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I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

I do not think moderator should move your announcement thread from gambling to altcoins board, but it is because no true bitcoin wallet is Web3. Web3 wallets like Metamawk, Trustwallet Coinbase wallet and many others are connecting to altcoins Web3. There is nothing about Web3 that is related to bitcoin.

Web2 are not bad either. I use many of them and they are good. But I wish moderator to have left Web3 gambling site official thread on gambling board too, but bitcoin not being Web3 would be the valid reason it was moved.

I agree with you that web3 casinos are potentially fairer than web2 casinos, with the consideration that they are open source and that fund handling is decentralized (as you claim in your thread). Though the reason your thread is moved to Altcoins is not because admins are against decentralization, it is because the forum is the Bitcoin forum...I don't agree with this personally because web2 casinos are sketchy at best these days, but that's just the rules. Unfortunately it is difficult to achieve the feet of a decentralized web3 game that accepts Bitcoin. If you do achieve that feet though, then you can gain exposure in this board.

Bitcoin was invented to get rid of middlemen. Web3 does exactly that. We are trying to save you from middlemen and make more reliable platforms. So basically we serve the purpose of bitcoin, but since we accept wbtc instead of bitcoin, it's really sad that we can't find a place in this forum. I think they should reconsider on this.

If you want to be under the gambling section properly without having the Moderators move your thread to the Altcoin section, then you have to include Bitcoin in your means of funding, which seems impossible since you are Web 3 projects, unless you want to go beyond that and then make it some kind of Dua something where the Bitcoin network will be integrated into your case. I don't know how, but maybe you can think outside the box, and maybe your developers can be the first to properly develop something that can allow direct connecting of Bitcoin wallets to an online casino site since it seems we don't actually have one that I know of.

The things that could actually make you stand out from your competitors are that you offer a better service than they do, have more transparency, be open, and have more quality features that can only be seen on your side of the casino.

Add Bitcoin as payment currency so that you can move back your ANN thread here in gambling section. This thread is dedicated for casino that accepting Bitcoin while your casino accepts altcoin only. But since your casino is pure decentralized using smart contract then I doubt that Bitcoin is possible on your current feature.


Do more marketing in the form of promotion and giveaways. You won’t onboard players with just the casino feature itself. Players always chase for the benefits since they think that it's a disadvantage against the casino.

As you can see, there are no much interest in your casino anymore and as a result of your unprofessional presentation and neglecting bitcoin as a payment option on you casino coupled with the fact that your casino is a web2 casino, the actions against your announcement thread here.  If you still want this thread to be relevant,  do well to work on accepting bitcoin as quick as possible and lastly, there is a bit of confusion on he announcement thread as regards your true stands on the scam allegations posted on your thread can you do ell to clarify it as it was said this casino is not related to it. I will need some clarification as regards that.

Because their reputation speaks up louder than those new casino offer web3 feature. This one is the important factor why people still gamble on web2 casino since they already prove that they can handle their business so well and they satisfy many gamblers who try their casino service. But if Web3 became more famous for sure those existing casino will also shift to web3 so I guess the only deciding factor for people to shift to other casino is if their existing one will not show any appealing promotion nor rather became active on changes like this.

The main thing is that the casino or other gambling services meet the requirements of honesty in the conditions. What difference does it make web2 or web3 if the casino has an open source and is accredited by programmers who see that the chances of winning are fair?
I think that such conditions are enough to safely play in an online casino.

Exactly, Web3 casino have a license to operate while they are just using a 3rd party provider for their games is audited and license too by gambling regulator. A pure decentralised casino is not in demand that much since centralized casino already move forward on the legality compared before that most casino do exit scam since they have nothing to lose because the owner is a complete anonymous.

Centralized casino is operating for so long without a problem or known serious scam accusations that doesn't solved. I doubt decentralized casino can beat that considering the games offered on web3 casino is very plain and simple.

They need to understand the reason why a professional expertise is needed in making their presentations for them and administering to the affairs of the casino, people no longer make use of web2 again as before, they have to maintain this new era of development by a steady financial commitment and running of their casino in a standard operational level, the more their delivery task the more opportunities place for them.


This is another reason to their being u professional enough because most standard casinos accept bitcoin, they may decided not to accept other cryptocurrencies but bitcoin is a must for acceptabilities despite if they have their own coin introduced.

Let us hope so until one day that regulators will come after anything Web3, in a way that they will force you to make KYC mandatory. Yet no middle man but not centralization.

Your topic was moved because gambling board is under bitcoin boards but Web3 is not related to bitcoin.

Some centralized crypto casinos are satisfying their customers. It is just like smart contract decentralized and centralised exchanges. If you are satisfying your customers, they will advice other people to join.

I think the answer is fairly simple: web3 casinos aren’t that polished just yet and web2 platforms simply work. If you can point out an example of a web3 casino that works flawlessly that doesn’t have any issues with law enforcement, then that would be great and we might as well try. That’s another reason why Web3 platforms aren’t as popular: they have potential issues with governments due to their nature that’s why people wouldn’t dare risk it.

You may be wrong in your conclusion of admin not liking decentralization because they move web3 casinos ANN to altcoin sectioned but between the whole idea of web3 is linked to altcoin and has even added centralization more than decentralization so this has nothing to do with decentralization being the reason for the movement of the thread to altcoin boards.

It's actually you're the one who need to reconsider to add Bitcoin if you want your thread stay in gambling section.

Any tokens in ETH or centralized chain is centralized, there's no such ETH is decentralized if you're not use a centralized site, it's just a less decentralized and there's a chance all the ETH or centralized chain token could be frozen even you hold it on your non custodial wallet.

A real decentralization need to use a decentralized coin, not just a free KYC site and without deposit.

Don't take it against the moderators they have rules for admins of the platforms to follow so we have to accept that decision that your platform is not for this board your platform is smart contract based and it follows that it should be on the altcoin section where all smart contract based platform is housed.

Just get your smart contract audited if you cannot add Bitcoin you can still establish your position in the altcoin section, there are gamblers who support Web3 and don't try to compete in centralized casinos both have their own share of the market and followers.

Of course, we are working on having a license. But what is the license for? It is to protect the user from central authorities. Getting licenses for DAOs isn't easy because contracts own the system. For example, AAVE is like a bank, but it does not have a bank license. There is a lot of uncertainty about DAOs. Hopefully, we'll be the first to figure this out. Here users have to trust the contracts. For the security of the codes, of course, it is necessary to have audits with highly reputable security companies. All of this has already been done. We are negotiating with various license providers on the other issue and we will definitely reach a conclusion.

Currently, games can be played with WBTC on the platform. It is not possible to integrate Bitcoin in a decentralized way. If we get into the deposit-and-play thing like everyone else, then we'll compromise on decentralization.

No, we don't take it against the moderators, we just want them to reconsider the rules. After all, this is a centralized forum and they can rethink these rules and make a new decision. We feel that these rules prevent us from competing with web2 casinos.

The audit processes of our contracts already have been completed. You can have a look at the link below.

https://docs.just.bet/justbet/developers/audit

No offense but what you feel doesn't matter in this case. You have been told by many already that your thread was moved due to the fact that you don't allow btc deposits. If you wish to be in this section, just make btc an option on your site. They're not censoring you or not allowing you to post, they're following the rules of the forum.

If they allow you to keep your thread in this section, then they have to allow everyone else. It's nothing against you.

You don't want to take it against the mods but you're saying they don't like decentralization hehe. Why do you also attack web 2 casinos by calling them unfair and fake? I doubt most players would even consider opening your site with that kind of approach to promote your own.

There are hybrid gambling platforms here that allows connecting personal wallet directly to the casino while also giving players the option to login via email. Maybe try to look at them and see if you could adapt.

although I also disagree with these government rules forcing casinos and people to have to do kyc, so as we have no choice we have to obey the laws and in that part how will your casino deal with kyc? it will be very complicated, the license issue will also be complicated, but your biggest problem is the fact that you don't have bitcoin as a deposit option in your casino so with that move you exclude those people who like to place bets only with bitcoin, so you come in this section where it is dedicated to bitcoin obviously you would have a problem

for you to be able to compete with other casinos you need to add bitcoin and old and more popular altcoins and you have to pay advertising so that your casino is widely known, then all you will need to do is have good customer service, bug free casino, be active in forum, these are things that are part of good marketing, but from what I can see it would not be easy for you to put bitcoin, so create publicity and tell people that your casino is intended for people who have altcoins and like to use them in casinos, if your casino has a lot of games then people will play there

Web3 casinos are still very much new to several gamblers, we could take a look at centralized and decentralized exchanges for example, as of today decentralized exchanges have become quite popular, but why hasnt every trader abandoned centralized exchanges for decentralized ones?
The answer is quite simple, going decentralized is pretty complicated for many, coupled with that you have to hold the coin that powers the chain you are transacting on, so as to be able to pay for transaction confirmations on the chain, in as much as this is a lame reason, it still can be a good reason why many have refused to completely abandon centralized exchanges - we can link this same scenario to web2 and web3 casinos - and to add, like I mentioned earlier, web3 casinos are still very new and yet to gain trust from gamblers, a web3 casino right now will need alot of marketing to make any wave.

And again, find a way to start accepting bitcoin deposit and withdrawals on your casino, and your ann won't be moved to altcoin board anymore.

Obviously we need to decentralize everything that we can. Especially things that have power over our money. Web2 casinos or exchanges are all the same. They carry the risk of taking your money away whenever they wish, for whatever reason. Some are older, more known and definitely more trustworthy. But the fact that we have to have a trust scale at all seems redundant. I would rather verify than trust. And replacing trusting with verifying is exactly what web3 is for.

Unfortunately, web3 is in its baby shoes and there are no truly decentralized casino platforms just yet. Sure, many claim to be web3 but thats mostly marketing some decentralized feature. That is why web2 casinos are just as likely to freeze your funds or reject your winnings as web3 casinos are. For now, anyway. We will achieve real decentralization of casinos at some point in the future.

Some draw a hard line between Bitcoin and the alternatives derived from the ideas of BTC origins but not directly related.  Hence a hard division between the two, I like innovation and all the possibilities but it does introduce possible complications that people maybe should be aware of as an added precaution.
  I followed your topic seems something interesting I should definitely know more about then I do currently.

The only thing you need is to do what you say you will do. There are casinos just like yours that will make a big promise but end up cheating there customers. That alone can spoil your reputation and make gamblers not to choose to use your casino and bet. Provide more games and increase bonuses because that will make more gamblers to want to bet since there are bonuses.

the way you are in the sizing on casino I don't think that there is no casino that does not have cheating on its way or principles because I know that casinos platform cheating is the way they make their own money so over I'm making all repeating the statement of a casino platforms cheating I don't think that is a very nice idea from my own understand that is why I continue to go through or what you post and continue to be quoting you to antagonize or to come against your posts.

Bitcoin is the first priority for every casino because it is a general commodity for all gamblers online. When it comes to funds mostly and commonly used by online gamblers, you think of bitcoin because bitcoin has been there onset from the very first beginning of online gambling and it has been there and would  still remain there and moreover, it is the first cryptocurrency to be acknowledged and accepted as a digital currency before the advent of other crypto currency so therefore, any new generational casino that is thinking of standing without including bitcoin as a means of payment is likely not going anywhere because nobody would look into their way to gamble with them. Justbet should know about this before they doom themselves.

it's not that the admins don't like decentralization, this board has a rule that a gambling site that is going to post an ANN thread here needs to accept BTC as a payment method in order for their thread to remain here. your gambling site isn't the only one that has been moved to the altcoin board for not accepting BTC as a payment method on their gambling site. one thing you can do if you want your thread to stay here is to accept BTC as a payment method.

consumer platforms have their own strategic ways they do use to make their own money so you cannot blame them or saying that they are cheating because you don't know what the bathroom and then kind of metal they use in anything that they do so I don't blend casino platforms

I agree that casinos should avoid big promises they didn't intend to keep just to attract gamblers. I don't believe that in essence casino's have intention to cheat because that will ruin them and their business sooner or later but sometimes they want quick profit and don't mind about fair and legit running of business. But any one of us has always keep in mind the nain reasons that casinos exist is profit in shortest period of time as possible.

I honestly I would not mind if the forum policies allowed web 3 casinos to be around here as well, but unfortunately this is Bitcoin-talk so Bitcoin needs to be within the topic in questions, whatever it is, otherwise it is moved to the alternative section.

I would not go as far as calling web2 or traditional casinos to be fake or unfair, it is just about having a different concept or market, which you would like to approach as a service provider, still getting a look at your ANN. I almost missed it if not for this thread, btw.

Agreed, even though this is in the gambling section of the forum but at least they also have the use of Bitcoin as one of their main values.

Web2 or traditional casinos are actually not a fake because they had experienced a period of success in their time.
Maybe now a web3 base appears and I believe web3 updates and development will be superior to web2 but for now there is still little trust in web3 so saying the old one is fake is also not fair in my opinion.

That's the next update we are working on it. Account Abstraction is the process of making it easier for users to interact with blockchain by customizing certain elements of smart contract accounts, from fee payment methods to transaction approval mechanisms.

with AA, they will be able to connect with their social accounts, will be able to play without paying fee etc. Step by step

I think a lot of these Web3 casinos are created for money laundering purposes and decentralization are used to make it difficult for the law enforcement agencies to shut them down. 

This is the current perception of people towards the Web3 casinos at the moment, because people seem to think that they are mostly scam sites. It is basically the same with all "new" technologies... and a stage that will pass over time. (Bitcoin went through the same thing, until people realized that it is used more for legit projects)

I don't care web2, web3 or anything you are called.

The main factor on gambling: Good platform, easy, can get my money in & out faster, have higher limit withdraw without KYC. Who care about web2/web3, we are gambler just want all these things.

So, even you said web2 is worse. Not for me.

I think that bitcoin is used for legal payments even to a much greater extent than regular fiat payments.  
Just from a practically scientific experiment, which at some stage of development was used by criminals and scammers, they made such an image of "dirty" money.  And everywhere this information was disseminated as part of opposition from competitors - classical banking structures.  According to banking structures, I think there are orders of magnitude more criminal money, both in cash and in non-cash form.  But the negative image of bitcoin has been successfully created and now, only after many years of challenging this false statement in the public space, will it be possible to neutralize it.  In any case, I do not hope for it.  

Probably the story with WEB 3 will also face the fact that the image of something illegal or even fraudulent will be created.  
But this, as in the case of bitcoin, will be fixed simply based on the experience of using WEB 3 by a large number of people.  Moreover, many of them will not encounter fraud at all and will simply use such a casino or other sites in the WEB 3 system without any problems.
This, of course, is a question that humanity will have to solve for decades.

What will make you win the decentralization is if you create a browser wallet for Bitcoin to connect to your Justbet and they may move back your thread to the right space.

Seeing that they already replied reasons why it was moved out of the Bitcoin board, there is nothting to add more to it. wBTC is not even considered BTC.

Unfortunately, Bitcoin doesn't support smart contracts so it is not possible at the moment.



Yeah, you're right about it. If we look at the feedback we received from the users, we understand that they like the UI/UX. Apart from that, we need more games to entertain the players and we are working on them. Also, there is no deposit/withdraw things in Web3 Casinos (https://app.just.bet/) as you're playing directly through your wallet.

Everyone loves decentralization more than centralization on this forum, including the admins, that's not the reason your ANN was moved to the altcoin section by the admins.

Web 2 or web 3 casinos makes no difference to me, every gambling platform that has good looking and fast dashboard is welcome by the people, if withdrawal is instant then your casino will attract even more people, but online gambling is all about how much gamblers can make, is they make less money to none on a web 3 casino do you think they will keep playing because it's web3? They will go back to the old Web2...

If the web 3 has less attractive offers and bonuses, gamblers will go back to the old web 2, this is why I said that it doesn't matter, for gamblers it's about the offers, bonuses and winning experience.

But not only for you that web2 is good. There are many web2 casinos which have good reputation and there are ones that are good too. As long as they are satisfying their customers, they will have good reputation.

All other coins like wBTC and many of them like that were created because of staking or yield farming or so, they are truly not bitcoin, they are all altcoins which are pegged with bitcoin price.

Though we cannot also derived the conclusion on every casino not in support of bitcoin from their platform as a fake one, everyone has their own policy and target but what we make sure to emphasize here is the need to let the fact that most casinos support bitcoin even if they don't accept other cryptocurrencies, and there decision on this begins with how we begin to have take on them wether they are reliable casino or scam, through the indications of what we receives as signals base on their policy and requirements needed on their website.

From their policies, we know how serious a casino is when it comes to customer relations and care. If the policy is too bend to not allowing a free flow between the customer and casino then there is likely a question mark there because there is no how a casino policy would be too bend to not allow customers have their own way about their activities onboard the casino. If that is the contrary is the case then that casino is likely what it is suspected to be and hence they would be called to order in cushioning their activities and policies for a friendly and better environment and interactions.

The moderators obviously have nothing personal with you or your platform, what they are doing is to keep the forum organized and keep every thread where it belongs, and since you said yourself that people can use wBTC (Wrapped Bitcoin) for gambling on your platform, that makes it an altcoin casino because wBTC is actually an altcoin and not the original Bitcoin.

So I don't see moderators being the bad guy here as they are doing their job, nor do I say that your platform is bad or anything, it is just that they did what should be done. For suggestions, I can't give any as I haven't used your platform yet, will do that once I'm done trying it out anytime soon.

Don't assume they don't like it, you don't know the admins and the administrator of this forum, they are the ones who started decentralization long before you knew a thing about decentralization so don't lecture them about decentralization, there are specific on every section of this forum.

As you can see the majority of casinos here are not smart contract based because they adopt Bitcoin while your platform is not promoting the use of Bitcoin so it's just right that you belong to the altcoin section where smart contract-based platforms are grouped.

No, need and I believe other people are the same.

It's most of the time 90% always about the bankroll or policy, people do not really care about WEB2/WEB3. Since your main title thread mentions these, so that's just my 2 cent. It's not first time we see these.

Nothing new in my perspective, in the end (web2 casino) still winning.

When Uniswap first came out, a few people were using it, but it is now trading for billions of dollars. Many perpetual DEXs have appeared, and they are seeing more trading volume than almost any centralized exchange. Time will tell.



However, there is only one gambling section on the forum. If there are some reasons not to let us use this board, then a separate board can be opened for casinos (https://app.just.bet/) like us and so we will have a chance to introduce our platforms to players.

True, also web3 don't have the trust of the community because most of them are accused of scamming and some are actually scamming their customers. Web3 isn't yet popular because the other existing popular crypto casino hasn't given us a reason not to trust them.

Web3 projects doesn't have a good reputation as they're always under attack by getting breach. The popular ones we had turned out not to be totally decentralized so people are doubting if the web 3 casino coming out are decentralized as they say they're

When decentralization fully takes over the internet and projects are built using trusted blockchain, making their web3 projects trustworthy, they'll begin to get customers making use of their casino but for now we still stick with web 2 that are giving us excellent service.

While I agree with you on some issues, I disagree on some issues. The point I agree with is that unfortunately there is no clear law regarding DAOs yet. Although this makes it difficult for us to obtain a license, we continue to work in this direction.

What I disagree with is the scam. With the exception of a few trusted web2 casinos, almost 95% can easily scam you and justify themselves. Not your keys, not your coin. However, blockchain casinos (https://app.just.bet/) will never fool you. In Web3 Casinos (https://app.just.bet/), no one can ban you, no one can watch you because you are making too much money, no one can take your money, etc. Even if Web3 Casinos (https://app.just.bet/) are hacked, users will not be harmed, only the bankroll will be damaged. Because the user does not deposit money anywhere. They play through their own wallet.

as I have said before, Gambling casinos that are going to post an ANN thread here need to accept BTC as one of their payment methods. you can make a thread in meta and request a gambling board for an altcoin casino but I doubt it will be approved, there have been threads posted in the past asking for a sub-board for altcoin gambling but it was never approved as there is not enough altcoin gambling being posted in the forum(compare to casinos that accept BTC) to warrant for an altcoin gambling board.

This would be a completely wrong decision.  And I think that it will still not work to open a separate gambling board only for altcoins, and the forum administrators will not agree to do this. 
In general, the section "Gambling" here on the forum is so large that it is impossible to open any other sections, for example, for altcoins, simply because this will only confuse the entire navigation system and information profiles on the forum. 
It is probably easier for the authors of this appeal to make it possible to pay for bets in their casino using bitcoin as one of the payment options. 
And then you can safely open a new topic here in this section. 
I don’t really understand what is the complexity of organizing payments in bitcoin when you already have experience working with other altcoins.  Unless only the speed of transactions and network commissions can be a brake on this action. 
But if the casino is serious enough, then for him it will still be an insignificant problem. 
And if the casino is quite small, then there is no need for it to open a topic on our forum.

I understand your point, and if you're really interested in discussing this topic, I recommend starting a new thread in the Meta board. It's possible that the administrators might consider your proposal if there's enough interest from the community.

However, you should keep in mind that this forum, bitcointalk.org, is primarily focused on Bitcoin and Bitcoin-related topics. In the Gambling board, the casinos promoted are expected to support Bitcoin at least as an option for withdrawing and depositing funds. From what I can see, your platform doesn't meet that requirement, which would place it under the Altcoins subforum instead.

If they accept BRC-20 tokens would that mean anything now considering it's on the Bitcoin network? Not that familiar on this yet but it's fairly simple that it's related to Bitcoin compare to those who erc20 tokens or other chains.

The reason is, that was the only board might be related on your thread and moved it on the right board by a moderator. You can actually introduce it to players by doing signatures, contests, be known whatever means it is as long as it's acceptable here. It can be introduced on other things here.

Moderator moved your ANN thread to altcoins board? Is your project an altcoin or a token? And if your project is not any of the above then moderator would not moved your ANN thread to altcoins board but probably to Service Announcement Board.


  Let me start from play stations. People are still using PS2 game station just because it is cheaper to the upgraded ones. Just the web2 and web3. People are still using web2 because probably it cheaper for them to play game so if you want to beat them you have to make some market survey from users and make some research from the net. And make your games in 4D/5D standard and let not your fees should not pursue your customers.

I understand that things can be seen that way here as you say and you are right , I would also say that gambling should have its scope in this space , gambling , this section does not accept altcoins, but it is for gambling , so they should Accept it , but if not because they don't have to bet with bitcoin , it's something that still can't be done , the question here is because they only have Altcoins to play, they are also the gifts of this section , but As others have told him , it would be good if you did or proposed that problem in Meta.

I'm sorry  your ANN thread got moved to the alt board but I don't think any moderator will so that without a valid reason and for reference  purposes,  I haven't seen any web3 projects  that actually uses bitcoin  but rather thistle I know of web3 simply shows that more of alt coins are  been used which is a clear reason why your thread got moved.

Web3 games are great but it isn't nice you think the forum or moderators don't like decentralization and I don't have much to say about your web3 games but just keep your head straight and try  using Bitcoin.

Unless web3 casino is on a fee-less blockchain, for example Hive (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434940.0), I'd stick to web2 casinos, even cents as fees can mount to a good amount of money when played long enough.

Web3 is new so most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. This is due to the heavy involvement of machine to machine communication and decision making that will be required to run many Web3 applications. web3 is nothing more than a rebranding effort for crypto, aiming to shake off some of the industry's cultural and political baggage and convince people that blockchains are the natural next step in computing. But web2 games are much easier to play. Even if there is a chance of losing, gamblers can recover very easily.

I understand your point. Fees may be a problem for players. Being on-chain requires a fee, but we will overcome this with Account Abstraction. Web2 users can log in with their social accounts and play games without paying a fee. We are working on it.

actually the concept of WEB3 is very attractive to the casino industry because it will allow the platform to run securely, transparently, anonymously, and many other advantages. but that's in theory, in practice we can't be sure that it runs 100% decentralized and transparent, like what the WEB3 concept offers, so I personally think that between Web2 and Web3 the platforms are the same in practice.

especially so far I'm using the Web2 casino platform and haven't found any problems, in fact their service is getting better by introducing some features that really help players, so there's no reason to switch to another platform, even when it offers such a Web3-like concept , because web2 also offers good games and continues to innovate to provide better services.

Why should anyone care about web2 or web3 casino when one won't increase your winning chances over the other? You heard me right, web3 will matter only if gamblers are going to win more than using web2, if that's not the case then this debate is officially over.

Web3 is new and that's why almost every thing online want to join the cruise and gain from it's momentum, I get it, but this needs to be carried out professionally, what are the benefits of using web3 gambling platforms? Gasless transactions? Higher numbers of offers and bonuses? New gambling experience on the fun aspect?

Leave the web3 side of thing out of this whole gambling idea, gamblers only want opportunities, I as a person, wants fun while losing some part of my money and having few numbers of wins, I don't think anything new can change the old experience of gambling, it's always the same.

Considering that BRC-20 tokens are built on the Bitcoin network, it can be reasonably assumed that a casino accepting such tokens would still fulfill the requirement of being connected to Bitcoin. Although, I am not sure how the moderators would look at this.



Well, I would disagree with this. Nowadays, the majority of web2 online casinos actually demand KYC (Know Your Customer) verification from their customers. This is mainly because they operate as licensed platforms and are obligated to comply with legal regulations. However, it's worth mentioning that the crypto gambling community, in general, is not particularly fond of KYC procedures. Consequently, if web3 casinos manage to provide a secure and trustworthy environment for players while also addressing the concerns surrounding privacy and KYC, they could potentially gain a significant advantage in attracting users.

Does the free development guarantee the smooth running of every transaction and also the comfort of the players there?
Actually, cost is not an obstacle if gamblers can get satisfying service, like my own example, I don't really care about costs if I can get service and satisfaction.
But I admit some people choose to look for lower fees even though there are delays or it takes a long time on each transaction.
It all depends on usage and how much money we use.

And that's why gamblers decide which casino they want to play at, whether web2, web3, or whatever. And if they win more often at one casino, they won't go anywhere and will stick around playing gambling there. But even though they also lose at the casino, maybe some of them stay there because they can get comfortable playing gambling. We must remember that gamblers also look for the convenience factor in playing gambling, which does not depend on the type of casino. And when we get comfortable, we will continue to play casino gambling.

I don't understand what you mean by AI playing an important role in Web3 when AI is actually not a very big part of it since web3 is mostly about blockchain, cryptocurrencies, and decentralization, while AI is more on the machine learning side and these two are not closely related, though I know that these two can be used together but Web3 can also stand alone.

I also don't think that there is any advantage for players on a web2 casino compared to a web3 one, both have games with a house edge and the house will still have the same amount of chances of winning against a player even in a web2 casino.

Well I am seeing statements lately of how gamblers are associating the use of AI technology in gambling duch as detecting bots or using it as an advantage in this industry. Web 3 simply opens a decentralized platform for players wherein they'd be the ones to benefit from their winnings alone, likewise with streamers on their contents. The only advantage by web 2 I guess is being centralized in a way that it promotes better security towards gambling platforms. But as OP have mentioned, fake web 2 casinos? no matter what web it is, then that won't be advisable.

Either web 2 or 3, as long as it fills your need as a gambler and as long as your funds would be safe from conflicts, then it would be good to go regardless of the web you are using.

I think it was the Web2 casinos are the ones who usually has a License but Web3's are like a Decentralized gambling site so License are sometimes unlikely here. I heard there are fake Web3's casinos out there but maybe they have a license too. That's fine I guess because having a License would mean that they are not a scam because if they are, they can't obtain a License at the first place and then they will be traced easily as I think it requires the team to be doxxed before they get their very own License.

Both Centralized and Decentralized casino has their own Pros and Cons. Some of us still prefers the Decentralized one because they stick on the vision of the original Cryptos which is to promote Decentralization.

I think he means the case of Web2 casino that is not paying players due to ToS issue or some games that rigged. Also your use of FOMO(Fear of Missing Out) is out of context here, perhaps the word you are looking for is FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt).

There’s really some web2 casino that unfair on customers and they can easily do this because they have the full control of the casino. I think he is just trying to emphasize here the main advantage of web3 decentralized casino.

any casino must not beat one another. They just need to be profitable, have enough funds to operate, and apply the system day in and day out. Well probably there is always a competition in any business however, if one wants to thrive, a business vision is already enough. Focusing on their competition will only make them and their operation go in circle as they are minding their competitors business.

As any business would do, customers often go back on a service for two things. It's availability and its speed. Integration of crypto and BTC as part of web3 is ideal. Fast transactions is always the best. Even web3 companies are often decentralized, as long as it is regulated by trusted members, it will do good in the long run. It's always longevity is the key of any business.

You are absolutely correct, for me though, I don't think I've seen a web3 casino I can completely trust the same way I atleast, trust on the web2 casino where I gamble, I understand that web3 casinos are trustless, but that can only be if there are no malicious code to hack and syphone funds from a user's wallet to the hackers wallet included in the smart contract.

All other coins like wBTC and many of them like that were created because of staking or yield farming or so, they are truly not bitcoin, they are all altcoins which are pegged with bitcoin price.
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And again, I completely agree with you, wBTC are not real Bitcoins, the same way the price of wBTC is pegged to the price of the original bitcoin, it could also be depegged and liquidity withdrawn, and those who hold wBTC thinking they hold bitcoin will just lose their money.

Yeah, that's probably it. I also noticed that the OP mentioned "fake" web2 casinos in the title. And you know what? He's not wrong. There are some downright scammy online casinos out there, and they're a real threat to us players. They rig the games, manipulate the odds, and do everything in their power to make sure we lose our money. However, although the concept of web3 casinos, which operate on blockchain technology, may seem promising in terms of transparency and security, it doesn't guarantee that all web3 casinos will be trustworthy or immune to scams. Just like with any other industry, there will always be bad actors looking to exploit vulnerabilities and deceive unsuspecting players. Maybe even more so in this case, because the vast majority of web3 casinos will operate on decentralized platforms and smart contracts, which can introduce a whole new set of risks and challenges. Decentralized exchanges (DEXs), for example, have faced issues such as smart contract vulnerabilities, hacking incidents, and scams. Just as we have seen in the case of DEXs and other decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs), the risks and challenges associated with web3 casinos can indeed be significant.

Read few of the responses and my guess is web2 casinos are the casinos exists right now? Deposit crypto or fiat to their platform, play and if you win then withdraw?
The problems with these type of casinos are
[1.] You need to trust the casino management/service that they are not manipulating games
[2.] You need to trust them that they are not holding your fund if you win big
[3.] You need to trust them with your information like KYC and things like that.

But almost all casinos take care of their own business first. Will we say WEB3 casinos can serve better on the above three points?

^All I know is that web2 is centralized and web3 is decentralized, which is that thought they have big differences.
By popularity and gaining the trust of the community is a way we can trust web2, plus another factor by having an active business here in our forum will bring them more trust than others. The reason could be people still love to use Web 2 casinos is the accessibility and user experience. Web2 casinos often have user-friendly interfaces and intuitive navigation, making them more accessible and convenient for casual users while Web3 casinos, on the other hand, may require additional technical knowledge or the use of specialized wallets and tools, which can be a barrier for some users, that was I see here.

Sorry, I just read your topic and want to tell you that your old topic's been moved to the altcoins board because, as a web3 casino, you don't accept bitcoin. Those are the rules and they apply to everyone. Don't take it personally.
I believe, you as part of this web3 casino, should enlighten us about what is the difference between web3 and web3 casinos, then we can argue which one of them is the best.
I'm asking this because most of us still don't know what a web3 casino is all about!

I just read your comment until page 3, and good, you have the best points I ever heard. And, Yes, agree with you, web3 development is good as the interpretation of blockchain development. But, whatever you explain and post, a forum rule is simple, if you don't have a Bitcoin, you are not on Gambling Board.

I don't know why you don't try development to make a Bitcoin deposit, you going here in the Bitcoin forum, of course, if you try to market it here, you must have a Bitcoin, just simple like that. And, if you force (don't have a Bitcoin) and still impose to market here, you are still welcome, the forum is open to anyone (altcoin), and the forum has tolerance, but you have to agree if mod put your thread on the altcoin service board.

Fake web 2.0 casinos? Seriously op? There are a couple of fake crappy ones for sure, but there are many popular web 2.0 sites which are great for gamblers though they do enforce KYC under certain conditions which is a bummer.

If BTC is somehow successfully integrated into web 3.0 platforms, many gamblers will definitely switch thanks to the decentralization aspect.

I think that the concept of web3 is still largely undefined and does not have a clear meaning. Yes, the underlying technology of web3, such as blockchain, is designed to be decentralized, but this does not mean that everything that is web3 is also decentralized. There is underlying technology and there are applications or platforms built on top of it. While the technology itself may be decentralized, the actual implementation and use of web3 applications can vary.

A web3 casino is probably the one that uses blockchain technology and cryptography for all its operations including betting and the outcome of the bets, etc. Someone should be able to use their decentralized wallets to connect and play at a web3 casino because they are decentralized by nature. A web2 casino is a decentralized casino just like we have right now, examples are Stake, Duelbits, TrustDice, and many more.

That is at least what we know so far about web3 platforms, but the technology is fairly new and there will surely be improvements and more features added in the future and we might see a lot of changes in it in the times to come.

Unfortunately I still don't understand the Web3 versions very clearly. I saw many scam sites ask to connect their wallet and later found that they crypto were stolen. So it feels me uncomfortable to connect wallet through an extension. For me it's better to risk $100 or $200 or $500, deposit it and play in a casino. If I win then good, if I lose then I forget it for few months then play again.  

Web 3.0 is not fully operational yet and there’s still a lot of things that needs to update.
So far Web 2.0 sites are still doing good especially if we are talking about the good gambling site here, when you say unfair its a broad description about the site and if you are experiencing problem with any site, then better to look for alternatives. OP’s site looks competitive too, better to go to the main thread and focus on that.

There is no question that your friend is right. The online gambling industry has a notorious reputation for sneaky practises that leave customers high and dry. The excitement surrounding web3 casinos is well-founded; simply picture a fairground where the casino can't cheat, and you'll get the picture.

Let's face it though. The transparency of the blockchain may mitigate some of the risk, but it is by no means foolproof. Don't forget about the potential of smart contracts. They're as perceptive as the creators' thoughts. We've seen how even a small error can unleash a flood of problems, allowing hackers to steal thousands.

Remember that there will be no one to run to for help when things become rough because of decentralisation. The burden of security for your possessions now falls squarely on your shoulders. We are on the cusp of an exciting new era, a frontier full of both promise and danger. Let's be alert, study hard, and proceed cautiously across these unexplored frontiers!

And this makes everyone want to believe that this web 3.0 concept is just a hype and buzz word that's being used mostly by different projects and even casinos.

People have been used to web 2.0 and it doesn't matter once the relationship of the casino and customers have been built already. Customers wouldn't go somewhere else if they're confident and happy with the one that they use whether the concept is 2.0 or 3.0 or any.

People are yet to really get familiar with web 3.0 at the moment, it's just like when bitcoin was newly launched, many who knew it then, didn't place much trust on it, some even wrote it off as one of those gabbage internet money developed only to grab money from unsuspecting victims.
Web 3.0 is indeed, a better version is the internet as it promotes decentralization and helps users to truly own their content on the internet, but like we all probably already know, people find it hard to easily give up what they have used for several years and have come to trust, but all the same, we are looking forward to when web 2.0 will be completely ditched for web 3.0, until then, projects building on web 3.0 should really exercise patience.

A web3 game layered upon a web2 internet foundation is still a web2 game no matter what they say. Unless a true paradigm shift in the internet technology is made, such that it will usher in the introduction of web3, we can't expect web3 casinos to even come around let alone be playable. Plus, all these things about being open source and better fund handling could easily be made with technologies available in the Web2 layer, this just makes Web3 look more like a gimmick more than something that is necessary and somethign that we are slowly transitioning towards. So no, as much as I want a more fair and more interactive casino introduced by web3, until we solve these issues we're going to have to stick with Web2 solutions.

Web2 Casino Advantages;

• More Games
• No technical knowledge needed
• You can print billions of dollars and giveaway
• You can let the influencers win high and advertise it

Web2 Casino Disadvantages;

• Anyone can ban you without reason
• Withdrawal issues
• KYC
• They can use your money(remember FTX)
• They can steal your money
• Not provably fair

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Web3 Casino (https://app.just.bet/) Advantages;

• No KYC
• Instant payouts
• Noone can ban your web3 wallet
• Noone can fool you with fake printed money and fake wins
• Provably fair through blockchain
• You can be the house and earn from casino profit

Web3 Casino Disadvantages;

• Less games
• Needs technical knowledge(using metamask, swap, bridge etc.)

anything I missed?

So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?

Both web2 and web3 casinos can be fair and unfair, but you have to pay attention to the reputation of a casino because reputation never lies. And if the web2 or web3 casino has a good reputation, they will not destroy their hard work but provide even better service. This is what differentiates it from other casinos where a casino's professionalism is well maintained. And what can really beat competition between casinos is how a casino can serve its members well because members only seek the satisfaction of playing gambling and the best service.

Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds.  KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market  There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitors

Not your keys not your coin

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Well, yeah, but I think there is still some exceptions around this rather popular phrase "not your keys, not your crypto", because this days, scammers have become so advanced that even with your keys in your pocket, your crypto can still be stolen by you simply connecting your wallet to a maliciously coded platform and doing some simple transactions, we all read the news few days ago of how users of atomic wallet lost their funds with out them even having to connect their wallet to any known site, and atomic wallet is one of the top non custodial wallet in the market, things like this happening will do nothing but discourage a lot people from shifting to web 3 platforms, atleast until it becomes much more advances than how it currently is, and possibly become bulletproof to hacks and phishing.

I am surprised how Justbet casino representative accuses others of being not provably fair. They are actually trying to convert web2 casino players into web3. I would love to hear more detailed info from them about the provably fair accusation. Why do they thing web2 casinos are not provably fair? Can you prove that the technology they use to verify bets is unfair? If so, why don't you guys expose them? If you can convince the players, all web2 players will turn into web3 players. But if you cannot. You cannot say they are not provably fair. However, what about wallet draining of web3 casinos?

Yes it is true, Not your keys not your coin. Everyone wants to keep their funds under their own control, but one of the risks is that when someone connects his personal wallet to a platform, he will not have the security of the funds in that wallet.  Because of this, a separate wallet has to be opened for gambling which is as troublesome as opening an account on a gambling site. But one advantage may be that KYC is not required here

I don't really agree with the disadvantages that you provided about web2 casinos, a trusted and reputable web2 casino will never ban their users without a reason nor will one have issues with withdrawals if they complete their KYC successfully. I also don't think that a good casino will steal your money or do anything with it as long as it is in your account and you haven't played and lost it.

And, the provably-fair system was first introduced by web2 casinos, so their games are also provably-fair unless the casino is new and not trusted in which case, not the whole web2 casino community is to be blamed because there are also casinos like Stake which you can take as an example.

How do we confirm that they are provably fair?

You're right, everyone of them is working towards their own development and none is preferred than the other because they all have were they are best being applicable as preferred by rhe gamblers, now we can see that it has to do with our own personal and individuals preference, both the two have their both applaudable aspect and the other side which is the lapse even though it's minuts, also i think there's more concentration on web 3 these days since it's more advanced than web 2

It's just for now many trust those web2 based casino since majority of them already accumulated a good reputation compare to those new which claims about that fhey are web3 based casino. In matter of time this web2 reputable casino will adopt the changes if web3 technology will became more successful. But for now the same with other who stays on web2 reputable I chosento gamble with them since reputation all matters than those words.

This is not the problem here. Justbet is a platform that should focus on developing and improving its website. Instead, they are asking some questions which trigger web2 casinos. They directly accuse web2 casinos, saying those web2 casinos are unfair. I am also surprised that no casino representative has defended it yet. Or maybe did? I did not see any comment from web2 casino representatives. Justbet did not submit any proof of their claims. I have asked some questions in my previous post in this thread. Their casino representative simply choose not to answer while they was expecting answers from forum members.

It is very true, I also believe that casino systems worldwide when it comes to Crypto options, what they trust the most is Provably Fair, even here in the forum it is Widely accepted and I think that if it makes a difference, I absolutely Personally, I think that many casinos that are Web2, or whatever, will always offer the same service, which is Fun, to make people play, that is what a casino is looking for , now that they do improper things is very Rare , however we have I've seen on the forum that there are casinos of casinos that wow do many things just to cheat , and that's the same way they're on file.

I can understand why the post above you said that because if I'm not mistaken he is the owner of web3 casino so of course he will try to convince that web3 casino is better but in reality it's like CEX and DEX on the exchange, many hate CEX but don't want to move to DEX, many consider casino web2 to be unfair but so far the development of casino web3 has not been able to compete with those that already existed, more than that players will also consider the number of games available at a casino, if it turns out that casino web2 has more games than which is still being developed of course players will stay with web2, and also web3 casinos can still commit fraud if they want, so it fully depends on their initial intentions when starting a business, so the assessment is very subjective.

I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.

That's true, they believe they have advanced and level up the system to allow you have full responsibility over your fund but on the real sense they have the full custody indirect, but what I've found also that's common to this kind of experience is when a gambler try to make some suspicious moves, they take that and hold against them by freezing thier account which is another attack coming from their own end before the gamblers unleashed theirs first on them once detected.

Why would any one want to play on a new "web3" casino that no one knows about when there are already "web2" casinos (by which I guess you mean the centralized crypto casinos?) that has very good reputation, has been doing well, rewarding their users, solving all their issues they face? Why would someone want to risk their funds in something very new? Yeah, the "web3" casinos might be decentralized, but there are still ways were the "decentralization" might be compromised by the developers. And regulatory issues also exists. Gambling in a centralized casino seems more reliable and better to me in terms of support, legal issues and other general stuffs.

Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say?

He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.

Why would anyone suggest to leave the web 2.0 casino when the web 3.0 casino are not yet fully functional or in a very limited in number.

This can be compared with the centralised and decentralize exchanges where the centralised exchanges have a lot of features but they are access through the username and password while the decentralize exchanges we have control over the funds but they have lot less features.

It may take time that the web 3.0 casinos will get more popularity.

The safety of funds will still be doubted by the users. Hacks reported that its when they connected to a web3 application that their funds started disappearing. The developers could argue their platform is safe and so it's tit for tat but then it's again going to be a reputation building for companies such as casinos.  Popularity and Funds assurance, this is where they are going to compete even when funds are in the user's own wallet. 

People will leave web2.0 for web3 if the advantages are very big but I don't see that happening, web 3 in the gambling/casino space has no difference from Web 2.0, now I even believe that the whole web3.0 idea is nonsense, something that's not fully functioning yet and most importantly, casinos are the last things that need or craves for web 3.0 the most because they don't need it, gamblers are happy with web 2.0 and I am still using web 2.0 crypto wallets and other.

If online casinos needs a better web it would at least introduce something worth switching for, right now, gamblers have no reasons to switch even if a casino is made of web 3.0, it's not needed.

A latecomer to this thread but other than being in agreement with ONasty on that not everything necessarily has to be decentralized -- I personally like gambling with a trusted entity, someone I trust can do the hard work required to create markets, to settle sports bets fairly (as opposed to objectively as a true smart contract might), even to enjoy some goodwill as I typically do at my favourite sportsbooks. Even to enjoy camaraderie between non-anon freaks.

That all said, a lot of people claim Web3 just the way people claimed decentralised a few years ago.

But they really only mean non-custodial, right OP? Wrapped BTC? Hosted (not distributed nodes) server. Single source developer? Non-diverse oracles for markets?

Aren't those all supposed to be the opposite of Web3 prerequisites? How many 'Web3' projects have all these?

You think it's because of the decentralized nature pf web3 casino is the reason why the thread was moved to the altcoin section? If you have such beliefs then you are still far from understanding how posting in the forum works because web3 is pour altcoin oriented and as that its discussions belong to the altcoin section,  since it's unrelated to Bitcoin so admin is right for moving all web3 casino ANN fo altcoin section because that is where it belongs and not here in the main gambling board.

a lot of these casinos claiming to be practicing web 3.0 are really not web 3.0. as you said, they are more on non-custodial type thing but if you look at other facets, they are not exercising the web 3.0 features like total decentralisation.
and the data - i guess most of them are still owned by these owners not across users, which should be the case. somehow, the owners of these casinos still have control on the data they are actually receiving from their players.

maybe they're just capitalizing on the hype that web 3.0 brought over. several crypto projects also take advantage of it to attract incoming investment.
New casinos offer what is currently popular in the market. and when they offer good programs and bonuses, of course it attracts attention from new users.
it may indeed require more in-depth research to find out how such casinos work. if no victim has complained yet, it probably won't be a concern for many people.

It is the same as always, how many altcoins are out there which claim to be decentralized and when you really dig into them you find out that the coin is completely centralized?

This is just the same, when scammers realized that the idea of a decentralized casino was getting popular they immediately created their platform and claimed to be decentralized, and unfortunately there are many newbies out there that will believe them without making their due research, and most likely this will suffer heavy consequences because of it.

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

Web3 casinos will still be supervised by the government so that if many gamblers, big or small, visit the casino, the government can ask the casino to implement verification for all of its members. This is possible because the government doesn't want to pass up the opportunity to get more tax from the gambling industry.

I guess people are also still using web2, but they know the casino they want, and it's not a scam casino. Those who use these casinos have done a good search to find the right one.

It seems blessed because Web3 will transform the Internet as we know it, upsetting the traditional gatekeepers and ushering in a new digital economy without intermediaries. This will make it easier for gamblers to play because most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. Currently, with blockchain technology, the gambling industry will grow even bigger with no government regulation.

Web3 casino claim to be fully decentralized and even though that is not what is sustainable in the long run and it has created a lot of misconceptions around the gambling community and this is something we should take a closer look at to settle within our self whether or not we should trust the web3 development since there have been many negativity around web3 casino with a lot of unsolved issues.

Then so why then do we need a web3 casino when we have casinos like Stake and the rest reputable casino that offer almost everything the web3 promises?

This is what I'm thinking. I'm sure that government will find a way to tax gambler or worst completely ban the things that they cannot control such as decentralized casino. If somehow web3 casinos become a norm in the future and web2 casino is already losing it's traction, Government will surely implement things that they will gain something from knowing that the tax money they are getting from casino is getting smaller and smaller. I know we are heading to web3 but government makes me worries about the possible implementation that they can do to overall web3. It might be a revolution that we come to the point that government can't do anything to web3 platforms.

I don't really see any significant success for the web3 platforms so far, we don't even have much in the industry for the time being, even if there are, most people don't use them due to trust issues because they require you to connect your wallet with the website in order to be able to gamble which can be risky if the website isn't trusted and all your assets are kept in that wallet, that's why these platforms aren't getting enough fame for now.

There might be a time in future when these web3 platforms will become popular and might even cross web2 platforms in popularity and revenue generating, but for the time being, web2 casinos are ruling the online gambling industry and there are no signs of them going down.

Let there be fun and people won't care where or which web the game is running on, I could decide to get rid of my PC for a PlayStation 5 to enjoy the games that are only available for PlayStation because they are more fun, if web 2.0 casino games are addictive enough, what else more do gamblers need? Will web 3 erase losses when gambling? Will web 3 introduce a way that gamblers can reduce losses? Who cares about all these? If I can gamble on a casino that gives me what I want I won't care if it's Web 1.2.3, it doesn't matter to me, the fun and experience is all I yearn for.

The issue of connecting one's wallet to use such platforms is truly a major issue with comes to trust, because most of people have used and continue to use software wallets which are easier to mess with remotely, to steal funds and invade the privacy of the users.

I think that if the industry of the hardware wallets was more widespread, it could be translated on more people not having to trust the  web3 casino, because it would not be a feasible way for a shady or scam casino to seize the private keys. They could partake in gambling without worries.

Yes web 2 or 3 no matter gambling requires high skill and prediction ability. But one thing should always be kept in mind that gambling should always be taken as fun and gambling should be done with a cool head. web 3 casino never guarantees profit to any gambler so why can anyone call web2 casino a scam? None can be called risk free because gambling is not gambling without financial risk.

Prior to replying on this post, I have no clue about the difference between a web 2 vs a web 3 casino. Upon doing some searches, I stumbled upon this definition provided by Google, which is as follows:

The main difference between Web 2.0 and Web3
Whereas Web 2.0 is based on centralisation and control of a few institutions, Web3 promises a virtual landscape based on decentralisation and peer-to-peer transactions, mainly facilitated through the integration of blockchain technology.¹

This is very interesting- it implies that web 2 casinos have ownership over the game assets; whereas web 3 casinos, it is centralized and players have ownership over the game assets. I agree, players should definitely avoid web 2 casinos even if they may provide higher bonuses and rewards. The fact that the players have no ownership means that the game operators have full control and disposal over its assets.

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I would not call either of the two casinos a scam, I have all seen that they talk about web3, some do not know that it is a web3 casino, they can only be repeating what others say, but the profits of a web 3 casino are not possible then? I think that in every casino everything is possible, there is nothing that can avoid it, the only way is for the casino to capitalize with the money of the players and that is an uncommon and very risky practice, they are never successful in that when they do it, so I wouldn't call it that, I think that each casino has its rules , its rules, and there are Always winners and Losers.

The trouble with attacking people with rubbish accusations is, you don't win anyone over to your side of thinking and actively make people opposed to your idea. If this is how you treat strangers then I would never want to be a customer or user of your services in the first place, nevermind your decentralized claim. You seem unbalanced which could lead to all sorts of other problems down the line. It is irrational to claim "web2" casino's are fake when people are using them consistently for years, if not decades. You really need to rethink your marketing strategy as it is a total failure.

You've touched on vital concerns - user trust and digital asset security - major hurdles for such platforms' broad acceptance.

The nascent blockchain tech underlying Web3 platforms adds to the trust challenge, as its understanding is not widespread. Also, the necessity for users to link their digital wallets to Web3 gambling platforms introduces potential security threats

Yet, these challenges are not intractable. Recall the early internet years; skepticism and initial reluctance often pave the way to acceptance as technology advances and benefits become clear. So, while Web2 platforms rule now, we can't dismiss a future shift as Web3 matures

High skills is mandatory when you are playing some strategy based games so your experience will matter in that one but if we talk about general gambling like slots whether high RTP or low we need to be lucky to win that particular bet otherwise the outcome is loss only.But people are just taking this with Web 3  casinos but in general it's still the same and you need to play with your funds and be safe to choose the reputable casinos only as with new trends many scammers also want to take it as opportunity to find new victims.

It's not about web 2.0 or web3, for me the most important thing is that the provider is trusted, the deposit and withdrawal process doesn't take long, customer support available every need, game, uptime its more importan for me. Web3 might be considered better in terms of transaction speed, however, i think all providers have rules such as minimal confirmation for deposits, and the withdrawal process may not be done instantly, even though in fact it already supports web3.

web3 casino only helps a gambler to avoid hassles in accessing the site dashboard. But web3 casino never guarantees profit to anyone and does not guarantee win. So don't see any reason to fuss over it. Web2 site is more secure in many cases as it requires a user to sign up instead of directly connecting a wallet like web3 site so no additional funds are at risked here. Gambling is a fun place where only entertainment is wise. Here web2 or web3 casino doesn't matter

The government can find a way to tax all businesses because the government can look for loopholes that the government can exploit. And if things change in the future, the government can also find a way to get its taxes in both gambling and other businesses. The government can also tax web3 casinos because the government can easily pressure web3 casino owners to follow its rules. And the tax money earned will use to improve the economy. Well, let's just hope that the government people don't corrupt the tax money.

I also think that the tax authorities will find an effective way to tax any casino and web3 casinos too.  Whenever a specific person or group of people who organized a casino and run this business is known, you can find ways to tax them.  But the problematic issue is not just how to collect such taxes, but how the money collected from taxpayers would be effectively used by the government.  And this is where I think there is a problem.  And yet such money is most likely used inefficiently, and in many countries it is also partially simply stolen by corrupt officials.  By the way, web3 casinos can be used for some interesting options for reducing taxes from such a casino and at the same time with the participation of just such corrupt tax officials and other officials. 
I believe that this is what officials in some not very developed jurisdictions will do.

I also think like that because I still often read news reports that corrupt officials corrupt the tax money paid to the state. That makes it inefficient because taxpayers have followed government regulations but it turns out that corrupt officials are corrupting their money. The government must eradicate this and can provide severe punishment to these corrupt officials.

If the money from the taxes can be put to good use by the government, surely the situation in that country can be more advanced because the money from the taxes is very large and can help the economy. But I don't really think about playing at web2 or web3 casinos because we have to know which casinos can provide comfort in playing gambling and these casinos must have good service for their members.

Besides that, who would want to use fake web2, no one with a normal mind would want that, right? I myself would not want to use such a stranger.


I agree with what you said that there is absolutely no guarantee that web3 or web2 will be provided to gamblers in any casino gambling here in the crypto space. All we can really do as players is enjoy gambling, that's all.

They just hype web3 to be good but actually it really doesn't matter at all. Because the gameplay is the same and there's actually no big changes at all with this called upgrades. Casino players will always care about the fun and how trusted the casino is, maybe they will look for another technology introduce but this is actually not the main concern of everyone.

There are basically no deposits and withdrawals in web3 casinos because everything is done on-chain, you connect your wallet with the casino and use your wallet balance directly to place bets, if you win, winnings are added to your wallet balance and if you lose, the bet amount is deducted from your wallet balance, that is how a true web3 or decentralized casino platform should and would operate if a platform doesn't work like that, it isn't web3 at all.

You are right that most people prefer going to casinos where they feel comfortable and safe with everything including their balance, customer support, the games they play, and anything that is important for someone as a gambler, and web2 casinos have been around for quite some time now, so they are trusted as well.

That's probably right, I think they could be way better off if they had gone to promoting their service without having to do this and calling web2 or centralized casinos fake or having disadvantages and stuff, we all know how the industry is or has been, web3 platforms are too new for us but we have been using centralized exchanges for years now, we would obviously not like it if someone comes accusing them only so that we use their services.

I've actually seen a lot of people and companies doing this thing and I don't understand why they think this can be an effective marketing strategy when it's actually not, it's so dumb to think that they will get the customers of another company by accusing them and praising themselves.

Some web3 casinos can be untrustworthy as well. OP claims that Web 2 casinos are unfair and Web 3 casinos are fair. I've repeatedly asked to back his claims by submitting any proof they might have. They decided to ignore my questions, and this thread is still up for a new discussion. we often see scam accusations that some fake website drained Metamask wallet or another wallet once they connected with some website.

There is no guarantee that web3 casinos won't do that if they have something bad in their mind. Once we deposit some amount on a web2 casino, we cannot lose more than what we deposited. But a web3 casino can drain your wallet that you connected to their website.

We may not like it but it is quite likely that a promotion like that can very effective, just look at what happens with politicians during an election, in which they make all kind of claims as long as they think they can get an edge over their political rivals.

And very often if there is at least some truth to it then they will win a lot of votes and increase their chances of winning their election, so it is not surprising now we are seeing casinos engaging in the same kind of negative campaign against its competitors.

Arbitrum network on which just.bet runs on is a fast blockchain, you can make your transactions nearly instant by going 'aggressive' setting in metamask. Despite this, I wouldn't use this casino because even the cents as gas fees add up and become good amount one day.

Any web3 casino where you are required to pay gas fee is useless imo. However, web3 casino on fee-less blockchain is better than web2 casinos due to security it would provide to your funds but here or any other platform which requires gas fee for each task to perform, it's not so.

Well, whether it is web 2 or web 3 is not the thing, what really matters is that the casino is honest and advanced, that it has new functions that adapt to all types of players, not just specific ones, I have Given that many people support web3 casinos, which I do not see as much relevance, I think that a person who plays should be respected that they have their money in the casino and that they do not put any type of inconvenience when they go to make withdrawals, that they can have their money easily, this is how the efficiency of a casino is measured , which can be seen clearly well.

Many times I have Seen that some highlight the network under which a casino can be the best , the speed, the Security , I don't know if they remember it, but when the NFT games were in full swing they said that the metaverses would Soon Come , and the best network for these was Polygon, because the binance network was very congested, the network rates had increased enormously and yes, it was very true, at the last they were accepting minimum deposits of 100 usd so that they could be carried out with total comfort , but the Players no longer wanted the Binance network, and of Course it was Because of the Prices , that was Something that was always going to be Evidenced.

I also think that web2 or web3 does not matter. As long as they provide fair games and fair technology with instant deposits and withdrawals, I choose the platform to gamble (even though I am not a regular gambler). My point was this it is not the right marketing strategy to blame another type of casino for getting attention and turning their players into your players.

Web3 platform has a long way to go. Most of the web3 casinos do not have enough variety of games that can attract players to them. Yet they blame other platforms for not being fair while they choose to ignore providing any kind of evidence.

It definitely matters. If web3 is done right, the mechanisms that provide provably fair games is open source, and the funds available for deposits and withdrawals should be viewable at all times due to being operated by smart contract, which also removes chances of embezzlement and fraud.

I will agree that there is still progression to be made to make web3 standard across the board, as well as it being possible for Bitcoin and other coins. That doesn't mean that there is no difference between web2 & web3 though.

But what if the web3 casino is also required to do KYC, as is already the case with the web2 casino? Do you still choose that casino to gamble? What concerns us here is KYC which has begun to be enforced in web2 and web3 casinos so that many crypto gamblers think that now they are restricted to gambling with crypto anonymously.

But I think that the web3 casino still needs further development to get to the liking of the gambling industry, and it will also take time to get there. And if web3 casino manages to develop it according to gambling industry standards, I think web3 casino can compete with web2 casino. And as long as web3 casinos don't require their users to do KYC, I suspect gamblers will move to web3 casinos, especially when web2 casinos already implement KYC more strictly than now.

If web3 casinos also get a license and integrate 3rd party games, they may also ask for KYC. Some providers need information about players when they see suspicious activity on their game, they may ask for a KYC and web3 casinos will be forced to ask for KYC from players. I did not play in web3 casinos yet because I don't think there is any reliable web3 casino developed yet.

Moreover, I am afraid of connecting my wallet to any website. This is another reason I also don't use new unnamed Decentralized exchanges. If any web3 casino can build their reputation and their name in the future, I won't mind playing there.

On one hand, we have the 'traditional' digital gambling platforms that have gradually adopted stricter KYC protocols. On the other, we have the emerging decentralized casinos, their appeal being the promise of pseudonymity. However, this too is threatened by the implementation of KYC. Is it possible that we might be chasing an illusion? The notion of unrestricted, anonymous gambling might be a tempting concept, but isn't it fundamentally at odds with the regulatory nature of our societies? The growth of Web3 casinos might well be inevitable, but a key point to remember is this: the protocols and regulations of a system are not just a feature of the technology, they reflect the wider socio-political context in which the technology operates. If Web3 casinos are to operate within the framework of existing laws, KYC seems an unavoidable reality.

I think you can create a new wallet that you specifically use for gambling and don't have your saved coins, so you don't have to worry if your coins are hacked later. I usually do that if I want to connect to a website that can use the connection from my personal wallet, I have had no problems so far. But it's okay if you are afraid to connect to such websites, and I agree not to risk it.

Web3 casinos that do not require KYC on their customers may apply if there is pressure from regulators to require their users to verify their gambling accounts. And it has happened to web2 casinos where many crypto gamblers use big money to gamble. Hopefully, these casinos, be they web2 or web3 casinos, will not be too strict regarding KYC so that we can still play gambling comfortably without verifying our gambling account.

We have to pay attention to that and look for casinos that still allow us to gamble anonymously so we don't have to worry about KYC. One of the steps we can take is to limit the amount of money we can gamble and not even big money because that could raise suspicions for the casino to look into it. Anonymous gambling may not exist in the future, although there may still be some casinos that do not want to comply with the regulations of the regulator. We know that the regulator can act easily to ask the casinos to apply KYC to their members.

It's not hard to create another wallet for this purpose only. But, Maintaining a couple of wallets and sending money from one to another every time I play is a waste of time, to be honest. But it could pay off if I get something special from web3 casinos. I asked myself what I would get from web3 casinos? There are not too many platforms available yet. I am unable to choose which one is the best.

I haven't seen any web3 casinos with 3rd party games and with a license. So, it's unlikely that they may ask for a KYC without having 3rd party games and a gambling license. I've checked justbet and there are TOS, Privacy policy or anything related to these info. They don't have 3rd party games and they don't have a Live support to contact if you encounter any issues. So, why I would try them?

It's just one of the solutions that you can use to avoid fraud or bad things so that you will be calm when connecting your personal wallet to the web3 casino. But if you think it's a waste of time, you can still play at web2 or web3 casinos using your usual login email and password. Indeed, there are not many platforms available yet, but maybe there will be more platforms in the future where web2 casinos will tighten the rules so that gamblers want to avoid verifying their identity.

Right now both forces, centralization and decentralization, are fighting each other, governments are pushing for a massive amount of centralization, and as a response to such a push decentralized options have appeared.

However even if there is little doubt the forces of centralization are stronger, at the same time it is not as if governments can completely subdue this market, and if given enough time then we may get to the point in which the decentralized options we have available will increase, allowing us once again to those which value our privacy to retain it.

Whatever casinos use web2 and web3, even though it has to be decentralized, I'm sure to prevent fraud and cheating by players in taking advantage of promotions, especially bonuses at casinos, namely by asking their users for KYC, web3 also doesn't encourage people to play independently without strict regulations, let alone free from KYC. everything will look the same the rules will not change.

I believe in the future that there will be many web3 casinos too but that does not mean that they are free from KYC regulations as well because that is to prevent other criminal acts including money laundering, I have never differentiated between the two because they are the same technology that we admit too, I have also been worried about connecting the wallet to an untrusted website, but I use another solution, which is to use a backup wallet to connect to the web3 casino and if I get money from the backup wallet then I will send money to my personal main wallet.

Even though they use the same technology, look at the title written by the justbet casino representative. They claim that web2 casinos are fake and unfair, while they claim that web3 casinos are better than them. I also think there will be more web3 casinos in the future. New platforms will learn from old casino mistakes. We might see more improved platforms in the future.

I believe this thread is part of their marketing strategy. They want bitcoin talk users to talk about their platform. No matter if it's positive or negative. They will get some traffic from this topic. But, i don't think such marketing strategies are good for business.

First of all, we need to realize that Web 2 casinos are not fake. They have been in existence for decades and even now they are more popular than the Web 3.0 casino. The fake ones are only those who are Web 2.0 casinos but they market themselves as Web 3.0 casino. These casinos should be avoided because if you speak the wrong things in your marketing campaign, that business can't be trusted for honesty and transparency.

Other than this, Web 2.0 casinos are fine and good to play and let the Web 3.0 casino market gets mature.

Yeah, those are fake casinos that claim they are web3 platforms, but in reality, they are not. The question is how an average Joe will know that a specific casino is not using web3 technology? I don't know much about the web3 platform because I have rarely used any web3 platform so far. If a casino try to scam, they can do it no matter if it's web2 or web3.

Web2 casinos on the market for a long time now. Yes, there are some scam casinos around. You have to stay away from them. That does not mean all web2 casinos are scams. Beware of phishing too.

Companies have always smeared their rivals. Justbet's representative's assertion that all web2 casinos are "fake and unfair" is ridiculous. Web2 casinos, like web3, differ in fairness, transparency, and user experience. Blockchain's openness might make web3 casinos the next big thing. claiming they'll be better is like claiming books are better than movies - its subjective and depends on implementation. Its possible this topic is a marketing gimmick. You're right: stirring the pot can draw traffic regardless of the conversation's tone. Its another matter whether its good for business. Isnt all publicity good? Is it?

Aren't there terms like positive publicity and negative publicity? Publicity that is positive should be good for a business where people use their money but negative publicity can go wrong with such businesses because they might catch the attention of the audience but the audience will not really prefer them for their services because they know how negative they have been, and this is exactly what's happening here, calling your rivals bad only so that you look good.

Web2 casinos will never be affected by this because they have already created their place within the gambling community and people know that they are not fake since they've been using them for years, web3 is a very new concept and it will take time for it to take it's place within the industry.

Web3 is basically the integration of blockchain and cryptocurrency systems to any platforms brother. Casinos which built from a project of cryptocurrencies are mostly web3 in which those have their own coins or token to play in exchange for Fiat. For Web2, you can say that these are traditionally made within the scope of its transactions.

Realistically, with new popping websites, regardless if it is web2 or web3 based, it's very difficult to determine which one is a fraud, and which one is reliable. Most need intensive research.

I would add that the biggest difference between searching for information to know whether a casino is a shady one or a scam, is the fact that the so called web-2 casinos (traditional ones) have access to centralized registrations with the government and other politici authorities. There is some kind of regulation which could provide confidence to gamblers.

On the other hand, the so called web-3 casinos still lack of any kind of certification, beyond providing the source code of their service, and yet not everyone can read it to verify the integrity of the service.

In order to verify a tradicional casino, it only takes a couple of hours at most, with Web3 one needs to have more knowledge on coding or trust someone who does.

It seems to me web3 casinos and their supporters are trying to make them out to be something they are not, they are trying to appear as if they are the only good casinos out there by trying to defame other casinos by saying they are not to be trusted.

But this is a lie, whether a casino can be trusted or not depends on how high is reputation they have obtained until that point on time and how willing is the casino to try to keep that reputation, anything else is secondary, including whether the casino is fully decentralized or not.

Well, I think we all want to play in casinos, it doesn't matter if they are web 2, web 3, the important thing is to have a good experience, because I personally like to play and that I can have the freedom. doing what I like the most, withdrawing, depositing, all this is under a great responsibility as it is to play with Intelligence.

Web3 casinos do have something that can benefit players because I think that's the only way players would leave land-based casinos and go away because everyone is going to make money, I don't think they just go there for fun, fun is a complement, but we all know that when we enter a casino our greatest illusion is to win, having a good time is something that we give ourselves when we win, but in general terms it is a game that lends itself to adult fun, because you have to be responsible when spending the money that is budgeted for the casino, without danger of falling into addictions.

As I said before, there are many people who don't really know what a web3 casino is, and they expect a lot from them, but what really matters is that the casino is reliable, honest, and that they actually do things well so that People win or lose, be fair, that's all.

What I have said, the things that occur with web 3 casinos or something like that are always another way of seeing things, the Traditional casinos are the ones that I trust the most, I don't see any other way to trust more, I have not seen the web3 casinos seen a lot of relevance , just the fact that it is called a web 3 casino is what draws players attention , and I am very sure that many do not even know what a web 3 casino means , taking these things into consideration it is normal that things can be go another way , or who want to see it as the Ultimate or as Something that can be above web2 casinos , or Traditional casinos.

For many Players , it is necessary to clarify that they should be very careful , it is not Known that there are casinos that are eb23 there and they fall for nothing and cheat , scam , that is the care that must be taken.

very well-said. if the regular crypto casinos like stake is not to be trusted, then they won't get high number of players who are as well high rollers. these seemingly web 3 casinos should just accept the competition in this market. and a lot of gamblers are still opting for regular crypto casinos where they can see the gambling license at a glance and can easily reach out the customer service. and besides, most casinos claiming to be web 3.0 are not really web 3.0 but as they are not totally decentralised in nature.

Till now I don't understand what a web3 casino means!
What's the difference between a web3, as you say, and a web 3 casino?
The only difference that I have noticed that on a web3 casino you can register with your web3 wallet. What are the other differences? Can any one explain to us what is a web3 casino? From there, we can discuss why we prefer web3 or web2 casinos.

Web3-based casino sites cannot if they have to compete with ordinary crypto casinos in general because from time to time since the emergence of web3 there have been some problems regarding the regulations and also how they work, although not all web3 casinos have problems but in reality most gamblers still don't trust for web casino3.
Some web3 casinos can't even provide services like they should be on the web3 base, so it's only natural that gamblers still have doubts about playing there.
Decentralized is just a phrase that they include when promoting, but in fact, when we research in detail, decentralization cannot be found correctly.

The only advantage I can see for a web3 casino would be the NO KYC aspect. Gamblers who value their privacy might want to consider this option. I have never used a web3 casino but if you are betting on-chain directly I can potentially see issues with it being to slow and expensive. Even layer 2 blockchains can have high fees and face congestion which don't make it ideal for really small transactions. If a popular casino like Stake moved their entire userbase to an on-chain casino, that blockchain would slow to a crawl and fees would skyrocket. I wouldn't want to make a $5 bet and end up having to wait hours for a confirmation and pay $10 in gas fees.

I doubt that because we know that the government can pressure any business that hasn't asked its users to do KYC. So if the web3 casino hasn't asked its users to do KYC, it's only a matter of time and could happen anytime. The transaction will likely experience a bottleneck when there is a wave of transactions made by many users due to momentary panic and that has happened before.

People may still play at web2 casinos because they already feel they know the casino more closely and don't find any difficulties. That's why they still use web2 casino to play gambling and are not asked to do KYC by the casino.

When the time that web3 succeed to take over the scene and web2 will be outdated for sure those reputable casino will shift to web3. And they can gain more hype for their casino for adopting the changes so most provably that their current costumers will stay then continue to play those games together with the promotions they can offer.

If we talk about right now maybe people have doubts about those new web3 casino since reputation is more important rather those new implementation that's one of the reason why we see those reputable casino still using web2 since they didn't find any pressure to rush all things since they are still doing fine with current one.

Web3 casino games will take time to get everything up and running because it's new. Web2 evolved due to the huge demand for easy access to casino games, which enabled users to consume and create their own content but also greatly aided casino gaming. Now, this web of the future known as Web3 has emerged as a new concept. The latest iteration of Web2 will only allow users to consume and create content and data. And although gambling platforms have strict rules, it is possible to use and gain access.

Those definitely are potential issues related to web3 casinos, and on top of that, one more disadvantage of web3 casinos is that you don't have the option of using a lot of different cryptocurrencies for betting, there can hardly be about 2 or 3 coins that you can use for on-chain betting which might stop a lot of people from using a web3 casino platform because every user has a different preference when it comes to cryptocurrencies used for gambling.

And KYC won't really be an advantage in the future because authorities are already looking for ways to start regulating decentralized platforms and if that happens, these casinos along with decentralized exchanges will all be regulated and work under licenses, and then they will be compelled to ask their users to complete KYC verification.

Yes, indeed, web3 casinos still need time to be launched, but it seems that there are already web3 casinos already operating and promoting their casinos. It may be the newest concept of crypto casino to attract more users, but if there are no advantages offered, it seems it will be the same as web3 casino. And if, in the future web3 casino is the same as web2 casino, likely, users will still play at web2 casino because they have found the casino that suits them.