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March 18, 2021, 07:02:18 AM
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Only 1.08 odds for Chadwick Boseman? This could be a sure bet but I wouldn't play for such low odds.
From the odds I can say Nomadland must be a really good movie. I should watch it as soon as possible. We know odds don't give us winners but we also know Oscars are fixed to hell, just like Grammy's etc. 1.40 against 6, the lowest odd, it seems that other's winning chances are almost impossible.

I'm also shocked that I saw Chadwick Boseman with a low odds, we all know that he is a great actor.

Even if he is not here already, I know that he did his best fight his cancer and still do acting. They said that he is already diagnosed with cancer when he played Black Panther role in Avengers End Game. That means that he is really passionate with acting and he really deserve to win an Oscar but we have nothing to do with his odds.

Compared to Grammy's they said that this year's Grammy was shocking.
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March 18, 2021, 03:41:34 PM
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Sadly quality seems to not matter for Hollywood anymore.
It is not difficult to know what is happening, Hollywood is being a victim of its own success, they have been earning so much money that they thought they could release whatever they wanted and still make a fortune and now they are realizing this is not the case, and when we add that it seems every movie needs hundreds of millions of dollars to be produced even when the spectator cannot see where all that money went then we have a situation like what we have now, the audience is not as interested as it was on the past on watching the Oscars as they are giving the awards to movies very few watched.
I'm one of these spectators. I can't see how a movie made in studios using mostly green screen effects (chroma key) and fully relying in CGI effects even for characters can be so expensive.
With so many difficults to spot quality in movies nowadays I think it's very risky to gamble in Oscar's results. Looks like every movies are flat and have the same characteristics that I can't analyze why the judges' final choice will be this movie or that movie. It's like betting on the roulette or dice, totally random, LOL! Smiley

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March 18, 2021, 10:31:10 PM
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I'm also shocked that I saw Chadwick Boseman with a low odds, we all know that he is a great actor.

I think you got it the other way around. Chadwick Boseman has small odds on bookies because he was an great actor.
Small odds mean the greater advantage of winning the Oscar.

Bookmakers want to make money from betting, not give it away.  Cheesy

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March 18, 2021, 10:32:40 PM
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Sadly quality seems to not matter for Hollywood anymore.
It is not difficult to know what is happening, Hollywood is being a victim of its own success, they have been earning so much money that they thought they could release whatever they wanted and still make a fortune and now they are realizing this is not the case, and when we add that it seems every movie needs hundreds of millions of dollars to be produced even when the spectator cannot see where all that money went then we have a situation like what we have now, the audience is not as interested as it was on the past on watching the Oscars as they are giving the awards to movies very few watched.
I'm one of these spectators. I can't see how a movie made in studios using mostly green screen effects (chroma key) and fully relying in CGI effects even for characters can be so expensive.
With so many difficults to spot quality in movies nowadays I think it's very risky to gamble in Oscar's results. Looks like every movies are flat and have the same characteristics that I can't analyze why the judges' final choice will be this movie or that movie. It's like betting on the roulette or dice, totally random, LOL! Smiley

Better let us wait and watch who will gonna be the winners here.
Not spending money on this as you don't know the preferences of the judges how they look at things here.
They have different perspectives when it comes to selection. And us, ordinary spectators will be left confused.
Just enjoy the moment watching them without worrying that you have placed bets on some of them.

I'm also shocked that I saw Chadwick Boseman with a low odds, we all know that he is a great actor.

I think you got it the other way around. Chadwick Boseman has small odds on bookies because he was an great actor.
Small odds mean the greater advantage of winning the Oscar.

Bookmakers want to make money from betting, not give it away.  Cheesy

Yes, in bookies, the lower the odds, it means, that person has higher chance of winning.
And they won't let you win big amounts if he is more than likely the winner on that category.
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March 19, 2021, 03:31:26 AM
Last edit: March 19, 2021, 03:41:37 AM by Saint-loup
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Only 1.08 odds for Chadwick Boseman? This could be a sure bet but I wouldn't play for such low odds.
From the odds I can say Nomadland must be a really good movie. I should watch it as soon as possible. We know odds don't give us winners but we also know Oscars are fixed to hell, just like Grammy's etc. 1.40 against 6, the lowest odd, it seems that other's winning chances are almost impossible.

I'm also shocked that I saw Chadwick Boseman with a low odds, we all know that he is a great actor.

Even if he is not here already, I know that he did his best fight his cancer and still do acting. They said that he is already diagnosed with cancer when he played Black Panther role in Avengers End Game. That means that he is really passionate with acting and he really deserve to win an Oscar but we have nothing to do with his odds.

Compared to Grammy's they said that this year's Grammy was shocking.
Bookmakers are not the ones voting at the ceremony, they don't think he's a great or a bad actor, they just think he'll get the best actor award, that's it.
Odds are low because uncertainty is very low. 1.08 means 93% chances to occur (1/1.08). That's not overvalued since everyone agrees with that. There is no doubt he will be awarded with a standing ovation. Who do you think could get it instead? Anthony Hopkins? He's old but alive...

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March 19, 2021, 04:21:56 AM
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Lots of titles I haven't watched yet. I highly doubt they could create a good one because of the pandemic .
But my focus is on the best animated features. Pandemic = focus on animations.  Grin
You can't say that they didn't create a good film if you haven't watched any of it yet, isn't that a little paradoxical to assume that the movies are bad even though you haven't watched any of it. I haven't seen any of it yet so I don't have any predictions but there is still a lot of time before the awards so maybe I can catch up and predict.
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March 19, 2021, 07:53:34 AM
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Lots of titles I haven't watched yet. I highly doubt they could create a good one because of the pandemic .
But my focus is on the best animated features. Pandemic = focus on animations.  Grin
You can't say that they didn't create a good film if you haven't watched any of it yet, isn't that a little paradoxical to assume that the movies are bad even though you haven't watched any of it. I haven't seen any of it yet so I don't have any predictions but there is still a lot of time before the awards so maybe I can catch up and predict.

Completely agree. And as I wrote before, by not watching the movies you are robbing yourself the insight into other categories. People tend to focus on the best movie overall and the best actors but tend to neglect things like songs, scores, script, or visual effects that are also categories that are not there as a filler but as a true art form that should be examined outside of it just being a part of the film itself.

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March 19, 2021, 08:13:44 AM
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Hmm, interesting - I'll go with:

Best Picture: The Trial of The Chicago 7

Best Actress: Andra Day (The United States Vs. Billie Holiday)

Best Actor: Chadwick Boseman (Ma Raineys Black Bottom)

Best Director: either: Emerald Fennell (Promising Young Woman) OR Chloe Zhao (Nomadland)

Best Supporting Actress: Youn Yuh-Jung (Minari)

Best Supporting Actor: Lakeith Stanfield (Judas And The Black Messiah)




The other categories I couldn't say for certain, I may comeback and review another time.

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March 19, 2021, 08:31:33 AM
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Interestingly, Glenn Close was nominated for Razzie last week for the same role in the same category. So, depending on who you ask, she's either the best, or the worst supporting actress of the season.  Grin
Very select few have won nominations for the same role in both ceremonies in Hollywood history.

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March 19, 2021, 09:55:16 AM
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And in many of the technical categories, the competition is weaker than usual.
Considering the fact that those categories are usually reserved for blockbusters, and studios are reluctant to make them as they cost a lot of return of investment is questionable due pandemic no surprise there really.


Lots of titles I haven't watched yet. I highly doubt they could create a good one because of the pandemic .
But my focus is on the best animated features. Pandemic = focus on animations.  Grin

"Soul" is a unique story and the twist amazed me.
I must admit that I only saw "Soul" out of those nominated in "Best Animated Feature" category it was pretty decent (I especially liked visual style) but kinda reminded me of Inside Out from few years earlier that was imho much better.


Interestingly, Glenn Close was nominated for Razzie last week for the same role in the same category. So, depending on who you ask, she's either the best, or the worst supporting actress of the season.  Grin
Very select few have won nominations for the same role in both ceremonies in Hollywood history.
Hah yeah. I haven't seen Hillbilly Elegy for which she got nominated for both Oscar and Razzie so I can't really say how good/bad she was in there but it is indeed a quite rare thing. Google says it's only the 3rd case where actor/actress received nominations for both of those awards for the same role.

I have yet to see Father for which Olivia Coleman got nominated  but I really hope that Maria Bakalova won't get an Oscar for that horrendous Borat movie.

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March 19, 2021, 11:48:38 AM
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Oscar 2021 is going to be completely different this year. I always thought that movies in cinemas are the one who usually gets nominated for Oscar, but since all (or in most countries) cinemas are closed, smaller audience managed to watch all the movie from the list.
The only movie I saw was THE FATHER, only due to Anthony Hopkins was on in it and because I've found it on torrent.

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March 19, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
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Only 1.08 odds for Chadwick Boseman? This could be a sure bet but I wouldn't play for such low odds.
From the odds I can say Nomadland must be a really good movie. I should watch it as soon as possible. We know odds don't give us winners but we also know Oscars are fixed to hell, just like Grammy's etc. 1.40 against 6, the lowest odd, it seems that other's winning chances are almost impossible.
I'm also shocked that I saw Chadwick Boseman with a low odds, we all know that he is a great actor.

Even if he is not here already, I know that he did his best fight his cancer and still do acting. They said that he is already diagnosed with cancer when he played Black Panther role in Avengers End Game. That means that he is really passionate with acting and he really deserve to win an Oscar but we have nothing to do with his odds.

Compared to Grammy's they said that this year's Grammy was shocking.
It is understandable that odds are 1.08 for chadwick boseman. It doesn't even matter if he played well or not to a degree, obviously a horrible one wouldn't be alright but he played decently we all know that, what matters is that guy basically died the most shocking way ever. Most people didn't even know he had cancer, and he attributed his latest career on promoting black movies and black related political stance and he died with is dignity.

We all know that there isn't a single person who wouldn't pick him after all this, he would be elevated, he was one of the best actors ever in the recent years to do what he did and all around a great person as well, this will be basically a "thank you" from academy to pick him, it is easy choice. I do not think that anyone has even remotely close chance to winning it, he will be the easiest choice in all of the categories.

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March 19, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
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... but I really hope that Maria Bakalova won't get an Oscar for that horrendous Borat movie.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure what the Academy sees in those movies, but Borat (none of them) shouldn't be on any Oscar nomination list in my opinion.

Speaking of which, I found another Oscar trivia on Twitter:

source: https://twitter.com/RussellHFilm/status/1371478047631769604?s=20

Although this is not entirely true because there have been at least one other instance of an original and sequel both being nominated for Best Original Screenplay, but still, placing Borat franchise in the same group that includes "The Godfather"? Damn, that's cruel!

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March 20, 2021, 12:33:26 AM
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... but I really hope that Maria Bakalova won't get an Oscar for that horrendous Borat movie.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure what the Academy sees in those movies, but Borat (none of them) shouldn't be on any Oscar nomination list in my opinion.

Speaking of which, I found another Oscar trivia on Twitter:

source: https://twitter.com/RussellHFilm/status/1371478047631769604?s=20

Although this is not entirely true because there have been at least one other instance of an original and sequel both being nominated for Best Original Screenplay, but still, placing Borat franchise in the same group that includes "The Godfather"? Damn, that's cruel!
Which is this movie and its sequel both nominated for the Best Original Screenplay award you are talking about?
I disagree with you, who are you to say Borat shouldn't be on any Oscar nomination list? The Oscars don't award only drama movies, they also award comedies, and professionals disagree with you because Borat Subsequent Moviefilm has already won 2 Golden Gobes : Best Actor – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy award and Best Motion Picture – Musical or Comedy award.

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March 20, 2021, 01:07:39 AM
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Best Actor stat:

1. Chadwick Boseman ( 1 nominee)

- Nominee Ma Rainey's Black Bottom

2. Anthony Hopkins (5 nominee and 1 winner)

- Nominee The Father
- Nominee The Two Popes
- Nominee Amistad
- Nominee Nixon
- Nominee The Remains of the Day
- Winner The Silence of the Lambs

3. Riz Ahmed (1 nominee)

- Nominee Sound Of Metal

4. Gary Oldman (2 nominee and 1 winner)

- Nominee Mank
- Winner Darkest Hour
- Nominee Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

5. Steven Yeun ((1 nominee))

- Nominee Minari

Like even before, Heath Ledger dies before Dark knight's release, this is the same situation, I guess Chadwick Boseman will be the Best Actor in oscar 2021.

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I really like the creation of this thread, with all these names of film and now I have something I can list down and check. I saw the trailer of the Chicago 7 movie and I find it interesting. Sasha Baron Cohen definitely deserved the said nomination. I have not yet watched the others but I will definitely be checking these out and maybe get back to this thread once I have watched all the said films. Definitely will be putting time on this.

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March 20, 2021, 10:14:17 AM
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The only movie I saw was THE FATHER, only due to Anthony Hopkins was on in it and because I've found it on torrent.
Hah, it's quite opposite here. The Father is the only movie nominated in Best Picture category that I haven't seen yet. Cinemas are not opened here and I couldn't find the torrents, not even on private trackers Care to share the where you find it, via PM?


I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure what the Academy sees in those movies, but Borat (none of them) shouldn't be on any Oscar nomination list in my opinion.
I must say that I really liked the first Borat, while sequel is utter garbage that deserves several Razzie nominations instead. It is without the doubt worst film I saw in the last year or two. While in the first Borat you could at least think that some of the scenes and reactions were genuine, in the sequel absolutely  everything seemed forced and fake.

Regarding what Academy saw in Borat sequel, it's simple: it fits political agenda. As simple as that. If Sacha baron Cohen was making fun of Biden & Democrats, rest assured he wouldn't be nominated.



I disagree with you, who are you to say Borat shouldn't be on any Oscar nomination list? The Oscars don't award only drama movies, they also award comedies, and professionals disagree with you because Borat Subsequent Moviefilm has already won 2 Golden Gobes : Best Actor – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy award and Best Motion Picture – Musical or Comedy award.
You do realize that we are expressing our personal opinions here? Even if Borat got 10 Oscar nominations, for me it would still be garbage.

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March 20, 2021, 11:59:13 AM
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You can't say that they didn't create a good film if you haven't watched any of it yet, isn't that a little paradoxical to assume that the movies are bad even though you haven't watched any of it. I haven't seen any of it yet so I don't have any predictions but there is still a lot of time before the awards so maybe I can catch up and predict.
Completely agree. And as I wrote before, by not watching the movies you are robbing yourself the insight into other categories. People tend to focus on the best movie overall and the best actors but tend to neglect things like songs, scores, script, or visual effects that are also categories that are not there as a filler but as a true art form that should be examined outside of it just being a part of the film itself.
As someone who has watched them all (nearly, haven't seen just a few) I can say that nobody missed anything by not watching them. In fact I have always said the same thing about oscar movies, there are real good ones that academy can't ignore, and there are those who are made just for oscars and that's it.

Previous years were great examples for that, "once upon a Hollywood" and "the irishman" were movies that everyone expected to either nominated or win something and they were highly celebrated all year, I watched them and I had to take breaks to not get bored, it wasn't for me and I didn't really enjoy them at all neither. This is why I think it is quite obvious that we should pick what we like, for example if you do not like horror movies and there is this movie that is "best ever" in horror, you will still not like it. That kind of stuff, and "oscar movie" is a genre if you ask me.

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I confess that only watched two of the nominated films, and I don't have a pinion formed to give an opinion on this year's favorites.

However, it seems to me that the pandemic has had a significant impact on the production of good films and I hear people complaining that the Oscar 2021 level will be lower than the events of the past.

I don't know... I hope to be able to watch a few more movies before the decision to see if that's right.

Thankfully that the "evolution of movie" for streaming was recognized even in the past by Oscar, this helped to stimulate the sector when several cinemas in the world were closed, otherwise, the situation could be worse.

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In fact I have always said the same thing about oscar movies, there are real good ones that academy can't ignore, and there are those who are made just for oscars and that's it.
While it's true that some movies are more Oscar oriented, especially with topics that Academy usually like to see (rascism, inustice etc) not all movies that are nominated are made with the intention to win an Oscar so its not good to generalize.


Previous years were great examples for that, "once upon a Hollywood" and "the irishman" were movies that everyone expected to either nominated or win something and they were highly celebrated all year, I watched them and I had to take breaks to not get bored, it wasn't for me and I didn't really enjoy them at all neither.
Neither of those are kind of movies that are made with Oscars on their mind:
  • The Irishman was a life-long goal for Scorsese and unfortunately he waited for far too long to make a movie. Reason is simple; both Pacino and DeNiro were way too old for those roles. I mean, they were playing pepople that were ~20 years younger than them, and it simply didn't work. At least not for me. Best example of that is the scene at the beginning of the movie where DeNiro is beating some guy in the middle of street, while he is barely able to stand and not fall on his ass. That scene was a cringe. With that being said, if Scorsese made that movie 20 years ago, we would probably  got classic.
  • Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood i thoroughly enjoyed. I am fan of the era, Manson family and all that stuff surrounding Sharon Tate murder. I watched bunch of documentaries about the subject so I was really curious what Tarantino has to say. For  me that was his best film since Pulp Fiction. And no, it wasn't made with Oscar on mind. If yes, he wouldn't include that over the top violence at the end of the movie, which is kinda his trademark.


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