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Academy released today list of 2021 Oscar nominees in 24 categories so I thought its time to start this thread, mention all the nominees and their odds. The odds have been taken from nicerodds (https://www.nicerodds.co.uk/). Some categories that don't have odds available yet will be updated later.

Official website: https://www.oscars.org

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Best Picture
Nomadland 1.40
The Trial of The Chicago 7 6
Minari 13
Promising Young Woman 16
Judas And The Black Messih 26
Mank 26
Sound of Metal 101
The Father 101

Best Actress
Carey Mulligan (Promising Young Woman) 1.61
Andra Day (The United States Vs. Billie Holiday) 5
Frances Mcdormand (Nomadland) 5.5
Vanessa Kirby (Pieces Of A Woman) 11
Viola-Davis (Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom) 13

Best Actor
Chadwick Boseman (Ma Raineys Black Bottom) 1.08
Anthony Hopkins (The Father) 9
Riz Ahmed (Sound Of Metal) 17
Gary Oldman (Mank) 26
Steven Yeun (Minari) 34

Best Director
Chloe Zhao (Nomadland) 1.1
David Fincher (Mank) 9
Lee Isaac Chung (Minari) 11
Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman) 26
Thomas Vinterberg (Another Round) 34

Best Supporting Actor
Daniel Kaluuya (Judas And The Black Messiah) 1.22
Sacha Baron Cohen (The Trial Of The Chicago 7) 5
Leslie Odom Jr. (One Night In Miami) 13
Paul Raci (Sound Of Metal) 23
Lakeith Stanfield (Judas And The Black Messiah)

Best Supporting Actress
Maria Bakalova (Borat Subsequent Moviefilm) 2.62
Youn Yuh-Jung (Minari) 3
Glenn Close (Hillbilly Elegy) 5
Olivia Colman (The Father) 10
Amanda Seyfried (Mank) 11

Best Adapted Screenplay
Nomadland 1.2
The Father 6
One Night In Miami 9
Borat Subsequent Moviefilm 26
The White Tiger 26

Best Animated Feature
Soul 1.18
Wolfwalkers 5
Onward 13
Over The Moon 26
A Shaun The Sheep Movie: Farmageddon 34

Best Cinematography
Nomadland 1.5
Mank 2.87
News Of The World 13
Judas And The Black Messiah 17
The Trial Of The Chicago 7 21

Best Costume Design
Emma 2.2
Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 2.2
Mank 4.33
Pinocchio 26
Mulan 34

Best Documentary Feature
Time 1.61
Collective 3.25
Crip-Camp 7.5
My-Octopus-Teacher 9
The-Mole-Agent 23

Best International Feature Film
Another-Round 1.25
Quo-Vadis-Aida 5
Collective 9
Better-Days 17
The-Man-Who-Sold-His-Skin 26

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 1.4
Hillbilly Elegy 6
Emma 7
Mank 7
Pinocchio 17

Best Original Screenplay
The Trial Of The Chicago 7 1.57
Promising Young Woman 2.62
Minari 17
Sound Of Metal 26
Judas And The Black Messiah

Best original score
Soul 1.2
Mank 6
Minari 12
News Of The World 23
Da 5 Bloods 26

Best production design
Mank 1.2
Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom 6.5
Tenet 11
News of the World 18
The Father 21

Best sound
Sound of Metal 1.16
Soul 9
Mank 9
News Of The World 19
Greyhound 21


Best Visual Effects
Tenet 1.25
The Midnight Sky 4.33
Mulan 17
Love And Monsters 26
The One And Only Ivan 29

Best animated short film
If Anything Happens I Love You 1.53
Opera 5
Burrow 7.5
Genius Loci 8
Yes-People 21

Best documentary short
A Love Song for Latasha 1.4
A Concerto Is A Conversation 6.5
Colette 10
Hunger Ward 11
Do Not Split 15

Best film editing
The Trial of the Chicago 7 2.25
Sound Of Metal 2.75
Nomadland 6
The Father 21
Promising Young Woman 29

Best live-action short film
The Letter Room 1.4
Two Distant Strangers 3.5
Feeling Through 15
The Present 17
White Eye 34

Best original score
Soul 1.2
Mank 6
Minari 12
News Of The World 23
Da 5 Bloods 26

Best original song
Speak Now, One Night in Miami 1.6
Io Si (The Life Ahead) 3.25Husavik
(Eurovision Song Contest: Song Of Ice And Fire) 8
Fight For You (Judas And The Black Messiah) 21
Hear My Voice (The Trial Of The Chicago 7) 34

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So, who are your personal favorites, who do you think it will win and on who are you  going to bet? Discuss!

Thank you for this thread but if you're asking people favorites you shouldn't put odds here because people will be influenced by that. And you won't get reliable opinions.
The biggest favorites are of course Chadwick Boseman, Chloe Zhao and Nomadland.
For the best actress, Carey Mulligan was already the favorite at the Golden Globes but finally Andra Day won it so I think 5.0 for Andra Day is too high, she is a serious contender actually.

Thanks for making this thread, gives me a good list to go through and review.   Of course without knowing all the films content I cant quite judge yet but I'd be biased towards any established actor whose been nominated a few times like Anthony Hopkins (The Father) Gary Oldman and Carey Mulligan Glenn Close (Hillbilly Elegy) Olivia Colman are familiar to me so first I think I will make sure to tick off the list first and consider all eventually.   The hardest to call is the new comer or slightly unknown but I think people accumulate support and respect across years that helps their odds with an actual win.    Theres a certain type of story that the Oscars seems to go for especially in its appeal, almost political but not that, more within the theatrical realm they favour the gushy type films with big production.

Only 1.08 odds for Chadwick Boseman? This could be a sure bet but I wouldn't play for such low odds.
From the odds I can say Nomadland must be a really good movie. I should watch it as soon as possible. We know odds don't give us winners but we also know Oscars are fixed to hell, just like Grammy's etc. 1.40 against 6, the lowest odd, it seems that other's winning chances are almost impossible.

yes, there's no need to put the odds beside their name. i think, better add the sites (crypto bookies preferably, but hard to find) which are including this oscars betting. that will be helpful to gamblers here.

for fiat bookies, you can check these sites -  1  (https://www.legitgamblingsites.com/online-betting/oscars/) or  2  (https://www.gamblingsites.com/entertainment-betting/oscars/) or  3  (https://www.legalbettingonline.com/entertainment/oscars/)

the last site, it listed https://www.bovada.lv/ - and it says bitcoin and bitcoin cash accepted

To be honest, I expect people will check the odds anyway, so why not share them immediately? But I would also like to hear who would people like to win an Oscar, and not just who they think will win the Oscar.


I haven't seen Ma Rainey's Black Bottom yet so I don't know how good Chadwick Boseman was, but from the movies I saw  would like of Riz Ahmed scoops the award. First half an hour into movie I was sure he gets a nomination. I didn't have an opportunity  to watch The Father yet, I expect  a lot from that one. Regarding Nomadland, I saw it  and I agree that it is a good film but definitely not everyone's cup of tea as it is slow paced. I am surprised that The Trial of The Chicago 7 is has the 2nd lowest odds as it nothing special tbh, an average movie. At least for me.



Yeah I agree, 1.08 is simply too low for an Oscar and it is a bad bet. If you don't mind slow paced movies, chances are that you will like Nomadland, but generally I think that this is one of the weaker years when it comes to Best Picture award.

You telling me you really watched those movies?  :D

I think Hollywood is in trouble and they are making boring movies with bunch of rinse and repeat remake stories, but I did try to watch two movies from those Oscar nominees.
Started watching Tenet but never finished it, and I watched News of the World with Tom Hanks and it's ok post Civil War story but nothing special and not Oscar material for me.
I can't believe that Borat stuff made it to Oscars and that tells you everything you need to know about Oscars...

This is for sure the weakest year ever. OK maybe not ever but in the last 20 years for sure. Don't even want to watch any of the movies nominated let alone give them an award. Too bad all those blockbusters need big revenues from cinemas. We could have had a much less boring year if some of the movies that should have aired actually did so. Just another way covid managed to screw with our lives.

Good thing streaming services like Netflix stepped up and did some good work. But that is off topic here so I will not continue with that discussion.

Since I watch approximately 300-400 movies per year and I am on that pace for the last ~20 years, I can't really choose much. But that's just life a of a cinephile, you watch a lot and hope that you will find some gems. And I always do as I am not restricting myself to any country, good movies are being made all over the world.


It is true that Hollywood produces a lot of shallow movies whose only goal is to make a lot of money, but there are still good American movies outside Hollywood factory, like that indie movie Nomadland. Or Minari. But if you focus on blockbusters and other hyped movies, of course chances are that you will get disappointed.

Regarding Tenet (mess of a movie) and News of the World (average imho but it is good visually), both are only nominated in technical categories and not for the Best Picture.


While first one was really funny, Borat sequel is one of the worst movies I saw recently and I barely managed to finish it.

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It is true that among nominated I haven't seen truly great movie, but there are some that are good/decent like Nomadland, Minari, Sound of Metal and Mank. But of course it's all about what kind of movies you like to watch. I am personally not a fan of blockbusters & comic based movies  so I don't really miss those.


Yep, again one of the Netflix produced movies has been nominated, Mank. They did increase movie quality a lot in he last couple of years. Their Roma is one of the best films I've seen in years and it is a shame that it didn't win an Oscar for Best Picture few years ago.

Is someone really placing bets on this s&it? ;D What is this?Hollywood gambling? ;D
I really hate Hollywood and all those movies that got Oscar nominations are just so boring.
There was at least one interesting movie that caught my attention in the previous years.This will be the most uninteresting Oscar ceremony in the history of the academy for sure.
2020 was an awful year,when it comes to movie making,I guess.
I wouldn't gamble on such predictions.

Sure, it was a slow year, to say the least, but let's give them some slack with the conditions they were working with. I am inclined to believe that a bunch of movies that could have potentially shine have been put on the shelf because of the obstacles caused by the pandemic. And it's not all Hollywood here, you still have the international section to check out and the category such as visual effects, score, sound, and song are really not affected by how boring the movie is.

Why betting on Chadwik Boseman for the best actor award would be a "bad bet"?  ??? I don't understand, could you explain us what you mean by that please? I've bet on him for the Golden Globes, and it was the bet I was the most sure of among the awards. Would you bet he won't win the Oscar?

I wouldn't bet on Chadwick Boseman winning the Oscar not because I don't think that he will win it (on the contrary, seems like he is obviously the the favorite) but because odds given are way too low. With odds ranging from 1.05-1.08 you would have to bet a lot to get any decent return, and I think that risk/reward ratio in this case ain't good at all, therefore making it a bad bet.

If odds were let's say 1.3-1.4, then I would certainly think about taking that bet, but with 1.08? No chance! I generally avoid such a low odds, no matter what I am betting on. Too many times lost while taking sub 1.1 odds not to learn the lesson.

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+1

It was a tough year for sure. Imagine you are studio who invested 200-300 millions USD and then you can't play them in movies, or even if you can, only with limited release, meaning you will loose shit load of money.

Good example of that is Dune (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160419/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0). First release date was supposed to be December 18th 2020 but as we know covid-19 situation back then, it was postponed for October 2021. There was even a plan to release it sooner than that on streaming platforms, but Denis Villeneuve (director) fought hard with studio to change the plan and go only in cinemas as planned, October 1st 2021. Thing is,its planned for Dune to have 2 parts, and in case first part failed financially (which it probably would) 2nd part probably wouldn't happen. So yeah, many things t think about when making a movie in the last year  or so.


Exactly this, people often have no clue what they are talking about, but signature quota has to be filled. :D

I have to say this has been one of the weakest years I have ever seen, in fact in the recent years the idea of making a film for oscars and making a film for audience started to change a lot. Oscar movies are there to give a message, to have a political stance sometimes, to have some societal situation, whereas movies who are made so that more and more people would watch are different.

Do not tell me that these oscar movies are "watched" because even the best one rarely gets watched (recent years of course), look at how much Marvel was watched, you think Marvel was a best picture oscar movie? At the end of the day we are not talking about this growing gap anymore, new movies for oscars come out as hardcore message sending as possible and other movies grow to become more and more huge to get more and more people going so that they could make money.

But nobody said that the movies that are presented at the Oscars are the most-watched movies, or even watched at all. They are movies that have been sent as potential nominations by people who think they have something to offer in one of the categories. There are a ton of movies that give out a message or a stance on something and are watched but not on oscar lists, and it all boils down to the benefit of getting an oscar. I am sure that the Marvel franchise would submit their movies for a category if they thought it would benefit them. Remember, there are multiple categories, not just best movie.

I agree, this year is already shaping up to be one of the more forgettable oscars in the awards' 93-year history. There will be very few upsets in the Best Picture race and very few even remotely worthy performances in major categories. And in many of the technical categories, the competition is weaker than usual.

Sadly quality seems to not matter for Hollywood anymore. They just follow their trash political agenda and the results are worse movies each new year. Actually politics is probably the reason why Borat was included there. Interesting how many films considered *B movies* by specialists many years ago are much better than nowadays Oscar's movies. And even more interesting how a *B movie* isn't considered poor when it's sympathetic to the Hollywood's interests. :D

It is not difficult to know what is happening, Hollywood is being a victim of its own success, they have been earning so much money that they thought they could release whatever they wanted and still make a fortune and now they are realizing this is not the case, and when we add that it seems every movie needs hundreds of millions of dollars to be produced even when the spectator cannot see where all that money went then we have a situation like what we have now, the audience is not as interested as it was on the past on watching the Oscars as they are giving the awards to movies very few watched.

Many deserving artist didn't won any award in the past years and since then, many speculate the corruption between the Oscars. I remember Leonardo on winning his first ever Oscard award after being a nominee for many times. There's a lot of good movies nowadays, honestly and thanks to Netflix for bringing such good movies, the awards is just a consolation price for those good movies, they are still the best for me.

Lots of titles I haven't watched yet. I highly doubt they could create a good one because of the pandemic .
But my focus is on the best animated features. Pandemic = focus on animations.  ;D

"Soul" is a unique story and the twist amazed me.
"Onward" also got a good lesson to learn from.
I have never watched the 3 of them yet but yes, I will vote for Soul before Onward.

I'm also shocked that I saw Chadwick Boseman with a low odds, we all know that he is a great actor.

Even if he is not here already, I know that he did his best fight his cancer and still do acting. They said that he is already diagnosed with cancer when he played Black Panther role in Avengers End Game. That means that he is really passionate with acting and he really deserve to win an Oscar but we have nothing to do with his odds.

Compared to Grammy's they said that this year's Grammy was shocking.

I'm one of these spectators. I can't see how a movie made in studios using mostly green screen effects (chroma key) and fully relying in CGI effects even for characters can be so expensive.
With so many difficults to spot quality in movies nowadays I think it's very risky to gamble in Oscar's results. Looks like every movies are flat and have the same characteristics that I can't analyze why the judges' final choice will be this movie or that movie. It's like betting on the roulette or dice, totally random, LOL! :)

I think you got it the other way around. Chadwick Boseman has small odds on bookies because he was an great actor.
Small odds mean the greater advantage of winning the Oscar.

Bookmakers want to make money from betting, not give it away.  :D

Better let us wait and watch who will gonna be the winners here.
Not spending money on this as you don't know the preferences of the judges how they look at things here.
They have different perspectives when it comes to selection. And us, ordinary spectators will be left confused.
Just enjoy the moment watching them without worrying that you have placed bets on some of them.


Yes, in bookies, the lower the odds, it means, that person has higher chance of winning.
And they won't let you win big amounts if he is more than likely the winner on that category.

Bookmakers are not the ones voting at the ceremony, they don't think he's a great or a bad actor, they just think he'll get the best actor award, that's it.
Odds are low because uncertainty is very low. 1.08 means 93% chances to occur (1/1.08). That's not overvalued since everyone agrees with that. There is no doubt he will be awarded with a standing ovation. Who do you think could get it instead? Anthony Hopkins? He's old but alive...

You can't say that they didn't create a good film if you haven't watched any of it yet, isn't that a little paradoxical to assume that the movies are bad even though you haven't watched any of it. I haven't seen any of it yet so I don't have any predictions but there is still a lot of time before the awards so maybe I can catch up and predict.

Completely agree. And as I wrote before, by not watching the movies you are robbing yourself the insight into other categories. People tend to focus on the best movie overall and the best actors but tend to neglect things like songs, scores, script, or visual effects that are also categories that are not there as a filler but as a true art form that should be examined outside of it just being a part of the film itself.

Hmm, interesting - I'll go with:

Best Picture: The Trial of The Chicago 7

Best Actress: Andra Day (The United States Vs. Billie Holiday)

Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman (Ma Raineys Black Bottom)

Best Director: either: Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman) OR Chloe Zhao (Nomadland)

Best Supporting Actress: Youn Yuh-Jung (Minari)

Best Supporting Actor: Lakeith Stanfield (Judas And The Black Messiah)

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The other categories I couldn't say for certain, I may comeback and review another time.

Interestingly, Glenn Close was nominated for Razzie last week for the same role in the same category. So, depending on who you ask, she's either the best, or the worst supporting actress of the season.  ;D
Very select few have won nominations for the same role in both ceremonies in Hollywood history.

Considering the fact that those categories are usually reserved for blockbusters, and studios are reluctant to make them as they cost a lot of return of investment is questionable due pandemic no surprise there really.


I must admit that I only saw "Soul" out of those nominated in "Best Animated Feature" category it was pretty decent (I especially liked visual style) but kinda reminded me of Inside Out from few years earlier that was imho much better.


Hah yeah. I haven't seen Hillbilly Elegy for which she got nominated for both Oscar and Razzie so I can't really say how good/bad she was in there but it is indeed a quite rare thing. Google says it's only the 3rd case where actor/actress received nominations for both of those awards for the same role.

I have yet to see Father for which Olivia Coleman got nominated  but I really hope that Maria Bakalova won't get an Oscar for that horrendous Borat movie.

Oscar 2021 is going to be completely different this year. I always thought that movies in cinemas are the one who usually gets nominated for Oscar, but since all (or in most countries) cinemas are closed, smaller audience managed to watch all the movie from the list.
The only movie I saw was THE FATHER, only due to Anthony Hopkins was on in it and because I've found it on torrent.

It is understandable that odds are 1.08 for chadwick boseman. It doesn't even matter if he played well or not to a degree, obviously a horrible one wouldn't be alright but he played decently we all know that, what matters is that guy basically died the most shocking way ever. Most people didn't even know he had cancer, and he attributed his latest career on promoting black movies and black related political stance and he died with is dignity.

We all know that there isn't a single person who wouldn't pick him after all this, he would be elevated, he was one of the best actors ever in the recent years to do what he did and all around a great person as well, this will be basically a "thank you" from academy to pick him, it is easy choice. I do not think that anyone has even remotely close chance to winning it, he will be the easiest choice in all of the categories.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure what the Academy sees in those movies, but Borat (none of them) shouldn't be on any Oscar nomination list in my opinion.

Speaking of which, I found another Oscar trivia on Twitter:
https://i.imgur.com/uljITvf.png
source: https://twitter.com/RussellHFilm/status/1371478047631769604?s=20

Although this is not entirely true because there have been at least one other instance of an original and sequel both being nominated for Best Original Screenplay, but still, placing Borat franchise in the same group that includes "The Godfather"? Damn, that's cruel!

Which is this movie and its sequel both nominated for the Best Original Screenplay award you are talking about?
I disagree with you, who are you to say Borat shouldn't be on any Oscar nomination list? The Oscars don't award only drama movies, they also award comedies, and professionals disagree with you because Borat Subsequent Moviefilm has already won 2 Golden Gobes : Best Actor – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy award and Best Motion Picture – Musical or Comedy award.

Best Actor stat:

1. Chadwick Boseman ( 1 nominee)

- Nominee Ma Rainey's Black Bottom

2. Anthony Hopkins (5 nominee and 1 winner)

- Nominee The Father
- Nominee The Two Popes
- Nominee Amistad
- Nominee Nixon
- Nominee The Remains of the Day
- Winner The Silence of the Lambs

3. Riz Ahmed (1 nominee)

- Nominee Sound Of Metal

4. Gary Oldman (2 nominee and 1 winner)

- Nominee Mank
- Winner Darkest Hour
- Nominee Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

5. Steven Yeun ((1 nominee))

- Nominee Minari

Like even before, Heath Ledger dies before Dark knight's release, this is the same situation, I guess Chadwick Boseman will be the Best Actor in oscar 2021.

I really like the creation of this thread, with all these names of film and now I have something I can list down and check. I saw the trailer of the Chicago 7 movie and I find it interesting. Sasha Baron Cohen definitely deserved the said nomination. I have not yet watched the others but I will definitely be checking these out and maybe get back to this thread once I have watched all the said films. Definitely will be putting time on this.

Hah, it's quite opposite here. The Father is the only movie nominated in Best Picture category that I haven't seen yet. Cinemas are not opened here and I couldn't find the torrents, not even on private trackers Care to share the where you find it, via PM?


I must say that I really liked the first Borat, while sequel is utter garbage that deserves several Razzie nominations instead. It is without the doubt worst film I saw in the last year or two. While in the first Borat you could at least think that some of the scenes and reactions were genuine, in the sequel absolutely  everything seemed forced and fake.

Regarding what Academy saw in Borat sequel, it's simple: it fits political agenda. As simple as that. If Sacha baron Cohen was making fun of Biden & Democrats, rest assured he wouldn't be nominated.



You do realize that we are expressing our personal opinions here? Even if Borat got 10 Oscar nominations, for me it would still be garbage.

As someone who has watched them all (nearly, haven't seen just a few) I can say that nobody missed anything by not watching them. In fact I have always said the same thing about oscar movies, there are real good ones that academy can't ignore, and there are those who are made just for oscars and that's it.

Previous years were great examples for that, "once upon a Hollywood" and "the irishman" were movies that everyone expected to either nominated or win something and they were highly celebrated all year, I watched them and I had to take breaks to not get bored, it wasn't for me and I didn't really enjoy them at all neither. This is why I think it is quite obvious that we should pick what we like, for example if you do not like horror movies and there is this movie that is "best ever" in horror, you will still not like it. That kind of stuff, and "oscar movie" is a genre if you ask me.

I confess that only watched two of the nominated films, and I don't have a pinion formed to give an opinion on this year's favorites.

However, it seems to me that the pandemic has had a significant impact on the production of good films and I hear people complaining that the Oscar 2021 level will be lower than the events of the past.

I don't know... I hope to be able to watch a few more movies before the decision to see if that's right.

Thankfully that the "evolution of movie" for streaming was recognized even in the past by Oscar, this helped to stimulate the sector when several cinemas in the world were closed, otherwise, the situation could be worse.

While it's true that some movies are more Oscar oriented, especially with topics that Academy usually like to see (rascism, inustice etc) not all movies that are nominated are made with the intention to win an Oscar so its not good to generalize.


Neither of those are kind of movies that are made with Oscars on their mind:

• The Irishman was a life-long goal for Scorsese and unfortunately he waited for far too long to make a movie. Reason is simple; both Pacino and DeNiro were way too old for those roles. I mean, they were playing pepople that were ~20 years younger than them, and it simply didn't work. At least not for me. Best example of that is the scene at the beginning of the movie where DeNiro is beating some guy in the middle of street, while he is barely able to stand and not fall on his ass. That scene was a cringe. With that being said, if Scorsese made that movie 20 years ago, we would probably  got classic.
• Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood i thoroughly enjoyed. I am fan of the era, Manson family and all that stuff surrounding Sharon Tate murder. I watched bunch of documentaries about the subject so I was really curious what Tarantino has to say. For  me that was his best film since Pulp Fiction. And no, it wasn't made with Oscar on mind. If yes, he wouldn't include that over the top violence at the end of the movie, which is kinda his trademark.

I disagree with you a little bit. Netflix doesn't have a lot of good movies right now, so far it's more of an exception. If you don't count documentaries because there are a lot of them and a lot of cool ones. The only good Netflix movie I can think of is The Irishman. But they do have a lot of great series. I like the fact that they have not only American soap operas, but also from different European countries such as the German series Dark. I like their strategy to produce series, Netflix and HBO are the main producers of TV series.

And as for the Oscars, I think this award is more dead than alive. The studios don't give money to good movies with original storylines. They make Avengers and Fast and Furious because they make a lot of money. I think there is some kind of crisis in cinema right now. Everything has become too commercialized.

The Thin Man (1934) and After the Thin Man (1936)
The Hustler (1961) and The Color of Money (1986)
and, as I have already mentioned,
The Godfather (1972) and The Godfather: Part II (1974)


Take it down a notch. As this is a public forum, we don't have to agree on everything in order to have a good discussion.  ;)

Yeah, I totally forgot that Chadwick Boseman is the first posthumous Oscars acting nominee since Heath Ledger.
He was also an excellent actor who, unfortunately, left us too soon. RIP  :'(

Best Actress stat:

1. Carey Mulligan ( 2 nominee)

- Nominee Promising Young Woman
- Nominee An Education

2. Andra Day (1 Nominee)

- Nominee The United States vs. Billie Holiday

3. Frances Mcdormand (4 nominee and 2 winners)

- Nominee Nomadland
- Winner Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
- Nominee North Country
- Nominee Almost Famous
- Winner Fargo
- Nominee Mississippi Burning

4. Vanessa Kirby (1 nominee)

- Nominee Pieces of a Woman

5. Viola-Davis (3 nominee and 1 winner)

- Nominee Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
- Winner Fences
- Nominee The Help
- Nominee Doubt

source: https://www.imdb.com

I bet Frances McDormand for the best actress, the character in nomaland as strong independent women same as the film Three Billboards when got the oscar. she looks totally acting as before.

I know what you mean, I am not saying that movies made in the 90’s or earlier were better, there were a lot of bad movies back then too, but you could see where the money was spent as they needed to film on location or they needed to build a huge set for the movie so you could see where the money was used, but now as you say a great deal is just special effects and very little storytelling and that is a disgrace in an art form that is supposed to be about telling stories.

It was my main stake for the Golden Globe of the best actress but finally the winner had been Andra Day(in The United States vs. Billie Holiday) so I wouldn't bet only on her for the Oscar of the best actress. There can be surprises. Usually odds for this type of bets allow to place several bets on different contestants.

Has anyone watched all the movies under the best picture nominations during the coronavirus pandemic? I am a big movie goer. But I do not know all of those movies except for The Trial of the Chicago 7 only because it was available on Netflix hehehe.

yes, not all those. Google is our friend during the pandemic, some of the movies I watched on streaming internet because Netflix has banned by the provider either.

Haven't watched any nominees yet but I think Minari and Sound of Metal seems to be a good film, I don't have the time to watch but maybe I will but I won't be watching before the Oscars. You might want to try Piratebay if you want to not pay for watching or you might want to buy the movie at the Google playstore.

It may seem it doesn't have a lot of good movies because of the sheer amount of movies that get made (distributed/funded) by them so it tends to get lost in all of it. For instance, both War Machine and Operation Finale are solid films (not new films but still), but what I do resent with Netflix's own production is that most of it has the same distinct Netflix look and feel to them. It's like they have to cookie-cutter all of their productions for some reason.

I am yet to watch all the movies and usually these picks are won by the favorites and rarely you see an underdog winning with these betting lines and even without watching all the favorites should win them this time.

Anyone who watched these movies who has the possibility to win Best Supporting Actress and Best Actress because those were the only things that have two tight lines in terms of acting.

The odds for Chadwick Bozeman are low but still he remains the Academy favourite and might be grabbing the Oscar this time as first Black posthumous acting Anthony is the oldest in the list with being in nominated from late 83's.Riz Ahmed is the first Muslim lead actor nominee ever in Academy awards.This year 93rd Academy awards will be held in person inspite of zoom calls.But I really want Chadwick to win this time as a tribute to him and his contribution and brilliant acting skills to the industry in his career.Its just a personal feeling as other are also very good actors.

Oscar predictions (https://variety.com/feature/2021-oscars-predictions-academy-awards-nominations-1234764774/)

Netflix is banned in your country? That sucks. What you could do to circumvent that is use VPN, preferably Express VPN as I know that they work good with Netflix so you can access content in any country.


I kinda had the same feeling years before when Netflix had really bad movies and they did feel like they were made for TV or something, but situation changed lately and Netflix started getting out some really good ones.


Regarding best supporting actress, no one really impressed me so far. I haven't see Olivia Coleman in father yet, and I do like her a lot. About the best supporting actor, probably best was the one who is main favorite,  Daniel Kaluuya. The I think that is overrated this year is Sacha Baron Cohen. What really annoyed me is that he was ocassionaly mixing British and American accents, which is a weird thing as UK actors generally don't have issues with American accent (while opposite is quite common, it's very hard to American actors to fake British accent. I might be nitpicking, but that;s how i felt :p.

I am dividing streaming services production to time before Game of Thrones and after. That series changed everything and showed streaming services that it is profitable to invest large amount of money and produce qoulity show/movie. Before that you could really see the gap in qoulity, nowadays the situation is much better and you will find even Hollywood A listers staring in some of the shows/movies. Perfect example is Netflix original movie "6 Underground" starring Ryan Reynolds and directed by Michael Bay.

I've placed bets based on my post quoted above:

https://nitrogensports.eu/sportsbook

Best Picture: The Trial of The Chicago 7

Best Actress: Andra Day (The United States Vs. Billie Holiday)

Best Director: either: Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman) OR Chloe Zhao (Nomadland)

https://i.imgur.com/BTRQ3rj.jpg

Best Supporting Actress: Youn Yuh-Jung (Minari)

Best Supporting Actor: Lakeith Stanfield (Judas And The Black Messiah)

https://i.imgur.com/wQmKLjv.jpg

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My picks:

Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman (Ma Raineys Black Bottom)

Best Director: either: Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman)

are paying even money, so I'm choosing not to place bets, but wish all participants and enjoyable night and good luck to all.

You don't have to do all that to make some bets, just watch the films and if you think that it is good then go bet on it, you are not a critic and you don't have a say as to who is going to win the awards so I don't think that you have to completely immerse yourself in analysis of the story because if you do so then you won't enjoy the movie.

To be quite fair, to have a more educated guess for betting purposes a better option than watching the movies would be hanging out on oscar related forums, read the articles and find out what movie and/or topic has the most hype to it because watching it could compromise objectivity if betting is the only thing someone wants to do with the Oscars.

I used to be very excited about the Oscars with my family watching almost everything and then making predictions of the winners in every nomination since I was a kid. However, I really think that over the last few years TV shows progressed and became way deeper than they used to be, whereas movies are becoming increasingly more disappointing. And sure, there are always some good ones, but the Academy seems to have stopped noticing them. For instance, I loved Tenet and was sure that it would get a bunch of nominations (including the one for Best Picture), but it only got two minor ones. And I've watched Nomadland which is not a bad movie, but it's not great either, and I think it's a little sad that it's most likely to get the Best Picture award.
I also don't get why Borat has such high odds on the Best Adapted Screenplay, as it's a very decent movie that IMO deserves this win. It looks dumb and the style is certainly not for everyone, but it's deeper than it looks, unmasking the problems of right-wing populism, COVID skepticism, and treatment of women. I guess I'll place some money on it, just in case :D
And Frances Mcdormand played nicely in Nomadland, so I think I'll bet on her for the Best Actress award as well. However, she does already have two of these, so maybe she's indeed not very likely to win another one.

To be honest, HBO has a long history of top notch productions years (even decades ) before Game of Thrones appeared. Their shows were always on a completely different level compared to those that were made by for example FOX/NBC/CBS. Just look at the HBO series from 90s/00s like Sopranos, Deadwood, Rome,  OZ, Boardwalk Empire, The Wire, Band of Brothers, or Pacific (which is still the most expensive HBO series ever based on price per episode, even more expensive than GoT} that are considered among best series ever.

Difference now is that more streaming services appeared thanks to internet so of course number of quality series increased and HBO finally got competition, which is good for us as consumers. But even with all these good new series, if someone asks me to name my top 10 series ever, one or none made in the last 10 years would get into that list.

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An interesting picks, I still can't decide about few. Problem is that some odds for an obvious favorites are way too low so it doesn't make sense, while those that have decent odds don't look like they have good chances. Our of all "major "categories" the one for Best Supporting Actress seems most uncertain. I see that you bet on Youn Yuh-Jung (Minari) which is imho a good bet as she did a decent job bit I am still trying to get my hands on The Father as I think Olivia Coleman might even scoop that. 10 is a great odd but I don't wanna bet without watching a movie first. I know that its not really important to see the movie in order to bet, but still can't force myself betting like that.

That has been a problem for movies during recent years, the TV will always have a lot of silly shows but during the last decade they have improved significantly to the point many productions have nothing to envy to what Hollywood does, this means Hollywood is not as special as it was before and many of its tricks can be used not only by TV productions but now even by people producing their own content, and when we add a great deal of the recent releases are just a bunch of remakes and unoriginal movies then it is natural people are discontent with what Hollywood has become.

The director of Nomadland is a Chinese born woman from Beijing. The skeptical me is thinking that the Chinese communist party can manipulate the results and have the movie win all major nominations as a manifestation of their global power and their arrival. China has been manipulating Hollywood already.

The best picture, the best adapted screenplay and the best actress will be won by Nomadland.

https://www.heritage.org/asia/heritage-explains/how-china-taking-control-hollywood

I think that my bet will be going between The Trial of the Chicago 7 and Judas and the Black Messiah, I really like this kind of movies that are based on real accounts so I don't really care if I lose a bet but I am going to be rooting for this two films. Considering the current social and political climate, I think that those that cater more on political and social issues are going to win those awards.

It's not like Chinese directors (or Chinese movies for that matter) have never won an oscar. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (numerous categories for either winning or nominated), Life of Pi (Ang Lee has won also in other categories or was nominated), James Wong Howe for cinematography on numerous films (both won and was nominated), The Last Emperor had an Oscar awarded film score.

I think it is obvious that Netflix put a bit of a pressure in the cinema business, I mean the places that you go to watch movies, that has been a bit of a difficult thing these days, but that's about it, there is nothing that would be hurtful to the movie business itself, they are just producing movies just like any other production company and they are just putting those movies into netflix instead of the cinemas and that's about it.

So, I do not think that netflix hurts the movie world, they are in fact helping it during this pandemic period by publishing everything while cinemas are closed or rarely anyone goes there. Which is why I think in the future the movie business will grow to be bigger and better because I believe that people will be subscribed to many stuff like hbo, netflix, disney plus, amazon and so forth instead of going to movies, and movies will be made with all that guaranteed money.

netflix is for t.v series not new movies releases because thats illegal if every new movies are going to get streamed in netflix because the movie business will die but old movies is allowed to stream in netflix .
its the rona that is putting the preasure in the movie industry because movie places in the real world are closed and if not closed the costumers were limited to follow the distancing . oscar awards is not dead because if its dead why will there be oscars 2021 but the nominated movies for this year are all new

I think the problem of identifying people and directors, where they are from etc, has become bigger in the film industry. Why should it matter if the guy is even a criminal or a saint? We're supposed to be judging their film quality, not who they are and where they come from, right?

Of course, judges are not impartial so we will be seeing "karma" votes where ppl will vote for people they believe have not been getting fair attention in the past.

I do not get why people may think that Netflix would hurt, most of the major names are moving towards netflix, it is basically a guaranteed thing for them of sorts, depending on the production company of course but basically everyone knows what they are going to get and netflix takes all the fall if it is a bad work, hence that is why I think this gives a guaranteed feeling of comfort for both production and directors and actors and everyone behind the scenes as well.

I do not think that it should matter this much. Who cares if it is on a big screen or on your phone, it doesn't matter what the screen size is, it matters only if the work is good or not. This is of course for Oscars, when we are talking about going to cinema it is a personal thing, some people may like it and some people may not who knows but I think it is quite obvious that netflix is not hurting the movie business at all.

While it's true that studios spend a lot of money on lobbying to get Oscar nominations/awards, I somehow doubt that behind Nomadland (eventual) success is a Chinese government. It is actually a pretty good film (if you like slow paced minimalistic dramas) and  Chloe Zhao is not some complete incompetent noob either unable to make legit good film. Few years ago I saw her The Rider (2017) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6217608/?ref_=nm_knf_t2) which I liked a lot so I am not surprised that her next film (Nomadland) got so much appraisal.



There are film purists that simply don't think that film should be watched on TV and that will lead to eventual movie degradation as studios won't be interested in producing epic movies that costs 300-400 million USD. I do like Netflix a lot and they brought a lot of good things to us as consumers (their movie Roma is probably my favorite movie made in the last few years) but its yet to be seen whether that really happens eventually.

Let those purists think whatever they want to think, it is not our place to change their minds. I know for a fact that netflix and similar places allowed us to have a decent situation during this pandemic, they still shot movies and listed more from the past as well, they gave us more things to watch. I didn't watch movies this much before pandemic, now I am watching one nearly every single day. That is why I think netflix not only didn't hurt the movie business, but they even managed to get it better as well; that is why I think those purists can think whatever they want to think about, it will not change what I believe about Netflix.

However I am not going to try to change their idea neither, if they are so sure about movies being so great on cinema itself, let them shoot whatever they want, it eventually comes to netflix anyway, and netflix shoots oscar worthy movies as well, we all remember how awesome marriage story was.

I was only telling everyone that there is more behind the Oscar awards than judging the winners for their film quality and quality of acting. There now is politics and the manipulation of what the world’s sentiment should be. I reckon if George Floyd was killed and the black lives matter movement begun today, all major awards will be won by a black director, actor, actress and producer for any movie about black oppression.

Educated guess might work but I don't think that going to the lengths of going to forums seems to me a pretty big stretch for something as banal as a movie awards, you don't have to read articles to find the hype, if you have a social media then I think that it is enough to form your decision on which to bet because people will recommend what they find good.

I am not an expert when it comes to the rules of the Oscars but if I remember correctly a movie in order to be considered has to have a theatrical release, if it does not even if it is a good movie it does not qualify, I agree this is unfair since a good movie is a good movie regardless of how it was released, I think these kind of rules exist to try to protect and give advantage to the movies that are released in a cinema, but the world is changing and many people do not bother to watch movies on the cinema anymore and prefer to do so from the comfort of their own home so such rules will probably change during the next years.

I believe you are right, but it seems that they have made some changes to the rules last year. I don't know how long these new rules still apply.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/movies/oscars-2021-streaming-coronavirus.html

I guess that this year, the Oscar may also be pale due to Corona virus. I haven't had a chance to check out any of the candidate films yet. What do you think I should watch first?

It depends on what criteria of movie you like. as for me, I will read a synopsis before watching the movie, if the film can not be suitable as I expected I will leave it halfway.

Almost nominated the best picture narrates the character of actor and actress such as activist, deaf, alcoholic, unemployment, feminism and etc.

but, if you prepare to watch without reading a synopsis, I suggest minari.

If you are a lover of the drama genre, maybe Minari is worth watching because the plot is enough to make the audience curious about how it ends and is well packaged by the director. However, for viewers who don't really like the Drama genre I think this will be quite boring, because the storyline is a bit similar to some local films and it's easy to guess how it ends. I honestly don't really like drama genre, and prefer animation like soul. Soul has a light but very meaningful groove.

If it weren't for the quarantine, I'd go to the movies. I like watching movies on the big screen. Besides, last year there was only one big movie, and that was Tenet. I myself have a subscription to Netflix and several other streaming platforms. But I don't think the model of distributing movies on streaming platforms is a good idea, because online piracy is still a big thing these days. And it would be detrimental to the studios' earnings.

One question about Tenet. I did not watch it, but I heard that the sound differs from one theater to another and that was done intentionally by Nolan to cater to do more high-end venues. How did you find the sound to be? I always wonder how that type of artistic expression fits with the more boxed Oscars type of view where you expect certain things to be a certain way.

Nolas is a genius director, he can create a sound by tick clock and use Shepard Tone to make sounds effects Dunkirk movie to be an illusion of intense tension. Because of those sounds, he got 2 the winner as Best Sound and Best Sound Editing. In Tenet, I guess he still uses another Shepard Tone to create that effect. Unfortunately, tenet only gets nominated for visual effects and production design, that sounds effect didn't attract to be nominated.

Yeah, that's what I wanted to know as Tenet seemed more out of the box regarding sound design than Dunkirk did and that might be too much for the Hollywood mainstream. I might not like everything he does, but I'll give him that he's really open and willing to try new artistic concepts, but maybe his intention to cater to the more upscale movie theaters with Tenet rubbed some people the wrong way.

Honestly, I don't really like storylines that make my brain think hard like Christoper Nolan's movies. There are many movies that good people say I can't digest very well.  Maybe different perceptions caused it.  However, I admit the storyline of the Tenet film is very difficult to understand if we are not serious about watching it.  Just one watch I don't really understand the plot.  The grooves are quite heavy for me.  Because it is too complex and the characters that play are so strong.  But what's cool is that this film doesn't really rely on CGI and only relies on other shooting and scoring techniques.

Of course there is more behind the Oscars than just judging by the quality. Studios spend a lot money on lobbying each year and then their is agenda that Hollywood pushes etc. But even if everything is legit there is no guarantee that film we think is the best would win, as this will always be subjective to some degree.



It's true that those who don't like dramas will probably find Minari boring. Same goes for other three dramas nominated in Best Picture category; Sound of Metal, Nomadland and The Father. Then again, I don't understand how someone that likes movies can dislike good drama, but to each his own.


My problem with Nolan is that along the way he stopped caring about characters in his movies, and so did I. And that was my main problem with Tenet, honestly not giving a fuck about anything that goes on. I don't mind style over substance thing (good example is Promising Young Woman which I liked)  but I am not fan of his style (and ideas) either. I really liked his movies before, but sometimes after Inception it went downhill for me.

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I finally managed to watch The Father as it "leaked" few days ago and all I have to say that if Chadwick Boseman was still alive, Anthony Hopkins would win the Oscar easily for his role. That was in my opinion his best performance since Silence of the Lambs.

After watching all nominated movies, I still can't decide which one I liked the best. Tough year to decide, as none really stands out.

Inception did have a core story to it and also the amazing effects on top of that, effects are the icing on the cake.   Tenet has no hook to it to make me watch it especially, maybe I should be watching it drunk when it wouldnt count so significantly to my enjoyment.    That doesnt mean it cant win in its category on the techniques used but I think awards tend to have some bias into a story portraying a good overall effect created.

Nomadland just won few days ago the Producers Guild of America Award. So there isn't any suspense anymore : Nomadland will won the Oscar of the best picture and Chloe Zaho the best director award as I said since the beginning of this thread. End of the game.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/movies/nomadland-producers-guild-award.html

We are fans of cinema and good movies in my family environment and close friends, although we love more to discuss the results of who wins or who loses than the same money or other intangible things that we bet, it is good to say that the Oscars is that type of events in which you can reconcile a bet without any stigma of the bet itself.

On the other hand, on the issue that corresponds to us of the odds and predictions, I have never made a bet with relevant money that is not in the categories of:
Best Actor, Best Actress and Best Picture in any of these I bet strong, there is always a return, it is very difficult to have surprises if you investigate well, in any case if you fail in one of the bets, the other two compensate.

The other thing that can be done is to add a better director, when his odds are better than the three mentioned and it is clear that there are good possibilities, but for example, for my tastes, the best director is always an uncertain category at least there are always two or three Directors with a lot of chance, which obviously hurts your result.

Top 3:
Best Picture: Mank
Best Actress: Vanessa Kirby
Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman

It is important to highlight the competition that exists between streaming and traditional cinema, that is why they have weight in my selection.

I had to carefully select my personal favourites and am so convinced of their winnings not minding their odds but carefully going through some history to check if the actually fit for the winnings. Wishing them all best of luck

Due to COVID cinemas here in France have been closed most of the year (and still are) so I've not seen most of the movies. In fact I've only seen Tenet and I'm pretty sure it will win something.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the results are pretty "African Americanised". Can't help the real people so let's give them some solace with meaningless prizes.

I do agree that Mank was a wonderful movie but The Father was a different feeling you know, maybe that's because my grandma had the same thing but I guess that's something personal that anyone could feel connection to even if not it is in their family. The fact is that we all grow up, and we all get old, and even if not at that level, we may not have the clearest memory at certain point and not full capacity working brain after a while as well. In any case he played it perfectly and that was a wonderful movie.

Looking at odds people do not seem to think that it has the biggest chance, in fact it looks like it's at the bottom of the table and quite frankly that was shocking to see, I didn't watched all the movies but it was definitely a great one. Hell Anthony Hopkins would have been the best actor award winner if Chadwick didn't die this year.

Despite The Father being a drama, when you think about it, it was actually a pretty scary and disturbing movie. I read at few places that thats exactly how dementia looks like and that Hopkins (and Director & Screenwriter) was spot on, in the way that illness was presented. I saw people being portrayed in that state in some other movies, but it was never as terrifying and detailed as in this one.

That's why I said in my previous post that Hopkins would easily win his 2nd Oscar if it was normal situation. Since I am at it, I do think that Olivia Colman deserves Best Supporting Actress Oscar too, as both Maria Bakalova (Borat) and Youn Yuh-Jung (Minari) were inferior to her while they have better chances to win according to bookies, for God knows what reason. Just academy being academy I guess... but those compensations are the worst. Like when Pacino didn't get an Oscar for Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon or Godfather 2, but he got it for that cringe fest also known as Scent of a Woman, instead of Clint Eastwood for that masterpiece Unforgiven and especially Denzel Washington for by far his best performance ever in Malcolm X!



Yeah, unless you are ready to illegally obtain them its practically impossible to watch all of them by now, but few of them are available on Netflix (Mank and Trial of the Chicago 7). Regarding Tenet, it will probably win those Oscars in technical categories.



Thanks for your input, I will soon make my own list. I plan to do both who I think will win, and who I would like to win, so some kind of combo.

This is going to be extremely problematic for the movie industry, while it is true that there is nothing like going to the cinema and watch a good movie I still think that this year is also going to be bad for them, and while streaming services are growing in popularity there is no way they can obtain the same kind of profits with those services precisely because of the point that you bring, online piracy is more popular than ever and as we know there is no way to stop it, so unless they find another way to monetize their movies it is possible that we are going to see many companies in that industry going bankrupt.

Pretty sure when googling those movies you will find them without watching live in cinemas. there are has any kind of resolution, blue-ray, HD, 3gp, DVcam and etc. we don't make a fault when watching it on an illegal resource ( we are lockdown) even Netflix didn't launch yet of the movie.

I have no real qualms about piracy but I'm a cinema fan so I prefer to watch movies in the best conditions, and I haven't bought yet a house big enough to have my own home cinema room.

Others think like me that Black actors etc. will win big ?

Anyone winning or not winning a film because of the amount of light their skin tone reflects is equally ridiculous to me, what category would that come under comedy perhaps.   I hope for a better basis to votes then nonsense tbh

Closed down circumstances could aid some films that are not block busters.



Been watching The Father, its not an easy film to have in this format.   It could win film editing as the cuts to display the malaise of the central character aid the story telling well.  Its a hard subject that faces us all and our relatives, the demographic of the oscar voters is invariably older then the average population because it can takes decades to earn an oscar; they could have sympathy to the films testimony.
   Hard to judge if it wins, its as far away from a blockbuster as can get and most of the film is one or two rooms of a flat.   Theres no valid criticism, its all well done just a hard subject to portray on film.

I do not get it, I watched the trial of Chicago 7 to see what it was about, it was second in odds after nomadland, and I checked all others out before as well this was the last one. I have to say I really didn't like any of the movies, what is this point of Oscars only given to movies that are "artistic", like a lot of monologues, a lot of dialogues, a lot of feelings, like it's so artistic, I end up feeling like banana peeled to wall worth 150k in art form type of deal here.

I do not think this was the real thing. Go check the box office top 100 and you will see maybe 20 of them are like that, the top 10 is all super heroes and star wars and alike, you do not see anything like these movies in there. Why pick what people do not watch as the best movie? I mean whichever movie was viewed the most that year should be the best picture, that's for sure, these movies wouldn't get 1 billion dollar level even if every single cinema in the world showed it. This year is exceptionally bad.

At the Cannes festival the best movie is always like that, so it's not unusual there. It's true the Oscars are usually more about big budget, mainstream movies, but I guess not this year. Even if superhero and star wars movies do well, you couldn't give them oscars every year, there would be no point either.

At Cannes what they did is to add a new category : public's choice. There the movie that will win will be one of the most popular of the year.

Also, the Oscars for each category are won through votes by the members of the academy. This makes it always open to politics, lobbying and manipulation. Hollywood has also been one of the greatest influencers on which storyline and course the world should follow. I reckon for the next 10 years China will use Hollywood to influence everyone to love and agree with its own storyline. I predict a famous director will create a movie about Mao Tse Tung as a good protagonist hehehehe.

Yeah, I can see him being the type of director that goes for the overall aesthetics rather than the depth, however, there are examples where overall aesthetics created an artificial depth that was then left to the spectator to interpret however they want. Maybe I'm going a bit philosophically with this :) but it can be done that way, it's just that Nolan does not seem to have a grasp on how to do it. To sum it up, my guy Nolan is just trying too damn hard to stick out of the box but just does not have the chops for it.

I agree with the first post of your post, that Trial of Chicago 7 is nothing special really, despite the fact that I really like courtroom dramas, but this one was simply an average movie at me. It's probably more about the subject, than the quality of the movie itself.

Regarding the other part, Oscars usually favors dramas, that's how it goes, but also bear in mind that 2020 was a bit different than others; no one wanted to produce and release an expensive big blockbuster movies like in previous years simply because of the closed cinemas.So why would someone invest 200-300 million of dollars if they can't make the profit? 

If everythig was ok, I am sure that we would get more of those "big" movies among nominated ones for the Best Picture. First one that comes to my mind is Dune, that was postponed for late 2021 and I am pretty sure it would end up among nominated ones. And guess which ones are cheap to produce? Dramas.


That doesn't make much sense, and I sure hope awards will never be given on that basis. Most viewed doesn't equal quality.


Yep, that pretty much sums it up for me. I will keep watching everything that he makes, but I don't expect much anymore. But who knows, maybe he can surprise.

Quite a few people in this thread have missed a key point about the Acadamy Awards (Oscars) in that it has become a very topical platform for political statements to be made.  Look to the winners of the recent Emmy Awards and you will see strong voter preferences for performances in very relevant to today stories.

The Oscars will be no different.

That will be the fairest way to give awards as it will be based on data that cannot be manipulated, however we must also admit that many times popular movies are not really that good either, the issue comes when those that are supposed to vote for good movies instead vote for movies that align with their values and with what they want to transmit to the pubic, at that point it is not longer an award ceremony to the best movies and instead it becomes nothing more but a platform to disseminate their own views to the world, which is why less and less people watch the Oscars.

That's nothing new really, that Oscar has been used by both actors and Academy for political statements. From Marlon Brando and his refusal to pick up Oscar given for his role in The Godfather due portrayal of Native Americans in the movies, 2004 when Crash won the Oscar (undeservingly ) and up until now. So in my opinion, no much point wasting time on that.

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I've updated the first post with odds of  ten categories that were missing them initially

The Academy Awards have been more than just about movies since their inception. Actors and filmmakers have a long tradition of taking action and speaking out about what they believe is right at the ceremony. And they have no plans to abandon the tradition anytime soon.

Of course it's manipulated. Studios spend hundreds of millions of dollars advertising their latest blockbusters, when other moviemakers could make 50 movies with that same amount of money !

To win Best picture at the Oscars you must first be a candidate, then you must do a lot of promotional stuff, TV interviews on all the channels, basically spend millions again just to have a chance.

Can't they simply but the Jury who is going to judge and declare the winners? Are the movies that win Oscar, worthless? I believe that those who try to make their 'movie team' win are the ones who may have earned a very hefty amount of money because of such movies and is trying their best to let those best candidates get these awards? That's because then, people will DEFINITELY go and watch their movies.

I didn't know this Latvian bookmaker (bovada.lv) but it's currently blocking IP addresses from my country, do you know why?
Markets for all Oscar categories are available on Stake.com, so I'll will use this one and recommend it instead of yours I think.

There is definitely a campaign and budget to pay people to drum up support for oscar wins and nominations.   I'd still say oscars go with movies that deserve it in the main, so long as there is competition in that year you are talking the cream of the crop.   Just watching any of the nominated movies is probably fine, many people consider the win just personal preference and being nominated will boost sales enough that it has distinguished a movie from the crowd.
  People are always biased to the popular and its already known who are the favourite actors.   Actors sometimes do awfully in a role and dont deserve any recognition or possibly they just keep playing the same role and its not worth any special praise.   The oscars itself has its own bias and its towards the greatest drama I think not politics, acting does have a left wing bias imo but its not universal so I dont label oscars political in that way.  I would say sentimentalism or something which is not a criticism exactly.

Don't know much about the others, but it now looks confirmed that Chadwick Boseman will be selected as the best actor. I don't have any issues with  posthumous nominations for Oscar, but I believe that the rules should be same for everyone. Heath Ledger never got the nomination, despite the fact that he deserved it in 2009. He was instead given the "best supporting actor" award.

I haven't watched any of these movies but I am affected by the odds.Nomadland has an 1.4 odd while the others have really high odds compared to this.I don't think we can judge by the odds in movies like we can in sports because each one of us has different emotions during a movie.Some people may prefer the movie with the highest odd so I would not bet on any of these events.

??? Why did you quote my post without quoting my name please? If you want to say something about my words please quote my name to notify me so I'm able to answer your comments on them. Otherwise if it's only a way to write random shitposts quietly, don't do that with my posts please, thank you very much.

Yep. So pretty much pointless wasting the time about that subject as they do what they do. Sometimes they will vote based on whatever agenda they are pushing on at the moment, sometimes because studio spent shit load of money on lobbying and sometimes truly the best performance (or at least good enough that people won't complain too much) will win the Oscar.


As a matter of fact, Heath Ledger was nominated in "Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role" category back in 2006 for his role in Brokeback Mountain (if it was up to me I would have give him Oscar, but competition that years was tough, and it would be unfair to say that Philip Seymour Hoffman winning that Oscar was undeserving). Regarding his Oscar for "Best Supporting Actor", it wouldn't make much sense to nominate him for the Leading Role as he simply wasn't a lead role in The Dark Knight.

And yeah, Chadwick Boseman will probably win an Oscar, but in my mind I have no doubt who actually deserved it, and that is Anthony Hopkins.

A lot of talk about Nomadland, and people claim that it is almost assured of the prize for best movie. I checked the odds for other movies, but they are far behind. The Trial of the Chicago 7 seems to be in the second place, but there is a wide gap between the two. Moonlight and Hidden Figures are also talked about as potential nominations. A few others in picture are Minari, Promising Young Woman and Judas and the Black
Messiah.

The thing that I don't understand is how Trial of the Chicago 7 has such a low odds ( and high chances for the win). For me personally it was an average movie, and I am a big fan of courtroom dramas. I just expected more from it.

When I sum it all up, I like the Nomadland the most. It's kinda melancholic and almost made in documentary style+superb photography but definitely not movie for everyone and I can understand why someone might not like it. Close 2nd for me is The Father, and I really hope that some miracle happens and Anthony Hopkins gets his well deserved Oscar.

Yeah, I've read a lot of online reviews for "Trial of the Chicago 7", but most everyone agrees that it's an average movie at best. Personally, I'm not sure about the nomination worth, but that's the Academy. I'm not sure about the low odds; it may be related to the total number of nominations for "Trial" or the fact that Sacha Baron Cohen is also involved in this movie.

I think the winner of the best film is going to be "Nomadland".

But Academy has a tendency, to reward those who are more profitable or who will give a greater advantage, for Academy.

And I see in "Nomadland", one of those cases. At a time when talking about women's rights, especially in the US cinema world, we have a nominated film that was written and directed by women, about the history of women, and with actresses who performed well, it has everything to win.

It's just that film is about the stuff that Academy usually likes and that fits the narrative and that's why all the praise. To be honest, I didn't even like Sacha Baron Cohen that much in a movie. Few times in the movie he let his British accent gets out. Some say its on purpose as that's how the guy he portrayed talked, but when some interview, it turned out that wasn't really the case.



I do agree that Academy  tends to award movies that fits the agenda, but based on what you think that Nomadland is about, I am certain that you haven't seen the movie at all, or you completely misunderstood it. Either way, it's not about "history of women" or feminism at all. It's more about a death of American dream. After watching it, I do understand why it's a clear favorite as I enjoyed it a lot. Just to add that movie is definitely not everyone's cup of tea.

I didn't mean to say you're a feminist. What I meant is that it is a story told by women.
I'm not saying it's better or worse than the others on the list. Because I think they are all almost at the same level.

But those on digital platforms are not going to win for sure. And of the options that are left, this is what fits on the agenda.

I didn't say that you said I am a feminist lol, but you said that Nomadland is about history of women and I don't understand how you came to that conclusion, if you watched the movie. It's true that this year we have many dramas nominated which is understandable due covid situation.

If you I have to rate Oscar nominated movies from best to worse, this is how it would look like: Nomadland>The Father>Mank>Sound of Metal>Minari>Judas and the Black Messiah>Promising Young Woman>The Trial of The Chicago 7.

There is nothing like a posthumous award and therefore the Oscar for best actor should be given to the best performance irrespective of whether that individual is alive or not. Therefore I agree with you that Anthony Hopkins deserves the award much more than Chadwick Boseman. But under current political circumstances, it will be impossible for the jury to give the award to anyone other than Chadwick Boseman. Even if they want to do that, they can't. That's the bitter truth.   

I referred to the film.  :D

Another storyline for the winner of the best actress category might be because of black lives matter, the academy might vote for Viola Davis or Andra Day and have a black woman as the best actress of the year hehe. Their odds are 3.17 and 6.17.

Sad to see a prestigious event such as Oscar now purely becoming a political event. The award for the best actress should be given to the individual who had given the best performance. I am not a big fan of either Viola Davis or Andra Day, but I will be having no issue if they are being given the award on the basis of performance. But here this entire award ceremony is being relegated to a joke, and the winners are decided on the basis of political preference and not on the basis of their acting skills. 

Unfortunately, I have to agree. But this, in my opinion, has been going on for several years.
I don't always win the best, and it is possible to find several critics of the cinema talking about it.

However, this is a problem that is increasingly affecting society in general, in the most varied areas. More and more people are looking at socio-cultural elements, rather than housing. But this is another debate.

In the longer run, it will ruin the reputation of the awards. Look at the Nobel peace prize. No one takes it seriously nowadays, because a lot of underserving people have been given the award. The Hollywood movie industry itself is in a poor state for the last one and half years due to the pandemic. Injection of political propaganda (beyond a certain limit) is not going to do any good. Even previously there was a lot of controversy surrounding the prizes awarded to films such as Schindler's List and Crash. 

Politics has always been present in art, the most important thing is that art also remains. It's just that the world has gone mad and at times they are judged not by the quality of the work, but by the actions of its author in real life. By the way, there may indeed be disputes about the subject matter of such a film as Schindler's List, but the film itself as a work of art is technically made quite soundly, which is often not enough for new projects. I understand perfectly well that a work of art (not always) should reflect reality in all its diversity, but make it mandatory or destroy the career of artists for unfashionable words from the ruling class or for speeches that have been said for a long time, about which a person has long changed his opinion...

I was blown away by The Father; at first, it seemed that the various scenarios will slow down the entire film and that too much time will be wasted in distinguishing the real from the imaginary, but it soon becomes clear that it doesn't matter at all. Anthony Hopkins' brilliance anchors the entire film.

While I agree that Crash win was controversial as there were few clearly better movies nominated that year (Brokeback Mountain, Capote, Good night and good luck) I don't remember anything of that sorts surrounding Schindler's List. As a mater of act, I think that this is the first time I hear someone saying that about Schindler's List.

When you look at the competition that year (The Fugitive, In the Name of the Father, The Piano and The Remains of the Day), only maybe In the Name of the Father comes relatively close. All other films can't simply match Steven Spielberg's masterpiece. Tehnical part of the movie was superb, and on top of that both Lian Neeson and especially Ralph Fiennes (he should have an an Oscar for his brilliant portray of Amon Goeth) probably had career roles.



Yep, it is a shame that Hopkins won't probably win an Oscar for this. Despite the odds I think I will bet some money on him, just in case he wins by some miracle.

^^^ Hmm... I was wrong about Schindler's List. I guess I was too much biased towards In the Name of the Father.

BTW, there is a surprise. The Oscar for Best Actor this year is won by Sir Anthony Hopkins!!! That was completely unexpected, but I am glad for him. No one deserved the award better than him. He was simply outstanding in The Father. The best actress award was won by Frances McDormand (Nomadland). And as expected, Nomadland is chosen as the best picture. In most cases, I have to say that this year's awards were won by deserving people.


LOL.. did you put any money on him?

In the Name of the Father is a fine film, no questions about that, but for me Schindler's List is a masterpiece, and that's what separates those two. I was jist surprised when you said that is undeserving as that's the first time I heard that, while Crash gets mentioned all the time in that context.



Yep, great thing about Hopkins winning an Oscar, academy did the right thing for a change and awarded truly the best performance this year.


Unfortunately not, I was so busy last few days that I completely forgot to bet on this. But still, I don't mind as I am glad to see that the right person won. And as I mentioned in the beginning of this thread, Boseman turned out to be a bad bet, with only 1.08 odds. I hope that people didn't put much on that one.

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2021 Oscar winners
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/04/2021-oscars-winners-list-academy-awards-1234631270/

OK guys.. congratulations for all those who made the bet in favor of Anthony Hopkins. It was a completely unexpected, but 100% deserving win by the great actor. And I don't think that too many people made a bet on Chadwick Boseman, because the odds were really low. Nomadland won the award for the best picture (which was expected, but I thought that Minari was better). Anyway, not much to complain about the awards this time.  ;D

Yes, those were also my predictions.
The films this year were almost all at the same level, and could not win films from the streaming platforms.

It turned out to be a ceremonial with few surprises.

The big surprise was that Chadwick Boseman couldn't win the award for the best actor, for his performance in Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom. He had odds of 1.06-1.08. Looking at the odds, I was all but certain that the prize would go to him. Anthony Hopkins had odds of 8.00, but he managed to win the award for his performance in The Father. Others (Riz Ahmed, Steven Yeun.etc) never had any serious odds.

Similarly, Nomadland had odds of 1.15 for winning the prize for the best picture. The only movie to offer any meaningful competition was The Trial of the Chicago.

sure, nomaland is really the best picture, I like this film and both with Frances McDormand which I fan with him either. So, until now, Frances has collected 3 oscar all as best actress. Only two people who had a winning as a lead actor or actress, Daniel Day-Lewis and Frances McDormand. however, who got the winner betting nomaland and McDormand?.

The movie The Father by Florian Zeller, who won best script and best actor, is an interesting case. Florian Zeller directed it, but he also wrote the script, from his own original French play Le Père, which in turn has been made into a French movie in 2015, Floride, but without Florian Zeller.

So this isn't a remake of a French movie, but it's an adaptation of a French play. I wonder if it's the first oscar won by such a movie. I know Cyrano de Bergerac (1990) was poised to win big but lost due to a controversy. I see it still won an oscar for best costume so I guess that counts anyway.

Of course this one is an English language movie so it's not exactly the same.

Yes it has been a big surprise to not see Chadwick Boseman awarded by a posthumous Oscar, commentators and journalists have been really surprised by that according to their articles. I also bet on him because he won the Golden Globe award of the best actor few weeks ago and because bookmakers (and everyone) seemed to be very confident in his victory.

Liked that one alot at the time but never would have thought it was a serious contender for an oscar.   The Father I thought might sneak a win because it is such a contentious issue (purely my opinion I dont think of it as a winning subject), as a plain movie its so far away from traditional blockbuster.  It is a play more then a movie really, but either way its very well done and I dont disagree with the award especially with Hopkins who rarely does a poor effort whatever he is handed.
    I dont see Oscars as political but its nothing new they will always have a greater theme to their awards, if that isnt there then people can be upset the film content itself is not judged purely.

It's not like every people has to automatically win the award, I am sure he deserves the award but if there are other actors who have performed much better than Chadwick then I am pretty sure that it is alright that he didn't posthumously awarded.

The jurors did the right thing IMO. The award should be given for the best performance, and not based on emotions. IMO, Anthony Hopkins deserved that award more than anyone else. Chadwick Boseman is a good actor, but his performance was not as good as the one from Hopkins in The Father. Overall, this time the awards were fair. IMO, there is not much of a chance for complaining by anyone. The jurors did an exceptional job in selecting the best nominations for awards.

@Visnu.Reang indeed it was a horrible decision to not award the late Chadwick Boseman with the award, and no matter of justification can do justice for their decision. @Saint-loup while I hadn’t wagered on this event, but if I had wagered then I would have wagered the same way you did, because I too felt that they would award him, but sadly they stunned us all.

Source:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/26/chadwick-boseman-oscars-snub-reactions-anthony-hopkins/

Horrible decision? I don't think so. Anyone who have watched Anthony Hopkins performance in The Father would agree with the jury's decision. His performance was just mind blowing. Chadwick Boseman was a great actor. And his performance in Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom was terrific as well. But the award can be given only to one performance, and this time it was Hopkins who got the jury's nod.

But I think it was expected that he doesn't win himself! It was a film produced by a streaming platform.
Streaming platforms continue to be the ugly duckling of Hollywood.

They nominate films from streaming platforms, and occasionally give awards from technical categories, so as not to be further accused of being account for these platforms. But sooner or later, they will have to accept the fact that streaming platforms are a reality, and end up receiving awards from the main categories.

On the other hand, personally, I think the prizes should be given in life. People should be valued when they are alive and not only after they die. Either way, he did an excellent job and unfortunately died before he got the chance.

Yeah, one of those years where Academy didn't make any completely illogical decisions. We are going to wait for that to happen again for some time I think :D


Exactly this. Chadwick Boseman did a fine job, and he definitely deserved nomination he got, but Anthony Hopkins was simply brilliant in this movie, his best role since The Silence of the Lambs without any doubt. Who knows, maybe Academy voters saw those huge odds for Hopkins given by the bookies so they decided to bet and get some extra money  :D. Just jk lole, I don't think that something like that is easy to organize as Aacdemy has more than 7,000 voters.

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I just watched whole ceremony as I couldn't watch it live, and this was probably the worst one ever. Hopefully the next one will be in normal conditions.

Yes, same here. Because of the time difference, I couldn't watch the live show, so I watched the rerun.

I hope they bring back a host/hostess or a host couple in the future. This hostless concept struck me as dull and unimaginative. I think, previous ceremonies were much better.

Year 2021 was record low for Oscar awards with only 9.9 million viewers that is 58% lower than last year and I am not surprised about that considering all pandemic crazyness.
I am not surprised to see that 83 year old Anthony Hopkins received Oscar (betting odds 9 suggest that he was underdog to win this year award ) but it looks like he was not so much interested in this as he was resting in Wales and didn't want to travel anywhere.
I see that Tenet won award for best visual effects but I would give it one extra reward for best movie to watch when you want to go to sleep :)

Since you are regular Oscar follower tell me did you bet and won anything?
10 mBTC bet on Hopkins would give you nice 90 mBTC return.

I should have done ... I always had the opinion that he was going to win, but I didn't place bets on the Oscars... :-\

What I would like to see is Ricky Gervais being the main host, so like the job that he did many times brilliantly for Golden Globes. That would certainly  increase the ratings and would make Oscar ceremony interesting once again but unfortunately chances of that happening in the future are slim to none.

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I am sure that he would have traveled if it wasn't for this covid-19 situation but I guess that he just wanted to play it safe and stay home.


Haha true, it's really tiresome and I remmeber when I watched it that I couldn't wait for it to finish. Didn't fall asleep though, buy my wifer was pissed because she, to quote her  "wasted whole damn evening watching this crap". :D


I bet few weeks ago, but back then I didn't include Hopkins. I lost the ticket due Olivia Colman not winning an Oscar, and even though I mentioned that I might bet on Hopkins few days ago, I completely forgot about it.

I changed my first pick from Frances McDormand and my bet went to Viola Davies. I thought the black lives matter movement would be in the storyline for this year and Viola and Chadwick Boseman would win best actor and actress categories. It appears the voters did not care or there were more white voters than black voters hehehehe.

Not having seen any of the contenders, I just took a punt with the names as put in the OP - Of the ones I picked, I was only able to guess Best Director ( Chloe Zhao ) even then I was split between two nominees.  The other being Emerald Fennell.

Too bad that you changed the pick. In the end the awards went for the best performance and not based on skin color. I don't think that it has anything to do with white voters or black voters. There is no proof to argue that the black voters favored Viola Davies over Frances McDormand. The awards and politics should be kept separate. What is the relationship between Black Lives Matter and movies anyway? It was an issue during the 2020 POTUS elections, but as far as Academy awards are concerned only acting should matter.

I should have bet Hopkins I knew the whole sentimental aspect would put him ahead of the game, I didnt realise the odds were so high and remote.   Obviously a kinda obscure type movie, not blockbuster not anything but I know the acting trade and thats a story thats going to get real appreciation from the voters behind oscars who invariably will have been in the industry their whole lives and not so much 20 somethings unaware of the struggles with aging etc.

Usually the award for the death person happens not because of emotions alone, or not because of even death itself, but more about if you do not give him an award this year, you will never give him any other award ever again in the future, so it is usually a discussion topic. However you have to realize, people die every day, celebs die every year, not all of them win something, most of them loses in the end, there are 100+ celebs die every year, some famous, some not so much obviously, but that doesn't change the fact that they don't win anything.

Definitely there are few who died that year and got an Oscar as well, but that is much much more rare, like maybe 1k to 1 chance, probably lower between all dead people. Chadwick wasn't considered a potential winner just because he died, not like he played horribly, he was definitely in contention, even as far as say he was either first or second best, AND he died, so people assumed that would be decisive between him and Anthony Hopkins.

The Father is a movie that is more suitable to mature audiences and the younger viewers may not find it very interesting. It talks about a topic (progressing memory loss and dementia) which would otherwise be swept under the carpet and ignored in normal circumstances. But the topic is becoming more and more relevant, as the world population is undergoing rapid ageing (at least East Asia, North America and Europe). And I was actually disappointed that it didn't won the award for best picture.

Hopkins is a good actor, he was terrifying as Hannibal Lecter and I don't know why would they put a strange odds on him knowing that he can deliver what is being asked on the film. It's not blockbuster because there aren't a lot of theaters open so there isn't a lot of places to watch these movies. But to be honest, Cannes is much better than Oscars because that's where you get the really good films.

There's no doubt about the acting ability of Hopkins, whatever movie he was in.
Lucky for those who bet on him. Just wondering, when I watched those movies, if at least they can get their initial production budget.
With this pandemic, I believe most of them were at loss. Though almost everybody is.
Would be hard for the film industry to get back also as many people are avoiding the crowd even if the vaccine is already available.

Agree.
In Cannes the best films are presented, and they really win the best. At the Oscars, on the other hand, the ones who are the most "friends" of Hollywood usually win.

I personally think that The Father is a masterpiece, and anyone who is capable of empathy would find it very interesting and moving. I consider myself as a young viewer, but still I enjoyed it. Hopkins was incredible, as always. He sure as hell deserves the second Oscar.
I too hoped that this movie would be the winner. The Father and Mank were my favorites. And Nomadland just didn't seem like a very strong movie to me.

Cannes and Oscar are two completely different things. First of all, Cannes is a film festival and as any other film festival, it's not so much focused on movies from the one country, whereas Oscar is mainly award for US movies, despite the fact that they have "Best International Feature Film" and other non American movies can be found there.

I would compare Oscars to Cesar awards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9sar_Awards) in France, which gives wards for best French movies, and similar thing have other countries. Thing with the Oscars is that United States cinema is so dominant around the world that it's no wonder that it's influence is huge.

Regarding that in Cannes always the best film wins Palme d'Or, looking at the previous winner I wouldn't agree with that. Majority of them are fine movies, but in the end it's all about personal preference. Another thing. Palme d'Or  winner is chosen by a jury of only 12 people. One interesting piece of trivia, Parasite was only the 3rd movie to win both Best Picture Oscar and Palme d'Or , and the first one since 1955.

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The father is without the doubt an excellent movie, and by far the best depiction of dementia that I saw. But it is also demanding movie, so I can understand why some (and especially younger and less experienced viewers) might not like it.

I just had a good feeing when I watched, "My Octopus Teacher" on NetFlix and I actually told someone in the room that it is going to win a Oscar for the Best Documentary in this years Oscars. You cannot just not reward someone, when they dedicated so much time and effort (free diving for months) to get footage like that.  ;D

I am a bit surprised by the Best Picture, Nomadland... because I did not like it much. They always have some agenda with most of these movies.. mostly political.  ::)  (Economical hardship is coming)   

I was just a little surprised by this victory, as it is a Netflix documentary.
But, they had to really give something to Netflix, and ended up taking advantage of a less important category, for the academy.

I've watched The Father and Nomadland, and I liked the former more as well. Anthony Hopkins played very realistically there. I didn't guess that he would get an Oscar for this one, but I think he totally deserved it. Congrats to those who bet on him.
While I didn't like Nomadland that much, McDormand played beautifully in it, and my bet on 4.27 odds on her was the biggest one I've made for this round of Oscars, so I'm glad it was a win  ;D
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So what if its Netflix documentary, does it make any automatically bad?  Netflix spent 15 billion dollars on original content in 2019 and 17 billion dollars in 2020. So yeah, they mean business and every year they keep getting better. For me, paying Netflix subscription is a no brainer as I know that money will be spent on quality stuff.

Regarding your nonsense about "Netflix taking advantage and won in less important category", just a reminder for you that in 2019 Netflix's Roma won 3 Oscars; Alfonso Cuaron for best director, Best Foreign Language Film and best Cinematography. Are those also irrelevant categories too? In Best Documentary category this is their 3rd win for now, so no surprise either. And no, Best Documentary is not an irrelevant category.

So yeah, you should really check your facts before writing nonsense.



Kudos for the the win, bookies really underestimated Frances McDormand!

I'm not aware that even the Oscar Nominees has odds and can placed bets on, I'm curious what gambling sites handles this kinds of events does all of the sports betting site have this kind of betting event?

That's nothing new really, I remember that in the late 90s when I started betting, Oscar was already included along with all other similar stuff like. Regarding where you can bet on Oscar, basically all top gambling sites offer that, so it won't be hard to find it next year, if you decide to bet on it.

It is not a matter of nonsense, and an observation of how the results have been over the years, even before Netflix existed. Of course, it will always be based on my opinion.

This year that you mentioned, it was quite interesting, and ends up meeting what I think of what the Oscars have been like in the last few years.

Of course, the best film does not have to be the best director (although it seems strange ... but ok).
But, at least all the films selected in the "best film" category, you must have your directors also selected for that category! In my opinion, a film cannot be good if it does not have a good performance. So, if a film is nominated for the best, it is because the director did a great job (chosen team, filming, editing, photography, etc.), then he should also be nominated.

In 2019 the best film was won by Green Book (good film), so far so good.
But Peter Farrelly was not even nominated for the best director. Could he even lose, but not be nominated? So he makes the best film of the year for the academy, but he was not even considered one of the best directors? Does not make sense...

In fact, giving Alfonso Cuarón the award for best director for the film Roma was clear proof that perhaps Roma should have won the best film.
OK, it won as the best foreign film. But this is one more thing that doesn't make sense. So you put the same film in the category of best film and in the category of best foreign film? How do we look, is it an American film or a foreign film?
We can say that other awards, Roma were also nominated for these two categories. It is true. But where it happened (BAFTA 2019 & Critics' Choice Awards 2019), he won both.

In fact, it is easier to give the award for best director, because he makes films for various studios. Now, give an Oscar, for best film, for a production of digital platforms? It's harder. They still don't have the courage to do so. But one day, they will have to do it!

Nominees are voted by other directors who are members of Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science. Those members might not have liked Peter Farrelly that year because he is known for his comedies like There’s something about the Mary and The Heartbreak Kid which are vulgar with distasteful jokes.

For me, Roma was without the doubt much better film than Green Book, and it was the best movie of the year. I think that bigger problem than being Netflix movie was the fact that is non-English speaking movie, and Academy was reluctant to award such movie with Best Picture award, so they waited for the  next year and gave it to Parasite, therefore making the precedent.

You have to remember that Oscar is first and foremost award for American cinema, so its only natural that they want to protect their own film industry, but it is a good thing that they are changing, and with Parasite making that precedent it will be much easier for foreign movies to win he same award.


Yep, just wanted to write that directors are those who decide who will get nomination, and they obviously weren't impressed with Farrely and his work on Green Book. When it comes to award itself then everyone votes for every category.

Just consider any widespread event with undeterminable outcomes will easily have a market for the risk vs bets possible on it.   Its a free market for companies to put up a book to bet on and take revenue and house cut of the take on such event, why would they choose to miss out on that.   Goes for almost anything, any sport any big known event especially if theres alot of anticipation and debate just so long as either side can win ideally.

So why didn't they open this one at Roma? The question remains...
If the film is not American, why nominate for a category that should not win?

I don't say that they do that, exclusively because of Netflix. I have a pity, that in reality the winners, somehow end up being based on interests for the academy instead of the true quality.

And then this situation at Parasite was very strange.
Because even this year, they did not accept a film for the category of best foreign film, just because most of the lines were in English (because of a characteristic of the film's history) instead of being in the language of the country of origin.
But then we had a film winning the Oscar for best film (which should only be for American films) that only spoke Korean (and he wasn't even an American)...

It is this set of episodes at the Oscars that discredit this contest.

They were impressed with his work in Green Book, it won the best picture and best original screenplay categories for that year, however, the director’s guild in the academy did not want to give the honor of best director to the personality sitting on the director’s chair hehehe.