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Copa America is starting on 13th June, so about a month for now, actually same day EURO starts. There was some interest about having prediction pool for this competition and I decided to start it. It will be organized same as previous pools run by me so if you were a part of La Liga pool or Serie A pool you know how it works. No need to read further just participate! For new comers go check those pools to see how much fun they are, and how big rewards we are dishing out thanks to BTC price action.

COPA is played in two groups, one in Argentina and one in Colombia, final games will be played in Colombia. 4 teams are progressing from each group so I am expecting a lot of strange results in group stage. Home teams should do well since first 2 teams from each group get to stay in the country while 3rd and 4th are having to move camps.

Sporsbet Sponsorship:
Big thanks to Sportsbet for sponsoring our pool this year, the deal includes:
1. 20 mBTC boost to our pot (over 700$ at the moment)
2. 0.5 mBTC free bet on sportsbet.io for every participant (you have to let me know your sportsbet username and have account on sportsbet to collect)
3. Free bets for our weekly competitions, only for participants of the pool. More on this to come when the tournament starts.

How this pool works
For prediction we will use Superbru page and we will have complementary discussion topic here on the forum for participants only. Superbru has been around for years and they are very good at providing custom pools for all kinds of sports. The idea of the game is to predict correct scores from all the games which gives you max points (3). If you get outcome correct but not the score there is still some points awarded (1-1.5). The winner is the person with most points at the end of the season.

Buy in and prizes
Buy in for the pool is 1 mBTC = 0.001 BTC or little more than 35$ at the moment. A little bit more then usual but more then worth it since you get 0.5 mBTC free bet just for participating.
BTC address to send the funds:
1PUknW57jM21p5WnLCWqFcZw7n1QUUBK63

I will decide on prizes after we know final number of participants but it will be something like:
1. 55% of the pot
2. 30% of the pot
3. 15% of the pot


Paid Participants

Bitcointalk name	|	Superbru name	|	Favorite team
________________	|	________________	|	________________
morvillz7z	|	Hoody Hoo	|	Uruguay
casperBGD	|	casperBGD	|	Uruguay
tomahawk9	|	tomahawk9	|	Uruguay
LTU_btc	|	LTU_btc	|	Uruguay
DIA7	|	DIA7	|	xxxxxx
Harkorede	|	Harkorede	|	Argentina
icopress	|	icopress	|	Brazil
hahay	|	hahay	|	Brazil
vd309	|	MoSala	|	Argentina
Trofo	|	Trofo	|	Brazil
buwaytress	|	Sojourner	|	xxxxxx
cryptofrka	|	cryptofrka	|	Argentina
LFC_Bitcoin	|	LFC_Bitcoin	|	xxxxxx
darxiaomi	|	darbit	|	xxxxxx
jeremypwr	|	PLGuru	|	xxxxxx
Swordsoffreedom	|	SwordsRex	|	xxxxxx

could not say that I am thrilled to participate in the pool, but you can count me in if there is at least 10 participants (or nine + me) - presume that you will not organize this one at all without 10 participants, or we could play just for fun in that case

how do you plan to follow scores, did not saw Copa America on Superbru?

Let's make it to that 10 participants and then we are fine. I would hate it if I had to drop it after securing sponsorship :)
It is already 3 of us and I expect at least a couple more regulars to join us.

Superbru usually adds stuff about a week before it starts. I am 99.9% sure it will be there. If not we will find some other solution. It was on Superbru last few editions and Superbru is just adding tournaments not removing them.

You can count me in! I might need to secure another monitor or tv, i think we will have matches from Euro overlapping with the some of early Copa America matches, 24 hours of football for about a month. Bring it!  ;D

I'm okay with whatever the entry fee is, hopefully, we get at least 10 to join.


I took the courtesy to DM them on Twitter and ask them if they are going to have a predictor game for 2021 Copa America, this was their response:

Made some good calls in last one and yeah, anything to fill ke in while wallowing in the misery of pre season so count me in.

Suarez and Messi probably still going to give this a go. Uruguay gave quite good value in qualifications maybe a nice outright. Chile probably a decent run. But let's see what the bookies think.

I think I participated in the last Copa America pool, but I'm definitely in on this either, It's always terrible for me though, as I'll always back Argentina to go all the way and every time it's just the same old story 😏

Since all leagues will be over, 10 participants should be an easy reach, I suppose.

I'm in!

Copa America 2019 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146493.0) had 10 participants, but the gambling board had a big boost in number of users and predicition pool participants in the last couple of years so hopefully we'll get more than 10+ players 👍

I am expecting about the same as for Serie A and La Liga, maybe we get to 15 players. If we get to 20 I'll be really surprised. If somebody likes to join and buy in is too steep for you, let me know and maybe I'll lower it a bit. I would prefer to have as much as possible participants.

I am going to invite the Gosu gang, just thought of that :)

Count me in. :)

Great to see many familiar faces :). We have 8 players already in less than day - not bad, right?
This year because of Covid there won't be guest teams. But anyway, it was a bit strange to see Japan or Qatar playing in Copa America.

I haven't looked at schedule, but I think that games won't overlap - most Copa America games will start deep in night. Maybe only on weekends there may be some earlier games, but I think schedule is made trying not to conflict with EURO.
Football all day, all night - what can be better? :D

You are right there won't be any overlapping at all, my bad in calculating the time difference between Argentina and Europe.  ;D

When we get to the quarterfinals, semifinals, 3/4th place, and the final, how will the scoring work? Will the scores be graded at the end of regular time or the end of extra time? I suppose penalty shootouts are excluded?


So, bigdaddy won in '19...i swear he is either first or second in every goddamn pool, the most complex player that we've got here. 👍

Since it's going to be on SuperBRU, I think it's graded after extra time, just like in the UCL (Juventus vs Porto being the most recent case) and other knockout competitions, however, I don't know if penalty shootouts are included, I doubt they'll be though.

I will be your number 9 on your list
yeah I think they exclude extra time and shoot outs from what I remember from UCL is the predictions work for 90minutes that's why you can predict a tie.

agree, whatever pool I am in, bigdaddy is near the top, congrats

this will be a short one, so everyone will have chances, few good predictions in the beginning and you are close to slam it, there is a total of 28 matches on the tournament
not sure how Superbru will distribute rounds, but I think that we do not need "best yellow cap" competition, only overall

No, they do include extra time, the screenshot attached below was from a champions league match this season, they match end at 2-1 in regular time but both team later scored during the extra time. And it was settled as 3-2 in the pool.

https://i.imgur.com/qHlOZm1.jpg

So you are saying we should not invite bigdaddy to play :)

They counted extra time and not penalties in the past, but it doesn't really matter, it will be the same for us all and it is written in the rules of the pool. I'll include that in the OP once the pool is live on Superbru.

would it be more interesting on Copa America without Brasil or Argentina, so that Venezuela could take their first title?

no, I am saying that he is Brasil or Argentina, and for us (we could be Peru and Chile, for example) it is a goal to try and beat Brasil or Argentina (bigdaddy) :)

but, yeah, it is interesting idea to play without him, will be easier to pick some reward ;)

A friendly bump! :)

It appears that Colombia won't be hosting any matches:

"2021 Copa America: Colombia will not co-host next month's tournament amid ongoing protests in the country"
source:  https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32506/12312411/2021-copa-america-colombia-will-not-co-host-next-months-tournament-amid-ongoing-protests-in-the-country


Apart from that^, the Copa America predictor is now available at Superbru.

Great, I'll make our pool and start collecting money as soon as I dish out the rewards for La Liga and Serie A. Provided that we have at least 10 players, less then that and it does not really make much sense. I'll send a couple of PMs during the weekend as well.

Still waiting for confirmation from sponsor so I hope all 3 "obstacles" will be ironed out during next week.

I'm with you ... and while I await the launch of the new season of the Premier League predictions, this is a great idea for me to pass the time!

So maybe later I will ask a few more questions that interest me.

Hmm, another gang ... I'm just wondering who's in it.

I am in. Just PM me when you start collecting entry fee cos I can forget to check in here. Thanks.

I am putting you in as participant even though I am not 100% sure you are in. "I am with you..." is not exactly hard commitment  ;D Complain if I got it wrong. Feel free to shoot any question after I start the pool officially. I will try to edit the OP in a way that is answers all the usual questions so maybe there will not be the need for further explanations :)

Gosu gang leader is @efialtis and I don't think they are official Bitcointalk gang yet but they should be. Check his thread and webpage. I can only recommend it, he is doing the good work there.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262141.0;topicseen

I am playing poker with those guys so I'll try to do some recruitment between the hands.

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No problem, I will probably start collecting money 2 weeks before first match and I'll shoot the PM to all the people on participants lists who do not make a deposit in the first week or clearly state they will not be part of this pool.

bump, for more participants

https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2021/05/25/copa-america-usa/

after Colombia, it is now on Argentina, and Copa America could be played in USA in the end, because of Covid situation
if true, this could bring strange results, teams will play on the fields that they do not know, probably without audience, and it will be difficult to prepare for the tournament

to expand on the article (https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2021/05/25/copa-america-usa/) above^:


Pushed back? c'mon now they really want to sabotage our 24-hour football marathon starting next month, don't they?  ;D


I'm not sure about that, Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana are currently underway (group stage). I had a few bets last night as River Plate, Racing Club, and Newell's Old Boys all had games...


The only advantage of moving games away from South America is that there may be more fans, as i didn't see any last night. They still don't know what to do @CONMEBOL with two and a half weeks left, huh?

I think it's not easy to move tournament to other location when there is just few week left. But when we live in such crazy times, it's difficult to get surprised.
I think for teams it's not big deal if tournament will be moved to USA. And it's not likely that tournament would be held without spectators. If you watch NBA playoffs or other sports from USA, now they allow spectators and not small numbers. For example, New York Knicks allow to fill up to 75% of arena capacity if I'm not mistaken.

Ok guys, the time has come to start collecting the money for the pool, I wanted to give you as much time as possible.
BTC address where I will be escrowing the funds:
1PUknW57jM21p5WnLCWqFcZw7n1QUUBK63

Buy in for the pool is 1 mBTC = 0.001 BTC or little more than 35$ at the moment, before somebody complains it is a bit high read on about great sponsorship deal we will enjoy :)

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I am pleased to inform all of you that I have secured sponsorship deal with hands down best crypto bookie and my favorite bookie overall - Sportsbet.

1. We will get 20 mBTC (over 700$ at the moment and hopefully much more soon) to boost our pot which sounds great but goodies does not stop there

2. Every participant gets 0.5 mBTC free bet on Sportsbet. Only conditions you have to have Sportsbet account and you have to send me your Sportsbet username along with buy in transaction (want to make it as easy as possible for Steve to award them, if you are very concerned for your privacy maybe you can send your username directly to Steve but I don't see the problem of sharing username). This makes it almost like you are paying just 0.5 mBTC for a month of fun + some great prizes. Surely that is all now?

3. I will also organize weekly competitions for participants only. Rewards will be free bets at Sportsbet. I am open for competition ideas, I was thinking something like, team to score most goals, team which wins with highest margin or player who scores most goals. Details will be announced shortly before Copa starts.

I'll update the OP tomorrow when I have more time and pretty it a little but wanted to share big news with you guys immediately.

^ @Trofo, you did a great job in securing sponsorship for our pool!

With a prize pool of around 30-40mbtc, a bunch of free bets and whatnot, $35 entry fee is nothing imo! It will be awesome if we get at least 15+ participants.

I've already paid and sent you the txid / Sb username via pm.

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In all likelihood, Copa America will remain in Argentina, despite speculations for it to be moved to the United States:

"Argentina presents a “strict protocol” to CONMEBOL to host 2021 Copa America"
source: https://mundoalbiceleste.com/2021/05/27/argentina-presents-a-strict-protocol-to-conmebol-to-host-copa-america-2021/

At the moment, the transaction fees appear to be around $ 12 ... or 33% of the transfer amount. Therefore, I would like to inquire whether payment in USDT or BTC (TRC20)  is accepted? Or we can do it differently ... someone of us who is ready to accept USDT from several people in the end will just make 1 transfer to Trofo's address, (I just want to say that I would rather put that $ 10 in a common pool or tip someone, rather than waste it on a commission).

Don't think that is true. I sent BTC twice today and paid each transaction about 1.5$ and they confirmed inside 3 blocks.

But we can of course do something like you suggested and lower it even more.

Then there is no problem ... I will check the details a little later, but I only said what I saw ^{[https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-transactionfees.html#3m (https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-transactionfees.html#3m)]}

Yes, perhaps of all the options discussed, this one looks the most reasonable [in case of high transaction fees].

It seems to me that this is not such a significant problem, given that in this situation, the conversion will need to be performed only once.

USDT or BTC (TRC20) would be better alternatives but the fees will remain inevitable when the need to convert to mainnet arrives... The best to do now is to send with the lowest (reasonable) fee that you can afford, the competition doesn't underway until mid June which is enough time for it to get confirmed, provided you'll not be needing to make another transaction from the same input/ouput.

@Trofo  

https://i.imgur.com/KXgcKNe.gif
good job
Will send my tx/username over the weekend

that's way too much. I sent a tx earlier today with 40 sats fee, like 3 bucks, and got confirmed in 1 hour  :)  you could go as low as 5-10 sats and it'll get confirmed within 24h or so

By all means try to pool transactions. It helps now to save some money and it also helps to lower the amount of inputs when I dish out the prizes. Easy way to cut transaction costs in half if you are playing both this pool and EURO pool is that you pair up with the buddy and one of you pays fees for both of you in Copa and the other one pays fees for both of you in Euro. I'll probably do it that way with cryptofrka.

If some you have extra chips on SwC poker site I'll take 1000 and pay buy in for you :) Need some money there and P2P transfers are free there.

If you end up paying for your tx just send it cheap and turn on "replace by fee" option. You wait for it to confirm and if it doesn't you raise the fee when date gets near.

You'll do anything to drag me into another pool, won't you? ;D

Ok, count me in here as well. I see the rewards really are great, my only downside is that outside of the top 4 teams I probably don't know more than 3 players per team.
At least I'll follow Copa this season then, I usually skip it until the semifinals.

What can I say, I love playing against local guys which I can beat and then gloat when we meet for beer. big_daddy is not fun since he always kicks our ass :)

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I have created the pool on Superbru and you will get link for joining after sending the the buy in money. Please remember to send me your Sportsbet username (to award free bet) and Superbru username (I have to manually confirm you to pool) in the same PM with tx confirmation. You can also send me the name of your favorite team on the Copa to add a bit flair - check the table in the OP. I'll keep Sportsbet username private and other information will be publicly displayed in the OP.

I am already in the pool since I created the pool even though I did not pay, privileges of being captain :) Don't worry I'll pay same as everybody else just waiting to pool some transactions end eliminate extra fees.

If I forgot something or you have some extra questions let me know guys. Now is the time to make this the best pool ever on this forum.

agree, just sent a fee for the pool, with 3 sats, and it is expected to be confirmed within next block
if you are planning to join the competition, it is probably the best time to pay the fee

@Trofo, I will send you PM as soon as the transaction is confirmed, good to be in, and you managed to get nice sponsorship and prizes (sent you a PM)

regarding third part of the competition, since there are two groups on the Copa, maybe guessing number of goals per group in group stage could be nice to have (player/team to have highest number of goals on the competition could be everyone guessing the same)

Per sponsorship deal we will get additional free bet on weekly basis awarded to winner of that mini competition. So it is only logical that we have a winner once per week. Idea is good but I'll have to check when the games are finishing to see if it is feasible. I will probably lean towards something with shorter time frame.

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Edit: what' s up with all this Uruguay supporting? I expected to see Brazil and Argentina supporters and then all our early birds went for Uruguay :) I guess Suarez and Cavani have a good chance to open any defense even if they have a lot of years on their back.
 

actually, for me it is Forlan time that draws me to Urugvay, and I when sign up to cheer for some team, it is usually long-term commitment :) (shit, I am still Auxxere fan, and rarely follow Ligue1)
for Brasil and Argentina, I was up to Brasil since 90-ties, but more recently, it is equal, do not have any preference between the two

I also like Uruguay. I felt in love with this team in 2010 World Cup. I remember that Diego Forlan was amazing then. And that 1/4 final with Ghana was one of the most memorable games I ever saw. Suarez handball on last minute and missed penalty by Gyan. I also feel sympathy for Uruguay because it's small country with little population - underdogs against Brazil or Argentina.
I think I'm going to pay fee later today when I will be at home. And it's nice sponsorship deal with Sportsbet.io you got @Trofo ;).

Hi Trofo i sent u pm to join but i forgot to tell you my favorite team,
I also cheering for Uruguay, i think everyone wants them to win is because they always shine in this competition.
as they are leading in the alltime winners with 15 titles followed by Argentina 14 titles and  Brazil with 9.
i see them favorites to win because it could be the last time that for Cavani and Suarez to help their county winning one more trophy despite they are still firing all cylinders.
other contenders like Brazil and Argentina on paper they have better chances but they are not very convincing sometimes.

Copa America will move to Brazil https://twitter.com/CONMEBOL/status/1399366306944651264  (glad the whole thing about moving the tourney to the USA was just smoke)

and people from argentina are fuming right now lol  ;D not only because they won't see their NT playing in their home ground, but, to those who don't remember: 2019 Copa America, after losing to Brazil in the semifinal, Messi explicitly said that the refs were biased towards brazil and the whole tournament was fixed so that Brazil would win it, he also said the Conmebol is full corruption

this is gonna be a spicy copa america  :)

It will be spicy for sure. Probably there is a lot of some truth in Messi claim but even if there weren't they would complain about this decision for sure. Just hope football will manage to be main story and not some behind the scenes decisions or bad referee decisions.

We are collecting players nicely, 6 have paid already and I am sure we will reach more than 10 soon, expecting about 15, 20 would be a stretch probably :)

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I have sent PM's to all paid participants who notified me up to now. If I missed you or you don't see your name in OP, let me know. Sponsorship money has arrived to the addy as well. Please remember to send me your Sportsbet and Superbru name in the PM, otherwise don't complain if you miss out on free bet  ;)

On the one hand, for the fans of the Brazilian national team, this is good news ... but two weeks to prepare for the tournament seem unrealistic to me, (not to mention the fact that there is covid in full swing).

I apologize for the delay in answering, but I just forgot to inform you that the registration fee was paid ...

• superbru: icopress
• Favorite team: Brazil
• https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/d15df77c58f89f6174c0116ccff82a05a3ad772368189e8625050eba9a5ee352

Well, moving Copa America to Brazil is really going to make things more spicy. But on the other hand, this thing means that games will be played without spectators. Covid situation in Brazil is one of the worst in the world and from what I saw, now Brazil Serie A clubs are playing in empty stadiums. So, I think that moving tournament to USA would be much better decision.

No problem mate, I don't mind having extra money on the account :) Much better to have extra payments and not know who made them than missing payments.

Finally fellow Brazilian supporter, I got sick of all those La Celeste supporters :) I am actually leaning towards Colombia a bit more but Brazil is my second choice. That being said I don't like them moving Copa to Brazil. They should have picked some country where it can be played with supporters. I believe southern USA states would have been a good compromise in this covid times and another boost to football popularity in USA.

In to win  8)

Hello! Thought I already put my participation but I must be confused with some other... EURO maybe or some.

Uruguay or Colombia is my pick, but this largely because of odds (Uruguay frequent underdog in the big team pools for some reason) but I won't be surprised if Messi finds a way to swansong his way into this extra Copa (yeah, no rules eh).

I'll update here on weekend with payment, Trofo.

I was already thinking I will have to send you a PM since you forgot about us :)

Crazy South Americans, they are playing World Cup qualification games today, just before Copa starts. While Europeans are relaxing, training and playing friendlies to recuperate before EURO.

I’ll join, add me to the list dude.

No official reservation list anymore, just list of paid participants. But I am keeping my own private list of "interested" participants who have not paid yet so I can shoot some PMs if people forget. That list at the moment looks like this:
Trofo
Cryptofrka
buwaytress
jeremypwr
LFC_Bitcoin

I am 99.99% sure all of us from this list will actually pay and participate so that will bring the total number of participants to 14. Getting very close to my projected number of 15.

Yeah, it's almost as if they just want to live up to their crazy reputation ha! Some reasonably disappointing results for some last night (Chile and Uruguay both drawing being the most annoying as I don't like betting handicaps or draws) but seems like we're already getting some clues into how Copa will turn out next week.

Paid my fee;) tx id: f6d2c901903bf71502b251b16b107e543e4f08d6926399ea82df3472225d055a

It's rbf so if for some reason it's unconfirmed by weekend I'll bump fees.

I sent for Trofo and myself just now.

Supporting Argentina, like I have been doing for the last 15 years or so. I'd like Messi and Aguero to win something meaningful with the national team. I think they lost 3 Copa finals, as well as a World cup final.

Brazil must be considered favorites, although I think bookies rate Argentina higher.

^^ it does depend where you want to place a bet, but Brasil is mostly considered as favorite (did not check week ago, maybe it is because of changing venues to Brasil)
Brasil, than Argentina a bit higher, and Uruguay and Colombia at 8/9, Chile s worth notice at 15+, others are safe to miss bets :)

Suarez @6, as top scorers, seems as a good bet, although it will depend on Uruguay success a lot, is there a third place match on Copa?

Yeah, there will be third place game, though, I'm not sure that's must needed thing in such tournament. Ford underdogs, maybe yes, even 3rd place is big achievement, but for favorites who lost semifinal, sometimes it's difficult to find motivation for this game. After all, I hardly can remember 3rd place game which would had stuck in my mind.
Suarez top scorer is interesting bet with good value, I think, worth to try.
It seems that any TV channel won't show Copa America in my country - as always, this tournament don't get enough coverage in Europe. Probably time difference and all attention to EURO is main reasons. So, I will have to use IPTV. I think I saw that BBC will show it?

Both tx confirmed sending PM with joining details in a minute.

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I don't feel like Uruguay will score many goals after their performance yesterday. Why is Cavani not playing for them? I guess he just got a few extra days of rest after playing Europa League final.

regarding 3rd place match, it could make a difference for Uruguay scorers, and Suarez is the one than is motivated in all matches, that was the reason I asked about it, that could be a match with goals
it seems that 4-5 goals could be enough to get best scorers title, and on five/six matches, where one is for third place, that could be important, players within teams that will not go through group phases are clearly harder option for most goals

nevertheless, will think about it, IMO, Suarez has better value than Uruguay to win, although neither is close to be a win

got suspended (red card) last year for two games. I watched their game yesterday and it was probably the most boring game i've seen this year. I don't think Cavani woulda made that big a difference. Uruguay's tactics are too defensive, literally 2 strikers and the rest of the players on defensive roles. Kinda regret supporting uruguay in our pool now 😂

I guess Suarez should be used to that tactics after spending the year in Atletico Madrid  ;D

Just read that some supporter wanted to greet Neymar, slipped and injured him. I think it is probably just click bait but supposedly Neymar limped a little on the way back to hotel.

Urugvay aint got a special team or anything just a normal one. They were close to winning the match overall boring match. But the goal that was scored got denied by VAR even a penalty could have been in the 95th min

it may well be that the brazilian national team will not participate in the copa 2021 :o

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/does-brazil-renounce-copa-america-quot-have-disclosed-their-opinion-to-the-president-quot-/view/news/386512 (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/does-brazil-renounce-copa-america-quot-have-disclosed-their-opinion-to-the-president-quot-/view/news/386512)

Wow, this is something very unexpected, I don't even know what to say. Without Brazil this tournament probably will lose half of value. Imagine if Messi and co will win this trophy, such win without their main rival would be not that much significant.
After all, decision to move Copa to Brazil instead of USA for me initially looked strange and a bit stupid because of pandemic thing there.

i would have moved the copa to the states as well - especially since the whole south american continent has not yet got a grip on the pandemic, from what we hear here from europe :P

That was such an obvious solution to the problem that I can't believe they did not took it. They could have moved the Copa to southern USA states and they would have got:
* much better covid situation
* supporters on stadium
* extra popularization of soccer in USA
* more then ready infrastructure
* no extra tensions between South American teams, wherever you move Copa in South America somebody would get "unfair" advantage and it will result with complaints from their arch rivals

Bump!  ;D

The Brazilian national team is in, they will not boycott the tournament (as of today...lol).

source: https://twitter.com/BrasilEdition/status/1401913940322435077

Yesterday they had their football president Rogerio Caboclo suspended:

"Brazil Soccer President Caboclo Suspended Over Sexual Harassment Allegation"
source: https://www.si.com/soccer/2021/06/07/brazil-federation-president-suspended-rogerio-caboclo

heh! sounds to me like they realized the other team captains were not going to support the boycott 😂
tweet (in spanish) from the argentina football association yesterday https://twitter.com/afa/status/1401582952295849985  they made it very clear they were going to participate in the copa america

Was about time to settle that, must admit I was starting to get a little nervous. Is it also settled that games will be played in Brazil? Still think that is stupid considering covid situation in Brazil.

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Reminder to @jeremypwr and @LFC_Bitcoin, time to pay up guys  ;D, you two are the only one from the "interested list" left that did not already send buy in. Copa starts this Sunday.

Paid

5de3e4875ffb0196ec2d88d06822383ee7924053b908ba1a916c11831612f869

PM me how to join?

I think im IN good luck for all!

That is 14 of us for now and it should be at least 15 in a couple of days. I see you are new to Superbru so feel free to ask any questions here. Most of us in the pool have couple of seasons worth experience predicting results on Superbru so somebody should be able to provide answers to anything :)

bump! thread got buried at the bottom of the 2nd page  ::)

well, the uncertainty surrouding the Copa America is finally gone: Brazilian Supreme Court rules tournament can go ahead (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57438780)

Two more days!

We got to my projected number of 15 players so I let the thread rest a little before the real stuff starts. We have 4 matches in this match day and I am thinking what to do for mini weekly competition. There is no "derby" game at this stage so maybe we should do something for all the games
* predict 1x2 - but that is close to what we are doing in Superbru
* predict number of goals in the games - could be better solution, but hard to get correctly
* predict the number of booking points as under/over and I'll put margins - this one could be juicy and I am leaning towards this
* I'll probably use time of first goal or first card in Paraguay - Bolivia game as tie breaker since it is the last game in this first bunch of games

According to forum posting rules I believe I will have to open another thread in games and rounds for this. I'll make it so I can delete posts and just nuke all the post from freebie hunters that are not part of this pool. Will post link here so don't worry about missing it.

Our first mini competition is live, hurry up and play something:
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Had no input so went with the cards :)

I want to make a selection like 1-3 or 2-4 but it doesn't seem like it will be accepted because of the wrong format?
I don't really understand the format, but I've made it with a 3-4 format because I feel there won't be many cards that come out in the match, but I'm not sure if I should choose 1-2. Lol
Good luck! ;D

It would have been too many similar selections if I allowed for more cards under same selection. I have a feeling there will be lots of cards in COPA. As I said if you guys have good idea, feel free to propose. Those mini competitions during the week are completely under my jurisdiction and we can make them whatever we like.

Just added few more rules to clarify who will be the winner:
I will award each correct card prediction with one point and then use tie breaker to select winner if several users end with same points.
In case even tie breaker is same, then the winner is the one who posted first.

Friendly reminder that the Venezuela NT confirmed yesterday that over 12 players in the squad tested positive for covid19 and they had to call 15 new players for today's debut against Brazil ^[1] (https://www.marca.com/futbol/copa-america/2021/06/12/60c4ce3422601d7e5a8b4605.html). Bolivia confirmed 4 positive cases in the squad^[2] (https://as.com/futbol/2021/06/12/internacional/1623531080_835334.html).

So keep that in mind when making your predictions

let's plan the next one. How about total corners? same format as the yellow cards, 1-2 corners, 3-4 corners, etc

You got it. No point in offering 1-2, I'll go with something like under 5, 6-7, 8-9, 10-11, 12-13, over 14.
I'll start it soon so that we have more time to join. Probably tomorrow. Feel like there will be less than half of us participating in this first one.

Thanks for Venezuela tip, I saw that it isn't possible to even make a bet on Brazil but did not know why :)

@tomahawk9, thanks for sharing news about Venezuela, I wasn't aware about it. Though, probably even with full squad they wouldn't have much chances against Brazil. So, we can expect quite many goals tonight.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to watch Colombia - Ecuador game because it will start too late and it's Monday tomorrow :/. Colombia are favorites, though, I checked H2H results and last time Ecuador won 6:1. How!? Did Colombia missed half of squad because of Covid?

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Too bad I saw this after I locked my prediction at 2-0 if I didn't lock it I would added a goal or two.
A little reminder what's the risk of not locking up prediction on SuperBRU.
From what I remember the results should be accepted right?
The only benefit of locking it I you would be able to see other locked predictions before the start of the games.

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it went straight to a multi at 4.4 odds
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Who else feels exhausted trying to catch every match?  :D

I watched the opening halves of yesterday's matches, and Brazil could have had four or more goals before the break if Richarlison had been a little sharper. Venezuela's absence of so many players will affect them more in their upcoming mathes against Peru and Ecuador than it did against Brazil, they were going to play/defend in their own half regardless.

Colombia/Ecuador's first half was an absolute borefest, at the least the goal for Colombia was one the best trick set pieces i've seen in a long time, you can check it out here if you missed it, it's worth it:

https://youtu.be/Vk4PMYcWbYo?t=75

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Thank you @Trofo for your warm welcome.
My one and only Superbru uid is "SwordsRex", I've joined some other polls with this Id, hope you will add me manually if you have enough time otherwise I will join by myself soon via your invitation link.
I will update my post with Sportsbet user name as soon as I get home.  :)

You misunderstood or I wrote it wrong in PM. You have to use the link I sent you and I have to manually approve you afterwards.

I suggest you send me Sportsbet username in PM since it can be considered somewhat sensitive information. Ie. if you win 1 btc in some promo somebody can connect you trough that username. Not likely, but you never know 😂

Sorry for late reply, Actually I was not at home. You wrote it perfectly, at that time I didn't pay much attention, again sorry for that.

Lol! Why do I smell something like ridicule!  :D
Although I don't really believe in my luck much more, but feeling greedy if your words come true! :D

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Bump

Is anybody actually watching Copa America  ;D No talking about the games here so I guess most of us are sick of football after watching 3 games in EURO every day, I know I am. I just watched first half of some games. Brazil looks very good and they must be first favorites for sure, good thing for our Sportsbet promo @300. Colombia is making a lot of chances but they can't score a goal if they start to convert they could be dangerous as well.

Anyway, we have a winner of our 2nd small competition and I have posted the 3rd one up in that thread. Feel free to double check my work since last time i did not do a very good job.

not only that but the copa america games kick off super late  :D By the time the first game starts, i'm already falling asleep :/  i could barely watch the first half of Argentina - Uruguay last night. Talking about uruguay, they are not showing any signs of improvement, so much quality in the squad and they look cluless on the pitch, the lack of goals is shocking

https://i.imgur.com/wMFHsrU.png
lack of goals, eh? ffs!😑

To be honest, spending 5 hours watching football is a luxury, so for the most part I take beer and watch the latest match, even if it's not the most interesting one. As for the three hundredfold bet, everything is clear with Brazil, but judging by the last two games, I would not say that France is the clear favorite in the Euro, yes, she will leave the group, maybe they will reach the semi-finals, but that's all, (and by the way, I didn't follow tennis at all "300x").

I feel like France is the most risky one in 300 bet. Brazil looks superb, Djoko is heavy favourite, especially after Nadal decided to not play. Barty is no. 1 and grass is her favourite surface so good chances as well.

We are really spoiled with all the choices at the moment. It is difficult to watch all the sports available. My time is split between Euro and tennis. COPA is just too late at night and I am dead tired by the time it starts. My maximum is first half of the first game so far.

Just went on couple of days holiday, place where I booked is making their own wine and I have two hundred liters barrels to use free of charge. One white wine and one red. If I am not making sense next few days you guys know the reason   ;D

Nope, I have football overload from the Euros. Copa is late in the evening so I will skip the group stage, will probably watch only the final - unless Brazil - Aggentina or something like that happens in the semis or even earlier.

I saw that Argentina beat Uruguay yesterday but looking at their lineup, I think they won't go that far. Brazil looks a clear favorite to me.

Ecuador is the favorite for the game against Venezuela, an opponent within reach and conditioned in this first phase of Copa America by a high number of players not able to play due to coronavirus. On paper, this looks like an easy game to win but I wouldn't be so sure that's gonna be like it. I have a safe both teams to score on the match.

Ecuador was very good before COPa started but they lost their form. Venezuela is missing 12 players due to covid and is now playing super defensively. According to stats, did not see them play actually. Don't think both to score is a safe bet here I am skipping this one  :)

My main issue is very late kick-off time of Copa America games. It's not that easy not to fall asleep during first game of matchday, I'm not even talking about later game. Though, during Wolrd Cup 2014 in Brazil I remember watching footbal whole night, whole month and I had maybe 4-5 hours of sleep each day :D. And as said above, we have overload of football after 3 games of EURO every day - 6 hours watching football per day is already a lot. Today there were less games, so I'm going to watch Copa tonight, despite that Ecuador - Venezuela doesn't sounds very exciting.
And I'm the only one who don't feel vibe of this tournament when calendar of games isn't that intensive in comparison with EURO.

Wow your prediction is accurate even Ecuador almost won this match unfortunately Ronald Hernandez scored in the 90th+ minute and the goal that saved Venezuela from defeat
Next up is Ecuador against Peru and Brazil I don't know how this match ends whereas Ecuador only got 1 point so far looks like they're going out

same here, it is simply too much football, and it is summer
maybe that would be good for winter, but I actually missed a lot of matches during last week

regarding Copa, Argentina surprised me to win over Uruguay, expected more from that match, and missed almost all other matches due to late start, will watch more in final stage, especially if Uruguay manages to go through group stage (which I expect, to be honest)

Uruguay is a big disappointment for me. A team with Suarez and Cavani in attack should be able to score a goal or two in every game and best bet on Uruguay lately was - not to score :)

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Nope, not watching the games. Way too late for me. I'm old now and even the last EURO game is a bit of a chore for me (as have to get up in the next 6 hours).

Not bored of football at all, would watch Copa if easy and not so bloody late haha.

RIP my Colombia, by the way. I might as well bet against Suarez tonight, the way he and Cavani aren't playing...

Anyone watching today's exciting match?
Argentina vs Paraguay, a breathtaking match ended a while ago. A tug-of-war worked throughout the match.

Full time
Argentina 1-0 Paraguay
Goal: Gomez
Assist: De Maria
By today's win, Argentina confirmed the quarter-final of Copa-America.  :)

Congratulations @PLGuru(7.5) & @Trofo(6)

A successful victory:  ;D
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its a shame that this goal disallowed for Offside it was clear it was an Own goal by Junior Alonso but VAR ruled it out.
i had 2-0 prediction for the pool.
this round have been unpredictable for me 2nd worse.
The good thing is that scores are still bit close and the mini competitions have been keeping this pool interesting thanks to Trofo getting us Sportsbet.io as our kickass Sponsor.

I think they called it off on the initial shot by Di Maria, Messi was sorta in the middle making it hard for the goalie to see the ball, and he was offside.

https://i.ibb.co/pRGmZ3d/fgsgfswrg.jpg
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I feel so ashamed to be in these pools nowadays. Totally entrenched near the bottom, as always;) But nice going guru and Trofo, as per usual! Colombia kicking me in the teeth all the time now, even Venezuela, I suppose I deserve it for taking an outright on Brazil...

Hopefully can watch semis and the final, I've missed every game so far and desperately want to gorge on football this weekend. Another Brazil-Peru final???

I managed to squeeze in first half of 1 Brazil game and 1 Colombia game in my busy schedule. Nowhere near as much as I would have liked but hopefully I'll watch something in these days when EURO is taking a break.

My money and prediction is on Peru taking something from the game tonight. Ecuador has not impressed me so far.

I will start watching the matches from the quarterfinals, for now I also focused on the Euro (it's a pity but no one has made a worthy competition for Brazil so far). Sometimes it even seems to me that top football players dream of changing their citizenship in order to take part in the Euro ... btw, my results are not as bad as in the Euro pool, the main thing is not to give up positions, (at least I'm not disappointed considering this is my first experience).

@icopress I don't think I've ever won any of the pools, any prize places, so you can be assured if you're even a bit above average you've got a good chance as plenty of people like me giving free money for pools haha. Freebets since SB started sponsoring have been great though.

Brazil do look like they're inevitably going to the final don't they?

Tempted to watch Uruguay match tonight, they've got to be scoring now surely?

If they don't score tonight they deserve to drop out from the group which is virtually impossible. Copa has a format where only last team from the group goes home which allows for rather boring group stage. If you are a favorite like Brazil you could literally let the youngsters play and keep your first 11 for knockout stages.

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New Sportsbet free bet mini competition is up, as I said there I am running out of ideas so feel free to propose something. If you don't have any ideas at least let me know which one was the best for you or worst so I know which ones to repeat :)

It is about time for group stages to end and real stuff begins. I am expecting much more passion, fouls and controversy in the later stages as usual with South Americans.

Not sure how many more mini-competitions have you guys planned, maybe do the corners and yellow cards once more, i personally liked those two. I would skip anything related to 1X2, O/U, and correct scores going forward...since we are competing against each other, we don't want to give away our leans.  Anyway, a tight race so far, unironically one single exact score can shoot you up from 10th to 1st place and there are not that many matches left (12 to be exact), man it's going to be a wild finish.

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What's the probability of Maxi Gomez scoring in this situation (t'was the last minute of added time @2:0)? Penalties have xG of 0.76, this should be at least and close to 0.99, right?  It's basically a penalty without the goalkeeper. ;D

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As per our sponsorship deal with Sportsbet I can award up to 2 mBTC per week on our side competitions for as long as Copa lasts. We had roughly 2 competitions per week each paying 1 mBTC so far. When we get to knockout stages depending on number of games per week maybe I'll do just one with better rewards.

Point taken about 1x2 and O/U, I'll avoid those going forward. Don't think it was an issue so far but it could become one especially as we are going to the end of competition and every point becomes more important.

@Trofo  Some suggestions for the next freebet promo: 'First team to score', or 'Type of 1st goal in every match',  'Total number of yellow cards in all 4 matches combined', 'total shots on target by X + Y team'.

c'mon, people, share your suggestions. Don't be shy  ;D

Like them all except Type of the first goal. That one can be tricky to judge sometimes so I will avoid it. You think you included everything and then happens a shot which gets deflected and somebody feels cheated no matter what. Or guy scores a goal with his knee or shoulder. Does not happen often but happens when you don't need it :)

I used to play next goal header couple of years ago on a regular basis and I can tell you a header after corner very often gets deflected or the attacker catches the ball with his head and shoulder or some combination and you never feel good waiting for the bookie to judge the situation.

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Top 3 after 4 matches in round 5, congratulations @DIA7 and @hahay

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All the matches of the group stage are over. Argentina is top of Group A with 10 points ✌️. Brazil is top of Group B with 10 points.

I am an Argentine supporter, when Argentina drew the first match, many of my friends said that Argentina would not be able to get the top spot in Group A, and Argentina plays defensively. So, They can't score more than 1 or 2 arrows but yesterday they beat Bolivia 4-1 8). Those who have watched the match have been able to enjoy Messi's extraordinary magical goal.

On the other hand, Brazil is the most favorite team in Copa America, but there is no shortage of talented players in their squad. They have won the first 3 matches. They drew the last match against a weak team like Ecuador (In this match, I lost my bet). From what I saw in Brazil's match against Ecuador, I realized that Brazil's attack is not very strong without Neymar. If Neymar is injured later, then the victory against the strong team of Brazil will be difficult.

Today Argentina beat Bolivia by 4-1.Lionel Messi scored 2 goals.
On quarterfinal Argentina will play with Ecuador.
I think this time Argentina has a great chance to win the Copa America Cup.
What do you think??

Yes, thank you very much. But I don't think the stats are that important and in fact, I hardly ever check my progress for each round. Because even though in this round it looks good but still, in the leaderboard I'm still far below. :D
Regarding Argentina and Brazil I personally still support Brazil but to be honest, at this moment the match becomes more difficult to predict maybe because of the pandemic situation.
By the way, congratulations to you, who are still at the top of the leaderboard.

https://i.imgur.com/N4H2HMZ.jpg
https://copaamerica.com/en/news/quarterfinals-confirmed-conmebol-copa-america-2021/

Road to the Final for Brazil looks like a piece of cake. Argentina looked superb in the group stage so i don't see them having issues in the knockout stage (unless the mandatory argentinian choke kicks in early lol). Brazil - Argentina in the legendary stadium of Maracana. Epic

Brazil really has open road to final. I have a feeling Argentina will manage to loose in the semi-finals. It will be a tough low scoring draw against Uruguay/Colombia and then losing on penalties.

It seems to me that the Brazilian players are bored to play in this tournament ... and while Argentina has a good line-up, they don't look brilliantб, (hopefully in the near future we will see more tension than there was in the group stage matches). I will not deny that my opinion may be subjective, given that I equate the game of the Argentinean national team to the times of Maradonna and that I am not a fan of Barça.  ;D

I posted new competition and after hitting send I realized I sort of dropped the ball on this one :) Still think it is not a big problem but if you guys pick "no goal option" you are actually giving away your predicted final score. Or maybe just messing with others  8)

For instance I went with "no goal" in the contest and put 1:1 in Superbru for Uruguay match.

Finally I didn't forgot to post my prediction in competition :D.
On paper Brazil - Chile sounds like a good game, but Chile don't look good so far and I doubt that Brazil will have issues.
Uruguay - Colombia sounds like most interesting game. And my random prediction that Paraguay - Peru will be boring game which will come to extra time and maybe penalties.

To be honest, I'm a little surprised that people predict a huge number of yellow cards in the free betting contest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5343554.new;topicseen#new) ... 20+ cards in 4 games, seriously? While you guys may know something that I don't know, even my 12-cards prediction seems a bit exaggerated to me, ^{[I understand that this tournament is more dynamic, but still]}.

The thing with the cards in copa is that there is good probability that at least one of the games will end with half of the players booked. For instance if we see an ugly start early in the game then South Americans take revenge for that. Then you get revenge on revenge and a nice fight to top it off a after a couple of revenge starts. Seen it often enough when stakes are lower.....

Im expecting a final between Argentina and Brazil if some surprises dont come. Chile looks really bad this year and i dont think they have a much chance in this match. Uruguay is also fighting hard to score they play good but Cavani has been struggling the entire tournament so far

south americans get a little more aggressive during international games :D it's extremely unlikely that a match over there finishes without a single player getting booked, something very, very likely to happen in the Euro for example. It's like part of the football culture in south america, intense, fierce and aggressive football

check out the cards stats in the Copa America 2019 here (https://www.transfermarkt.com/copa-america-2019/startseite/pokalwettbewerb/C19A), TL;DR: an avg of 5 cards per game

you can even check the total booking odds in your favorite bookie. No way you'll find good value in under 2.5/over 1.5 cards, pretty much everyone expects a bloodbath (not literally, you know what i mean lol)

Trofo, Btw, my searches for the situation you mentioned were unsuccessful ... But, this is really a discovery for me ... and the point is not even that until this year I did not track COPA America, but that I held a parallel with the European championship, (but I will still hope that in the end I will be right with my prediction).

You could be right with your prediction, nobody knows what will happen. We are just pointing out that hot South American blood which can lead to lots of cards and even fights more often then in Europe. Sometimes there is very little needed, I remember one Brazil game when Neymar did a couple of unnecessary and maybe a little bit disrespectful dribbles and after that he was on his back every time he got the ball. They just changed the player who was marking him every time previous one got yellow card.

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Peru is the first semi-finalist, winning on penalties in a game that had six goals and two red cards. I hope you guys stayed late to watch it, it was well worth it. Possibly the best one so far, first match in this tournament that mattered, but don't get me started on the format we had this year, 20 matches just to eliminate two teams who were missing half of their players due to covid. Anyways, Peru should have won in regulation imo, but they gave up an easy goal from a corner with a man up, followed by a last-minute equalizer. Paraguay clearly missed having Almiron in their lineup, he was their best player in the previous matches...

I'm glad they went back to having no extra time after 90 minutes and instead we go straight to penalties, it's refreshing, plus it's 1 point for those of us who had the game as a draw ;D...not sure if the draw would've held the way these guys play defense. lol

The classic confrontation between Brazil and Argentina, it would be a good match, but Argentina for me this year does not look like a very strong team and I think that Uruguay could give them a good competition. As for Brazil, I hope they make it to the final. The game against Chile was very difficult for Brazil, they had to play in the second half of the match outnumbered after removal, which of course is very difficult for the whole team.

So talking about hot blood south americans, first game yesterday had 8 yellow cards. 2 of those were 2nd yellows. Then in second game Jesus had a start like he watched Bruce Lee movie to prepare for the match. Did you guys ever see Jesus make a strong start in Europe? Copa brings the most emotions and rivalry from these guys and over cards or red cards are always just waiting to happen.

heh! for those missed it https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1411129853571735558

and yeah, as expected, it was a yellow card festival last night, could've gone with Total Bookings pts in a few single bets but i won two (https://i.ibb.co/nb9Pc0B/98adsf7.png) similar tickets earlier and called it a day

Later today, one hell of a match, Uruguay - Colombia. It might be another game with a lot of bookings. Their last meeting in 2020 had 5 yellow cards and a red card. Hmm 🤔

Copa America semi-finals we got:
Peru vs Brazil
Colombia vs Argentina
For me this is one of the best championships where Messi played with Argentina if not the best in terms of fighting, desire, influence and the numbers he is getting.
If Argentina is destined to win the championship, it is definitely Leo’s championship and if you lose the championship it will definitely be Because there weren't enough players to help him at crucial moments.

Fun fact to think about. Messi is now without contract at Barca and can sign for whichever club he wishes. Is it possible that this has freed him in some way and he is now performing better than ever? It has been long time since he had to "prove" his quality in order to get better contract or maybe it is just the freedom that suits him.

Ahh man, those Superbru wankers were handing out slam points for the meaningless group stage matches only and not the quarter-finals.

I thought we would get one, this is such a bummer, especially since we had two draws. Bad Superbru, baaad Superbru!  ;D

Does anyone know if the third-place match will be included, or it's just the semis and the final?

Depends on Copa format. Is there third match play off?

Slam points are awarded after you get 6 correct results (maybe some other number) so it is impossible to get them when you get to stages where there is less games then threshold for slam points. That is why these kind of competitions usually get resolved during group stage.

New competition is up. I went with something different this time around, hope you guys like it.

source: https://www.superbru.com/copaamerica/how_to_play.php#tab=scoring

We have different scoring for Copa America, rounds 1 to 5 also had 4 matches, just like the quarter-finals, but apparently no slam points here. Btw, someone from the general standings has 4 slam points... :o


According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Copa_Am%C3%A9rica_knockout_stage), there is one, 9th July @Estádio Nacional Mané Garrincha.

you guys have any active bets for the game tonight? i booked this one @4.5

https://i.imgur.com/KQgTcyR.png

i'm surprised to see Peru moneyline at 15 odds, are they playing with the reserve team or something? i know they're playing against brazil, but, c'mon now  ::)

Whoops, sorry, I knew I forgot about the mini contest haha.

And yes, third place for Copa (not for EURO) I answered that myself some time back...

And yes, toma, I was surprised myself. I booked one at around 173/10 on Fairlay (https://fairlay.com/market/brazil-vs-peru-146/?referral=2130e697-c138-436a-a753-de8ca2436301), though I did notice it was even 18/1++ at Sportsbet, and I bet you there's a super boost for whoever's waiting -- 20/1 is too good to ignore.

I mean man, these were the last finalists! Yes Brazil hammered them in the end, but you know, draws, penalties. That sort of thing lives and breathes in LatAm football;)

Peru really have done much in this tournament for me to take a risk on them, even If I'd agree that the odds is a too much, I think it is also justifiable.

The odds is currently at 16, I'll be going with Over 2.5 instead, because I don't see an upset happening.

Thanks for reminder about competition. I thought that both games will be played tomorrow.
Personally, I expect Brazil to reach comfortable win. For Argentina it's not going to be easy, but I hope to see Brazil - Argentina final.
But when I look at schedule, final will be played so late in the night from Sunday to Monday. Why not to play on Saturday, especially because there will be no EURO games. They probably forcus on South America people, but their schedule is one of reasons why Copa is so poorly covered in Europe.

Brazil set their place in the final, according to statistics, match was not that bad, although just one goal in the end (haven't watch it)

now, more interesting duel between Argentina and Colombia, my bet is with Colombia, both teams played some mixed football during the competition that was highly "just for fun" up to QF, and Colombia kicked-out Uruguay, in a match that is similar to "what to expect tonight", and there is more value in x2, than Argentina to win

The only bet I was considering (other than my failed Peru upset) was a Brazil win to nil and Neymar to score but the odds were ridiculously low (4/1 with a boost). Glad I didn't take it. Copa is tight af it looks but I guess we will see the Brazil/Argentina dream match up... unless I just jinxed Argentina by saying that;)

Colombia was my pre-tourney pick though, would be cool if they got through too.

Value bet here is agreed. Colombia ML or Argentina -1.5 (haha).

I join ... despite the fact that Neymar still scored a couple of three goals in this tournament, the chances that he will score the first goal were really not promising. By the way, does anyone know about the Superbu ranking process? I see that one guy bypassed me, but at the same time he has the same number of points as me. I mean, in the event of a tie, how will the winner be determined?, (I remember Trofo mentioned this but I can't find this post).

One of the most common questions about SuperBru, and don't worry, easy to find. In any pool, just click on leaderboard (https://www.superbru.com/copaamerica/pool.php?p=12340360&tab=leaderboard#tab=leaderboard) and scroll all the way to the bottom, the rules for each specific pool is there (they're generally the same).

In summary, you go head 2 head and rank first on: # correct outcomes, then exact, then close. As I've mentioned before, this system actually doesn't reward exacts, so I should bloody well learn to side with expected outcomes=)

Thank you, you reassured me ... in any case, Argentina will play today with a margin of two goals and I will finally stop worrying. ;D

Interesting fact: I am the last in the Euro pool, but I am the first in the COPA America pool. ::)

It seems to me that a bet in favor of the expected result makes sense only at the final stage of the tournament, since if you enter the prize pool you only need to hold your position, (it makes sense to resort to ambiguous forecasts only at the group stage).

No sharing of the prizes*. I just award prizes as per Superbru ranking. There are some tie breakers implemented and buwaytress told you how to check them, but that is why we are using Spuperbru so that I don't have to check all that stuff :)

This time tie breakers are actually more important then ever since there are a lot of us inside couple of points. As usual, let the luckiest bastard win  ;D

*Prize will be shared only if players are tied for the rank after all tie breakers are implemented. That is shown on Superbru as
1.xxxxx
   yyyy
3.zzzzz

If prizes were paid right now there would be no sharing of the prizes.

Colombia had their chances, could even say were better on the pitch, but Argentina booked the ticket for final with Brazil, on a penalty shot-out
it is hard to win it two times in a row, so Colombia used their card with Uruguay

nevertheless, value bet proved to be good, and match came as a draw

Brazil and Argentina in the final, I do not have preference for the winner

Nevertheless we will see in the final of the classic confrontation between Brazil and Argentina. Perhaps this is the best option that could happen, it will attract the attention of a large number of people. In this final I see the perk of Brazil, although both teams are of a very high level and each equally deserves to win.

Only final that could have happened. Both Brazil and Argentina showed their quality from the beginning while other favourites like Uruguay played poor. Colombia was ok but they missed so many chances during this competition, a bit strange with the profile of strikers they have.

If you guys have some idea for our final competition, please share. Otherwise I will go with something like corners & cards plus maybe some player markets. Definitely nothing that can give hints towards superbru prediction.

another Clasico in a Copa America final. It's gonna be a legendery match, folks. Argentina - Brazil, Messi vs. Neymar, the conmebol couldn't be happier lol

4th final for Messi. Imagine if he wins his first major trophy with the NT against no other than Brazil in Maracana Stadium...Imagine  :o  are they going to allow ppl into the stadiums? anyone knows?

couple of suggestions: '1st team to get X number of corners', 'most shots on target, messi or neymar?'. Btw, there will be extra time in the final, do you want to include it in the last competition?

^ I've never really paid attention, but maybe one aspect could be teams with most passes completed? I don't know how quickly or easily Copa stats on individuals can be gained but maybe not a good idea if stats-collecting isn't fast.

But if it's common markets, then we should go for HT FT results, Extra Time yes? Penalties yes? That's 4 options easy to say yes/no to.

Bonus can be Penalty Shootout score prediction (if PK happens).
OOOXO
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Boring I know but hey.

Your first 2 ideas are a bust mate  :) Passes completed is something I am not sure where to check so I am skipping it. I will stick to markets that are easy to check. Your second idea must be avoided since it is a last game and our pool is really close. Every point is important and those choices would give up way too much data to competition

Your third idea looks like fun, I just don't know how to implement it but will think about it and try to include it in some form.

These are easy to implement so they will be part of competition most likely.

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Messi taking a major national trophy on Maracana in Brazil, that would be something for sure and something which will motivate Brazilians even more. Not that they need extra motivation when playing Copa final against Argentina  ;)

I doubt that they will allow spectators to attend game. It's sad because they would make this final even more epic. Imagine Brazil - Argentina in full Maracana.
It's a bit sad that game will be played so late on Sunday - it's not best time for us in Europe. But I think it's not big deal to sacrifice sleep for such game.
Personally, I hope that Messi finally will win trophy with national team. If he will lose again, it would be huge hit for him.

Hey guys, i have some great news. Sportsbet has allocated me significant boost for the last mini competition. We are talking 10 mBTC cash plus another 10 mBTC free bets. There will be 2 competitions, one as usual and one Argentina flavoured since Steve is a big supporter. I am open to ideas. For now I intend to have 2 or 3 winners per competition. Today is the day for brainstorming and competition will be live tomorrow morning.

@tomahawk9, counting on at least you to give some feedback but hope to hear from the others as well. We have  to be careful to avoid 1x2, under/over goals and correct score markets because of our pool.

Be sure to check the other thread tomorrow.

great news, would like to suggest a few competitions, that are more "roulette"
for example - kick-off (coin-toss winner), first shot on target, first shot off-target, first card, first corner, first substitution, or regarding players - Fabinho to start the match, Di Maria to start the match

some of these are easy to check, and could be interesting
I am on the bottom in the pool, and do not have preference between Brazil and Argentina, so not that much interested in final score, just good football

Colombia 19/10 a good pick tonight? Could be 2/1 with a boost later on? Or am I just fantasising. 3rd placed games usually very exciting, at least in my memory. Nothing to lose left =)

Another suggestion that could be used:
1st to get yellow card
1st to get corner
1st to use sub
1st to offside
Last to offisde
Last to use sub
Last to get yellow card
Last to get corner

Or, make it a race: 1st to 3 corners, 2 yellow, 2 subs, 2 offsides.

With a tiebreaker of pick minute of 1st corner/card?

Amazing news thanks SB and you Trofo!.

I think maybe shots on target for teams? or total shot?
red card in the match or not?

Guys, why don't we go the BetBuilder route? ^[screenshot] The winner is determined by the highest won odds (let's say the bet should consist of at least three of any combinations). I don't think that it is a problem for each of us to place a bet, say, in the amount of 0.02 mBTC ^{[this is the minimum allowed rate]}, especially considering that even with a relatively small coefficient, you can win (if the combinations of other participants do not work).

I don't like it since it will probably reveal a lot in terms what results we are expecting and that is last game in our superbru pool. And I am quite sure half of the people in the pool don't have money on their sportsbet accounts  :D

Our group is already very small so I will keep it without additional demands as it was announced in the beginning. Somebody would have felt hard done for sure.

Maybe we should go for most free kick won , goalkeeper saves, total number of passes, and add the usual most cards and most corner kicks.

The lack of dust on the account seems to me a rather strange phenomenon, given that for some reason it seemed to me that all the participants in our pool are regulars at Sportsbet. In any case, it doesn't matter ... because the thought occurred to me that because the amount is not significant, the winning bet in the end may turn out to be an absolutely absurd combination. Returning to the discussion ... what about "How the 1st goal will be scored" + "Number of corners in the first half" + "Both Teams To Score In The Second Half" + something that buwaytress suggested.

I think I have more than enough for regular competition now, Argentina flavoured one will be tougher to organize. I will probably just resort to repeat some markets. For example total corners in regular and Argentina corners in other one.

They will allow fans at least for the final, with the Copa this year, you simply don't know anything until the very last minute. lol

10% ain't much but it's better than nothing, certainly better than fox1 artificial crowd noises.  ;D

source: https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/rio-allow-some-spectators-copa-america-soccer-final-2021-07-09/

^ There's bound to be fans at the final, whether they let them in or not haha! Funny thing now I'm reading about a LOT of Brazilians apparently rooting for Argentina -- normally it's so strange, much as I have so many complaints against my country, can't see myself not supporting it. I do get it though, a lot of anger from Brazilians towards their own country, hosting Copa with all the problems going on right now.

Who's staying up for Argentina Brazil? Wish I were but have been ill past two days.

I am thinking about it for sure, if it were 2 hours earlier I would have watched for sure.

Screw that last minute Colombia goal. I had a draw in our pool and expected big things, now I am out of the paid places for the first since beginning with just one game to go on.

Working on challenges now, should be up in half an hour tops.

good luck today everyone. Top 3 in our pool is still possible for at least 10 users i think, although most of us are gonna need those at the top of the leaderboard to mess up their last prediction tonight

man, the amount of ppl who missed out on the free bets competitions is crazy, not sure if they didn't know or simply didn't care. Either way, bump in prizes for the last competiton is pretty hefty (thank u Steve and SB), let's see if they show up tonight. Btw, great job organizing every competition, Trofo 👍

Looking forward to hearing the argentines chanting the famous shit on brazil (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOGFENyGJM) song (lyrics at the beginning "brazil tells me how it feels, to have your daddy at home" and later it goes "maradona is bigger than pelé"...lovely lol) OR fans talking shit the players like this dude (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYtvpLNwF9s) (in spanish obviously, the guy is rambling about how the players have BMW's, sleep in 5 star hotels and have $3k boots, but ultimately can't play for shit 😂)

get well soon

game is a must-watch, no way i'm gonna miss it (:

It's been a very close contest, although I'm practically out of the first few spots and would need a miracle to claim one.


This is a match I wouldn't want to miss either, but I'm yet to be able to watch one game live all tournament long, the tournament isn't aired in my country and I've tried to stream online a couple of times but couldn't find one, all I get is this endless ads links after clicking.

@Trofo I've thrown in my hat in this final one;) Thanks for organising this and I think it was a great idea to open it only for pool participants!

@toma: yeah I missed out on all the past ones, as seriously have been so busy and/or sick with work and study, really bad last 6 weeks, every time I reminded myself, I forgot (plus the games come on so late!) but not missing this final one;) If I can risk my health, I'll sleep early and wake up too, I mean, 3 Liverpool players plus Messi on the same pitch, the last time that happened, was one of my happiest memories;)

Trofo: you're the best.

Thanks guys, means a lot since it takes some time, coordination and responsibility to pull it off. It is very easy and I love to do it when I have the time but then comes the day when competition ends and I have to grade it and of course it is the busiest day in the week for me :)

Planing to do same with the La Liga and Serie A competitions next seasons.

@buwaytress, hope you will get well soon man

A bit more than 30 minutes left until final and I still haven't fall asleep :D. I haven't saw many games of Copa, but I simply can't miss such final. It's great to see that there will be some fans in stadium. No doubts that I'm rooting for Argentina in this final, I hope that Messi will win his first major international trophy with Argentina.
I missed it myself several times. I simply thought that I will leave my predictions later and when I remembered about it, games was already in play. Really appreciate what Trofo and Steve have done.
Speaking about our pool, everyone is so close to each other, but situation can't be different when there is so few games in tournament.

Maradona passed away just 7 months ago

Argentina wins its first major trophy in almost 30 years. Against no other than Brazil in Maracana. 3rd most important win for them after the 2 WC

Messi's first big win with the NT. Crying of happiness on the pitch. Legendary

Neymar. Burst out crying after the final whistle. Crushed. One of Brazil's most devastating defeats in their history

There's some hidden poetry in there i tell you. Shit game, though 😂 until the last 10 minutes

Congrats to the pool winners. And thanks Sportsbet for sponsoring the pool. Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna sleep all day lol

For the first time in my life, I've seen Argentina win an international title. I am happy because Messi has won the trophy. At least no one would refuse to call him a legend for the trophy anymore. :)


This is the biggest victory of Messi's life for his country. Messi has done well in all the past Copa America matches but today he has missed a lot of shots. Maybe it's because of his extra stress. But I feel bad for Neymar, he tried hard to make a goal, Argentine defenders have repeatedly resisted him.

Congrats to the winners, send me your BTC addresses and you will get your deserved rewards. Damn, we "regulars" got our asses handed to us, will have to be better next time around.
1. darxiaomi
2. Swordsoffreedom
3. vd309

I'll start grading our complimentary competition now.

I'm so happy for Messi that he finally won trophy with his national team. Though, it wasn't good game for him and whole tournament was nothing special for him. That Di Maria goal - what a pass by Rodrigo de Paul!
And final game wasn't most exciting. Dirty football, lot of fouls and yellow cards. But it was difficult to expect something different.
Congrats to our pool winners - @darbit, @SwordsRex and @MoSala.
I think that Maracanzo in 1950 or 7:1 to Germany in 2014 was more painful, but yeah, it hurts to lose final in home soil against main rival.

I'll try to rustle up my side of things too, to pad up what SB may offer, and make it even more worthwhile for people... just a bit tough getting things up to speed, but yeah, it'd be so cool to see these competitions look similar, with side games going on for participants. If you need help on the side for calculating and maintaining, we'll do our best, but I think you're doing great. These things to take time to take hold, but I think perseverance is key;)

@toma there's definitely a lot of poetry in Latin America, and sadly, more tragedy than joy, everything seems to be bittersweet even with victories involved. Just seeing the pics from the win was good for me though, and yeah the game seemed pretty shit itself otherwise.

And I know it's because they didn't start Bobby, Alisson and Fabs -- Tite made a wrong call there;)

Thanks for the pool again Steve and Trofo, and well done to all you winners. Nice to see new names! As predicted, I end up bottom of the pile, but hey, I did well in the final side competition when I actually bothered making a pick, didn't I?;)

You offered now go into the other thread and confirm my calculations or tell me if I screwed something up :) I don't mind doing it especially when reward is 1 mBTC, if I make a mistake I can easily just pay out from my pocket but when it is 20 mBTC on the line like today better somebody double check before I contact Sportsbet.

I am really feeling bad for not watching the COPA final, but I decided to get my beuty sleep and watch Wimbledon final and EURO final today.

Finally the missing piece for Lionel Messi after heartbreaks on four other different occasions, I don't know what else he could have done should he have lost this one again... The game wasn't an all entertaining one but the nerves were really high in the last 15 minutes.

Congratulations to all winners! and Special kudos to Sportsbet for the host and goodies, then Trofo for organizing this in such a smooth fashion see you all in the next comp right ?

Congratulations to @darxiaomi & @vd309, both of you played well man.

I’m so grateful for @Trofo's contribution, to say thank you is not enough, where we could not participate in the free bet competition regularly due to our personal work but @Trofo has taken a lot of pressure to manage our pool+free bet competition. I'm waiting to join with new pool organized by you.  :)

Thank you @Steve and Sportsbet for sponsoring our pool and giving us a lot of free bets (though I missed it last time).  :)

Thank you, everyone, all of you have made this competition neat and clean, we didn't have much of a difference between each other's points, everyone played well. :)

Hi to all!

Amazing tournament and amazing competitions i cant wait to another!

Tomahawk i think you are Argentinian? Because you know little things like details and songs.

Thanks again Trofo for you effort and SB also for put more money in the competition.

I dont writte a lot because i dont have a lot of time and because we are celebrating the cut of 28 years of no win.

Payments have been sent to the winners. I used a fee on lower end so it could take some time but it should confirm latest during the night. We had one user joining late so I had 1 mBTC more to work with which resulted with some extra dust for 2nd and 3rd place a full prize for first place (no tx fee).

And I got hell of a lucky, tx confirmed inside first block while I was writing this  ;D Seems I picked right mining pool to accelerate it. Side contest prizes should be paid out tomorrow.

 I confirm! I received the rewards! Mega thanks

Congrats for the winners, I was far behind in this pool since day one.
I didn't make even make my prediction in the last match didn't matter anyway because I would chosen Brazil to win,
But atleast I win in the grand prize in the Final Competitions that was equal to 3rd place finish so I would like to thank Sportbet and Trofo for Organising and making this pool fun with the free bets and giving more them half of the pools pot,

Looking forward to more of these pools, there will be a month until we get leagues starting again so plenty of time to organise new pools.

Well, firstly, despite the fact that my favorite was the Brazilian national team, I am happy for Argentina, since they really have not won for a long time. I also join in congratulations ... although a little sad, because I also scored the same points as MoSala, but it turned out to be even more ridiculous that we both blindly made the same predictions, so in any case, I would not have been able to overtake him.  :D

https://i.imgur.com/D0w7ZWx.png

Don't worry there will be pools for next season as well. I will be running La Liga and Serie A like last season, already started talking with some sponsors and I plan to take the pools online in a week or two. There will also be Premier League and Champions League pools for sure. That should be enough even for most degenerate gamblers.

Term degenerate gamblers is used with positive stance here and I include myself among them :)

wanted to show you a very nice caricature showing the comparison of what L. Messi won with fc barcelona and what he won with the argentine national team
i am sure that winning the copa has a very very high value for him and he is finally happy to have won a title with the national team as well
it was the same with CR7 when he won the euro with portugal in 2016

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6scXmuXIAUCZ_l?format=jpg&name=small
https://twitter.com/11vs11art/status/1417360621838868485 (https://twitter.com/11vs11art/status/1417360621838868485)

A good comparison, but when it comes to club and national team careers, Messi isn't the only one worth mentioning. Not to mention the fact that Argentina's national team has not won the A'Cup for 26 years ... and God knows how long has passed since the W'Cup was won. I mean, since 2005, Messi won the trophy for the first time playing for the national team, playing 150 matches while Maradona played 90 matches and won twice the W'Cup and twice the A'Cup. :P