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There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

I have personally thought about this topic in the past. And to be honest, I am not sure on where I exactly stand.
I believe that indeed people who do manual labor should be appreciated and respected by their bosses and provide a good salary for them to develop their life as human beings, in a decent way.
On the other hand, those how go to college and learn a second language are more paid for the same bosses of those manual workers, and there comes the collision of ideas.

If the government and the private sector started to pay the same to all of the type of employees or increased the salary of those who do manual labor, then those who are white collar and educated workers would be discouraged to work, even students may feel discouraged to go to college and instead get right into do manual works, because they would get enough money, in their opinion.

Even though, I think Ai and the use of robots to replace much of the labor force is an idea which is gaining force with each year that passes, societies on the planet should get and enforce a set of rules so millions of people won't get unemployed at the same time and rates of crime start to rise out of control in developed countries.

Switchboard operators, elevator operators, concierge , coachmen, lamplighters , ice cutter, linotype operator, town crier....the world will fall apart.
No, it won't!


You mean intervene in a market and forget everything about true economics and fix wages?
Yeah, worked wonders in the past, I mean if it failed 100 times before the is no true guarantee it will fail again, right?

You get paid what you're worth, it doesn't mean anything if you're white or blue collar, a nurse is white collar and still makes 1/3 of what a good electrician would make. If there are 100 like you there is no need to pay extra, if you're the sigle one with that skill and there is demand for it you're going to get paid way better than anyone.

This is just one more example of the supply and demand in action, if the job in question is something that anyone with minimum literacy can do then it is not going to be well payed no matter how much you do not like this situation, however if you have a rare skill, your specific profession is in high demand or you are simply very skilled on your particular profession then you are going to make a lot of money, now if even that is not enough for you then people should strive to create their own business or simply become an independent contractor so they can obtain even more profits from their skills.

I feel the thing has to do with the company itself, because there are companies that pay blue collar job very well, big companies pay their waiters, drivers and cleaners good money too, same way some white collar jobs have also worker's with low pay grade, i believe it's has to do a lot with the company and the amount they are ready to pay her workers. there are jobs that do have low pay grade but generally it has to do with what the company has to offer not minding the skill or department the workers will find themselves.

in a fair market. a business would calculate its costs EG bills, equipment, produce, tax.. AND LABOUR

where labour is rated as a percentage of the business income and people are paid based on their effort to generate that income
such as a form of commission/productivity bonus rated by their jobs function, the harder they work to generate more sales, the more they get paid

but that would involve a fair market

the downside of a fair market is if there were 2 businesses selling the exact same products at the exact same prices with the same bills,costs
if one business was selling half as many products. the employees would get paid less

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there are real economic reasons why female (soccer) football players get paid less than male footballers.. because the spectators buying tickets total less total income in female football.. if the ticket income was equal then the stadiums can afford to pay female footballers equal pay

its the same as different leagues. the lower leagues get paid less due to lower ticket income

its not all white collar workers that are being paid well. If I understand your idea of who does a white collar job, its someone who doesn't use his physical strength to do his job but rather sit in a place and carry out his job routine. They can include, bankers, Secretary, receptionist, managers and lots of others birth at the too and button of those kinds of jobs. although their work isn't always that physical, they still burn a whole lot of energy doing it. If we want to narrow our discussion down to the difference in their pay, some field workers earn way more than most white collar workers and it's more if how skilled the person is than if the person is using his energy to do the job.

Their ate jobs that demands the exertion of physical energy and regardless of how skilled you are, if you don't literally work physically, you won't get shit done

It’s not about how tiring the work is but rather the importance of the work is the one being paid. Surely hard labor jobs is very hard physically but there’s a lot of people can replace on this job compared to a white collar job such as pilot and other important job that is not easy to be replaced by normal people.

But there’s some exception to this when it already involves skills since some hard laborer manage to climb their rank through promotion using their skills. Promotion is the only way to get out on the low salary grade.

I vouch your thoughts as everyone should be appreciated for the work and shouldn't looked downwards because of their profession. I work for an Ecommerce giant wherein forget about blue collar workers but there is a differentiation between FTE (Full time employee) aka employees' on company's payroll and the contracted third part employees (HRO) as they are deprived of so many facilities and benefits which we enjoy though we do similar tasks.  

I know this is a vast topic where people will have different opinion as I have already seen in the replies to my topic but there should be a fair practice.

I understand your statements. Now I guess it’s time you take the other side of this white collar vs. black collar debate. First and foremost, you have to understand that physical labor isn’t specifically the only thing that determines whether a job’s to be paid by the bulk or not. If anything, the brainpower is what matters most since they are the ones that make the market turn and work so these people who aren’t able to be as fortunate as those with white collar jobs could still get their employment and help the economy.

Don’t get me wrong, I stand for labor rights as well since I understand just how underpaid blue-collar workers are, but I don’t think it should be at the expense of the other spectrum’s misfortune. If anything,both salaries should be raised especially when you consider those at the upper echelons earning more than they have business with.

Don't worry, there will also be a market correction for them. Look at the jobs in the companies like McDonalds, people don't even want to apply for them anymore.

The pay is too low and they're like asking people to come and apply for them. When most people stopped living the life that they're dreaming of and they set to just live like having a normal life, there's no need to rush and start the dream life that they want.

Life is too stressful today so as these companies that have a lot of pay cut to simple jobs. But anyway, if we can't bear this disadvantage, what we need to do is to upskill.

You make it sound as if the blue-collar worker’s not gonna get hit badly if such “correction” ever comes., you have to keep in mind that the ones at the top of the market are able to just pull the strings and save their asses as the boat sinks. So yeah, before you wish for comeuppance. Make sure that the ones you fight for don’t get hurt in the process.

Ever wondered why so many companies nowadays are pushing for AI workers, example being those automated servers/waiters in fastfood restos, as well as other automated task processors? This is so they can brace themselves for when blue-collar workers finally mutiny and defect from the current system to fight for their rights. Of course the automation narrative is there, but let’s not kid ourselves.

Oh yeah, the worker party , the revolutionary fight for the motherland...oh wait it was fatherland!
You know how all those movement in which workers united for their rights or more to terrorize others have ended?
Let me give you a few examples:
National Socialist German Workers' Party ...guess who those guys were  ;)
Workers' Party of Kampuchea ...does PolPot ring a bell?
Russian Social Democratic Labour Party ...whats a few tens of million killed?

Can't wait to see how you workers are going to fuck the world again with your revolutions!

the only thing people can be sure about revolutions, is they always circle back to where they began

It would be great if the difference between the highest and lowest wages decreased, but it's just not possible.

The rule of supply and demand still applies. When we have too much supply of a category of labor, its price will automatically decrease. It's the case of non-specialized work force, composed by people who work on areas where further training and specialization isn't a must.

Meanwhile, naturally those who invested a lot of time, effort and money to develop their skills will have access to better paying jobs, mainly for two reasons: because the supply of qualified work force on the market is lower and due to qualifying themselves on areas which are hyped by the jobs market right now, especially technology and health sectors.

We can't go against this only complaining how unfair the world is. If we want to thrive in life, we have to adjust ourselves to the society's demands. You want a better paying job? So educate yourself, become a good professional and apply for that!

How can that is a discrimination? when you born, you're not programmed to become white collar or blue collar, you're free to choose which job you want depends on your skill. This is not like in India where your journey are completely depend on your parents (https://phirenamenca.eu/cast-system-in-india-today/), even you're smart and hard work but you're Dalits, you will be forced to work in dirty job or get paid less.

We can say it's discrimination when White people get paid higher than Black people, Christians get paid higher than Hinduism etc.

Blue-collar workers should be treated fairly. But this doesn't mean they should get the same treatment with those who pursued degrees and further studies.

It doesn't mean that since a worker does tiring physical labor he/she deserves more than somebody who just sits on a soft swivel chair in a sleek office just talking over the phone and signing documents all day long.

This is the better setup. Turn this upside down and the entire civilized world might crumble down.

All work is paid according to ability, if it is not like that then it is not fair. But low work should not be underestimated, and people who underestimate low work are wrong. Everyone has the right to be respected regardless of their work.

Equating salaries between people who have abilities and those who don't is real discrimination. The best way to improve things is to improve our abilities so that we are worthy of being paid more. One of the reasons low level workers have low salaries is because they do not need special skills so many people are ready to replace them if they don't want to work anymore. On the other hand, if a job requires special abilities, they will be paid handsomely because the company will have difficulty finding a replacement if they don't want to work anymore.

The market corrects itself. If we want to do things ourselves that is when the world would be in chaos. Imagine increasing the salaries of waiters to be more than or equal to that of a college graduate, what do you think would happen? People took loans to get a degree and now they've been handed an opportunity that they can make as much as if they never had to take those loans.

One of the things would happen:
1. If the salaries of college graduates are not increased, the number of graduates would reduce because there would be no point in wasting years when you can do jobs that pay more without any formal training. We all know the impact of an economy without many educated people.

2.  If the market fixes itself and increases the salaries of college graduates, it would take us back to where we are today, the only difference is, that it would be with an inflation higher than this.
People would be on high salaries, even unskilled labor so it means more money in the hands of people and that will in turn cause the prices of goods to increase.

I agree that unskilled labor should be paid higher than what it is right now, but that particular economic market and minimum wage decides.
What I advocate for is for these workers to be treated fairly. Some customers treat people like trash, and that's something I hate to my bone. The more classics, the more it gets worse. Something else I hate is their bosses treating them like trash too and even refusing to pay them what they have earned.
Funny enough, some bosses of white-collar jobs still treat their workers like shit.

This kind of discrimination is deeply embedded in our social system. It is very sad.  If we look carefully, we can see that blue collar workers work hard but their pay and appreciation are low.  Have we thought about what happens to wax dolls like us if they stop working?  It is very sad indeed. But somehow we are also involved in this group of discriminators.

while i do believe that blue collar jobs deserve better salaries and better treatment in general we also have to consider the fact that you have to earn a degree to be equipped to have white collar jobs education is expensive and they all at least put some money into their education not only financially challenging but also of course mentally as well hence why they have higher salaries because not everyone can do what they do even with proper education

I have also worked in executive and employee positions, or even low-income labor jobs, so I can understand somewhat about fairness in life. Through money, it is possible to measure the value of that work, but it does not always reflect the true value, because there will still be many cases of narrow-mindedness with personal benefits just for profit. But I understand that fairness in life will always lead us to the results to which we have responded.

If someone makes an effort to learn everything in life and apply that knowledge to their jobs, I have no doubt that they will not be satisfied with what they receive. So the levels of knowing > understanding > applying > creativity reflect the true value of our abilities in life.

If blue collar jobs pay can be increased as they do for the white collar jobs, it will be nice. This discrimination we are talking about can also be viewed from another perspective. If there was no one with deep knowledge who had gone to school to teach the craftsmen about their work, there will be no work for them to do.

In the same way, if there’s no new innovations to make the craftsmen manage their work well, there will be no options to what they can do with the little knowledge they’ve mastered over the years. There is a reason why the system is designed this way, it can’t be changed but can be adjusted to favor the blue collar workers too.

Salary or job payment is not only determined by the effort or stress you put into the work, but it's also affected the percentage of supply and demand of the workers who are able to do the job. Less people can do the high-skilled work on white-collar job compared to the people who has the skill to do blue collar job. Thus the market make the adjustment on the price of those work, high-skilled people has the leverage to demand for higher salary because not many people can do their job, employer doesn't have much of a choice. On the opposite, when blue-collar worker who do low-skilled job demands for higher salary, employer can just replace him with other people who are willing to do the job with less salary, that is how free market capitalism work.

And blue collar jobs deserve the salary increase that they demand because of their capabilities to do in a work, they do physical work activities which requires additional pay. Nobody is looking down on blue collar jobs but sometimes, people treated you based on your job or educational background which is definitely discrimination. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are some countries who gives well compensation to their blue collar job workers because they believe that the salary should be balance based on the weight of the work.

If you come to look at it, jobs like like this are the most hard working job which is really draining and stressful,  people like this really needs  better income to appreciate them because they are going through a lot with the kind of job they are going through.  But I feel their is nothing that can be done about it because  before now it has been concluded jobs like this are meant for those who do not have  more qualifications, they can easily get jobs like this.

Good question.  Skilled laborers definitely don't get paid what they deserve even though our society would fall apart without them.  White collar jobs might need more schooling or be more mentally tiring, but that doesn't mean manual work isn't just as important and   

i think there should be a change so skilled laborers get better pay.  Their work matters as much as office jobs, so they ought to earn enough to live comfortably.   

But its tricky - wages can't just shoot up overnight.  We need programs to teach laborers new abilities too so they can succeed with all the tech nowadays.  Education matters alongside better pay.

Labor classification in the eyes of society is  actually not that important but paradigms passed down from generation  to generation create differences in social status. the world of work is now  increasingly fierce competition  between people who feel comfortable with their status in the company will become a threat in the future. but you need to know that respect etc., comes from the individual and not everyone looks down on other people's work. Perhaps the  environment you are witnessing  lacks understanding of respect, resulting in overlapping views of demeaning others.  believe it or not in other corners of the world  there are still people who appreciate every job regardless of status.

Pay difference will exist, there is no doubt in this. People who have worked their youth off for learning a skill based job and are not selling their skills will ask for money and you have to pay them or you dont get it.

On the other hand physical labour based jobs can be done by anyone and will always pay less. Its a brain vs brawn game here and the brain always gets paid more.

We are now in gold rush stage for AI, its a long way from here. AI will be run by humans with a brain and robots will only take over physical jobs. So again that leads to the brain winning over the brawn and the pay discrimination remains.

I feel one of the key reason for the variation in pay between white collar jobs and skilled jobs is that while most white collar workers hide under the umbrella of other skilled workers to get a job done or most times the pay this skilled workers to perform most of the job they were employed for. Skilled workers prove the deserve every dime the receive as payment for the work the do. So skilled workers deserve to get higher pay in my opinion

How much people are paid depends on a qualification, field, and country. In my country, people who perform manual labour often have higher salaries than those who do intellectual work (but the ceiling for intellectual work is significantly higher than for manual work, I suppose). I don't find the 'collar' classification useful because I think it's not all as clear-cut, but I'll provide examples. A salary of a cashier in my country is around $380 per month, but an average school teacher gets 270 USD per month, unless this person has extensive experience and qualifications, in which case the salary would be around the same as a cashier gets. A loader receives around $400 per month, but a nurse receives a bit less than that on average.
I agree that disrespectful treatment to those doing manual labour is unacceptable, and that people doing hard physical work should receive good wages for what they do. But it's not all that clear-cut in my country either because people engaged in highly skilful intellectual work are often underappreciated here.

I have also had experience with a job where there was a very marked difference between people who legally belonged to the company (those who signed a contract) and others who did not and were being paid according to the hours of work they did in a single day. As you mentioned, those who did not have a contract with the company never have the same rights and benefits in the eyes of the bosses and in the eyes of the law. Honestly, I don't now whether this is supposed to be the responsibility of the government or those companies in an individual manner. I could even argue that the mistreatment some workers receive by big corporations is the consequence of corrupt administrations which do not enforce the labor laws to certain big companies, because there family members of politicians in important positions there or even because the same politicians who are supposed to enforce laws, have an important stake of stocks of those enterprises.
All of it for the selfish sake of increasing profit as much as possible in detriment of the working conditions of human beings.

I remember seeing some documentary films about it, taking place in countries like Bangladesh.

This is the reason why people need to look for better jobs when the pay that's given to them seems to be pretty low. Maybe it's the company that doesn't value their employees so, the pay isn't worth it for someone who looks for a long term job where he can stay loyal with. While there are countries that do really pay for minimum wage and even can pay below that range like in my country, it's all about the company's average revenue. Small companies can't afford to pay that much but still, they're providing jobs and opportunity. I do understand why some of them can't get into the minimum wage because here in my country, there's a countryside rate and city rate and I think it's the government that should amend the laws about labor, cost and salary rates.

White-collar jobs also require higher qualifications such as a university degree, while blue-collar jobs might just require short-term training. Maybe this might be why white-collar jobs pay higher rewards. But there are also some exceptions because some blue-collar jobs such as machine operators require specialised skills which might make them earn higher than white-collar employees.

I think both white-collar jobs and blue-collar workers are both important. But you don't have to expect top management workers to earn the same pay as middle or low-class workers. These top management staff are the ones who make strategy decisions that determine the survival or death of the organization. They bear more responsibility and risk of the firm so they are expected to also enjoy more privileges. Every worker deserves to be paid a minimum wage that should be enough to take care of his basic needs and no worker no matter the level deserves to be disrespected or maltreated. But I don't think blue-collar workers will ever earn the same or more pay than white-collar employees because the latter have more standard qualifications and they bear more risk in the organization.

Be it someone who is a hard worker or a smart worker. They are extraordinary people, because they all have the effort to make themselves work and not bother others. Compared to someone who feels he is smart and has the ability, but is still unemployed until now, because he continues to sort and choose the work he will do.

Going back to the original discussion, there is no guarantee that those who work with their "brains" will be paid more than someone who works with their muscles. What is certain is that when you want to have a high wage, you must be able to really master the field you are working on. And this can be achieved when you are able to combine your knowledge and skills, so that you can not only work hard, but also work smart.

Even a soccer athlete, like CR7 and a few others, when they play on the field, they get paid handsomely. Even their income tends to be higher than a CEO who works in a big company. And soccer athletes can have very high salaries. because they managed to master the field they are in. Likewise with us, if we want to be appreciated, then we must be able to master the things we are involved in, and be able to do what others cannot do.

There is no discrimination. It is just supply and demand, basic economics. It is also not the same in every country. In some countries white collar and blue collar workers nearly work for the same salary. Maybe it is different in the US… Not every white collar job gets the same salary anyway. A brain surgeon and a customer support dude are both white collars but we know that a brain surgeon will make way more money. If you tax the shit out of everybody like they do in Europe, then there won’t be any difference between blue and white collar jobs.

There is also another solution; quit your blue collar job, become a white collar worker. Problem solved.

With the increasing development of robots and AI, many people are currently really worried about the challenges that will occur in the future, especially jobs such as customer service, drivers, heavy equipment operators and so on which are predicted to disappear in the future, however to eliminate the role of humans in the types of work as above will not be easy, a human touch is really needed especially to operate it.
Anyway, we don't need to go too far into discussing jobs that will disappear in the future, let's discuss further about discrimination in salaries for unskilled workers, here too it is still a common problem, the only ones who get paid well are those who are in the high positions, while unskilled workers always receive bad treatment and small salaries, which makes them continue to feel useless in this life, and practices like this have been going on for years without any government intervention in arresting workers as equals, even today, the government does not have a meaningful solution for unskilled workers and laborers.

We live where social mobility and social strata are upheld, so in this case there are several things that can indeed be used as a reference why there are differences in treatment like that.
I would not consider it bad because in the end, regardless of whether it is fair or not, we must also realize that sometimes this is also needed as a form of a person perspective and values.
Not that i like arbitrary treatment, especially for those workers who are sometimes forced to do work that is not in accordance with their salary, but on the other hand we now live where when we cannot survive then we will be colonized so that when we want something worthy of ourselves then we must adapt ourselves to what is happening now, for example for work problems we must also be able to compete so that we are still seen and paid according to the abilities we have.

That might just be the case as, there isn’t a scale to measure and correlate mental effort/stress with those of the physical. Surely, both part to a business is needed to ensure growth but their have got to be some differences and reasons as to why which involves, having to spend the time and resources in going through some recognized institution of learning on acquiring skill on a course. It’s never easy.

That doesn’t mean those in the field and doing remote jobs of their own skill aren’t making some good money for themselves. If your that good, after being attached to a firm for such a good number of years, you could as well save up and start your own firm, let your past jobs market you and you will see the returns for having a skill even without classroom education.

There shouldn't be any discrimination whatsoever because both have their requirements to set one aside and better rich in the future than in the present if the rules and conditions of learning and implementation is to be considered.

Whether blue or white collar, the existence of both creates a balance in the workforce because no one person of whom I have seen taking paycheck from this blue collar will have the brains most times to sit and learn how to apply the use of computers because that's simply the life they have chosen and settled in to for.

This varies country by country. In some countries, certain blue collar jobs like carpentry, plumbers, technicians make more money than most entry level white collar jobs. How we treat people who work for us is a societal problem not an economical one. People with formal education tend to feel superior over those with lower or no degrees. In my country, parents encourage their children to learn a skill to add to their university degrees. It’s often a good thing to have a skill you can put to good use if you can’t get a decent white collar job.

blue collar are just as mentally drained but just in different perspective you can imagine going out to do work and get condescending remark from some random even from the one that used the service, its mentally exhausting deaing with some random people. not to mention the fact that they are paid less for doing hard work, many underestimate the job of blue collar but nobody want to do it because they know how hard this can be sometime and also the salary is small.

even more so with the fact that some people out there just got that simple minded thinking, that are detached from reality where the fact that they are living leisurely, is thanks to these blue collar worker that did the dirty job for them, they should be respectful with these people because without them they surely are the one that gonna be doing the dirty job moreover, the fact that they mostly got underpaid should be a problem aside from the disrespect that they got but nah some people think its their privilege to disrespect those worker, but I do agree that its more of societal problem.

I think these blue collar worker deserve a raise tbh.

This difference will always exist as long as humanity lives. It's not about who puts in more physical effort, but who puts in more mental effort. Knowing this will allow you to understand how it all works.

No matter what correction you make, the market itself will regulate everything according to its own laws. The less you try to influence it, the more balanced everything works.


White-collar workers receive higher salaries not because they are more exhausted, but because mental work is valued more than physical work. Anyone can swing a shovel, but not everyone can sort out pieces of paper. :)

There will always be many people willing to do unskilled menial work. You always want to eat, but few have the desire to learn. So don't worry. This world will rot for a very long time. :)

The value of these employees is very low, because there is always a queue of similar people waiting to replace them. Don't want to be one of them? Then gain value as a specialist. The presence of rare and in-demand professions will contribute to this.

I'm not sure if you see some skilled labor in other countries, I don't think it's necessary. They are paid quite decently.
In my country, the government has intervened in how rich people or companies have to pay employees roughly according to the standard cost of living. It's not discrimination, most employees aren't professionals. I mean, if you're a professional, you can set your own rates.
After all, the white collar job market is full of competition, you're not alone in fighting for a position. So they deserve to be paid exclusively, sometimes they feel oppressed

Since the world economy has been of challenges, there has also been economical and commercial challenges amongst the masses that due to the fact of striving to meet up with the living demands, the labour markets and other industrious sectors acts so sentimental  segregating between the white collar and the skillled labour jobs whereas both a man-power and intellectual possessions are all relevant but due to over-hyping, the white collar job is more regarded to the skill or manpowers job but fails to understand that even at its different measures, yet they both posseses intellectual possessions  Maybe the white collar job has more  intellectual professionalism intellectual to offer than the skill based job but yeah of course the skill-based has more muscular applications.
Each differences has posseses a unique offer that should be regarded in a payment ratio.

Aligned, but guess what's more alarming? People are saying that people get paid based on the business and revenue they bring and thus justify white collar jobs getting paid more than blue collar and at the same time they are worried as well that if the blue collar will get paid in par with white collar then the white collar will get demotivated and some are saying if they get paid in par with white collar and if they decide doing blue collar jobs then what will happen who will do their jobs.

This just shows our sick mentality we are saying they don't deserve pay scale which white collar gets and at the same time we are worried who will do their job if they earn more and quit. This is the real problem we have already classified then as downtrodden which is the harsh reality.

People need to change their mindset and everyone deserve pay as per their efforts and hardwork.

The problem is that business pays for results and efficiency. And business is absolutely not interested in how tired you are, how much you sweat, it is interested in what the financial result of your work is. "White collar workers" are those who create tomorrow and solve issues of the future. Blue collar workers are those who implement today's tasks.
Moreover, blue collar workers also have a strong gradation, and often their salaries are very high. But this also requires knowledge, experience, and ingenuity.
From personal experience: the same electrician. When I bought a new apartment, I was preparing a renovation project. And one of the issues is the installation of the electrical network. Even for such “projects”, I always hold something like a tender. And this time too. There were 3 proposals, with calculations and estimates. The choice fell on the most expensive of the 3. Doesn't sound logical? But you don't know the details yet :)
It was this team that proposed the deadlines I needed, and also showed an absolutely correct understanding of what needs to be done, taking into account all types of equipment that will be installed, possible practical risks and their solutions, the highest quality materials, taking into account the real power needs, as well as the optimal laying cable products throughout the apartment, taking into account all constructive and design nuances. One of the losers said - “bye, I did this for you so that it would be as cheap as possible, if you had said that you needed the highest QUALITY, I would have considered that too” :)
The last sentence is about experience and understanding of what the customer needs :)
So, the 2 people who did the project earned, if converted into a monthly equivalent, no less than a good programmer! And these are ordinary electricians. But with experience, knowledge and an excellent understanding of the customer’s needs.

And about philosophy - believe me, at least 70% of people want to earn more, but... don’t want to do anything for it. They just want to be paid more... Therefore, for many, the transition from blue collar to white collar is simply not feasible. How impossible it is to increase income at your level. And it is precisely because of laziness and fear of difficulties that some people choose the “quiet” but rather low-paid civil service, and at the same time complain all their lives about the low salary.

Total: what is described by the author of the topic is NORMAL! :)

Working with the results of thought (intelligence and insight) will indeed be more appreciated and paid more. Because to be able to have broad insight and high intelligence requires a lot of sacrifice of energy, money and time. For example engineers and professors. It is not easy for them to get a lot of insight and many degrees from universities and so on. So it is not surprising that if they work they will get higher pay than work that requires using muscles. Because to be able to build a skyscraper requires special skills from engineers in the field of building architecture and concrete stone construction or similar. And I am sure that people who do not learn about these scientific disciplines will not be able to make architecture like architecture makes. So that their manual workers only work according to the drawings that are in their hands.

But I personally also think that the salary gap is too big. Although I agree that people who work with intelligence should be more appreciated. But I also hope that those who work with muscles and have to fight dangers that threaten their lives (construction workers) must also be respected. Currently, many construction workers do not even have insurance coverage from their construction company. This is different from office workers who have more guarantees from their companies such as various insurances such as health insurance and so on. So even though the salary may not be the same. But I think all types of workers should still have the same thing in terms of benefits and guarantees such as health insurance and so on. Because without hard workers, even hard thinkers will still be useless. Because everyone needs each other.

Sad reality but majority of the countries are adopting that kind of outlook or mentality. Most likely, since these skilled workers are undergraduate and are not degree holders so they only get minimum wage payout while those having high positions in a company will receive higher payouts most likely because of their higher educational achievement. The higher their educational attainment is, the bigger demand they get from their companies.

To be honest, if only all the countries government are discouraged from having pay discrimination, then there will be no hungry and homeless families around. People will work hard because the harder they do their jobs, the bigger pay they will get.

Absolutely. Skilled labors must be paid more than unskilled ones and in many cases more than "white collars", but isn't that's what's happening in the world?  Who's paying white collars more because they are "mentally drained out"? You are paid according to what profit your work brings to the company, not for how tired you are.


People in what kind of shithole treat them disrespectfully? Just move, man. In most of the world, no one treats workers disrespectfully.

That is true, they think that they're superior than those that didn't finish their studies. But look at the skill of those people that don't have degree.
They're the ones that we mostly need with all of our stuff and they're just one call away to help us.
Today, it's not just enough that you finish studies but also to have more skills in life including survival skills.

Try to answer the question: the one you call a “white collar” has an education—a higher education. Can he do the work of a laborer? Waiter, taxi driver, builder? Yes, sure. You can learn this in a couple of days.
The question is, can someone who works as a waiter create a project, perform an operation, or teach a child higher mathematics?
Do you feel the difference? Hence, ask yourself why people with higher education get paid more. I think the answer is obvious.

Well it is not because of manpower alone. Knowledge with higher positions do usually cost more than with studying skill based jobs. Will this ever change? Depends on the demand. There are countries wherein Blue collar jobs are being paid higher than with what's usual. It also depends on the economy of a country on which would be more appreciated and be more in demand. With corporate jobs, they generate more money which enables them to be paid higher as well, does makes sense. Life simply works in such way and life was never fair. You need to stand out in order to be appreciated in any industry. If you have the same set of skills as with the majority then how come you'd be paid with huge amount.

I think that the education system is responsible for these discrimination, because more value are given to the so called educated people in the society. These is why a university certificate guarantees a better wage than work experience, where someone who is thought theory in the school will be boss to someone who has practical experience in the work field. Meanwhile if the two people were to switch places, the person who has practical experience might function in management level, but the one who is thought mainly the theoretical aspect can not function uptimaly in the practical aspect of what he learned inside the four walls of a classroom.

Although times are changing and the need for manual labor is diminishing, with the advent of modern machineries, robots and A1 technologies to take over manual tasks and jobs. There's a need for people to be more proactive and innovative in building themselves up to standards that will elevate them to be relevant in this modern age.

Well, I don't like the idea of people being discriminated against, whether of their skin colour or of their work structure. I believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect. However, I don't believe those who do menial jobs should be paid as much as their counterparts who are skilled. No, definitely. It costs money to acquire skills and knowledge and those who pay to acquire such aren't fools. They know what they stand to gain in future and that's why they're acquiring them. Ideas run this world, not strength. In the past we were given to believe that hard work paid but we know now that it isn't true. Smart work pays.

If you say there is pay discrimination then its not the fact, a contractor earn more than someone who goes to an office job and their pay depends on their actual skills not just hard work because if it can be done by anyone but it only need more physical effort then work force will be imported from third world country to do the same jobs for portions of current pay.

I agree. Society has made it okay to treat before who are economically below us in any way we want and it should not be so. It's one thing for a person to earn very little and another thing to remind the person about it every time. It's the world we live in. Some people do that to feel better about themselves.
I don't believe it's the degree that makes them feel superior. I feel it's who they are. If they were in a better socioeconomic position without a college degree they'll still see themselves as superior. This has become a normal thing in the world so talking about it makes it look like you're exaggerating things but that's just how it is.

That's only if you generalize. I can tell you how I see it.

Skilled tradesmen who work for other people, like mechanics, plumbers, earn low wages, but the same people working for themselves can easily 2x or even 3x.
I know an electrician who works for a company part time and also gets side jobs. A side job for a private contractor pays twice his hourly wage at a company, but he's afraid to quit the company because it's easy money. He doesn't have to advertise, he knows he'll get paid and a contractor can cheat him. Sometimes you have to take these people to court and it takes time and money... That's why many tradesmen choose job security with low wage over high wage but more stress. Still, they have a choice and could make much more money.

A teacher at school here earns 1/3 of what a private tutor does. Any teacher can be a private tutor, there's a lot of job offers, but you have to drive to clients, face complaints and they're watching you, so you can't slack or be late. You call in sick, you don't get paid, but a school will pay you even when you're on leave.

The government who allows this pay discrimination might not actually know what it felt on part of the blue collars unless if they were in the shoes of these skilled workers and perform their jobs. That's the only time they'll get realized and make up their senses that these kind of people should gain more respect and appreciation, and should be given higher wages instead because their tasks are not easy and demands more of their force and energy.

However, I'm not saying to disregard these white collars but I just hope there will be just and fair wages for everyone. That's the only way in order for these blue collars to develop more motivation to work and perform their jobs wholeheartedly.

This world is sometimes cruel to the weak and uneducated – but they should not be compared. The correlation between the two is mutual need – so I think the root of the problem is a lack of gratitude.

I find that many educated people who work in government agencies are valued for the suits they wear and their knowledge – while construction workers are valued for their skills. If both do not receive fair respect in society, then a person really does not know how to respect himself.

I have absolutely no idea where you live, but I think you and I not live anywhere even remotely the same. Blue collar jobs here do get paid a lot, as long as its skilled labor, its the unskilled labor for blue collar jobs that get paid less, and that is because its unskilled, meaning you can fire any person and hire any other person and there won't be a drop in productivity more than maybe 3 days. Whereas, a plumber, an electrician, a wood worker or anything like that, which requires years to master, is still a blue collar job and gets paid way more than a white collar worker unless that white collar worker is a CEO or something. That is why if you want to go blue, always go with skilled.

I'm not saying that, what I am saying is about upskilling. Like having various skills where we can use to survive if ever the other skill and job we're having is hit by correction.

It's more of a preparation because we did saw how the pandemic changed everything and shown everyone what's possible.

Yeah, I know that.

But with this innovation, I believe that there's also going to be a production of newer jobs. Though we can't skip that it's a sad thing to see.

I think it depends on the type of job, as there might be white-collar jobs who doesn't require too much thinking and there are also blue-collar jobs who doesn't require too much physical effort. It's only sad that there are companies or employer who are underpaying their workers even if they know that the scope of the job is not easy. Not all workers has the guts to switch jobs when this circumstances occurs, so they just accept it and keep on working till their contract ends.

Those you said who underestimates the blue-collar jobs or it's workers are funny, or insane. We can only ignore these types of people. A person who can think properly, will never do that and they can even lend a help, either physically or financially.

It is normal that a worker's salary and allowances will be different from other workers according to the job. If two people do the same job one has 10 years of experience in that job and the other is new then if we are asked to choose one of the two then we will blindly choose the person with 10 years of experience. Or if two people are given an opportunity to choose and if the salary and allowances of the two are differentiated then surely the one with 10 years of experience will get higher salary. Multiple workers work on a project, although the term worker sounds the same, some workers are distinguished based on experience and skills. While some workers are paid on the normal scale, some workers are given higher pay and benefits for their skill and experience in the job.

The person with the most control of workers gets the most pay, in the sweatshop job scheme. For instance, in the construction business, the contractor gets higher pay than the workers who install rods, concretes and lay bricks. The same contractor earns more than most people in white-collar jobs, but because he's the only one doing the job of a contractor his pay is meant to be very big. While those doing the menial labor are quite many their pay will be reduced so that each worker can be paid according to his level in the contraction business. When the building was done and dusted and the owner decided to set up a hotel, he hired people to work in the hotel, and the pay would be according to the levels of employees. The manager would be paid more than the cleaners, receptionists, waiters, etc. Moving forward, if the team of employees does a great job and generates more money for the hotel, their pay rate will be increased.

And on the long run, the hotel employees get more pay than those who built the hotel, the contractors, and his team. Why? the owner of the building has a limited budget and if not managed the whole building may not get completed. After the work has been done and the builders are gone, the hotels or building begins to generate money. The pay of these employees now depends on the rate of money the hotel generates. If it generates a lesser amount, the hotel would pay less, and vice versa. One would wonder why a manager who doesn't do much work has a higher pay rate, but they fail to understand that the most tedious work is mental and emotional work. The work that deals with strength moving to and fro to serve people sounds to many as hard work, but from experience managing people is more strenuous. Complaints from customers, employees, boards, CEO, go to the manager, and if he doesn't implement critical thinking the hotel can fail. So, I'd conclude that people get paid according to how effective the service they render is in generating money for the business or company.

No matter how many big officers or big engineers there are in an organization, work has to be done through workers. The big officials will only give directions and maybe do some experiments to make an establishment but from the beginning to the end the work is done by the hands of the workers while the wages of the workers are very low. In various construction works, some types of caps are given to the workers and based on that cap, it is determined who will work more and who will get more salary. There are some people who overcharge the workers just to see if the workers have done the job properly. Every country needs professional people. If everyone is a doctor engineer but your house will not be built so workers must be respected and paid what they deserve.

The reverse is the case in some countries. Skilled workers are more important and have higher pay than the blue collar workers. Literally it all depends on how you place your standard if your skilled person. There is this freedom in which you have to give yourself any value you want not minding what kind of skill you have.

Some persons are into furniture making yet they live a luxurous life because they run the business in such a way that they go for the best cleint. This is because they know their worth and the quality of services they can render. Honestly i prefer the white collar jobs more than the blue collar jobs. This is because i have full control of my business, i choose the amount i want as payment and i decide when i want to work. Which gives me more time to upskill and also attend to family.

Its normal about payment salary in job, some one have skill and experienced will earn much payment salary than beginner with less experienced and first time working on some company. I think not relate when comparison with some worker have skill but many of them keep working in front of computer have higher salary payment than worker on the field with hard working but keep less payment salary. Simple way in job system, you want to earn much payment salary you need push up your skill and automatically become more needed by many companies and get priority with bigger salary payment.

In fact, our job is not relate with how much our responsibility such as delivery workers with potential risk on the road but they payment under some one else working in the front of computer have low risk.

Let's differentiate to put all their in perspectives

White collar are highly skilled people that doesn't perform manual jobs as they are the management that gives directions that is cascaded down to those who are to do them. They are well read and cultured

Blue collar are people that are not that educated that works in factories & do manual job

Based on the above, Jobs are in categories and these categories are renumerated based on their importance to organization. Need to mention also that both white collar & blue collar have hierarchy with the system.

Since blue collar are manual labour they are poorly paid because is believed that no thinking is needed in getting their jobs done but that the thinking is been done by white collar guys that get paid well which is correct

Mining for example, white collar guys do the  planning, from how many manual guys is needed per day/per job, logistics needed, safety  protocols in sites, number of hours to work per shift etc while blue collar/manual guys is to go to section apportioned to them, say drilling, which he will perform for the rest of the day.

White collar gets the big pay because they do the thinking while blue collar operationalize white collar objectives.

For sure there would be those people would be saying that the thing that deserves for them to be paid like that is on educational attainment but considering the default or normal qualifications within those jobs on which
it is really that still requiring on having a degree.Therefore, it isnt really just that precise or right that they would really be making it as a main qualifications considering that people would be mostly having that educational attainment. In some countries or places in the world on which those jobs that are having that much more stressing and force-related or something involves a dirty type of job does really pays well
but here in our country then it would really be that totally opposite on which to those who are sitting into those comfy office chairs are being paid more. Well, this is what the world we are living
for on which inequality is always be the real thing.

If you wont really make yourself do work hard your ass off then you wont really be able to survive this cruel world. The only option you could do is to make yourself having a business
or would be able to make huge money via investment so that you wont really be needing to work for your boss.  ;D

This is economic insanity, not simply injustice. In addition to effort, physical labor requires expertise, endurance, and risk. Our daily lives depend on their work, but we undervalue it? It's absurd!

On to market correction. Definitely overdue! We can't merely talk about market forces without considering people. Recognizing worth goes beyond wage rates. Never mind the mental strain justification for white-collar occupations. Blue-collar workers are also anxious, but in different ways. We need a labor value paradigm shift. We need to end this absurd employment hierarchy and pay people what they deserve.

Most people want to have a good job, an adequate salary, or pay an employee properly. The problem is that there are other employers who do not follow the correct procedure for paying wages to their employees.

There are also other employers who look down on employees. Which is not correct, but there are also other employers who know how to appreciate their employees. If that's discrimination, I think in every country there is something like that that really happens.

In my response above, you'll notice there are types of power; physical and brain power. The brain power required to work on the computer each day may be higher than the physical power those in the field would use in working each day. I've been a field worker, working outside the company in delivering products, it's quite energy exhausting and we would think that the cashier in the house calculating money doesn't do anything, yet he earns more than the field workers. later I was able to realize that, the cashier faces more risk each day than the field workers. He'd have to correlate the number of products leaving the warehouse and the amount of money we generated for the day. Work responsibility differs, and whatever duty is termed work, requires energy and power to keep up with it each day. Risk is on both sides of the workers, indoor or outdoor. But skills differ, which changes the payment rate for working in different departments.

Critical thinking consumes lots of energy for workers who require it to execute their daily tasks, but the person who is doing delivery would think he's doing the most job and exhausts more energy everyday yet earning quite a little salary. I thought like this, but later realized after doing some internship programs with a famous company, I understood that some people hold the success of the company, and whenever the company is in trouble those people would have sleepless nights trying to resolve the dispute. While the field workers would end work for the day and sleep at home with their loved ones. If there should be a pay raise, everybody deserves it, including the field and computer workers. They are both needed to build a successful company. It depends on the number of people who can execute the task. Delivery jobs seem to have lots of people who can fit into the field, but the tech aspect of the company can only have a few competent eligible to build the company using that aspect.

Maybe every company, for example, that sets up its business in one place, especially those that already have a name, say that they have gone international, usually they always match and follow the regulations in the operational area where they work, especially if they employ local workers, not permanent employees of the company. So, the salary for workers will be adjusted to regulations in that area, at least not less than the daily minimum wage that has been set.

Highly skilled tradesmen can earn a lot of money. Bricklayers for example earn a lot in my country because there is a shortage of them. I think if you get a trade & perfect it you can earn just as much as any white collar job.
I know tradesmen who earn six figures ($) so there are no lack of opportunities if you are a skilled manual worker.

I believe @OP is live in third world country where the salary sucks, it's actually not the white or blue collar get paid different, but any jobs will be paid less since there are many unemployment who willing to work with lower salary.

In first world country, manual worker or service is expensive, this also because of lack of population.

I thought I was gonna read some wage gap bs between men and women when I saw the title but I'm glad it's about the different type of professions and skills.

Yup! There is money to be made in this line of jobs since there are only a few who are willing. Even those considered as doing the "dirty jobs" like plumbers and garbage collectors are paid well.

Skilled workers has higher wage but unfortunately not domestically. Skilled workers here in my country works abroad to have a much higher rate. This is the sad reality that happens in third world country like mine but these workers also help our economy by sending money in. Our nurses, wielders, midwife, plumbers, cook, domestic helpers, teachers etc. were involve in this and they made better pay rate than working locally.

Maybe this is also the case in several other countries, because I also see that there are more workers in my country who are very happy to work in other countries in the profession they currently have. This is of course because the influence of the salary they receive abroad is much greater than the salary available in their own country, so it can trigger more people to go abroad to hunt for a bigger salary with the skills they have. That is a very real thing that I have seen in the last few years up to now.

actually even I would like to work in another country especially here in our country, the salary is too small for my work position. The salary basic offer is too small but they set a high standard for the requirements needed which I think is a little bit unfair. we are all aware that there's an inflation and all expenses are quite high wherein my salary cannot sustain my needs and wants no matter how frugal I do on a daily basis. Sometimes I envy those people who left our country to work abroad because, Yes we are already there where they sacrificed a few years in another country but if you look back, it was so worth it when they were away from their family because somehow all the plans were fulfilled and life became easier.

I've been a blue collar worker and a white collar worker, in different fields, big campaigns and small ones, public and private, and I can tell you all about it.
The fact is that, as a rule, white-collar workers are so well qualified that they can easily replace blue-collar workers, but they don’t want to. And this is even though their salaries are often the same. But who would want to go to work to be physically exhausted when they can sit at a computer in the office and drink coffee? Yes, sometimes your head hurts from duties and responsibilities, but it's worth it. Moreover, if you are a smart person, you can easily move from blue to white collars, you just need to show management that you don’t give a damn about the work you do.

I think everyone should be treated equally weather it's white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor. It doesn't matter. But the sad truth is it doesn't happen. People are treated differently based on their colors and race or jobs. No job is ever small. Those who thinks that being a waiter, a delivery workers, a cab drivers, carpenter, or construction worker is lowly jobs and don't deserves respects are fools. Our life is so comfortable because of them, because of their hardworking mindset.

The discrimination had been there for a long time even before now and I don't think this would ever stop but we still hope for the better.
People are treated based on there pocket, the value in the society, and level of education. This many of these factors had been in place before now, it will still continue and for that reason we don't have options than to adhere and they as much as possible to I crease our level of education and our value in the society.

I think the white collar workers are recruited for blue collar workers.Look at any company or factory where the technical people do whatever work they do, there is an account and admin section, and white collar workers sit there, but their job is not to run the factory or company, they sit for the employees who run the factory. How does a white-collar employee work more mentally?  blue-collar workers who perform their duties in the hot sun and cold deserve more pay than them.

 Every person is working according to his ability.If everyone starts doing white collar jobs, then who will do our daily routine work. As many technical people as we need around us, they certainly deserve respect. I strongly believe that there may be differences in positions, benefits and salaries, but respect is equal for all. No one has the right to look down on anyone.

If they don't have what you want, don't listen to what they have to say. There's no greater waste of time than to justify your actions to people who have a life that you don't want. The more value you bring to yourself the more money you will make in the long run. There are people with same skills and some of them are better. If you want to be the best you will have to find what is missing in them and make it even better. That's how you get paid more.
But with the current world's situation, it is really hard to find an opportunity and use it to your advantage. The competition is just too high. Well you are thinking of something someone out there is already working on it to make it happen. If you don't create a gap between pay rate, value of the work becomes less. For this reason many will not be willing to work anymore there and try to find something better. But the gap shouldn't be so huge that it does not value the workers who are working hard to make it happen. There should be a healthy balance between them.

When it comes to treating every single worker with respect I agree, any job no matter how small it may seem to the eyes of others is something we need to run our society, if not then no one will pay you for it, so it is wrong to treat those people with disrespect just because your job may pay you more, however it is going to be very difficult for people to treat everyone equally when it comes to their jobs, as we know that a doctor took a massive amount of effort and skill to get their job, while they also save lives, so it is natural they are more respected than most professions and in some cases they are even treated with reverence.

OP,  many companies behave this way, they dont value their skilled workers mainly  because they dont have certificate, but with my findings, skilled workers suffer more than the so called office hanlers, however, I won't generalize it, some companies knows the worth of skilled workers, these companies pay them adequately for work done, the production company is made up of skilled and unskilled worker but with the knowledge I have got so far the success achieved by such company is as a result of the great input by the skilled workers which needed to be rewarded for sucg, you mentioned automation, without someone giving the automation command, it won't function properly, so in all aspect skilled workers are needed and should be respected, treated well for this great continuous performance.

Every type of job has different pay as they have different ways of contributing to the companies. We know that being in a blue-collar job is ain't easy as well for a white-collar job, cause some of the work needs some knowledge that wouldn't be learned in just days or months but it takes years which is applicable for white-collar. From that, we could already understand why they have higher pay than a blue-collar job cause they are being paid by their knowledge and brain.

Now for the blue-collar, they are important for our industry cause without them we don't have employees that contribute as well, but they are being paid only for their efforts, skills, physical, etc. which can be learned by simply having instructions for days or months. Let's say an engineer guides you to do something and of course, you are not aware of how to do it, but after you got instructed you done it, you are getting paid.

People cant really just accept the reality eh? They do really like to get in line or level into those people who had spend up time and effort on achieving on finishing up their degree and honing up their ideas and skills for a specific job and now they are asking for having that similar pay? it is really just that for a demand and we know that it cant just be possible.Its true that they arent getting paid up high for some physical hardwork that they would really be doing but rather they are paid for the idea and the brain that they do have because running a company isnt really just that doing some hardjob physically but rather it would really be needing to be that strategic. So if the results were that positive then it is really that just because of the main brain of the said company. Workers are really just that implementing or really just that doing the job.

If you are really that been placed at the bottom then its better not to make your mind being hassled or being bothered with this kind of idea because no matter how hard you do
there's no way that these things would be changed up or would be considered. Somehow there are indeed places or countries on which they are really that giving importance or priorities on higher
pay into those who are really exterting that much effort or something that dirty jobs (literally) which do get some better pay.

The gap between white-collar suits and blue-collar grit has been gaping wider than a broken bridge for way too damn long. It ain't just about fat wallets for fancy folks versus calloused hands for the hard hats, it's about a whole messed-up way of thinking that says some jobs are worth more than others just because they involve pushing papers instead of pipes.

Sure, a desk job might leave you with a sore neck and a caffeine addiction, but let's not pretend the physical grind of blue-collar work is a picnic. To say their paychecks don't reflect their value is like saying a car can run without an engine – pure baloney.

And don't even get me started on the outdated pecking order of professions. Calling a doctor more important than a garbage collector is like saying a fancy fork is better than a trusty shovel – they both serve a damn purpose, right? Every job, every skill, is a piece in the puzzle of society. Teachers build minds, farmers feed bellies, delivery folks keep the goods flowing – without them, the whole picture falls apart faster than a house of cards in a hurricane.

I see what you mean and I agree with you in general, but let me tell you that someone without any proper education can create a project, if that person from wealthy family like Donald Trump and others. Overall 30% of all them billionaires are coming from wealthy families. Not all of them are uneducated but many of them could create a project(with the help of others) and be successful being not educated at the same time.

Actually this is a new issue as at least 25% of college taught people with 'brainy' degrees will be worthless with AI.

Now that makes all colleges at risk economically since why get an accounting degree it is worthless AI is better.

It is a new world.

Nurses and doctors would have value but many college educated people would have fully replaceable jobs.

Hard physical jobs may become the better way for many people.


But I have to imagine that colleges will push back or go broke.

I will likely die before that all straightens out I would think 25-35 years time before we see how it shakes out.


that would mean I would be 92-102 years old so I don't worry so much about it.

There has always been a huge pay gap between white-collar jobs and skilled labor. In a limited workplace with skilled laborers and white-collar workers, skilled workers such as drivers, technicians, attendants, and chefs are underpaid, even though they are the backbone of the company. White-collar workers perform fewer tasks but earn higher salaries. If we start paying all employees the same regardless of their educational background, undergraduates will be discouraged from working and earning a living as white-collar workers, preferring to enter the workforce as skilled labor rather than white-collar jobs. This alone will degrade our educational system because people go to school in hopes of finding better jobs that will pay well in the future.

I think the type of government is the one to be blame. When it should be making laws for equality for white and blue collars,  so that there will be no discrimination that is going to happen. Equality when it comes to respect and appreciation, and not on the amount of wages because for obvious reason, college graduates have always gained advantage from undergraduate due to higher educational achievement.  But still the government should still impose minimum amount of wages for these blue collar workers that would pay for their skills they applied In their respective jobs.

There are tons of blue collar job that pays well. The problem is, not a lot of people want to take the job. There are tradesmen that makes as much as a good software developer does, and there are some white collared jobs that pays as much as an entry-level electrician. It all boils down to experience and location where these jobs are offered, and the amount of effort that is exerted for that job to get it done. At the end of the day, there's a lot of factors at play that affects the pay rate of these jobs. Everyone can be a driver, but not everyone can be a tech expert without proper education; and everyone can be a receptionist, but not everyone can be a steel worker. You get the idea.

You know, all I can say is that we shouldn't discriminate against our neighbors; as long as they don't do anything bad, let's respect each other. Also, I don't see anything wrong if a person has a low-class job.

It does not mean, for example, that they are garbage collectors or janitors; they will be discriminated against. That is wrong because when it comes to paying taxes, we are all equal, whether we are rich or poor. We should respect them if we want others to respect us.

The pay given by a job will vary depending on how difficult is the job itself, the demand for it from different businesses and the number of people willing to do it, and there are many blue collar jobs that pay very well as they are in high demand and not many people want to do them, probably because there has been a tendency to look down on those that do those jobs or because they can be risky unlike a white collar job, but whatever the reason those jobs can be a good option for those that do not like their white collar job and may desire a career change which gave them a better pay.

Some blue-collar jobs that pay well that I could think of can be dangerous to your life, it might sound simple to do but the fact that it might affect your health is one of the reasons it pays well. It could be in demand as we know that it could pay up well but some wouldn't like to sacrifice their comfort, convenience, and safety for the sake of money. In the end, it still depends on your preferability, some people who have degrees and educational backgrounds still prefer to work in a blue-collar job, one factor could be that they prefer to be tired physically than their mental health be drained by office work. Still, no matter what kind of jobs, we're all contributing to the economy as we pay taxes, the higher your salary, the higher the tax as well.

The payments can never be the same because the jobs or the works are now t the same. I think white collar jobs which are also known as government jobs have fixed amount to pay while the skill labour workers have different in salaries. Some skill workers received their payment in weekly while some monthly but government workers received theirs monthly.

The menial workers really help the world in many ways. They are the once fixing everything on the streets and homes. And their payments are different in the nature of the work.

But it's rare that a white collar job was abandoned and a blue collar one was picked instead, innit? Blue collar jobs that are highly paid, first, they can be risky, like you rightly said, second, they can be extremely hard to do. Overall I agree with OP that there should be market correction done for skilled labors, only in my opinion, it's dome already in most places. If you are a blue collar worker and you feel like you are underpaid, move to another region then.

Employers could be treated or paid differently based on their religion,age,race or ethnicity.Employers must be paid equally if they're doing substantially everything required of them from the company or employer.
 
 Pay discrimination can occur as a result of mismanagement of funds from employers,or inadequate required performance task.Equality an impartiality should always be at the back of our minds.So long as they are part of the leading roles that contributed to the companys growth.
Old of young should be treated equally.

In many countries the wages based on the religion and age was already ended.In only some of the developing countries the average wage will be paid.Now the trend based the age and experience of the workers will be cause of now to paying the salaries to them.The corporate people will change the demo location based salary to their employees.The law was created in a way to reduce their discrimination against the employees income.But in some county law was in the paper and never implemented.Some countries just keep in law and depressed the people by less wages,sad part is government help the corporate to do this to their own people.

The current job is a salary based on experience and education. manual labor if high flying hours experience a lot of skill will be rewarded with high salaries too.
For example, if the labor is not valued, people who have the ability and skills will choose to leave and be self-employed to make money independently with their skills.

I would like to take this thread which is already about the relationship between the different kinds of work positions to ask you all: What are you personal opinions or thoughts about Unions?  

Do you think it is good people of a certain branch of the industry or profession are able to get together and fight for better conditions in their workplaces?
I have encounter all kind of positions on the internet from people who are either in favor or oppose Unions. The biggest anti union talking point I have seen online are allegations about them being some kind of accelerator for big corporations to invest even more into automation processes, so they won't deal with unionized Human beings. Which got me thinking that perhaps there should be some regulation concerning those efforts to completely ditch regular workers.

To be honest, even if there was no union in this planet and in any country, I would be still expect big companies to push further to decrease the number of there personel untill those numbers to become as small as possible, all for the sake of better profits, of course.

Unions represent workers and advocate for better conditions and wages. It symbolizes solidarity by amplifying individual concerns into a powerful chorus. However, consider the economic effects. Unions advocate for workers' rights, which is good, but they can raise corporate costs. In a time of cost-cutting and efficiency, unions' push may hasten automation. A tricky balance, right? Workers' rights must be protected, but economic realities must be considered.

Automation is mostly driven by technology, not unions. Companies naturally choose automation for efficiency and cost savings. Should we regulate automation to save jobs? Possible, but cautious. Overregulation may impede innovation and competition. Protecting workers' rights while embracing technological innovation is complicated. How do you strike this balance?

White-collar jobs and blue-collar jobs will forever have a price difference, if it were that easy, everyone would have an engineer, a lawyer and a pharmacist in their house but it is because there is a speciality and things you must undergo before you become one. You pay for lectures and school fees, you struggle to pass some courses, you struggle to pay for textbooks, you struggle to write final exams that may only graduate a few and you think you want to compare them with any craft person who can learn vocational courses and open shop, it doesn't work that way even though they are important in the society. What are you going to call a medical doctor and a processing engineer? If these two people alone stop their work or do a bad job, half of the world will die under a year. Last year when we had coronavirus, if not for the aid of medical doctors, the world would probably be dead now, don't you think?



Disrespected in what way, maybe you can say some people who don't value their craft and work but there is nothing that is useless IMO, respect is reciprocal when you treat anyone well, you get treated. Without Carpenter, there wouldn't be a roof and I'm sure he charges everyone according to the type of service they need, without cab drivers companies such as Uber, and Bolt wouldn't function, they make good money from what they do, some even earn more than some white collar jobs and we have seen cases where some people with white collar jobs do bolt in their free time. There is nothing like disrespect, there are cases where CEOs or head of companies disrespect their workers, so there is nothing discriminate in what you are saying.

unions can help but they have their own policy agenda.

the issue remains that most employees dont know what payrises/promotions to expect what rate of pay to expect nor able to evaluate their work vs their colleagues work vs pay differences

unions could fight that companies should stop the random number picking of salaries and instead have businesses declare transparent tier system based on math of businesses operation
EG a business calculates how much value a certain task brings to the business of real labour to produce % profit

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EG take football(soccer)
if there was a mens and womans team of same level/league.
but the womans game ticket sales were $50 a ticket and only had 20k attendees per weekly game($1m)
where as the make game ticket sales were $80 a ticket and had 40k attendees per weekly game($3.2m)
(its actually true female same league demand/fanbase desire for tickets is less than male league.. thats economics not sexism)

the fair system is each of the 20 players had a rating of 2% if they played on pitch. 4% if they scored. and 1% if they just sat on the sidelines
a female player that played and scored 2 goals would rightfully and fairly get 10% of $1m ticket income ($100k)
a female player that played and scored 0 goals would rightfully and fairly get 2% of $1m ticket income ($20k)
a female player that sat at sidelines would rightfully and fairly get 1% of $1m ticket income ($10k)

a male player that played and scored 2 goals would rightfully and fairly get 10% of $3.2m ticket income ($320k)
a male player that played and scored 0 goals would rightfully and fairly get 2% of $3.2m ticket income ($64k)
a male player that sat at sidelines would rightfully and fairly get 1% of $3.2m ticket income ($32k)

this would be transparent and clear and fair. compared to a system of certain people sitting at the sidelines thinking they deserve to be paid $320k just because "im a footballer too, just like the top footballer" mentality

Yes, it’s quite sad seeing how people treat public service workers with disrespect and disdain but we’ve got different types of people and unfortunately, not everyone would be kind, fair and understanding. But these service workers, although important in our society are as much pillars in the society as any other occupation. Would things fall apart without them? Probably not.

About pay differences, it’s only normal to be paid according to the services you provide. If you’re exceptional in your field, you would be paid accordingly. It’s only fair in my opinion.

All should be treated equally and with respect. But in terms of wages for labor, there's this thing called Salary grade or bracket which obviously white collar jobs are higher.

Those who disrespect and only respect people out of their job is a total dumb. Your job doesn't reflect on who you really are, I know people with blue collar jobs be drinking all night, hopping bars night after night, and post shitty contents on social media and then there are people who is street-sweeper who return a cellphone to the owner after being left in a public place, provide for their family, and shows respect to others equally. We should be doing different things now, it's 2024 and this mindset is like a stuck old brainer.

Why white collar Jobs get higher pay than blue-collar jobs due to several factors. Firstly, white collar is a professions often require extensive education and specialized skills, which necessitate a significant investment of time and resources in acquiring knowledge. Professionals in these roles contribute to the intellectual and strategic aspects of businesses, impacting decision making and organizational success.

Additionally, white collar jobs often involve a higher level of responsibility and accountability. Individuals in managerial or executive positions bear the weight of crucial decisions, influencing the entire company's trajectory. This level of responsibility demands a higher compensation to attract and retain top talent.

Furthermore, white-collar roles often involve continuous learning and adaptation to rapidly changing industries, adding to the value of the skills possessed. The demand for these roles is frequently driven by the evolving landscape of technology and business, contributing to their higher pay scale compared to blue cpppollar jobs that may require more physical labor but often involve repetitive tasks with lower educational prerequisites.

It is extremely depressing when we fail to recognize the importance of hard work in seemingly unremarkable yet vital roles in our everyday existence. Consider the person who delivers our wonderful meals, the taxi driver who gets us where we need to go, or the carpenter who constructs our houses. These people go a long way toward simplifying our lives. Even pros could have difficulties at work without them. Because of this, it's critical to respect them and acknowledge their significance by making sure they are fairly compensated for their labors, understanding the critical role they play in maintaining order and efficiency.

Maybe the way the society look at them and judge them by their standard. Society has made the world look confined that if you don't go school and finish from higher institution, you will never make it in life and that's why when people that dropped out of school due to insufficient funds to further later settle for blue collar jobs are been underrated. Even if you have a higher degree certificate and you settle for this jobs, the society has a way it call you to order to that discrimination. However, I don't do that and I know people that are into that jobs and take their jobs in a professional way and charge you base on their time and experience, they earned well especially the skilled ones.


The level of packaging is one of the things that affect their standard,just because people don't value me in the society doesn't mean I shouldn't make myself. I know of a guy that service our family cars, the guy has his personal car and dress professionally to his work place and has proper tools. If you call him for work, be ready to pay high money because he is going to deliver what you want him to do and that's where I respect him very much because he always package himself. You don't expect a mechanic that has his own personal car to accept a penny payment from you, he wouldn't.

This is the reason I have made this post because they don't get the due respect which they deserve and without them this world will rot we shouldn't be in assumption that artificial intelligence or a bot will take care of these things we are still far away from such technologies which can replace the kind of task done by these skilled workers. It's simple they should get their due respect and fair pay for the kind of hardwork they put in to make this world a better place to in. We cannot image a world without them as everything will be messed up with no one to fix it.

Discrimination only happens when people with higher incomes look down on those with lower incomes, or when people in high positions dismiss those in lower positions. But remember, not everyone disrespects someone else's job; it's about a person's attitude and respect toward others.

All jobs have their own importance, and I agree with OP that many simple jobs done by ordinary people go unappreciated. People take different paths in their careers, so I consider someone with a better career to be someone who has worked hard and had a bit of luck.

The position of a courier is indeed important, but the position of a head of state is even more crucial. They both work, but they have different skill sets.

head of state has a skillset? i thought they employed advisers for that and delegated tasks to actual people with skills

Looking at the blue collar jobs in my area, I can say that white collar jobs are filled with people who graduated from college for no reason at all. Back in the day, during our parents time, people with a college degree ended up making a lot more money, so the whole world pressured the kids to go to college so they would be one of those people who make that money, but because we all did, now it means nothing at all.

In fact, I worked 4+ years without a degree and made about the same amount of money as afterwards, only after I found my current job that I got paid this much, and on my current job, that I have been working for 8 years, I have never proved my college degree, meaning I could have been uneducated person with not even graduating from elementary school, and my boss wouldn't know, never asked, I have my job, because I am good at it, as simple as that.

That is the world for you, no how we will always see discrimination. This is why you also see the huge gaps between the rich and poor pay (directly or indirectly), and I'm afraid, it will continue like that.

This is certainly not fair, and what I can say now is that the white-collar job is assumed to be a noble job and that nobility was earned through the stress they passed through when they took their time to school. In other words, their certificate(s) earned them that, and a certificate as we know is very powerful regardless of how many would feel about the disparity. Yet, blue-collar jobs should still be fairly paid since they are the main effort/brain that made the work/business possible. But I will not entirely support them because most of them are too lazy to go to school, there is nothing stopping most of them from returning back to school and upgrading. I have seen many painstakingly doing that and were better than their former colleagues over time.

Above all, the certificate is powerful, so anyone who wants to be paid in that grade should work for it and obtain it.

But normally they ask for your education certificates when you apply for a job. You are a lucky person that you have found your job, and your boss is a good person(from the words you describe him). Many white-collar jobs look like they could be performed without any education, but in fact you need an education to get them.

Well, there are some who don’t have proper education but are still capable to do paper works or management programs because they have varied experiences that made them learn the works of a white collar. Although they can’t be hire because they are underqualified, but when it comes to skills and even intelligence, these blue collar workers can still have the chances to prove their worth if they are given opportunities.

However, we can’t deny the reality that white collar workers have bigger opportunities than those blue collar workers. Probably because they spent more to finish their degree so they should be given more favorable opportunities compared to those blue collar workers.

I do agree, I do in fact travel to other countries in mid 2000's to obviously look for job. I did get one, however, they are looking for your credentials and experience and diploma. In short you need to educate yourself to get a good job not just in our own country, but even outside.

So he might be lucky to have a good boss who understands, or perhaps his talent is valuable and hard to get that his boss never ask for his education and diploma. As long as he can do that job the right way and make his boss money, then it's going to be fine.

But still it's incredibly rare to get a job just based on a promise like "I can do the job. Trust me." Normally you have to show that you've done the job before, that you have an experience. Especially when it's a white-collar job. You can dig a hole without any prior experience, but the question is, how much you will be paid for that? Not much, that's for certain.

When people talk about pay discrimination it takes to be around things like men versus women or the different pay rates of different age groups, rather than different sectors within the economy. The market is already self correcting when it comes to wages, no help is really needed and I find it bizarre that you're grouping waiters with construction workers. It tells me that you don't necessarily know or understand the wages that are being paid to these groups of workers. Waiters are likely to be near minimum wage, but construction workers can earn much more - especially if they do a trade like plumbing, electrics or project management. I'm not sure what sort of disrespect you're seeing, but you get out of life what you put in - people in higher wage jobs often had to put in many years of higher education and pay lots of money to earn their way to higher paid jobs.

You said it correctly brother. They may be treated by some other citizens to be as low as what they think because they earn less than them. But remember during the pandemic on who are allowed to do such work and helped a lot of people that have stayed at home, these folks that worked very well and helped a lot of us especially the delivery workers and services. As I grow, I've learned to pay respect to whomever it should be due. Not going to be just about the amount that they earn but the actual people they are because everyone deserves to get respected. I think the influence of the social media also plays a part on these matters when this today's society has set a standard about thinking low and high based on how much you earn.

Well whether you're in a fancy office job or getting your hands dirty in a blue-collar gig, both types of work have their challenges. The idea here is that everyone deserves fair pay and respect for what they bring to the game. Think of it as giving a shoutout to all the hustlers out there, whether they're rocking a suit or some work boots. It's about recognizing and valuing different kinds of hard work.

The labor market is all about abundance and scarcity(just like all the other markets). Skills are rare(and therefore expensive) and the people, who are willing to do physical work are abundant(therefore physical work is cheap).
If you are working at some minimum wage job(waiter, delivery worker, cab driver, etc.) you are easily replaceable. The employer could fire you and hire some immigrant from Asia(or from Latin America, if you live in the USA).
The white collar employees aren't so easily replaceable. If the employer fires a white collar employee and replaces him with an unexperienced guy, the newcomer will be facing difficulties in his new job.  

Sometimes everything cannot be done and is done alone and requires other people, so the work actually needs each other and complements each other. In the end, the need for other work skills is really needed where it is possible that it cannot be done but can be done by others.In the end, work engagement is not ignored; the difference is the recognition given for the work done. Even though sometimes one job can be considered less worthy than another,  that is a subjective assessment, and that is because there is no mutual respect for each other with the work they carry out. For me, all work is equally good as long as it is done wholeheartedly and is able to support family life.

It often happens in other places that similar things happen when the minimum wage is paid, there are differences, some are not the same, different parts of the payment are different, because of this there are differences in institutions, and when there is no wage discrimination between person A and person B. The way out is other than dealing with it and reporting it to your superiors. If there is no solution, like it or not, we have to leave the place of work ourselves, so as not to repeat something similar to what has happened to us regarding wage discrimination.

All jobs should have a competent and correct salary that is given, especially if the job offered is difficult, I hope to make sure that the salary is fair enough, because sometimes other businessmen who hire workers, they take too much advantage of the employees who apply because they know that they can't refuse because they really need a job,  but maybe that's the trend when it comes to business, but at least they have consideration for their workers and I hope they see their employees effort and hard work.

This is depending in which place you live because in some areas/countries that Blue collar jobs are paying well than some white collars(I may not say all of them but at least some or even more)
and also Laborer must stay low because if not then the chain of the world will change and it will affect the world. Imagine what will happen now if in the past those executive is earning lower than laborer? imbalance right?

That's the interdependence of work and the recognition of the value each job brings. Indeed, collaboration and the recognition of various skills are fundamental to achieving collective success in many endeavors. There should be mutual respect for the work that individuals carry out, because every role, regardless of how it's subjectively assessed, plays a vital part in the larger picture. It needs personal dedication and commitment in any task, regardless of its perceived societal status.

This perspective raise a more inclusive and respectful view of various occupations which acknowledge the diverse skills and contributions that people bring to the workforce. In a world where teamwork and collaboration are increasingly crucial, recognizing and valuing the unique qualities of each individual's work can foster a more supportive and harmonious working environment.

The digressions on the payment differences between the above mentioned is depended on their services.
There are skills (handwork) jobs that pays better than the white collar jobs. For goodness sake, the industries have varies of technicalities which are partitions that requires technical skills as handworks to deliver the job which a White collar job personells knowledge is not efficient to deliver the job.

Some employers want to pay the employees as little as possible, but fortunately the market makes them to pay fair salaries whether they want it or not. If you good specialists working in your firm, you must provide them with decent pay. If you don't want to pay you shouldn't expect good specialists working for you.

If you want a high-paying, skilled job, you should be working somewhere. You will be rated based on the service you render and not on your employment qualifications.
 
Skill jobs are good; in fact, they are part of the things that make an industry stand out, as those labourers are the ones handling more of the physical manpower work.
 
But if we also look at it the other way around, for those white collar orkers, those who sit in the office have some real jobs they are doing, which stress their brains, and they need to do some calculations in order for them to bring up something meaningful, which are the commands these people on the field work with.

i don't want to denigrate blue collar jobs, but let's think logically; for example, right now you are a white collar and work as an admin, you are in that position through a long process, from college to taking certification for that position, but at the same time there is a blue collar, he only works as a courier and only graduated from high school, he doesn't have any certification and only relies on his navigation skills. the question is, are you willing for your salary as an admin to be the same as that of the courier?

your answer to this question will answer the thread you created.

It does not matter who gets paid more, white or blue collar as they are getting paid for their skill and experience. You might press just one button and charge for it $1000, and you will be paid that, because there is no one who can make the same. You can spend 18h per day coding and earn the same as one guy in dirty t-shirt earns by cutting one single wire. Salary discrimination is not between white or blue collars, each gets paid by the number of experience he has.


It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

If someone is discriminator by payment, then he allowed others to pay him low. There is always a possibility to learn new, improve and earn more.

Certainly not. Where there is high achievements and educational attainment, that's where higher advantage should be given. Because to be honest, schooling is not really easy, most especially if you are going on a masteral or doctorate degree, not only you should prepare yourself physically and emotionally, but most likely your finances as well. So probably, if you gain higher quality education, that's where a bigger compensation should go.

If the system of labor regulations is in accordance with the rules made by the government, which will clearly provide appropriateness for what is done, of course whatever work can be fulfilled will be adjusted to the abilities given. It is natural that entrepreneurs will seek profit in every work transaction, but companies will not be able to arbitrarily apply rules that have been agreed upon or determined by government authorities. But most of the workers are in a forced situation because they need work, so the rules are sometimes ignored so that they are not in accordance with standard rules that must be accepted by workers.If the rules are clear, then I believe employers will continue to consider what is charged to workers and will adjust it to their work capacity and what they deserve.

Doctors and everything that is connected with medicine quickly comes to my mind. They learn hard, harder than most others students in other universities. The level of their responsibility is astronomical (1 error and the patient will die). But they did not earn as much as others. In our countries their average salary is around 800-2500 EUR, depends on if you are nurse, helper or specialist. And I remember construction workers, who drive on latest model BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne, and all their knowledge is simple math for measurement, and they have physical strength. Back in 2010s, even a construction workers helper (a guy whos duties were moving materials) earned 30-50EUR per day. Then we get this topic where people talk about white and blue collar discrimination.

Should I remind you that teachers are underpaid? in fact, here in my country teachers are most unrated profession with the lowest pay in the salary scale. The doctors, engineers, lawyers and the rests with higher payments are being trained with the help of this teachers. Until we start to consider to teachers and show concerns over their payments, we are not ready to discuss about this pay discrimination. Doctors case is much understandable since they deal with lives and they are not suppose to be bothered with anything that can divide their attention. There is nothing that can cause distraction better than poverty. While we are having this discussion, remember some sets of people are sitting in one building saying "my lord" and they will receive a huge amount at the end every month. The system is just designed to favor some group of people.

In my country teachers are also receive less than I think they should earn. I suppose in your country teachers also go on strike due low salaries. However you know that there is always "but". Dont know about your country, but in my teachers from small towns, or better say not from capital or top5 largest cities are the one who earn low. Do you know how teachers salary is formed? They have sort of a stake system. The more lessons you give, the more you earn. Music class teacher earns less than math class teacher. All teachers earn differently.

Like I've said before, if someone earns low, then he allowed others to pay him low. In example with teachers, they have chosen to be teachers on their own. Teachers never earn a lot, so they knew what they were coming. Those who complain that they earn low, there is always a possibility to find a better job. Maybe not instantly, maybe not even in their city or country, but there are jobs. So instead of sitting, complaining on faith, they would better stand and act.

Addressing teacher pay disparities demands a deeper look at the payment system. Personal decision and the economy both matter. A complex web of supply, demand, and social values. Your salary structure illustrates a deeper issue: the need for a balanced approach to remuneration that incorporates quantity and quality of work. Education should be valued as a whole, not merely as its components

And then, bitcoin changes how we view and handle finance. Bitcoin provides a decentralized, transparent alternative to the old financial environment, not just a simpler transaction method. We support Bitcoin because we want a fairer financial system. A system where a profession like teaching is valued for its social value rather on obsolete economic paradigms

It is all about supply and demand, and not even at global scale, it is on a local scale. So for example, imagine someone being a high skilled surgeon, normally that is a very high paying job isn't it? And another person who is a plumber, not a high paying job is it?

Well, if you put 100 people in a room, and hire based on their skill, if 10 of them are high skilled surgeon, and only 1 plumber exists, that plumber will make more money. So it is all about supply and demand, it will make you feel a lot better about it. I think it should be focused on what you could bring to the table and how unique it is. In some cases white collar is paid more, and in some cases blue collar is paid more, depending on the supply and demand structure of that place.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

People doing skilled jobs do deserve fair compensation and in many situations the market does provide this. If someone has skills that require a good education, they will be able to demand higher wages than most unskilled jobs. However you should not necessarily get good pay just because your job is hard or unpleasant. Many cleaners will be on minimum wage, but they have the mobility to find other jobs or retrain. The trouble is that anyone can fill that position with very little training and at the bottom rung of the labor market there is plenty of competition. You should also not stifle progress, take a supermarket worker for example, some have been replaced by self checkout machines, but this could free people up to do other more interesting work.

I think it's because that they earn commissions from the parcels that they delivery as a courier. Or if there are some sort of bonuses or perks relates to their productivity. That's possible but it's the same as working as an admin or staff in a company but it's way easier. While couriers are at the roads at most times, they really love doing their jobs, driving and going elsewhere. And yes, the tips are also a bonus to them if ever the customers are generous.

People with skills requiring a good education can demand higher wages aligns with the principle of value recognition in the job market. Difficulty or unpleasantness in a job doesn't necessarily warrant higher pay underscores the importance of market demand and competition. People in less skilled positions having the option to seek other jobs or retrain emphasizes the importance of adaptability and mobility in navigating the job market. It recognizes that the labor market is dynamic, and individuals have the ability to explore different opportunities or acquire new skills.

While automation might replace certain roles, it can also open up opportunities for people to engage in more interesting and fulfilling work. This perspective sees progress and technological advancements as catalysts for evolution in the job market, potentially leading to a more diverse and engaging range of occupations.

its complicated world we live in, in the marketing section the salary might be low but the bonus is high, it all depends on how important the job to the operation of a company in case of delivery company courier is the reason they could get the job done, of course they will incentivize completed delivery and will try to give a way for the courier to earn more so that they become more diligent in delivering the goods.
thats the complicated thing with having a job we should be smart enough to determine the potential earning and whether we can maximize our earning.
because otherwise we might get tricked and instead got the most stressful job with low wages.
but from business perspective this kind of thing giving incentives to the section that did most of the job basically the lifeline of a company is the most essential thing its the reason a company flourish.

Any country will suit. I will try to compare. Administrator works 5 days a week, 9 to 17 and has a fixed salary. Courier can work 7 days a week from 9 to 21 plus he get tipped. In my company sys admin earns around 1900 EUR, while courier earns around 100 EUR per day minus taxes delivery app fee for same working hours. Lets say it would be 60 EUR netto. Add more 2 working days or hours and courier earns more. Anyway he wont be able to work in such tempo for months.

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

Proper word will be not equal, but adequate their responsibility salary. Otherwise it will be a world collapse if professional worker or someone with diploma will earn the same as someone whos work require no special skills. It will dishonest, and people will go to work where work is easier. No one will study years to become a doctor, but instead will go to work as an administrator in nail salon.

Everyone deserve work and salary. But the amount of salary must be determined by amount work done or amount responsibility taken.

The thing about current life that we have right now, is the fact that the free market decides their worth, you can say that is a good thing, you can say that it is a bad thing, but without UBI, it will leave some people poor.

A music teacher could be something that you can find easily, there could be a lot of them, and the "importance" the culture put into them could be lower, whereas a math teacher could be something harder to find, and that is why they can charge more, and the culture could care about that a lot more. In that situation, people who are math teachers would of course earn more, because they are more in demand.

This free market understanding could be something awesome, if we could just have UBI, that means, if everyone can provide money for shelter, food, health and education, nothing more, I do not mean like a mansion, not lobster every night, not private high edge medical care, I mean just basic human needs, if they can be covered, then free market is awesome, because poor would be covering their basic needs, and rich could build rockets to send their cars to space.

Of course many people think as you say. A company will not progress without a great director, and a director will not be great without employees who are ready to work hard. This is mutual attachment.
But why is everyone's salary different, even the janitor's salary is lower than all other employees.

But we can ensure that the education level of all the people working in the office is definitely different. The higher the education level, the higher the salary you get. Apart from that, the level of experience and length of time they have worked can also influence the amount of salary they receive.

So when we are only able to work as a janitor, never envy those who are able to prepare financial accounting. No company has gone bankrupt because of a janitor, but many companies have gone bankrupt because of financial mismanagement.

Then who is able to take care of the financial sector? Those who have a high level of education, of course with the position of director.

This means that the director's risk is higher than that of the janitor.

Then, is it appropriate for them to receive more salary than others?

I don't think so. I think in most Western countries the power tries to protect those who are weak from bullies' attacks and  this kind of governments are so strong that even in less developed countries governments act like they are doing the same. I think your government is fooling you paying you little and saying that everyone everywhere "gets only few bucks for their hard work". Overthrow your government. Many millions of people around the world live better lives because they did it at some point, in some places peacefully and in others not so, but there's enough resources for everyone in this world and governments that tell their people otherwise while robbing them should be overthrown.

Sad reality but it is what it is but let's be practical do you think if all people has the same rate or salary will there be a system inthe world or will therr be a balance? i know it harsh, but I don't discriminate in fact I salute those minimum wage earners but the thing is this is the world works, there will be people who will stay minimum wager no matter what they do, let's be real there is no such world where all people have the same status or in the same boat because if those then what will happen to us? Chaos without order, that's why we can only survive on our own, because no one will help us nothing but us, so what should we do? No matter what people say about your job keep on living because if you stop then you will starve, it is not a sin to be poor but dying still being poor is your fault.

Work that is easy and can be done by many people without the special skills and responsibilities that must be had will certainly have a value that is difficult to get from what is done, and this is a cause and effect that cannot be avoided.agree that with the potential to have a special profession that is needed by users, they will get added value, which will certainly get a decent award.But don't turn a blind eye; there are still references to influence in every job that entrepreneurs sometimes don't make sense to do because of proximity or acquaintance.It is indeed better to be an entrepreneur for work done to your own ability and to get appreciation from those in need.

The free market determines everything. Nobody should think that they are gods and that they can fix things by taking on certain tasks... For example, if there are not enough carpenters in a region and the demand for carpentry work is increasing, carpenters make a lot of money. Everything is as simple as that. If society's needs change and they prefer mass-produced furniture with minimal designs, carpenters will earn less money and the carpentry profession will fall out of favor... Everything is about the balance of supply and demand. Coercive interventions into this balance from outside are the same as playing god...

I believe wages are determined by a combination of the value a worker brings and the dynamics of supply and demand. For jobs with low skill requirements and abundant worker supply, the pay is typically low. Even with low pay, applicants abound. So, why would the company raise wages? However, when worker supply is scarce, even for blue-collar jobs, companies offer higher wages due to the critical need for their workforce. Ultimately, supply and demand dictate wages. White-collar jobs have higher skill requirements, leading to a smaller talent pool and generally higher pay compared to blue-collar jobs.

I do think there should be a pay correction but more than that, there should be a drastic pay raise for everyone, the current minimum wage isn't a good amount of money already to survive daily so I believe that a big raise in salary in all collars of job is a must and not to mention that this debate is just a thing that will divide the workers so they don't see that it's the big businesses that's the problem
 Before anyone can say that it's impossible to do a raise, a lot of companies have already done that and they've gotten more profit because they've got a happier employees that are willing to work for them.

The free market is a beast of its own making, but to imagine it gets by without human intervention is foolish. Leadership shapes the atmosphere where wealth and scarcity occur, yet to disregard this is to overlook half the story. Policies and laws set the setting for leaders. They create the market's sandbox, opposing and uniting forces

Monopolies might restrict competition, patent trolls could inhibit innovation, and sectors could collapse under short-sighted greed without good policy. It's not about intervening for the sake of intervening; it's about making the game fair, getting the rules right, and making the market truly free, not just for the major players. Thus, the appropriate leader may improve life by protecting the values that keep the market dynamic and open to everybody

I am not after discriminating any of the above categories but I can say to this that it there must be district of payment differences, then "technical job nature"  in both white collar or Skil based job should should be considered an utmost more payable. This is as a result of working critically and mathematically in other to bring results or achieving a a goal (target)

That will surely cause inflation, and then even the big salaries those companies you mentioned are already paying to their employees wouldn't be enough to survive. If someone thinks he's not paid enough for his work, he should be looking for another place, where he will be appreciated. And everyone is not paying enough, then maybe the profession isn't exactly in high demand and you you should switch to another one.

because there are so many people doing it like that, so they are scrambling to do it so that their payment for wages will be low because people are competing to do it, they can learn from their family or from their friends at no cost, in contrast to workers who are paid well, because they need money to learn the skills, and not everyone wants to learn that.

I do not think we should be ranking fair job pay based on how mentally or how physically draining the job is. If there are too many blue collar workers, then obviously the job market will be over saturated and no boss will wish to pay anything but the cheapest rate. And due to blue collar jobs not requiring any higher education, basically everyone is qualified.

Jobs that are easier to obtain get paid less due to the fact that almost anyone can do them. Too much competition is bad for job pay.

The market regulates itself. At least that is how I see it.

This is something that everyone does to realize or they realize but they dont accept it. Easier to get jobs are plenty, gig workers are in huge number does not mean that their job pays huge as per the amount of physical labor they have to undergo or mental pressure they have to sustain and the lack of job security.

That person who worked their youth off earning a degree and is now using it to apply their skills and get paid, deserves it too and hence the pay discrimination will always be present.

Hence people should not be lazy and work hard to find their passion and pursue it to be able to reach a job that is keeping their satisfied and paid.

That is the reality in the field, because each person's abilities certainly vary, it's just that here we need a little wise language if we really need them from workers who are Man Power. However, on the other hand, there are also those who are skilled in their fields, even though their work looks like they do what we visually see falls into the category of manual work. Regarding sales, there are always differences between skilled and unskilled workers.

Nothing humans actually do to improve themselves is a waste. While there are those that goes through some institutions of formal learning, some might go through some technical schools while others might just attach themselves to established persons in a skill with hopes of learning and acquiring that skill.
You shouldn’t expect there not to be a discrimination in the pay grade. Even on the forum, there is a discrimination on pay grade for campaigns based on attachment/experience as projected by the ranking.

There are careers with backings  and recommendations as against others and that’s what a very gives you as against someone that doesn’t have any certification. One who has gone through the stress and haven’t spent resources in acquiring a certification and practical knowledge in a field definitely deserves more.

It's hard to learn and be good with that. Some talented people can say that it is for them and the majority of us would just avoid any type of work related to it.
And for that reason the pay is much higher for the talented ones and to those that don't have much experience and can't deliver good results to the company at the beginning might just receive the starting salary very low.

Improvement is necessary; no one disputes that. Let's get to the point: value, right? Formal education, technical training, and mentorship all have benefits. The catch: value isn't viewed equally. That's reality, not cynicism. Pay grade discrimination is about how you use what you know and who you know. Certifications are important, but so is innovation and adaptability. Think Bitcoin. It defied convention, and look where it is. Adding something unique is key

Those with credentials and experience? Of course they deserve praise. We shouldn't ignore self-taught geniuses. They work hard, learn, and push boundaries. In addition to climbing standard ladders, you can build new ones for others. We must embrace that spirit