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Silker is a Twitch streamer and would use his influence & position to ask for money from his viewers, other streamers, friends, etcetra. Then he would gamble away all of this borrowed money on sports betting. Mostly tennis matches lol

Here's a tweet by Jake Lucky on this https://twitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1571309473402355712


Twitch has turned into a cesspool of gambling addicts and gambling pushers. Do you think it's a responsible content creation & moderation on a platform which is used by teens, kids, and young adults?

Will this be the straw that will finally break the Camel's back and will force Twitch to ban gambling streams?
I hope it does.

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on off shore casinos.
https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I used to be a Twitch user but I dropped it and turned to Youtube and Dailymotion because of the lack of useful content it's a good hub for streamers and those who love streams love to be here, this has become one of the channels for streamers because of the interaction between streamers and followers, and on about borrowing money on his followers that too much they are making money from their stream sponsoring they don't have to do that, they will lose their reputation and followers and streamers abuse his followers.


Twitch should be responsible enough and take a stand and decide if this is what they want on their platform, they should at least limit these streamers or penalized if they abuse their followers.

If what you've mentioned is an isolated case, they may not ban it, Twitch thrives on gambling streaming and they have gambling streams too on Youtube.

If there would be some petitions specially if its on big or huge scale then Twitch might consider on having that ban but so far if they arent getting that much complaint then they would just let those people do continue on what they are doing.
If we do speak about ethical or not then it would always boils down on someones perspective,view or opinion.It isnt really just right that you would be having that sort of online begging
just for you to make out some sports betting.
Somehow, these people wont make out to have some bets if there were no people been sending some money.

I'm not sure about the terms and conditions of the Twitch. Based on that it is quite an easy thing for the Twitch team to stop users from creating and broadcasting their contents. For now gambling is getting popular around and Twitch got importance for its scheduled streaming and different giveaways. As one of the user stated, people will move towards other forms of streaming opportunities.

It's gonna be tricky though, I try to search for the keyword gambling in their TOS and nothing comes up,

https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/terms-of-service/

But it says:


So it seems that there is no clear violation as far as their TOS goes for this gambling streamers. And if the company is making millions if not billions due to the crypto boom, then it might be very hard for them to just shut it down. And for sure if they do that, there could be another streaming services that will pop up and then the cycle continues. Unless they are going to review first those live streams and then stop it right away before it got views.

Although this is not the first time that they have to do with something illegal if I'm not mistaken. There was some controversies about the "skins gambling" in CS:GO.

Twitch doesn't care unless they are called out by a lot of their streamers on Twitter. So long as it does not break their terms and they are still making loads of money from that streamer, they won't take an action. The heads of Twitter doesn't seem to care about the community at all, given the amount of scandals their platform produced from streamers and a lot of negative reviews against the management of the streaming platform. I think a lawsuit will help Twitch to start to listen to their patrons once and for all, but there isn't anything to throw at them, really.

Seeing so many twitch streamers fall prey to gambling addiction and become real life representatives for the negative darkside of gambling.

Wouldn't it be better to expose as many youth to them as possible. To encourage them to take a different path in life.

I'm curious as to how this works. If children walk down the street and see drug addicts on street corners. Would that encourage them to not be a drug addict? Or does it become socially normalized?

If youth on twitch see gamblers have personal problems and disorders related to gambling. Would it make them less likely to gamble? Or would they choose to follow in the footsteps of gambling addicts?

Seeing lots of people I know have their lives go downhill after being involved with drugs. Was the best motivation for me staying away from drugs. I don't understand how some try not to learn from the life mistakes of others.

Well one, I don't think asking for money and failing to repay them is a problem for twitch, it's actually just a problem for the streamer itself and afaik, twitch accepts gambling streams in of itself, which I would assume has some sort of moderation towards showing it to accounts that have kids age (which ofc, can easily be bypassed but that's another thing). Two, this issue better be blown to proportions before we see twitch actually taking action. Proportions to the level where they would investigate the streamer legally at that point.

Curiosity I guess? Never really had it though but it's probably the only thing children would have when it comes to something their parents keep them away from without actually explaining it in terms that they could udnerstand.

That is what it turned into right now. As long as it amasses views, streamers will do anything, with no restrictions. They do not mind if it will have a negative effect on their viewers or whether kids will be following and copying their actions.

But I do not think that Twitch will do anything about it unless there are mass reports on this kind of content. Twitch is still a business and if it is earning money from it then it will continue. They will do nothing unless the community forces them to do something about it.

According to what I have read, gambling content particularly slots are permitted to be streamed on twitch. I think they don't have a rule in their terms of service that states an outright ban or suspension for those creators of gambling streaming content. This is why there are a lot of streamers on gambling games that share their content in twitch since it is a platform that caters their interest, and do not really have a strict regulation or limitation of content creations topic.

Perhaps twitch will just be alarmed and will make necessary actions the moment they will be called out by many in other platforms. Since they are profiting with what their streamers are doing, there's a big chance that they will just let this kind of cases to slide unless there's an urge for them to make a step to put such things into halt. Personally, I don't really get why streamer like Sliker will still ask to borrow money, most especially from his viewers because he makes a decent income for sure in streaming his content and therefore he shouldn't be soliciting from his followers. This just shows how addicted he is in gambling and how he handles his financial matters which is not really a role model specifically to the younger generations lurking around twitch platform.

Too early for Twitch to be something that the government will interfere to this issue.  This is not like Twitter where almost everyone is there. Too bad for gamblers to fall for what the streamers are saying and scamming them.

The Twitch CEO I think can do something to stop these streamers but they might be afraid they'd also lose users for censoring this early. That's the dilemma to face.

If in the Twitch ToS that this activity is prohibited, it will definitely be banned, but it could be banned even though it does not violate the ToS if many report and consider content such as gambling to have a bad impact.
Twitch is already one of the platforms used by many streamers and this gives their business an advantage if they ban gambling content it will have an impact on they earnings so in my opinion as long as there are no reports and complaints of gambling content on Twitch will persist

More like "IDIOT".

We all know all twitch streamer is getting a contract with casino for promoted them, and they using a promoted money to playing but streamer getting a different payment depends on the deal like (How old is the contract/by each video).

This, guys using a real money ~LOL.

Twitch banned most of the Adult female streamers(also known as thots) for NSFW content.
Why do you think that Twitch won't ban the gambling streamers?
I'm not using Twitch anymore and I don't like that platform, but from my experience, Twitch is very slow when it comes to banning streamers that violate their Terms of Service. Maybe the platform is just too big and Twitch doesn't have a big enough team of moderators and customer support representatives that would effectively control all streamers. I'm sure that the gambling streamers will be banned in the long run.

It both parties benefited, Twitch and then the streamers, then it will be very difficult to stop the proliferation of gambling in their platform.

But if some government agency stop up the place and give a stern warning on the platform, then maybe they will do something and ban those streamers for good or be on the lookout. But for now, I would say it will continue and it is going to grow big as crypto gambling is now the thing as far as online gambling.

I think gambling streams are difficult to ban especially from governments when they have no incentive to do so.This is an example of a huge addiction which makes anyone even a great streamer to lose his mind as only a person who does not think clearly ask for money from viewers,friends,relatives etc.

So this borrowed money if it is gambled away it means that this guy Silker has no intention to pay it back which makes it even a bigger offense.What his followers should do is stop lending him money so he cannot gamble all of them away,he needs to be back on his head and then to continue streaming.Every addicted person streamer or no streamer is a dangerous individual in the sense that they cannot and should not be trusted with any money.

My thoughts on the gambling problem being related to the Sliker issue may be overbearing. This could be among the worst case scenarios of gambling addiction. Perhaps it could be something else that demands such expenses, like drugs or pills, or even bills too. Hell, it could be a hustle!
Having to borrow consecutively in that order however, is a concern, also, making it seem like the streaming site, 'Twitch' is solely responsible for Slikers pleasurable fondliness, is rather excessive.
Twitch should be able to sanction him if these persons/viewers from whom he had borrowed, make complaints that corroborate others.
Unlike other well-known streaming apps online today, the owners of Twitch want to make a profit and be on a pedestal. Hence, a sanction is imminent for Sliker if he continues in this manner.

Nothing about gamba twitch streams and this fiasco is an ethical question. It's very clear cut.



This case is direct result of normalizing gambling. This should be enough evidence that Twitch is deteriorating morals of its users by not censoring addictive vices.

This is what I don't get. Brands don't advertise in gambling category, so twitch doesn't earn as much money from slots as they earn from other categories.
If twitch bans gamba streams then streamers will be forced to create content in other categories, which pays more(to Twitch and the creator).

I am perpplexed too. Why isn't it banned already!


Twitch is probably worried about losing its users to the competition. Since a ban on gamba may trigger an exodus of slot streamers to other sites with more freedom. They give zero shit about what happens to Johnny when he starts gambling on his mommy's card after watching guys like trainwreck and ending up on streets 10 years later.

Those streamers are also using their popularity to gain money regardless of what they're promoting. This kind of app is hard to stop especially if they have lots of supporters. It will be helpful if the warning would come from the government but I guess they won't fully control those streaming activities but their warnings and reminders will be a big help.

I remember seeing an apology video from this dude but I don't that is enough, he needs to pay them back and then apologize again. I'm wondering if the people he borrowed from can file a case against him.

maybe, but I doubt it. gambling isn't the only addicting thing that is being streamed on that platform that affects young audiences and adults.

It seems to me that such sites primarily care about their profits, so they do not care what content users consume, in addition, the shares of many companies continue to fall and clearly they will not spend extra money to improve moderation channels. I think we can expect an increase in fraud and dangerous content on Twitch, so try to keep your children away from such sites.

It will take a popular streamer also as in Twitch address it to the team.
If there will be lots of complains to the streamer, the Twitch team can propose something to what gambling streamers can and can't to avoid issues.

This is a minor issue for Twitch though. If  Twitch is not doing somwthing then they are more focus in growing and getting more popular against their competitors.

They are popular enough as it is because there are not many competitors in this field. When such platforms start to develop they spend a lot of money to protect the interests of their users, but when they have already gained a lot of users they do not need it because the platform itself is a driver of attraction. So you can forget about it.

This is a form of begging and twitch strictly doesn’t allows it especially they are directly asking money for gambling. They implement star system to reward streamer so that they will not ask money directly so this thing is obviously a violation of ToS or worst gambling streaming in general will be affected if there will a mass report in regards to this matter.

Afaik, This same scenario starts the strict implementation of rules against crypto by social platform like Facebook because of too much scam happened in the platform. This is very bad on the booming market of gambling streaming.

I think it's because the supervision from Twitch isn't tight enough that we can still watch content that smells of gambling so that it will attract people who use Twitch to try gambling. Maybe they are responsible for all their users. The real responsibility remains with the users because they should use the content available on the internet properly and not become addicted to gambling. We see today that people can find many things on the internet and if we don't filter it, then there is a possibility that we will be dissolved into it. Maybe later, Twitch will try to filter content for 18 years and over so people under 18 can't access the content.

Twitch has been a cesspool for a long time (compared to its historical role as a game streaming service), and I don't think this case is anything special given the current state of things on the platform. But if you are interested in specific games and specific streamers, you should not care that there are many other things on the platform that are unacceptable to you - just do not go to their streams.

All the gambling streams are 18+, teens and kids are not supposed to watch them, but we know the reality is other. I don't think the platform is doing a responsible moderation on this, because as you say, this gamblers are only getting in debts with everyone and digging a deep hole.


I don't think twitch will ban gambling because in the end isn't an illegal activity, that's why twitch allow it and will keep allowing in the future.

Twitch's biggest mistakes: 1) Allowing IRL content, 2) Creating the 'Slots' category

LOL
The amount of money gambling streamers generate for twitch (from streamer subs, bits donations, ads, sponsorships paid directly to twitch) is insane, we're talkings millions of dollars, and so far everything is legit and completely legal

btw, one of the latest twitch drama stories is that a gambling streamer got caught paying several Twitch staff around 5 figures in crypto ($50.000-$80.000). You think twitch is gonna stop this? when even the company staff are part of the whole thing? nah

You have a good point when you mentioned the fact Twitch is a streaming service where a lot of children and teens spend their time watching their favorite internet stars or former youtubers to play and most of the times to have a good time while helping those streamers to earn money, that being said it is a very delicate situation to have people like this one (and many others) introducing children and teens to the world of gambling.

I expect Twitch to end up banning gambling completely from their streaming service or going for a more moderate approach first and see if this works, they could do the same they did with the hot tub issue, they created a completely new category for girls in hot tubs, I found it rather silly but it worked, those who wanted to see women in a Jacuzzi found their place.

In case of gambling, Twitch may require people for KYC to allow them to enter a stream where the host is gambling on live, though, creating a category would not be enough, it seems this Silker guy does have some serious issues hopefully he manages to get his stuff together.

There are a lot of parallels between people getting addicted to gambling and people who follow some of these streamers in a cult-like fashion. Many people out there look at the lifestyles of streamers, getting paid all day to play games essentially, and end up worshiping them like a celebrity. It's slightly sad in a way because they think through donations and other activities that they somehow form a bond with these people, but once these streamers reach a certain level they will just be churning viewers. At that point they are earning so much money from donations, sponsorships and other funding they really won't notice if all their original subscribers left and new ones came in. Not even sure why Twitch tolerates this when they are meant to be a relatively young fan base orientated site.

"Would use his influence" meaning this guy is a famous streamer so he must be receiving tips during his streams and didn't he have any sponsorship? He can always apply one if he haven't yet. That should make him good money already.

There is no need to risk his reputation by borrowing money. Don't tell me that he did it because he also lose all of his earnings on gambling. If that is the case then he must be heavily addicted with gambling already. He better find ways to stop this because if not then this will get worse. For now, maybe someone will report to twitch so that he will be banned there. That is to prevent him for borrowing for more money and also to teach him a lesson. Maybe he will change after that.

Well, these people that are already out of control with their addiction just had found a new way to fund themselves. If that's what he's been doing and he later on released a statement of his apology.

Then, he sees the fault of himself that he should haven't done that. Whether there's a clause on Twitch's TOS or there's none, that's not really the best way to gamble.

But for his fans that have been giving their money to him, there are those folks that would just like to see them gamble and support it with their money.

Twitch should be more restrictive for the contents like this and won't allow to younger teens and kids to view them.

I was wondering why people blame Twitch and so I had to check other video platforms as well. It turns out that Youtube also suspended accounts whose contents are mostly related to gambling "by mistake" but were later reinstated.

I'm really not in favor of banning. I would rather have them enforce a strict regulation on age limit.

How to enforce age limit? Considering that you could sign up on various or all of platforms with having those age checkboxes that you are above age 18+ or something like that and we know that
even youngsters would just simply check it out and proceed which make things even more harder to control on unless if there would be some sort of KYC verification?
It would really be a huge turn down if ever one of these platforms would be applying it in terms of registration or just simply using up on the site.
They do have set of rules and regulations and if they dont prohibit gambling then its their choice.

Yes I understand it's going to be tough to implement that. The whole point there is to find other ways to minimize involvement of the underage viewers than a straight out ban of content. I mean it would seem unfair to block them when gambling isn't even prohibited by law - only regulated.

So I just found out that twitch has updated their gambling-related policies today, which seems like an answer to the Sliker issue since it seems like it blew up.
https://twitter.com/twitch/status/1572347129192132611?s=46&t=iEgymbuwfEHY6LTs9dTS6g (https://twitter.com/twitch/status/1572347129192132611?s=46&t=iEgymbuwfEHY6LTs9dTS6g)
https://i.imgur.com/zC1a961.png

Seems like instead of removing it all, they've limited it to a few ones that are the most famous ones. I'm all in for letting sports betting alone since that's kind of a sports-related watch along sometimes, but I doubt poker being left alone was good.

It'd be great if Twitch decides to ban gambling in the future but at the same time I think it's still not enough when gambling content still exists on other platforms like Youtube. I agree with you though instead of relying on the platform to make changes it's better if we take the initiative so that we don't fall into these gambling addiction since it can still escalate even if it's not within a casino. Afaik twitch already has a warning message for streams that aren't recommended for younger audiences but it's not enough to stop them from watching any stream.

Even though it's not the entire gambling content that at least should stop most of the gambling streams on Twitch since the bigger streamers usually play slots and other casino games.

Basically like youtube. There have been lots of it on youtube as well.  Probably the retain ones that are paying them up to 6 figures as stated above which Twitch receives from them. It's a business after all. Eventually, the victims will learn anyway, and some of them will comment more on the video to warn others.

What Twitch can do is tag streamers to add disclaimers to thier video description.

The issue does not lie in censoring the influencer or the social network, it is necessary to parameterize what content can be seen without warnings.

 Any form of alert is useful, since censorship is not the way to go since that only serves to create other alternatives, which exist and are not as popular as Twitch but are worse.

 It is a question of the will of the platform to create this type of alerts in the same way as they do to block audio and video due to copyright or advertising embedding.

Twitch has taken some measures to limit what kind of gambling can be streamed on their platform. I don't think they could outright ban gambling in it's entirety. A lot of free to play video games contain gambling elements with loot boxes and gacha mechanics. These types of games are very popular on Twitch and so are other types of streams which can be considered morally questionable. The banning of certain content will only serve to calm down some of the outrage but it won't have any real effect on gambling addiction.

I saw the announcement from Twitch.tv on Twitter started to circulate and didn't realize that an Amazon subsidiary would single out websites in their blanket gambling ban from platforms outside of the U.S. in their official announcement. But hey, free advertising. Seems unfairly targeted, but I digress.

This character "Sliker" seems to be a big part of why this discussion is even happening. I'm for adults having the liberty of what type of entertainment they choose to consume, and if a disclaimer on gambling related live streamers might waive liability from children watching the shows, then put a disclaimer on the channel. Because one live streamer decides to swindle money from viewers, everyone else has to suffer?

It is possible not unless the site would pay the platform so they could run their stream freely without being blocked. I think it will be more effective if we will avoid such streams like this or as much as possible try not to fall into their trap. Gambling addiction is still our personal choice and the decision still depends on us.

I first watched about this from Turkish streamer called Jahrein, as he mostly mentioned what was going on. I think I feel like total ban on gambling ads or gambling sponsored streams were exeggarated move from Twitch side. I feel like mainly corrupt Twitch staff abused a guy and got some Bitcoin in returns. Twitch could just ask streamer to stop sending Bitcoin and terminate contracts of corrupt stuff they have. Its weird obviously.
Source for this: https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/twitch-staff-slammed-for-taking-80000-trainwreck-payment-live-on-stream-1936895/

Update: Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos. It's a win in my book. At least we won't see the same amount of shills turning kids into gambling addicts on twitch :)

https://i.imgur.com/jTqZTAq.png

I have been saying this for months and it finally happened!!

I am really happy today, gonna order some vanilla ice cream lol

So only sports betting, fantasy sports, and poker will be allowed to show up on Twitch, while all sites that do not allow to promote on Twitch. But I am sure those sites will have other ways to promote their sites on the other sites.

But yes, it will help kids from watching gambling content and hopefully, this can prevent someone from becoming addicted to gambling. Hopefully, it will not reduce the income for Twitch a lot since gambling contributes a big income for them.

I always see to it that my kids won't access this website. It's not for kids at all, most streamers are gamers and gamblers and most are an adult types of games. I'd rather subscribe them on streamers in youtube with contents that don't curse, or adults that makes kids contents. i.e. Blippi  ;D

About what they do making a pool of donated funds to be gambled, it's all up to who will send them the money.
If you think it's a waste then don't. It's not like they are forcing you to send the money. In fact, they are almost begging for funds to come in.
It's also a battle of popularity, if you are not known at all, you might end up not receiving even a penny.

Cool!

Several gambling websites will be banned by Twitch as part of its updated gambling policy. Slots, roulette, and dice are no longer allowed to be streamed from unlicensed gambling sites. An ongoing gambling controversy prompted the announcement of the change. Though the gambling streams and the skimpy streamers make them far too much money.

The act of gambling itself is not harmful, but once it becomes excessive, it becomes insane. Is gambling something I agree with? I don't. However, that is how they make their money, so let it be.

That's fast Twitch may have received a lot of bad reports about streamers abusing their followers, I don't see anything wrong on doing stream on sports betting and casinos, you're informing, enlightening people and educating people on the gambling feature of one casino, anyway there are still a lot of streaming platform that these streamers can perform their streaming but they should not abuse their followers, like what Sliker did.

It's not the first time that a streamer scammed their subs and friends, hell, there are tons of cases that got more than 10x the attention that the Silker's case got and Twitch didn't do anything

Most likely this change in the TOS and policy was caused by the backlash twitch got from the public after the twitch employees/staff were caught receiving "bribes" from gambling streamers. That could've snowballed out of control for the company and it would've been a really nasty situation for them so they acted quickly and made the appropiate changes. Props to them for that

I'm not a twitch user, so I don't have much information regarding the streamers on this platform. especially regarding every rule that Twitch enforces on its platform, but if I refer to the case of the "Silker" streamer that the OP said.

Basically Twitch won't respond right away, especially if it doesn't have anything to do with the breach as a requirement to suspend the troubled streamer. however, this case seems to have been known by the parties concerned. especially in this case, they will always maintain a reputation as one of the best game streaming platforms.

I think they will monitor the progress. and if there are more similar cases popping up in the future, I'm sure Twitch will make policy updates to tighten the rules and prevent similar things from happening in the future. otherwise, eventually people will no longer have faith in Twitch as the leading platform.

Gambling is something you are legally could do after you turn 18, why would it be something that could be viewed by thousands of kids on twitch? I support the idea that it is not something that should be streamed, I mean this sliker dude himself is the proof that it would be a horrible way to continue your life if you are an irresponsible person.

At the end of the day, there would be a lot of people "if I only win once" type of thinking and thousands of people who watch gambling on twitch will see people win and assume they could too and end up losing a lot of money. This is why I support that twitch should ban gambling and remove anyone who continues to do it.

I don't know if I should be happy about it. Has gambling from trusted casinos become less dangerous? I strongly doubt it. Rather, Twitch, under public pressure, was forced to imitate some kind of activity, and they chose this path. Next time they will choose another criterion such as the use of cryptocurrencies and ban the casinos that use them.

That was indeed fast which it is really normal on having that kind of action whenever the platform or company did received lots of reports in regarding on what Sliker did but they do only limit out into those offshore

and still alow into those platforms who do have US licensed but actually this was just a right actions that they had made but to consider out on how many been affected then there's nothing we can do about it.
Twitch isnt only the streaming platform that we know that there are several ones which those streamers or influencers would just definitely be transferring if ever they cant already
do such stream or genre on twitch.

I just heard the news today about the partial ban on foreign casinos, It was a surprise Twitch/Amazon would tackle this issue this fast, I assume it started to make into mainstream news or became a tendency to talk about this on social media?

Regardless of what happened for amazon to do this, It is quite a blow for offshore Casinos and a huge opportunities for American online casinos, this may be the last measure Amazon could take before a complete ban on gambling in case things do not improve in the eyes of Amazon.

Also, I dont want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but this sounds like something which benefits much to USA casinos as I said, is there a possibility Amazon was in private conversations with representatives of the gambling industry in USA?

Wow, they've made a statement and those special mentions are all in the forum as well. That's how huge these casinos are and Duelbits is on it. Well, they're now targeting a specific niche and still allow those that have been mentioned and I guess these gambling content creators/streamers will now focus on sports betting and poker then. They shouldn't put the burden to the streamers but make a feature on the platform that filters the viewers of these streamers that would allow/disallow based on the age bracket of their viewers.

Casino streaming has a vast market, and Twitch seems ready to lose that market, they could just ban or limit one guy guilty of abuse of its followers but unfortunately, they prefer to ban the majority of casinos for streaming, We'll never know if Youtube will follow if they see similar abuse, but streaming is a growing market and platform can make a revenue out of this followers so I say other big followers will not that kind of action.

No but that shouldn't be your focus - the most important part there is "sufficient consumer protection". Twitch is playing it safe and let those licensing agencies do their jobs. Smart move.

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Can anyone clarify if spors betting platforms licensed by Curacao or other countries would still be allowed in their new policy? or is it strictly from US or maybe UK?

^ Or it becomes worst instead we are waiting for progress many users of Twitch will switch to another platform because of this and I hope this will not happen to them. I don't have enough knowledge too on this platform but it seems they think that promoting gambling casinos that are based on house edge (unlike sportsbook and poker) can ruin their reputation. But let us wait for the result and we hope they are not ended up with a negative result.

If you look at their official blog post:

https://i.imgur.com/U4w3KEs.png

https://twitter.com/Twitch/status/1572347129192132611

So it's blanket ban on those top tier crypto gambling platform. They have their Curacao licenses, but it doesn't matter.

As of now, I will say that sports betting will be included. But according to them, they will clear out everyone in the next coming days before it take effect on Oct 18.

Twitch has long been the favorite streaming channel for addicted gamblers.
And Twitch does very little to combat this because this is one of the few sectors that still attract people and consequently keep the platform active, otherwise they would lose much more space to Youtube.
Obviously Twitch needs to fight this in a more energetic way, but rest assured that when this happens the betting streams will simply migrate to another less moderate platform.

Ok, there are still a full month for those gamblers to finish and wrap everything up because the full hands of rule or shall we say the pressure that Twitch has been gotten in the last couple of months force them to ban all streamers that post related gambling content.

Is it a win for anti-gamblers out there? maybe but we all know that they will continue to do so, regardless of which social media platform they are going to promote.

There will always be a controversy between those who approve of gambling and those who don't because we see gambling as harmless as long as we can control ourselves. But most people will lose control of themselves when playing gambling, which is what some worry about. They don't want to see more and more victims of gambling addiction so that people can enjoy life better without gambling. But people who are still curious about gambling will always look for ways to keep playing gambling; some of them do have a desire to keep gambling forever.

maybe this is one of the reason why twitch had this decision to ban gambling sites from their site and streaming

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5414408.0

full respect for this decision though this will surely affect their popularity as gambling online is one of the most visited and contributing factor for their business.

Hope that Twitch did a best action for the future of their business .

This ban was long coming, if the streamers presented gambling in a responsible manner and they were honest about what you could expect out of gambling then I do not think they would have done something like this.

But this is not what happened, streamers began abusing their position and those watching them enabled them, so Twitch has decided to finally take action against them, and while this is a step on the wrong direction when it comes to the popularity of cryptocurrency casinos, I think they did not gave Twitch any other choice.

Yeah. I don't understand why people feel like Twitch is only option out there. I know that Dlive is doing good now and it allows gambling streaming. And it has Blockchain integration which is awesome.
I feel like many anti-gambling people suggest, Twitch is filled with kids so gambling is dangerous for them etc but I think they could just do age limit to those streams. I feel like Twitch can't handle this issue because of publicity.

Hmm... I didn't get your point. What exactly will protect me as a consumer? I am 18+ years old and I allow myself to watch a streamer play in a "dangerous" casino. But Twitch bans such broadcasts. In my opinion, this is a limitation, not a protection. As I heard the Stake casino was also banned because it is associated with cryptocurrencies. It suits you?

Allowing only casinos licensed in the US or jurisdictions with strict regulations for consumer protection in the case of Twitch just means your rights as a consumer are better upheld since you can easily file complaint against these platforms compared to those licensed offshore. I think it's a good deterrent against casinos and content creators not to mislead their viewers. It's not really meant to protect you from being a gambling addict or whatever.

Why bring this up? I see no relevance to the consumer protection topic.

Dlive is a good options, although is still small, but for sure, as we have said, streamers will have to find a way and this could give Dlive one of the alternatives for now. Or there could be other apps that will born because of this issue Maybe they will just focus on streaming gambling on their platform. So it's not like anti-gamblers have won the game. It just started, so we will see how far this will go. Twitch might be afraid of the 'cancel' culture, a movement that has been going on from hollywood to any sector in the society.

Maybe Twitch just wants to play safe here. You know how popular Twitch is among teenagers in high school or even kids. Would not be good for their image if you can access gambling content with just a few clicks under the main site. Sure, I'm all for gambling but putting it under ads as 'streaming' near kids is something I found distasteful.

Now, you can argue Twitch allow things like girls wearing skimpy outfit and such but I think it's okay. It's not like I was an angel back when I was a kid, sneak a glance at my dad's playboy mag when he wasn't home. That kind of thing is fine for kids, a bit curious about sex. But gambling? Nah. They're too young for that. Welcome any alternative streaming sites that are more open than Twitch. But even Mixer with Microsoft's backing has gone nowhere, what is the chance for Dlive or any streaming site out there?

Hmm... still don't get it. Can you explain to me again? But without simply repeating what you said the very first time? Did you see what I wrote? - I want to watch a stream with adult content (18+) about how a streamer plays in a "dangerous" casino. What is the protection of my rights if I am deprived of the opportunity to watch such a stream?


And I do not see, but I see a ban that does not suit me completely. I'm trying to understand why it suits you.

Errrrr protection is not really on the watching but on the potential consumption of whatever product these streamers are trying to sell to you. Twitch is trying to give viewers more power to go after them and their casino sponsors if they mislead you through their fraudulent claims and practices.

Twitch probably thinks those licensed offshore offers less protection to consumers so they plan to ban them outright.

Yes Twitch limit viewers choices with this move in an attempt to "save" them from not playing in casinos that probably offers less protection to consumers or players.

It doesn't. It's one of the casinos that I think is reputable despite it being licensed outside of US but that's not what Twitch thinks.

If I remember correctly, there was already a similar scandal regarding sexualized content and Twitch also took action, but little (if anything) has changed since then. The most popular streamers both did streams in pools and continue to do so, as they licked microphones and continue to do so. In addition, in the channel description they have links to their OF profiles or even to porn sites where they earn the main money. Maybe these restrictions regarding gambling are also exaggerated and will not affect anything?

Still they are allowing the sport betting even poker if I am not wrong and that is what mostly gambled and steamed ones then what is the actual reason of the ban?

So its just fornthe sake of showing the platform is being responsible but without actually not really disturbing anything?!... ???

Ok, there is a way to explain Twitch's motivation. But I do not see any reason for such totalitarian motivations to be tolerated in this forum. It's a pity that few people think about it. Does Twitch think that a licensed casino will be more reliable than a reputable casino with a provewable fair system? Ok, but why impose (by banning) your backward point of view on all users of your platform? I hope this will lead to the fact that crypto casinos (and other services) will gradually create the rest of the infrastructure (including streaming platforms) with less censorship and arbitrariness.

Oh well, maybe they just want to show everyone that they are really doing something as far as streaming gambling in their platform. Nevertheless, they know that they are going to lose big revenues if they allowed it to happen. So probably there could be loopholes that can be exploited based on their bans and so in months maybe they will be back to normal when everyone forgets about the issue. Again, it's all about the business, because it they continue with the blanket ban, streamers will break away and look for other platforms to continue.

If ever they would really make out some exemptions when they have totally announce for that ban then people would turn out or having those impressions that they cant really be trusted basing up on the behavior that they have done.I wont really be that surprised if this ban would be ineffective for some time or they would revert it back.For now the issue is still hot which it would really be that normal that they would really
be needing on at least showing off some action in regarding to this incident because if they wont then it would really be affecting heavily their company which would really be a bad thing to create some bad
image which would really something that they dont really like or want to happen.So actions are just typical ones for a company to do so.

I don't know the guy, if its a donation and he explained that he wants to use it to explore casinos and their consent from his followers is acceptable but if he is lying and he ask for money directly then its abuse, it's ok to ask for support by posting your receiving address but not going directly or specifically to people by messaging them its abuse.




They should just ban the guy there are good streamers too who just want to share their experiences so people will have ideas about what it's like playing on those casinos, they just need to take out bad actors and retain good actors and monitor these streamers.

The platform could add a warning message on gambling lives and channels without completely banning it. There is no reason to ban gambling content just because there are kids accessing the website, otherwise youtube and every social medias would have to remove this content as well. Moreover, to educate people regards the dangers of gambling you can't completely remove gambling content from the internet. They must understand gambling exists, it's part of daily life, many people around them can be gamblers and their only option is to deal with this situation in a way they don't prejudice themselves.

If you pretend gambling doesn't exist by removing it from platforms like Twitch, people will have an illusion they are safe from its risks, while the reality is that they will not be able to deal with a gambling situation when they face it for real.

Interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of it (not that I've heard much of twitch in the first place tbf). It's also odd since, well, why were the streamers hit instead of the staff? That's kind of more of an internal issue after all imo.
Honestly, one idea I've always had for people to know that it's a gambling stream (and be irritating as well) is just to put it in a big red banner in the front saying "GAMBLING STREAM, WARNING!" kind of like those kinds of obnoxious adds. Directly warns people and also irritates usual gamblers to the point of leaving. Damages the streamer yes, but I think that's the cost for streaming gambling in the first place.

Yeah, i just recently read a mews regarding the banning of gambling streams in twitch. This is bad news to all streamers who use twitch as their platform although not that huge to affect gambling community.
But since it still next month, creating another account to other alternative platform and start building its influence as streamers.

The way this panned out is honestly sad. Sliker just showed how problematic gambling can be, and the fact that he messaged lots of his followers and some streamers for money in order to continue his gambling content is just the last straw that Twitch needs to see before they call the decision. I mean, if this didn't happen, we still probably would see gambling streamers but oh well, Twitch is involved and they have to do what they need to do.

I didn’t realize that twitch gambling was such a problem that it needed them to take action. My understanding was that a lot of people got caught in a scam and that’s why this is happening, but I probably haven’t looked into this enough. It does mean that gambling sites will be looking for new ways to advertise as social media sites seem to be cracking down.

For me, gambling contents should really not be permitted to stream on any platform. It encourages all ages of people to gamble and try their luck when they see their idols winning some huge amount. There are also some streamers who just takes advantage by promoting their affiliate link so they can earn some commission.


They did not totally ban gambling streams. Only some games like slots, roulette, and dice games are prohibited. Poker, sports betting, and fantasy sports are still allowed to stream on their platform.

Interesting. So to Twitch, there is a difference between gambling games like slots, roulette, and dice compare to gambling activities like poker and sports betting? Heck, lootbox is considered as gambling in some countries but I bet there are plenty of streamers who did the lootbox stream. esport like CSGO, Dota2 betting on live there right now, on the casting channel and no one bat an eye.

Very inconsistent treatment from Twitch. Like they did that on a whim and tho I said I don't like gambling advertising near kids, this is very unfair treatment of gambling games.

This is good news for BTT - the fewer external platforms for advertising crypto gambling, the more signature campaigns will be here  ;D
But in general, this approach remains incomprehensible to me. What will Twitch do when some other streamer runs into debt and spends all the money on CS skins? Ban CS?

This should have happened a while ago. Many influencers had already started streaming gambling content on Twitch long time ago.
It was a matter of time before gambling streams got banned on this platform and now that it has happened many people will be saved from these influencers.
So far only a few games in a few gambling platforms are banned but as time goes we might see more games and more sites being added to the list.

Twitch has not turned into a cesspool, I think it kinda always was lol. Influencers have always been a big problem for social media, kids are wasting their entire time with them and even adults, especially in crypto, paying way too much attention to them, paying them money and fooling others into thinking they can also become rich by "influencing".

It's not about gambling per se, it's about this mentality of distracting people and making poor choices for role models.

In that case, you must think that Twitter and Instagram are hell on earth because those social media are all about influencing. I have seen some cases in Instagram about people who basically fake being rich or photoshop themselves beyond recognition for the sake of getting followers and clout; Twitter is also the home of all kind of sick people.  You probably you have also listened to some cases yourself.

At least, on Twitch one can get entertainment and have fun watching some actually authentic and humble streamers and not only throwing money at girls streaming themselves in a jacuzzi.

Maybe Twitch think slots, roulette and dice are luck based games where any users can play without thinking any strategy (of course there's no strategy on luck based games). While poker and sports betting are skill based games where you can actually earn money if you're very good analyst.

However I tend to agree lootbox stream or gacha should be considered as lucky based games since it works similar like slots, roulette and dice. Actually there's many cases where a kids borrow their parents credit card only for lootbox stream or gacha.

It is really hard to be sure which one is more gambling and which one isn't with that. I also think its %100 inconsistent. I personally see lootbox dropping as gambling honestly. It can convince to kids open random boxes. Its definitely gambling for expensive item/drop. Slots, roulette, and dice are easy and obvious ones, these are part of physical casinos even. But with poker and sports betting? I mean if these are permitted, that just doesn't make any sense to me. Poker has a strategy but if its played for money its another gambling activity. Sports betting? I won't even argue.

Well, it is his right to ask money from his viewers. Many people do this, after all, they are popular and they need to make money.
The bigger the influencers, the more money they can make.


It is his money and he can spend it anywhere. I know he must be losing a lot in gambling but wont tell publically.



That's why we need decentralized platforms so that the central body wont ban the gambling and crypto streams.

A sudden announcement like this from Twitch doesn't well indication for the gambling company. It is believed that Twitch may have banned this gambling sites due to some kind of restrictions by the government or others. Nowadays gambling has become a big industry. But I hope that such restrictions may be reduce in the near future. Besides, all these companies have to take alternative route for gambling promotion.

I don't understand what's the problem with not watching what you don't like? These modern trends to ban everything are just awful. I remember the times when twitch streaming was fun and you could hear funny jokes on any topic. Now this is all banned and if the streamer did not have time to say "I condemn" in time, he can be banned even for a joke in the chat that has nothing to do with him. We are getting closer to a dystopia, and as I see it, you rejoice in this? Terrible.

We do have own perspective on things on which some do appreciate on someone's action as long it does oppose those things which arent that ethical on the first place.Anything which is really not really good looking
or something that could be pertain as a bad habit or actions will really be banned by those platforms because they do know that there would be supporters on the actions that they had made and tells that
it was just a right decision for them to make.

Firstly, I would like to say that I mostly agree with you when you talk about how Terms of services of social media have become so strict that people can easily get banned by using some words or expressing their honest opinion. I recall, back in the day when Twitch and Youtube did not mind if users stuck to political correctness, it was a good to be part of that era, that being said, gambling is something different from those things, we are talking about a platform that is frequented by a lot of children and teens which could start gambling because their favorite influencer does it and they believe it to be "cool", and while they are kids and teens who understand they should not gamble, there are others who could start a gambling career too early in their lifes.

If Twitch wants to keep those gambling streams then it would be fine, but they should also restrict that content to people over 18 or 16 years old, somehow.

Twitch came so late to take such initiative which became a big obstacle in the gaming promotion. However, they have certainly tried to raise some complaints behind their decision. Where they mentioned. The links and referral codes of the gambling sites are variously becoming harmful to their communities. Which are broken their rules. Here they have also mentioned some gambling sites. But I agree with you that minors should be restricted.

They allow Poker they got some sense, it doesnt really add up overall to suddenly change policy over one guy.   Theres always one guy for every example of why, we can find the news story for one guy who played games too much, over exhausted and literally died from it.   Clearly dont do that but its hardly the reasoning to ban all games and yes seriously people have tried that level of reasoning and we've had many court cases over the idea of people will copy everything they see in a game so we must ban all games.   Gambling is with risk but Twitch cant easily quantify that risk apparently, their response is probably formulated by lawyers more then any other kind of reasoning.
  It does underline once again free speech and freedom in general is a rare commodity long term.

I wouldn't say that they are late, it's just the backlash that they got recently that they to make actions on it otherwise it will grow and could be out of hand for them.

Yes, it could be harmful to many, but then again, you can't please everyone as they say. There are a lot of social media platforms such as youtube who inadvertently advertised gambling, but they are very fast to react and take down that challenge. Twitch do is very different, it's a live stream so they have a team to watch which streamers are posting gambling and what not, so it's a infrastructure nightmare.

However, gambling companies have to follow Twitch's rules and I'm sure they will be able to find other ways to help them keep promoting. The restriction may be temporary but it will not stop gambling sites from promoting because they have already benefited a lot from the promotion. So even if Twitch has banned the promotion of gambling, the casino can still do promotion elsewhere and that's not a big problem for the casino.

Hehe you couldn't be more correct about this and, I could not say it enough. You might dig back into my post history to discover I used to have both Twitter and Instagram in the ICO days, and I ended up deleting them all because it got so terrible thanks to my crypto links. Before crypto it was great, I had accounts of artists and news I followed, wonderful until I ruined it with crypto.

Social media and authentic... hard to find. Authentic guys have private spaces anyway :)

Twitch has placed a ban on offshore casinos but not on gambling. With this, it is obvious that this is not the last straw, the one that would break the camel's back. Twitch does not put a stop to gambling streaming. So it did not stop gamblers from continuously showing to their audience, young and old, their gambling experience live. So whether gambling is a responsible content or not, Twitch did not take a side. It has banned certain platforms but not gambling in general. 

Yep, if they want to segment between luck-based and skill-based gambling. They open a paradox of people (or gamblers) arguing whether this game is luck-based or skill-based. Then we would also discussion about gambling/betting that have both of these. Shit is really stupid and Twitch clearly doesn't know what they're doing, ban things on a whim like that.

Agree with you two here, lootbox is 100% luck based but hey, it'll stay on Twitch cause pretty much every game nowadays has it in their games. Mobile games with their gacha shits are also a variant of lootbox, luck-based too. As I said, Twitch really doesn't know what they're doing. Seems like if something already become too big, Twitch doesn't dare to ban it even with the pretext of 'for the kids!' So maybe once slots, roulette and dice become big enough, plenty of people play it, Twitch might include it back.

I think everything depends on the TOS of Twitch, like you mentioned. If they prohibit any form of solicitation whether express or implied, then they can rule that this Twitch streamer violated their TOS. Given the widespread of online gambling among the youth, I do expect that Twitch will soon amend their TOS or implement it more strictly this time.

It is really a fine line between a violation or a loophole. I hope that Twitch creates or releases a statement from prohibiting "express" forms of gambling since they cannot totally remove and prohibit crate unboxing from their platform.

By the way, many streamers run so-called 24-hour marathons when they stream 24 hours without a break to sleep or rest. Obviously, this is no less dangerous and unhealthy nonsense (if you do it regularly or even once). So what? Now when someone complains about such a stream, will we see a new ban on such marathons?  ;D In my opinion, this is a false direction of development - as if people are morons and cannot decide for themselves what to do or not to do.

Only stake, duelbits and roobet? But, what about other gambling sites? Because I heard the ban is only selected but gambling streams are still there and will continue. I don't think the gambling sites that I mentioned are illegal but I believe all of them already have their own licenses.

The ban has also nothing to do with country restrictions because it was only a streaming service. Given that the gambling industry is growing, we can expect that more bans and restrictions like this are going to happen in the future because there are people who use gambling in a wrong way and there are concerned people or institutions that are taking an action to help combat the issue.

Trainwrecks will be fine, he was big streamer long before doing the gambling.   The amount he gambles I wonder if its better for him overall to have a reason to lower his time spent, either way he is fine and his viewers will watch him doing alot of games.   It would be quite interesting if Poker suddenly popped up on Twitch in replacement and became as big as Chess did a while back.   We had gambling for years probably as long as the site existed because of esports and betting on games was always a thing, would be surprising if that didnt continue on some streams just a question of how much and if it trends.

This matter will highly depend on what kind of rules and policies does Twitch have on their platform. If they impose strictly that no solicitation should be done in their platforms by the streamers to avoid abuse and scamming, then it is clear as day that Sliker violated their TOS and therefore deserves a punishment so that the others won't follow his steps. However, it isn't outright stated that Twitch is against such act, so perhaps that's the reason why there are still streamers that continuously to do such act.

Since like you said, their TOS isn't clearly implementing what needs to be done, they somehow play a part and have a shortcoming on this issue. Hopefully, they will implement strictly their policies and make those people who won't abide to be accountable to their actions.

They have a month to figure out the details. We can only speculate its nature for now. But twitch definitely doesn't want its name to be associated with such dramas, they will come down hard on it. Their reputation amongst big brand(Intel, acer, nvidia, etc) matters more to them, compared to whatever stake or roobet is paying them or slot streams rakes in.

All offshore casinos.



Age restriction would never work on a platform with majority of its audience under 18


Those social medias are massive. And you will always get content tailored according to your interest.
I use Twitter and reddit on a daily basis, my feeds are full of wholesome content usually.

Few days after the issue about Sliker went out, many streamers expressed their disappointment of Twitch's policies regarding streaming gambling content because many streamers are bypassing the terms set already and the platform don't really make necessary actions about it. Hence, they started to make a noise to be noticed by Twitch stating that they will discontinue using the platform if they won't update their terms of service and ban other gambling content which the platform adhere in their request.

Twitch stated that they will ban streaming content about gambling related to unlicensed casinos in US for the greater good of many. Twitch also said that they will review and update their policy and the changes will take effect on 18th of October. They mentioned several casinos that has made big reputation already and said that they will name the others as they go along the process of making Twitch safer for the viewers and streamers. Hopefully, they will really strictly impose all their rules and policies to each and everyone because currently, they have many loopholes which they still don't attend to such as the all over referral codes and links about gambling sites that cater games which are supposedly prohibited, but it seems it is not because you can see it all over their platform.

18 years old is the legal age for most countries but for some it can be lower than that. We know kids, they are curious so they can view these things but I think many of them won't engage with it because they can find it boring.

Video games are still the main thing that can make a kid addicted especially if they are famous e.g Roblox and Fortnite or any other kid games out there. Many people viewed gambling as a negative thing but yet there are still there so why would twitch ban it? Doing so would only make their income less. The problem is not by the gambling or the platform itself but it was the person who are irresponsible on doing that thing.

While it is true that there will always be people trying to abuse the platform and violate their regulations, at least if they prohibit it on their TOS this means that as soon as someone reports those accounts and someone follows on that report then a ban can be issued without having to give any explanation to the offending account, as they knew what they we are doing.

So while this is not going to stop people from creating that content and using Twitch to promote it, at least we should see a reduction on that content appearing on their platform.

It's why I suggested earlier in this thread that there be a disclaimer marked for anyone that is displaying any gambling content. A quick search tells me that the minimum age required to sign up for a Twitch.tv account is 13 (this is absurdly young, but to each his own I suppose). If they haven't already, ban any account that is under the age of 18 from accessing any form of gambling content videos/livestream, and then put a manual waiver or user agreement for all other accounts that force the user to accept the risks of gambling, and perhaps even put a support resources for gambling addiction in there as well.

They're allowing sports betting and gambling providers in the U.S., so it doesn't make sense why they would target out game operators outside the U.S.

If I agree with what you transmit, I do not agree that I am a minor, but as minors enter platforms like this, today it can be gambling, or other video games, but I think that above all these rules should exist, because An apparent cause that things go wrong is because they give entrance to very minor minors, now all these things are very delicate due to the whole issue of protection of children and currently they have been put in place with many restrictions that can imprison the parents themselves for not be supervising what their children do on the web and in turn avoid many bad things that have happened.

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In my personal opinion I think that a social network or any other similar medium each person gives it the use they want, in this case the only thing they have to do is make a rule where they prevent streamers from asking for money, something like that is done here in the forum but they don't have to make this a very big problem, in fact this extended to prohibit everything that has to do with the streamers of the most recognized casinos, of course among them is stake.com, so this is a policy that does not seem correct to me, just as they invented twitch, another one can come out that allows it and it is going to lose all that traffic sometimes they do not know how to do things well.