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Title: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on September 16, 2021, 09:01:44 AM A couple of people have requested this info so here are the report statistics going back as far as they're available:
Period Jun 25 - Jul 25 2016. In this period, 5182 reports handled as good, 398 handled as bad, 223 unhandled. Period Jul 25 - Aug 24 2016. In this period, 4623 reports handled as good, 352 handled as bad, 270 unhandled. Period Aug 24 - Sep 23 2016. In this period, 4212 reports handled as good, 441 handled as bad, 115 unhandled. Period Sep 23 - Oct 23 2016. In this period, 4440 reports handled as good, 404 handled as bad, 165 unhandled. Period Oct 23 - Nov 22 2016. In this period, 4725 reports handled as good, 397 handled as bad, 265 unhandled. Period Nov 22 - Dec 22 2016. In this period, 4759 reports handled as good, 459 handled as bad, 395 unhandled. Period Dec 22 - Jan 21 2017. In this period, 5479 reports handled as good, 390 handled as bad, 353 unhandled. Period Jan 21 - Feb 20 2017. In this period, 6071 reports handled as good, 457 handled as bad, 293 unhandled. Period Feb 20 - Mar 22 2017. In this period, 4929 reports handled as good, 573 handled as bad, 480 unhandled. Period Mar 22 - Apr 21 2017. In this period, 4000 reports handled as good, 754 handled as bad, 607 unhandled. Period Apr 21 - May 21 2017. In this period, 3561 reports handled as good, 478 handled as bad, 553 unhandled. Period May 21 - Jun 20 2017. In this period, 4427 reports handled as good, 472 handled as bad, 749 unhandled. Period Jun 20 - Jul 20 2017. In this period, 4041 reports handled as good, 669 handled as bad, 400 unhandled. Period Jul 20 - Aug 19 2017. In this period, 4638 reports handled as good, 717 handled as bad, 576 unhandled. Period Aug 19 - Sep 18 2017. In this period, 5407 reports handled as good, 991 handled as bad, 443 unhandled. Period Sep 18 - Oct 18 2017. In this period, 6653 reports handled as good, 1116 handled as bad, 716 unhandled. Period Oct 18 - Nov 17 2017. In this period, 11372 reports handled as good, 1353 handled as bad, 804 unhandled. Period Nov 17 - Dec 17 2017. In this period, 16825 reports handled as good, 1685 handled as bad, 1230 unhanded. Period Dec 17 - Jan 16 2018. In this period, 20342 reports handled as good, 1433 handled as bad, 1482 unhandled. Period Jan 16 - Feb 15 2018. In this period, 20764 reports handled as good, 1517 handled as bad, 2207 unhandled. Period Feb 15 - Mar 17 2018. In this period, 15516 reports handled as good, 1487 handled as bad, 3698 unhandled. Period Mar 17 - Apr 16 2018. In this period, 17700 reports handled as good, 1184 handled as bad, 4093 unhandled. Period Apr 16 - May 16 2018. In this period, 19593 reports handled as good, 1627 handled as bad, 729 unhandled. Period May 16 - Jun 15 2018. In this period, 21465 reports handled as good, 1499 handled as bad, 996 unhandled. Period Jun 15 - Jul 15 2018. In this period, 29221 reports handled as good, 1542 handled as bad, 774 unhandled. Period Jul 15 - Aug 14 2018. In this period, 49835 reports handled as good, 1683 handled as bad, 395 unhandled. Period Aug 14 - Sep 13 2018. In this period, 36619 reports handled as good, 1432 handled as bad, 552 unhandled. Period Sep 13 - Oct 13 2018. In this period, 40520 reports handled as good, 1416 handled as bad, 679 unhandled. Period Oct 13 - Nov 12 2018. In this period, 31468 reports handled as good, 960 handled as bad, 704 unhandled. Period Nov 12 - Dec 12 2018. In this period, 19843 reports handled as good, 880 handled as bad, 533 unhandled. Period Dec 12 - Jan 11 2019. In this period, 20871 reports handled as good, 730 handled as bad, 683 unhandled. Period Jan 11 - Feb 10 2019. In this period, 19575 reports handled as good, 727 handled as bad, 302 unhandled. Period Feb 10 - Mar 12 2019. In this period, 21308 reports handled as good, 794 handled as bad, 181 unhandled. Period Mar 12 - Apr 11 2019. In this period, 20213 reports handled as good, 846 handled as bad, 246 unhandled. Period Apr 11 - May 11 2019. In this period, 17343 reports handled as good, 669 handled as bad, 572 unhandled. Period May 11 - Jun 10 2019. In this period, 18941 reports handled as good, 676 handled as bad, 625 unhandled. Period Jun 10 - Jul 10 2019. In this period, 19801 reports handled as good, 698 handled as bad, 628 unhandled. Period Jul 10 - Aug 09 2019. In this period, 35785 reports handled as good, 1295 handled as bad, 1454 unhandled. Period Aug 09 - Sep 08 2019. In this period, 33700 reports handled as good, 665 handled as bad, 823 unhandled. Period Sep 08 - Oct 08 2019. In this period, 22258 reports handled as good, 739 handled as bad, 491 unhandled. Period Oct 08 - Nov 07 2019. In this period, 16122 reports handled as good, 818 handled as bad, 1507 unhandled. Period Nov 07 - Dec 07 2019. In this period, 7851 reports handled as good, 686 handled as bad, 1284 unhandled. Period Dec 07 - Jan 06 2020. In this period, 7283 reports handled as good, 901 handled as bad, 882 unhandled. Period Jan 06 - Feb 05 2020. In this period, 7941 reports handled as good, 814 handled as bad, 191 unhandled. Period Feb 05 - Mar 06 2020. In this period, 8716 reports handled as good, 482 handled as bad, 733 unhandled. Period Mar 06 - Apr 05 2020. In this period, 6808 reports handled as good, 475 handled as bad, 245 unhandled. Period Apr 05 - May 05 2020. In this period, 11114 reports handled as good, 588 handled as bad, 1156 unhandled. Period May 05 - Jun 04 2020. In this period, 8693 reports handled as good, 823 handled as bad, 1546 unhandled. Period Jun 04 - Jul 04 2020. In this period, 13551 reports handled as good, 334 handled as bad, 398 unhandled. Period Jul 04 - Aug 03 2020. In this period, 5991 reports handled as good, 248 handled as bad, 294 unhandled. Period Aug 03 - Sep 02 2020. In this period, 14368 reports handled as good, 402 handled as bad, 1039 unhandled. Period Sep 02 - Oct 02 2020. In this period, 15342 reports handled as good, 288 handled as bad, 511 unhandled. Period Oct 02 - Nov 01 2020. In this period, 11813 reports handled as good, 253 handled as bad, 894 unhandled. Period Nov 01 - Dec 01 2020. In this period, 17803 reports handled as good, 282 handled as bad, 265 unhandled. Period Dec 01 - Dec 31 2020. In this period, 24595 reports handled as good, 357 handled as bad, 493 unhandled. Period Dec 31 - Jan 30 2021. In this period, 15008 reports handled as good, 263 handled as bad, 880 unhandled. Period Jan 30 - Mar 01 2021. In this period, 5881 reports handled as good, 318 handled as bad, 160 unhandled. Period Mar 01 - Mar 31 2021. In this period, 11127 reports handled as good, 385 handled as bad, 872 unhandled. Period Mar 31 - Apr 30 2021. In this period, 8362 reports handled as good, 338 handled as bad, 976 unhandled. Period Apr 30 - May 30 2021. In this period, 5594 reports handled as good, 296 handled as bad, 414 unhandled. Period May 30 - Jun 29 2021. In this period, 12085 reports handled as good, 195 handled as bad, 94 unhandled. Period Jun 29 - Jul 29 2021. In this period, 11187 reports handled as good, 222 handled as bad, 145 unhandled. Period Jul 29 - Aug 28 2021. In this period, 14076 reports handled as good, 253 handled as bad, 147 unhandled. Period Aug 28 - Sep 27 2021. In this period, 13021 reports handled as good, 359 handled as bad, 570 unhandled. Period Sep 27 - Oct 27 2021. In this period, 11744 reports handled as good, 322 handled as bad, 725 unhandled. Period Oct 27 - Nov 26 2021. In this period, 7663 reports handled as good, 430 handled as bad, 171 unhandled. Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled. Period Dec 26 - Jan 25. In this period, 30232 reports handled as good, 711 handled as bad, 299 unhandled. Period Jan 25 - Feb 24. In this period, 53968 reports handled as good, 490 handled as bad, 387 unhandled. Period Feb 24 - Mar 26. In this period, 32347 reports handled as good, 458 handled as bad, 1756 unhandled. Period Mar 26 - Apr 25. In this period, 11164 reports handled as good, 551 handled as bad, 172 unhandled. Period Apr 25 - May 25. In this period, 6668 reports handled as good, 404 handled as bad, 151 unhandled. Period May 25 - Jun 24. In this period, 4107 reports handled as good, 493 handled as bad, 235 unhandled. Period Jun 24 - Jul 24. In this period, 4333 reports handled as good, 218 handled as bad, 263 unhandled. Period Jul 24 - Aug 23. In this period, 4234 reports handled as good, 196 handled as bad, 116 unhandled. Period Aug 23 - Sep 22. In this period, 3905 reports handled as good, 227 handled as bad, 129 unhandled. Period Sep 22 - Oct 22. In this period, 8877 reports handled as good, 291 handled as bad, 1215 unhandled. Period Oct 22 - Nov 21. In this period, 8746 reports handled as good, 275 handled as bad, 1840 unhandled. Period Nov 21 - Dec 21. In this period, 3405 reports handled as good, 267 handled as bad, 107 unhandled. Period Dec 21 - Jan 20. In this period, 3265 reports handled as good, 216 handled as bad, 121 unhandled. Period Jan 20 - Feb 19. In this period, 9232 reports handled as good, 356 handled as bad, 170 unhandled. Period Feb 19 - Mar 21. In this period, 16589 reports handled as good, 321 handled as bad, 167 unhandled. Period Mar 21 - Apr 20. In this period, 8685 reports handled as good, 202 handled as bad, 143 unhandled. Period Apr 20 - May 20. In this period, 2025 reports handled as good, 121 handled as bad, 150 unhandled. Period May 20 - Jun 19. In this period, 1543 reports handled as good, 82 handled as bad, 133 unhandled. Period Jun 19 - Jul 19. In this period, 2232 reports handled as good, 71 handled as bad, 79 unhandled. Period Jul 19 - Aug 18. In this period, 2107 reports handled as good, 103 handled as bad, 182 unhandled. Period Aug 18 - Sep 17. In this period, 2205 reports handled as good, 53 handled as bad, 145 unhandled. Period Sep 17 - Oct 17. In this period, 2017 reports handled as good, 86 handled as bad, 111 unhandled. Period Oct 17 - Nov 16. In this period, 2377 reports handled as good, 92 handled as bad, 181 unhandled. Period Nov 16 - Dec 16. In this period, 1943 reports handled as good, 87 handled as bad, 209 unhandled. Period Dec 16 - Jan 15. In this period, 1664 reports handled as good, 116 handled as bad, 144 unhandled. Period Jan 15 - Feb 14. In this period, 1812 reports handled as good, 72 handled as bad, 93 unhandled. Period Feb 14 - Mar 15. In this period, 1699 reports handled as good, 77 handled as bad, 122 unhandled. Period Mar 15 - Apr 14. In this period, 1821 reports handled as good, 53 handled as bad, 149 unhandled. Period Apr 14 - May 14. In this period, 1926 reports handled as good, 71 handled as bad, 147 unhandled. I'll continue to update the thread on a monthly basis. Thanks for all the reports! Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Poker Player on September 16, 2021, 10:18:49 AM When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either?
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Mbitr on September 16, 2021, 10:35:49 AM Wow , these are some crazy numbers . These reports are definitely keeping the mods busy .
I’ll look forward to another member who loves stats to work out percentages and trends over the years :) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on September 16, 2021, 10:59:29 AM When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? A report isn't marked as such, it just becomes 'unhandled' when it's been in the queue for x amount of time and is eventually pruned. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Upgrade00 on September 16, 2021, 11:46:08 AM When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? From my perspective, reports remain unhandled because no mod decided to take any action, based on their judgement. The report may technically not be bad (cause it would be marked as such), but it's a complicated situation and each mods chooses not to act. AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Igebotz on September 16, 2021, 12:03:14 PM When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? From my perspective, reports remain unhandled because no mod decided to take any action, based on their judgement. The report may technically not be bad (cause it would be marked as such), but it's a complicated situation and each mods chooses not to act. AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. Unhandled means it was not picked up by any mod at all; you only take action when something is handled. These numbers are insane, and there must be leftover cases every month; I'm curious if these unhandled cases are cleared every month. to make way for fresh cases? Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Mbitr on September 16, 2021, 12:47:30 PM Unhandled means it was not picked up by any mod at all; you only take action when something is handled. These numbers are insane, and there must be leftover cases every month; I'm curious if these unhandled cases are cleared every month. to make way for fresh cases? I assume the unhandled cases are not ‘cleared’ every month as they would not show up in your report history anymore ? Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Myleschetty on September 16, 2021, 12:50:28 PM When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? From my perspective, reports remain unhandled because no mod decided to take any action, based on their judgement. The report may technically not be bad (cause it would be marked as such), but it's a complicated situation and each mods chooses not to act. AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. Agreed. These numbers are insane, and there must be leftover cases every month; I'm curious if these unhandled cases are cleared every month. to make way for fresh cases? If I understand what hilariousandco said correctly. I think yes and that's the reason why some cases are unhandled for they are unable to be treated for a certain max time.Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: tranthidung on September 16, 2021, 01:05:22 PM From the charts, reports peaked in mid of 2018 and there are two lower peaks in mid of 2019 and late of 2020. Probably reasons
Code: +--------------------------------------------------+ Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Despairo on September 16, 2021, 01:06:16 PM Period May 30 - Jun 29 2021. In this period, 12085 reports handled as good, 195 handled as bad, 94 unhandled. Hi @hilariousandco just asking where is the Jun 29 2021 - Jul 29 2021 statistic? It's missing? thanks. Period Jul 29 - Aug 28 2021. In this period, 14076 reports handled as good, 253 handled as bad, 147 unhandled. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Pmalek on September 16, 2021, 01:12:50 PM When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? Consider such a report as almost bad. If it was good, it would have been handled. Since it wasn't the mods don't agree with you, but they are also not sure how to look at it.AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. I guess this is a typo, right? You wanted to say "unhandled", not "bad". If the mods don't know how to react, they won't handle the report, hence it remains unhandled. I assume the unhandled cases are not ‘cleared’ every month as they would not show up in your report history anymore ? That should be correct. The reports remain unhandled until the mods either mark them as "good" or "bad". I have 5 unhandled reports God knows from when. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on September 16, 2021, 01:16:42 PM Period May 30 - Jun 29 2021. In this period, 12085 reports handled as good, 195 handled as bad, 94 unhandled. Hi @hilariousandco just asking where is the Jun 29 2021 - Jul 29 2021 statistic? It's missing? thanks. Period Jul 29 - Aug 28 2021. In this period, 14076 reports handled as good, 253 handled as bad, 147 unhandled. Period Jun 29 - Jul 29. In this period, 11187 reports handled as good, 222 handled as bad, 145 unhandled. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: LoyceV on September 16, 2021, 02:18:01 PM A report isn't marked as such, it just becomes 'unhandled' when it's been in the queue for x amount of time and is eventually pruned. From my perspective as a user, a report becomes "unhandled" instantly (until it changes later).Any chance you can nominate a "snitch of the month" for each month? :D Can you produce a graph with good reports as a percentage of total posts each month? Monthly post data must be available somewhere already. When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? Consider such a report as almost bad. If it was good, it would have been handled. Since it wasn't the mods don't agree with you, but they are also not sure how to look at it.Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: dkbit98 on September 16, 2021, 02:36:53 PM Not surprising that we had absolute record reports in summer of 2018 with nearly 50k good reports and only 395 unhandled... epic result.
Someone really needs to edit that hilariousandco post and convert it in readable tables with spaces, now it looks like a matrix movie opening scene, but maybe that was by design... https://c.tenor.com/KBe_nw4IL2QAAAAC/matrix-code.gif Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: tranthidung on September 16, 2021, 03:01:54 PM Can you produce a graph with good reports as a percentage of total posts each month? Monthly post data must be available somewhere already. I will find that dataset and will be back tomorrow.In the meantime, there are percents of good, bad, unhandled reports per total reports.
Code: +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Smartvirus on September 16, 2021, 04:25:33 PM AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. Really, is there?I thought the mods are assigned boards for which they could just act independently and perhaps the global moderator supersedes the whole boards. A deliberation on a report is one thing that could be tasking and time consuming too. If there is any of such form of restricted boards and deliberation of reports, unhandled cases is bound to be much as statistics presents as, a lot of cases are not going to be considered probably due to time factor and a lot more others could be a product of an Indecision which means, its not entirely a bad post. In any case, it's a good statistics pulled off because, the cases looked into is a ton of work! Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: LoyceV on September 16, 2021, 04:32:30 PM AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. Really, is there?Quote I thought the mods are assigned boards for which they could just act independently and perhaps the global moderator supersedes the whole boards. They may need to discuss cases, not all Mods can ban all users for instance.Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on September 16, 2021, 04:33:15 PM AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. Really, is there?I thought the mods are assigned boards for which they could just act independently and perhaps the global moderator supersedes the whole boards. A deliberation on a report is one thing that could be tasking and time consuming too. If there is any of such form of restricted boards and deliberation of reports, unhandled cases is bound to be much as statistics presents as, a lot of cases are not going to be considered probably due to time factor and a lot more others could be a product of an Indecision which means, its not entirely a bad post. In any case, it's a good statistics pulled off because, the cases looked into is a ton of work! Most forums have a super-secret restricted board for staff members. Not much happens there though and it's rare that specific cases are discussed unless there's something someone is very unsure of. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 16, 2021, 04:37:54 PM <snip> Nice data presentation, tranthidung. And thank you to hilariousandco for the raw data, too. I'd be interested in seeing something like a "top ten" reporter list to see who those members are who do the most reporting. Theymos dumped that kind of data a couple of years ago but hasn't done it since. I think I was on the list at the time, and even though I wouldn't expect to be on it now I'd still like to see who the most active reporters are. Any chance that could happen? Any chance you can nominate a "snitch of the month" for each month? :D That's something I'd definitely like to see--and I know it's been suggested before (and rejected--or at least ignored), but it'd be cool if the top reporter(s) got a badge near their username or avatar.Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: BITCOIN4X on September 16, 2021, 05:06:03 PM And thank you to hilariousandco for the raw data, too. I'd be interested in seeing something like a "top ten" reporter list to see who those members are who do the most reporting. Theymos dumped that kind of data a couple of years ago but hasn't done it since. I think I was on the list at the time, and even though I wouldn't expect to be on it now I'd still like to see who the most active reporters are. Any chance that could happen? One name that will definitely come up in my opinion if your request is accepted is actmyname. He consistently reports posts daily I guess and flags users who have 50+ good reports and blacklists them. The latest update to the activity report amounts to 6903 as of August 29 based on his post here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4440941.msg57808933#msg57808933). I don't know if he really does it non-stop every day or if it's the accumulation of numbers over the last few months. But he really is a spam hunter. :DTitle: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Halab on September 16, 2021, 05:08:37 PM Most forums have a super-secret restricted board for staff members. Not much happens there though and it's rare that specific cases are discussed unless there's something someone is very unsure of. And to be honest, the Staff section is the most active just before April 1st :). Any chance that could happen? It has been requested, but not sure that all top reporters want to be exposed publicly. And if it turns into a dick contest like merits... Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on October 15, 2021, 11:08:13 AM Period Aug 28 - Sep 27 2021. In this period, 13021 reports handled as good, 359 handled as bad, 570 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Mbitr on October 15, 2021, 12:01:51 PM Period Aug 28 - Sep 27 2021. In this period, 13021 reports handled as good, 359 handled as bad, 570 unhandled. Thanks for the update - acts as a little reminder to report posts and a boost to know reporters are still active :)Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on November 12, 2021, 06:47:32 PM Period Sep 27 - Oct 27 2021. In this period, 11744 reports handled as good, 322 handled as bad, 725 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Lafu on November 12, 2021, 07:04:02 PM Period Sep 27 - Oct 27 2021. In this period, 11744 reports handled as good, 322 handled as bad, 725 unhandled. Looks like the last few month the proportions of the reports always remain almost the same with not much difference.Are the counted reports all reports also like with the catched reports from the bot from Mitchell or only manually done reports ? Anyway thanks for the statistics hilariousandco , guess its not a bad number for the good reports. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on November 12, 2021, 07:05:51 PM Period Sep 27 - Oct 27 2021. In this period, 11744 reports handled as good, 322 handled as bad, 725 unhandled. Looks like the last few month the proportions of the reports always remain almost the same with not much difference.Are the counted reports all reports also like with the catched reports from the bot from Mitchell or only manually done reports ? Anyway thanks for the statistics hilariousandco , guess its not a bad number for the good reports. Doubt it will count bot actions unless someone also reported the post that was removed. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Csmiami on November 13, 2021, 10:47:45 AM Doubt it will count bot actions unless someone also reported the post that was removed. So the stats don't include: -Patroller deleted posts without previous report -Moderator deleted posts without previous report Any chance some of that data would be accessible? It may be interesting to see what % gets trimmed even before it hits the public Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: LoyceV on November 13, 2021, 11:03:41 AM Any chance some of that data would be accessible? It may be interesting to see what % gets trimmed even before it hits the public As far as I know, modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) covers Mod actions from the last 7 days.I counted those keywords:
Mod actions on a good report could also include moving or merging posts, so this data isn't really useful. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on November 13, 2021, 01:21:01 PM Doubt it will count bot actions unless someone also reported the post that was removed. So the stats don't include: -Patroller deleted posts without previous report -Moderator deleted posts without previous report Any chance some of that data would be accessible? It may be interesting to see what % gets trimmed even before it hits the public I assume they don't, but you'd have to ask theymos for further data. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Csmiami on November 13, 2021, 01:45:37 PM --- Mod actions on a good report could also include moving or merging posts, so this data isn't really useful. Yeah, and also a post could be reported by many different people, or it could be reported by the same person more than once creating both a good and bad report; too many variables here... Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PrimeNumber7 on November 13, 2021, 04:44:27 PM Mod actions on a good report could also include moving or merging posts, so this data isn't really useful. If posts need to get merged, one post will be deleted (or if three posts get merged, two posts will be deleted). So it will be marked as delete reply in the modlog, and if reported, it will be in the OP's stats as a good report. Are the counted reports all reports also like with the catched reports from the bot from Mitchell or only manually done reports ? His bot is a moderator/patroller. I believe offending posts are found rather quickly, so it is unlikely any of the posts will get reported. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on December 14, 2021, 10:41:47 AM Period Oct 27 - Nov 26 2021. In this period, 7663 reports handled as good, 430 handled as bad, 171 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on January 14, 2022, 11:39:11 AM Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: RickDeckard on January 18, 2022, 12:11:35 AM Period Oct 27 - Nov 26 2021. In this period, 7663 reports handled as good, 430 handled as bad, 171 unhandled. Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled. This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?)Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PrimeNumber7 on January 18, 2022, 12:32:32 AM Period Oct 27 - Nov 26 2021. In this period, 7663 reports handled as good, 430 handled as bad, 171 unhandled. Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled. This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?)The difference month over month is approximately the number of unhandled reports, per the OP that has been made since the beginning of 2020. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Lafu on January 18, 2022, 03:57:15 AM This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?) I guess it has maybe to do with all the posts that got deleted with the Fake LHR Pill and all this Fake Github download links that was posted in the Phoenixminer Thread.The December was really crazy how much they have posted and with all the accounts that got banned . But yeah i dont know exactly if this is the reason for the increase or that it was only because there was holidays and people got time . Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Csmiami on January 18, 2022, 10:47:53 AM I guess it has maybe to do with all the posts that got deleted with the Fake LHR Pill and all this Fake Github download links that was posted in the Phoenixminer Thread. It may be a reason for it, but the fake miner is targeted by mindless electron, and it deletes the posts automatically instead of reporting and then getting them deleted. I already mentioned this, but the number of posts that get "handled" is actually way higher, since only reported ones show up on this data. The difference for this month is no doubt significant, and I only remember a difference worth noting when above mentioned bot was offline for a few hours... It may have something to do with it here Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: dkbit98 on January 18, 2022, 12:41:18 PM This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?) Not only that, but number of bad reports in the same time period reduced from 430 to 403, and unhandled reports came down from 171 to 112.Good stats, and maybe moderators got some new work power, or some of them returned from vacation ;) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 18, 2022, 12:51:21 PM Mixture of new users reporting, and users which used to report quite frequently returning probably played a little into this. I actually think since hilariousandco has released these statistics we've seen a little more reports, but also reports from users which seemed to have a long extended break prior the releasing the stats.
Hopefully we continue to hit high number reports per month. This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?) Not many from a backlog. Some unhandled reports could inflate certain months depending on the time theymos uses to determine each period. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on January 18, 2022, 01:15:07 PM This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?) One of the members responsible for that increase is definitely @GazetaBitcoin. He has been very active lately in cleaning the altcoin section from all that paid redundant crap, based on this list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5236143.0). For example, just yesterday he reported 2255 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5236143.msg59006989#msg59006989) posts, which is insane number. Majority of people don't report that much in a year, let alone a day or two. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 18, 2022, 01:20:07 PM One of the members responsible for that increase is definitely @GazetaBitcoin. He has been very active lately in cleaning the altcoin section from all that paid redundant crap, based on this list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5236143.0). For example, just yesterday he reported 2255 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5236143.msg59006989#msg59006989) posts, which is insane number. Majority of people don't report that much in a year, let alone a day or two. Yeah, I probably handled over 2000 of their reports last period, and no doubt other staff also handled a lot of them. So, that definitely played a part in the final statistics. Though, I suspect that there were other areas in the forum which were pretty busy last month. I suspect this month judging on the reports I've seen myself, and bare in mind I don't see all sections. I expect lower figures this month, but definitely a little more than previous months. Though, that's based on the amount I've seen currently, the period is far from over yet. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on January 18, 2022, 01:39:28 PM Period Oct 27 - Nov 26 2021. In this period, 7663 reports handled as good, 430 handled as bad, 171 unhandled. Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled. This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?)A couple of users have been reporting shitloads of old bumps recently so that will be a big contributing factor. I wouldn't be surprised if I handled nearly a thousand bump reports alone last month. Also, theymos changed the payment algorithm back in May and now I think it's more proportional to how many reports you handle so maybe that's a factor. I know I at least have to handle a lot more reports for the payments to be anywhere near how they used to be before the change so maybe everyone is handling more now to keep up. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: _BlackStar on January 18, 2022, 06:56:08 PM Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled. I'm glad I can still help the forum stay clear of most spam posts even though during the month of December I didn't have much reporting activity. However, we also still have a fair amount of contributions from other users who are willing to report spam. Thank you also for all the reports that you have handled during the November - December period. Friends, I'm just curious about this possibility, is it possible to report spammers and their posts on the gambling board if I find they only post 100% on the gambling board [without any contribution to the forum] just to qualify for weekly payouts on the campaign? Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 18, 2022, 08:13:10 PM Thanks for the stats. December, as I expected, turned out to be the most productive month in terms of sending reports. Thanks to all reporters for their activity and contribution to reporting. I also managed to contribute to this December record. I also saw that GazetaBitcoin showed increased activity in sending reports last month. I think in January there will be similar numbers. Or maybe even higher. :) Hopefully, after my previous statement of it seeming calmer this month I've just handled a lot of reports. Probably around the 500 mark. Friends, I'm just curious about this possibility, is it possible to report spammers and their posts on the gambling board if I find they only post 100% on the gambling board [without any contribution to the forum] just to qualify for weekly payouts on the campaign? Yeah, report anything that you believe to be spam. The moderator handling it will use their own discretion. If it's not immediately obvious what your reporting it for, include as much detail as possible. However, in general anyone posting low quality content in order to satisfy their signature campaign quota can be reported to the moderators, as well as the signature campaign manager. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: _BlackStar on January 18, 2022, 09:00:52 PM Yeah, report anything that you believe to be spam. The moderator handling it will use their own discretion. If it's not immediately obvious what your reporting it for, include as much detail as possible. However, in general anyone posting low quality content in order to satisfy their signature campaign quota can be reported to the moderators, as well as the signature campaign manager. Thanks, I got a satisfactory answer from the moderator. The first step is how can I detect spammers and who is doing it just to fulfill their weekly quota, this will surely be difficult but I will do my best without any interest [only contributions].Previously I have also managed to detect them in several campaign and I have reported them to the manager, of course I didn't do it because I don't want them to be paid but I can say that every post and their activity is never for the sake of the forum [quality] but only for personal interests [quantity]. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: LoyceV on January 19, 2022, 08:29:08 AM Also, theymos changed the payment algorithm back in May and now I think it's more proportional to how many reports you handle so maybe that's a factor. I know I at least have to handle a lot more reports for the payments to be anywhere near how they used to be before the change so maybe everyone is handling more now to keep up. Out of curiosity: if I report one post and write: "many shitposts, please check post history", and the Mod deletles spam from his post history, does that earn the Mod something too? Or just in general if a Mod removes a post that hasn't been reported: is that incentivized in any way?Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousetc on January 19, 2022, 09:37:38 AM Also, theymos changed the payment algorithm back in May and now I think it's more proportional to how many reports you handle so maybe that's a factor. I know I at least have to handle a lot more reports for the payments to be anywhere near how they used to be before the change so maybe everyone is handling more now to keep up. Out of curiosity: if I report one post and write: "many shitposts, please check post history", and the Mod deletles spam from his post history, does that earn the Mod something too? Or just in general if a Mod removes a post that hasn't been reported: is that incentivized in any way?I wouldn't know ultimately as theymos keeps the actual details of the algorithm secret so mods can't try game it. Makes sense really as many mods would probably just concentrate on what earned them the most if they knew. The weighting of merely just deleting a post is probably minimal though and it's actually handling the report that will be the bulk of it so if you really wanted to help mods reports are where it's at, but at the same time it's not always necessary for you to waste your time reporting every post. If deleting a post carried a lot of weight staff might be more heavy handed and start removing posts that don't really need to be removed so maybe that's another good reason. The way staff are paid can't be perfect though as it doesn't take into consideration PMs reported and issues handled with that. I've suggested before that PM reports should also go into a queue which can be handled/marked bad like current reports are. Hopefully it will be on the new forum. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 19, 2022, 08:42:22 PM is that incentivized in any way? I'd say its probably best to avoid thinking what's best for the moderators in terms of getting paid, and just use common sense when reporting. So, if the thread is fairly obvious what needs to be removed or the user in question is a mass spammer, then its probably more time efficient for both the moderator, and yourself to just report with a "check post history" rather than going through their entire post history, and reporting it. Same as threads, sometimes with obvious cases its just best to report one post, and indicate there's more posts like it in the thread. For example, a lot users do this with bumps. Also, sometimes when reporting consecutive reports some users report each post, when really only one needs to be reported. The way staff are paid can't be perfect though as it doesn't take into consideration PMs reported and issues handled with that. I've suggested before that PM reports should also go into a queue which can be handled/marked bad like current reports are. Hopefully it will be on the new forum. I always assumed they went into the same queue as traditional reports. I'm assuming that its the default way that SMF handles these types of reports, and its too much hassle to change rather than it being intentional? Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: actmyname on January 20, 2022, 09:52:57 PM An interesting stat to measure would be the percentage of posts that have been deleted, either across the forum or (better) within each board.
It feels as though certain boards would have a number 20%+ or higher, were all the spam posts to be reported. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 21, 2022, 09:38:26 AM An interesting stat to measure would be the percentage of posts that have been deleted, either across the forum or (better) within each board. I would say most sections would have over a 20% handled ratio, as opposed to bad or unhandled reports. I'd go as far as saying its probably well over 50%. What would be interesting is seeing the amount of posts deleted which haven't been reported across the forum, unless that's what you meant. I expect that the final figure would probably show how vital reports are in the grand scheme of things. It feels as though certain boards would have a number 20%+ or higher, were all the spam posts to be reported. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on February 15, 2022, 10:33:34 AM Period Dec 26 - Jan 25. In this period, 30232 reports handled as good, 711 handled as bad, 299 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on February 15, 2022, 11:09:56 AM Period Dec 26 - Jan 25. In this period, 30232 reports handled as good, 711 handled as bad, 299 unhandled. Thanks. The best result in terms of the number of reports in the last 2 years. Interestingly, is there any data in which particular section was the main number of reports sent out of these 30 000? I think it was Marketplace and Altcoin sections. Only theymos will have that data. Anecdotally I would say that it's the marketplace right now due to people reporting a lot of old bumps. Then maybe spam in alt coin sections. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on March 13, 2022, 09:56:43 AM Period Jan 25 - Feb 24. In this period, 53968 reports handled as good, 490 handled as bad, 387 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on March 17, 2022, 12:57:13 AM If rely on the statistics in the first post, then this is a new forum record for the number of reports sent per month. The previous one lasted over 3 years. Yeah, although I do expect this number to go back to normal levels in the next few weeks. There's been a lot of users which have seemed to have come back recently, and pick up their old habits of reporting, which is nice to see. Although, at least on the reports I see, a lot of these reports are coming from here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5236143.0), which is getting close to being completely cleaned. I do know there's a lot of reports happening in the marketplace section of the forum, though. So, while I said I expect it to go back down to normal levels, it'll probably be a little bit above that. Nice to see users are now becoming a little more motivated in reporting though, as we did have a few months which seemed like quite a few users turned a little hostile towards reporting. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on March 17, 2022, 09:56:33 AM If rely on the statistics in the first post, then this is a new forum record for the number of reports sent per month. The previous one lasted over 3 years. Yeah, although I do expect this number to go back to normal levels in the next few weeks. It seems like the people reporting the old bumps have slowed to a halt. Either they got bored or run out of ones to report as there's only going to be so many to find. I think they peaked last month as I alone handled an insane amount. ~ I have this question. On the page https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php, the following lines are often found: Quote Nuke user: N/A in topic #0 by member #3455015 Such actions of moderators are included in the monthly report statistics, and if not, are they taken into account anywhere at all? Or is there no counting for such nuke actions? They will be counted if you nuke a user someone has reported a post of. For instance, if a spambot appears and makes a spam post, someone will report that post. If a mod sees that report and straight up nukes that account (I believe) that will auto handle the report and credit them with the action. If I just nuked someone without a report it might count somehow in the payment algorithm but it probably wouldn't be counted in the report stats. Theymos could probably scrape the nuke stats but he doesn't post them anywhere. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PrimeNumber7 on March 18, 2022, 09:43:41 AM They will be counted if you nuke a user someone has reported a post of. For instance, if a spambot appears and makes a spam post, someone will report that post. If a mod sees that report and straight up nukes that account (I believe) that will auto handle the report and credit them with the action. If I just nuked someone without a report it might count somehow in the payment algorithm but it probably wouldn't be counted in the report stats. Theymos could probably scrape the nuke stats but he doesn't post them anywhere. The above may does not exactly match a newbie having a post reported who is nuked. Assuming theymos is not going to comment on the affect of nuking a user on any reports against that user, someone could report a single post made by a newbie, a mod could nuke said newbie, and the user could see what happens to their report stats. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: suchmoon on March 18, 2022, 11:28:52 AM IIRC, BadBear had posted that if you report a post as being an excessive bump, and that post gets deleted (by the OP), your report will also get deleted (or presumably in a prominent status of "unhandled"). If the post is deleted by the author it's automatically marked as "Good" after a minute or two. IIRC, BadBear had posted Quote Name: BadBear [...] Last Active: April 02, 2018, 12:39:12 PM Quote Name: PrimeNumber7 [...] Date Registered: March 12, 2019, 06:45:31 AM Should have used your other account here. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: _BlackStar on March 18, 2022, 01:14:28 PM I have had several reports in the gambling section where the reports were unhandled by the mod to date. I truly believe that users are spammers and the posts I report are made just to fulfill the signature campaign quota without caring about quality. I don't see them as quality posters where almost 100% of their efforts are spam.
The problem however is, 98% of the posts I report on that gambling section are left unhandled while posts on other boards are almost 100% handled with tag good. So far I don't know what the problem is, could you please tell me about it and should I stop reporting posts on gambling board if it is unhandled in a long time? I'm willing to tell you via PM about some users I think are spammers [if necessary] and you can verify for yourself. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: suchmoon on March 18, 2022, 02:05:30 PM The problem however is, 98% of the posts I report on that gambling section are left unhandled while posts on other boards are almost 100% handled with tag good. So far I don't know what the problem is, could you please tell me about it and should I stop reporting posts on gambling board if it is unhandled in a long time? I've noticed that very little if anything gets deleted e.g. in soccer discussion threads, even lame shit like "this team won this team is very good because player X played well and very good coach and <insert rephrased copy pasta from another post about another team two pages ago>" and yes, it's coming in bursts of posts across a few threads once or twice a week to fulfill their Gambling board quotas. I have mostly stopped reporting those, waste of time. Maybe I just don't understand soccer - this could be the expected level of intelligence for those discussions. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: _BlackStar on March 19, 2022, 07:50:31 PM I've noticed that very little if anything gets deleted e.g. in soccer discussion threads, even lame shit like "this team won this team is very good because player X played well and very good coach and <insert rephrased copy pasta from another post about another team two pages ago>" and yes, it's coming in bursts of posts across a few threads once or twice a week to fulfill their Gambling board quotas. I have mostly stopped reporting those, waste of time. Maybe I just don't understand soccer - this could be the expected level of intelligence for those discussions. I would probably stop reporting posts like that if the mod wouldn't handle it for long times.At now, a total of 236 of my reports remain unhandled. I'm wondering what the reason is, but once you answer my question then it would be best if I don't deal with spam posts there anymore and stop reporting them [will keep spam hunting on other boards]. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: GazetaBitcoin on March 19, 2022, 08:01:44 PM At now, a total of 236 of my reports remain unhandled. I'm wondering what the reason is, but once you answer my question then it would be best if I don't deal with spam posts there anymore and stop reporting them I think that best approach is to temporary stop making reports similar to those unhandled ones and watch these ones for the next 30 days. In case that in 30 days they are still not handled this means that maybe you should avoid completely such reports. I learned that the hard way, after making 1500+ reports from Press board, which were never handled and now I have to carry with me forever a long queue of 1839 unhandled reports. (This is because you can't see in your report history the reports older than 30 days and mods can't see them anymore either.) Although that board is supposed to be for, as its own description says, "Notable press hits", it's not. A lot of spammers post there and nobody cares. The reports are never handled (you can take this also as a suggestion for avoiding making reports there too). However, it's also possible that mods were just too busy lately and they will handle your reports, but not as soon as you make them. This is why I suggest to wait and see what happens with current unhandled reports. [will keep spam hunting on other boards]. This is the spirit :) For example, Altcoins board is like cornucopia for spam busters. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: _BlackStar on March 19, 2022, 08:13:58 PM I think that best approach is to temporary stop making reports similar to those unhandled ones and watch these ones for the next 30 days. In case that in 30 days they are still not handled this means that maybe you should avoid completely such reports. I learned that the hard way, after making 1500+ reports from Press board, which were never handled and now I have to carry with me forever a long queue of 1839 unhandled reports. (This is because you can't see in your report history the reports older than 30 days and mods can't see them anymore either.) Although that board is supposed to be for, as its own description says, "Notable press hits", it's not. A lot of spammers post there and nobody cares. The reports are never handled (you can take this also as a suggestion for avoiding making reports there too). Thanks for your suggestion, and now I'm going to stop doing it for the time being but it's still possible to report some nasty violations there.However, it's also possible that mods were just too busy lately and they will handle your reports, but not as soon as you make them. This is why I suggest to wait and see what happens with current unhandled reports. [will keep spam hunting on other boards]. This is the spirit :) For example, Altcoins board is like cornucopia for spam busters. As always, the altcoin board is like a rice bowl for spambusters and it really is the most popular place for spammers paradise where only a handful of quality posters take part in it. GazetaBitcoin, occasionally reporting spammers has become an addiction for me even for just a few posts. LOL In the meantime, I will still wait for the results. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: GazetaBitcoin on March 19, 2022, 08:27:12 PM GazetaBitcoin, occasionally reporting spammers has become an addiction for me even for just a few posts. LOL This may be difficult to understand for many people, but I totally understand you here. Two years ago I made 4000+ reports, last year I had 8000 and this year, from Jan 1st, almost 40.000. Yes, it's addictive. In some days I just stay and open in hundreds (sometimes thousands) of tabs the posts I intend to report and then, in the next day I just click on each tab the Submit" report button. I remember that once I opened so many tabs that Firefox started to act laggy. I think I had more than 5000 tabs opened at that moment. Since then I don't open more than 2000-3000 tabs with future reports :) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PrimeNumber7 on March 19, 2022, 11:31:52 PM IIRC, BadBear had posted Quote Name: BadBear [...] Last Active: April 02, 2018, 12:39:12 PM Quote Name: PrimeNumber7 [...] Date Registered: March 12, 2019, 06:45:31 AM Should have used your other account here. If the post is deleted by the author it's automatically marked as "Good" after a minute or two. Do you have a source for this? Having to wait a minute for the status of a report to get updated is strange behavior. More importantly, a reporter's individual report stats are not necessarily important in these cases. What is important is that a mod sees the report, and has the opportunity to research the issue and take action. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: suchmoon on March 19, 2022, 11:47:36 PM Do you have a source for this? I reported my own post and deleted it. It turned to "Good". Having to wait a minute for the status of a report to get updated is strange behavior. There are other places on this site where updates are not real-time so I don't find it "strange" at all. Also the report page says: "When a post is deleted, reports for it will sometimes stay in unhandled status for some time before moving to handled status." More importantly, a reporter's individual report stats are not necessarily important in these cases. What is important is that a mod sees the report, and has the opportunity to research the issue and take action. I don't know what you're still babbling about. You made a claim (sorry, "remembered") that seemed to be incorrect so I checked. Mods can't see deleted posts anyway, nor should they take action on deleted posts, so whatever. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on April 14, 2022, 03:31:07 PM Period Feb 24 - Mar 26. In this period, 32347 reports handled as good, 458 handled as bad, 1756 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Lafu on April 14, 2022, 04:38:56 PM Period Feb 24 - Mar 26. In this period, 32347 reports handled as good, 458 handled as bad, 1756 unhandled. For about 32347 reports that are was handled as good in relation to the bad reports the bad reports isnt much i guess.But what me wonders is the unhandled reports since the last updates its 4 times higher as the last one . Dont know maybe there are some reports that normaly shouldnt be reportet and the mods dont get to it. I guess if that is the case a few reporters should be thinking about what they reporting , thats just my opinion but i can be wrong. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Poker Player on April 14, 2022, 05:02:50 PM For about 32347 reports that are was handled as good in relation to the bad reports the bad reports isnt much i guess. But what me wonders is the unhandled reports since the last updates its 4 times higher as the last one . Dont know maybe there are some reports that normaly shouldnt be reportet and the mods dont get to it. I guess if that is the case a few reporters should be thinking about what they reporting , thats just my opinion but i can be wrong. I am not entirely sure about the unhandled reports either, but I would say that it is due to: 1) The moderators don't see enough reason to act on the report or mark it as bad. 2) Maybe for lack of time or some other reason they remain unhandled. Although I thik of this second option as less likely. But I do not agree with what you have said that I have put in bold. If moderators thought that those reports should not have been made, they would have marked them as bad. In any case, I suppose hilarious or some other moderator will clarify this. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Igebotz on April 14, 2022, 05:42:06 PM For about 32347 reports that are was handled as good in relation to the bad reports the bad reports isnt much i guess. But what me wonders is the unhandled reports since the last updates its 4 times higher as the last one . Dont know maybe there are some reports that normaly shouldnt be reportet and the mods dont get to it. I guess if that is the case a few reporters should be thinking about what they reporting , thats just my opinion but i can be wrong. A large number of unhandled reports may be due to someone trying report old posts in topics with a lot of discussion. For example, a low-value post was written, someone gave an answer to it, a heated discussion ensued. I've heard that when a low-value post is deleted, then all the posts citing it, it seems, are also deleted. If a moderator sees that a low-value post has many replies, he will leave the discussion intact and will not process the report, marking it as unhandled. One of the versions. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 17, 2022, 08:24:19 AM There's nothing to see here, it's just that the amount of monthly reports coming in is much more than what the active mods can handle because most of the cases are handled manually, they're not bots I never expected them to handle all monthly reported cases, most of my last month reports were left unhandled I guess mod didn't pick it up This is hardly the true reason for so many unhandled. A useful piece of additional context would be of the ~1700 unhandled reports, how many were handled as of 48 hours after the reporting period ended. e:fix typo Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on April 17, 2022, 01:00:27 PM There's nothing to see here, it's just that the amount of monthly reports coming in is much more than what the active mods can handle because most of the cases are handled manually, they're not bots I never expected them to handle all monthly reported cases, most of my last month reports were left unhandled I guess mod didn't pick it up There are specific situations where leaving a report unhandled is actually the best course of action. Also, as suggested theymos releases this data at a certain point, if a user has reported a tonne of posts just before theymos collects his stats, then they're going to be unhandled. I'd say most of our reports get handled within a few hours, and the unhandled reports are probably much lower than this figure. It really depends on when the reports were made, and when the cutoff for the reporting period was. For example, if someone happened t make many reports shortly before the reporting cutoff, it is possible that the mods simply had not yet had time to handle the reports. Right, which is very likely the case here. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Igebotz on April 18, 2022, 09:32:09 AM There's nothing to see here, it's just that the amount of monthly reports coming in is much more than what the active mods can handle because most of the cases are handled manually, they're not bots I never expected them to handle all monthly reported cases, most of my last month reports were left unhandled I guess mod didn't pick it up There are specific situations where leaving a report unhandled is actually the best course of action. Also, as suggested theymos releases this data at a certain point, if a user has reported a tonne of posts just before theymos collects his stats, then they're going to be unhandled. I'd say most of our reports get handled within a few hours, and the unhandled reports are probably much lower than this figure. I'm still not sure what you meant when you said that some cases are best left unhamdled Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 18, 2022, 09:41:08 AM There's nothing to see here, it's just that the amount of monthly reports coming in is much more than what the active mods can handle because most of the cases are handled manually, they're not bots I never expected them to handle all monthly reported cases, most of my last month reports were left unhandled I guess mod didn't pick it up There are specific situations where leaving a report unhandled is actually the best course of action. Also, as suggested theymos releases this data at a certain point, if a user has reported a tonne of posts just before theymos collects his stats, then they're going to be unhandled. I'd say most of our reports get handled within a few hours, and the unhandled reports are probably much lower than this figure. I'm still not sure what you meant when you said that some cases are best left unhamdled Presumably, theymos (and possibly other mods/admins) periodically pull reports containing all the unhandled reports that are no longer in any mod's queue and may revisit them and/or look for certain trends, and/or investigate if changes are needed, etc. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on April 18, 2022, 01:41:07 PM Unhandled reports might be revisited, since if the mod clicks ignore on a report, then that only ignores it for them. So, another moderator might see it in their report queue, and decide to act upon it. Although, once the period for displaying the report in queues is gone, then yeah unhandled reports aren't revisited, unless they're reported again in the future. As far as I know, if that happens, and it is then handled at a later date, it doesn't correct the initial report that was marked as unhandled. Although, I can't say I've ever monitored that, I'm just going on a logical assumption.
So, there's two ways of not handling a report. Either ignoring it (clicking "ignore" which removes it from your report queue) or by just ignoring it without actually clicking ignore, if that makes sense. So, the latter example would be not taking any action at all, whereas clicking ignore is technically an action which only really effects your report queue not anyone else's. I'm still not sure what you meant when you said that some cases are best left unhamdled I've been meaning to do a detailed write up on my reporting effectively thread on when unhandled reports are actually the logical way of handling a report. Just haven't got around to it yet. It's on my to do list for this year :D. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on May 10, 2022, 09:15:30 AM Period Mar 26 - Apr 25. In this period, 11164 reports handled as good, 551 handled as bad, 172 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on June 13, 2022, 05:27:57 PM Period Apr 25 - May 25. In this period, 6668 reports handled as good, 404 handled as bad, 151 unhandled.
Massive drop off in reports the past few months. Get reporting! Staff have to eat ;D. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on July 12, 2022, 08:11:09 AM Period May 25 - Jun 24. In this period, 4107 reports handled as good, 493 handled as bad, 235 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on August 13, 2022, 09:46:51 AM Period Jun 24 - Jul 24. In this period, 4333 reports handled as good, 218 handled as bad, 263 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: marcotheminer on August 13, 2022, 10:10:26 AM @Ratimov, imo if we were to remove all posts that could be reported as a supposed-violation for fluff posting for a signature campaign (usually below-average communication-via-English abilities) .. we would have many, many posts disappear.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Csmiami on August 31, 2022, 09:46:08 AM @Ratimov, imo if we were to remove all posts that could be reported as a supposed-violation for fluff posting for a signature campaign (usually below-average communication-via-English abilities) .. we would have many, many posts disappear. And that is a bad thing... How? If you need to fill your posts with a hard rethoric just to reach a quota; then maybe, you shouldn't do that post first place. It's always been said that it's not the same to post and get paid for posting; and to get paid for posting... Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on September 14, 2022, 08:25:31 AM Period Jul 24 - Aug 23. In this period, 4234 reports handled as good, 196 handled as bad, 116 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on October 15, 2022, 01:08:13 PM Period Aug 23 - Sep 22. In this period, 3905 reports handled as good, 227 handled as bad, 129 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on November 15, 2022, 12:12:20 PM Period Sep 22 - Oct 22. In this period, 8877 reports handled as good, 291 handled as bad, 1215 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: yahoo62278 on November 15, 2022, 09:36:14 PM If I may ask, why are there unhandled reports? Are the unhandled reports handled in the next month? Do they stay unhandled? I'm pretty sure they stay unhandled as I have 14 unhandled posts in my history and only 3 of them are recent.
What makes a report go as unhandled status and why is it not later handled? When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? A report isn't marked as such, it just becomes 'unhandled' when it's been in the queue for x amount of time and is eventually pruned. When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? From my perspective, reports remain unhandled because no mod decided to take any action, based on their judgement. The report may technically not be bad (cause it would be marked as such), but it's a complicated situation and each mods chooses not to act. AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. When a report is market as "unhandled", is it because moderators were busy or something or is it a way to acknowledge the report is not bad but not so good as to act either? From my perspective, reports remain unhandled because no mod decided to take any action, based on their judgement. The report may technically not be bad (cause it would be marked as such), but it's a complicated situation and each mods chooses not to act. AFAIK, the mods have a restricted board where they can discuss reports and in a case where a report is presented and no one can come up with a solution, it will be marked as bad. Unhandled means it was not picked up by any mod at all; you only take action when something is handled. These numbers are insane, and there must be leftover cases every month; I'm curious if these unhandled cases are cleared every month. to make way for fresh cases? Unhandled means it was not picked up by any mod at all; you only take action when something is handled. These numbers are insane, and there must be leftover cases every month; I'm curious if these unhandled cases are cleared every month. to make way for fresh cases? I assume the unhandled cases are not ‘cleared’ every month as they would not show up in your report history anymore ? Isn't there a standard? Do moderators not all agree on issues reported? Maybe there should be a standard? Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on November 15, 2022, 09:42:57 PM If I may ask, why are there unhandled reports? Are the unhandled reports handled in the next month? Do they stay unhandled? I'm pretty sure they stay unhandled as I have 14 unhandled posts in my history and only 3 of them are recent. Unhandled reports are simply that, reports which have not been handled for whatever reason. The reason can vary, in some instances it's probably the best thing to do. I'm failing to come up with any good examples, but there's been plenty of times where I've personally elected to do it. What makes a report go as unhandled status and why is it not later handled? However, the unhandled reports in this statistic is likely they were unhandled at the time of theymos scraping the data, hence why it varies from each period. So, a large majority of those were probably handled later. That would be my guess. As for your unhandled reports. Some reports do stay unhandled indefinitely. This is when no one has taken an action on them, and then they eventually fall out of everyone's report queue. I don't know the exact time frame that is, but it does happen. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PX-Z on November 15, 2022, 11:06:11 PM What makes a report go as unhandled status and why is it not later handled? What i know and understand is, like when user A and user B report the same post with the same description (say moving on particular board or etc.) at different time. At the time of handling, when mod A handled the report from user A the remarks will be "Good". Then later on say a mere seconds passed, mod B handled the report of user B which is already handled by the mod A (already moved to the reported board) the report will be remarked as "Unhandled" Well, that's only my guess, much better if a mod will give an specific example. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: LoyceV on November 16, 2022, 12:07:21 PM What makes a report go as unhandled status and why is it not later handled? My interpretation is that a Mod isn't sure ("not great, not terrible"). My most recent example: this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396074.msg61280504#msg61280504) has been "unhandled" for 2 days. I assume each Mod doesn't want to remove it because they're not sure that's justified, but they also don't want to mark it as Bad, so other Mods can also have a look at it.The obvious reports usually don't stay "unhandled" for long. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on November 16, 2022, 04:44:30 PM My interpretation is that a Mod isn't sure ("not great, not terrible"). My most recent example: this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396074.msg61280504#msg61280504) has been "unhandled" for 2 days. I assume each Mod doesn't want to remove it because they're not sure that's justified, but they also don't want to mark it as Bad, so other Mods can also have a look at it. Yeah, definitely borderline reports are more likely to stay in unhandled status than straight forward cases. I'll need to come up with some examples, which I was struggling for the other day. I was going to do it for my reporting effectively guide I made a few years ago. There's just some instances were a soft bad is more appropriate than handled it as a bad report, and it's usually something along the lines of a borderline case. The obvious reports usually don't stay "unhandled" for long. One example would be malicious links or distributing malware. While the moderator might agree that it looks malicious, verifying that can sometimes be difficult, and hence they can sometimes go unhandled, which isn't ideal, but verifying something like that is rather difficult. There's a lot of work involved actually verifying whether something is unsafe. Users reporting tend to rely on online virus checkers, but they routinely false flag mining programs as an example. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 20, 2022, 07:47:58 PM Period Sep 22 - Oct 22. In this period, 8877 reports handled as good, 291 handled as bad, 1215 unhandled. Is it possible to know top three reporters from the last year December to till date please? Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on November 20, 2022, 07:57:12 PM Is it possible to know top three reporters from the last year December to till date please? Only theymos, and possibility Cyrus has access to that information. There's been suggestions that this sort of thing gets implemented publicly, but I don't know what theymos' opinion is of that. I'd be in support of it, maybe having a opt out for privacy sake, but considering theymos has had no issue publishing the list of reporters in the past, I wouldn't of thought it be too much of a problem. I imagine the reporter list hasn't changed too drastically, in terms of users. The reports I receive are generally from the same users. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on November 20, 2022, 08:03:24 PM Only theymos, and possibility Cyrus has access to that information. There's been suggestions that this sort of thing gets implemented publicly, but I don't know what theymos' opinion is of that. I'd be in support of it, maybe having a opt out for privacy sake, but considering theymos has had no issue publishing the list of reporters in the past, I wouldn't of thought it be too much of a problem. Asking theymos for information is a gamble, I am not taking the risk 😉I sent you a PM, just in case you miss it, please check. Thanks brother. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on December 07, 2022, 09:35:27 AM Period Oct 22 - Nov 21. In this period, 8746 reports handled as good, 275 handled as bad, 1840 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on January 13, 2023, 09:43:50 AM Period Nov 21 - Dec 21. In this period, 3405 reports handled as good, 267 handled as bad, 107 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on January 13, 2023, 11:33:00 AM A new forum's anti-record for the last 7 years? It is sad that such a function of the forum as reporting is going through hard times. Apparently all the active reporters fled. :-\ Since forum activity has been in decline for years (e.g during 12/2021 287k posts were written and just one year later that number dropped to 147k during 12/2022), its only natural that amount of posts deleted goes down as well. The only way I see this trend changes is if mods/admins become much stricter but whether that's in forum interest is another question. Or if theymos introduces reporting badges or something among those lines, but then I can see people trying to abuse that and even create their own garbage in order to report it. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on January 13, 2023, 12:33:30 PM Period Nov 21 - Dec 21. In this period, 3405 reports handled as good, 267 handled as bad, 107 unhandled. A new forum's anti-record for the last 7 years? It is sad that such a function of the forum as reporting is going through hard times. Apparently all the active reporters fled. :-\ That's why I think theymos should introduce badges with a couple of small perks to make it worthwhile. Reporting is a thankless task and most get bored of doing it pretty quickly so at least offer a small incentive/thanks. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: tranthidung on January 13, 2023, 01:36:44 PM That's why I think theymos should introduce badges with a couple of small perks to make it worthwhile. Reporting is a thankless task and most get bored of doing it pretty quickly so at least offer a small incentive/thanks. There is a userscript coded by @mprep
@PowerGlove, could you help please? Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on January 13, 2023, 03:03:56 PM Rest assured, the number of posts has decreased, but the number of shitposts has remained the same, and maybe even increased. If what you are saying is true, that despite the number of posts going 50% down the amount of shitposts remained the same or even increased, that would mean that forum became much worse place than it was just a year ago. I honestly haven't noticed such a big change, at least not in the parts of the forum where I am active. Now the trend has begun to work in the opposite direction, and many moments are forgiven. Even plagiarists are not touched if he has a high rank. Just recently I found a plagiarist who has over 10 plagiarisms, and they are on the forum right now, they have not been removed. The user is aware of them and is not in a hurry to correct them, continues to calmly wear a signature and receives money. And no one touches him, apparently the global moderators have an amnesty period, they forgive everyone who is older than the newbie rank. I have to agree with this, situation changed dramatically in that regard and while few years ago high ranking accounts were getting permanenly banned for a sentence they plagiarized years ago (which was too harsh imho), now mods became too lenient and letting obvious offender walk around like nothing happened (good example of that is naim027 who is still roaming around). Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Lucius on January 13, 2023, 04:50:06 PM That's why I think theymos should introduce badges with a couple of small perks to make it worthwhile. Reporting is a thankless task and most get bored of doing it pretty quickly so at least offer a small incentive/thanks. I have nothing against badges, but I think that it should be taken into account that the lowest limit for obtaining them is set high enough that it cannot be reached easily, and on the other hand, that it does not demotivate users to start making reports at all. And while we wait for that to happen, maybe it would be good to publish the list of top reporters for last year and the year before last, because if badges are any kind of technical challenge, the list certainly isn't. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Lafu on January 13, 2023, 07:30:53 PM I guess if we get the next statistics period from Dec to Jan there will be a grow up on them again maybe.
Also i dont know if the Bot from Mitchell also counts to the reports that shown in the statistics , maybe hilariousandco can light us or me up on that. And yes i think that the badges thing would animate more USers to report things . Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 13, 2023, 08:12:10 PM That's why I think theymos should introduce badges with a couple of small perks to make it worthwhile. Reporting is a thankless task and most get bored of doing it pretty quickly so at least offer a small incentive/thanks. The only thing is; if it isn't implemented correctly then the novelty will wear off, and we'll be back where we started. Currently, we don't have much motivation for reporting other than helping out. However, it does seem that a lot of users don't find that motivating enough, which again is fine. As you've talked about it, as well as I, and several others it's largely a thankless task. So, for reporting badges to see long term success we probably need to offer badges based on total reports, as well as within a certain time period; say monthly. So, the top monthly reporters get a badge to distinguish that, as well as badges for all time reports. Implementing a leader board, has it's downsides due to abuse, but would probably motivate a lot of users. As well, as having large enough badges that users don't achieve them all within a year or two. Since. a lot of users are now either at or approaching 100k reports. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: tranthidung on January 14, 2023, 11:28:47 AM It is a chart for Monthly Report Statistics since 2016. Enjoy!
The vertical red lines are for 01January dates. It seems reporters expectedly to have rest times in Christmas and New year holidays. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: digaran on January 14, 2023, 09:42:03 PM This happens when you create a system for ranking up in a pyramidical structure form, in a long term you'll be left with a group of high ranks, decreasing traffic, number of off topic posts to report, forum needs to be fed with new blood. One way for it is by removing merit from the ranking requirement, another way is by giving merits and smerits to reporters. Personally having smerits is an incentive for me to actively report.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on January 14, 2023, 10:08:36 PM This happens when you create a system for ranking up in a pyramidical structure form, in a long term you'll be left with a group of high ranks, decreasing traffic, number of off topic posts to report, forum needs to be fed with new blood. One way for it is by removing merit from the ranking requirement, another way is by giving merits and smerits to reporters. Personally having smerits is an incentive for me to actively report. If someone can't be bothered to write a half-decent post (as that's all that is needed in order to get merit) I really doubt that it will want to go around and report shitposts of others. If anything, meriting reporters will only lead to abuse of the system where people will use alt accounts to write shitposts and then report them on the main one. It would be a perfect system for account farmers, and that's something that is much harder now due existing merit system.Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: GazetaBitcoin on January 15, 2023, 06:11:31 PM That's why I think theymos should introduce badges with a couple of small perks to make it worthwhile. Reporting is a thankless task and most get bored of doing it pretty quickly so at least offer a small incentive/thanks. The only thing is; if it isn't implemented correctly then the novelty will wear off[...]So, for reporting badges to see long term success we probably need to offer badges based on total reports, as well as within a certain time period; say monthly. So, the top monthly reporters get a badge to distinguish that, as well as badges for all time reports. Implementing a leader board, has it's downsides due to abuse, but would probably motivate a lot of users. [...] As well, as having large enough badges that users don't achieve them all within a year or two. One way or another, I am sure that such badges would represent a great incentive for many forum users. Similar to other special badges, that were created in time -- the art contest recognition badges from 10th anniversary art contest or the Bitcoin Pizza Bitcointalk badge, which was said to be temporary, yet it's still active. If those badges could be implemented correctly, then why such badges for reporters present a risk in having them correctly implemented...? I don't understand what problems could arise... after all, other badges were implemented and no problem was generated (code-wise). a lot of users are now either at or approaching 100k reports. A lot of users are approaching 100.000 reports? Is this true? If anything, meriting reporters will only lead to abuse of the system where people will use alt accounts to write shitposts and then report them on the main one. It would be a perfect system for account farmers, and that's something that is much harder now due existing merit system. I also agree, merits would not be a good incentive, as it may be abused. On the other hand, maybe sMerits would not be such a bad idea though... I believe that it's harder to abuse sMerits than merits... Especially if they would be awarded in small amounts. However, this would also imply, probably, a lot of work (code-wise). Perhaps easiest solution is represented by the badges. But main question is: is theymos still willing to do it? :) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: franckuestein on January 15, 2023, 06:23:45 PM Period Nov 21 - Dec 21. In this period, 3405 reports handled as good, 267 handled as bad, 107 unhandled. Thanks for keeping us updated hilariousandco. It's an honor to be part of Bitcointalk's history. In this case with numbers after reporting other users misuse of the forum. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PowerGlove on January 20, 2023, 04:10:56 PM @PowerGlove, could you help please? Sure, I'd like to help with this. As theymos has said before (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4742257.msg49490704#msg49490704), when he initially set aside time to implement reporter badges, he realized that a proper implementation would take more effort than he could justify spending at the time.As I understand it, other than some (relatively) easy-to-handle complications (like letting members opt out, if they like) the main problem is what to do about people trying to earn the badges in ways that wouldn't be helpful to the forum (and might even be harmful). Offering status and recognition for a high number of moderation reports is likely to stimulate unnecessary reporting and inspire dishonest types to think up low-effort ways to earn these badges. The best solution I've been able to come up with so far is to introduce a new kind of merit (rMerit, and its sendable form: srMerit) and base the earning of badges on that. That way, mods can send you rMerit according to how useful your report was. If the mods have a consistent policy on how to distribute rMerit (i.e. sending none for unhelpful reports, and being generous with reports that are truly useful) then I think that would condition people away from the behaviors that theymos would like to avoid. There would probably have to be some kind of rMerit airdrop to reward people that have already put a lot of effort into cleaning up the forum. This would ideally be handled manually because applying an automatic exchange rate (e.g. 1 good report = 1 rMerit) is unlikely to produce fair results. Maybe the airdrop could be handled in a latent way, with mods reviewing old reports and selectively sending rMerit for them slowly over time (probably only for members that have "applied" for airdrop consideration, otherwise it would create far too much work for the mods). Of course, another way to go would be to skip the airdrop altogether and just start everyone off on a clean slate. I don't have access to the modified version of SMF that Bitcointalk runs on, and implementing the above as a patch against SMF 1.1.19 is unlikely to produce something that theymos would merge, so my hands are a little tied. I'm happy to work on implementing the above, but (realistically) I can only do so at theymos' request. Edit: Some people think this proposal is unnecessarily complicated, so I’ll try to justify its complexity a little: The current system is effectively binary; you get 0 or 1 "point" for every post you report. That means that someone who has reported 1000 posts with malware links is "graded" the same way as someone who has reported 1000 ancient posts for violating the "double posting" rule. One kind of activity is really valuable to the forum, the other much less so. The "rMerit" idea is about adding more granularity to the system, so that the difference in value can be exposed and the "right" kind of reports can be incentivized and rewarded properly. At first glance, this would seem to have little to do with reporter badges, but if theymos' concerns are valid, then this additional granularity turns out to be an essential ingredient (IMHO) in preventing (or, at least discouraging) people from trying to earn these badges in the lowest-effort way possible. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: GazetaBitcoin on January 20, 2023, 05:12:58 PM [...] While your idea seems very interesting, you have also to admit that it is very complex. And its complexity, together with the complexity of proper implementing it may lead to even more debates and more questions. "That way, mods can send you rMerit according to how useful your report was." -- what makes the report useful? What makes a report more useful than another? What report is useless but still leading to the reported post being deleted? And so on. Practically there should be also defined a system classifying each kind of reports (zero-vale posts, offtopic posts, spam, scam, referral links, plagiarism, double bump and so on) -- and this would lead to even more complex debates. Still, the idea is interesting but I think it would be way more difficult to implement it in a proper way than simply create some badges. And, speaking about badges, who do you think - seriously speaking - that would abuse somehow by reporting posts? It never happened before. I agree, this does not mean that it'll never happen in the future. However, I believe that chances are too low to take them into consideration... Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousetc on January 20, 2023, 05:16:29 PM That's why I think theymos should introduce badges with a couple of small perks to make it worthwhile. Reporting is a thankless task and most get bored of doing it pretty quickly so at least offer a small incentive/thanks. I have nothing against badges, but I think that it should be taken into account that the lowest limit for obtaining them is set high enough that it cannot be reached easily, and on the other hand, that it does not demotivate users to start making reports at all. And while we wait for that to happen, maybe it would be good to publish the list of top reporters for last year and the year before last, because if badges are any kind of technical challenge, the list certainly isn't. Well I think it would be kind of pointless if it was too easy. We can make several different badges as well or maybe the same badge but different colours for the number of reports. We could look at the latest stats on reporting and the monthly stats to determine where to set it at. I think there needs to be at least some point to reporting as 99% of people just won't do it unless it's for something urgent like malware etc (or just something that personally annoys them haha). I guess if we get the next statistics period from Dec to Jan there will be a grow up on them again maybe. Also i dont know if the Bot from Mitchell also counts to the reports that shown in the statistics , maybe hilariousandco can light us or me up on that. And yes i think that the badges thing would animate more USers to report things . Anything that is reported will be counted. If a bot autodeletes something with no report then it probably won't count. That's why I think theymos should introduce badges with a couple of small perks to make it worthwhile. Reporting is a thankless task and most get bored of doing it pretty quickly so at least offer a small incentive/thanks. The only thing is; if it isn't implemented correctly then the novelty will wear off, and we'll be back where we started. Currently, we don't have much motivation for reporting other than helping out. However, it does seem that a lot of users don't find that motivating enough, which again is fine. As you've talked about it, as well as I, and several others it's largely a thankless task. So, for reporting badges to see long term success we probably need to offer badges based on total reports, as well as within a certain time period; say monthly. So, the top monthly reporters get a badge to distinguish that, as well as badges for all time reports. Implementing a leader board, has it's downsides due to abuse, but would probably motivate a lot of users. As well, as having large enough badges that users don't achieve them all within a year or two. Since. a lot of users are now either at or approaching 100k reports. Yeah, good point. Maybe the badges can be time sensitive so you need to keep up the reporting constantly every month or whatever to keep them. That would encourage reporting on a consistent basis and not just mean people spam their way to achieve it then just abandon reporting all together once they get the badge, though I think there could be badges for huge reporting milestones. a lot of users are now either at or approaching 100k reports. A lot of users are approaching 100.000 reports? Is this true? Probably. actmyname had 38580 over a 12 month period when the last table was given: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360879.msg57980000#msg57980000 Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Halab on January 20, 2023, 06:42:24 PM I don't have access to the modified version of SMF that Bitcointalk runs on, and implementing the above as a patch against SMF 1.1.19 is unlikely to produce something that theymos would merge, so my hands are a little tied. I'm happy to work on implementing the above, but (realistically) I can only do so at theymos' request. I don't see Theymos giving you the keys of the forum so you can make your modifications, but maybe it's possible to give you a test (and private) version of the current version of Bitcointalk (without the sensitive stuff (Satoshi's PMs, Staff and Donators sections, the cave of dark secrets, etc...)). I'm not a dev, I don't know if it's hard to do, but it might be worth asking, you have nothing to risk. Of course Theymos has the last word if he implements or not your updates. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 20, 2023, 06:47:46 PM I don't see Theymos giving you the keys of the forum so you can make your modifications, but maybe it's possible to give you a test (and private) version of the current version of Bitcointalk (without the sensitive stuff (Satoshi's PMs, Staff and Donators sections, the cave of dark secrets, etc...)). Usually, developers can be given a certain type of access which allows them to only see what they need to see. However, I'm not sure Bitcointalk was ever built with that in mind. SMF, might have been, but we've deviated quite a bit from that. The way theymos was talking, I think it might be problems with abuse rather than actually implementing things though. While, implementing it could break things unexpectedly, I'd imagine the motivation is there. The only problem is; developing it in such a way it isn't abused. I'm not a dev, I don't know if it's hard to do, but it might be worth asking, you have nothing to risk. Of course Theymos has the last word if he implements or not your updates. I'm not sure we've got the answers to prevent that abuse either. It would be nice to hear theymos' actual specific concerns regarding it, and see it we as a community could actually come up with the answers. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PowerGlove on January 20, 2023, 09:14:52 PM [...] I agree. I wouldn't expect, and don't want that kind of access (i.e. database access). Getting a copy of the PHP and running it locally against a nearly-empty database with the same schema would be enough to give me more reach and let me produce better patches, but my impression (to date) is that theymos is not that eager to receive/review merge requests (at least, not complicated ones, or ones that are 99% there but need a little help from him to push them over the finish line), so there's very little incentive for him to trust me with his code (in fact, it might even be something he would end up regretting, because it's likely I would ramp up my forum improvement efforts in response). The only reason I raised the issue was so that I could justify saying: "Nope, not really." to "@PowerGlove, could you help please?".@Ratimov and @GazetaBitcoin both had reservations about the "rMerit" idea, so I've updated it (6 posts up (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360272.msg61626642#msg61626642)) with a justification for its complexity. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: digaran on January 22, 2023, 05:18:17 AM After some brain storming, I came to a conclusion, it'd be productive to announce a new change, and the change is the following:
Ask members to take part in reporting at least 200 good reports with a high accuracy rate in a month and put them on high priority to give them 100 merits for their good quality posts every month, this is two birds with one stone, at the same time they help out the community and in return the community returns the favor by checking their post history every month and giving them their 100 earned merits. You could accept at least 100 among the good reporters and set them to do the helping for a month just to receive their special treat of receiving 100 merits for their good posts and even rank up, why not reward those who are good for the forum? That way they don't need to search the forum to see who is handing out merits so they could go with their hand out just for a few already deserved merits. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PowerGlove on January 22, 2023, 11:50:12 AM After some brain storming, I came to a conclusion, it'd be productive to announce a new change, and the change is the following: [...] Even though I proposed this: Revised — Incentivizing moderation reports with millimerits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425674), I think I've come to agree with some of the people in that topic that it's not a good idea to mix merit with reporting (I still like my "rMerit" idea (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360272.msg61626642#msg61626642), though).Merit is meant to highlight good posts (read: contributes something) and allow good posters (read: habitually adds value) to rank up. When it's used for that purpose, everything is peaches and cream; lazy, low-effort posting is attenuated, and high-effort posting is boosted. When people get soft, and start handing out merit from a place of kindness or sympathy, or for reasons that aren't correlated with post quality, then you run the risk of inadvertently helping the kind of person that would go on to lower the already-low signal/noise ratio on Bitcointalk (by them joining a campaign and posting 30 times per week, whether they have anything interesting to say, or not). IMHO, a large percentage of the people who would jump at that offer (prioritized post history reviews in exchange for good reports) would be the kind of people that I'm talking about (i.e. posters that struggle to earn merit in the normal way, which is usually an indication that their contributions wouldn't be missed if they were to stop posting). If you feel that there are members that are being overlooked and/or getting less merit than they deserve, then use this topic (or similar): [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271). Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: GazetaBitcoin on January 22, 2023, 07:07:32 PM @Ratimov and @GazetaBitcoin both had reservations about the "rMerit" idea, so I've updated it (6 posts up (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360272.msg61626642#msg61626642)) with a justification for its complexity. Yup, I just noticed it now. Edit: Some people think this proposal is unnecessarily complicated, so I’ll try to justify its complexity a little: The current system is effectively binary; you get 0 or 1 "point" for every post you report. That means that someone who has reported 1000 posts with malware links is "graded" the same way as someone who has reported 1000 ancient posts for violating the "double posting" rule. One kind of activity is really valuable to the forum, the other much less so. I understand what you mean and I agree with the principle. It's same as in software or games testing, where reporting a bug for a flickering texture has a lower severity than a crash of the application or than a bug which makes you lose the progress you had so far. However, in testing industry, differentiating the severity of each issue was implemented from beginning and all bugs reported simply followed the reporting procedure: bug type X is considered blocker; bug type Y is considered as Critical; bug type Z is considered as Major; bug type XY is considered as Minor; bug type XZ is considered as Nice to have and so on. Basically, you are suggesting a similar system here, for classifying each type of report, based on the impact on the forum of the reported post. But the difference between us (the forum) and the system used in bugs reporting is that here no such system was designed from beginning. So, in order to have a similar system a lot of work has to be done: - classifying each type of report. But who will do that? theymos? theymos and mods? theymos and mods and users? - how will this classification be done? Based on Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules & guidelines? - after first two steps are completed then others come up -- educating mods to learn the new report severities; educating users to correctly use the new report severities (what will happen if mods will confound report severities when analyzing reports?) - last step and, maybe, most difficult: how will be implemented this system? By changing the code of the forum? As you see, although the idea is good, I don't know if it's also technically possible. Thinking just a little about it and so many questions appear. If it's too difficult to do it (although it may help a lot) then is it worth doing it? (Or, at least, trying to do it?) And so on... And, excepting all of the above, having in mind that theymos will change, at some point, the forum software, the question about the usefulness of the effort come back: is it worth working on this old forum code to implement this feature, since the forum will be renewed in the future? (And, if it will be changed then all this work may have to be done twice?) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PowerGlove on January 23, 2023, 03:07:31 AM [...] Yup, I get what you're saying, and I appreciate your points.I would answer them one-by-one, but I'm not that invested in this idea (other than believing that it's a technically sound countermeasure for theymos' concerns). So, I'll address your main points (as I see them): I don't believe that the administrative effort would be that significant. With the existing merit system, theymos seems to have taken a very hands-off approach, and it's working out pretty well, in my opinion. With the rMerit system, theymos might have to be a little more prescriptive, and write some rough guidelines for the mods to follow, but this would be (mostly) a once-off effort. I don't believe this would be that complicated to implement. I can appreciate how my complexity estimate would seem to have little value, but I did recently finish a 2FA patch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410201.msg61365723#msg61365723) for the forum, and I can tell you without hesitation that a basic implementation of reporter badges based on rMerit would be easy by comparison. I get what you're saying about duplicated work and Epochtalk making it difficult to justify effort being spent on SMF, but on the other hand, I think there's an opportunity to test and refine this idea on SMF before deciding whether it's worth adding to Epochtalk. One last thought, which I didn't make clear in my original proposal: I'm not suggesting making "rMerit" a thing that shows up on your profile page, or above your avatar. It's not meant to be on an equal footing with proper merit, it's just an implementation detail. The only people that should be worried about how it works, what it means, and where it's displayed are the people who are shooting for reporter badges. If it were implemented tomorrow, most people wouldn't even notice (there are almost no user-facing changes, besides the badges themselves). The way I see it working (at least, initially) is that when you go to report a post, you might see something like this: https://imgvb.com/images/2023/01/23/6a5180dca5001d4d411eda99e7a10b6b.png Seeing [rMerit: ...] would be enough of a clue for interested people to search the forum for "rMerit" and find the topic(s) describing rMerit ranks/badges and how much rMerit can be expected (typically) for different kinds of reports. Actually, as I'm explaining this, I'm realizing that calling it "rMerit" was probably a mistake and something like "rPoints" might sit better with people and lead to less confusion. Anyway, my point is that this doesn't have to be a "big" oh-my-god-this-changes-everything feature; it can be implemented in a very low-key way that only really affects the mods (and, of course, slowly affects the histogram of moderation reports, which is its whole purpose). One last-last thought, for the people that haven't been following the discussion: An important reason that this proposal would fare better (than the current system) against potential abuse problems, is that it separates the "action" taken in response to a report from the "reward" given in response to a report. Aside from underpinning moderation reports with an adjustable incentive structure, it opens up a class of reports that could still be marked as "good" and be acted on by the mods, but that would result in no reward (0 rMerit). Presumably, most people wouldn't bother with those types of reports. Deciding what kinds of reports should go in this class (e.g. really old posts with minor rule violations) would allow theymos to stop people from trying to "grind" these badges with low-effort strategies. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: digaran on January 23, 2023, 03:52:16 AM To add to PowerGlove's proposal, maybe after implementing his idea and seeing the results, we could also encourage campaign managers to pay a little more attention to the members with these badges? Not making it a requirement to join though.
Also it's a good idea if mods could decide who gets the rpoints to avoid farming. Thanks PowerGlove for your contribution. +5 merits. (have zero to send). Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: GazetaBitcoin on January 23, 2023, 12:05:24 PM I get what you're saying, and I appreciate your points. Glad if they were worth reading :) [...] Without having the technical skills you have, from what I just read, I understand that at code level the work is not so much as I (and others?) thought it could be. This is good news! Regarding the idea to test this change on SMF, in order to see if it's worth implementing it on the new forum software -- again, it makes sense. And I also think that rPoints sound better than rMerits, as this name would make less confusion than "rMerits". It seems you have all settled :) Now we need to see theymos' oppinion... Deciding what kinds of reports should go in this class (e.g. really old posts with minor rule violations) would allow theymos to stop people from trying to "grind" these badges with low-effort strategies. I'd make a mention here: as a dedicated reporter which I am, from my own point of view, I can say that there are not any low-effort strategies. I understand that a report breaking the rule related to plagiarism may be considered as way more valuable than a report for multiple posts in a row. However, if a reporter is skilled on plagiarism issues and he manages to get a few cases per month (per year?) should not be seen as God-a-like compared with a reporter which did not find any plagiarism issues but, instead, made 5000 reports of zero-value posts or of double bumping or of multiple posts in a row. The reports made by the lattest may have a lower value (taken one by one) compared with finding a case of plagiarism; yet, in order to make 5000 (good) reports of zero-value posts, this reporter would spend dozen of hours. So we have a first reporter, which works a few hours the entire year and reports a few (good) cases of plagiarism -- all good, bravo to him! But the second one, although he made reports with lower value, worked much, much harder than the first. Does this make any sense? Maybe reporting 50-100 zero-value posts is easy. But if someone reports 10.000 - 15.000 - 20.000 such posts, just imagine how much time it takes to do it (first of all, finding them; second of all, analyzing them into the context of the topic; then reporting them; writing a comment for each report etc.). I, for one, know how much time it takes. In some days I reported 800 posts. But, for doing that, I needed 12 hours or so, in a context when I already had prepared all those posts and I just had to hit "Report" button. If we count also the time needed for finding them and analyzing them -- you do the math :) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PowerGlove on January 23, 2023, 12:43:00 PM Deciding what kinds of reports should go in this class (e.g. really old posts with minor rule violations) would allow theymos to stop people from trying to "grind" these badges with low-effort strategies. I'd make a mention here: as a dedicated reporter which I am, from my own point of view, I can say that there are not any low-effort strategies. [...]Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Welsh on January 24, 2023, 07:03:59 PM To add to PowerGlove's proposal, maybe after implementing his idea and seeing the results, we could also encourage campaign managers to pay a little more attention to the members with these badges? Not making it a requirement to join though. Campaign managers hiring based on number of reports? I'm not sure they'd be that interested in that. Since, all they ultimately care about is the amount of posts, and the quality of posts. While, it'd be great for them to be a little more strict in certain areas when it comes to accepting users on their campaigns, I'm not sure encouraging them to count other things other than number of posts, and quality to be within their interests, and the communities. Also it's a good idea if mods could decide who gets the rpoints to avoid farming. Thanks PowerGlove for your contribution. +5 merits. (have zero to send). I just wish the lower quality campaigns would step up their game a little. I don't need them to completely change, and I don't think reporting should have any effect on their campaigns. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on March 13, 2023, 08:59:30 AM Period Dec 21 - Jan 20. In this period, 3265 reports handled as good, 216 handled as bad, 121 unhandled.
Period Jan 20 - Feb 19. In this period, 9232 reports handled as good, 356 handled as bad, 170 unhandled. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on April 19, 2023, 04:43:03 PM Period Feb 19 - Mar 21. In this period, 16589 reports handled as good, 321 handled as bad, 167 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on May 15, 2023, 07:35:41 AM Period Mar 21 - Apr 20. In this period, 8685 reports handled as good, 202 handled as bad, 143 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on June 06, 2023, 07:10:26 AM Period Apr 20 - May 20. In this period, 2025 reports handled as good, 121 handled as bad, 150 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on June 06, 2023, 10:49:08 AM Period Apr 20 - May 20. In this period, 2025 reports handled as good, 121 handled as bad, 150 unhandled. 2000 sent reports per month. It's even worse than I expected. 2000 reports for 167,000 posts published during the same period on the forum. I wonder whether the quality of posts on the forum has increased dramatically, or whether reporting itself has finally died as an activity. Something tells me it's the second option. People are just reporting less and less. There's nothing in it for most people and it's time consuming and a never ending amount of stuff to report so most people just don't bother or quickly grow tired of it. That's why I think theymos should implement something like reporting badges with some small perks so there's at least some incentive. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on June 06, 2023, 01:57:40 PM Or cancel the latest innovations related to restrictions on sending reports older than 6 months. That's why I think theymos should implement something like reporting badges with some small perks so there's at least some incentive. +1, that makes more sense than allowing reports of the old posts just for the sake of increasing post report number. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: tranthidung on June 06, 2023, 02:48:15 PM That's why I think theymos should implement something like reporting badges with some small perks so there's at least some incentive. theymos can deploy the badge anytime he wants. Problem is theymos does not want to do that. I recall that theymos wrote he does not want to deploy to many badges and make user profiles like rainbows.Sorry for the wait, when I went to implement this it ended up being quite a bit more of a can of worms than I originally thought because of opting out, preventing certain report-count-padding strategies, etc. It's still on my to-do list, but there are several things above it. Meanwhile, we have [Userscript] Unofficial Bitcointalk Reporter Badges (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383802.0) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: PowerGlove on June 06, 2023, 04:56:51 PM There's nothing in it for most people and it's time consuming and a never ending amount of stuff to report so most people just don't bother or quickly grow tired of it. Yep, there's not a whole lot of incentive for most people to spend their time doing it. It's also one of those things that feels like "someone else" will pick up the slack, so it's not a big deal if you don't participate.I recently tried to dedicate more of my time to reporting, and I had my first experience with one of my reports being marked as "bad". That's cool, an opportunity to learn I guess (I like LoyceV's perspective (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453485.msg62276015#msg62276015) on "bad" reports). But I was just getting started (only 197 reports) so I didn't have access to the view that would allow me to see which one it was. All I could do from my end was go through my local record of reports (I keep a text file) and then follow up on each of them (i.e. see which ones were handled and which ones weren't), to try to determine which one was "bad". I picked a small handful that I thought would be likely candidates, and I was pretty disappointed by what I found. For example, one of the reports was to do with a string of 6 posts, and the mod that handled it only merged the last two posts for some reason (by no logic that I could ascertain, each of them was short and only separated by a few minutes). Another was someone that posted the same thing twice in a row, except that the second post included an additional question, and the mod deleted the longer of the two posts. Maybe I'm super unlucky, but finding two cases like that after only checking ~10 of my reports doesn't exactly inspire confidence, you know? (That the mods are performing their duties with due care, that is.) Now that I'm aware that there's a non-negligible chance that my future reports will be quickly skimmed and then mishandled, I'm struggling to find the motivation to keep doing it... I don't think I'll pick it up again (I can't abide by sloppy moderation), but on a brighter note, if there's ever a consensus on how to motivate people to get into reporting (i.e. reporter badges, or something similar), then I'll happily donate the dev time required to implement it (I think reporter badges based on some variant of the "rMerit/rPoints" idea will end up working out quite nicely; some of my thoughts on that are here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360272.msg61626642#msg61626642), and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360272.msg61638784#msg61638784)). Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Lafu on June 06, 2023, 08:51:50 PM Period Apr 20 - May 20. In this period, 2025 reports handled as good, 121 handled as bad, 150 unhandled. Thats for sure not much reports for one month and a little bit scary of that numbers and what we got the month before and all.Maybe its also because that the spring and nearly summertime has started in a lot of countries and people dont spend that much time on the Forum. I can say that i daily making some reports and whenever i see something i hit the report to moderator button. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Sarah Azhari on June 07, 2023, 12:03:08 AM Period Apr 20 - May 20. In this period, 2025 reports handled as good, 121 handled as bad, 150 unhandled. The reported post decreased for each month, Maybe the reporter have a busy, or maybe the psychological condition is the same as the Bitcoin priceThat's why I think theymos should implement something like reporting badges with some small perks so there's at least some incentive. Is the member who has a reporter badge will be accused and will be hated? because who knows, the member whose post was deleted, getting not paid because of not enough weekly post quota, and they accused members who have reporter badges. And, I don't know why Administrator didn't update the statistic or top reporter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360879.0) again. it's been 2 years I can't see the update, maybe a post like that will make the reporter excited again to continue again his activity. (Because of human nature), there is a sense of pride if their name exists on the list. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on June 07, 2023, 05:39:48 AM With such thinking, you can generally stoop to the point that let's not report any posts at all. Slippery slope.Reporting a post from 2015-2017 may not make sense, reporting a post from 2020 does make sense, as topics containing such posts are often still active, and if they become a little cleaner, no one will get worse from this. Forum won't become a worse place by deleting 3 years old posts, but I don't think it will become noticeably better either. At least not enough that its worth it to deal with those. After all, I don't think that only important metric is number of deleted posts, but also where and when those posts are written as well, but unfortunately that's info that we don't have access to. In my opinion, 1 report of a post written today by a signature campaign shitposter is worth more than 100 reports of old bumps and similar shitposts written 3 years ago by some low rank shitposter or paid thread bumper. And that's why I like this new change, because those who like to report can actually focus their energy on something that affects this forum much more. Yes, indeed, let's put on beautiful badges, and tons of shit will continue to lie on the forum. It turns out that the meaning of reporting is not to remove as much garbage as possible, but to stick some useless nonsense to the user that does not affect anything. Indeed, it makes a lot more sense. Introducing badges would make people report more recently produced garbage (that's simply how things work as people like these kind of things) which in the end would make this forum much better place than removing posts written years ago. Keep in mind that you are still free to report old posts and they will get deleted unless you report it for one of the trivial reasons. Is the member who has a reporter badge will be accused and will be hated? Reports are anonymous, no one except forum staff knows who reported which post.because who knows, the member whose post was deleted, getting not paid because of not enough weekly post quota, and they accused members who have reporter badges Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on June 07, 2023, 06:19:44 AM It is worth discussing the meaning or meaninglessness of something only if it concerns everyone. If some activity is strictly voluntary, then why these arguments about whether it makes sense or not? You seem to keep forgetting that someone actually has to manually handle those reports, they are not automatically deleted. So its not only about those few who report old posts. With that being said, maybe forum staff concluded that moderators energy should be more focused at reports that affect members (and therefore forum) more, which are of those recently written posts instead spending a lot of their time going through thousands of reports each month that affect forum members very little, if anything. Now we see that no one else directs any energy anywhere. Nobody cares about these reports. Hence small incentive like report badge or something along those lines. Don't get me wrong, I personally don't care about the badges at all but I am pretty certain that would make people report way more so why not. Only problem is that chances of that happening are slim to none but who knows, stranger things have happened. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Halab on June 07, 2023, 05:57:06 PM I'm sure that many moderators are not at all averse to processing old reports and getting rid of various garbage. I'm only going to speak for myself, but if you report an old post in the Fr section, I will probably handle it. If you report 10-20-100 old posts in important/interesting topics, I will probably handle them so that these topics are rid of parasite posts. But if you report 10-20-100 old posts in topics that have fallen into the abyss, I will send you a PM to ask you to stop, it's useless, nobody is going to read or reread these topics. And I'd feel like I am stealing Theymos :) Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: dzungmobile on June 08, 2023, 01:25:25 AM Is the member who has a reporter badge will be accused and will be hated? Reports are anonymous, no one except forum staff knows who reported which post.because who knows, the member whose post was deleted, getting not paid because of not enough weekly post quota, and they accused members who have reporter badges Spammers, shit posters might not know who report their posts but when they lose their minds, they might pull their gun towards reporter-badged members. It is vague fear from Sarah but it is understandable. Hate reporters or not, they don't have many things to do against reporters. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Lafu on June 08, 2023, 01:34:08 AM they might pull their gun towards reporter-badged members. It is vague fear from Sarah but it is understandable. Hate reporters or not, they don't have many things to do against reporters. They can pull there guns , we are always ready to fight them and there is nothing to fear.With or without a reporter badged let them come and if they think they are treated wrong they can complain to the Moderators. If they are spamming , shitposters or anything that should be reported just report it , the community will be on your side. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on June 08, 2023, 06:14:48 AM Your reply is true but personally, I think Sarah Azhari implied about negative attitude towards forum members with reporter badges in general. Reading her post again, might be that I misunderstood her concerns.Spammers, shit posters might not know who report their posts but when they lose their minds, they might pull their gun towards reporter-badged members. I might be wrong here, but I really think that people who deserve the report post badge (those very few with a large amount of reports) would have no issues dealing with some heat from an ocassional shitposter who would be triggered enough go against anypne with a badge so I don't think that would be a problem either. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: LoyceV on June 08, 2023, 02:55:43 PM For me, the most demotivating thing when it comes to reporting is if the offending user isn't properly dealt with. Therefore I now add more and more shitposters or chatbot plagiarism spammers to Ignore. That means I only report them once, and if they aren't banned, I don't waste my time on them anymore.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on July 14, 2023, 07:59:44 AM Period May 20 - Jun 19. In this period, 1543 reports handled as good, 82 handled as bad, 133 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on August 12, 2023, 05:51:27 AM Period Jun 19 - Jul 19. In this period, 2232 reports handled as good, 71 handled as bad, 79 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on September 13, 2023, 09:01:16 AM Period Jul 19 - Aug 18. In this period, 2107 reports handled as good, 103 handled as bad, 182 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on October 14, 2023, 07:28:05 AM Period Aug 18 - Sep 17. In this period, 2205 reports handled as good, 53 handled as bad, 145 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on November 14, 2023, 05:36:32 AM Period Sep 17 - Oct 17. In this period, 2017 reports handled as good, 86 handled as bad, 111 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on November 22, 2023, 10:03:31 AM Period Oct 17 - Nov 16. In this period, 2377 reports handled as good, 92 handled as bad, 181 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on December 22, 2023, 06:56:56 PM Period Nov 16 - Dec 16. In this period, 1943 reports handled as good, 87 handled as bad, 209 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on January 20, 2024, 11:24:24 PM Period Dec 16 - Jan 15. In this period, 1664 reports handled as good, 116 handled as bad, 144 unhandled.
Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: tranthidung on April 24, 2024, 02:18:33 AM Generally there are less reports over time and after sharply increase from late 2021 to first half 2022, the trend is very severe downwards.
Data Code: +---------------------------------------------------------+ Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on April 24, 2024, 10:30:24 AM Period Jan 15 - Feb 14. In this period, 1812 reports handled as good, 72 handled as bad, 93 unhandled.
Period Feb 14 - Mar 15. In this period, 1699 reports handled as good, 77 handled as bad, 122 unhandled. Period Mar 15 - Apr 14. In this period, 1821 reports handled as good, 53 handled as bad, 149 unhandled. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: examplens on April 24, 2024, 02:39:59 PM Generally there are less reports over time and after sharply increase from late 2021 to first half 2022, the trend is very severe downwards. If I remember correctly, Ratimov had over 100k reports. Some other very active members left the forum, I don't know their statistics, but that's the first thing that comes to mind when I see this downtrend. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: dzungmobile on April 24, 2024, 02:45:46 PM If I remember correctly, Ratimov had over 100k reports. Some other very active members left the forum, I don't know their statistics, but that's the first thing that comes to mind when I see this downtrend. Yes, I know. Ratimov used to be very actively with his reporting works. He even reported posts that are very old like many years ago and also created his topic to complain about moderators.His departure is one of biggest factors that reports drop a lot recent months but I feel with AI waves, there will be more reports in coming months but I don't expect spikes like Ratimov's effects. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: Rikafip on April 24, 2024, 03:32:16 PM His departure is one of biggest factors that reports drop a lot recent months but I feel with AI waves, there will be more reports in coming months but I don't expect spikes like Ratimov's effects. Even if he stayed I don't think that report numbers would be much bigger since big chunk of his reports (not only his though) were made for posts that were several years old and it became pointless to report those posts after change in how mods/admins handle those kind of reports (which was a good move imho). Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: tranthidung on April 25, 2024, 02:49:50 PM Even if he stayed I don't think that report numbers would be much bigger since big chunk of his reports (not only his though) were made for posts that were several years old and it became pointless to report those posts after change in how mods/admins handle those kind of reports (which was a good move imho). Ratimov is a main contributor of spike in reports in 2022 or 2023, and I read his complains about moderator works to deal with his reports on very old posts too. Then easier policy on plagiarisms, AI tend to make reporters are less interested in making reports. Ratimov wrote that he disappointed about it and no longer wanted to report 'bad' posts.Ratimov now gone, his account was locked, and recent months, it seems more bans on plagiarisms and AI-generated posts. Hopefully it will give reporters some motivation to get back with their reports. One of his complains 2000 sent reports per month. It's even worse than I expected. 2000 reports for 167,000 posts published during the same period on the forum. I wonder whether the quality of posts on the forum has increased dramatically, or whether reporting itself has finally died as an activity. Something tells me it's the second option. One reply to his complain. Quote from: hilariousando Reporting posts from 2018 in dead threads that have already been locked really isn't necessary. Sometimes it seems like people are going out of their way to find stuff to report. Posts that have been edited shouldn't be removed anyway as someone can just edit their post and then report it to try make sure it's fully deleted and people can try cover their tracks this way. There probably should be some sort of statue of limitations on certain stuff because posts in dead threads from years ago really isn't an issue. If you want to report stuff there's thousands of posts made a day by shitposters so it's not like you'll ever run out of stuff to do. Title: Re: Monthly Report Statistics Post by: hilariousandco on May 21, 2024, 09:41:40 AM Period Apr 14 - May 14. In this period, 1926 reports handled as good, 71 handled as bad, 147 unhandled.
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