5.png

Trump has spent 40 million USD of PAC money on legal fees in the last 6 months: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/us/trump-pac-legal-fees.html

56M in the last three years. His lawyers must love him. Repeat customer.

And that is only the beginning, but my guess is that he is getting that money from somewhere. I just could not ever vote for someone for any office if they cannot disclose how do they make many and how much. If you need to keep your economy in private, just do not run for a public office which is about serving others, not yourself.

Thank you. Exactly what I mean. These piddly little examples of barely any beneficial improvements, are essentially disasters when you consider the greatness that Trump was making America. How can you tell? Go to the grocery store, and compare the prices of food with Trump days. Or look at the price of gasoline. Or look at inflation in all the things that people buy.

Trump was avoiding war. But the way Biden is making war in the Ukraine shows us that Biden and his cronies are the ones causing inflation. How? By borrowing more money from the Fed, and putting it into the economy by giving it to Ukraine. If a president needs to borrow money, why not give it to the American people to offset inflation?

How does more money make more inflation? More money means less value to each dollar. Since people don't generally eat money, the value of the food they DO eat remains constant. It's the money that devalues, so that food seems to cost more.

Now, I'll be fair. Nobody can see the future. And nobody can tell what would have happened if Trump had a second term. Things might have gone bad. But we sure can see what is happening with Biden getting a first term. Things have for-a-fact gone bad... and way, way, worse than Trump could have made them if he tried.

I know that you are not that dense. You know this stuff without me telling it to you. So, are you simply a troll?


GOP Senators Are Horrified That Their Voters Support the Bad Orange Man (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/347670-2023-08-01-gop-senators-are-horrified-that-their-voters-support-the-bad.htm)

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https://www.americanlibertyreportnews.com/articles/gop-senators-are-horrified-that-their-voters-support-the-bad-orange-man/
If we don't knock it off with our insurrections and our desire for clean elections, peace and prosperity for our families, they're just going to pick up their toys and leave.

We should welcome this long-awaited transparency, because it means that the days of these RINOs are now officially numbered.

The Hill did a series of interviews with Republican Senators about how very upset they are with their own voter base. The article is titled, "GOP senators rattled by radical conservative populism (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4098609-gop-senators-rattled-by-radical-conservative-populism/)."

If you think that the Republicans you vote to send to the US Senate are supposed to represent your interests, you are the radical to these people. If you've always kind of suspected that many Republican Senators hate their own voters, this should make it crystal clear.
... (https://www.americanlibertyreportnews.com/articles/gop-senators-are-horrified-that-their-voters-support-the-bad-orange-man/)

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Aaaaand indictment #3 has just dropped…

https://youtu.be/IeZ5OywWy4E

But see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5411468.msg62637732#msg62637732 which will show you that the indictments are only making Trump more popular.

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Which in and of itself is a damning indictment of your nation.  Half of the US clings to Trump like BSV loonies cling to Craig Wright.  In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there was some overlap between those two demographics. 

At what point do you think you'll start to question if there's something wrong with you when you want the criminals to win?   

You say this while the Biden criminal, who is way worse than Trump could ever think of being, still maintains his usurped power. What!? Are you or your people getting some of Biden's crime ridden money? Your focus is simply way off.

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Wtf Bud?
This thread topic is Trump indictments, not your constant whiney ass deluded Biden whataboutism.
Go start a Biden thread and gtfo of here with your usual nonsense.

You poor baby. You can't even see that the Trump indictments only exist because the Biden team is criminally trying to destroy him. Your attitude is shown by the way you talk. All you want to do is cover for the bad guys... the Deep State Swamp.

Why would they want to do that? Because, if Trump gets to be president, he will literally destroy the Biden team by correcting the crimes they are doing... often the same ones that they are accusing him of. They could wind up in prison, or even executed in some cases.

So you see? Trump indictments have everything to do with Biden criminality.

If Trump wins the presidency, all the indictments in the world won't matter. He simply will pardon himself if necessary. And Biden won't be executed. He will be assassinated by his own people... because of what he knows.


Trump Ruthlessly Attacks 'Biden Crime Family' At Raucous Rally In Erie, Pennsylvania (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/347826-2023-08-03-trump-ruthlessly-attacks-biden-crime-family-at-raucous-rally-in.htm)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoh3hinEMC8
Former President Trump holds a campaign rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, hammering his 2024 Republican presidential rivals and President Biden.
... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoh3hinEMC8)

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You honestly believe the man who proposed injecting bleach into people to cure Covid... knows things?  That he has pearls of enlightenment that others are yet to attain?  Truly a savant of our times?  ::)

Trump doesn't know his arsehole from his eye sockets, which might explain that weird squint thing he does.    :D

There really is no hope for you.

Yet the cities put this exact same bleach into the drinking water to kill off harmful 'bugs'. And the bottles of water you buy at the stores have all been purified with bleach.

In addition, DuPont sells the bleach all over the world, especially to poor countries, to purify their lakes and rivers and marshes and swamp lands.

Don't be so ignorant (except if you want to be, of course). Look it up.



You still haven't figured out how America was on the increase with Trump, and that after only two short years of Biden, America sunk to some of its lowest times. Don't you even buy groceries? Don't you buy gas? Or are you one of the poverty stricken who thought that Biden was going to raise you at least to middle class? And you haven't figured out that he hasn't?

Your own words of 'no hope' are backfiring on you, once you take a look. See a bunch of good things that Trump did - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252 Try speeding up to stop sometime.

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I know Americans tend to assume they're the centre of the universe and the rest of the world sometimes ceases to exist in their mind, but try to remember that other nations do exist.  I'm from one of those.  And I wouldn't have set foot in your nation even as a tourist while the orange shitgibbon was in charge.  Currently undecided on whether or not I'd venture there now.  It still seems like a backwards, regressive hillbilly-hellscape even with Biden at the helm.

Oh please... we have beautiful progressive cities here as well, not just hills with billies.

https://meem.link/i/tp5vypeu.png

Even Trump couldn't destroy that. 250+ years of pursuit of happiness FTW.

Since we can't seem to see your picture, what is it that you are talking about exactly? Since Trump wasn't/isn't trying to destroy the freedom of people to live how they like, he left that up to Biden... who is doing just that... destroying the lives of people with inflation and all kinds of crazy laws.

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Oh, so now that indictments started raining down it turns out that Trump "left" it for Biden. Such a class act.

Well, if you listen to this whole Patric Byrne video here - https://banned.video/watch?id=64caf93621b3069ecc2eed3d - you will see the frailty that everybody has, including Trump. You will, also, see that like anybody of Trump's kind of wealth, doesn't need the presidency. Now that things are straightening themselves out, Trump is ever pushing to Make America Great Again.

Why is Trump doing this? To take down criminals in the US government, and to see a good country become the best that ever was... America.


The Legal Cases Against Trump Explained (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/347899-2023-08-04-the-legal-cases-against-trump-explained.htm)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/legal-cases-against-trump-explained
Never before has a former president been criminally charged—much less a frontrunner in another presidential race.

As the remaining investigation gets closer to possible charges and the indicted ones inch closer to trials, Mr. Trump has repeatedly pledged that he would continue his campaign even if convicted.

Defense Documents

The most developed case so far involves Mr. Trump's keeping of documents from his presidency. Special counsel Jack Smith charged Mr. Trump and two of his employees with 37 felony counts, including illegal retention of national defense information, obstruction of government, and lying to the government.

While the trial is set for May 2024, some legal observers expect further delays.

The case traces back to Mr. Trump's January 2021 exit from the White House. His belongings and some of the documents from his time in office were packed in boxes and shipped to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort in West Palm Beach, Florida.

The indictment argues that it was at this point that Mr. Trump committed 31 counts of illegally retaining national defense information because he "caused" the boxes to be moved. While this crime, under the Espionage Act, requires criminal intent, no evidence has emerged so far that Mr. Trump was aware the 31 documents in question were in the boxes.

It appears that Mr. Trump was under the impression that he could go through the boxes at his own pace and keep whatever he deemed personal.
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/legal-cases-against-trump-explained)

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I cannot argue with that, it seems that indeed being indicted by the Department of Justice lately has driven Republican voters to support Trump, in detriment of his primary opponents, like De Santis.

If there is something to learn from all of this, is that in politics the passion of those who believe to be victims of wrongdoing can indeed move the scale of power, which is rather a sad thing to witness from a country like the United States, which is supposed to be a light to be followed in the darkness of authoritarian regimes.

Passion and Reason.

However...

There are many Republican Rinos that don't support Trump. And the reverse is that there are many common-people Democrats who have become 'DINOs' (Democrat In Name Only). There are even a lot of Dino government people who support Trump. Who and what is a "PINO?" Political parties are becoming useless, as people are beginning to see all the bad stuff being promoted by their particular party. PINO - Party-member In Name Only.



With all the Pinos and Dinos around, the great disadvantage at the polls is that , some States won't allow you to vote in a member of a party that is not their own registered party. In some States, if you are registered 'Democrat', youi won't easily be allowed to vote for Trump. And people won't figure this out until voting time comes, and they won't be able to vote because of it.

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Wait a minute.
I thought that in the United States, being registered only meant that you political affiliation was public and your political participation within the party was wider. But I did not know that being a registered Republican or Democrat actually meant that you could not vote freely.

In theory your vote is supposed to be secret, it is one of the pillars of democracy, isn't it ?

If what you say is true then being registered sounds rather like a cult than a political party.

The US Constitution gives control of elections to the States. The States don't all do it the same way. The only control that the Federal has is when a State does something so 'wrong' in their election process, that the Feds have to step in to get rid of the criminality. That's why I said 'some States' above.

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BADecker is one of those election "experts" who likely has never voted. Voters don't have to vote for "their" party in the general election. They can vote freely. Perhaps he meant primaries, which are restricting participation by party in some states but that's not much different from the nomination process in any other democracy, i.e. members of the party choosing the nominee of the party.

His wealth won't keep him out of prison.  The presidency will.

This is going to be a wild ride whether it ends with trump in prison or in the white house.

Thanks for this clarification  :)
It can be all a bit confusing since in my country, Venezuela, the whole system of political affiliation and registration is different. Here it is mostly like having a card and being part of a tree house club. So I am not well informed of the legal, social or political implications, duties and rights which may come from being a registered Republican or Democrat.

Though, I have noticed that it has been something which is used by people on internet to add a label to criminals and mass murderers immediately after a tragedy, I recall people point out the Las Vegas massacre murderer was alledgely a registered democrat, that was a falsehood, though.

Registration is typically required for voting but some states allow same day registration (i.e. basically you come with proof of citizenship in election day and can vote). In some other states though you need to register well in advance so that might be a bit of a bummer although not unique. Generally speaking, most countries will probably want to know you exist as a voter and where you live (for local election purposes) and the US doesn't really have a resident registration system that some other countries do, so there is a voter registration system. It's not so much about the party, just about being able to vote.

The slightly stupid part is that some states require you to choose democrat or republican (no "independent" option) but since that doesn't really affect how you vote it's just one of those things you have to learn to live with.

Well, here one needs to register well in advance before being able to vote. When I got myself registered I had to stand up for 8 hours, before I could finally get my turn. They take our data, address, etc.

I have read in recent years that the right to vote itself has been a debate topic there in the United States. I have seen democrats saying Republicans are trying to suppress the vote of groups of people who are likely to vote blue. On the other hand, I have seen Republicans accusing Democrats of a little bit of everything, from vote fraud to try to grand voting rights to people who are not supposed to have them.

How true are those allegations from both sides?

The election day is Tuesday. That alone is truly fucked up if you excuse my French. Low wage hourly employees don't get the day off to vote or can't afford to lose hours of paid time. Most other countries vote on weekends and/or allow long early voting periods. In the US early vote and mail-in vote is a favorite GOP straw man for "voter fraud", which hasn't been really proven to exist on any appreciable scale but is a scare slogan for restricting said types of voting (e.g. make it difficult to get early ballots, limit the number and convenience of locations to drop them off, etc) without blatantly saying "we don't want poor/young/brown people to vote".

Then there is the whole gerrymandering issue.

I think Republicans tend to do more suppression because higher voter turnout is typically more favorable to Democrats.

Well, typically here voting days are set to be on Sundays all day, so people can participate easier.  :)

Yes, I have seen Republicans slashing against early voting, specially durig the pandemic and lockdown context. But funnily enough, some of them have realized that going against early voting and encourage their voting base to only vote in person could have created a disadvantage to themselves. Republicans would have had more chances of winning in 2020 if they were encouraged to use the same tools and mechanisms to vote more comfortably, as democrat voters did.

I can get the GOP has internalized some racism and dislike the poor, but trying to exclude the youth instead trying to appeal to them is a huge mistake, they may be dooming the future of their party. Imo.

The tables are starting to turn against Biden's team, and in favor of Trump.


Federal Judge Makes Big Trump Decision - She Derails the Prosecution With 1 Bold Move (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348203-2023-08-09-federal-judge-makes-big-trump-decision-she-derails-the-prosecution.htm)

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https://pjnewsletter.com/federal-judge-trump-decision-derail/
Joe Biden's DOJ has indicted Trump so many times, it's hard to keep track of them all. Few Americans believe these indictments are really about the charges–and not attempts at derailing the 2024 Election. Joe Biden is such a bad candidate, that Democrats appear to be going out of their way to manipulate the election.

The special counsel running most of these trials is a leftist named Jack Smith. Smith is running the case against Trump out of Florida–accusing him of a variety of crimes over boxes of paperwork he kept at his house. But Smith has a big problem, a judge that refuses to let politics interfere with justice. And she just shut down the left's scheme.

From Fox News:

Judge Aileen Cannon of the Southern District of Florida – who is presiding over the case stemming from a Miami grand jury's June indictment of Trump – denied the Department of Justice's (DOJ) request for sealed filings, striking two from the record. Cannon also requested additional information from prosecutors regarding the continued use of an out-of-state grand jury to investigate the case.

Ouch. It looks as if Judge Cannon is not at all pleased with how Jack Smith is conducting his prosecution. She denied attempts by the DOJ's lapdog to seal the filings, which would have prevented the public from learning what is going on.

She also is demanding answers from this prosecutor over why he keeps using an out-of-district grand jury to run his case. Some have suggested that Smith is using a grand jury in a district that has more people with anti-Trump leanings. All so he can have an advantage in railroading the former president.
... (https://pjnewsletter.com/federal-judge-trump-decision-derail/)

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Hey Bud, do a little research beyond your retarded right wingnut disinformation conspiracy theory websites and Faux News and you will realize this "judge" is a total Trump lackey who doesn't know shit from Shinola.
She was appointed by Trump after he was voted out of office and she has practically zero trial experience. Look it up.
She has already been overturned by an appellate court in a ruling she made last year in the classified docs case because she totally fucked up.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/08/egal-experts-blast-judge-aileen-cannons-latest-pro-trump-rulings

As I said. The tables are starting to turn against Biden and his team. Consider. Have the charges been dropped? Has the prosecution gone away? No... to both of these.

Judge Cannon made a move in the right direction. The charges against Trump are trumped up, and she is willing to rule in a direction that is right. Bravo for her. But her ruling can be overturned, possibly. Even Trump has to start somewhere. This is part of his start to fight back.

Any of you jokers who are simple, honest people, and not some kind of troll, are really mixed up if you are against Trump. It's kinda like this:

Let's say that Trump is actually doing something bad against you (which he is not, BTW). Let's say he has a 45 pistol pointed at you, and looks like he is ready to pull the trigger. Bad Trump. But you forget this...

Biden and his crew are dozens, all with machine guns pointed at you, and they seem to have already pulled their triggers. Wanna see it? Just look at the economy, and the direction it's going. Prices of a whole lot of things have more than doubled. Companies are shutting down. New car sales have dropped to almost nothing.

Trump brought the economy back into a powerful position in only 4 years. But Biden made it worse than it ever was in less than 3 years.

And as if that wasn't enough, and since this post is about Trump, now Biden is going after Trump criminally, to destroy whatever good is left.

You jokers are really mixed up... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.


It Was Biden Russian Collusion All Along!  (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348246-2023-08-10-it-was-biden-russian-collusion-all-along.htm)

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https://banned.video/watch?id=64d424a3eb383262dcc64f3a
It's beginning to look like the entire Trump Russian collusion narrative was actually about Joe Biden! Now we now of more millions paid to the Biden's from Russian Oligarchs and other countries. Meanwhile, Michigan Police and The Gateway Pundit have uncovered what might lead to the biggest reveal on how Democrats cheat to win elections. Jim Hoft joins the show to discuss the discovery. Chris Sky is in the studio to talk about his journey to the United States and taking his tour to America.
... (https://banned.video/watch?id=64d424a3eb383262dcc64f3a)

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Typical reply, Bud.
You did not address my point about the judge being a Trump toadie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WddHQHbLtx4), but just went off on a retarded tangent with your normal deluded diatribe drivel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WddHQHbLtx4

Damn it! Why am I feeding the resident p+s troll again?
...Must of been that tasty nip I just quaffed to start off my lovely summer weekend.

Thanks for the advertising.

Have you notice how this section in the forum is losing a lot of interest? Now that people are finding out that Trump is good, and that Biden is bad, and that Russia is beating the crap out of Ukraine, and that the US is embarrassed about it, what else is there to talk about?

Your advertising helps the section stay alive.

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Mainly because we don't have to care or worry anymore and democrats can move to building the country. Right wing republicans might be lunatics, but adults are in charge, and now we have just to wait. Things take time to go trough proper channels. Trump is most likely going to jail and your disinformation links can't do anything about that. I know that you must be fired up about that as you need to make new conspiracy theories how Trump is still in charge of his prison block.

Another like I was talking about. Trying to predict the future. And if it goes your way, you'll be all up and in my face like, "See? I'm good. I knew it."

I know, I know. You are angry. Was your mommy mean to you when you were a kid? You probably don't really know what you are angry about. But Trump was there, so might as well be angry at him. Not for any reason, of course. Just gotta be angry at somebody big.

Meanwhile Biden is screwing many people over many times worse than Trump could even think to be. Just think. All those deaths in the Ukraine war. Biden extended them way beyond what they would have been without his support. If Trump had been there, there wouldn't even have been any war.

You ignorant jokers are dishonest as the day is long, and that's why you are joining the Biden crooks who are in office. You think Biden is going to make you all rich. You're like the Russians who cheered Stalin, until they woke up dead from one of his death squads.

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Haven't seen badecker get this emotional before.  The indictments seem to be getting to him.

By the way, has anyone one of you taken a look at the fake electors scheme lately?
Yesterday, I heard a phone interview of one of the people charged with trying to pose as a fake elector for the State of Michigan (I think that was the state).

She said that literally was invited to a Republican meeting and make her sign on a paper as a delegate, however she alledges that later someone took her signature and used it on a fake electoral document so she could have her fake vote to Donald Trump, replacing Biden's victory in the State.

She is a woman in her 70s, it would be terrifying to even consider one could spend the rest of ones natural life in prison because a stolen signature (assuming she is not lying, tho)

Trump got himself into trouble when he agreed to let the attorneys and the judge make the decisions of the court. Because of this, it just might be exactly as this judge says.


As Hearing Begins, Evidence Of Bias Mounts Against DC Judge (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348355-2023-08-11-as-hearing-begins-evidence-of-bias-mounts-against-dc-judge.htm#comments)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trumps-dc-judge-evidence-bias
Update (1030ET): With regard to bias we thought the following comments from the hearing this morning may also elucidate some of Judge Chutkan's views...

"Mr Trump, like every American, has a First Amendment right to free speech. But that right is not absolute."

"A defendant's free speech is subject to conditions," Chutkan adds, noting that such speech must "yield to the orderly administration of justice."

We don't think that's how it works judge...
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trumps-dc-judge-evidence-bias)

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He's like my favorite wind up toy.


I'm sure you will think of something Bud ...and start another ultra intriguing, uber intelligent thread about it.

And to get back on topic....
Upcoming Georgia indictment, looks like Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is gonna have a problem
squeezing in her indictment date because looks like Donny has a very busy schedule to wit....

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/what-are-the-legal-cases-against-donald-trump.html

Oh yeah, and don't forget about this one... Not many folks are aware of this scammy ass fraud that grifter Trump orchestrated and now he is getting sued...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5z3g_gjqH

Everyday Trump gets stronger with the people. And its the Deep State that is making him strong by stupid and useless accusations. The only question left is, if the Deep State causes an election steal in 2024 like they did in 2020, will the people do something about it this time?


Trump Coming Back Is Already Spooking Western Elites (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348378-2023-08-11-trump-coming-back-is-already-spooking-western-elites.htm)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-coming-back-already-spooking-western-elites
Should western elites and even NATO itself be afraid of Donald Trump returning to the White House in 2024? It's an entirely valid question given that the elites' own 'news' website in Brussels – Politico – penned a piece recently which argued not only should they be bothered, but they should also prepare themselves for it right now.

Trump's return as U.S. president is looking more and more inevitable by the day, driven by the nefarious meddling of the Biden administration and its determination to put him into jail, where they, erroneously, think his bid for the White House ends.

Even the most obscure French MP which Politico wheeled out to endorse its article accepts this, so what would 2024 look like with Trump back in the Oval Office for Europeans?
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-coming-back-already-spooking-western-elites)

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Yes.  Any country or alliance that values democracy should be concerned about Trump winning the 2024 election.  This is just common sense.

Countries like Russia, North Korea and China, on the other hand, should be concerned about Biden winning the 2024 election.

The thing that Biden shows best is that Democracy is only a more complex form of Group Dictatorship. But this is kinda good, especially if Trump gets back in. Why? Because the American people were getting too lax in life.

Biden stirred things up for Americans. He made them start to think again, even though such wasn't part of his agenda. People are realizing that governments are simply ploys to farm them. And, because of the many average people who have studied the Constitution and what it is all about, the people are beginning to see exactly how much they are benefited by having small government.

Part of the point is, no matter who gets into US government, Federal government will downsize. The States will become the greater authority. So, even a Trump win in 2024, isn't going to do the same as it would have, had he won in 2020. The people will start to bring government home to themselves.

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Keep dreaming your deluded dreams Bud. (or "deranged" to use the term Trump likes to repeat so much. He's projecting)
It looks like even right winger Federalist Society lawyers are seeing the light when it comes to Donald Trumps crimes...



https://youtu.be/V5yptTPa7sg

Talk is easy. But proof is difficult. If proof was easy in Trump's case, he would have gone down long ago.

Want to see the evidence that proof is difficult? Take a look here: 'On The Verge Of The Abyss' - No US Presidential Election In 2024? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463053.0. If you can't see the evidence that proof against Trump is difficult, let me know, and I'll explain it to you.


Corrupt Obama Judge Overseeing Trump Case Caught in Massive Scandal! (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348468-2023-08-13-corrupt-obama-judge-overseeing-trump-case-caught-in-massive-scandal.htm)

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https://patriotclash.com/corrupt-obama-judge-overseeing-trump-case-caught-in-massive-scandal/
Judge Tanya Chutkan was appointed by former President Barack Obama in 2014 to serve as a US District Judge. Prior to her appointment, she had an extensive legal career, including working as an attorney and later becoming a partner at Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP (BSF). Interestingly, during her time at BSF, she overlapped with Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, who also served as an attorney at the firm from 2009 to 2014.

Allegations of Bias in Judge Chutkan's Rulings

Conservatives have expressed concerns about Judge Chutkan's impartiality based on her previous rulings, particularly those related to the January 6th incident at the Capitol. Critics argue that her rulings have shown a severe bias towards individuals arrested for their involvement in the event. This has led to doubts about whether she can provide a fair trial for former President Trump in the ongoing case.
... (https://patriotclash.com/corrupt-obama-judge-overseeing-trump-case-caught-in-massive-scandal/)

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Looks like the inevitable Georgia indictment #4 is dropping this week.
Here is a really interesting breakdown of the election interference/ fake electors investigation and what has been uncovered.
Complete with videos of the server room break in, texts, etc. This is better than Watergate and way more evidence.
No stone was left unturned. Kudos to Fani Willis and her team for exposing this RICO crime.

https://youtu.be/_mkt7bqulMc

Anybody could indict anybody for dropping a gum wrapper in a parking lot. The indictments against Trump might sound way more important than a gum wrapper, but they really aren't. They are politics, designed to keep him out of the Presidency 2024. Election interference, and they know it.

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Is that all you got Bud?
No links to laughable lunacy right wing nut websites?
I swear you stalk me here just to see your name as the last poster on the top threads on this board.
Pathetic.
Your hero and savior is going to jail.
Deal with it.
Maybe pray to your imaginary friend to help him or something.

Oh, don't worry so much. If you study it a solid 2 or 3 hours a day, you'll surely have it figured out by the time the Ukraine war is over.

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The criminal justice system in badeckerville is very different from the real world.

The criminal justice system in America is very different than the one dictated by the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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I wasn't aware that the Constitution and Bill of Rights said election tampering was okay to do.   ::)

Worry??  You think I'm worrying because DT is going to jail?!?  I'm rejoicing that justice is finally being served, two and a half years after I started this thread.
You are projecting, Bud, just like your beloved leader (of the cult you are a  proud and deluded member of) does.

Even if the unlikely happens and he is found guilty somewhere, he'll just pardon himself after 2024. But he'll be taking the deep state down.

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That is another widespread lie. If Trumps is found guilty, it would be just unheard of a convict to hold the presidency of the US, but in theory it is possible. Curiously, the constitution of the US allows it BUT and this is the BUT:


So, sorry to break the news to you, but if he is found guilty (I would say when, not if) or promoting an insurrection - which he did very publicly - he would be disqualified from presidency.

However there are other reasons - donors are unlikely to give money to a convict and many Republicans say in the polls that they would not vote for Trump if found guilty.

The thing that you are missing is that the election will be over before Trump gets convicted... if he is convicted. Right now there are legal battles being prepared against the prosecution for interfering with an election process. These preparations will at least stall the court way longer than the close of the 2024 election.

As you say, this kind of thing hasn't happened before... criminally convicting a sitting President. It might take a new Amendment to for the minority to get Trump out. But the majority might see to it that Trump stays IN through the new Amendment.

Besides, the prosecution might simply be fumbling for something to make Trump look bad. Trump could counter indict and totally destroy the court and its officers for messing with the court rules.


Fulton Flip-Flops On 'Fictitious' RICO Document - Now Claims 'Trial Run' (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348597-2023-08-15-fulton-flip-flops-on-fictitious-rico-document-now-claims-trial.htm)

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-da-about-charge-trump-new-rico-indictment
Now, the Fulton County court clerk's office has issued a new statement, calling it a "sample working document," which was a "mishap," and a "trial run."

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Fulton County court clerk’s office issues statement on the posting of a list of charges against Trump before the grand jury vote, which they yesterday referred to as a “fictitious document”

They describe conducting a “trial run”, stating “the sample working document led to the…

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3macyAWYAABhV6?format=jpg&name=medium (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3macyAWYAABhV6?format=jpg&name=medium)

Which still doesn't explain how it could have been generated and uploaded before the Grand Jury convened to vote on the charges.
... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-da-about-charge-trump-new-rico-indictment)

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He may be able to pardon himself in the federal cases.  If he gets elected, and the supreme Court decides a president can pardon himself.

He won't have the authority to pardon himself in the Georgia case though.

Indictment is drafted before the grand jury votes.

Jury votes.

Indictment is edited if jry votes to convict on some but not all charges.

Jury foreman signs indictment and it's sent to judge.

This Trump situation is honestly one of the most embarrassing moments in American history. If we’re truly going to go down this path where government agencies try to jail candidates that don’t agree with their views then we are no better than 3rd world countries. I’m scared for a future where nobody is safe from corrupt government actions.

Agree. 

But and the worst part isn't  the permanent damage he's done to American intelligence agencies standing among our allies by hording documents and sharing war plans with writers a year after leaving office.

And not because he keeps pretending like he actually won an election he obviously lost and it wasn't even close.

It's not even the fact he keeps spreading ridiculous lies about the election, or attacking innocent election workers that have to go into hiding.

The most embarrassing part is how many Americans are so weak minded that they believe enough of what he says that he's likely going to be the gop nominee.

America looks like it's full of badeckers to the rest of the world.

The fourth and one of the most serious indictments against Donald Trump came. We are truly seeing history being done in front of our eyes.

To be honest, I don't personally think all this indicments are fully driven by political interest, because let us be honest, if someone did just a fraction of what Trump has managed to do, that person would be in jail wiring for trial. While Trump is still allowed to walk and do with campaign activities. He is privileged enough to get that treatment.

Interestingly, the best defense Trump's come up with is that "fact" he did not act with malice and actually thought the election had been stolen from him and he actually thought he had the rights to take all those secret papers home with him.

Part of the point is that Biden and many members of both the House and the Senate are doing far worse than Trump. But if they are receiving indictments for their wrongdoing, few people ever hear about it. It doesn't generally get into this forum.

The point is that the media heads, many government heads, and a bunch of big business heads are out to get Trump. Is it political? Maybe not entirely. But a lot of it is.

On the other side, most of average people like what Trump was doing. Does this mean they are ignorant? We didn't have the inflation we do, and business for the little people was becoming better. Now, with Biden, big inflation, which will probably get worse, and a bunch of other things that are going down hill for Americans in general. Trump would easily turn things around in his next 4 years.

Sounds an awful lot like political to me. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252


Hand-picked breaking news headlines: (https://censored.news/)
Note that the news here changes on a regular basis.

MUST WATCH VIDEO: 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/15/democrats-denied-election-results-more-than-150-times-before-trump-was-indicted-for-challenging-election/
Democrats Denied Election Results 150+ Times Before Trump Was Indicted for Challenging Election

Although a Georgia grand jury indicted former President Donald Trump on Monday for challenging the 2020 election result, Democrats have refused to accept the results of elections they lost for decades.

As Breitbart News reported, more than 150 examples show Democrats denying election results, including President Joe Biden; two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton; House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY); Reps. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX); and failed Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams.

In fact, every single Democrat president since 1977 has questioned the legitimacy of U.S. elections, according to the Republican National Committee. In both 2013 and 2016, Biden claimed that Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. In May 2019, Biden said he “absolutely agrees” that Trump was an “illegitimate president.” Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2022 midterms this year.

In 2006, then-DNC Chairman Howard Dean stated that he was “not confident that the [2004] election in Ohio was fairly decided.” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said it is “appropriate” to have a debate concerning the 2004 election and claimed that there were “legitimate concerns” regarding the “integrity” of U.S. elections. Then-Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) cast doubt on the security of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election, saying he was “worried” that some machines do not have a paper trail.

Democrats also cast doubt on the 2016 election. Seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes. After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with some claiming Trump’s victory was not legitimate.
... (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/15/democrats-denied-election-results-more-than-150-times-before-trump-was-indicted-for-challenging-election/)

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Ok but questioning the outcome of an election is not illegal.  Committing election fraud is.  They literally sent fake documents in pretending to be official electors.  Not provisional electors "just in case", they were strait up fraudulent documents claiming to be the actual electors.  Intimidating election workers to try and pressure them to lie and confess to rigging the election is also illegal.  And so is soliciting elected officials to commit election fraud (especially when you're the president and after asking for some helpful fraud you turn to threatening prosecution).

Again, spreading the false idea that Trump is being judged by his ideas. It is not the case, he is judged because he very likely committed a number of felonies. His defence when he is caught breaking the law or trying to is "this is because of my enemies" - he will never ever take any responsibility.

 - when you are the POTUS you need to behave beyond any doubt of misbehaviours because you have an immense authority and influence. Trump has behaved worse than a Gansta Rap idol.

I would be scared of a place where the POTUS cannot be ever held accountable because of his donors and his sequestration of the Republican Party.


Look, just listen to the recorded call with Georgia's Governor. Trump starts bulliying the governor and saying that he has "lots of evidence" but he does not share any of it. And then simply starts saying to the guy that he is pretty much self-ending his political career if he does not find him "a few votes enough to win him  the election".

THAT is what is scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA)

Agreed. It’s pretty embarrassing that 46% of USA voting population were gullible enough to vote for a
complete moron/grifter, failed businessman for president. The plus side being the majority of voting population did not vote for him
but due to a retarded, antiquated voting system he was elected potus anyway.




Dude, wtf are you on about? Trump is not getting prosecuted because “ government agencies don’t agree with
his views”. Trump is being prosecuted because he broke the law, plain and simple. His views have fuck all to do with it.



Then you should be applauding the fact that a thoroughly corrupt former potus and his toadie cronies are now being held accountable for their crimes of corruption.

Exactly the point. Trump was right. The election was stolen. The thing that they will attempt to do in the trial is to find him guilty of all kinds of things that 'run around' the stolen election, rather than allowing the evidence that shows that the election was stolen.

If Trump's attorneys aren't afraid of getting disbarred for bringing in the evidence, Trump will win, easily.

8)

Glad you finally agree.


We all agree with Jack Smith. Yay.:
https://i.gyazo.com/6e4e566a77577e49413c838194c567c3.png


https://i.snipboard.io/YP382I.jpg

So, if Trump gets the trial moved to Federal Court, things will change drastically in  his favor.


https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2023/08/16/the-trump-team-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-its-sleeve-in-fulton-county-n1719725 (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348673-2023-08-17-trump-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-his-sleeve.htm)

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https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2023/08/16/the-trump-team-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-its-sleeve-in-fulton-county-n1719725#google_vignette
Willis and Fulton County Sheriff Pat Labat have relished their chance to get their man. Labat told reporters that the county would "have mugshots ready" for Trump and presumably the other 18 defendants in the indictment. There's no doubt that Willis and Labat are milking this indictment for all its worth.

But the Trump team may have an ace up its sleeve. Clark Cunningham, a law professor at Georgia State University, told WSB Radio that Trump could have the case moved from state court to federal court. Cunningham also believes that Trump's attorneys are likely to do just that.

"One hundred percent," Cunningham said. "That's the first thing he's going to do."

Trump has the prerogative to move the case from state court to federal court because he's a former president.

"As a former president, because the acts for which he would be prosecuted took place while he was still president, federal law would allow him to ask for his trial to be moved to federal court, called removal," Cunningham told WSB.
... (https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2023/08/16/the-trump-team-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-its-sleeve-in-fulton-county-n1719725#google_vignette)

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Yes.  And there's a reasonable argument involving laws prohibiting states from arresting federal officials that might get the charges dropped completely if it moves to federal court.

Of course there are plenty of reasonable arguments that the case should remain a State case as well.

There are also reasonable arguments that the President doesn't have the power to pardon himself.


Imagine how embarrassing it would be if they made him wash all his makeup off for the mug shot.




Oh and I just realized, I only posted the things he did that weren't illegal.  Here's the next section (these are from Trumps federal indictment.  Not the espionage act violations one, the one about trying to steal the presidency after losing the election) :

https://i.gyazo.com/92000152718226e6560b8a1681253a4c.png

^^^ Now these kinds of things are exactly the kinds of things Trump has been accusing the Dems, Biden and his team, and various States of doing... and a whole lot more.

People don't indict people for nothing. But the indictment doesn't prove anything, because some people indict because of their own leverage rather than the other's wrongdoing.

So, the whole indictment thing against Trump is totally foolishness IF he is smart enough to recognize his rights, and apply them properly.

The Deep State better win, because if it doesn't win against Trump, Trump will use their fighting as part of his machinery to destroy them.


Trump to disprove “WITCH HUNT” GA indictments with irrefutable election fraud report (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-17-trump-to-disprove-indictments-with-irrefutable-report.html)

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-17-trump-to-disprove-indictments-with-irrefutable-report.html
Former President Donald Trump, who has been recently indicted by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis on a range of criminal charges relating to his attempts to "alter Georgia's 2020 election results," is set to fight back to prove the "witch hunt" of a decision is "politically motivated" and "wrong."

The top Republican presidential candidate announced that he will be defending his stance that the 2020 election was rigged in a press conference to be held on Monday, Aug. 21, in response to a decision that indicted him and 18 others on "racketeering charges." According to a post on his social media platform Truth Social, he is going to present a large, complex, detailed but irrefutable report on the presidential election fraud which took place in Georgia.

"[It] will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey," the former president said, further adding, "Based on the results of this conclusive report, all charges should be dropped against me & others – There will be a complete EXONERATION! They never went after those that rigged the election. They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!" (Related: 'Detailed but irrefutable': Trump to present report on 2020 election fraud in Georgia next week.)

He also posted on the platform his lamentations that the two-year investigation was a "WITCH HUNT!" Legal experts and practitioners agree with Trump on this.

Constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes commented that this indictment is the most insane yet by the looniest prosecutor, citing how claims on tweets are conspiracies, legal advice is a crime, Constitutional law is a criminal act, and demanding officials do their job is criminal solicitation. "It is an embarrassment to the state of Georgia," Barnes lamented.
... (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-17-trump-to-disprove-indictments-with-irrefutable-report.html)

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https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/20/M6wuZ.png

Well looks like Trump is finally following the advice of his lawyers... as if that's gonna alleviate the world of shit he is in.

https://youtu.be/9n19WDyQhKc

BAHAHAHA!!!

The point of this? Trump is arming his supporters with a method for them to keep from supporting his enemies by accident. This should help his people rally around him, so that he will be able to draw on their support for whatever he needs, even in the indictments.


President Trump Monkey Flips Worthless and Vindictive GOPe with His New Policy - And It’s Glorious (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/348862-2023-08-20-president-trump-monkey-flips-worthless-and-vindictive-gope-with-his.htm)

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/president-trump-monkey-flips-worthless-vindictive-gope-his/
Conservative Treehouse reported:

The RNC has been covertly hostile, but you will now see them become openly hostile. President Trump knows this, and his next move is brilliant. President Trump has created an "official seal of approval" which must accompany any campaign endorsement, donor request or ancillary aspect implying Trump support. This is directly done to counteract the ability of the RNC to exploit Trump's affiliation and essentially hostage status.

In essence, the RNC cannot exploit the MAGA brand for RNC/MAGA endorsement, and or use the donor data files, without the Trump "seal of approval." The data becomes worthless, because without the Trump seal any request is ignored. Additionally, without the seal any RNC candidate is ignored. This creates leverage. This is how the insurgency forces the compliance of the GOPe. At least that appears to be the goal from Donald Trump.

If the RNC, or any vendor or candidate they have sold the files to, including any candidate who runs but does not align with Trump, attempts to exploit the files without the Trump seal of approval, the fracture between Trump and the RNC becomes openly visible.
... (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/president-trump-monkey-flips-worthless-vindictive-gope-his/)

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It's far more likely the bloated grifter is looking for low effort ways to line his pockets.  He's probably going to charge people in order to utilise his "seal of approval" and remain part of his sad little cult.  He knows his time is running out, so he has to milk you gullible schmucks for every penny while he still can.  Enjoy your fanboyism while it lasts.

Why are so many of you against the American dream? Isn't lining our pockets on the minds of many of us? So, you pick on Trump because he is wealthy, because he got down to business and did the American dream and made money.

The American dream isn't about stealing money from others. Rather, it's about using ingenuity to make money and grow your personal empire... if you can... and helping others as Trump has been doing - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

So, Trump uses the American dream in good and right ways, but you want to make money by stealing it from him... and from all of us who are in business. Is it that you are too dumb to figure how to make money in business?, that you have to pick on Trump because he made money, and hope to get a little money off of picking on him? That's called stealing.

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No one is against the American dream, Bud. Where did you get that idea?


Not the way grifter Trump does it, to wit, inheriting a huge family fortune and runs multi-million$ scams.
Lining our pockets? You sound just like your grifter, cult leader hero. Your imaginary friend should smite you.
Thou shalt not be a greedy, criminal, capitalist, grifting pig.


Every business Trump had anything to do with has gone bankrupt or is a complete scam. Do a little real research Bud, ffs.
We pick on Trump because he is a criminal.


Well that's what your cult leader hero has done for the past 30 years. The art of the Deal? What a complete fucking farce.
The only thing that idiot is good at is draining money from his ignorant cult followers and
being the star of a retarded reality show and saying "you're fired!, sexually assaulting women, and manipulating, brainwashed, worshippers such as yourself. Pathetic.


You are trolling now aren't you?  Nothing new.

So what happens now that even the attorneys need their own attorneys for their trials?

Fun fact, trumps father gave him almost half a billion dollars, beginning when he was 3 years old.

He lost almost all of it in the 80s and 90s in bad business deals until he finally found a way to make money doing something he was good at with celebrity apprentice - pretending to be a successful business man.

Turns out being very good at being full of shit transfers well to American politics, especially if your target audience is the most ignorant, uneducated demographic.  They'll believe anything as long as it's something they want to be true. (Just look at the kraken thread)

M A G A

Make
Attorneys
Get
Attorneys

For real, specifically the situation of Rudy Giuliani is quite something which should be studied in law schools in the future, so other lawyers wont get to make the same mistakes, how someone with a relatively solid reputation and once was the mayor of NYC ended up featuring pillow advertisement, commiting defamation and possibly encouraging to overturn an election is kind of sad.

Some days ago I recall watching a video of him accepting defeat when he tried to be reelected as the mayor of the city of New York and his speech on how democracy is important and how it is supposed to be the mechanism for people to govern themselves. Does not sound like the same person anymore.

Trolling, no. Just repeating the obvious.



That's exactly the point. Nobody, not even attorneys, need attorneys. Here's what you do when you hire and become a client of an attorney (in the US). Read it well. It isn't long, and it is taken right out of US law - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

What it boils down to is that when you hire attorneys to represent you, you turn over your case to the attorneys and the judge to fight it out among themselves. You have no more say, except that they let you speak, or (possibly) if you fire your attorneys. And they can nullify anything you say, later.

There is no law in the US requiring you to have an attorney in court. If you hire attorneys as co-counsel in the way that they DON'T represent you (you are not their client), and where you don't represent yourself because you are present, and where you do all your own talking (from their advice to you), the whole court situation changes.

You would think that these attorneys would know this. Of course, if they did it this way, they would probably be disbarred by the judge. But they could far more easily win against the accusations. So, it's all about what they value more... their job as attorneys, or their potential for being found innocent.

8)

 Judge Cannon is getting schooled in how grand juries work. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8t0wH1oUa8)
Also as soon as the indicted co-conspirator gets a real lawyer, and not one paid for by Trump with conflict of interest issues, they come to their senses, recant their story, cooperate and tell the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8t0wH1oUa8

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And the star of the show should be arriving/added shortly...

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/24/Myn92.png

The Brady Sedition Bunch   (credit... Meidas Touch Network)

Judge Cannon is getting schooled in how grand juries get paid off by the likes of Soros.

8)

Jesus Christ Bud. Is this all you do? Wait for me to post so you can reply with your lunacy 5 minutes later?
Get a life ffs.

Yeah, Trump can't claim he's being singled out and persecuted if they're bringing down all of his co-conspirators as well.  Sounds like there's more mugshots to come from yet more underlings.  His entire racketeering network will crumble and justice will be done.

This isn't a "witch hunt", as he so often claims.  The justice system is simply fulfilling its remit to uphold the law and hold to account those who break it.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/25/MjGtJ.png

Oh my, doesn't he look cute?

LMAO

Trump posting his mugshot as his first post on twitter (X) in years is absolutely genius. He only has about 650K likes after 4 hours. While it won’t be the most liked twitter post, it’s going to end up being up there. This is an absolute mockery of the justice system. If this doesn’t wake people up we’re doomed.

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1694886846050771321

Do you think any former president that just lost re-election should be able to try and overturn the election by lying to government officials, intimidating election workers, asking government officials to commit election fraud by "finding him" more votes, or organizing an election fraud scheme to submit fake electoral vote documents through the official government channels?

And then there's the documents....and the shell company to avoid

Or do you just really hate democrats/love Trump so you're going to just right wing outrage lines like "absolute mockery of the justice system" without ever reading any of the actual indictments.  

I understand your ignorance. Since you liked Biden so much, there was no reason to get into the details of how is team and his handlers stole the election for him. Completely understandable.

Perhaps you are a big fish in some little pond somewhere. But, the country is pretty big. Maybe it will be your grandchildren who become Chinese slaves, with chop sticks run into their ears so they can't hear the propaganda about how bad they are being harmed by their government.

Of course, if Biden continues, and somebody follows who is like him, it might happen a lot sooner... like directly to you... and all of us.

8)

Liberals are so brainwashed they can only push their agenda by any means. The fact is that I think Trump as a person is a total douchebag. I wouldn’t want to meet him or have anything to do with him. However, his policies are sound and exactly what America needs. I don’t love Trump and hate Democrats, I love America and hate anyone who wants to destroy it with lies like there are more than 2 genders, or fostering mental illness in children by telling them they’re in the wrong bodies, or continuing to support a proxy war against Russia, or want SpaceX to hire illegal immigrants, or want to lock down our country over a fake virus, or want to raise taxes for an imaginary climate change grift, or want to spend our way into losing reserve currency status, or want to let illegals into our country without going through the proper channels, etc.

I don’t hate liberals, I hate stupidity. Although I can see how the two can be confused.

I kinda agree with you about Trump. The difference is that I think Trump is truly a Christian, even though his Christianity is weak like most of us. Biden? The ruling Dems?

If Trump's policies were right, he would have in mind to shut down the Federal Reserve Bank. The pilfering of money that they do off every loan that they make - to people, companies, or the government - is the reason why their owners have enough money to make trouble for everybody all over the world.

I don't know if Trump understands this - and, of course no president is a king - but I don't see him talking about this. It's the underlying core of all the problems in America, and maybe most of the world.

8)

Indeed, it looks like they are finally draining the swamp. I am guessing that Trump supporters didn't realize what it would look like. All we need now is Trump to break the rules for the conditions of release. It shouldn't take long as he has famously done a bad job on censoring himself.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/08/26/MctP2.png

This whole trip has been so surreal that i need to go very far in history to find anything matching to this craziness.

I think he overdid it with that angry face.
If I was in his position I would have tried to go with a more solemn or try to give a sense of confidence in front of the camera.

He could have even tried to smirk. I do not think he is yet aware on how important that picture is for the history of the United States of America. Whether one is with or against Trump, we cannot deny that picture is going to be everywhere soon and will end up in history books sooner than later...

Unfortunately to him, he managed to look like a spoiled person who did not get what he wanted, with that facial expression.

Trump is selling T-shirts with that picture on them. Lol.     8)

Yeah, so do I bro, and yet your post....

...is chock full of it.  Small wonder. Coming from someone who thinks "Trump is a total douchebag" (we agree on that) and yet supports his policies?
What fucking policies? The only thing that idiot ever talks about is debunked stolen election nonsense. He wont let it go. When was the last time you heard him talk about actual REAL policies?
He doesn't have the brain cells to do that. He can't even fucking spell.
You may not agree with democrats, but at least they talk about things that your average American cares about, you know like
health care, infrastructure, social security, employment, abortion issues, assault weapons.
Instead of the retarded hate speech, conspiracy theory nonsense rethugs talk about, because they just want power...voter suppression, let's defund the FBI, to name a couple.....
The republican party has sadly devolved into a rightwingnut extremist party preaching rubbish to the uneducated who don't even realize they are voting against they're own interests.
And criminal candidates like Trump, and brainwashed deluded followers like BADecker are the result.

Most problems started when Trump lost the 2020 election and made a fool of himself, not only in front of liberals but by that point even conservatives.

Let's see if the RNC produces a different candidate.

You do realise that policies can exist without narcissistic felons in leadership roles, right?



More proof as if any were needed that bigoted asshats flock to Drumpf because they believe it legitimizes their intolerance and reinforces their belief that "freedom" supposedly only applies to cis, straight people.   ::)

You act as though anyone who doesn't fit to your preconceptions of "normal" is some sort of freak of nature, yet bigots like you and BADecker are the ones who are sub-human monsters.

So you don't think any former president that just lost re-election should be able to try and overturn the election by lying to government officials, intimidating election workers, asking government officials to commit election fraud by "finding him" more votes, or organizing an election fraud scheme to submit fake electoral vote documents through the official government channels.

But Trump should be able to do those things.  Because you like his policies.

It's ironic how I keep hearing complaints about the charges being political and yet the only reason you're defending him has nothing to do with the facts and everything to do with politics.

Basic critical thinking: ask yourself "If a democrat did the things Trump is charged with doing, would I be against criminal charges being filed?"

I see the whole idea about Trump conviction as political. Trump made the necessary decision he deemed fit just as Joe Biden is doing right now.

Standard Dem talk. You talk like he is guilty when the court hasn't even convened. Of course, the court of public opinion is way far against you.

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Well I suppose if you live in the court of nutcase, nonsense rightwingnut websites and ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as you do, yes, the public opinion generated in that retarded reality bubble is against
what normal rational folks think.

So, what do the polls that you are looking at actually say?

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Of course, I would also give him my like ... to a mug-shot indeed, and even more if it were a biometric Id as convict - it will come hopefully. It is the type of image that everyone is going to like.

On to more serious matters, people have a very low opinion on those officers taking mug-shots of criminals, mostly based on movies in which the dude is a fat pencil-pusher who seems utterly bored of life and has been demoted to the lowest office job.

But this has to change, the person who took this mug-shot is no doubt a master photographer that has captured the true essence of the subject: A grumpy old psycho with no taste for hairdressing, but with the look of a 14 year old that has just been told by mum that he cannot hang out with his friends near the scrapyard until he finishes his math homework.


The latest poll on the great jury? came as: Yes, the guy goes to trial. That one?

Oh and when did you decide that we shouldn't have an onion on whether or not someone is guilty if a court hasn't convened anymore?

The video is gone.

I suppose we all make the mistake of treating our onion as fact once in a while. Ask yourself the same question.

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Now that Hillary is in the picture, let's please do a reality check:
 
Reality check
How many of the people still keeping this thread going are aware that prior to 2016 the Trump's and Clinton's were long-time friends? There is a famous picture of the smiling Clinton's standing with the Trump's at their wedding. Maybe they can help testify as a character witness at Donald's trial.   ;)

For trump it was a friendly competition. Friends arm wrestle at times, they compete in golf and chess.

If Trump and the Clintons are not friends any longer, it would be because Trump finally recognized the downright criminal activity the Clintons are involved in, and even promoting. It might be okay if it simply involved their own companies. But it involves using public media to subvert the people of the nation... and a whole lot more.

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Talk like who is guilty? You mean inmate number P01135809?. Yeah that doesn't sound right :D. Nothing to see here.
It takes some military grade mental acrobatics to live in denial at this point. One would think that someone who is ranting about weird tunnel conspiracy theories would be happy that at least one of the Jeffrey Epstein's clients (inmate P01135809) is getting jail time.  Not that i believe a second that you would really believe what you are writing.

I would be very surprised if some of his co-conspirators would not witness against him to avoid life in jail.

Inmate P01135809 is actually something i am calling that unhiged cheeto from now on.

Don't forget about

Trump Organization:
Tried and convicted of felony tax fraud in criminal court.

Trump University:
Scam disguised as a university, paid $25 million after being sued for fraud.

The Donald J Trump Foundation:
His "charity" that was basically used to launder money and evade taxes.  It was shut down and the Trump family is banned in NY State from operating or being on the board of any charity for:

   - Solicitation of donations without a license
   - Mishandling of funds raised for veterans' causes
   - Coordinating foundation grants with Trump's presidential campaign
   - Failure to make pledged 9/11 grants
   - Using Trump Foundation money to settle Trump Organization legal disputes
   - Making political donations with foundation funds
   - Purchasing goods and services for personal or business benefit with foundation money (mostly paintings of himself lol)
   - Diversion of taxable income to the foundation as donations
   - Trump taking personal credit for donations made using foundation money

Should I keep going? 

One of the things Trump has against himself in the Georgia case is the amount of people who seem to be involved, the more co-conspirators there are in a crime, the more likely someone will flip and throw.the rest under the bus. If Trump was not running for the presidency and did not have much of a problem to admit wrongdoing, I am almost sure we would quickly throw all of them under the bus in exchange of a deal with State authorities, however that is not an option for him, so I assume he his crossing his fingers noone will take a deal before becoming president again. People break rather quick when under enough pressure, though, specially when being found guilty of such crimes would likely mean to spend the rest of ones natural life behind bars...

Don't forget, there are 30 unindicted co-conspirators.  And there's a reason they are unindicted...  Also, many of the indicted co-conspirators likely already flipped in some ways, like Rudy for example.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/16/30-unindicted-co-conspirators-georgia-investigation-explainer

When court documents make reference to unindicted co-conspirators the first thing which comes to mind is prosecutors not having enough evidence to convince a grand jury or to pursue charges in general. It had not crossed my mind that someone could have stepped forward without the others indicted being aware of it.

Though, now you mention it as a possibility it kind of makes sense there was someone smart enough to anticipate what it was going to happen.

By the way, I still don't have idea why it took around three years for those charges to be formally brought up on the table.

^^^ The second thing that comes to mind is a grand jury that is made up of people who have the same mindset, and base their judgment on that mindset rather than clear evidence of harm to people or damage to property.

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This portraits perfectly what is the modus operandi of Trump supporters. Nothing is about facts, nothing is about the law, about evidence, about proving assertions or matching reality with what is being said. It is all about "a mindset". Even when a great jury is called, if the result is not to their liking is just because they are wrong - no need to prove anything.

Hard facts are just something that can be ignored, it does not matter that Trump has never climbed let's say, Mount Everest, with the right "mindset", all Trump supporters will swear that he has and anyone doubting is because "partisanship".

Trump supporters have the facts. Herre they are, again, for you to read... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252. Even if you don't like a few of these facts, there are many you will like. And none of them are illegal.

In America, standard law is "innocent until proven guilty." The law even says that an agreement CANNOT be made by the defendant to state that he is guilty when he is not. So, there you are with the hard facts. They are hard for you, because you can't get around them.

If you have solid proof that Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, take him to court on it. If you don't, it's just another bunch of hearsay like they are throwing at him in these sham trials.

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Some more facts:

Trump lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden.

Trump University was a scam.

The Trump Foundation was shut down over fraud.

Trump Organization was convicted on felony criminal fraud charges by a jury.

Trump was held liable for sexual assault by a jury.

Trump was impeached twice.

Trumps personal attorney during 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trumps national security advisor is a convicted felon.

The chair of Trumps 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trump has been indicted on almost 100 felony charges by four different grand jurys.

In 2016 Trump campaigned on locking his political opponent up. His supporters loved it.


So, there you are with the hard facts.

I do not see anything in that post that would prove that he is not a criminal. If you want to talk politics, do so in a thread about politics, this thread is about a suspected criminal activity. Example: I save three people from dying in a fire (not that Trump has done any of it) and next day I steal car and drive drunk. I can be prosecuted for car theft and dui.

More clear? I can be a great film producer and director or a very popular singer, but if I sleep with children I can and should go to jail.

If you want to talk politics, I suggest you do so by topic so that it can actually be discussed, not by listing unconnected things. Some of the statements are not accomplishments but statistics of an economic lifecycle, some others are the results of Obama's policies and work, some others like "legalising hemp" are of dubious value anyway, but as said, listing does not allow a honest discussion, which of course is what you seek.

Besides the fact that not all of your list, above, is accurate or accurately said, everybody has skeletons in their closet. Biden's are way worse.

So, you prove that this is an election thing by picking on Trump without giving adequate bigger time to Biden.


And for you personally, this proves that you are anti-American, because you fight against the idea of Make America Great Again.


REPORT: Smoking Gun 'Evidence of Joe Biden's Corruption' Will Be Released in Coming Week (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/349484-2023-08-30-report-smoking-gun-evidence-of-joe-bidens-corruption-will-be.htm)

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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/08/29/report-smoking-gun-evidence-of-joe-bidens-corruption-will-be-released-in-coming-weeks-n1722959
According to Kelly, the contents of the recording are so incriminating that they could potentially lead President Biden to withdraw from the 2024 race.

"There is an audio tape — I am told by people in the know, not necessarily in government, not necessarily out of government — I can't say too much. But there is incontrovertible evidence of Joe Biden's corruption that is about to be made public," Kelly claimed.

Don't get too excited yet. There's a catch.

"It's not going to happen tomorrow, it's not going to happen before Labor Day, but it will happen sometime between Labor Day and Halloween," he said. "This tape will be made public — I'm not sure by what entity at this point — but once it is heard, Joe Biden will have… well… he'll have only two options. Number one: he will not be able to remain a candidate for the presidency for reelection. It will be over and done with; the only thing that he might be able to do potentially, but probably not, is remain as president."

Kelly claims his sources tell him that this tape is so incriminating that "they're worried about it right now at the White House."

"They know about it," Kelly insists. "They know what's out there. There may be more than one and it makes a lot of sense."
... (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/08/29/report-smoking-gun-evidence-of-joe-bidens-corruption-will-be-released-in-coming-weeks-n1722959)

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Way worse, like mine are bad but his are even worse? Like Trump is guilty of trying a coup-d'etat, threating officials, stealing, evading, but Biden has other stuff that is worse?

Anti-American because does not support your ideas. so there is only one America (US not really America), there is only one way of making it great and it is only MY way so all the rest are just not American enough? Can you not see anything wrong in any of this?

The only way you can know this is if you were right there with Trump when he was doing what he was doing. In other words, you are spreading hearsay and rumors. There has been no verdict in court.

Sure there are a bunch of people who are like you... trying to pick on what looks like bad things that Trump might have done. But there are millions in the polls who would vote for Trump because they can see the good things he does.

What is MAGA? MAGA IS Make America Great Again. MAGA is one of the things Trump did half of this in his first term. Biden not only tore down the MAGA Trump did, but he made it far, far worse.

You are in another country, right? You are not an American, right? No wonder you are talking like you do. You just happen to be an enemy of the US... as are some of the other people in this forum who are against Trump.

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Nice.. nice... an answer by the manual...


1- You said , which implicitly means Trump did bad stuff - so you are giving credit to all that "hearsay" yourself. See? That is the problem of defending by saying "the other guy is worse" - it means that you are no good yourself.

2. MAGA is a slogan for simple minds. There is not philosophy behind... it is whatever Trump says, even if when it contradicts something he said before.

3. Again, is not about weighting what "he did good" vs "the crimes he committed". Justice is an independent power in a democracy, so the fact that Trump is "liked" is irrelevant to him getting behind bars if (I would say when) proven guilty. It does not work by balancing, it works by owning your acts and playing within the legal rules.

4. You are very confused about what an US president can and cannot do. The "presidential pardon" does not work in a number of cases he is being judged for and if guilty of trying to subvert the system he would not even be able to run for president. You need to read the US constitution and listen to some legal experts on this matter.

On regards to your comment of "if you are not from the US then you are an enemy of America" is the same as what you say: if you do not think like I do you are an enemy. (again, I guess you mean the US, America is a continent - or two in some books). Is always the same... the words of a wannabe dictator.

Trumps biggest wrong when president, was not recognizing how crooked the Deep State really was. If he had recognized it, he would have been able to take measures to stop them from stealing the vote and the presidency.


It is as I said before. Somebody from another country may not want America to be great. Russia probably doesn't like the idea of America being great. But common, law abiding, God-fearing Americans certainly do, simply because America is their country.

Don't you have any patriotism for your country? Or don't you have a country, so you are simply angry with everyone?


Many people are speculating on what the courts will decide. Nobody condemns you for having your non-American opinion.

However, you don't know about the American government. The Democracy part is the second part. The higher part is the Republic, that doesn't work like a Democracy. Personally, I don't think Trump knows how to use it. But maybe he does. I'll show it to you right now.

If in any charge, Trump requires anybody to get on the stand and show the injury Trump did to him, there isn't anybody. Trump harmed nobody. No case.


No, it is you who don't know US law.

The indictments are about something that Trump supposedly did while still in office. Now that he is out of office, and way past the statute of limitations, Trump should be tried in a court in his home state.

It's kinda like if somebody in the US wanted to indict you. He would have to go to your country, and operate through your country's legal channels. The indictments in Georgia are a sham. There isn't anything legal about them.



That is kinda true. People from different countries often don't think alike. So, since you stated the obvious, and then you tried to use semantics on the word 'America', you are showing us all that you are simply a foreigner trying to play games with people in a country not your own.

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The fact that you consider that your opinion is the only valid "American" (meaning US, which is not America) does not make it so. The fact that you try to hide Trump's very likely criminal acts behind a very poorly constructed attack on me or who I am, or what I represent means that you are not better than a Taliban. You lack culture, reasoning and are the perfect example of why the US is in danger.

You do not even understand the concepts behind the US constitution and what it really means the US democracy - created by illustrious men whose main achievement was precisely to consider different viewpoints, creating guarantees of freedom for all and a system that can be protected from self-proclaimed leaders that think the they simply can be above the law of the country.

Because that is all the problem here - Trump and his court of singers thinking that he can be above the law. The time to prove it wrong has arrived no matter how much you insult and spread shit to cover up.

I really don't like being a copycat, but a lot of what I am doing is just copying you... in the opposite direction, of course.

Part of the difference is that I have a lot of website evidence, and other. If you could find some for your opinions, you might have some evidence.

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That's for the court to determine.  I get the sense that the prosecution knows what they're doing.  I'd also take it as a given that they know more about the law than you do.  It's unlikely they'd waste their time building these cases if they thought it would fall at the first hurdle.  You're merely clutching at straws because you aren't prepared to accept the consequences of your Bigot-Messiah's actions.

 You are much worse than a copycat - do not even try to compare yourself to me (or, for that matter, anyone here with a minimal critical thinking ... or someone without brain damage in general).

Let's see what this proud American BA is linking:

naturalnews.com, part of "Consumer Wellness Center", part of "Terra Christa Communications":

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_hi/14405F2 (https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_hi/14405F2)

Yep... looks like this defender of America links like 50% of the time to a foreign owned website - non-profit for education, religion and similar purposes.

Now on to Trump:

Even after Fox had to admit and pay for lying about the elections, even after several judges dismissed the wild claims of fraud, even after people actually Republicans endorsed by Trump said there is no fraud, you keep spreading disinformation in the purest Kremlin style.

FRAUD CLAIMS ARE LIES

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud (https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupert-murdoch-2020-election-fraud)



https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/13/trumps-election-fraud-claims-were-false-here-are-his-advisers-who-said-so-00039346 (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/13/trumps-election-fraud-claims-were-false-here-are-his-advisers-who-said-so-00039346)




But you have as many as you want:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-false-claims-debunked-2020-election-jan-6-riot-2022-01-06/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-false-claims-debunked-2020-election-jan-6-riot-2022-01-06/)

Jokingly, if so many people were actually involved in electoral fraud, it would probably not be necessary, they would be already a majority.


TRUMPS CONVERSATION TRANSCRIPT:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html)



He has a "better link".


If I am not right is because someone else is incompetent.



And once it is clear that none of Trump's allegations are going to ever fly in a court (as they did not) we go into bully territory:


In the context of a conversation about vote counting, Trump starts speaking about being elected again, ending political careers and endorsing candidates. And then:



So easy... you just say "we were wrong", Trump is president, you get endorsed and re-elected and that's it. This is the real danger that "America" faces.


And you get re-elected... simple uh? You just have to ignore the law, just like Trump does.


Now BA, go giving "link proofs" as you call your clickbaits - I am sure you are making lots of traffic to your sites using this forum.