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Title: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: gantez on September 20, 2022, 02:26:16 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

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Russia is a major supplier of fossil fuels, especially to Europe. Disruptions to supplies of these commodities are driving up prices.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Rruchi man on September 20, 2022, 03:05:11 PM
War has always been associated with altered economic progression for citizens who then become victims of the harsh economic realities they will have to face as a result of crisis. But there are some people and companies that benefit and are not really affected whenever there is a crisis for instance, the manufacturers of guns and ammunitions, pharmaceutical supplies as well and relief materials are always in profit.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: ChiBitCTy on September 20, 2022, 03:06:43 PM
This is exactly right.  Despite war being awful in terms of the loss of human lives, even worse is the fact that it effects the entire worlds economic progression.  It may not be easy for everyone to see, but it literally does effect every single nation on earth.  It's just a disgustingly selfish thing for countries to do, knowing that this is going to be the case.

Let's all hope and pray that this war ends sooner than later...our economies depend on it.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: coupable on September 20, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
Under a capitalist system that establishes consumer societies, the crises will not stop. The need for raw materials makes the economies of the world highly interconnected, and this is what makes crises spread and affect all countries very quickly in the so-called domino effect. The crisis of the Ukrainian war should give lessons to the countries of the world in working to achieve self-sufficiency while reducing the need for external resources.
I also hope that this crisis will end quickly, but it seems that there are no indications that this will happen soon .


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Furious 7 on September 20, 2022, 05:26:30 PM
This is indeed one of the things that can indeed be a decisive or turning point in the economy because it is clear that with the war there will definitely be an economic crisis, but the problem is that when so many lives have been lost, it is actually very sad because I still feel it is not worth it when there are so many people. Even though the existing victims were replaced with economic progress, I still don't really like this because apart from the economic impact, the psyche of the people involved in the war are definitely affected.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: coupable on September 20, 2022, 06:07:12 PM
This is indeed one of the things that can indeed be a decisive or turning point in the economy because it is clear that with the war there will definitely be an economic crisis, but the problem is that when so many lives have been lost, it is actually very sad because I still feel it is not worth it when there are so many people. Even though the existing victims were replaced with economic progress, I still don't really like this because apart from the economic impact, the psyche of the people involved in the war are definitely affected.
Killing civilians is not the main objective of fighting wars and is considered a war crime even if one person who is not a military person is killed. The problem is the exploitation of densely populated cities as hideouts and fortresses, in addition to using people as human shields during confrontations.
The rules of war that no one respects require that the conflict be between armies and not against the population. It also requires the availability of a battlefield and the provision of humanitarian corridors for civilians, while neutralizing hospitals and shelters .


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Smartvirus on September 20, 2022, 06:55:27 PM
War has been part of the world since the beginning of time. Its been a way through which civilizations are carved. A way to attain a lasting piece as it is served, out of the ashes, life is birth. Its something we all hope to avoid but it happens anyway and rarely.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is regrettably and it has lasted more than most of us would have hoped or estimated that it did but, we should be rest assured that its going to bring a lasting peace between both nations even though individuals will still hold on to there grievances.

A little backward might bring about a galloping forward match to a better civilization, a correction towards most of the ills and its would be one that is won out of pain.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: el kaka22 on September 20, 2022, 07:08:21 PM
There is also an economical impact on the taxation as well, many governments tax people a lot more, and spend a lot more on military, even if they are not involved, just so they could be ready in case anything happens, and that is not really acceptable. I personally believe that the best thing to do would be making sure that you are not part of this at all, doesn't make sense to me, just leave it all together and let's not fight.

There are two sides who wants different things? Just sit them on a table, and let them hash it out by talking, even getting angry at times, but somehow figure out a method by without killing a single person, much better outcome.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Upgrade00 on September 20, 2022, 07:13:41 PM
It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.
You are spot on here, such effects would only be noticable if that country has a global export which other countries depend on. There are lots of wars which go unoticed by the general public, cause it doesn't have any rebound effects on the rest of the world.

Russia and Ukraine are two heavy exporting nations, contributing to economies on different economies, reasons why the war is so pronounced.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)
Environmental degradation is also a major effect. Up there is also the displacement of citizens who now become refugges in other regions, depending on their economy.

The only benefit of war is selfish interest. A nation seeking to expand its empire or build one, would go about conquering viable nations to further their course.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: edgycorner on September 20, 2022, 07:18:59 PM
It is clear that war has a negative effect on economies, both on a local and global scale.
Rising inflation, food insecurity, and environmental degradation are just some of the ways in which war can take a toll on a country. While there may be some short-term benefits to going to war, in the long run, it is clear that the costs far outweigh the benefits.

Countries would be wise to invest in peacekeeping and diplomacy in order to avoid the devastating effects of war.

But one can easily provide a counter-argument like how war can spur innovation and economic growth. Additionally, war can create new markets for goods and services. Finally, war can lead to the consolidation of power by the victorious party, which can in turn lead to increased stability and prosperity.  Just look at how much industrial and technological growth we saw during the World wars and cold war :D

It's a very hot topic.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on September 20, 2022, 07:37:20 PM
There is also an economical impact on the taxation as well, many governments tax people a lot more, and spend a lot more on military, even if they are not involved, just so they could be ready in case anything happens, and that is not really acceptable. I personally believe that the best thing to do would be making sure that you are not part of this at all, doesn't make sense to me, just leave it all together and let's not fight.

There are two sides who wants different things? Just sit them on a table, and let them hash it out by talking, even getting angry at times, but somehow figure out a method without killing a single person, a much better outcome.
A friend of mine recounted an ordeal at his workplace, in which, fighting between colleagues cost them their jobs. War is expensive, in whatever form it comes and as such it must be avoided.
Although most cases require that both parties throw a few punches to buttress a point, with modernization and the ability for disagreeing parties to sit together and reach a compromise, it shouldn't resort to tearing down infrastructures or taking lives before listening ears interfere to prevent a breakdown of economic and political order.
Ukraine vs Russia war is impacting the global economy in almost all facets, in that wheat, coal, gas, and other tradable necessities available, is now scarce or unavailable or the price has skyrocketed so much so that it can't be afforded. Going to war alters the economic progression of the state(s) involved.  Peace is the only solution to economic stability and growth.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: bocyaj on September 20, 2022, 08:15:09 PM
After the war of Russia and Ukraine,their is no world war proclamations due the economy.No country including United States are not ready to get into the war.If the United States had get into the war,it surely affected the economy of country involved in war.And United States,Canada are giving grands to Ukrainian and support them indirectly.And they are not ready to get into the war as in old war strategy during the Cold War time.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: ginsan on September 20, 2022, 09:28:36 PM
There are no miracles in war both in the non-physical and physical, all tendencies to anger the ruler can bring down the economy in two countries. death and death were the headlines in war, so if one concluded this was something of a miracle it was quite a fatal mistake. like israel and palestine we will never hear of these two countries progressing in the economic sector in the context on the basis of wars that have occurred in a long period of time there is only death and death. The occurrence of war in the two countries is nothing but based on violence in the struggle for power.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Scripture on September 20, 2022, 10:26:57 PM
War is not good at all even if this makes money for other businesses but overall, many will be affected by the war. The sanctions against Russia affects many countries but that’s ok because that only means those countries are against any war and they will never tolerate such greediness. Though other people will suffer because of high prices but I guess it’s ok to deal with that than to see people dying because of the war. This should be stopped but I guess Russia is not showing any mercy against Ukraine, this is too bad.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Hydrogen on September 20, 2022, 11:54:10 PM
There are men who pretend to be nice to women. Who change the second they get married and their wife depends on them. Its the same with nations and politics. Russia pretends to be nice to europe to get them dependent. Then the second they're dependent on russia. Russia turns into the evil husband who only pretended to be nice.

Being reliant and dependent upon others creates avenues for oppression.

If people desire to be free of these negative cycles and trends. They might set a goal for becoming as independent as possible. Never relying on corporations or foreign powers for anything.

Being independent grants people greater bargaining power and political influence. These are the things people need, if their opinion and values are to matter in the world.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ahli38 on September 21, 2022, 01:24:04 AM
And what is certain from the occurrence of war is that more people or countries will be harmed than benefited.
either the country that won the war or the loser. both sides suffer losses. both in terms of economy and the lives or lives of soldiers and civilians.
and we can see the impact of the war russia and ukraine. today we know the impact of the economic crisis has occurred in many countries. especially Europe which has a shortage of energy. and in some countries that also lack food such as wheat and others.
the beneficiary will always be there. but not much.
Recession is now unavoidable as a result of prolonged inflation after the post-pandemic and added to the impact of war. there will be major changes in the economy from now on, either in a negative or a positive way.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: dark1234 on September 21, 2022, 02:50:17 AM
when there is an issue of war, there is already anxiety for the state and civilians so as to make economic changes that can be felt by several neighboring and cooperating countries, while the most disadvantaged if a war does occur are civilians whose economy and life are not guaranteed.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Darker45 on September 21, 2022, 03:02:11 AM
Overall, there's really no reason to go to war. In simple terms, war is bad and has to be avoided. If all the energy and money and other resources spent on wars would instead be focused on something else, the world condition would be a lot better.

Especially in the age of globalization, wars would really cause a lot of damage. Russia's invasion attempt of Ukraine gives us an idea of how limited violence could produce global effects.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: electronicash on September 21, 2022, 03:15:28 AM
during the war in Syria, the country had not recover since. the cities that once flourished to be abundant with economic activity died. same with all the wars that happened before Russia and Ukraine. Iraq up to this day had not come back to its fullest despite the years have past.

Ukraine had gotten lots of support which they can fight back. But the countries like Syria, Yugoslavia and etc. the economy of these countries also died. my father was one of those who go home devastated by the war. Its why his stories sinked in my mind.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 21, 2022, 07:25:00 AM
Overall, there's really no reason to go to war. In simple terms, war is bad and has to be avoided. If all the energy and money and other resources spent on wars would instead be focused on something else, the world condition would be a lot better.

Especially in the age of globalization, wars would really cause a lot of damage. Russia's invasion attempt of Ukraine gives us an idea of how limited violence could produce global effects.

I fully support your words. All the finances spent on maintaining wars could be directed in a peaceful direction, to help poor countries that barely survive from hunger and lack of water. 
But none of the wars starts from scratch; it is always beneficial to those who pump millions into weapons production. And the actions of rulers who can influence the world with diplomatic relations between countries are always correct. But unfortunately, in our time, there are no such rulers who could act for the people, not for the country's prestige.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: inthelongrun on September 21, 2022, 08:04:53 AM
...There are many negative effect of war but no profit...[/url]

I probably read all of the wars that are written in the books. And it is actually all about profit, either by land, power, religion, and ethnicity. Wars may be costly of course but those involved especially the aggressor calculated it already and made sure that it is all worth it.

So let's talk about the example which is the current Russian invasion of Ukraine. Do we really think Putin and his cabinets didn't expect heavy sanctions and losses coming? Of course, they analyzed as many possible outcomes. Russia believes that it is worth it to invade Ukraine in order to strengthen its position in the country and the possibility of stopping it from joining NATO. If Ukraine joins NATO then there is a high possibility that nukes will be installed. Crimea a part of Ukraine that was taken earlier by Russia has been a big naval base of the Russian navy since the old times and it will be in danger if Ukraine joins NATO.

Although Russia didn't expect the war to prolong I think it will end with the aggressor holding big Crimea and the rebel regions of Luhansk and Donetsk in the east. There are only over 200 million Russians and its vast lands are rich enough for them to recover its economic losses in the coming years.

I am not saying that I am a pro-Russian invasion here. I believe wars should be prevented at all costs. But as a long-time history and current events follower, I can see the Russian point of view.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: arwin100 on September 21, 2022, 08:26:10 AM
No economic movement on countries affected equals a total economic disturbance to the countries affected this is why government should think more harder because this decision will not really create any huge benefits to them and its just a waste of human lives and resources since for sure on this current state where many countries form an alliance for sure those country initiate a war will be put more on huge economical decline.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: davis196 on September 21, 2022, 10:04:21 AM
The global recession was coming even without the war in Ukraine. The war in Ukraine will simply accelerate the whole process.
There's nothing we can do to stop the war. Russia is mobilizing approximately 300K men, so this war is going to continue in the next year or two. A good thing is that the global recession might push the oil prices down, which might help the western and Asian economies a little bit.
Russia is building a wartime economy, which seems like an experiment that would fail in the long run, despite the massive abundance of natural resources. Putin doesn't care about the economic growth of Russia.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: yhiaali3 on September 21, 2022, 10:55:09 AM
This is what war brings. War brings nothing but devastation and destruction to the economy and infrastructure as well as to people on both sides of the war. Looking at the current Ukrainian-Russian war, you find that everyone is a loser. Russia is destroying its economy little by little because of the war and the economic blockade. Ukraine is being destroyed militarily and losing its resources. Europe is also suffering. From fuel shortages and high prices due to the Russian blockade and the interruption of fuel supplies. There is no winner in war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Reid on September 21, 2022, 01:40:29 PM
Yes. But a country whose main product is ammunition and weaponry will be in good business here. That's why they are the ones who are questioned for creating war because of their businesses. We all know what country that is.
They are paid differently, it's either power or like a loan shark that will topple the economy of the country who participate in war for years. Debt is a powerful weapon now. You can even control one country or city just because of it.
Economic progression will definitely slow down before they can stand on their own again.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: so98nn on September 21, 2022, 01:58:35 PM
Obviously the whole supply chain stops or gets hampered with the war. With the live example of Russia, Ukraine different countries taking different sides, getting sanctions imposed and thus stopping the import export businesses all over the world is nothing but loss for the economy. Moreover, for every life that’s taken in the war we loose huge amount of asset for that country! A life has no price tag, because it’s priceless so it’s but obvious that everything gets disturbed. The whole family, their life circle resets, they need to regrow and settle.  It takes time and we already know how hard life is to have average lifestyle in the current inflation and it’s growing.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Mauser on September 21, 2022, 02:22:09 PM
War is a very bad thing for humanity, thousands of lives are lost and a lot of material and livelihoods are destroyed. It's usually a few powerful people at the top who decide about the fate of millions of people. It's sad that still in 2022 the world is in such a medieval mindset. The world needs to change to make wars a think of the past. The problem is that not everybody is hurting during war times, there are people who profit or it. For example, the weapon manufacturers in Europe and North America are making a lot of money right now. Western governments are sending their older equipment from stockpile to Ukraine and replace it with new weapons. On top of that did many countries increase their military budget. And then there are the many twitter videos that show how successful Ukraine is fighting with Western equipment, that's free marketing for the arms dealers.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: naira on September 21, 2022, 02:25:47 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.
Nothing is profitable when war occurs except countries that supply weapons and drugs. Therefore there are sanctions, but it turns out that seeing the phenomenon of the war that occurred between Ukraine and Russia did not make Russia stop its aggression. Russia power with all the resources it has makes it immune to sanctions and even threatens back to countries that impose sanctions by stopping oil imports.
In today's era, there should be no more colonized countries, all must be independent and stand on their own feet. Enjoy legal freedom. Competition between big countries cannot be separated from the effects felt by the surrounding countries.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: worldofcoins on September 21, 2022, 02:38:01 PM
The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

Indeed effects of war include every point you stated, but we don't see the case with Russia; only Ukraine is suffering these points.
I don't know about Russia supplying energy to Europe, but Russia is indeed a very large supplier of gas to the world, including Ukraine.

I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

I don't understand everything you wrote but yes War on both sides is disastrous both the countries are losing their supplies Ukraine in extreme quantity compared to Russia.
I think Russia has already won the war looking at how many countries Ukraine needed to side with it.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: JoyMarsha on September 21, 2022, 02:40:36 PM
War jeopardize the economy and health being of its citizens. No country that encounters war remains the same no matter how developed or equipped it is financially. It should be avoided. The damage caused and the agony experience in war can be devastating to forget in one lifespan.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Fortify on September 21, 2022, 07:26:12 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

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Russia is a major supplier of fossil fuels, especially to Europe. Disruptions to supplies of these commodities are driving up prices.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)

War is easy, in the sense that it just requires destruction and hate, it does not produce anything good. It's a lot harder to be constructive and creative, which blossom best in a free society. Unfortunately in many authoritarian style governments these sad old men, who are getting close to death and have nothing else to lose, are content to kill many people in their pointless conquests. Take Putin for example, he has positively shattered any illusion that Russia is a real superpower in the world, it's economy is now in tatters and generations more Russian's will suffer into the future because of his arrogance. The Russian military has been exposed as a terrible joke and he threw away any image of strength that might have existed before this year started.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: rby on September 21, 2022, 08:27:49 PM
Overall, there's really no reason to go to war. In simple terms, war is bad and has to be avoided. If all the energy and money and other resources spent on wars would instead be focused on something else, the world condition would be a lot better.

Especially in the age of globalization, wars would really cause a lot of damage. Russia's invasion attempt of Ukraine gives us an idea of how limited violence could produce global effects.

There's no reason to go for war and the people that ends up fighting the war do so against their wish because they are obliged by the law to do so in thr name of defence of their country's territory or prestige. Some of the soldiers don't know the actual reason for fighting and if they know, they wouldn't want to fight.

War alters the economic progression for the mean time and for the future. Its effect is so severe that it affects the posterity.
Peace is priceless, let's pursue peace and shaun war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Gyfts on September 21, 2022, 08:40:04 PM
The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.


The military industrial complex can profit a lot from war, if they are so inclined. It usually involves an incestuous relationship between the private sector and government. The citizens pay, the members of government gets their kickbacks and the war industrial companies profit.

The Russian war is different insofar as "for-profit" wars are concerned. The effects wouldn't be so debilitating had there not been so much focus on environmental concerns within the context of energy production. The entirety of Europe can hardly afford the price hike in energy and winter is coming. Who cares about the environment? The reduction in agricultural industries are because of fertilizer shortages, not the environment.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: tbterryboy on September 21, 2022, 08:43:41 PM
A friend of mine recounted an ordeal at his workplace, in which, fighting between colleagues cost them their jobs. War is expensive, in whatever form it comes and as such it must be avoided.
Although most cases require that both parties throw a few punches to buttress a point, with modernization and the ability for disagreeing parties to sit together and reach a compromise, it shouldn't resort to tearing down infrastructures or taking lives before listening ears interfere to prevent a breakdown of economic and political order.
But, it will also look wrong if you won't fight back if your opponents are the ones who started the fight and not you and then they keep on bothering you even if you distance yourself from them. This is why some don't have a choice but to fight back as well only for their dignity and for safety. Your friend should get a sympathy and those who witness it should help him financially because he lost his job or they can also help him to find another job replacement.

Same with what happened in Ukraine. They also receive a help from other countries because other countries know that it wasn't really their fault but they only fight back only to defend their country and to save lots of innocent lives and properties.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: justdimin on September 21, 2022, 09:18:30 PM
The war could not only ruin and end lives but also kills the economy as it gets worse each day. The innocent lives of those who are trying to survive are highly affected by economic progression. Even huge capitalists and investors are affected. It could cause a global economic crisis just like what is happening right now due to the war between Russia and Ukraine.

As much as possible, small countries that couldn't deal with the effects of war are trying to avoid it but there are powerful countries that want invasion since they're fully equipped and prepared for its consequences just to pursue their desires. It could definitely affect people not just physically but also emotionally and could even cause trauma. If the current war wouldn't end as soon as possible, there will be a huge effect globally that we might experience in the future especially since Russia has a huge role in the oil supply globally.
Lives are at stake and that is much worse than the economy part, I understand people all around the world who are not involved in this war doesn't care about the possibility of death, because they are not living there.

But, imagine being a person from Ukraine, and how there is a possibility that Russia could literally bomb you and kill you and cause you so much pain, in fact worst thing could be them killing everyone you love and not killing you, making you suffer through life knowing that everyone you loved has died in agony due to war. Hence, bad economy or not, I accept even worse economy if the war would end, but it would also help the economy too, so ending the war has super amazing results.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Doan9269 on September 21, 2022, 09:33:04 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression

No one prays for war to occur because there will be unrest everywhere and the cost of lives to it will be without numbers with these among other loses but in other way round, let's consider if there should ever be a need for engaging into war if it's as important as many thought of, when a country, it's leaders or a particular set of people engage in an illegal act or activities that is against the growth and development of the people, lives and property and thereby holding the people on hostage denying them freedom amd right to a good and free living, then comes in an intervention from other countries more in power to fight for the oppressed through engaging into war with each other just to safe humanity and lives, such basis for war is genuine and acceptable because it free the people from being hypnotized and got colonized by rebels or bad leaders.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: South Park on September 21, 2022, 09:44:24 PM
War has always been associated with altered economic progression for citizens who then become victims of the harsh economic realities they will have to face as a result of crisis. But there are some people and companies that benefit and are not really affected whenever there is a crisis for instance, the manufacturers of guns and ammunitions, pharmaceutical supplies as well and relief materials are always in profit.
Unfortunately people and governments have a completely different view of war, for the people a war is a horrible event, if they happen to be part of it, this means they will lose their home, jobs and even be forced to fight and lose their lives as well, but for governments war is a business, which is what makes them way more eager to want to wage it as they are not the ones carrying the heavy consequences of a protracted war, and while I think the majority of the people longs for a world without war, I do not think this is something we will live to see.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Johnyz on September 21, 2022, 09:59:12 PM
War has always been associated with altered economic progression for citizens who then become victims of the harsh economic realities they will have to face as a result of crisis. But there are some people and companies that benefit and are not really affected whenever there is a crisis for instance, the manufacturers of guns and ammunitions, pharmaceutical supplies as well and relief materials are always in profit.
Unfortunately people and governments have a completely different view of war, for the people a war is a horrible event, if they happen to be part of it, this means they will lose their home, jobs and even be forced to fight and lose their lives as well, but for governments war is a business, which is what makes them way more eager to want to wage it as they are not the ones carrying the heavy consequences of a protracted war, and while I think the majority of the people longs for a world without war, I do not think this is something we will live to see.
War becomes the basis of the government strength, they really see this differently and the only option for then is to increase their war defense or invade other countries and have a war. Do you imagine why terrorist are still here? That is because most of them are being funded by the government itself because if there’s a terrorist there will be more budget for their defense and that could be the start of corruption. War is not good at all, so as a concerned citizen we should continue to condemn any government from declaring war, this can put our lives into a more dangerous environment, Let’s all hope for humanity and peace.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: gantez on September 21, 2022, 10:22:07 PM

Unfortunately people and governments have a completely different view of war, for the people a war is a horrible event, if they happen to be part of it, this means they will lose their home, jobs and even be forced to fight and lose their lives as well, but for governments war is a business, which is what makes them way more eager to want to wage it as they are not the ones carrying the heavy consequences of a protracted war, and while I think the majority of the people longs for a world without war, I do not think this is something we will live to see.

Some war are not business mind because some country don't produce war weapons but they still go on to war. The reason for the war is not only for selling of war machines but they go into war if the people in government have ego. Too much ego and pride make for selfish reason of going for war. When the head of state want to show superior to the other president, he can decide for war because of that pride and will not make peace in between the both. Pride is the problem for war like Putin of Russia not agreeing for peace no matter peace discussion agreement.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Smack That Ace on September 22, 2022, 02:29:22 AM
...There are many negative effect of war but no profit...[/url]

I probably read all of the wars that are written in the books. And it is actually all about profit, either by land, power, religion, and ethnicity. Wars may be costly of course but those involved especially the aggressor calculated it already and made sure that it is all worth it.

So let's talk about the example which is the current Russian invasion of Ukraine. Do we really think Putin and his cabinets didn't expect heavy sanctions and losses coming? Of course, they analyzed as many possible outcomes. Russia believes that it is worth it to invade Ukraine in order to strengthen its position in the country and the possibility of stopping it from joining NATO. If Ukraine joins NATO then there is a high possibility that nukes will be installed. Crimea a part of Ukraine that was taken earlier by Russia has been a big naval base of the Russian navy since the old times and it will be in danger if Ukraine joins NATO.

Although Russia didn't expect the war to prolong I think it will end with the aggressor holding big Crimea and the rebel regions of Luhansk and Donetsk in the east. There are only over 200 million Russians and its vast lands are rich enough for them to recover its economic losses in the coming years.

I am not saying that I am a pro-Russian invasion here. I believe wars should be prevented at all costs. But as a long-time history and current events follower, I can see the Russian point of view.

Sure, all wars start with a goal and there will be profits in it. No country spends billions of dollars to wage war without taking into account profit, profit here is about territory, people, natural resources...
Today, the world is no longer the same as before, war is very unlikely, it is no longer an invasion between big countries and small countries to win resources or assert their position. It only flares up when there are problems that cannot be solved by foreign policy and it directly affects the safety and interests of the country.

Like you, I must say that war between Russia and Ukraine is a crime and should never be supported or encouraged. But in the case of Russia, if they don't act, Ukraine joins NaTo then the safety of its people and their prosperity will be threatened as NaTo establishes military bases close to their territory. Each side has its own reasons, it is difficult to defend either side.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Invester on September 22, 2022, 03:34:09 AM
...There are many negative effect of war but no profit...[/url]

I probably read all of the wars that are written in the books. And it is actually all about profit, either by land, power, religion, and ethnicity. Wars may be costly of course but those involved especially the aggressor calculated it already and made sure that it is all worth it.

So let's talk about the example which is the current Russian invasion of Ukraine. Do we really think Putin and his cabinets didn't expect heavy sanctions and losses coming? Of course, they analyzed as many possible outcomes. Russia believes that it is worth it to invade Ukraine in order to strengthen its position in the country and the possibility of stopping it from joining NATO. If Ukraine joins NATO then there is a high possibility that nukes will be installed. Crimea a part of Ukraine that was taken earlier by Russia has been a big naval base of the Russian navy since the old times and it will be in danger if Ukraine joins NATO.

Although Russia didn't expect the war to prolong I think it will end with the aggressor holding big Crimea and the rebel regions of Luhansk and Donetsk in the east. There are only over 200 million Russians and its vast lands are rich enough for them to recover its economic losses in the coming years.

I am not saying that I am a pro-Russian invasion here. I believe wars should be prevented at all costs. But as a long-time history and current events follower, I can see the Russian point of view.

Sure, all wars start with a goal and there will be profits in it. No country spends billions of dollars to wage war without taking into account profit, profit here is about territory, people, natural resources...
Today, the world is no longer the same as before, war is very unlikely, it is no longer an invasion between big countries and small countries to win resources or assert their position. It only flares up when there are problems that cannot be solved by foreign policy and it directly affects the safety and interests of the country.

Like you, I must say that war between Russia and Ukraine is a crime and should never be supported or encouraged. But in the case of Russia, if they don't act, Ukraine joins NaTo then the safety of its people and their prosperity will be threatened as NaTo establishes military bases close to their territory. Each side has its own reasons, it is difficult to defend either side.

We'll said fellas. Everybody think that Putin is out of his mind, that includes me to be honest. But at the same time, deep in our minds, we know that things are complicated but there are profits to gain and it is even more valuable than money. Security is what inside Putin's head and Crimea together with some territories in eastern Ukraine.   

Depending on someone's perspective but negotiations are generally clear that Russia has the upper hand. Russian main demands is for Ukraine to never join NATO, officially accepts that Crimea is part of Russia and Donbas and Luhansk be granted independence. And Russia is occupying more than its primary objectives that means more cards to play in the negotiating table. Even if Russia won't achieve all of these terms in the treaty it is still a victory for them than not doing anything. 


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Shasha80 on September 22, 2022, 03:44:02 AM

Unfortunately people and governments have a completely different view of war, for the people a war is a horrible event, if they happen to be part of it, this means they will lose their home, jobs and even be forced to fight and lose their lives as well, but for governments war is a business, which is what makes them way more eager to want to wage it as they are not the ones carrying the heavy consequences of a protracted war, and while I think the majority of the people longs for a world without war, I do not think this is something we will live to see.

Some war are not business mind because some country don't produce war weapons but they still go on to war. The reason for the war is not only for selling of war machines but they go into war if the people in government have ego. Too much ego and pride make for selfish reason of going for war. When the head of state want to show superior to the other president, he can decide for war because of that pride and will not make peace in between the both. Pride is the problem for war like Putin of Russia not agreeing for peace no matter peace discussion agreement.

Actually, there are quite a number of reasons why wars can occur, as you said, not all wars are related to business problems. There are also countries
that do have a very good military strength and a good economy too, but in the end the country is at war with other countries. One of them as you
said is just a matter of ego, where there are countries that want to show their strengths better than other countries. That they are a strong country
and if the reason for war is just ego, it is a sad reason for war.

Which many parties were harmed because of the war, but if the reason for war is just ego, that in my opinion is really ridiculous. That's why we have
to choose a really wise country leader, and indeed prioritizes the interests of its residents above anything else. But nowadays it seems difficult to
choose such a leader, most leaders, especially in big countries, must prioritize their own interests. That's why there are so many countries whose
economy is getting worse, just because their leaders are not wise in making decisions.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: 2stout on September 22, 2022, 05:16:41 AM
It could mean this, but IMHO go to war could also mean that the maintaining of the existing order has been upset or disturbed for whatever reasons.  In turn these reasons can also economic ramifications.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Furious 7 on September 23, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
This is indeed one of the things that can indeed be a decisive or turning point in the economy because it is clear that with the war there will definitely be an economic crisis, but the problem is that when so many lives have been lost, it is actually very sad because I still feel it is not worth it when there are so many people. Even though the existing victims were replaced with economic progress, I still don't really like this because apart from the economic impact, the psyche of the people involved in the war are definitely affected.
Killing civilians is not the main objective of fighting wars and is considered a war crime even if one person who is not a military person is killed. The problem is the exploitation of densely populated cities as hideouts and fortresses, in addition to using people as human shields during confrontations.
The rules of war that no one respects require that the conflict be between armies and not against the population. It also requires the availability of a battlefield and the provision of humanitarian corridors for civilians, while neutralizing hospitals and shelters .
This is only a word because in reality and when there is a war, it is still civilians who are the most victims despite the many arguments that say that it is not civilians who are the main targets.
As for the availability of the battlefield, this is actually only a cover because what is certain is that when something like this happens there are many reasons for it to happen, for example in a middle eastern country, which is suspected for several reasons.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on September 23, 2022, 10:15:17 PM
For totalitarian degraded regimes, war is the only option to keep the community in order to prevent its overthrow, as a result of the global decline in the standard of living of the local population. In a sense, this "stabilizes" the economy a bit, as the entire STATE economy is switching to a "military regime", and it works 24 * 7. True, private business is almost completely dying.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on September 25, 2022, 04:03:48 AM
Overall, there's really no reason to go to war. In simple terms, war is bad and has to be avoided. If all the energy and money and other resources spent on wars would instead be focused on something else, the world condition would be a lot better.

Especially in the age of globalization, wars would really cause a lot of damage. Russia's invasion attempt of Ukraine gives us an idea of how limited violence could produce global effects.
Everything said is true. War is in any case not only bad, but terrible from any point of view. But do not forget that the war does not start by itself. It is started and fueled by the destruction and murder of people. It is not Putin alone who unleashed the bloodiest war in Europe since World War II. Do not forget that the majority of the Russian population supported Putin's actions in the war against Ukraine and called for harder bombing and shelling of Ukrainian cities and killing civilians. The 200,000-strong army that invaded Ukraine and exterminates Ukrainians are also citizens of Russia. During the seven months of the war, we did not see any significant protests against this war in Russia. Therefore, Russians all over the world should be treated as robbers, rapists and murderers, regardless of who and what of them have been doing all this time.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: beerlover on September 25, 2022, 07:20:11 PM
Actually, there are quite a number of reasons why wars can occur, as you said, not all wars are related to business problems. There are also countries that do have a very good military strength and a good economy too, but in the end the country is at war with other countries. One of them as you said is just a matter of ego, where there are countries that want to show their strengths better than other countries. That they are a strong country
and if the reason for war is just ego, it is a sad reason for war.

Which many parties were harmed because of the war, but if the reason for war is just ego, that in my opinion is really ridiculous. That's why we have to choose a really wise country leader, and indeed prioritizes the interests of its residents above anything else. But nowadays it seems difficult to choose such a leader, most leaders, especially in big countries, must prioritize their own interests. That's why there are so many countries whose
economy is getting worse, just because their leaders are not wise in making decisions.
Elections and power, that's basically where it comes down to. If a nation is going into war, that usually means either the ruler wants to win some elections, or if they have no elections that they care (like China or Russia) they are willing to just show their power to the world and that's it.

Ego is a good surname for power, like what Putin did, Ukraine wanted to join Europe, and Putin showed this as a chance to prove he is powerful and if he wants to he could stop it, which he is failing so far as we can see, which was expected, Russia doesn't have even remotely the power that west has, and even just supporting Ukraine they managed to blow them back, imagine what would happen if it was a direct war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: South Park on September 28, 2022, 09:45:18 PM
This is indeed one of the things that can indeed be a decisive or turning point in the economy because it is clear that with the war there will definitely be an economic crisis, but the problem is that when so many lives have been lost, it is actually very sad because I still feel it is not worth it when there are so many people. Even though the existing victims were replaced with economic progress, I still don't really like this because apart from the economic impact, the psyche of the people involved in the war are definitely affected.
Killing civilians is not the main objective of fighting wars and is considered a war crime even if one person who is not a military person is killed. The problem is the exploitation of densely populated cities as hideouts and fortresses, in addition to using people as human shields during confrontations.
The rules of war that no one respects require that the conflict be between armies and not against the population. It also requires the availability of a battlefield and the provision of humanitarian corridors for civilians, while neutralizing hospitals and shelters .
This is only a word because in reality and when there is a war, it is still civilians who are the most victims despite the many arguments that say that it is not civilians who are the main targets.
As for the availability of the battlefield, this is actually only a cover because what is certain is that when something like this happens there are many reasons for it to happen, for example in a middle eastern country, which is suspected for several reasons.
True, even if we were to give the benefit of the doubt and believe them when they say harming civilians is not their objective at the end it does not matter because that is what ends up happening anyway, civilians which have nothing to do with the war are the ones that suffer the most as they lose everything they have worked so hard for, and if those losses stopped at material possessions many could still accept it, but when we are talking about the the massive loss of human lives that is when war in any of its forms becomes completely unacceptable to most people.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: AmoreJaz on September 28, 2022, 11:41:46 PM
This is indeed one of the things that can indeed be a decisive or turning point in the economy because it is clear that with the war there will definitely be an economic crisis, but the problem is that when so many lives have been lost, it is actually very sad because I still feel it is not worth it when there are so many people. Even though the existing victims were replaced with economic progress, I still don't really like this because apart from the economic impact, the psyche of the people involved in the war are definitely affected.
Killing civilians is not the main objective of fighting wars and is considered a war crime even if one person who is not a military person is killed. The problem is the exploitation of densely populated cities as hideouts and fortresses, in addition to using people as human shields during confrontations.
The rules of war that no one respects require that the conflict be between armies and not against the population. It also requires the availability of a battlefield and the provision of humanitarian corridors for civilians, while neutralizing hospitals and shelters .
This is only a word because in reality and when there is a war, it is still civilians who are the most victims despite the many arguments that say that it is not civilians who are the main targets.
As for the availability of the battlefield, this is actually only a cover because what is certain is that when something like this happens there are many reasons for it to happen, for example in a middle eastern country, which is suspected for several reasons.

that is very correct! no matter what they say, civilians are the most affected as they have no weapon to use. they are just depending on their soldiers to protect their lives. and then what? who will supply them their basic needs during this war? yes, their govt may give them some type of survival kit, but recovering their entire life would be on their own hands. there's no winner in every war, so to speak.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: samcrypto on September 28, 2022, 11:54:17 PM
that is very correct! no matter what they say, civilians are the most affected as they have no weapon to use. they are just depending on their soldiers to protect their lives. and then what? who will supply them their basic needs during this war? yes, their govt may give them some type of survival kit, but recovering their entire life would be on their own hands. there's no winner in every war, so to speak.
That’s the reality and yet the government still choose to go on a war and that could be for something. Russia won’t take that war if they are not into something, most probably they want something bigger. War is not good to humanity, every government should not pursue this at all cost because we can’t afford any world war again. I can’t imagine our country if there’s another war, probably we won’t survive.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on September 30, 2022, 05:26:56 PM

Like you, I must say that war between Russia and Ukraine is a crime and should never be supported or encouraged. But in the case of Russia, if they don't act, Ukraine joins NaTo then the safety of its people and their prosperity will be threatened as NaTo establishes military bases close to their territory. Each side has its own reasons, it is difficult to defend either side.
All the talk that Russia attacked Ukraine because it fears NATO expansion at its borders is Putin's nonsense and justification for seizing Ukrainian territories. This nonsense is completely broken even by the fact that already after the attack on Ukraine, Sweden and Finland became members of NATO and Russia received a direct border with NATO with a length of 1300 kilometers. And how did Russia react to it? After some threats, she calmed down, saying that they do not see an immediate threat from these states. But after all, we are talking about a single structure of NATO and there decisions are made from a single center.

Putin is a great strategist and calculated everything before the attack on Ukraine? Recently, Russia has been suffering colossal losses in Ukraine. In September alone, the Armed Forces of Ukraine liberated an area of ​​nine thousand square kilometers. Russia is waging war so incompetently that it has become the biggest sponsor for the Ukrainian army. Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, Ukraine, according to documented data, has received almost 400 tanks, 700 armored vehicles and 170 artillery systems as trophies. This is more than all the largest partner countries of Ukraine supplied. Due to the fact that Putin directly leads his military and is guided primarily by political goals, the Russians at the front are now losing 400-500 people every day compared to 30-50 Ukrainians.
Today it became known about the completion of the encirclement of another large group of Russians in the area of ​​the city of Liman. This is in addition to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are systematically destroying an encircled large group of Russian troops numbering 20,000-25,000 people in the Kherson region, which are pressed against the Dnieper River, and all crossings are under heavy fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Russian cadre army is almost completely destroyed in Ukraine, so Putin announced the mobilization and hastily, without any preparation, throws mobilized and unprepared "live meat" into battle.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on February 18, 2023, 06:41:42 AM
Human civilization has stepped into the 21st century. In front of us, thanks to the rapid development of new technologies and, in particular, the Internet, there are unique opportunities to unite and direct our common efforts towards the development of medicine, education, space exploration, improving the general level and life expectancy, and much more. But instead, Putin's Russia unleashed another, the largest and most brutal war in Europe after World War II to exterminate its neighbors in Ukraine and destroy peaceful cities, the infrastructure of Ukraine, and also causing enormous damage to the environment and its fertile black soil. Last year, 50-70 thousand shells per day were produced in the Donbass. Chernozems are filled with heavy metals and other compounds harmful to agriculture.

  Russia claims that it has come to Ukraine to protect the Russian-speaking population, but instead of protecting it, it primarily kills the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, which lives compactly in the Donbass region and, thanks to the use of the “fire shaft” tactics, destroys “liberated” settlements by 90-95 percent. The civilian population is physically destroyed for recognizing themselves as Ukrainians, as well as for discovering the attributes of the Ukrainian state. There should be no forgiveness for such crimes. At least for the next few generations. Russia, thanks to Ukraine's support from civilized states, will definitely be defeated in this war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on February 18, 2023, 12:23:03 PM
I, as a citizen of Ukraine, whose relatives live in Russia, will tell you what war is, in relation to our situation.
The reasons for Russia's attack on Ukraine will be left to the international war crimes court. And it will probably be considered by psychiatrists - to be such a clinical idiot as Putin, this is possibly a new mental illness.

This war is definitely destroying Ukraine. Economy, cities, lives, families, happiness, future. We will restore the economy and cities, because restoring them is only a matter of time and money. But lives, families and happiness will never be restored :( This is the strongest psychological trauma for hundreds of thousands of people. For millions more, this is also a strong stress, because many had to leave the country, leaving their fathers, husbands or sons here, who remained to defend their homeland from the terrorist attack of Russia.

But for the country that attacked Ukraine, this is a complete and irreversible degradation. The fact that they are sent to the front precisely in the form of cannon fodder is no longer a secret to anyone. Already the inhabitants of Russia themselves, who got to the front, squeal that they were thrown to the slaughter. BUT, they are also cowardly silent and do nothing, wildly afraid to raise their voice against the POWER. This is typical slave behavior - between life and death is NOTHING, they choose death for the sake of not opposing power. At the same time, Russia's able-bodied, productive population is being destroyed. Now more than 200,000 Russians have already died (this is taking into account gangs such as Wagner PMCs and other illegal criminal groups), more than 300,000 Russians are disabled with severe injuries.
The economy is collapsing, the army is degrading, the population is dying out. All means are thrown at the satisfaction of Putin's insane complexes. There is no money for medicine, education, social programs in Russia! And it won't, because sanctions can't be turned off like a light switch. And if the whole civilized world helps Ukraine, then no one will help Russia. And no one will support and feed Russia as it was in 1998. And even their "friends" such as China, India, Iran will simply tear apart the decrepit carcass, which they are already doing now, realizing that Russia has no future and it is necessary to quickly take away "its share" from the almost corpse of Russia ...


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on April 04, 2023, 07:17:56 PM

Like you, I must say that war between Russia and Ukraine is a crime and should never be supported or encouraged. But in the case of Russia, if they don't act, Ukraine joins NaTo then the safety of its people and their prosperity will be threatened as NaTo establishes military bases close to their territory. Each side has its own reasons, it is difficult to defend either side.
Today, April 4, 2023, Finland officially became the 31st state that is part of the NATO military-political bloc. The announcement was made by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken at the document exchange ceremony between Finland and the Alliance.

What Putin most feared happened - Russia gained about 1,300 more kilometers of direct border with the NATO country that is Finland. Before the entry of this country into NATO, the total length of the land borders of the Russian Federation with the countries of the alliance (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Norway) was about 1260 kilometers. Thus, the total length of Russia's land border with NATO members is already more than 2,500 kilometers. Now we can say with confidence that the border between Ukraine and Russia will be added to this border, which is 2295 km, including the length of the sea part - 321 km, the land part - 1974 km.
Thus, Putin achieved the exact opposite effect.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Joshapat on April 05, 2023, 06:48:23 AM
The economic war is now increasingly massive, many countries have emerged with powerful new economic powers, in the past China was a weak country which was used as the object of marketing from many countries, now the opposite is happening, China has turned into a strong industrial country and almost all Chinese products are spread and dominate the world .


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Smartprofit on April 05, 2023, 07:45:01 AM
There is a theory that war is beneficial to those countries that do not participate in it.  Especially if they carry out the supply of weapons and other resources to the warring parties. 

Usually destructive wars sober up people, people begin to strive for peace and avoid starting hostilities.  So in the last century there was a powerful anti-war movement in the world, no one wanted a repeat of World War II and the massive use of nuclear weapons. 

When the US authorities began deploying Pershing missiles in Western Europe, many Europeans took to anti-war demonstrations.  And then Mikhail Gorbachev came to power in the USSR and proposed a policy of disarmament...

However, now there is no mass anti-war movement in the world at all.  And all people, in principle, resigned themselves to the possibility of war with the use of nuclear weapons.  And it's very bad.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ahli38 on April 05, 2023, 07:55:28 AM
The economic war is now increasingly massive, many countries have emerged with powerful new economic powers, in the past China was a weak country which was used as the object of marketing from many countries, now the opposite is happening, China has turned into a strong industrial country and almost all Chinese products are spread and dominate the world .
even the Chinese currency (Yuan) has now been used in international trade by several countries. which shows China's current economic strength almost rivals the US. even China is now forming trade alliances with several countries that also have the goal of not being too dependent on the US Dollar. so trades are conducted in terms of money respectively or in yuan. currently joining the alliance include Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Russia, India and several countries from Central Asia.

even France has started trading with China by using the Chinese yuan currency, namely to purchase 65 thousand tons of liquefied natural gas. (Sourch (https://twitter.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1641586237378109442?s=20)) I think the global economy is starting to have a shift towards Asia right now. Dollar dominance could even weaken if this continues.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Similificator on April 05, 2023, 10:01:53 AM
Isn't it just sad that when you think about it, most of the reasons for war are simple and can easily be prevented but at the same time is also too difficult to stop? I mean, lower your ego, don't be too greedy, proving superiority over others isn't what the world needs right now, do not distinguish between allied and enemy countries when helping those in need, etc,. etc. There are things that can be done to stop all this madness but at the same time also impossible due to the stubborn human nature that most of the people can't control well especially those that are drunk on power and deluded principles or false/wrong planted patriotism. For simple people like us, we can only accept the reality of how unfixable this world has become already. Sigh, I pity the future generations, I really do.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Yatsan on April 05, 2023, 07:21:08 PM
Economic progression would be stopped for sure simply because everyone in those countries to ve involved would forcus more on surviving than to strive for the betterment of an economy. For sure there would be a recovery phase after the war but expect that it would be long enough for people to handle it with extra efforts. This is also why many countries are disengaging with war talks because it won't yield to anything positive for countries; Manpower, wealth of a country and broken relationships between countries involved in the war. This would also mean prices of imported marketable goods could either go up or down. This is also why there are alliances eixting.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: RockBell on April 05, 2023, 08:37:52 PM
When it comes to conflict, its effects extend beyond only the economy to individual lives as well. Damage to infrastructure, a decline in individuals of working age, inflation, scarcity, ambiguity, a rise in debt, and disruptions to regular economic activity are all potential results. And when it comes to infrastructure, a lot of people have been displaced, looking at Russia, Ukraine's economy, and the social lives of its population, looking at Russia when it comes to oil, other countries are already taking advantage of the possibility to supply oil to other countries, all Russia care about now is the war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on April 05, 2023, 09:17:10 PM
No one would have thought that in the 21st century there would be an idiot at the head of state who would send the country's troops to conquer a neighboring friendly state, while the population of this country as a whole would be happy to kill, rob, rape and torture people in the occupied territories. Putin and his entourage planned to divide the conquered inhabitants of Ukraine into five categories: some would be subject to complete destruction, others deported to remote depressed regions of Russia. Those who went out to protest were planned to inflict maximum injury, and the survivors were thrown into prisons. To do this until the Ukrainians would forget about their nationality. This is the future these Nazis were preparing for Ukraine and allegedly went to Ukraine to destroy Nazism.

That is why there can be no negotiations now until the complete annihilation of the invaders. Any concessions and a truce will be used by Russia to gather new forces and continue to continue as planned. Europe and the United States have already understood this, and therefore Ukraine is being given all possible assistance in its struggle for its freedom and independence.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Semar Mesem on April 06, 2023, 10:45:34 AM
High tension and tension between countries at this time can be a threat of war, in almost many countries the potential for war can occur, so that it will make the economy experience difficult times or recession like the end of world war 2, especially now that the war between Ukraine vs Russia continues to grow and become a threat for other countries to join the war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: fadhilz123 on April 06, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
High tension and tension between countries at this time can be a threat of war, in almost many countries the potential for war can occur, so that it will make the economy experience difficult times or recession like the end of world war 2, especially now that the war between Ukraine vs Russia continues to grow and become a threat for other countries to join the war.
The problem is why other countries have to join the war too? What are the basic obstacles that make other countries also have to go to war, even though as many people know that going to war is not a good solution in terms of solving problems and instead it triggers to create more new problems that can cause a country's economy be destroyed when lost in battle. So I don't think that every country wants to go to war for no good reason at this point.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: concept2 on April 06, 2023, 04:36:38 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

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Russia is a major supplier of fossil fuels, especially to Europe. Disruptions to supplies of these commodities are driving up prices.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)
It's like totally lame that wars are still a thing, you know? The way they mess up economies and societies is like, seriously devastating. After a war, we see all kinds of messed up stuff, like prices going way up, people struggling with poverty and hunger, and it's not just in the countries that were in the war, it's all over the globe. Check out Ukraine and Russia, bro. Their lack of fossil fuels is jacking up prices for everyone in Europe. Plus, wars are mega bad for the environment, making food shortages even worse.

War sucks and all, but there's hope, ya know? Lots of countries are trying to get along and thanks to fancy tech, we can stop fights before they even start. Plus, when countries do fight, they can come together and rebuild with help from everyone else. Yeah, it's hard to balance the money, but governments need to put peace first and invest in tech that can prevent wars. Let's celebrate the progress we've made towards global peace, but we can't get complacent. We gotta keep working together, like a bunch of homies, to make sure everyone can have a chill and dope future.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: fullhdpixel on April 06, 2023, 08:49:19 PM
There is a theory that war is beneficial to those countries that do not participate in it.  Especially if they carry out the supply of weapons and other resources to the warring parties. 

Usually destructive wars sober up people, people begin to strive for peace and avoid starting hostilities.  So in the last century there was a powerful anti-war movement in the world, no one wanted a repeat of World War II and the massive use of nuclear weapons. 

When the US authorities began deploying Pershing missiles in Western Europe, many Europeans took to anti-war demonstrations.  And then Mikhail Gorbachev came to power in the USSR and proposed a policy of disarmament...

However, now there is no mass anti-war movement in the world at all.  And all people, in principle, resigned themselves to the possibility of war with the use of nuclear weapons.  And it's very bad.
Beneficial in a sense that they don't need to spent for weapons and other war related expenses but not beneficial in general because when there are wars happening in other countries, other countries are experiencing economic problems. Like for example on the last Russia and Ukraine war, the prices of the oil and other goods are rising heavily.

Anti-war movement is needed. Not only that it will combat the issues in the economy but it can also save a lot of lives. Unfortunately some countries won't join a movement like that because they are war hungry. They think they are strong enough to dominate the other countries. Some countries are only forced to prepare for a possible spark of war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on April 07, 2023, 06:51:31 AM
High tension and tension between countries at this time can be a threat of war, in almost many countries the potential for war can occur, so that it will make the economy experience difficult times or recession like the end of world war 2, especially now that the war between Ukraine vs Russia continues to grow and become a threat for other countries to join the war.
The current deplorable situation with peace on our planet and the ability of strong states to attack weaker ones arose due to the fact that international institutions, such as the UN, ceased to fulfill their direct functions and become simply useless, capable only of expressing concern and strong concern.

Russia would not have attacked Ukraine if it had known that civilized countries, and above all the UN, would immediately take effective measures to pacify the aggressor. Russia previously attacked Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine in 2014 and there was no proper reaction from the world community. Therefore, Putin went further, leaving in February last year almost 200,000 of his troops, thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, and other military equipment to seize the territory of Ukraine. He miscalculated only that the Ukrainians would put up a worthy resistance, and only thanks to this, her support gradually began. In the first days of this war, everyone resigned themselves to the fact that Ukraine would be occupied by Russia in a few days, and therefore there was no need for her to help.

Now the aggressor country Russia presides over the UN Security Council, which is sheer absurdity. Moreover, Russia is self-proclaimed in the UN, it has never been accepted as a member of the UN and there has never been a vote for this. After the collapse of the USSR, the representative of Russia only stated that Russia would be the successor to the USSR, but the UN did not take any decision on this matter.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: siniminomorocomunisakito on April 07, 2023, 07:58:32 AM
Yes, War has serious consequences that go beyond the deaths of soldiers and civilians. It can distort economic progress by increasing inflation, exacerbating environmental degradation, and causing extreme poverty and food insecurity.

The recent conflict between Ukraine and Russia is an example, as disruptions to the supply of fossil fuels and agricultural produce have driven up prices and caused food shortages. The negative effects of war can impact the world at large and challenge the fiscal priorities of even advanced economies.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: concept2 on April 07, 2023, 11:02:56 AM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

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Russia is a major supplier of fossil fuels, especially to Europe. Disruptions to supplies of these commodities are driving up prices.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)
My dude, it's a harsh reality that some folks think it's all good to say "let's go to war." But let's not forget - wars always end up being a complete disaster for everyone involved, on the battlefield and beyond. They mess up people's lives and can cause stuff like inflation, poverty, hunger, and environmental damage worldwide.

Remember when Ukraine and Russia were beefing? Their conflict ended up messing up other countries too, causing economic chaos and food shortages. That's why we gotta work together and use peaceful diplomacy to prevent wars and find solutions.

War also seriously messes with the environment - the damage to infrastructure, water sources, and ecosystems can screw up agriculture and food production for years. That leads to even more food shortages and insecurity.

It's time to face the facts - war is a total bummer. The downsides far outweigh any potential upsides, you know what I'm saying? That's why we need to put talking and peaceful conflict resolution first instead of always turning to military action. By doing so, we can work towards a world that's more secure and stable for everyone.



Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: CarnagexD on April 07, 2023, 12:42:09 PM
High tension and tension between countries at this time can be a threat of war, in almost many countries the potential for war can occur, so that it will make the economy experience difficult times or recession like the end of world war 2, especially now that the war between Ukraine vs Russia continues to grow and become a threat for other countries to join the war.
The problem is why other countries have to join the war too? What are the basic obstacles that make other countries also have to go to war, even though as many people know that going to war is not a good solution in terms of solving problems and instead it triggers to create more new problems that can cause a country's economy be destroyed when lost in battle. So I don't think that every country wants to go to war for no good reason at this point.


I think other countries join war too because they have alliances with one country who's at war. Just like UN, UN members have to  to support each other in the event of war. They come to the aid of a friend or because they share the same principle then countries agree to come to each other's aid if one of them is attacked. They join wars to when they will gain benefit from it. For example, they want to gain access to resources or territory or to counter a perceived threat. It sounds selfish to me but considering that those countries have their reasons too, I think they had to.

I was just hoping that if they can, they can just seek diplomatic solutions to conflicts instead.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: 2double0 on April 07, 2023, 12:51:24 PM
There are negative effects of war but some countries do profit from these situations if all they want is the continuation of war between those 2 or more countries because the advantage-taking countries see that not alone the economy of countries involved in war is being harmed, but also their population will be suffering the nuclear drops' effects on themselves as well as their upcoming generations. This is the worst that can even bring in some deadly diseases which could potentially lead to more deaths being spread all around the globe. The nature is also changing its stream due to what's happening and we are also experiencing that change through earthquakes and unnecessary climate changes.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Alpha Marine on April 07, 2023, 03:56:50 PM
The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

I have always believed that the second world war derailed the development of countries on planet Earth. I have no data to back this up, it is just a belief of mine. I know many significant inventions were introduced during the great war but I just believe how ever developed the world is today, we would have been better without the second world war.


The crisis of the Ukrainian war should give lessons to the countries of the world in working to achieve self-sufficiency while reducing the need for external resources.

Can countries really achieve self-sufficiency? Like they will no longer need any resources from another country? That's not possible. There are countries that are over-dependent on another true and they can work so they are no longer over-dependent on other countries, like the way developing countries are dependent on the West, but in a counter cannot be self-sufficient, they will always need some things from an external country.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: WillyAp on April 07, 2023, 04:00:42 PM
Unfortunately so War is a chance to correct a system which has jumped rails. Just as our system has jumped rails.
Look at the involved parties, they are all bankrupt. 


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Obari on April 07, 2023, 04:14:49 PM
War has never been a friend to the society and the world at large because if there is war, there is automatically some kind of restrictions of movement and with just that alone, everything economically moves backwards because the right on the freedom movement has been bridged. There are great negative effects of war and war in this context might come in different forms just like the case with the COVID-19 because that was a global war and  the entire world was turned upside down as the disease made life difficult.
War isn't good and there shouldn't be any reason to declare a war especially in this present generation now .


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: WillyAp on April 07, 2023, 04:52:08 PM
War has never been a friend to the society

Society is not a friend to all, there are bundles of beings left out.
Animal kingdom for once, all societies are abusing their suoperiority.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: teosanru on April 07, 2023, 05:13:35 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

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Russia is a major supplier of fossil fuels, especially to Europe. Disruptions to supplies of these commodities are driving up prices.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)
That's true. Wars are obviously bad for any economy unless some economy does war profiteering like the US did during the world war 1. But I feel in case of the Ukraine and Russia thing it's already too late. But your point is right not only does it brings economic disruption in countries in war it also brings losses in some form or the others for the rest of the countries. For example like Whole Europe had to suffer with high gas prices when they put sanctions on Russia.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: so98nn on April 07, 2023, 05:51:36 PM
Wat can do many things. It can reduce the worlds population and with it goes our hope to greatest humanity and talents. If you study literature from world war then you will see how war did both things: gave rise to inventions and at the same time saw humanities ugliest destruction faces. Definitely today war is something else. It can destroy the whole supply chain, it can alter the course of technological advancement and stop the economy completely. Forget about inflation, we won’t be having any value to dollar as well if third world war happens. It would be fought for bread and wine.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Smartvirus on April 07, 2023, 06:40:16 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large
War is something I don't think any individual or nation would want to be in. That's why every possible means to avoid it if possible is been sort for but, the need to exercise some form of sovereignty or be in charge of your own territory and avoid influence often makes it in editable in conflict situations and resolutions.
In war, people get to lose there homes and means of livelihood, infrastructures and civilization that took years yo build or developed is reduced to dust in minutes or hours. It's such a hard thing to take. The good thing about it is that, through all these, humanity have been seen to find a way to better ourselves.

After the field is laid plane, an opportunity for new ideas is born and it teaches men to avoid situations that could lead to war at every reasonable cost. I say reasonable because, when your sovereignty is been challenged, it's hard not to result to war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 07, 2023, 10:23:20 PM
There are many negative effect of war but no profit
I don't think that's true, because I have seen so many guns and armory videos and picks which are neither tested before on humans and Russia is testing those weapons on Ukraine and even Ukraine is getting new technologies to test them on Russia in its counterpart, Overall these countries have become a test base for new weapons and I think that's a benefit for other countries. Plus countries need an alarm or slap that could wake them from doing the mistakes of sleepiness so they could prevent the same mistakes those under war countries made.

No doubt these wars have bad impact not only on warring nations but on the people of nations too. Which is bad, and in this inflation, things will be more difficult to buy for normal people. Like in my country things and goods are not that expensive as compared to European countries but like you guys pay 300$ rent and we pay $30 rent per month but still, we found these prices high why? Because of the devaluation of our money, how's that happening? Due to less employment and more inflation plus the rate of dollar is increasing against PKR (national currency) this has convinced peoples to lose hope or to urge them to earn in dollars but most of the citizens are illiterate to an extent that they don't understand English language then how could they earn dollars to meet there expenses.

The point is, regardless of wars things are way more difficult for our people and when these wars will take place then the saying of Albert Einstein will come true which was "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.". I hope that day never come and people live like a loving and caring couple ( I think I am hoping too much)


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Wong Gendheng on April 08, 2023, 07:30:38 AM
The impact of war will indeed make the economy collapse, many countries involved in conflict and war will become a poor country, this is because there is no more production, distribution and other business processes, many countries have experienced such bad things and from now on we have to Maintain peace.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: ilovealtcoins on April 08, 2023, 10:48:04 AM
The impact of war will indeed make the economy collapse, many countries involved in conflict and war will become a poor country, this is because there is no more production, distribution and other business processes, many countries have experienced such bad things and from now on we have to Maintain peace.

That is not entirely true. War will cause damage to the warring countries, but there will be countries that benefit greatly from war. The countries that sell weapons are making billions of dollars, and they never expect the war to end. The longer the war dragged on, the more old weapons they sold, as well as the chance to try out new weapons for customers to see. It can be said that war is not good for the people, but for politicians, it is good for them, they will have more power.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: temple on April 08, 2023, 03:34:12 PM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large
War is something I don't think any individual or nation would want to be in. That's why every possible means to avoid it if possible is been sort for but, the need to exercise some form of sovereignty or be in charge of your own territory and avoid influence often makes it in editable in conflict situations and resolutions.
In war, people get to lose there homes and means of livelihood, infrastructures and civilization that took years yo build or developed is reduced to dust in minutes or hours. It's such a hard thing to take. The good thing about it is that, through all these, humanity have been seen to find a way to better ourselves.

After the field is laid plane, an opportunity for new ideas is born and it teaches men to avoid situations that could lead to war at every reasonable cost. I say reasonable because, when your sovereignty is been challenged, it's hard not to result to war.

I think your first part is very meaningful because you said that a nation doesn't want to be in war. That implies an important differentiation because often it is not the people who want the war, but the government for ideological reasons. I don't know how many Russian civilians really want the war in the Ukraine, but if I had to guess I think it is not that many. Losing your children while you don't even know or never understand what it was good for, that can't be in the interest of the civil population. So the "nation" usually doesn't want war, while the leading apparatus of that nation might force it go to war.

The destruction we are seeing in war areas is so intense these days. It often looks like there never even has been a single building. Heaps of rubble everywhere, dead people lying left right and center. No energy, no water, no heating and children get born without medical care. Not even food.

I disagree in one regard with you: you said that humanity has been seen to find a way to better ourselves. Do you really think so? There come two ideas to my mind.

The first idea is that the weapons are so deadly today, especially the nuclear arsenal, that we do indeed have a global geopolitical strategy mainly based on military deterrence. Aggressors know that if they go too far, their county would eradicated from the world map, but then probably the whole world would be destroyed anyway. It only needs a few evil minds and we could indeed have a nuclear war. Do we have such an evil mind on the planet right now? I can't say yes, but I also can't say no.

The second idea is that war has only seemingly become less brutal because a hundred years ago there was less artillery and more close contact combats. That was brutal. Watching your enemy in the eyes while killing them is the worst one can imagine. Today you have way less close contact combat. That makes it easier for people to push the button. But think about it: does that make us any better than the people from a 100 years ago? When we conduct military operations as if we were playing chess or a computer game? That's the brutal part of today's war as empathy is close to zero once you marked your target on the screen and push fire. It is only digital. It is about coordinates, about software, about a canon that can fire miles and miles and miles. Dead people are no faces anymore, but numbers.

I get what you are saying @Smartvirus and I have been thinking about that question myself a lot. But the whole drone game slowly but surely feels like war has turned into a board game for its most part and we all know that board games feel much better on the inside than actually truly killing another body with your own hands.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on April 09, 2023, 05:53:35 AM

War is something I don't think any individual or nation would want to be in. That's why every possible means to avoid it if possible is been sort for but, the need to exercise some form of sovereignty or be in charge of your own territory and avoid influence often makes it in editable in conflict situations and resolutions.
In war, people get to lose there homes and means of livelihood, infrastructures and civilization that took years yo build or developed is reduced to dust in minutes or hours. It's such a hard thing to take. The good thing about it is that, through all these, humanity have been seen to find a way to better ourselves.

Saying this, you seem to not see what Russia is doing now in Ukraine and how the inhabitants of Russia still relate to the war. For almost a year of a full-scale war, the Russians supported the war and the bombing of peaceful Ukrainian cities by about 70 percent, as well as the murder of their "brothers" Ukrainians. Only now, when the war began to reach the territory of Russia itself, when information about the heavy losses of Russians in this war periodically leaks into the media, only now some of them began to think that war is not only the annexation of foreign territories, but also devastation and death. Therefore, now support for the war there has slightly decreased to 45-50 percent.

Therefore, to say that not a single person, or nation wants war, is not true. If Russia didn't want war, it wouldn't attack Ukraine. if the Russians did not want war, they would not fight in Ukraine to seize its territory.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on April 09, 2023, 11:26:04 AM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

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Russia is a major supplier of fossil fuels, especially to Europe. Disruptions to supplies of these commodities are driving up prices.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)


You are now operating with the values of a person with intelligence, honor, conscience...
And you simply can not come up with the idiocy on the basis of which tyrants and terrorists build their plans. And what are their reasons. There is no rationality, there is no logic, there is no real solution to some complex problems that cannot be solved otherwise. Although I am still opposed to the military solution of problems, and I think that we should try to look for other ways, except in cases of protecting our state, and responding to terrorists who initially do not follow any rules.
Totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, headed by crazy likenesses of the Fuhrer, are based on cowardice and fear for their lives, and inferiority complexes, which some try to realize through a primitive demonstration of strength (for example, against their own population) or aggression, for example, against a weaker one, or who can't resist. Any conflict, let alone war, always leads to destruction and loss. The affected country then needs years, and maybe decades, to recover. The aggressor country is the same, plus for many years it has become a pariah, is experiencing severe degradation, both in the economy and morality. War is very bad, I know personally, because a large-scale terrorist aggression is now being waged against my country....


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on April 24, 2023, 01:17:49 PM

The problem is why other countries have to join the war too? What are the basic obstacles that make other countries also have to go to war, even though as many people know that going to war is not a good solution in terms of solving problems and instead it triggers to create more new problems that can cause a country's economy be destroyed when lost in battle. So I don't think that every country wants to go to war for no good reason at this point.
You argue simply as a theoretician, without taking into account the realities that have now developed in the international arena. The countries of Europe were so afraid of the start of a new war that they did everything possible to make it very real for them, not only a conventional war, but also with the use of nuclear weapons. The countries of Europe, and in general all other countries, tried for too long to ignore the growing military threat from Russia, and the position of appeasing the aggressor only increased the predatory appetites of Putin and his entourage.

First, Russia, using its military and political influence, achieved the creation of the Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic on the territory of Moldova, then in 2008 it openly carried out a military invasion of Georgia. There was no proper reaction from society to the aggression. Therefore, in 2024, Putin went further and captured the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and part of its eastern regions. The countries of Europe were again afraid to pacify the aggressor, introduced weak economic sanctions and calmed down on this. The Kremlin realized that it could do whatever it wanted. Therefore, Putin decided by force to return the former republics of the USSR into a single state entity under the strict control of Russia, or rather, with the help of the army, to conquer and annex them to Russia. Therefore, a full-scale war with Ukraine in 2022 was only the next stage in the implementation of Putin's plans. Next in line would be Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, then, perhaps, Poland.

The unwillingness of European countries to provoke a war with Russia just led to the fact that Russia itself began to attack its neighbors in turn under various far-fetched pretexts and got to them. Putin's aggressive plans were not destined to come true only because of Putin's unexpected powerful military resistance from Ukraine. Therefore, subduing an aggressor by military means is sometimes the only way to avoid a larger war.

Now Putin is losing the war in Ukraine and it is quite possible that, saving his life, he can use tactical nuclear weapons and not necessarily in Ukraine. This is the price of just a peaceful policy, or rather, the inaction of the world community on the military threat on its part.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: cafee_orange on April 24, 2023, 04:11:18 PM
I hope that the two countries, Russia vs. Ukraine, will soon end their conflict for world conditions that continue to improve today and for future generations.
almost all countries have felt the effects of the war between the two countries which caused many industries not to operate because they were vulnerable to poor security conditions, so that many people did not work and did not earn money. I think the longer the war lasts, the more difficult it is for the world economy to develop.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: evader11 on April 24, 2023, 05:10:59 PM
I hope that the two countries, Russia vs. Ukraine, will soon end their conflict for world conditions that continue to improve today and for future generations.
almost all countries have felt the effects of the war between the two countries which caused many industries not to operate because they were vulnerable to poor security conditions, so that many people did not work and did not earn money. I think the longer the war lasts, the more difficult it is for the world economy to develop.
Prolonged hostilities between countries can harm not just the two countries immediately involved, but also the global economy and the well-being of individuals all across the world. War's economic consequences can be far-reaching. Industries may suffer as a result of supply chain interruptions, trade restrictions, destroyed infrastructure, and decreased investor confidence. Poor security conditions, as you indicated, can also prevent individuals from working and earning a living, leading to economic instability and poverty. Furthermore, resources that could have been used for economic development and social welfare may be redirected instead to military spending and post-war reconstruction.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on May 28, 2023, 03:13:14 PM
I hope that the two countries, Russia vs. Ukraine, will soon end their conflict for world conditions that continue to improve today and for future generations.
almost all countries have felt the effects of the war between the two countries which caused many industries not to operate because they were vulnerable to poor security conditions, so that many people did not work and did not earn money. I think the longer the war lasts, the more difficult it is for the world economy to develop.
Prolonged hostilities between countries can harm not just the two countries immediately involved, but also the global economy and the well-being of individuals all across the world. War's economic consequences can be far-reaching. Industries may suffer as a result of supply chain interruptions, trade restrictions, destroyed infrastructure, and decreased investor confidence. Poor security conditions, as you indicated, can also prevent individuals from working and earning a living, leading to economic instability and poverty. Furthermore, resources that could have been used for economic development and social welfare may be redirected instead to military spending and post-war reconstruction.
The cessation of hostilities in the event of a war between Russia and Ukraine does not mean the establishment of peace between these countries. In order for peace to come, Ukraine must definitely win. Other options, such as compromise solutions on both sides, will only delay the onset of the second stage of the war, when Russia again rebuilds its army and accumulates military equipment and ammunition. Evil in this case must be punished so that it cannot be reborn again.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: bestcoins1 on May 28, 2023, 04:19:27 PM
The cessation of hostilities in the event of a war between Russia and Ukraine does not mean the establishment of peace between these countries. In order for peace to come, Ukraine must definitely win. Other options, such as compromise solutions on both sides, will only delay the onset of the second stage of the war, when Russia again rebuilds its army and accumulates military equipment and ammunition. Evil in this case must be punished so that it cannot be reborn again.
The problem is how to stop Russia when the Russians start to revive their troops by equipping all the necessary equipment? Because Russia is a big country with a lot of human resources and also a lot of other resources, so Russia has a bigger power in terms of war than Ukraine.

So the choice of peace is a more appropriate thing in my opinion than one of them having to win in war because when one wins, of course the other one has to lose and that of course will result in revenge which might be reciprocated when the loser returns. the power to raise war again. That's why I prefer them to make peace with a more solid agreement so that there will be no more wars in the future.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: kojektea on May 28, 2023, 06:47:31 PM
yes that's true. they have to stop the war because those who are affected are ordinary citizens who happen to be in their country. they work to pay for their daily life but it is still not enough because in a state of war many lose not only one's life. i heard in parts of europe even electricity and gas prices they have to pay $1000 for it. I don't know if it's real or not, but it hurts if it's real.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: AmoreJaz on May 28, 2023, 11:44:05 PM
yes that's true. they have to stop the war because those who are affected are ordinary citizens who happen to be in their country. they work to pay for their daily life but it is still not enough because in a state of war many lose not only one's life. i heard in parts of europe even electricity and gas prices they have to pay $1000 for it. I don't know if it's real or not, but it hurts if it's real.

there's no winner at all in all kinds of war. i believe zelensky is just standing its position just to defend his constituents. well, we don't know when will this stop but hopefully very soon. a lot are suffering especially civilians on this war.
high likely that it has been greatly affecting the life of nearby countries not only ukraine or russia.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Kakmakr on May 29, 2023, 06:51:14 AM
My personal view on this is that there are a more sinister plot behind all of these wars. It is not just a political reason, but an economical strategy to "reset" markets.

Just look at the major market shifts around the world, when a war is announced. The stock markets take a huge blow and "reset" for rich people to make more profits. (Insiders must know about these wars in advance and they sell before the markets start to plummet)

The manufacturers of arms and ammunition are smiling, because they make huge profits in time of war.

Governments also reduce unemployment, because civilians are called up for duty to protect their country. A lot of people are killed, so they are also reducing the population.  ::)


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on May 29, 2023, 06:52:14 AM
The cessation of hostilities in the event of a war between Russia and Ukraine does not mean the establishment of peace between these countries. In order for peace to come, Ukraine must definitely win. Other options, such as compromise solutions on both sides, will only delay the onset of the second stage of the war, when Russia again rebuilds its army and accumulates military equipment and ammunition. Evil in this case must be punished so that it cannot be reborn again.
The problem is how to stop Russia when the Russians start to revive their troops by equipping all the necessary equipment? Because Russia is a big country with a lot of human resources and also a lot of other resources, so Russia has a bigger power in terms of war than Ukraine.

So the choice of peace is a more appropriate thing in my opinion than one of them having to win in war because when one wins, of course the other one has to lose and that of course will result in revenge which might be reciprocated when the loser returns. the power to raise war again. That's why I prefer them to make peace with a more solid agreement so that there will be no more wars in the future.
Talk about a lasting peace between Russia and Ukraine is all empty and non-binding words. In this case, the question immediately arises: under what conditions will peace be concluded. If someone wants to keep the territories of Ukraine now occupied by Russia, then it should be understood that even after the declaration of peace there, it will still not happen. The Russians want to destroy the Ukrainians as a nation, and therefore they are now killing pro-Ukrainian Ukrainians. Therefore, guerrilla warfare will continue in the occupied territories anyway. In addition, now the citizens of Ukraine are determined not to give any of their territories to anyone. They are now dying for it on a front stretching over a thousand kilometers. Peace is possible only after the last Russian occupier leaves the territory of Ukraine or lies down in its fertile soil.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on May 30, 2023, 10:09:19 AM
My personal view on this is that there are a more sinister plot behind all of these wars. It is not just a political reason, but an economical strategy to "reset" markets.
Just look at the major market shifts around the world, when a war is announced. The stock markets take a huge blow and "reset" for rich people to make more profits. (Insiders must know about these wars in advance and they sell before the markets start to plummet)
The manufacturers of arms and ammunition are smiling, because they make huge profits in time of war.
Governments also reduce unemployment, because civilians are called up for duty to protect their country. A lot of people are killed, so they are also reducing the population. ::)


Reptilians, Mormons, the Khmer Rouge conspiracy, the Yakuza, Cthulhu in the end - with a rich imagination, you can attach ANY event to each of them, and even the terrorist war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine.

But there are simpler facts. Well, the rule, as ancient as the world - "look for someone who benefits" answers these questions. I will explain this from the side of a resident of Ukraine. I will give simple and verifiable facts.

The beginning of the anti-Ukrainian policy of the Kremlin did not begin in 2014 or 2022, it happened much earlier. It was put around 2005 when the pro-Russian PR lost the presidential election. Ukraine was headed by an absolutely pro-Ukrainian president. And a pro-European vector of development began to develop in Ukraine.
This is not about NATO, there is no need to try to use this topic as "it provoked Russia." About NATO, as a trigger for Russia's reaction - this is a FALSE. You can check - THE FIRST official statement about the choice of movement towards NATO appeared ... in 2018 - 4 years after the start of Russian terrorist aggression against Ukraine.

It was 2005 that marked the beginning of Russia's anti-Ukrainian doctrine. Ukraine's withdrawal from Russia's sphere of influence and transition to the European Economic Area did not bode well for Russia. There are a huge number of reasons - economic, political, and reputational losses of Russia, and much more.
After 2005, Russia poured in huge amounts of money to create a positive image of pro-Russian political forces, sabotage pro-Ukrainian politicians, and much more. The effect was obtained - in 2010 the Party of Regions headed by Yanukovych returned to power again. And until 2013, we can say there were internal processes, and until November 2013, the President adhered to his obligations to continue the European vector of development. A sharp, inexplicable rejection of the European vector, a 180-degree turn, and "we are going into the arms of Russia." The population did not accept this, and no one explained the reasons ... Then I'm sure you know what happened.

And most importantly, "who benefits?". The benefits and goals of Russia are primitive:
- Political benefits: Destroy democratic scenarios - like the Maidan in Ukraine, where the people showed that they are in power, and the president is OJABZAN to fulfill his promises to the people. For the totalitarian Kremlin, this is an unacceptable, deadly scenario.
- The economic component - without Ukraine, the economy of the Customs Union is inferior, many industrial enterprises in Ukraine provided the defense capability of Russia, supplied solutions for key areas of the economy.
- Gas and gas transportation system. In Russia, there are only main channels for pumping gas, but there are no large gas storage facilities. Without this, it is impossible to ensure contractual conditions for gas transit. In addition, already in the eastern regions (Donetsk, Lugansk region of Ukraine) huge deposits of gas were discovered. And contracts for joint development were already being prepared. Do you remember how all of a sudden all the pro-Russian media started screaming that "shale gas is EVIL!" ? Yes, yes, this happened precisely after the information about the largest deposits of shale gas in Europe, on the territory of Ukraine, appeared. And this would lead to the loss of Russia's monopolized EU gas market.
- Psychiatry :) Here the problems need to be studied, but for some reason Putin decided that he was a new tsar, a collector of some fictional "Russian lands", a restorer of the USSR, and other mental nonsense.


In a word, you should not look for fairy tale stories to describe the reasons for the start of the terrorist war against Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor, Russia is the initiator.

Can you offer a logical, reasoned, and not a fantastic explanation, from the point of view, for example, this is not Russia the initiator of a terrorist attack on Ukraine, but ....? Let there be anyone, the main thing is that the arguments and common sense? It will be very interesting to listen! :)

The only thing I can agree with is that some countries, seeing where the situation is heading for Russia, and realizing the change in the balance of power, began to use this for their own benefit. Among such beneficiaries are China, India, Iran and some other countries that "help" Russia, some for simple enrichment, some for the implementation of their complexes ....


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on June 01, 2023, 04:46:00 AM
I hope that the two countries, Russia vs. Ukraine, will soon end their conflict for world conditions that continue to improve today and for future generations.
almost all countries have felt the effects of the war between the two countries which caused many industries not to operate because they were vulnerable to poor security conditions, so that many people did not work and did not earn money. I think the longer the war lasts, the more difficult it is for the world economy to develop.
Before the upcoming big offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front and realizing the inevitability of a military defeat, Russia is panicking and trying to compensate for the lack of any victories in Ukraine by continuing massive missile attacks and drone attacks, mainly supplied from Iran, on cities and other settlements throughout Ukraine .

During May, Russia fired more than 500 missiles and more than 400 kamikaze drones into Ukraine. 90% of air targets were shot down by Ukrainian air defense forces. Russia spent $1.7 billion on these attacks in May alone.

  Thus, in May, the Russian Armed Forces launched 563 missiles in Ukraine and 533 of them were shot down. In May, there were about 20 combined Russian air attacks. Most of them were sent to the Ukrainian capital.

The Russian Federation also launched 401 Shahed-136 Iranian kamikaze drones towards Ukraine. Ukrainian air defense forces destroyed 362 drones. Each such drone costs about 20 thousand dollars.

It is worth noting that among the high-precision missiles launched in Ukraine were 7 Kinzhal missiles and 16 Iskander missiles, which Russia was especially proud of as capable of bypassing any air defense. But Ukrainian air defense shot them all down. This dealt a colossal blow to the reputation of the Russian military industry.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on June 01, 2023, 08:10:25 AM
I hope that the two countries, Russia vs. Ukraine, will soon end their conflict for world conditions that continue to improve today and for future generations.
almost all countries have felt the effects of the war between the two countries which caused many industries not to operate because they were vulnerable to poor security conditions, so that many people did not work and did not earn money. I think the longer the war lasts, the more difficult it is for the world economy to develop.
Before the upcoming big offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front and realizing the inevitability of a military defeat, Russia is panicking and trying to compensate for the lack of any victories in Ukraine by continuing massive missile attacks and drone attacks, mainly supplied from Iran, on cities and other settlements throughout Ukraine .

During May, Russia fired more than 500 missiles and more than 400 kamikaze drones into Ukraine. 90% of air targets were shot down by Ukrainian air defense forces. Russia spent $1.7 billion on these attacks in May alone.

  Thus, in May, the Russian Armed Forces launched 563 missiles in Ukraine and 533 of them were shot down. In May, there were about 20 combined Russian air attacks. Most of them were sent to the Ukrainian capital.

The Russian Federation also launched 401 Shahed-136 Iranian kamikaze drones towards Ukraine. Ukrainian air defense forces destroyed 362 drones. Each such drone costs about 20 thousand dollars.

It is worth noting that among the high-precision missiles launched in Ukraine were 7 Kinzhal missiles and 16 Iskander missiles, which Russia was especially proud of as capable of bypassing any air defense. But Ukrainian air defense shot them all down. This dealt a colossal blow to the reputation of the Russian military industry.



Tonight, I personally experienced another rocket attack on Kyiv. Again they used ballistic missiles against a peaceful, sleeping city (the shelling took place at 3 am Kyiv time). The results of the tantrums of the offended miserable under-furrer are 3 human victims. 2 of them are children... This is what the "heroic Russian world" looks like, this is what "saving the fraternal people" looks like.

But back to economics.
Now the Kremlin is in hysterics, there are several problems:
1. understanding that a well-prepared, secured counteroffensive is a fact, and there is nothing to oppose to this.
2. demonstrative liberation of the Bryansk region by the Russian Legion of Liberators of Russia. In 1 day, an area in Russia was demilitarized and denazified, much larger than the area of ​​the city of Bakhmut, which the Russian second army of the world, plus criminals, has been trying to occupy for 10+ months! Moreover, the liberators of the Belgorod region entered and left without loss, and moreover, with the capture of Russian equipment! And Russia could not do anything!
The slap in the face turned out to be so strong that in the Kremlin they were silent for 2 days, they didn’t know what to say :)

And now, because of the hysterics of the Fuhrer of the Kremlin, the RF Armed Forces began to use the strategic stock of missile weapons. Another week or two of such attacks - and Russia will turn out to be a huge territory, which is guarded with equipment from the middle of the last century, criminals and demoralized people in uniform :)

All this costs a lot of money, which the Russian economy lacks like air! Financial losses, plus the loss of the population (in the literal sense) and the loss of the population's loyalty to the Kremlin junta - this is an irreversible process. It will end predictably - like the story with the USSR.

And very important - REPUTATIONAL! After all, all these Daggers and Iskanderif were presented to the whole world as "not knocked down at all!" And here is the air defense of Ukraine, for the most part with complexes of the 70-90s of the last century - EVERYONE SHOT UP!

You know that after this failure, all the key developers of the Iskander (and the Dagger is the Iskander launched from an airplane) were ARRESTED and accused of spying for China!  ;D

PS By the way - regarding the loyalty and support of the Russian population of Russia. I highly recommend reading the reaction of the Russian public after the raid of Ukrainian drones on Moscow, and especially on the village of Rublyovka - the place of residence of the Russian elites. Do you know what the population of Russia did? JOYED! What flew to Rublyovka and Moscow! :) Everything you need to know about Russian society... This is a human, moral INFLATION
And the most interesting thing is the reaction of the Kremlin :)
- The mouthpiece of the Kremlin nightingales, watered with choice mats ALL THE POPULATION of Russia, which rejoiced at the fact of the shelling of Msokva and specifically Rublyovka
- At the level of the Kremlin, a decision was made to prepare a plan for the evacuation of the residents of Rublyovka "to a zone inaccessible to aircraft." The truth about the rest of the population of Russia is no one cares, it is expected however


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on June 06, 2023, 01:46:39 PM
Tonight, Russia committed another terrorist attack and a terrible military crime in the occupied part of the Kherson region of Ukraine, blowing up the Kakhovskaya HPP in order to impede the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which began a few days ago. An explosion from the engine room, where the generators are located, almost completely destroyed the HPP. The remaining water washes away. Experts say that it is no longer possible to restore the Kakhovskaya HPP. 11 out of 28 spans have been destroyed, about 80 settlements may fall into the flood zone. In the southern part of Ukraine, this act of terrorism will cause a great ecological catastrophe. Many settlements will be flooded, others will not be able to receive drinking water. A catastrophe threatens even the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, the reactor circuit of which is cooled by water from the Kakhovka reservoir, the water level of which falls by 15 centimeters every hour. At the same time, due to the sharp shallowing of the Kakhovka reservoir, water will not flow to the occupied Crimean peninsula in the next ten years.

With the undermining of the Kakhovskaya HPP, which the Russians had mined since October last year, they apparently overdid it. The occupied left bank is much lower than the right one, and the main part of the water rushed there, flooding their first defensive fortifications. According to the interception of the occupiers' conversations on the radio station, they are sitting on trees, water is coming and they are asking to be rescued.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Blowon on June 06, 2023, 02:11:12 PM
I think they should be able to make peace soon because it really affects the economy in European countries. yes, I saw several posts a few months ago showing that gas in Europe has increased several times more than before, the losers are the civilians who should not be involved in this war. I think this is a matter of the top brass, hoping that the war will end soon and the economy between the two camps will return to stability, it will make people's lives much better.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on June 08, 2023, 05:05:54 AM
I think they should be able to make peace soon because it really affects the economy in European countries. yes, I saw several posts a few months ago showing that gas in Europe has increased several times more than before, the losers are the civilians who should not be involved in this war. I think this is a matter of the top brass, hoping that the war will end soon and the economy between the two camps will return to stability, it will make people's lives much better.
Talks and discussions about reconciliation between Russia and Ukraine are nothing more than the good wishes of those who do not understand the current situation between these warring countries. The military-political leadership of Russia has set the goal of destroying Ukrainians as a nation and Ukraine as a state. As long as Russia does not give up these intentions, any talks about peace with her are useless and cannot lead to anything. Ukraine also cannot leave Ukrainians in the territories occupied by Russia, so that they continue to be physically destroyed there. Therefore, Ukraine sets the condition for the complete withdrawal of all Russian troops from the territory of Ukraine, including its occupied parts since 2014, as the first point to achieve peace.

The undermining of the Kakhovskaya HPP and the prohibition of Russian troops to evacuate the residents of the city of Oleshki, which they occupied and flooded (due to the destruction of the Kakhovskaya HPP, the water there rose to seven meters and therefore sometimes the roofs of the houses are not even visible), confirms the tactics of the Russians to destroy all living things in the occupied territories of Ukraine and completely destroy it infrastructure. Do you think that it is possible to negotiate something with such barbarians?


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Latviand on June 08, 2023, 05:27:19 AM
I think they should be able to make peace soon because it really affects the economy in European countries. yes, I saw several posts a few months ago showing that gas in Europe has increased several times more than before, the losers are the civilians who should not be involved in this war. I think this is a matter of the top brass, hoping that the war will end soon and the economy between the two camps will return to stability, it will make people's lives much better.
I don't think peace is in the table right now, I think that the only way that the war will stop is if Ukraine gives up the part that's already occupied or they could revoke their invitation to join NATO, Putin has a lot of resources and even with all the sanctions, in a war of attrition they will be victorious. Economy wise, I don't think we're going to see any green pastures anytime soon even if the war ended, the cost of the destruction will be of paramount importance to be addressed.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on June 08, 2023, 06:30:47 PM
I think they should be able to make peace soon because it really affects the economy in European countries. yes, I saw several posts a few months ago showing that gas in Europe has increased several times more than before, the losers are the civilians who should not be involved in this war. I think this is a matter of the top brass, hoping that the war will end soon and the economy between the two camps will return to stability, it will make people's lives much better.


I apologize for my possible rudeness, but it is not possible to "make up" in this situation. Kremlin Nazism is already openly and openly stating that the goal is to DESTROY UKRAINE. Understand a very simple truth - "Rashism" is a cancerous tumor and cannot be reconciled with. Cancer can only be cured by complete destruction, otherwise it comes back and kills the organism that has decided that it has "made peace" with cancer.
You just can't imagine what Russia is really doing here in Ukraine. I'll tell you - the Nazis of Germany are "small spoilsports" against their background...

And to return to the subject - from an economic point of view, accepting economic international terror from russia would also be the ultimate idiotic thing to do. Understand one thing, in any relations with russia it is impossible to conduct any business relations and agree on anything. They don't care about laws, they don't care about signed treaties, they don't care about anything except their imperial ambitions.
And the population is just a tool, disenfranchised and reduced to an infernal state.
I have personally heard the interrogations of the captured "soldiers of the second army of the world". Do you know what most of the first wave mobilized in Russia answered when asked "why did you come to us in Ukraine"? No, not to "protect" from the phantom "Bandera people" the Russian language, but. "...and we have nowhere to make money, a bunch of loans, a hungry family, a sick mother and a penny pension, and prices are high. And  pay us very well for the war". They're not killing us, they're "raising their level of income." ....



Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on June 09, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
I think they should be able to make peace soon because it really affects the economy in European countries. yes, I saw several posts a few months ago showing that gas in Europe has increased several times more than before, the losers are the civilians who should not be involved in this war. I think this is a matter of the top brass, hoping that the war will end soon and the economy between the two camps will return to stability, it will make people's lives much better.
I don't think peace is in the table right now, I think that the only way that the war will stop is if Ukraine gives up the part that's already occupied or they could revoke their invitation to join NATO, Putin has a lot of resources and even with all the sanctions, in a war of attrition they will be victorious. Economy wise, I don't think we're going to see any green pastures anytime soon even if the war ended, the cost of the destruction will be of paramount importance to be addressed.
Even in Russia, propaganda channels are now calling for an urgent end to the "special operation" in Ukraine, since Russia is not able to win the war it started. In the Kremlin, as well as corrupt politicians around the world, they screamed that it was time for the parties to sit down at the negotiating table. But if the Kremlin still hopes to complete the negotiations to its advantage, then others, including China, prefer to make do with general formulations.
All this indicates that the state of affairs of Russia on the fronts of Ukraine is close to deplorable. Therefore, in Ukraine, they answered the Kremlin to silently wait for the end of the war, because they understand that any truce with Russia means the continuation of the war in the future after Russia restores its military power.

In the meantime, the invaders have something to fear. On June 4, the Armed Forces of Ukraine switched to a series of offensive operations in order to find weak points in their defense and achieved some success, breaking through the defense of the Russians in the south up to 17 kilometers deep. The Russians have already deployed about 70 percent of their reserve even for such actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which do not yet mean a general offensive. They understand that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon cut the existing land corridor to the Crimea, after which their defense will fall in all directions. At the same time, the invaders suffer heavy losses in manpower and equipment. Over the past 24 hours alone, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more than a thousand invaders have been destroyed. We are watching the further development of the situation and the defeat of the "second army of the world."


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: siniminomorocomunisakito on June 09, 2023, 04:54:33 PM
The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.


It has a very broad impact. Addressing the environmental impacts of war and conflict is also critical to ensuring food security and people's well-being. I think there should be strong efforts directed at conflict prevention, peaceful resolution, and post-conflict reconstruction, with a focus on restoring agricultural systems, promoting sustainable practices, and supporting farmers in rebuilding their livelihoods. In my view, why should it be fast. pity the people there regardless of the underlying reasons, By mitigating the impact of armed conflict on the environment, we can strive for a more sustainable and food secure future.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: bayudndy on June 09, 2023, 05:10:37 PM
Indeed, the consequences of war are far-reaching and affect not only the countries directly involved but also have knock-on effects that can spread across borders and impact stability and prosperity. prosperity of the whole world. While hoping and praying for an end to conflict is a natural response, governments, international organizations, and individuals also need to actively work towards peaceful solutions and support initiatives. promote peace-building, reconciliation, and sustainable development. Remember to prioritize peace, diplomacy, and conflict resolution to avoid the devastating consequences that accompany armed conflict. International cooperation, dialogue, and the promotion of peaceful solutions to disputes are vital to maintaining global economic progress and stability.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: RockBell on June 09, 2023, 06:33:00 PM
The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.


It has a very broad impact. Addressing the environmental impacts of war and conflict is also critical to ensuring food security and people's well-being. I think there should be strong efforts directed at conflict prevention, peaceful resolution, and post-conflict reconstruction, with a focus on restoring agricultural systems, promoting sustainable practices, and supporting farmers in rebuilding their livelihoods. In my view, why should it be fast. pity the people there regardless of the underlying reasons, By mitigating the impact of armed conflict on the environment, we can strive for a more sustainable and food secure future.

Food security should also be taken into account, and first and foremost, war should be avoided by all means. That is why no one was happy when Russia waged war against Ukraine let's pray that war should be avoided. In addition to the environmental impact, the mental impact is not to be overlooked because it affects a lot of people and then structures. When I read or watched a documentary about how many people died throughout world wars, I nearly broke down in tears. These countries primarily want to demonstrate who is more strong while oblivious to the repercussions.  and another impact is the economic impact after the war comes restructuring just to restore normalcy.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on June 09, 2023, 07:51:08 PM
Indeed, the consequences of war are far-reaching and affect not only the countries directly involved but also have knock-on effects that can spread across borders and impact stability and prosperity. prosperity of the whole world. While hoping and praying for an end to conflict is a natural response, governments, international organizations, and individuals also need to actively work towards peaceful solutions and support initiatives. promote peace-building, reconciliation, and sustainable development. Remember to prioritize peace, diplomacy, and conflict resolution to avoid the devastating consequences that accompany armed conflict. International cooperation, dialogue, and the promotion of peaceful solutions to disputes are vital to maintaining global economic progress and stability.

The main nuance here is that this time, the world terrorist will not be helped by ANYONE, just as, for example, the story of the restoration of West Germany.
West Germany was needed by the Western Coalition, which defeated the Nazi regime and saved the USSR from losing and being defeated.
West Germany, the FRG, became the economic locomotive of Europe after 20 years. China will quietly and calmly return its istoric lands (beyond the Urals of modern Russia)... Other countries, taking advantage of the situation, will buy up, for pennies on the dollar, attractive investment projects in the new, free republics that seceded from Russia ...
And yes, you are right - the changes that await us in the next 3-5 years will be global...



Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on June 13, 2023, 10:47:44 AM


Food security should also be taken into account, and first and foremost, war should be avoided by all means. That is why no one was happy when Russia waged war against Ukraine let's pray that war should be avoided. In addition to the environmental impact, the mental impact is not to be overlooked because it affects a lot of people and then structures. When I read or watched a documentary about how many people died throughout world wars, I nearly broke down in tears. These countries primarily want to demonstrate who is more strong while oblivious to the repercussions.  and another impact is the economic impact after the war comes restructuring just to restore normalcy.

Praying that there will be no war is clearly not enough now, when the Russian invaders on the territory of Ukraine, retreating, blow up and destroy everything they can after themselves. At the same time, man-made and environmental disasters are easily created.

So, on the night of June 6, Russian invaders blew up the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, as a result of which dozens of settlements in southern Ukraine were flooded, and the Kakhovka reservoir located above turns into a narrow river. At the same time, the south of Ukraine and the Crimean peninsula remain without fresh water for a long time, and the land without irrigation. Back in October, Ukraine stated at the UN that the occupiers were mining the Kakhovka HPP, but there was no reaction. I don’t even remember that they tried to pray for Ukraine and the planet as a whole. Even after the catastrophe, the invaders do not allow the UN and other international organizations to provide assistance to the population in the flooded settlements. Therefore, the corpses of the dead float between the houses and in the houses themselves, since the level of flooding often becomes five or more meters. Those civilians who try to evacuate on their own are shot in the back.

While the UN began to argue who is to blame for this situation and make stupid assumptions that the HPP could collapse itself, the invaders blew up another dam - on the Wet Yaly River in the Zaporozhye region. The rushing water is flooding settlements on both banks of the river, threatening the homes of local residents. With these attacks, Russian troops are trying to delay the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the liberation of their territories.

A very dangerous situation has now developed at the largest Zaporozhye nuclear power plant in Europe, which is also still in the hands of the Russian occupiers and which the Russians have turned into a military base. The undermining of the Kakhovskaya HPP made it very difficult for the process of cooling nuclear reactors.

After the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to successfully counterattack and broke through the Russian defenses in several directions, having already liberated seven settlements, the Russians realized that they might not be able to hold the Crimean peninsula either.
According to the intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Russian invaders are mining and preparing to carry out a terrorist attack at the Crimean Titan plant in occupied Armyansk in the north of Crimea. There are hundreds of tons of ammonia and other chemicals, which could cause another environmental disaster. Will we just pray, or is it time to finally act to discourage the Russians from acting like a monkey with a grenade?


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: slapper on June 14, 2023, 10:37:57 AM
I think they should be able to make peace soon because it really affects the economy in European countries. yes, I saw several posts a few months ago showing that gas in Europe has increased several times more than before, the losers are the civilians who should not be involved in this war. I think this is a matter of the top brass, hoping that the war will end soon and the economy between the two camps will return to stability, it will make people's lives much better.
I don't think peace is in the table right now, I think that the only way that the war will stop is if Ukraine gives up the part that's already occupied or they could revoke their invitation to join NATO, Putin has a lot of resources and even with all the sanctions, in a war of attrition they will be victorious. Economy wise, I don't think we're going to see any green pastures anytime soon even if the war ended, the cost of the destruction will be of paramount importance to be addressed.
Even in Russia, propaganda channels are now calling for an urgent end to the "special operation" in Ukraine, since Russia is not able to win the war it started. In the Kremlin, as well as corrupt politicians around the world, they screamed that it was time for the parties to sit down at the negotiating table. But if the Kremlin still hopes to complete the negotiations to its advantage, then others, including China, prefer to make do with general formulations.
All this indicates that the state of affairs of Russia on the fronts of Ukraine is close to deplorable. Therefore, in Ukraine, they answered the Kremlin to silently wait for the end of the war, because they understand that any truce with Russia means the continuation of the war in the future after Russia restores its military power.

In the meantime, the invaders have something to fear. On June 4, the Armed Forces of Ukraine switched to a series of offensive operations in order to find weak points in their defense and achieved some success, breaking through the defense of the Russians in the south up to 17 kilometers deep. The Russians have already deployed about 70 percent of their reserve even for such actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which do not yet mean a general offensive. They understand that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon cut the existing land corridor to the Crimea, after which their defense will fall in all directions. At the same time, the invaders suffer heavy losses in manpower and equipment. Over the past 24 hours alone, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more than a thousand invaders have been destroyed. We are watching the further development of the situation and the defeat of the "second army of the world."
Should Ukraine cede its occupied territory? Heck, no! Sure, Putin's packing power, but remember, might isn't the sole deciding factor. It's about grit and guarding what's yours. Admittedly, the economy will face a storm. But isn't that freedom's price? Isn't defending justice worth an economic blow? Who says global support won't rally behind Ukraine post-crisis? Russia's prowess isn't as formidable, agreed? They're depleting reserves, losing manpower and machinery faster than restocking. The past day alone saw over a thousand invaders fall. Isn't that telling?

Just think, underdogs have their day too.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on June 15, 2023, 04:00:35 PM

Should Ukraine cede its occupied territory? Heck, no! Sure, Putin's packing power, but remember, might isn't the sole deciding factor. It's about grit and guarding what's yours. Admittedly, the economy will face a storm. But isn't that freedom's price? Isn't defending justice worth an economic blow? Who says global support won't rally behind Ukraine post-crisis? Russia's prowess isn't as formidable, agreed? They're depleting reserves, losing manpower and machinery faster than restocking. The past day alone saw over a thousand invaders fall. Isn't that telling?

Just think, underdogs have their day too.
Russian military power has shattered in an attempt to take over Ukraine. Now Russia cannot even fully defend its territory, as evidenced by the raids into the Belgorod region of the Russian Volunteer Corps. 84 percent of Ukrainians under no circumstances agree to cede any part of their territory, so the Putin regime is doomed.

Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are conducting reconnaissance in combat in the southern and eastern directions, gradually freeing the occupied territories of Ukraine, which causes real panic among the invaders. The first line of defense of the occupiers has been quite successfully broken through. In response, the Russians deployed about 90 percent of their reserves, while the Ukrainian Armed Forces had not yet committed their main reserves to the offensive. Only three of the twelve brigades formed for such an offensive are involved. According to forecasts, at the end of June, the Russian defenses will crumble and turn into a stampede with the formation of large encirclement cauldrons for the invaders.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on July 04, 2023, 10:40:15 AM
The Russian invaders, advancing on Ukrainian cities and other settlements, methodically destroyed everything that could serve as a shelter for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and a refuge for civilians with a fire shaft. Retreating, trying to hold back the advance of the ASU, they also leave behind almost nothing but ruins.
Moreover, anticipating a military defeat in Ukraine, the Kremlin does not stop at committing large-scale environmental and man-made disasters that can cause damage not only to Ukraine, but also to the inhabitants of Russia itself and the population of other states.

So, in order to slow down the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the night of June 6, the Russian invaders blew up the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, flooding about 80 settlements of Ukraine. The economic impact of this has yet to be assessed. But residents of many African and Asian countries will experience a significant decrease in food supplies from Ukraine.

Now the Russian invaders have mined the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, the largest in Europe. The Kremlin has already approved a plan to blow it up, and this will presumably happen after July 5, when the wind with radiation is expected to blow west towards Europe. The world has yet again practically not reacted to another possible major global catastrophe.

There has also been an increase in the movement of people and equipment near the Kursk nuclear power plant in Russia itself. Information appeared that the Russians were going to make a major accident there and blame Ukraine for this, and then, as a response, launch a nuclear strike. The Russians seem to be trying to prove how completely crazy they are. That's what the fear of a major military defeat from Ukraine does, the territory of which they tried to seize last year in a few days.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: slapper on July 04, 2023, 11:18:27 AM
~snip~
When I read your comment, I become a little stiff and my eyebrows raise in a combination of fear and skepticism. The allegations are catastrophic, perhaps cataclysmic, if true. Inflicting widespread damage on civilian infrastructure, flooding inhabited areas, and (most disturbing of all) mining nuclear power stations would be a flagrant breach of international law. Still, we need to proceed with caution in this informational minefield. A canister of smoke, "(mis)information" is frequently used as a weapon of war. Is there any proof that these events actually took place? In such cases, people everywhere will need to work together to avert disaster.

It's terrifying to think that natural calamities may be used as weapons, like playing Russian roulette with Mother Nature. Any such action would have far-reaching and terrible ramifications, not only for Ukraine but for the surrounding nations and regions as well. The stereotype of Russia as a crazed country that would bite off its own tail in a fit of rage is unsettling to many people. Wisdom and impartiality are our strongest allies in times of fear and uncertainty, so keep that in mind.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on July 04, 2023, 03:25:37 PM
~snip~
When I read your comment, I become a little stiff and my eyebrows raise in a combination of fear and skepticism. The allegations are catastrophic, perhaps cataclysmic, if true. Inflicting widespread damage on civilian infrastructure, flooding inhabited areas, and (most disturbing of all) mining nuclear power stations would be a flagrant breach of international law. Still, we need to proceed with caution in this informational minefield. A canister of smoke, "(mis)information" is frequently used as a weapon of war. Is there any proof that these events actually took place? In such cases, people everywhere will need to work together to avert disaster.

It's terrifying to think that natural calamities may be used as weapons, like playing Russian roulette with Mother Nature. Any such action would have far-reaching and terrible ramifications, not only for Ukraine but for the surrounding nations and regions as well. The stereotype of Russia as a crazed country that would bite off its own tail in a fit of rage is unsettling to many people. Wisdom and impartiality are our strongest allies in times of fear and uncertainty, so keep that in mind.
If you consider Russia a civilized country, then you probably have not seen what the recently flourishing cities and other settlements in the east and south of Ukraine have turned into, where the foot of the Russian occupier set foot. Completely scorched earth with dilapidated walls of multi-storey buildings or almost complete ruins on the site of private one-story houses, as well as mass "fraternal" burials of tortured and shot civilian Ukrainians with their hands tied and with bags on their heads just because they consider themselves Ukrainians and had in home or carry Ukrainian symbols or a tattoo. Therefore, at all checkpoints, Russians undress Ukrainians to check for such tattoos or information on a mobile phone.

On June 22, the President of Ukraine Zelensky announced to the whole world about the mining of the Zaporizhzhya NPP and warned that Russia was preparing to stage a terrorist attack at the ZNPP with a release of radiation. Therefore, the president promised to transfer all available information with all confirmations to Western partners.
The head of the IAEA, Rafael Grossi, also confirmed that the Zaporozhye NPP was mined along the perimeter and in some places inside the plant. This information is completely open and not hidden. What other evidence is needed to understand that the Russians have long surpassed the Nazis in their cruelty and cynicism?
Source:
https://tsn.ua/ru/ato/zaporozhskaya-aes-zaminirovana-po-perimetru-i-vnutri-v-magate-soobschili-chto-s-prudom-2355487.html

Every day in Ukraine, tens of thousands of shells, mines and rockets are fired at the front, over a thousand kilometers long, and civilians die every day. The most brutal and large-scale war since the Second World War is underway.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are now advancing through almost continuous minefields in the flat terrain of the southern steppes of Ukraine, where the Russians have an air superiority of about ten times. Not a single offensive military doctrine in the world provides for a major offensive with such superiority in enemy aircraft. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually moving forward along the entire front and knocking out equipment, especially enemy artillery systems. For several weeks, the southern front of the Russians will inevitably crumble.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: DrBeer on July 04, 2023, 08:41:50 PM
~snip~
When I read your comment, I become a little stiff and my eyebrows raise in a combination of fear and skepticism. The allegations are catastrophic, perhaps cataclysmic, if true. Inflicting widespread damage on civilian infrastructure, flooding inhabited areas, and (most disturbing of all) mining nuclear power stations would be a flagrant breach of international law. Still, we need to proceed with caution in this informational minefield. A canister of smoke, "(mis)information" is frequently used as a weapon of war. Is there any proof that these events actually took place? In such cases, people everywhere will need to work together to avert disaster.

It's terrifying to think that natural calamities may be used as weapons, like playing Russian roulette with Mother Nature. Any such action would have far-reaching and terrible ramifications, not only for Ukraine but for the surrounding nations and regions as well. The stereotype of Russia as a crazed country that would bite off its own tail in a fit of rage is unsettling to many people. Wisdom and impartiality are our strongest allies in times of fear and uncertainty, so keep that in mind.


As a resident of Ukraine, and a resident of Kiev, who met February 24 at home, and spent a lot of time in the ranks of the Territorial Defense of Kiev, I can say - it was the position "let's be careful, let's talk, let's not jump to conclusions" from 2014 that led to February 2022. It led to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians killed, tens of thousands tortured to death by the most sadistic, inhumane method, hundreds of towns and cities destroyed (destroyed in the truest sense - they simply ceased to exist forever), about 35% of the economy irreversibly destroyed, millions of migrants and refugees who lost everything in their lives - from their families to their homes and personal belongings... I saw the results of this "operation to protect the Russian-speaking population"... Blood, destruction, grief, death, death, death...

I will tell you this, the Kremlin regime is the real cancer of the modern world. And if you think that cancer can be treated by talking and expecting "what if it goes away" - then find out what a delay in active treatment of cancer means, and you will understand why you are wrong about the situation with Russia's terrorist war against Ukraine. Russia's victory is the death of the entire developed world...


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: harapan on March 05, 2024, 05:26:54 PM
War has a disastrous effects on people and the well-being of the nation at large.Similarly,war destroys communities,families and often disrupts the development of the social and economic efforts of nations.Putting aside the loss of human lives,the war also affects economic costs and inflation, it causes disorganization and disruption of normal economic running of the system.
 Neighbouring countries that have experienced and witnessed this clash becomes unsecured and feels unsafe in their environments.There can be better ways to resolve conflicts amongst nations but they'll choose to brutally attacked each other and wreck threatening havocs to livelihood.Preventing war is a good choice because It strengthens peace and promotes economic sustainability.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on March 09, 2024, 02:02:48 PM

War is something I don't think any individual or nation would want to be in. That's why every possible means to avoid it if possible is been sort for but, the need to exercise some form of sovereignty or be in charge of your own territory and avoid influence often makes it in editable in conflict situations and resolutions.
In war, people get to lose there homes and means of livelihood, infrastructures and civilization that took years yo build or developed is reduced to dust in minutes or hours. It's such a hard thing to take. The good thing about it is that, through all these, humanity have been seen to find a way to better ourselves.

If you look at the citizens of Russia and their behavior and statements during their war with Ukraine, it seems that your opinion that no nation wants war is very wrong.

A majority of Russians have supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine since early 2022. However, only a third of them believe that residents of the Russian Federation bear moral responsibility for the genocide of Ukrainians and the destruction caused by the Russian invasion on the territory of Ukraine. According to its results, as of January 2024, the majority of respondents (77%) support the war against Ukraine, 16% of respondents do not support it, and another 8% find it difficult to answer.
Imagine, three quarters of Russians want war and do not consider it immoral to kill women and children in Ukraine. Moreover, such a percentage within 70 exists constantly throughout the entire period of the war.

In addition, only half of those surveyed support the idea of peace negotiations, but this figure has decreased slightly compared to November last year.

66% of Russians agree that the Russian Federation is paying too high a price for participating in the war. Most often these are women, those who barely have enough to eat and those who believe that the country is moving in the wrong direction. 25% have the opposite opinion.

About 64% of Russians do not believe that the country made a mistake by starting the war, but this figure has gradually increased compared to September last year.
About 22% of respondents consider the start of the war against Ukraine a mistake. Most often these are respondents who do not support the policies of dictator Vladimir Putin (55%)
https://nv.ua/world/countries/skolko-rossiyan-podderzhivayut-voynu-protiv-ukrainy-procent-novosti-rossii-50390654.html


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Ozero on March 30, 2024, 02:35:08 PM

War is something I don't think any individual or nation would want to be in. That's why every possible means to avoid it if possible is been sort for but, the need to exercise some form of sovereignty or be in charge of your own territory and avoid influence often makes it in editable in conflict situations and resolutions.
In war, people get to lose there homes and means of livelihood, infrastructures and civilization that took years yo build or developed is reduced to dust in minutes or hours. It's such a hard thing to take. The good thing about it is that, through all these, humanity have been seen to find a way to better ourselves.

If you look at the citizens of Russia and their behavior and statements during their war with Ukraine, it seems that your opinion that no nation wants war is very wrong.

A majority of Russians have supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine since early 2022. However, only a third of them believe that residents of the Russian Federation bear moral responsibility for the genocide of Ukrainians and the destruction caused by the Russian invasion on the territory of Ukraine. According to its results, as of January 2024, the majority of respondents (77%) support the war against Ukraine, 16% of respondents do not support it, and another 8% find it difficult to answer.
Imagine, three quarters of Russians want war and do not consider it immoral to kill women and children in Ukraine. Moreover, such a percentage within 70 exists constantly throughout the entire period of the war.

On March 15-17, the next presidential elections were held in Russia. And although the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation announced that 87 percent of the country’s population voted for Putin, analysts agree that the real figure is still somewhere around 47 percent. That is, almost half of the Russian population voted for the international criminal Putin, who is wanted by the International Criminal Court in The Hague. The people of Russia continue to choose war in Ukraine and daily shelling of the territory and its settlements. Therefore, responsibility for the massacres in Ukraine lies not only with Putin and his entourage, but also with the entire Russian people.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Bushdark on March 30, 2024, 09:45:32 PM
War has a disastrous effects on people and the well-being of the nation at large.Similarly,war destroys communities,families and often disrupts the development of the social and economic efforts of nations.Putting aside the loss of human lives,the war also affects economic costs and inflation, it causes disorganization and disruption of normal economic running of the system.
 Neighbouring countries that have experienced and witnessed this clash becomes unsecured and feels unsafe in their environments.There can be better ways to resolve conflicts amongst nations but they'll choose to brutally attacked each other and wreck threatening havocs to livelihood.Preventing war is a good choice because It strengthens peace and promotes economic sustainability.
War should never be an option for any country to oblige to because the catastrophe is always unpredictable.
It is very important for the world countries to stay close to holding peace than trying to hard to make sure that problems keep coming when it supposed not to come. There are millions of reasons why we need to avoid war because the ones we are seeing in Ukraine is a typical example why we should make sure we stay out of war environment.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: |MINER| on March 30, 2024, 10:25:49 PM
War never brings anything good to any country. War means destruction.  The impact of war affects the war-torn country as well as other countries associated with that country. Just as war damages the economic condition of a country, it also devastates the country.  It is better not to get involved in war. Because it creates inflation. And inflation is a curse for a country. One should maintain peace without getting involved in war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: oktana on March 30, 2024, 11:33:51 PM
It really is disastrous. Lives are very valuable but it takes more than lives because economies crumble. And it’s saddening because this could likely be an economy which has been struggling to get up, and when it’s finally up, there’s war to bring it crumbling down. People who were struggling to get their lives together suddenly become poor again. Sometimes I wonder if the people who trigger this war not consider all the suffering and negative effects before casing it.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Iroh on March 31, 2024, 06:30:02 AM
War brings chaos and destruction and death. Like the OP noted, war alters the economic and social growth of both parties involved. Even when the war clearly brings forth a victor, the victor also suffers economic consequences from the war. I wouldn’t exactly say the effects is felt more on the world than in the countries actually fighting the war.

Obviously, the impact is felt in the surrounding regions and all over. Goods and services normally produced in that region and exported to various parts of the earth would be affected, drastically reduced or even stopped. Warring parties would have to conserve resources for their own citizens as the normal rate of the production of goods and services would have been reduced.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: harapan on April 01, 2024, 07:17:36 AM
War has always been associated with altered economic progression for citizens who then become victims of the harsh economic realities they will have to face as a result of crisis. But there are some people and companies that benefit and are not really affected whenever there is a crisis for instance, the manufacturers of guns and ammunitions, pharmaceutical supplies as well and relief materials are always in profit.

The emergence of war is has adverse effects for global peace;adverse global  economic effects including extreme poverty,unemployment,inflation,food shortages,deglobalization and unfavorable environmental factors.

For the global economy, fuel and food shortages caused by the war are exacerbating post-pandemic inflation that had already reached multi-decade highs in most of the world. War us a global threat and it reduces the world's economic progess to a zero level.
 War is affects our lives,there's withdrawal of economic and financial activities,leaving us with no choice to suffer insignificantly.

Wars leave deep traces in the country’s economy during and after the war, as well as social and physical consequences.Even after the war,it takes a lot time and effort for some countries and finally recover from the loss and decline in the global sectors.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Mame89 on April 02, 2024, 09:16:32 PM
War brings chaos and destruction and death. Like the OP noted, war alters the economic and social growth of both parties involved. Even when the war clearly brings forth a victor, the victor also suffers economic consequences from the war. I wouldn’t exactly say the effects is felt more on the world than in the countries actually fighting the war.

Obviously, the impact is felt in the surrounding regions and all over. Goods and services normally produced in that region and exported to various parts of the earth would be affected, drastically reduced or even stopped. Warring parties would have to conserve resources for their own citizens as the normal rate of the production of goods and services would have been reduced.
What is certain is that war is a bad action, both through physical and non-physical actions, because it will result in physical violence and blockades in both countries which will have an impact on the economy. So if a war breaks out between the two countries, of course it will not only impact the two warring countries, but also various countries in the world. War can even cause food prices in a country to increase. The impact may initially only be a small change, but if the war is prolonged it can change the world economy drastically in the long term.

Because of course war is not just a small initial change, but a significant initial change. The deployment of large amounts of military force can also result in large expenditures, as happened in the Russia vs Ukraine and Israel vs Palestine wars. However, what is clear is that war not only takes lives and physical casualties, but also has a huge impact on both countries and also neighboring countries. Apart from that, other economic burdens including the construction of refugee camps, trauma caused by war, the collapse of the economic system in both countries, and the impact of weapons radiation are quite worrying in the long term.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: btc78 on April 05, 2024, 10:50:48 PM
War brings chaos and destruction and death. Like the OP noted, war alters the economic and social growth of both parties involved. Even when the war clearly brings forth a victor, the victor also suffers economic consequences from the war. I wouldn’t exactly say the effects is felt more on the world than in the countries actually fighting the war.

Obviously, the impact is felt in the surrounding regions and all over. Goods and services normally produced in that region and exported to various parts of the earth would be affected, drastically reduced or even stopped. Warring parties would have to conserve resources for their own citizens as the normal rate of the production of goods and services would have been reduced.
What is certain is that war is a bad action, both through physical and non-physical actions, because it will result in physical violence and blockades in both countries which will have an impact on the economy. So if a war breaks out between the two countries, of course it will not only impact the two warring countries, but also various countries in the world. War can even cause food prices in a country to increase. The impact may initially only be a small change, but if the war is prolonged it can change the world economy drastically in the long term.

Because of course war is not just a small initial change, but a significant initial change. The deployment of large amounts of military force can also result in large expenditures, as happened in the Russia vs Ukraine and Israel vs Palestine wars. However, what is clear is that war not only takes lives and physical casualties, but also has a huge impact on both countries and also neighboring countries. Apart from that, other economic burdens including the construction of refugee camps, trauma caused by war, the collapse of the economic system in both countries, and the impact of weapons radiation are quite worrying in the long term.

Adding to what you have already mentioned, many countries would see an increase in illegal immigrants in the country. Of course they are trying to escape and if the government is not there to help them, they would do everything in their power to get away from the war as much as possible.

Countries having connections with other countries also ensure that there will be a lot of countries involved trying to help each of the country they support. Full-blown wars are messy and thus should never happen. People hoping that world war iii is to happen must stop and think about the consequences of such war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: topbitcoin on April 05, 2024, 11:18:55 PM
War brings chaos and destruction and death. Like the OP noted, war alters the economic and social growth of both parties involved. Even when the war clearly brings forth a victor, the victor also suffers economic consequences from the war. I wouldn’t exactly say the effects is felt more on the world than in the countries actually fighting the war.

Obviously, the impact is felt in the surrounding regions and all over. Goods and services normally produced in that region and exported to various parts of the earth would be affected, drastically reduced or even stopped. Warring parties would have to conserve resources for their own citizens as the normal rate of the production of goods and services would have been reduced.
What is certain is that war is a bad action, both through physical and non-physical actions, because it will result in physical violence and blockades in both countries which will have an impact on the economy. So if a war breaks out between the two countries, of course it will not only impact the two warring countries, but also various countries in the world. War can even cause food prices in a country to increase. The impact may initially only be a small change, but if the war is prolonged it can change the world economy drastically in the long term.

Because of course war is not just a small initial change, but a significant initial change. The deployment of large amounts of military force can also result in large expenditures, as happened in the Russia vs Ukraine and Israel vs Palestine wars. However, what is clear is that war not only takes lives and physical casualties, but also has a huge impact on both countries and also neighboring countries. Apart from that, other economic burdens including the construction of refugee camps, trauma caused by war, the collapse of the economic system in both countries, and the impact of weapons radiation are quite worrying in the long term.

War can result in physical violence, blockades, and enormous economic damage not only to the countries at war but also to the international community at large. In a practical context, the conflicts between Russia and Ukraine as well as Israel and Palestine show that wars have a number of costs in terms of military expenditure as well as negative consequences for socio-economic development over time. Apart from causing loss of life and destruction of human life and material culture, war also carries a heavy economic burden for the governments involved. Therefore, war does not only have a limited impact on the conflicting parties, but also has a wider impact.

One of the negative impacts of war is increasing food prices, draining government funds, and causing many detrimental impacts such as the establishment of refugee camps, post-traumatic stress disorder, destruction of the economic system, and radiation weapons. Given this situation, society should try to find alternative solutions by avoiding war so as not to cause wider negative impacts.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: AmoreJaz on April 05, 2024, 11:59:13 PM
War brings chaos and destruction and death. Like the OP noted, war alters the economic and social growth of both parties involved. Even when the war clearly brings forth a victor, the victor also suffers economic consequences from the war. I wouldn’t exactly say the effects is felt more on the world than in the countries actually fighting the war.

Obviously, the impact is felt in the surrounding regions and all over. Goods and services normally produced in that region and exported to various parts of the earth would be affected, drastically reduced or even stopped. Warring parties would have to conserve resources for their own citizens as the normal rate of the production of goods and services would have been reduced.

"No one wins a war" is a powerful reminder about the impact of war on both sides. Economic aspects on both camps are clearly influenced in this event. Whether you are the winner or the loser, both will suffer economic concerns within their jurisdiction. The aftermath is usually hard as the country seems to start from the scratch.

And the hard truth, it is the regular people who are mostly affected by this event. Like it or not, the civilians are the first ones to feel its impact because their living rely on their daily job. Lucky for those who can easily get out of their country, and find a place to temporarily stay away from chaos.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on April 08, 2024, 07:12:23 AM
Last summer, the Russian occupiers, in order to prevent the Ukrainian Armed Forces from recapturing their territories in the south of Ukraine and to prevent the upcoming expected offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, blew up one of the largest hydroelectric power stations in Europe - the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station. According to the assessment of the Ukrainian government and the UN, the amount of direct damage caused to the infrastructure and assets of Ukraine due to the destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station by the Russians is $2.79 billion, and the damage is more than $11 billion.

But the law of karma, although slowly, inexorably works.
The day before, on April 5, in the Russian city of Orsk, Orenburg region, a dam broke on the Ural River. Thousands of houses were caught in the flood zone, and several thousand local residents had to be evacuated. According to Russian media, more than 4 thousand houses and more than 10 thousand residents were in the flood zone. Directly in the city of Orsk, water flooded almost 2.5 thousand houses. About 4 thousand residents were evacuated from there.
https://zn.ua/amp/WORLD/bolshaja-voda-nastihla-rf-v-orske-prorvalo-dambu-uzhe-soobshchaetsja-o-pervykh-pohibshikh.html

Now the housing and communal services sector of Russia is on the verge of survival. This winter, residents of the Moscow region were forced to warm themselves outside by fires, since the heating did not work. Instead of improving life in Russia itself, they decided to direct hundreds of millions of dollars every day to exterminate Ukrainian citizens and destroy their homes.

The irretrievable losses of Russians in this war are already approaching half a million soldiers and officers. More than 20 thousand of their tanks and armored vehicles were destroyed. Ukraine destroyed about a third of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with its weapons. Now the war has moved onto the territory of Russia itself, where military installations and everything that helps Russia wage this war are being destroyed. First of all, this applies to oil refineries. Because of this, Russia has already lost more than ten percent of its capacity, and the price of gasoline on world markets is rising.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Marvelockg on April 09, 2024, 10:03:05 AM
There is so much to war than just killing and distructions of house and properties. It's always easy to start but when it will finally end is what only time will tell. Even after a full blown war has come down, the effect of the war continues for years and years to come. Even inter communal crisis doesn't just end after there is cease fire or reduction in the killing of individuals, hatred builds up and it takes almost a long time before the economy of the nations at war gets restored back to normal.

The properties that have been destroyed in the Russia and Ukraine war can't be fixed up five years after the war. Even with the intervention of international organisation, it will take time before the two nations recovers economically from the war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Zoomic on April 09, 2024, 08:50:55 PM
War brings chaos and destruction and death. Like the OP noted, war alters the economic and social growth of both parties involved. Even when the war clearly brings forth a victor, the victor also suffers economic consequences from the war. I wouldn’t exactly say the effects is felt more on the world than in the countries actually fighting the war.

Obviously, the impact is felt in the surrounding regions and all over. Goods and services normally produced in that region and exported to various parts of the earth would be affected, drastically reduced or even stopped. Warring parties would have to conserve resources for their own citizens as the normal rate of the production of goods and services would have been reduced.

"No one wins a war" is a powerful reminder about the impact of war on both sides. Economic aspects on both camps are clearly influenced in this event. Whether you are the winner or the loser, both will suffer economic concerns within their jurisdiction. The aftermath is usually hard as the country seems to start from the scratch.

And the hard truth, it is the regular people who are mostly affected by this event. Like it or not, the civilians are the first ones to feel its impact because their living rely on their daily job. Lucky for those who can easily get out of their country, and find a place to temporarily stay away from chaos.

You are right. Truly, no one wins a war. Even though agreements may be reached and fair conditions given after the war, it will take years to rebuild the economies of these affected countries into its old state and even better.  It is worrisome knowing that public funds which would have been useful in financing capital projects that would have brought about developments and better standards of living for the people, is being used to finance war. Economic restructuring in both countries will take years to achieve, social and political lives will be affected, and the citizens will have to endure for years till the countries are able to recover all that have been lost to some extent. War indeed alters Economic progression, therefore if any country should choose war over a peaceful settlement,  then they should be prepared to deal with life after the war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Reatim on April 10, 2024, 03:47:34 AM
In a practical context, the conflicts between Russia and Ukraine as well as Israel and Palestine show that wars have a number of costs in terms of military expenditure as well as negative consequences for socio-economic development over time. Apart from causing loss of life and destruction of human life and material culture, war also carries a heavy economic burden for the governments involved. Therefore, war does not only have a limited impact on the conflicting parties, but also has a wider impact.


I remember when the Russian and Ukrainian conflict first broke out, the prices of gas rose exponentially. We all know that if a country is a primary source of a specific commodity and they go into a war, other countries might not get the appropriate amount of commodities then the prices of those goods in other countries will increase which basically lead to other goods increasing.

Wars would play out domino effects that is why UN should do their best to stop or better yet prevent these wars from breaking out. A war in today’s time is much more destructive considering how connected everyone is now due to globalization.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: lixer on April 11, 2024, 07:08:03 AM
The emergence of war is has adverse effects for global peace;adverse global  economic effects including extreme poverty,unemployment,inflation,food shortages,deglobalization and unfavorable environmental factors.

For the global economy, fuel and food shortages caused by the war are exacerbating post-pandemic inflation that had already reached multi-decade highs in most of the world. War us a global threat and it reduces the world's economic progess to a zero level.
 War is affects our lives,there's withdrawal of economic and financial activities,leaving us with no choice to suffer insignificantly.

Wars leave deep traces in the country’s economy during and after the war, as well as social and physical consequences.Even after the war,it takes a lot time and effort for some countries and finally recover from the loss and decline in the global sectors.
Yeah, the effects are global even if there is only two countries who are fighting for each other. One cause would be is the sanctioning of one country involved in the war. It's funny or contradictory when they say that war gives/restores peace when in fact it can also cause more disturbances.

War affects progress but those who will go back to zero are only the countries who are totally destroyed. If the war is so severe, then yeah it will leave a deep trace but it makes us feel proud too once we stand up again. It makes us to feel stronger than ever, though It is still better if there will be no wars because not all are strong enough to withstand it.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Synchronice on April 11, 2024, 10:00:41 AM
War worsens life for average people, sometimes for rich people too but I think that nothing changes for elites and to my mind, war makes them even richer. Just think about what happens in Russia-Ukraine war, the USA send aids to Ukraine but somehow they can't find the traces of billions of dollars, they are lost. How is that possible? My answer is that someone got richer and that's why billions got somehow missed.
Now let's talk about the economic decline. Yes, it declines when big countries have a war because workforce is in war instead of in their daily jobs, the land becomes damaged via rocket and other attacks, it's getting harder, expensive and riskier for locals to live, to work, to farm. And on top of that when your countries (EU and the USA) spend billions of dollars as an aid, for sure there will be an economic problems and high inflation.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on May 24, 2024, 04:53:26 AM

I think your first part is very meaningful because you said that a nation doesn't want to be in war. That implies an important differentiation because often it is not the people who want the war, but the government for ideological reasons. I don't know how many Russian civilians really want the war in the Ukraine, but if I had to guess I think it is not that many. Losing your children while you don't even know or never understand what it was good for, that can't be in the interest of the civil population. So the "nation" usually doesn't want war, while the leading apparatus of that nation might force it go to war.

For Putin’s Russia, the war they started with Ukraine has now reached the scale of a struggle for its own survival. They initially hoped for a quick military operation within a few weeks, but in practice, Ukraine put up unexpectedly tough resistance and ruined all the Kremlin’s plans. Stopping aggression for Putin and his regime means the collapse of this regime and practically physical death for Putin himself. They cannot agree to this and we actually see a further escalation of hostilities.

On the other hand, for Ukraine it is also a struggle for its existence, because Russia wants to destroy Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation. Any attempts to freeze the conflict or establish an interim peace just to stop the war will lead to larger losses as Russia replaces its significant losses in manpower and equipment and begins a new phase of hostilities. Therefore, only victory of one of the parties is possible here. At the same time, a Russian victory will mean the beginning of an offensive by authoritarian states against weaker states around the world, because international agreements and laws will no longer be valid, and terror will begin throughout the world.

The Russians themselves could stop the war by overthrowing their aggressive government led by Putin. But over the two-year period of military operations against Ukraine, about 70 percent of the population consistently supports this war of aggression. Therefore, the only way out of this situation is the complete military and economic defeat of the Russian aggressor; there are no other options for establishing lasting peace in this region.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: pinggoki on May 24, 2024, 05:29:07 AM
War has always been associated with altered economic progression for citizens who then become victims of the harsh economic realities they will have to face as a result of crisis. But there are some people and companies that benefit and are not really affected whenever there is a crisis for instance, the manufacturers of guns and ammunitions, pharmaceutical supplies as well and relief materials are always in profit.
That will depend though, if your country is the one that's been directly affected by the war or the epicenter of a war then you're definitely going to see an alteration in your economy as resources are being diverted to the parts of the economy that will help in support of the war, natural resources mostly will be the most affected as need for oil, metals, and land is a big deal in a war, it's a really scary time to be in it but if you're like the country of USA where you're far from the ravages of war, your economy that manufactures weapons is definitely going to be benefiting a lot in those events, the money you'll be getting out of the countries that will buying weapons from you and the money that will trickle in and the R&D of your weapons will be getting to the highest numbers, it's definitely a two side of the coin situation, you either are on the economy that's struggling or getting all the prosperity out of this war.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Fortify on May 25, 2024, 11:01:40 AM
I see this that lets go to war means let us ulter the existence of certain economic progression. Apart from death of people both soldiers and the civilian, it take back the system backward from the party in the war but the effect is more on the people not in the fighting, the world at large. It is effect more on the world as it increase inflation and reduce the living of the people of the world if the countries have major contribution for the world economy.

The effect of war include rising inflation, extreme poverty, increasing food insecurity, deglobalization, and worsening environmental degradation. All the effect here are what we see in the Ukraine and Russia war, example is inflation that is affecting different country in their economy because products going out from Ukraine like wheat or corn leaving out there in small quantity and expensive. Russia is not supplying energy to Europe neighborhood and that slow access to production in the region there and causing life to be difficult.

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Russia is a major supplier of fossil fuels, especially to Europe. Disruptions to supplies of these commodities are driving up prices.

The degradation of environment is also there if war happen and this is major effect on agricultural produce leading into the food shortage and insecurities around that.

There are many negative effect of war but no profit and   rebalancing fiscal priorities could prove quite challenging even in advanced economies.  (https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/03/the-long-lasting-economic-shock-of-war)

War, at least in the modern era, is often being waged by sad old men who want to cling on to power - but maybe that has always been the case. Looking at Russia, Putin is trying to build his legacy right now as Russia has not progressed at all since he took power so many decades ago. However he will not succeed and has hobbled it further in his final years. It does have the most damaging effect on the direct warring parties, but as we see with this war on the edge of Europe - many things spiked in price near the start and supply chains were heavily disrupted, which caused prices to go up all over the world. The richest countries are affected for sure, but the poorest countries around the world often suffer even worse. The sooner these unnecessary wars end the better for all of us.


Title: Re: Going to war means let's ulter the economic progression
Post by: Argoo on May 27, 2024, 02:35:06 PM

War, at least in the modern era, is often being waged by sad old men who want to cling on to power - but maybe that has always been the case. Looking at Russia, Putin is trying to build his legacy right now as Russia has not progressed at all since he took power so many decades ago. However he will not succeed and has hobbled it further in his final years. It does have the most damaging effect on the direct warring parties, but as we see with this war on the edge of Europe - many things spiked in price near the start and supply chains were heavily disrupted, which caused prices to go up all over the world. The richest countries are affected for sure, but the poorest countries around the world often suffer even worse. The sooner these unnecessary wars end the better for all of us.
Do you want to say that Russia’s war on the territory of Ukraine is a war on the outskirts of Europe? Actually, in the Ukrainian Carpathians there is a sign that says that this is the geographical center of Europe.

Yes, Putin wanted to go down in history as the great collector of the lands of the former USSR and the creation on their basis of something similar to a new empire. But all his plans were disrupted by Ukraine, which offered strong resistance to Russian aggression. The bloodiest large-scale war since World War II is already in its third year. Putin has already been prepared for the role of the second bloodthirsty Hitler, who will be cursed not only in Europe and other civilized countries, but also over time in Russia itself, which he brought with his war to economic collapse and impoverishment, and possibly to its collapse.