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I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include:
*playing part of a match,
*playing a full match,
*being substituted out and
*being substituted in.

No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.

My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?

I would say that a star players involvement might not greatly affect some games but others it would affect it wildly.  As an outlier look at MLS league Miami before Messi joined and after.  They were one of the worst teams and then a top team with Messi.  I would definitely think the odds would swing wildly different if he did or did not plan on playing in a game, at least if it was known. 

If you are asking if the involvement of star players affects how much odds bookies place on a club, then it definitely does cause all factors like: who is playing at home, current form, any related match news etc affects the outcome of the match.

So the answer is yes, important players affect the odds of a match.

- Jay -

Yes

If you have been checking matches odd, you will notice that the odd is changing. Assuming the odd was very small for a strong team, if it is noticed that the club will bench like two or three players because the club is having a tougher match coming, the bookies may increase the odd of the strong club. This can happen if the strong club wants to play champions league quarter final or higher but playing with a small club in their league, the strong club manager can rest or bench some of the best players.

Before a club is given an odd, there are some things to consider. How strong the club players are is one of the things that will determine the odd.

Some gamblers are betting based on the star players skills and the other basis for their bets.
Star players will contribute no matter what, the only question here is who is their opponent? where they will play? There is other indicators that you should consider on betting. The odds changes due to many reason and having a star player can totally affect the odds, you can just notice this on a team with the star players.

Hehe....how are players supposed to affect the odds in a game??.. well, I'd say they could buh that's Not gonna be so particular... Dunno if you get my point?. If the performances of any player at all is superfluous, then the club could eventually be Valued at more bet/spin points (depending on the leauge in question though)..
I don't think it's something that's done like a major speculation thus, affecting the results of the game at the end...no, I don't. Like I said, it might be the case in so many other farmer leauges..

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Yes, star players can have a significant impact on the odds of a bet or wager on a match, considering the four levels of contribution you mentioned. The level of contribution a star player provides in a match can influence the outcome and subsequently affect the odds. As prominent players have a significant impact on the final result of the game, bookmakers and betting markets consider their presence and performance when setting odds. It's crucial to remember that other factors, outside only the participation of the star player, such as team dynamics, recent performance, injuries, and other elements, affect the odds.

There is a significant effect but it still depends on the sport because I remember betting on the NBA regular season last time and teams that didn't have their star player still played well and won the games they should've lost.

Recently in esports, there was a team who are always one of the big favorites in their league, and suddenly, they became mediocre, losing most of their series (from 6-2 to 9-9) after their star player injured his wrist. Thankfully, he recovered in time and got to play during the playoffs to push the team back to their top form.

It does, and it depends on who the star player is with and who they are against. An example I can think of is GSW vs Cavs championship games. During games when the whole Cavs team is present, they are at even odds against GSW. But in games when one key person is missing from the team (Kevin Love), the odds shift towards GSW even with Lebron and Kyrie on board. While star players have the capability to carry a team on their backs, it isn't enough especially on a team-based game.

Yes but more with specific players. I saw this with previous NBA League in particular with championship. I was looking for parlays and I find it hard to get a decent odd with Nikola Jokic and Murray on sepecific stats 'coz they're both expected to perform well by other bettors, also with other players such as Gordon. Odds are simply the reflection of how majority of bettors percieve a player or fighter within a specific match. So basically, star players are more popular than bench players which makes sense for audiences to expect more from them to perform well within a game.  You'd be able to bet under their names for a better outcome but never expect high returns all the time.

Not every game have this, in very specific games like basketball, football we can experience the difference in odds for a team when a star player is added to the squad as well as when he isn't in the squad. This is common, because the team winning is much connected with the players, and the predictions will also be based on them. Always they carry the expectation of the audience. Whether it gets fulfilled or not is the end result.

Star players contribute to 70-80% of match winnings in a particular team especially when the player is not injured and when the player is in good form. Taking Real Madrid as an example, the performance of Real Madrid dropped automatically when Benzema was injured last season because he was always the star man in every of their match irrespective of the fact that there are so many good players there but he's absence was felt when Madrid was dropping point in every match. For a star player to play from the bench is really not possible unless they player is affected by fatigue or the coach decided to play him from the bench because he just came back from an injury but then his presence will still be felt on the pitch whenever he's introduced because he is a prolific player and a game changer for his club.

Yes, they do. Without any doubt.

Not playing or injure could greatly change the odds.
Sudden injury half of the game could also change the odds but it will depend on the score and how much time is left.
Load management may also affect the odds if the player suddenly feels like he had enough playtime and will just let his teammates finish the game.

Star players gave a plus/minus and we should always check those out. If a star can greatly affect the game on both ends of the floor then his absence will also change the spreads and the winning chance of his team.

odds are calculated sometimes weeks/months in advance for some games. In any case you can usually bet on a match within a week of it happening. What influences the odds are the events leading up to a game. Players injured, coach fired, or someone sick and likely will not play. All of these things will change the odds up or down, having a star player or whatnot is already calculated like I said though.

Yes, let's say Team A has a star player while Team B doesn't. The bookies are odd and will definitely be in favor of Team A who's got a star player.
That's why it's important to look at the news before the matches happen for the sports that you're betting on. But don't get blinded by these odds because sometimes they're full of surprises when it comes to the actual matches. It's more of speculations before the games and that's why teams that have star players, don't expect them to show that much of odds.

I guess it's a matter of compatibility? I mean some star players wouldn't increase much in terms of strength if the core of the team was already established in the first place, heck they might become weaker in the short term in fact.

In comparison, adding a good player on a relatively bad team could help build up a foundation, specifically around that star player. While this leads to the the limiting themselves, it's faster in comparison to trying to build the entire team up to match the star player.

Okay I ranted a bit off topic, to answer,  yes. There might be varying changes,  but yes they do affect the odds.

In most cases, if the star players can play full time, I believe it really bring impacts on the match. The star players boost the motivation of the whole squad, so they can play with their best form. It also becomes a challenge for the opposite team because some players will be ordered to restrict/limit the star players' movement. So, it can be the advantage for the team who has the star players, there will be many open spaces for attacks. This actually improves the chance to win. Moreover, the star players can make a difference in the match because they know well how to score or deliver assists.

However, it doesn't always applies as expected. We must see in some matches, the star players can't contribute anything. For example Ronaldo. Although Ronaldo can lead Al Nassr to win Saudi club champions cup but he failed to give Al Nassr winning in some SPL matches. That's the fact that star players don't always bring positive impacts.

So, if we want to place a bet for a team which has star players, we must learn first how the current performance of the star players.

In terms of the game, the result obviously depends very little on a single player, no matter how "idolized" his team is, so I believe in the "placebo effect" that you mentioned.

However, we know that the existence or not of these players on the field in a certain way end up influencing the betting probability a lot, even though the result does not change much technically, people believe that this player in some way always has a great importance for the match. team. In this sense, I think bookmakers also take this into account and adjust the ODDS more or less according to these movements.

My opinion then: Technically, the stars don't make much difference, but when we talk about betting then this has a relevant impact.

if nothing else, they can bring a good number of audience to the match. so it is still a win-win situation, earning more as compared to a seemingly regular game. but we can't discard the fact that it will really give a very good motivation to the team itself. maybe, putting their best foot forward as they are inspired to do best. so if you are betting on this game, need to carefully select your odds here.

These factors are usually for live betting so it's not important for people who made bets early. It would more likely affect the odds depending on the time of the substitution and the score. A good lead and leaving the game with only a little time left isn't going to change the odds while a close game with lots of time to play will have an opposite effect.

The star player doesn't really affect the odds of bet. In fact, the bookies were always seeing it in a squad and not only from the personality, as football was a game of eleven players. The star player may increase the level of confidence from bookies in making club to have lower odds as it has been favorable to win the game. The club's odds are in a state of constant fluctuation based on their field performance. If you were watching the game and the stats of game is a thing that was affecting the changing of odds. 
The star player may be contributing a lot to the club but it will not change the fact that if odds determine from the overall performance by the club.

Of course, it does. These star players are considered star players for a reason. Their presence is a big deal, not just because of what they can do to their teammates' morale, confidence, and performance but mainly because of what they can do to the game. So, betting odds would definitely be affected.

You take Lionel Messi from Inter Miami and the betting odds would definitely increase. You take Jokic from the Nuggets and you're taking away a much more solid play which will certainly reflect on the odds.

In very high level leagues like UEFA Champions League or just English Premier League or Spanish La Liga, star players only "individually" affect games sometimes. In general their teams are already having top class squads. Also their opponents very likely don't have very weak squads. I think those are only considered within a bit lower quality leagues. Or considered against weak teams of La Liga vs Barcelona for example.

Star players certainly have above average playing skills and even star players are always the core players for a club, not only in football but for other types of sports in groups or containing several players.
So it is only natural that a club that has several star players can perform very well and always has a great chance to win.
Usually the coach has his own strategy for playing these star players such as using them fully from the beginning to the end of the match and there are also those who play when they are in the middle of time to be able to catch up or add advantages.
It's just that not all clubs have top star players because they have expensive salaries and make it difficult for middle to lower clubs to have the opportunity to have star players.

Absolutely big YES! It's obviously very evident when bookies make their odds. 1 superstar is enough to make a significant impact with the odds offered by the bookies. So that purely depends on the intensity of the game, like in the NBA, during a regular season players like Jokic, LeBron, Giannis, Curry, and other superstars will not gonna play the whole 48 mins, so when they miss game, the odds may not make a huge difference compared in the playoffs where most of these superstars are playing at 40+ mins average per game.
Superstar players can make a huge impact when his in the court and can boost his teammates morale, plus it might also intimidate the opposing's team. That's just a simple fact about superstars significantly affecting the odds whether or not he plays.

Spot on. Star players affect how much odds bookmakers place on a club...but...there is a big but this is only in small teams and upcoming leagues. Messi in Miami, Christano Ronaldo in Al Nassr, Neymar in Al Hilal. These are just some typical examples. Aside these if these star players had moved to big clubs in well established leauges Like the Preimer League, Italian Serie A, we would notice no major effect on the odds placed by the bookies.

Of course they affect the result of a game. Star players can win the game when they are motivated enough but sometimes they don’t perform well becsuse they get angry at something and then it costs them the game… So if a team has star player(s) then it is the coach’s responsibility to keep these players happy. Maybe give them some privileges but overdoing it will also create a lot of problems so it needs to be fine tuned. Look at C. Ronaldo, he is still winning cups for his team. It means he is happy.

Star players makes hugh impact on their teams, there are numerous instances of illustration of these facts. In the scenario of Leo Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in their new clubs, they have both achieved alot from football and known to be record breakers. Leo Messi presence in Argentina squad made them lift the 2022 Qater world cup and also winning the first league trophy with Inter Miami, anything he touches excel in football, the most decorated player in football history, popularly known as the undisputed GOAT with no match. With these, I'm confident that big players affect their various clubs.

A star player is already a plus.  They wouldn't be imported to a team if they wouldn't be able to help. I think the bookmakers will consider how good the star player is against the other when they set the odds up. Whether Messi or Ronaldo is incorporated into a team, they will excel especially if they complement the talents of the rest of the team. 

The tournaments in our regional sports also invite star players from our national sports players, they kinda boost the confidence of the local players.

The answer is yes, because they (star players) always make a good impression on people, leading them to believe that the team that has the best players will be able to win the match. For example, if team A and team B have a match in two days time and perhaps all the players for team A are not yet known, the odd could be small for team A compared to the opposite team, but if, by chance, team A finally adds a star player to the club for full time or even half time, the odd for team A will be increased by the bookies because they know that many gamblers are going to stake on team A believing that with Mesi in that match, the team A would win.

Star players may affect the odds of their clubs but it's a subject that is relative, all the playing conditions you stated above could impact or maintain the odds and it's obvious in betting when players are being substituted during the match because it can change the whole narrative. Let me just summarise it in five scenarios in relation to yours.

1. The capability of the whole team is important, if the team is bad, I don't think there is a huge impact a start player would make in that match.
2. The time the star player start playing matters, and this could only impact the odds if such is substituted when there is much time to play, not at the injury time.
3. The track record of the star player in such moments (full or part-time). If the player is such that didn't deliver upon substitution, I don't think it can impact the odd.
4. If a star player is substituted out, it's obvious that their team's odds could reduce or increase, it depends on the person such is substituted for, especially when the former didn't perform as expected.
5. Finally, even if the star player would play in full, odds must have been rated with the team's capacity combined as no single tree could make a forest.

Star players have a psychological influence on team play so that team play might be better if there are star players. But if a star player is sent off due to injury or punishment, it could affect the team's psychology and reduce the team's performance. But if the team is not affected by the presence or absence of star players, it will be a surprise for the opposing team because they think the team will not be able to give their best if there are no star players.

And as for the stakes, it may change and affect it in the middle of the match. But bettors will usually look at other things and not just see if there are star players who will play or if only the core players will compete. And bettors will also see how the team's journey from the previous match was to see how big the chances of winning are.

Many factors will be considered by bookmakers when determining the odds for a team in a match to be carried out, and the factor of the team's star player might be considered because the presence of the star player also has an influence on the team and can also affect the outcome of the match later.
An example of what Inter Miami is currently experiencing, despite their very poor performance in the previous match but the presence of one of the star players who greatly influenced the team's performance will affect the odds they will receive, tomorrow they will play in the semifinals of the us open cup and they will be the favorite in the semifinal match would be impossible to become a favorite if Lionel Messi wasn't there, because he is one of the keys to the club's game development.

Everything matters when it comes to the betting odds. I always consider the betting odds as the best when it comes to results assessments unlike mainstream media and other personalities talking about everything yet they are not putting their money where their mouth is.

Star players have the biggest effects on the betting odds. Just imagine Lionel Messi not playing for Argentina in the World Cup's final game? Or let's say Kylian Mbappé didn't play in the finals. Star players are being valued and assessed regularly so their effects level on the betting odds varies from time to time. A star player might be playing but if he is reported to have an injury then chances are the odds favoring his team will be lessened depending on how serious the injury is.

It is undeniable that star players affect the performance of their teams. The impact of the player will be seen when he is injured or sick and not playing. Recently we have seen Manchester City struggle due to the injury of Kevin De Bruyne. And when they are available they can perform wonders.


The odds given to a team depend on their past performance and sometimes the history of both teams. The presence of a top-class player on a team can affect the odds especially when the player is in great form. Great players like Neymar might not affect the odds because he is not in top form to affect the outcome of games.

This is quite a perfect example as answer to the question of the OP, for those that were following up that games weeks before the start of this EPL season we can attest that the difference in the odd of Manchester City against Newcastle united before the start of the season wasn't the same odd that City had when the news about kelvin Debryune not been able to fixture in that match due to injury.  The initial odds that was given to City increased which was very rare compared to other times that have played with Newcastle with kelvin Debryune available in the game.

The importance of Kelvin Debryune as a star player in the midfield for City was what makes the difference. The odd makes understood that those chances of long passes and crosses known to be made by Debryune would be missed within the midfield and City's midfield won't be a threat to Newcastle therefore giving Newcastle a substantial reason to want to advance forward without fear. So Yes, a Star player in a team does affect the odd size of a match

People would easily recognize a star player more than a team, so yes, it would affect the odds. For example, in the NBA, if the Nuggets are the best team and Jokic is their star player, if he is not going to play, that will result in a significant odds adjustment. So, sometimes it's wise to not bet early because there are times when star players are announced as out just minutes before the game.

Furthermore, the reality in sports betting is that when a team is very popular, it's likely to be overvalued by the oddsmakers. This is the reason why gamblers often lose in the long run if they blindly bet on the popular teams.

Definitely star players are affecting the odds, you can check on the team where there's a star player. When the star player is playing, the odds tend to be heavy favorite, when he's not playing, the team is still favorite, but it's not as low as when the star player is included.

I think it's make sense since star player has a good history, even he's already old and not in prime anymore.

Bookies are still managed by humans and yes that will affect the odds if a star player is around or not, it definitely will. Even if it will be managed by an AI I think that will still have an effect if AI will depends on the statistics. I think there are still levels you haven't list there and there are too many factors to consider aside from having or not the star player/s.

star players greatly affect the team victory and indirectly if the team wins our bet will also win and we will take the example of football. like now Napoli still has Osimhen who always scores or can always look for gaps to score and also PSG who at that time had a heated problem with his star player Mbappe and had used Mbappe only as a reserve player but finally used it as the main player and finally Mbappe was able giving the score to PSG and another example of Real Madrid having lost a star player like Benzema and currently Real Madrid form has dropped slightly.

indeed all of this still depends on luck because sometimes the situation on the field can change not according to what we predict and the opposing team makes a comeback. but at least this star player provides a bigger chance of winning.

I don't think just one individual player, no matter how much of a star he may seem to be influences much. Football is a team effort irrespective of the contribution of one or two players who may seemingly perform and play better.  They've been multiple instances where not so strong teams having the better chances of winning when going up against stronger teams having the best players.
While a superb player could perhaps influence the odds a little, there are several factors that would contribute to the odds of a game.

Yes star players can affect the odds especially with some important players in the team absent the bookies will increase the odds.
Star players are important for a team they can be more solid because there are several star players in it of course the bookies will consider in every odds offered, so for me star players can change my bet or yours.

Before making a bet I always check their starting line up.
For me this is important for bettors because looking at some of the players including if one star player is injured sometimes the odds have a big effect.

Of course team play is the most important thing in football, but you can't deny if there are many people favoring his football player than his favorite team. It mean the football player give a lot influence, Ronaldo is the example. He join Al Nassr and if he play, most of the match Al Nassr become the favorite. Same like other teams that have an European player.

Isnt this a cute way to oversimplify how important star players are? You suppose "playing part of a game" or "being replaced"? Sports are not all or nothing. Its not checkers. Seeing a star player alone impacts the game mentally and strategically.

Stories, narratives, and powerful people move us. Sports and people are drawn to these folks. Messi and Ronaldo arent just big names or flashy brands; they're the best examples of how humans have changed over time. They strain their physical and mental limitations on the pitch.

Now, about the chance of winning a bet: of course they do! Bookies are smart. The odds consider a player's name, recent performance, and strategy impact. Its stupid to disagree. In order to calculate the probabilities of these "four levels of contribution," you should first understand how they are linked rather than arranging them in boxes like a child's puzzle.

The answer is very varied, depending on how strong a team is. but usually, the star players have a big influence on the betting odds. it's just that usually betting odds are available long before the match is held, but the situation will change depending on how the team's overall condition is. In soccer, a team can have several star players. if one of them is absent, it can affect the odds, maybe not. and all that, depending on the team that will be their opponent later. the point is, we will always refer to the odds that the bookies provide. if there is something strange, it is likely that several players were absent from the match. it could also, star players injured. or maybe, the match doesn't affect any judgment like a friendly match for example.

Well, as I said at the beginning, the answers will vary widely. considering what you asked, as I said. it all depends on a team that will compete. also, how much the star player has contributed. The point is, we can't generalize. therefore if you are interested in sports betting, you will really need knowledge, insight, experience, and several other methods, if you are interested and want to bet on sports betting.

In my opinion I think star players have a role to play in a team  and a very needed in some key matches and most times without their involvement could affect the outcome of the match and also a bettors game, for instance like you stated Ronaldo and Messi are very influential in their current teams and their performance have led to both teams success and when they're not included in some certain matches their teams performance
Seems poor than when being involved.
 Now I think this applies mostly to clubs that build their squad around one player, for instance Debruyne is one of Mancity's star player if not their best but since he's our due to injury his team still win matches, because even though he's very important in the squad they don't really depend on him to be successful, cause the team is not built around him or too dependent on his ability.

I would really like when the star player is playing a full match and the rest all of the options would be a negative sign for me personally.
If he's playing part of a match then I would wonder why he is not playing the whole match, it might also mean something is wrong with his health or something.
If he is being substituted out or substituted in there's something fishy and it will definitely impact he odds.
So I think only when the player is playing the whole match the odds will be favorable.

Star players will be the turning point in the game,the star players will impact both the match and the team.Most of us come across the names of Messi and Ronaldo, this player not only earn the name for them.They also made their team name to the world fans.The name of this player is not a brand, but they made their name as an brand.All the sports person now know the name of this two people.If you chosen the star players,the possibility of winning is very high.For this reason the bookies choose based on the players performance all the time.Maximum the key players will made their best game and allow you to win more money.Only on the rare of rarest time,their performance will not upto the expected and that game may be leads to the loss.

I would say absolutely and Messi and Ronaldo are the most crystal clear example of such thing.Of course there are other star players who can make a difference and these maybe not so well known but yet still super star for the teams where they play.I will make an example of many many years ago of Wagner Love a Brazilian attacker of CSKA Moscow who used to score goals even against strong teams in Champions League and back at that time the title in Russia was not something disputable,CSKA used to win it almost every year at the time of this player,so yes they definitely impact the odds.

I don't think it's completely influenced and depends on the opponent they face in the match. Take the example of PSG when they played in the Champions League and they had star players last season but when we bet on winning they actually lost in certain matches when they faced clubs that had the same quality. It is possible that these star players will affect the match if they face a club below their standard, so the bookies provide bigger winning odds for them.

The answer may depend on the match they face or it can also be seen from some of the percentages of previous encounters, but to say as a whole there is no guarantee that the presence of a star player will affect the winning percentage of the game or in the betting itself. If that's a strong reason then it's easy to take a chance to win at gambling bets because it only relies on star players, but the fact is not so, right?

While I don't really think that a single player could turn the tides of the game towards their team, I always find myself accounting for star players whenever I bet on games with them. Sometimes they just do so much you know, that they greatly affect the way the game turns out especially in games like basketball, football, and eSports, although as for the latter it's not so much apparent. Regardless, even if you don't think that these star players are going to affect the game's outcome, it's best to just account for them every now and again to make sure your predictions are in line with reality as much as possible. I find that if I disregard them in my games I lose horribly, so I just started taking their existence into account. I can't say I experienced an apparent increase in win rates, but at the very least it gives me this sense of confidence that I took everything into consideration.

I think everything affects the odds to some degree (I don’t think affect is the right word here). Even if momentarily, you’d think every bet placed for any reason has an effect on the marketplace or betting odds. People can place bets for any reason. Maybe their star player is getting divorced or they saw them buying cold medicine in the news. Who know? Theoretically though, any and everything will effect the odds.

Of course they do, star players are not just another player, they are considered stars because their sole presence can alter the course of the game, as they could do nothing for the majority of the game but if for a few seconds they demonstrate their brilliance that is enough to win the game, and this is extremely common even on teams sports where a lot of players are on the field, and most of the time those players are the reason why a good team becomes a legendary team and they can crush their competitors.

Yes, that sounds quite reasonable and some of these teams can sometimes turn things around when they meet a team with a myriad of star players. The most important thing is how a team can give a good performance and with more confidence it can produce a spirit that can beat doubts. I think even though the presence of star players can be a measure of victory, the fact that an ordinary team with fairly even depth can be a plus in a match.

Lol anyone who’s says anything other than absolutely a star player affects the outcome of the game greatly doesn’t have a clue what they’re talking about.  The star players are what makes a team good, and with out them their teams odds of winning increase drastically.

This is the same reason some sports books won’t list the odds if the playing status of the player is unknown at that moment.

A star player in a team can be reason a team wins. Bookmakers do not directly consider the individual performance of these players, but they know that the presence of these players in the team will greatly contribute to how the game will go. If a star player is on top performance and they know that with him in the team playing against another team, there is a chance to win, it affects the odds that is placed on them to win. Bookmakers evaluate the performance of a team to fix odds, when there is a star player who has the ability to influence the game's outcome, they put them under consideration too.

But still, there are many more examples when a team with the best players wins. I agree that the question of which is stronger - team play or the team with star players is interesting, but if we take two identical teams (in every sense) and add a top player to one of them, this will shift the odds.
As for the magnitude of the shift, I can say from my own experience that bookmakers rarely seriously move the line even if some very significant new factors appear.

Star players have no influence on the gambling odds. Gambling odds is multifaceted than mere numbers. Things like the team's strength in attack, defense, teamwork go into the determination or setting up of gambling odds. Stars don't win championship, teams do. For instance, PSG with all the stars couldn't win the championship.

Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.

I agree that football is a team game, not an individual game. So, cohesiveness or compactness is more influential than the big name of one or two players. That's why sometimes a smaller team can beat a stronger team if the small team can cooperate better. A star player in a strong team can be useless if they can't play as a solid/cohesive team. However, if a star player plays in the right team, he can make a difference because he has the ability above the average players. You can see Messi, he can lead Argentina to win world cup and lead Barcelona to win many trophies because of his special ability. Whenever he played, he can attract most defenders of the opponents because he is difficult to stop. He has extra ordinary skills in dribbling, so it becomes a big challenge for opposing defenders. With this situation, there are many opened spaces to attack because most the defenders will try to stop Messi. It is the reality of how a star player can contribute much to increase the winning chance. So, many people place a bet on the team where Messi plays.

Bare in mind on such one possible scenario, who would really be on their right minds as a bookie that setting out favorites and giving those odds if they do know that the star player wont really be playing? Of course it would really be that making out that kind of effect in speaking about odds of a match bet. Specially on a team based type of sport then it would really be just that understandable that presence of their star player would really be giving out that kind of boost of moral in between their team members which it would really be tha significant thats why on the time that their star playe is absent or not really that able to play the game then bettors would already know on what they should gonna do. They wont really be that so dumb or naive on betting on a team despite of being that favorite but if their main player isnt there then there's no point
on doing that.

It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated.

If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to.  So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies.

 

Funny enough is the truth that there's a star player in every team. Some just shine brighter than others.
 In my opinion, It is not sufficient to make bookies give odds just to favor a team over another, unless it is that there are more star players, team spirit, in that team, compared to the other team.
If a team has like 3star players and want to play a match against a side with 5star players, it is obvious to say that 5star man team gets great odds.
I also think if a team has been known to produce or harness star players consecutively, it has good impact on their odds following a match bet.

Definitely, since we believe that a team having a star player can help them achieve their goals and if there's no star player during the game, you can expect a different result. Star player affects the decision of the better and that is where the odds changes. If you are betting with your favorite team, you are actually looking for their top players and that will be your basis for your bet, I do this most of the time and the odds changed based on the players of a team.

I don't think there's anyone who would want to oppose the view that star players does hugely affect the odds of a match bet.
The fact that these star players has the ability to single-handedly change the result of a game even when all hope is lost is another reason to know that betting companies considers teams with players with higher qualities as the ones that are  likely to win hence drastically reducing their their odds against the lesser quality team before the start of a match.

It does affect the odds of a bet especially when they are performing well.  I also don't think star players are just a placebo effect to increase the morale of the team.  They are called star players for a reason.  Star players are often the core of the team.  The play almost revolves around them and the coach can use it to trick their opponent.  It is either playing a center of focus or a decoy to enable the other members of the team a chance to make a score.

Of course, there are lots of factors that can affect the odds of a game and one of it is the performance of their star player and how he is used by the coach.

^ That sound I agree more and right, Star players indeed go beyond being mere morale boosters, they are called "star" players precisely because of their exceptional skills and consistent performance. The reason why bookmakers and odds makers take these considerations into account when setting the odds for a match. The presence, form, and impact of star players can certainly sway the odds in favor of a team, reflecting their potential to influence the game's outcome. However, this is only one of those odds that we should consider, there are so many factors that will probably affect on the match.

That's right, I agree with you who say that star players can really make a difference but not only Messi because just like Ronaldo who managed to lead Al Nassr to win the Arab Champions League because the two goals were all thanks to Ronaldo.
Now star players are one of the mainstays of every football club, even though it is true that star players like that will not create a team, but when in one club there are star players, there will be an advantage in every match that is played.

That's because star players can always surprise or make the football club win.
When there are only players who are not very popular, the interest from people will decrease and we can also realize that a club with ordinary players will never be able to achieve victory in important events.

It's not always Messi and Ronaldo, but there are so many star players out there.

Mbappe, Neymar, Haaland, Osimhen, Leao, Lautaro Martinez, Vinicius, Lewandowski, Bellingham, Saka, etc etc, if they're not playing and you don't see they name in the line up, they're not heavy favorite.

Remember odds are greatly influenced by bettors, most of people judge the performance based on the line up.

The things that we usually focus on before betting on a match is that the team that has the number of good players or the team that has a star player has a higher chance of winning. The chances of winning  increase in the team in which Messi or other players are present. Moreover, the same picture can be seen even if we look at the history. Compared to teams that have star players or good players, the probability of winning is greatly increased and it also has a big impact on betting odds.

Yes, they affect the odds and wagering amount of a bet just like many other factors.

Here you are talking about a soccer game with a star player with four possible scenarios but most likely the odds are settled before the beginning of the matches so these are just nothing to take into consideration but it will effect the results of the game depending on the performance of the star player.

The involvement of star players can certainly affect the club itself, for example in football, it can encourage a team's playing style to become more confident because there is lots of support from people and it can even increase the popularity of the club itself.

Of course they do, they are star players because they play good, they have what it takes to turn the game around. Consider any game and check their odds when particular star player played and when he didn't. Answer is obvious.

When we find out that a star player will miss the upcoming match, for whatever reason, it will also have an effect on the odds. The reasons are understandable, since the absence of a leader in a team can significantly affect the outcome of the match, and his presence can boost morale. But if the star player doesn't play a big role, like Ronaldo did in Manchester United, then it may not have a big impact on the game and odds.

Of course, whether or not a star player plays or not will affect the odds, especially if the star player is the focus of a team. You can see it from the change in the odds of a match that will be played 4 or 5 days later. You can wait and then see what the odds will be for Inter Miami when Messi is injured or Al-Nassr when Cristiano is not playing. You will see a very significant difference.

The presence of star players can make the team's game grow and have more chances to win because the presence of star players will be the key to the cohesiveness of the game between fellow players. That will give more potential to dominate the game and pressure opponents so bettors have the confidence to choose that team.

But when a star player has a problem on the field and keeps him from continuing, it will make other players experience a drop in performance because they don't find opportunities to provide better opportunities than before. That will change all bets where a team of star players might experience a slump in performance, and if the opposing team sees it as an opportunity, they will try to suppress it and get a win. This will be a loss for bettors who have chosen a team with star players.

Do you mean whether a star player affects the odds from the perspective of a gambler or whether the bookies adjust the odds because of what's happening around a star player? Like whether he gets substituted in or not etc.

I think that in-game odds never significantly changed if I recall correctly, when for example Mbappe was brought on in a game against Bayern Munich. That would also go too far I think. I think that most of these hypothetical four scenarios you outlined above are already priced into the odds provided pre-game by the bookies. From a gambler's perspective I think it can have some influence on the expectations. But would I place an additional bet because Messi gets substituted in in the 74' minute? I think I haven't done that so far.

everything you said is true, but if that happens, the coach usually has another strategy to maintain his team's performance in order to be able to win the match even though the star players have to be injured and stop playing. This sort of thing has happened in the past but it's also rare these days as star players will usually be able to maintain their physical stability to avoid getting injured to avoid something that could lead to an accident in a match.
and usually if this problem occurs the team coach has a replacement player or else the formation will be changed to a stronger defense.

I think that is already given because these bookies are always one step ahead on us bettors, it's like they always have a solid inside information before that same information reach to us which will also mirror the odds that they will give in a specific game. A team that has more star players means that they are likely to win, not guaranteed though but in-terms of chances, they have an edge against the other team.

I think maybe that could happen because there are still many who think that a club filled with star players will always win and be favored, even though it is clear that in the European league not all great clubs are like that, there are even top-tier clubs beaten by clubs from the bottom-tier, so it can't be a priority there are star players in that club and can be underdogs even though it also affects the betting odds.

I may be a person who is not too interested in seeing the star players in it, sometimes we also need to know when there are some clubs that may feel exhausted from participating in several big leagues in Europe and end up having a declining performance so that sometimes they can be beaten by clubs at the bottom, this is often once applied and I think everyone knows that, if asked if it had an effect, it was clear that it would have had an influence.  ;)

The odds is greatly effected by the players featured on the match and this also have to do with timing and some other factors that lead on to the ruin up of the match, if you have noticed, some matches that are 1 to 2 weeks ahead have higher odds and as the match day draw near, so the odds will start reducing or increasing because ot can go in both ways, but most importantly if a big player either get listed or removed from the feature due to either injury or othe factors that can also effects the odds.


I have noticed this is the Asernal coming weekend game, when I checked last week that Gabrel Jesus was not yet on the lineup, the odds were higher, but with the recent hints that Jesus will play the weekend game, their odds have reduced since they know the star player will work to aid his team winning and increasing the possibilities.

I don't think any numbers from these low leagues matter. It would be interesting to see, for example, how PSG's chances change with and without Mbappe, or Bayern's chances with and without Kane. But there is one catch here. For example, with Mbappe the chances of PSG are 1.2, and without Mbappe 1.25 and it seems to us that 0.05 is a meager change, but in fact in the first case the probability is 83%, and in the second 80%. 3% is still minuscule right? Depending on what to look at - we all understand that PSG against an outsider in any case will not be quoted higher than, for example, 1.6 (otherwise bettors will take easy money), so this change should be assessed relative to some range where the rate can theoretically be. For example 1.15-1.6. so 0.05 of 0.45 is already a solid 11%.

I was thinking more in line of the perspectives of the  bookies when making odds, as at the time I created this conversation. 
It is okay to also express your opinion from the perspective of the gambler, at least we still get to see a difference in views from what everyone has seen before.
The gambler has options and it is the quality of the information on their star player(s) and the team they play for, that can easily influence the kind of option and expectation they may or may not get.

I believe there are many factors that affect the odd, but I will say star players contribute seriously to the odd changes; in fact,  I have witnessed it many times before. For example,  when one particular star player gets injured, especially in training, you will see that betting companies are reducing the odds. It is due to happen, but I believe that only those who spend some time in a betting company may witness it. Let us know that the absence of stars in the squad always reduces the strength of the team,so star players always have important roles they play in making changes.

you should see the odd with inter miami its prime example, with the presence of messi, its getting reduced in term of odds, so I guess it does affect how the way odds are judged.
but I'd argue that a more established clubs in which have very good history of matches are definitely gonna be having more reduced odds in this case in which outweigh star player.

I don't think this is just for the star players but the team also is very important in a match making one odd to be bigger than the other that is mostly depending on the past matches. If a big team is playing with a small team then we expected the odd of the big team to be lesser than that of the small team. The small team is always given a bigger odds making them to put more effort to there winning. Most time when it's obvious that the big team will beat the small team, they are always given  small odds to complete.

The teams performance is much considered, however if a star player is in the squad the odds will surely have small difference from the regular odds. As said it is true that the leading team will have smaller odd against the trailing team. However if there is a star player the trailing team will also have better odds. This we can see with most of the sports. To know the difference we need to watch the odds variation on live betting.

I believe it depends on the game that you are trying to bet on. Let's say you are betting on an NBA game and the star player couldn't play that game, that would affect their chances because only he might be the one who is going to make the scores and he being injured or not being able to play the game just decrease the chances of his team of winning.

They are star players for a reason they could carry their whole team. I think it's easy to say that they have an influence on how the game would turn out hence affecting the odds.

Yes, they are. That's why they called "star players" in the first place as they are an important key of the team.

Star players are a big factor; an important piece of a team while on the other hand, being a threat to their opponent. You will notice the change in most cases in pre-game odds and let's say these players are reported to be sidelined, It's noticeable that we can see a said team having unusual odds especially if this team is considered always a favorite.

During a live bet, it also affects the changes of odds when let's say, these star players got injured in the game and have no chance of getting back. Even if the said team is currently in the lead, expect that odds will be changed against them due to the fact that the said star player plays an important role overall on the team.

It obviously does affect the odds, the strength of a team is determined by the quality of its players and their recent form, so when a star player has been playing exceptionally well and their team has been performing very well, the bookies will definitely consider the presence of the star player in a match based on the levels of contribution you've mentioned, a start player playing a full match will obviously make the odds of them winning higher than them being substituted in or out.

However, I believe that the form of a player is also a very important factor for a bookie to consider before deciding the odds. Even if a team has more star players than one, if none of them has been performing well lately, the odds will be different because they are out of form and might not score or play well.

Indeed, the coach must have another strategy if a star player is injured or unable to compete because the coach must be able to maintain the performance of other players so that they are not affected by the presence of star players. But usually, star players will become targets of the opposing team so that star players cannot show their performance during matches.

Usually, the coach has prepared other players who may have almost the same performance as the star players so that it will continue to encourage other players to show their performance. But the problem is in the bookies because the presence of a star player can increase the bet.

How do you view our discussion here, mate? it is precisely by looking at the minor leagues that we can significantly see how the odds change if a star player is played or not.

I think it's irrelevant to discuss big teams here, for example if there's no Mbappe, they still have Neymar or Messi (a case study when Neymar and Messi were still at PSG), of course the changes that have occurred are not significant because Mbappe is not one the only star player there.

Make lots of bets on minor leagues so you understand how changes will occur if key players/stars don't play any role in a match.

its like a second tier player. I mean reserve players who have been planned to replace players who have the same playing style or equivalent playing quality to replace injured players.

bookmaker actually does not have a problem with increasing the odds, its just that the bookmaker always adjusts the situation and conditions of a team and if there is a problem with a reliable player or other player, of course the bookmaker will change the odds quickly which can benefit the bookmaker himself. therefore we must always be careful when placing bets, must analyze carefully to see the quality of each player and the condition of all the players who will appear in the match.

Sometimes, the fandom has a big effect and impact on the number of bets. The popularity of each player has a huge point in the betting flow but I'm sure that coaches are aware of this and the management surely do something to make it a fair match. However, we shouldn't always focus on the popularity of each player but rather the quality and the strength of the players as a team.
The underdog doesn't mean that they will always lose the game so we still have to be skeptical because usually, the result changes in the end.

That's right. And bookmakers can do it even in the middle of a match. And if we look at it while we're already getting bigger returns than our bet amount, we can stop our betting from getting out of the bet before things turn worse for us. Odds will change quickly, and I've seen it in Stakes, but I didn't cash out my bet because I saw hope for the team I chose to rise. Unfortunately, my chosen team ended up losing against the opposing team, which resulted in my losing too. But that's okay because it's just a few thousand satoshis. I still have to learn a lot about match analysis to get better results than before.

Well, indeed, every good and famous player can indeed be taken as one of the best and it is obvious that if it is going to affect the sport, or the result, if we put Messi + CR7 + Haaland to play in the same team, then we will have a Great team up front and in the midfield, now, as good players and punters we know that this team has the advantage, it is obvious that they will have a great chance of winning.

In friendly matches, what some coaches do is test the players they have on the bench, this so that they can have enough fire and they see that there is someone who is prepared to play at the top and start, or that they are the ones who They can be better prepared for substitution, this is what they use at the squad level so that they can play well and make the game more favorable to the team, because we could not say that what they play will have a winning impact on the other team, because also the other team can do a good job and obviously very good results can be obtained.

The biggest teams in the world, when we talk about football, for example Madrid, Barcelona, City, Bayern, Inter Milan, are teams that have many stars, we could include Fraci's PSG only for Mbappé, they They have good stars and one of those stars, only one can make a difference, even if the other team is very well armed, so this brings a good consequence when comparing stars and their movements, achievements and seeing how they have played in the last games, well It brings that they can do things that can be favorable for their team, based on this a good prediction can be given, it is difficult for a team not to use their stars, because the stars will obviously always make a difference compared to the others, they have more It's easy to do your own thing as a common player who doesn't take too much risk, that's the difference.

Let's assume that it has an impact. I think that people will contribute with the performance of these star players and at least the match will be exciting as well as increasing the competition in the match. This will lead to more goal positions in the match and even more goals. When a star player, that is, a player who has made a name for himself and is transferred to an unknown league, it will increase the curiosity there, so betting companies also set a rate accordingly. It will contribute to the outcome of the match and the team after a certain period of time.

Correct, however casinos need to also consider the possibility that such a low performance cannot continue forever and at some point those start players will go back to their previous form and their performance will increase, this shows how difficult is the job of the bookies as they need to consider hundreds of factors in consideration before they release their odds, and even once they do they still need to update their given odds constantly depending on how the circumstances surrounding the match could change.

It affect the game so it will affect the odds as much as it's reported early. In Dota 2, when there's a player that's being replaced by a stand-in, the great performance of that team and synchronization is changing.

That's why it is a factor that many are considering in terms of betting. The odds change but mostly, the way they play will entirely different because the chemistry has changed.

Not talking against those players that usually stand-in because they're there in time of great help by that team who's lack by one player in their main roster. But that's it, that changes a lot including the odds.

Star player or not, each can affect the odds of a game in either in a positive or in a negative way. Being motivated shouldn't be subjective when it comes to important games because the career of our team is at risk here. So each player should always try their best each time they step up in the field.

Coach on the other hand, also plays a big role for the teams success but it's normal for a coach to get angry about it's players. It doesn't mean they are a bad guy in real life. It's only a way to discipline its players if they have done something inappropriate. When we win, most of the times we are happy but some are also not for some reasons.

I think yes, since they are one the factors for a team to win, it just meant that their attendance affect odds of the match. Moreover, they gameplay and the list you have provided also affects the odds. Why? They are players – they have an impact to the odd's calculation, and if you will think of the game's odds base from players, you should also have to know if they are star player or not. Surely, they increase the odds of winning of the team that they are in.

Sports betting is a bit different from gambling in casino games. You get more information and data to work with. But luck is a key element whether it is sports betting or gambling. So as this is based on luck, involvement of such player would only be a normal thing and the results should be calculated by their past performances and present form.
But when we come out of the logic world and focus on emotion, then the answer might be different. On pages, it's all about calculating this and that and analyzing them. But in the real world, someone's presence can change the whole situation. As you mentioned, Messi and Ronaldo. Their presence can change situations, which will in many cases determine the final outcome. It comes from their past performances and reputation.

Imagine putting world's best player with some low rank players. If they don't know his existence, they won't be able to understand what he is capable of. They may think of him as the same level as them. And by the time they get adjusted to his type of gameplay, it will be too late by then.

I know I am saying a lot which can be described in short words, but this is something that needs to be explained. And the final answer is YES.

This is correct, even if a star player ends up having a terrible performance during the game, their mere presence is more than enough for the bookies to have no option but to change their odds, as they have no way to know how they will perform during a particular match or if they will suffer an injury during the game, so star players without a doubt have a huge effect not only on the odds but also on the way gamblers choose the potential winner, as if they find out one of those players is missing from one of those teams then it is likely they will consider changing their bets.

Yes, and that is quite obvious that the odds of a certain game will literally be affected if there will be a star player playing on that certain team or not. Just take for example the NBA games, we know that some teams have 1 or 2 more star players and some teams have only one star player, so let's put ourselves in the bookies shoes, how will we put the odds towards the specific situation. Well, of course, we will favor the team who got more star players and list them as a favorite over the team who just have one star player on their roster.

There is a reason star players are distinguished from the rest, and it is because when things are going badly for their team they can simply flip a switch on their minds and rescue a situation from which no other player could even think about making a comeback, increasing significantly the chances of winning for any team even when at a disadvantage, and forcing casinos to change the odds given by each team in order to account for this characteristic of star players.

I'd say they do affect the match itself and through this they affect the odds and the bet you are placing, the same way a fighter's recent fight will affect his odds and the value of bets in the next match.
You said that your question is simple, but the answer is even simpler. If a fighter is undefeated and won his last 5 fights in a row, the odds will be different than if he lost his last 5 fights. It's the same in football as the whole team is treated like one body. If a star player is injured and cannot play, it's like a team is injured as a whole and its odds will go down.

Of course star players has a big impact to the outcome and the result of the game. Even them existing in the game would greatly affects anyone's gameplay in the field in any other sports game. I just remembered the game of FIBA in the Philippines where Jordan Clarkson is being part of the team, it boosts the team knowing the fact that they have JC as part of their lineup. It's just having also a bad coach and how they handle the situation of the game is really poor so I still guess that even having a good players but if they handle the rotation poorly it will have a negative impact. Cause when JC got fouled out the team falls for the last quarter drastically it's like losing the core of the team. Star players could be consider as a threat by their opponent by just existing or their team mates as a core.

Yet, would you argue, perhaps, that a game, in its essence, is a  between talent and strategy? Speaking of Jordan Clarkson and the FIBA game in the Philippines; yes, having JC certainly would've put some in their sails. But let's not forget the betting odds at play. If you've ever placed a bet, you'd know that team dynamics, not just star power, influence the outcomes! And what's with the coaching staff, eh? Poor rotations are a gambler's nightmare. Why would a coach ever let JC be in a position to foul out? Do they not recognize the palpable drop in the odds when a star player is sidelined?

Star player wouldn’t be called star player if their stats doesn’t prove their title. It’s not a placebo effect but rather a team can perform well if they knew someone reliable that will carry them to win since they will only need to support the star player to win.

In terms of odds, star player highly affect the odds since this player is typically dictate the tempo of the game and the team can’t replace the player which the gameplay revolves on him.

This is a good example on how star players can affect the club and in the case of MLS, Messi's presense has become a fortune for them making them top the league and also it creates huge spectators and fans during their games which means financially, they generate more money from the sale of tickets unlike before.

Now the club reputation has increased after Messi help them lift the league which is the first trophy they have won. Do you know that the presence of messi.

It’s true the start player should keep his record so that his name was in the hearts of fan.After recruiting Ronaldo,he had made an hattrick goal at his old age as compared to the new player in the recent Saudi Arabia League.He also assist two goals and help their club to make some good win.This is the key factor of the Star players,they will help in the hard match to get drain to the down.Either by scoring the huge goal or assist into the goal.The star player was the key player of the game,So the full game is depend on him.He should take responsibility on the hard game and make some unique changes from the drain.

Star players will always be star players and can influence opportunities, and within a team, having star players will increase the players' self-confidence. They can play better because their performance has also increased with the presence of star players. This will affect the chances of the match against the opponent, so the team's chances of winning will be greater. This is a psychological game against the opposing team because they will think that the team with star players will perform better. Usually, the opposing team will pressure this star player so he can't move as agile as usual, and the coach is aware of this. But that doesn't affect the other players because they will help the star player.

Correct. Probably OP are describing the players the outstanding on diffent team that has no reliable teammates to assist him since ni matter how good star players is, He can’t carry a heavy team to success just like Lebron when he first join the Cavaliers. He made the team compete on the Finals but lose completely in the end since that’s the limit of his skills against full strong team.

This is why star players is very valuable on a game since they are the one who leads the match but also there’s some limitations like the one I pointed out.

Yes, star players have their limitations, because they are easily targeted on the the field by the opponent team and neutralized to prevent them from carrying the team on his back. That is the most efficient strategy a team can adopt against a rival which fully relies on a star player towards the victory. We have already seen it in several teams, including the national ones: Argentina with Messi and Brazil with Neymar.

Anyway, I have no doubts that even when the team has only one star player, he will boost the odds for that team on sportsbooks, because despite the limitations he is still a key player who can surprise the rivals with his speed, creativity, stealth and leadership.

For a team that has star players it is kind of a good strategy to implement. Star players serve as bait so that opposing players focus on star players and other players can freely arrange strategies to attack. In fact, star players on a team will have a good effect on a bet, but also look at the condition of all the players, what strategies are used. It's useless to have star players if you don't have the right strategy.

These star players can also break the opponent's focus, so they will be confused about who they should guard when playing on the field. They might lose control because having a star player could make the coach's strategy fall apart, and that would be an opportunity for his team to counterattack quickly. The coach must have prepared the right strategy to beat the opposing team so that his team can win and advance to the next round. The presence of star players can increase the enthusiasm of other players so that the match will become even more interesting.

Star players have the impact over the odds as well as on the performance of the team. Just think of the Saudi Arabia Pro League teams, once after the deal of Al-Nassr team with Ronaldo the team odds have varied. The strategy varies based on the presence of star players, so will be the odds. When a star player is in a match, he'll be in focus much compared to the rest of the players. This means the star player's contribution is really valuable to the team and much expected one.

What is clear is that star players on the field will be a very important factor in football and can cause problems for the opposing team. Apart from that, if a team has a very good star player, the opposing team will be reluctant and very careful in playing.
And star players can affect the opponent's mentality if the coach plays them at the right time and has a good strategy, so in my opinion star players greatly influence the final outcome of the match. And what you have to remember is that even if star players don't score goals, star players will be able to provide good assists or be part of the strategy.

The answer to your question is as simple as a YES, Key players in the sports industry does affect the odd bookies place on a team compared to another team with no key player, For example, when Messi or Ronaldo will be playing alongside other players as team in a match, it is already evident that the chances of such team winning that match is very high due to the presence of Messi, or Ronaldo, so, we dont expect bookies to place a high odds on such team since its expected that majority of the bets coming in will be going towards that team, so what i think bookies do or will do is to make the odds of that team not so attractive to bettors, and make the odds of the opposite or counterparty team more attractive to bettors, so as to discourage one sided bets.

Odds are calculated based on a number of factors and players' ability and standing is some of the major factor to consider when sport bets want to calculate their odds, and Clubs with top players are giving lower odds since their chances 0f winning the match is high compared to the chances of team with weak players.

Just as saying does club standing affect the odds, the answer to this also is yes, what is mostly used to allocate odds to clubs is the ability of the team to win and players are one of the agents of match-winning to clubs.

Yeah , exactly the point I was trying to make in my comment above, so , it can be simply said that, the higher the chances of a club winning a match, the lower the odds bookies allocate to such club, and the more the club is receiving bets from bettors, the lower the odds is dropping, and the higher the odds of the other club with lower chances of winning the match increases ..

But again , how the bookie loses is if at the end of the match, the club which was expected to loss the match end up winning, and they have to pay gamblers who bet on that club high amount of money due to the high odds, though I still won't consider this a total loss since they get to make the money back from bets received from the losing side/club .

It is true that a team with top players can increase their chances of winning more compared to a team that is only filled with weak players but all of this cannot be separated from the performance of the coach who directs the players to be able to give their game to the maximum and also the contribution of other players to help the players top can show perfect playing skills.
Player balance is really needed by a football team to be the strongest and win every game there is after all what is it for having one or two top players but other players cannot follow or keep up with the games of the top players.

From here it is true if you say that players are the main key to success in a competitive team it's just that as much as possible don't rely too much on top players but also maximize other players to be able to give the best for team.

There are many athlete can't play as good as they were when they face the star player, they're either too aggressive or making unnecessary mistake. This is because they're don't have a good mentality. For the star players' teammates, they will put a lot respect and try to play as good as possible, also giving many chance to the star players. See, there are many factors when the star players are playing.

That is the influence of a star player in a team who can provide psychological warfare against opposing players and may also be able to suppress the opposing team's play so that they do not have the opportunity to attack. With these star players, a team can use its best performance to attack, find gaps in its defense, and penetrate the defense to get one or several goals. But when the opposing team doesn't care about the presence of star players and still tries to put out their best performance to fight back, maybe they can attack and put pressure on the team, and that has often happened where the opposing team has the mental strength to be able to survive the team's attacks. And it will be a very interesting match to watch, especially if we place a bet.

It cannot be denied because their mentality has fallen when dealing with star players, and makes them unable to get their performance out. The coach must be aware of this so that he may have to change his strategy in dealing with pressure from star players. The difference is clear, but if there are players who are not affected by the influence of star players, it will be a good capital to get up and turn to press the team. The presence of star players can provide added value to a team so that they can maintain their enthusiasm and achieve victory. And those of us who place bets can also win.

There is no doubt that players have hard there high influence on the odds allocation and just like I said in my previous comment,  the quality of players determines the odds allocation for the club in question and that also influences the outcome of the team resulting in the game.

There is no way, that if Manchester United is playing a bigger club with high-quality players like Manchester City,  the odds must always be in favour of the bigger club which in this case is Manchester City,  since they have better quality players.

Yes they do and mostly in goal scoring. Star players are the most skillful players in the pitch so anything happens to them have effect in the team and the game at last. It is not good to put them in the full game because straight playing need strength so it is good for them to play half of the game so that they would have strength to run. Star players disappoint gamblers in most time in goal scoring, they missed important goal to cut odds, especially penalties. I have seen Messi missed a penalty shootout. If a star player was doing well in the first half it is good for him to be changed and and it is good for them to play first half than second half of the game.

In any odd the main thing is to win so if the star players are not involved and the other players are doing well then there is nothing to worry about.

Yea, I do agree that star players influence game odds, like I said in my first comment, but I think that they should rather be placed in the second half before football, which is usually tougher during the second half. I think that if star players are added during the second half, they can still do better because even by then, the opposite team players may have felt tired. I don't know if it's just rumors or not, but I have heard before that some times most of those big casinos usually bribe some club or those star players so that they will end up disappointing gamblers, just like you said that start players also disappoint gamblers. I agree with you.

That is an interesting take and it makes sense as if star players have the advantage over almost any other player then they will have a even bigger advantage if they compete against adversaries that are tired, however I think this is mostly about the fans and the money, can you imagine how much fans will protest if Messi was on the bench for half of the game? Soccer besides being a competition is also a spectacle and a business, and star players are the ones that sell a great deal of tickets and jerseys, so they need to be on the field for as long as possible to justify their high salaries.

I think they are definitely the most important thing that could be the case, it should be important and we should be caring about the fact that they are involved or not. Like let's say PSG plays a match, if Mbappe plays and if he does not play there are situations that are different on the long run.

I think it should be important, we should be caring about it and we should see different odds between those two, which means that superstars are important. I care about that because it should be really important difference, otherwise why are they getting paid that much money if they are not going to make a difference in the end? I think it should be important and it should be something that would be cared about in the end.

There are famous names in football; they affect the game in a variety of approaches because their opponents tend to instill nervousness in them; at the end of the day, they either end up on the losing or winning side; either of the aforementioned must be triggered. In recognition, your question is straightforward, it's simply a YES. For instance, Leo Messi and Paris Saint-Germain's opponents will suffer far more even if they win; such a triumph is seen as the slightest chance of winning or a close escape. They dare not messed around with elite clubs with incredible players.

it certainly affects the trend of the game but it will not affect the outcome of a match. it remains to be determined how the final outcome agreement determines a winner from the gamblers. If there are stars mentioned in gambling, it will make this site even more popular, which is why several platforms always bring stars who have lots of fans.

It's pretty obvious, the quality of the game affects the odds, and the quality of players in a team will make the odds of them winning higher and the odds for bettors lower because the team will have a higher chance of winning and when there is a high probability of you winning a bet in gambling, you are not offered high odds. So odds of a match or the odds of a particular team definitely depend on the quality of players they have and we all know the quality that star players bring to a team.

As you mentioned, a lot of star players have been moving from Europe to the Middle East lately, and they have been taking quality from one region to another because we can clearly see how the quality of football has shifted in the Middle East and the region has become so popular among football fans all around the world all of a sudden.

Star players can 100% have a significant impact on the odds of a football game bet. Their presence or absence can influence the overall performance and outcomes of the game. Bookies and betting experts often consider the influence of star players when setting odds.

If a star player is injured or suspended the odds may change to reflect the team's potential decline in performance. On the other hand if a star player is in excellent form odds may favour their team due to the increased likelihood of success.

It depends on the match and the current situation on ground, if it's a live match as such in sport bettings, it may affect the odd if a key star player retires from the pitch and replaced by ordinary player, but games sometimes aren't as we expect, things may actually turn around and the ordinary player that have less concentration on him may later win or score a goal, I don't think they do that often i changing the odds because of players sice matches are unpredictable and it's more of a team work than individual efforts.

Well, as I have always said, the players are the Important factor for every game, in the case of football I think I have already stated it many times, in the case of PSG it is very valid that the star players they had were one of the greats The press continued until last season, which I personally saw as very promising, so and I think the Important thing here is that many things can be Done , in fact many bettors were quite losers, because they spent a lot of money losing, especially everything in the UCL, because it cannot be confirmed that with so many such good players, they could not win, nor did they win, now PSG has left its main stars like Messi and Neymar and now they are left without them, that in the teams who are doing very well, then bad decisions, bad technical directors who have had things happen that should not happen, it is difficult to be like that in these Cases.

Now we can see that some teams can see themselves as the best because they have a couple of stars and yes, they can do it, but the effectiveness is not in their players, I think it is in their technical directors, this is only in the case of fútbol because it is Obvious that many have been improving their football as more star players arrive, if we go to a more general level, we have the Norwegian team that has a Haaland but cannot yet go to a World Cup, then In view of these things they can be seen as something that they can have and do not use as it is, just as in Argentina they have a Messi who still gives benefits to them, even when he has said that he wants to leave the national team, I think that the The national team loves Messi a lot, so you can guess that seven Types of Stars are very Necessary, and in fact in the CONMEBOL semi-finals thanks to Messi they were able to win, for a goal he made from a free kick , an Impressive goal , something that left many there Astonished , so for me it has a lot to do with a Star.

Let's think of it this way;
If Al Nassr didn't have Mane and Ronaldo, they wouldn't be almost heavy favorites in every match, right?
The fact that Ronaldo and Mane's names are in the starting XI every game shows that Al Nassr are heavy odds-on favorites against their opponents, which could indicate that Al Nassr can score at least 2-3 goals every game. Looking at their last games, Al Nassr have managed to score 4 goals or more, almost all of them scored by Mane and Ronaldo.

That is what makes star players so frightening for defensive players, they could play perfectly during the whole match but as soon as they make a mistake the start player will take advantage of that mistake and score, while a player that is just good may never be able to even take advantage of the mistake and even if they do they may not score, making star players incredibly dangerous, and this is why casinos acknowledge this fact and change the odds when they are in or out of the field.

Agreed. It's not really that hard to answer which made me laugh when the topic was raised. It's a no-brainer unless someone is not really that keen on sports gambling. The fact that these superstars are paid heavily means they are well-proven to players and they matter a lot for a team to win. The same thing when they are also injured as it will obviously hurt their team's chances of winning, unlike their other teammates who have a lesser impact on their team.

That is why it is important for teams to sign star players when they have the chance because they can bring their plays to higher levels.

That's true, each player can affect the result but star players are stars for a reason. They sometimes do the very near-impossible stuff. See the bicycle kick of Ibrahimovic when he scored against England while he was playing for the Swedish national football team. Who would have thought that was coming? Nobody's seen it coming. Out of the blue, he run to the ball and did that mega-bicycle kick and you know what? It did go in. From 30 fucking yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM_5tJncHww

Who teh fuck can do that other than Ibra?

There are many games like that where a star player just carries the team and brings in victory.

When star players can give their best performance for their club, it can raise their club's rating to become one of the best clubs in the Saudi league. And of course, more and more sponsors will collaborate with their clubs and use their players to help with the promotion. This is another advantage the club can get because they can show the role of star players in raising their club's ranking in the Saudi league. And the clubs in the Saudi league know that their strategy of buying star players has worked well and soon, the clubs in the Saudi league will get other benefits.

The game pits old rivals of each team against each other that's why players prove good things to win. I agree every team uses different odds to take their games to a higher level as well as betting tips and predictions, keep up to date with the latest events in sports. Recent news often doesn't even affect betting odds when a star player gets injured how teams are making matchups and other factors all come into play when betting on the game a latest news update or two could really help.

When a star player shows up in his prime, you can almost see the club's rating gauge go beep beep beep, skyrocketing towards the heavens of the Saudi league. Now, if you link that to sponsors – lol, they just love a good rising star, don't they? Every step the player takes, every goal, every fancy footwork - cha-ching, there's some sponsorship money

While the star players illuminate the path to success, isn't it a bit like placing a hefty bet on a single horse in a race? You see, in my gambling days (strictly healthy and all for fun, of course), I've observed that while star players are the jackpots, sometimes it's the silent runners, the underdogs that yield the best returns. The Saudi league clubs better remember that while they enjoy their current golden goose

when you say manchester united team or inter team or roma team or manchester city or arsenal or bayern are great teams people are looking at the past of these teams and what they achieved. but when the bookmakers are going to place odds for games involving these teams, the bookmakers take into account the current squad of the teams, that is the most important thing. now in the team's squad we have to see which are the best players capable of changing the state of the team when they are on the pitch.

for example: in inter milan, lautaro martinez is the team's most important player, he is the team's scorer and when he is not playing the team's chances of winning the game are very difficult, so if we have a game in which inter will play against milan and in this game inter comes from many victories and has its entire squad available but milan also comes from many games in which it won but will not have some of its good players, so the bookmakers will be giving inter as the favorite to win the game, so this is to say that the squad is what weighs most in this matter of odds, then comes the team's performance

just look at the case of roma for example, they don't have dy bala and tammy abraham, for that reason the team has been having bad results and the bookmakers even when roma is playing against a weak team have placed high odds for roma This is because the bookmakers are well aware that Roma is weakened, they don't have many of their good players available, this is another example that the squad counts a lot, when a team doesn't even have one of their good players. the team loses and the odds increase

You should know that the weekly salary of some of these star players is higher than the weekly revenue these casinos make, so I don't think that a casino can actually bribe a star player or even a club that they are a part of only so that they can manipulate the game for casinos benefit. These things happen only on lower scales like on local leagues and with local clubs and players where the players are underpaid and they take bribes and anything they get very easily.

And, you said that star players should be substituted in for the second half because the second half is more crucial and tough, but I don't completely agree with that because I think if star players manage to score some goals in the first half, the opponent team will have a very hard time levelling that up in the second half even if star players are out by then.

It is possible for a star player to be bribed as long as the offer is big enough for the star player to consider the deal.  Money talks after all.


Whether the star player will play or got bench depends on the coach but in regular manner Star players are in the game during the crucial hours.  But I  if the team is leading by huge margin, the coach will rest his star player giving opportunity to other players and at the same time keep the star player from any possible injury.

I agree, players for the first half can be remain for the second half. I think the odds are not really affecting the players maybe the management will also tell them not to open social media accounts or they will not use it so that it cannot affect their mental health or be demotivated. For me, if some players may be affected that is because he is aware of the odds and it affects him emotionally or they bribed the team.

There is no doubt that star players changes the odds of every football betting.
Where you will notice that every player that is big enough, especially strikers changes the odds or influence the odds of gambling is when you will bet on an individual to score. If there is a greater tendency that Ronaldo will score in every match that he plays that means the probability of his team winning that much is higher from this instance. You will understand that the presence of big players especially strikers that can score goals determines the odds of every football matches.

Hahaha, you described it well, bro. Yes, it is true that it will attract sponsors to hire star players and local players to promote their products. And that means income for everyone, the club and the players, and they will also get more money. This will make Saudi league clubs increase in popularity compared to other clubs.

Yes, the Saudi league should also prepare its local players so they can improve their performance. Moreover, they can practice matches with star players who can improve their playing skills. And if one day, the star players return to their country and are replaced by other star players, the Saudi league will still have players whose abilities and skills are equivalent to the star players.

I think the sole proponents for odds calculation is the players feature by each team and what their stand to offer against their opponents,  that is why players purchase price differs in a lot of ways,  you can't compare a team that have star players like C Ronaldo one benzema on the same team against team that have less known players that don't have any track records or winning any awards in the football industry.

Al these are the sole proponents that determine what we see in sports bookies' dashboards as odds allocations

But how about if two-star players will meet in the game, who will get the higher odds? I'd think who's better to take the lead but that was too far different when their opponents have no star player. With this view of odds influence, this will also be our advantage as gamblers as we already have an idea which team will possibly win the game. I could say that there are also manipulations in gambling and casinos often gain huge betters when star players are on the field.

You are asking a very basic question for the scenario in which we operate, sports betting is not something new and even a child could tell you that if the best player on their team does not come to play, they will not have a good result.

Information is everything in sports betting, so things like injuries, recovery, morale, personal life... all it is influences to performance and therefore the team, imagine if a decisive player does not play.

So, obviously yes!

Obviously, star players and not only player even the absence of the coach will affect the odd of the team to win the game and also will the bookmarkers trend with it interms of altering the odds in the game for the both teams.

Odds are very crucial when it's comes to gambling especially football gambling I know for sure even the slightest information gotten about the teams in question can alters the odds of either teams.

Indeed. When there are star players on the match, people will be more interested to watch and bet on the match. The trend or popularity of the match becomes increasing easily, that's because the star players have many big fans around the world. So, it makes sense if the potential money to earn bigger when betting on the match played by the star players.

Yes, the result of the match can't guarantee by the star players. There are many cases that the team of star players got defeated by smaller teams. Especially in a football match, it is a team game. The team which can play more solidly probably win the match. The star player isn't the main reason for a team to win the match.

Understandably so, star players go the extra step to contribute more than their fair share in the team to help achieve and claim the win in a game. So their presence in any game would obviously have to be taken into consideration hence having such effects on the odds of a game.

I read someone’s comment about how star players may very well affect the odds of a game, they may not necessarily affect the outcome at the end and I quite agree. We’ve seen games where top teams with the best players, being favorites and having the best odds to win the game go up against smaller clubs and lose.

That is what must be paid attention to if someone wants to choose a bet in the Saudi league, where he must pay attention to the factor of which star players are at which club. Usually, teams with star players will increase their betting value compared to teams that don't have star players. So maybe that's why leagues in Saudi are competing to have star players for their teams so that their teams can get added value among other teams.

And with star players on the team, it can provide the game the team owner hopes for. It looks like sports betting will be increasingly busy with the presence of star players at several clubs in Saudi. We will see it soon at the Saudi tournament, and it will get even more interesting.

It's an easy question to answer, but sometimes things can change if luck is not on your side;
For example, Ronaldo was unexpectedly red-carded in the early minutes of the game, reducing his team's strength because he was missing, and the only thing that changed was that Ronaldo was red-carded early, reducing his team's strength both in terms of missing and in terms of attacking power going forward.
It's true that star players affect a team's odds, but you can't ignore that as anything can happen in a match.


This is exactly what I'm talking about.Although it's not a decisive factor in the outcome of the match, one of the main reasons why the match is more enjoyable to watch, more goals or more excitement is because of the star players in such teams.If you underestimate your opponent, your opponent can surprise you and you will have the chance to lose to small teams as well as being a big team.You shouldn't underestimate your opponent without having everything under control.

Yes, I experienced this last season where I bet on PSG where there were still several star players like Mbappe, Messi and Neymar but unfortunately they lost, since then I don't pay attention to star players in a club because that's not a guarantee, I have to look at the overall cooperation of players in a club, because just relying on one or two star players will not have an effect if all the players are not united.

A club has eleven players and all of them are influential so I don't think it's fair if the betting odds are seen from just a few star players in it, it won't really work as a betting analysis because I've tried it before and I'm sure other gambler friends also feel the same way. just like you, it is true that sometimes the favorite team does not necessarily win against a club that is not the favorite

It would be so strange if the star player did not have an impact on the odds. This player will be really helpful for the club. Let's take a look at how mbappe was helping PSG to win the game and that proves that if star player can even change the situation drastically.
I remember when ronaldo was also saving al nassr from losing against its opponent.

Star player's contribution to the club may also affect the outcome at the end of the game but this is an unnecessary thing. There was also the time when star player is going up and down.
Anything in the football is still remain unpredictable but star player would be valued a lot caused they have dozens of exp in the football. The club's odds can be greatly affected by having someone like Messi, Ronaldo, or Mbappe make a significant contribution.

It is not strange, there was a case when star players didn't make a big influence (especially for the result of the game). For example PSG stats in UCL, they already failed many times winning it although they have Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Ramos, Hakimi, Verratti, Marquinhos, and Gianluigi Donnarumma. These many star players can't help much PSG to achieve UCL trophy. Ronaldo also failed many times to help Al Nassr getting full points in SPL matches. That's one of the reasons why AL Nassr failed to win SPL title last season. So, not every time that the star players can contribute much for the team.

Yes, the football match basically is unpredictable. The star players (like Ronaldo, Messi, and Mbappe) is just one of the factors to determine the final result of the match. They can't guarantee the final result of the match.

Exactly. No matter how good these star players are, it's still a team game that needs extreme coordination between the players in the playing field. Sure, these guys are already skilled when it comes to scoring a goal, but how about the other teammates that can assist them to complete this task? There's just a lot of factors in football to take into consideration before a bet is locked - at least that's how I view it.

Well, in the Saudi League, only CR7 was enough, now that Mane arrived, things are different, it gets even better and yes, of course, things can change a lot, because they now use two stars, which makes This league was dominated by Al Nassr at once, but in this case the rival team like Al Hilal is because they have Neymar Jr and it is another level now this team that was only good with its current players, now has To Neymar, I'm sure that this derby will be totally crazy. In fact, when it's time to play these games, I want to watch them anyway. In what channels I have, I don't have the channels on which they broadcast these games and it's very difficult to get them to watch them. live, so in this order of ideas things can happen in several ways, because the Saudi team already shines only with those players, also not only there, it must be recognized that in the MLS it is a league that is not heard much, no It was so popular, now they have a good buzz thanks to Messi, although some plays are quite controversial, but they are still good because only Messi was the one who put the cherry on top of this football, I don't know how much it makes it rise in level, But I think they are on a very good path.

So things as they are, the stars can make a team win, but what you say is good that a big team can face a small one and the small one can beat the one with the stars, and cases have been seen, for not to go as far as what I always Say , the case of PSG did not have Ney+Mbappé and Messi, it was because they had destroyed everything, with UCL and any competition that came their way, but it was not like that, on the contrary, they won Ligue 1 because it would have been the worst if they didn't win it, but in a competition as important as the UCL they didn't go far, and that's the only thing that can't be explained, of course, in this particular case I'm totally sure that it was because Galtier's direction , but it was a team that had taken everything.

It is true that one start player is not enough, however most sports experiment a free market which means that players can charge whatever they want and play wherever they want as well, so the top teams tend to monopolize the star players, this is why for example you have a team like Real Madrid which does well from season to season as their team is basically full of stars at every single position on the field, and while Real Madrid does not win everything every single year as there are other clubs that do the same, they are the team which has done this with the most consistency.

like the case of these two top players that you have mentioned then it will surely affect the odds because they know what the player is capable of contributing and most times their teams do win. if you want to know how effective this is, you will see changes in the odds as soon as the bookie hears an information or see that a top players will not be playing. they will keep on increasing the team's odd as the match time draws closer because they know they might lose the match.

When it comes to betting the odds are gotten by based on the performance of the team and not just by how good a player is playing for the club. Yes it can increase the probability o winning the match but not the main odd changing. Sometime it depends on which odd as their are other odds given to players, number of corners to mention a few. So if a player is so good at scoring in most matches his odd in scoring a goal in a particular match might reduce but when he begins to score less goals in matches it becomes the other way round.

If you are frequent In the gambling industry and also with the way sportbook actually moderate their odd ratio then you would understand that players can actually affect the amount of odds given to the  team. I mean just take a player like Ronaldo for example who is very good and can influence a game during his peak and take for an example it was discovered that he won't be playing for his in a late hour information, I can bet that the odds which will be altered from the original one given to his team when it was reasoned that he was going to be featured in the game will definitely be of great differences because the sportbook knows the possibile outcome of him not playing the game

as we put it this way, we can't pinpoint one single player that can affect the odds of the game. it is the combination of all the other factors. though it may significantly influence the odds if the player is like the star player and very popular among their fans. but overall, you need to assess the team's performance as well. it will give you better chance if you are not considering only the athlete's popularity or of that sort.