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Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

Well, that's subjective and your friend who will choose to support his club rather than making profit might be happier in such way and we cannot blame him not call him stupid for doing so; we are doing everything for our own reasons. If choosing the profit will be better on your end then that's fine and should also be with the other way around. This is a matter of being a fan and being a gambler; if you're more of a gambler then it's normal for you to favor what will give you profit than to be firm with your bias or fanatic. On my end, I would also choose profit but I still do understand those who won't.

We have our own reasons; some are gambling to make profit but there's a few who are here for their entertainment and that includes accepting loss for the sake of enjoying your bet. Imagine how great his feelings would be if his team would win. He'd for sure feel good of himself and that's priceless to some people which makes it valid, subjectively.

This issue has been discussed many times here on the forum. And it still stand as a very important topic of discussion. A lot of people take this fan club thing to a very high extent, which to me is very unnecessary. Yes you can be a fan of a very good club but then not all match will determine their win. So we shouldn't be stupidly blinded by the love for a club and want to loss to them. All these won't even matter to them. When we place bets, our goal is to be on the winning side and not just because we like the club but so we can make profits from their victory. So we shouldn't be so loyal to a club even when they are losing, it makes no sense

Besides entertainment, betting on sport is also a venture to seek to pocket some money,  depending on whom one asks, that is something positive or negative, but keeping that part aside... I think it is more logical for us as bettor to give priority to profits, rather than just focusing on whether we personally like or not the team we are betting against.
Though, I would perfectly understand in the case someone would not dare to bet against their beloved national team and decided not to bet at all, instead.
Betting and gambling have both much to do with the way we control our feelings, and this specific escenario we are talking about is a good example of when we are supposed to have self-control and take a choice.

Actually it's true because some of these set of gamblers that don't care how much they are risking on the team they support is becoming weird. However it's important to know when to gamble or not because when one gamble because of the kind of love he/she has for the club it makes it worse because to decide when to bet on them or not. Because it's the club they supports they won't check their performance they will just bet because they believed that the club will perform well. But it's important for them to know that game is not like that, most on tournaments, every club wants to win and if you are underestimating the opposite club on any tournament it might not end well for them because the other teams also want to win and take the trophy. So am only trying to say that it's not too good to decide on a game based on the kind of love you have for them.

Sports betting isn't just about loyalty. It's also about the money. For some people, winning a bet is everything; financially and personally. While loyalty means a lot, it's also logical to mind the financial aspect of your betting. And everyone is entitled to their own priorities and what drives them to place bets. But realizing that betting does involve real money is one step closer to responsible gambling. Loyalty to a favorite club can indeed drive us emotionally, but we also have to weigh our betting decisions financially. Placing those wagers with a clear mind and being wise will help keep that balance between emotional support and healthy financial management.

I try not to bet against my teams, especially the national team, but if I had to make the bet, knowing that the team is weak and will probably lose, I'd bet against them.
It's stupid to sacrifice money to later brag that you are a real fan who will bet even against all odds. Why would you lose money on purpose to prove how tough and dedicated you are?
The way I see it, if yo feel bad about betting against your team, don't do it. If you don't, do it, it's just a bet, your team will not care. The players get a lot of money for that match even if they lose. 

Just let those people do bet according into their emotion and not really that wanting to take up some consideration on picking up on which one does have that higher chance of winning.There's no way that we could really be able to make them getting convinced that they should really be having that another approach on which it would really be that understandable that you would really be needing up to stick into those bets
on which it would really be that likely to win up the game. It would really be just that too impossible that you wont really be able to recognize specially into those highly favorite on which you would really be that assuming that they are likely to win but since you are really that a die hard fan with the other team then you would really be choosing it up instead.

Well, its not really that on someones business on where you would really be placing up your bets since its your money afterall but we do know that when it comes to odds of winning then highly favorite
would really be able to win up. Even on just basing with your own analysis and approach then high chances that you would really be losing up a certain bet. But somehow minding up about possible or potential
comebacks or upsets then this is where you would be also making up money on going bets against favorites.

When to see fans breaking TV, valuable things from their home and other useful things, it's not because of their loyalty for the club that is making them angry, some of them are high risk gamblers that think they know too much about their clubs and when they bet money on their club and the club do the opposite of what they don't expect, they go loose and act like a crazy clown but I don't blame, too much risk is what makes them behave in that manner.

Loving club is one thing and winning money is another different thing entirely, you can't be supporting your club when the are playing nonsense and you know very well the right thing to do. If you think the are going to lose and you are sure about that, don't ever make mistake of thinking because you emotionally think they will win or believe in them, you decided to change mind, your money will burn and you will win nothing.

The main reason why sports bettors fail is due to loyalty to their team. We cannot be biased and just trust our team because it will not work in the long run. Bookmakers see that and believe that the majority of bettors bet with their heart and not with their mind, which is why they set up a line that could easily attract them. In fact, that line is just a trap, resulting in more losing experiences than winning. If we can't analyze with our mind while betting, we should just stop it and simply watch the game, enjoying rooting for our team without risking money.

Some fans are always fanatical about their favorite team and they are even willing to spend money for anything that is important for the favorite team to win the champions league title, but it is too ridiculous for me to lose $500 because for me it is big, I will bet on any winning team even against the current with the opposing team not the favorite team.

Is your friend a Real Madrid or Manchester City fan? If he bets on his favorite team winning the championship is still very possible because these two teams are still likely to win the title.

Me too, I'd choose to win than to see the club or team that I really like win. If it is about our bets, we have to secure ourselves first.

We don't need to be a diehard fans for us to be called a fan. The club will still earn even if they lose to a game. But us, we'd lose money when they lose and we don't have salary after that.

Loyalty is within the hearts but when money is talking and you're betting with or against them, yourself and your bet is what you should prioritize.

Everyone is free to do what makes them happy. As for the die had fun if he feels that betting against his club would make him on happy day he shouldn't bet and he shouldn't discourage the next person from betting because loyalty differs from one person to another. If there are no financial rewards attached to be a fan of a football club as we can see, then I see no reason why I shouldn't bet against them when the chance is of me winning money is high. I may be passionate about a club but I draw the line when money is involved. Even some employees of the club with bet against them.

My dear, these clubs are making their money real good and wouldn't gamble with any opportunity to make more money for themselves and the team members as a whole are living large. I would never gamble any opportunity to make my own money because of assumed loyalty. I would regret it for a long time if I ever tried that bullshit. Yes, that guy that would gladly loose the bet is not Loyal but very stupid 
The only loyalty I show my favorite club is buying their most recent jerseys and putting it on to viewing centers, watching their every match and following up every detail about the club and its activities. When it has come to giving me losses in my bets, it's not loyalty anymore.

To me this is an easy question, when gambling you should have only one purpose and that is to win your bet, if you think you have better chances picking a different team than the one you root for or you even bet against them, I do not see anything wrong with that and that does not make you less of a fan on my eyes, however it is clear that for those that plan to support their favorite team no matter what, such an attitude may not sit well with them, but let them think whatever they want, as you will be the one with more money on your pocket at the end.

I am not even a fan of any club because I saw no reason of being a fan of any club. If I am a fan of a club and someone  asked me that I should take my club to win but that I would lose $500, or the club that I am supporting or that I am fan of should lose and I would win $500. I will choose to win $500. I can not afford to lose because of the club to win as the club can not afford to lose for me to win. The club does not care about me and I do not care if it comes to money.

Ordinarily I cannot question people for the choices they make, I try as much as possible to respect it, even though I see that, it doesn't make much sense. As for me, haven been a gambler all this years, I'm only loyal to my gamble as long as it pays me, that includes betting against my favourite team to lose, especially in a situation where I know that they don't stand a chance to win, this is gambling and money is involved, emotions has little role to play.

A passionate football fan, might find it difficult to wrestle through the murky waters of gambling as he/she will be too emotional to take strong and decisive decisions when predicting because he/she will find it difficult to place a bet against the team his supporting, forgetting that gambling goes beyond you being fan.

I just don't bet against or on the teams that I like most of the time (except for the knicks) but either way I don't bet against them.  Just can't do it.  I bet for entertainment and I watch my sports team for entertainment.  One would cancel out the other no matter the price so I figure what's the point.  I know people that do and just see them so conflicted when I watch the game with them lol.

I agree with the second friend who pointed out that the first one was being stupid for wanting to lose a bet that’s up to $500 just because he’s a fan of the team playing.

There are games which after analyzing I discovered that there’s a slight chance of my prediction being correct because of the strength of both teams, I usually just favour whichever team has a player that I like and the amount I use for such bets are usually little amount so that I won’t regret going for my favorite player.

Between Portugal and Spain I did the same thing but used a tiny amount from my bankroll, it became more like a fun game for me trying to see if my favorite player (Ronaldo) would actually be able to win and make me keep my bankroll untouched or make me lose the amount I bet - if it was a bigger amount I definitely would have gone for the best team even if my team or favorite player was involved.

this question has been asked and discussed many many times. Of course I completely don't care of my "favorite team" if they can win or achieve a loss since I want make money with my bet. Of course Best of option would be have both event (winning bet ... by favorite team) but this is not always possible and gamblers must be aware of that...

He really is stupid for having such thoughts. Money matters in gambling. Even if I'm a fan of that team, I'd rather bet on the other side if I see that my favorite team clearly doesn't stand a chance. If I ever bet on my favorite team, it's not because they are my favorite, it's because I want the high odds. One shouldn't do sports betting if they're just going to base their pick on favoritism.

I'm also on the same side as you OP, winnings over supporting the team because you don't easily turn down some free money. It's always better to go for the winning bet unless the team i'm supporting is the best in the league so I don't have to bet against them. Also, it doesn't pay to be a diehard fan and that other friend sounds unreasonable when his friend is just taking advantage of the situation to earn some money.

When it comes to sports betting we have to give up our emotions completely because if we hold on to our emotions we will lose our money. We may have our favorite club but if a strong opponent plays against our favorite club then we have to leave our club and bet in favor of that strong team as it will be more likely to win. If the club loses, I may feel bad for a while, but later on, if the club wins again, we will rejoice. We understand that it would be foolish for us to bet in favor of our club knowing that a strong team will be playing against us. It may be our favorite club but we must understand that the money that will be lost from our pocket for gambling but the club will not give us. If it is too difficult for us to bet against our favorite club then at least we should refrain from betting on that match so that at least one match bet money is protected.

Haha, I also experienced the same thing where having team that really like, but on the other hand are also gambler who likes sports betting, of course this is something that might be considered disloyal to the team are for favorite.
But basically, being fan of football team and also being gambler, have to be able to really have good attitude, we have to be able to consider everything more accurately so that we don't get disappointed and on the other hand don't lose the bet.
Moreover, our favorite team will not play every day and this is why there is always another team that we choose in the betting options in every match when our favorite team does not play.

In cases like this when someone says bad things about what I do then it is not something that needs to be thought about, the most important thing is that we really make one team the favorite to win the title and can still take advantage of all the opportunities in betting.
I sure that if they are gambler who really likes sports betting then they will also be sure to do the same thing by taking advantage of all the matches to be able to take opportunities and profits.

My club will earn money from every game, and from every stage in a competition that they get to. For the UCL finals, the team that finishes second will still earn a considerable amount of money finishing second, so they are not completely loosing. It is somehow a win win. Also, since my club has won the UCL before, and not just once, it doesn't matter if they loose this time. A person who supports a club that has never won the champions league and may never win it if they miss their chance after getting to that stage in the competition may choose the club to win and them loose the bet.

Club loyalty is no bad a position to take for any gambler but if we are to analyze things this way where when the club loses a match the players are still paid their wages despite the loss of the game meanwhile for the gambler you lose your bet you get nothing because it's a lost bet. And it's for this reason, I'll will choose winning my bet over loyalty for club, maybe my loyalty to my club should be firm in times of banter between rival club fans but not deliberately betting on them when it's obvious in a game they are gonna lose especially when they are having a bad season.

if you're a regular visitor to betting shops you will observe that this is a trend that happens when clubs like Manchester United are playing against Manchester City or Chelsea is playing against arsenal. Most Chelsea fans would choose to stake in favour of thier club not because by the teams standard they can win arsenal but just to pump up thier ego that they really believe in the said club. For me, that's what being a sports man entails, you don't only support your club when it's obvious they can win certain matches, you support them at times when they are playing against a tougher opponent and even though they might not directly witness the effect of your support, thier is this joy you feel even though they loose the match that you've still supported them.

We've had countless experiences iny area when we're watching match and arguments will spring up and they will ask you question like, Did you even play that your club will win? its at that point they will know if you're a true supporter of your club. People sometimes just play such bet just to boast thier  ego but in the long run it's always best to moderate it. If you're playing a single game in a slip, you can choose to look at club loyalty but when you've got multiple games on your slip, it's best you really more on your analysis and not just your emotions.

I kinda like the winning bets,  thus would not be biased to any loyalty when the name of the game is the potential  extra potential money in my pockets. Every once in a while my loyalty resulted in empty pockets, thus  I have found that it is hard to be loyal to anything beyond them, though I always gamble, fate will judge me.

From this situation i just remember about Drake and we have been discuss about this because at that time his country Canada was fight against Argentina at Copa America and we all know from whole conditions Argentina is much better than Canada but he still insist to bets for Canada although he know the possibilities to lost his money is quite high and it just happend that Canada lost and Drake also lost huge of money and some people considers he is risky taker but some of people too considers this is nationalism because although he know Canada will lost but he didn't betting against his country

Everybody know when people starting to do sport betting because they want earn money so sometimes we should be ruled out about being fanatic fans because if there is any chances to earn money from our favourite teams then as a gamblers we should be bets against our favourite teams but for me personally i am football fans and i do have my favourite team and i am not a fanatic fans but so far i never bets against my favourite team because if i win from them i don't feel comfortable

And that's the wise thing to do.

I am also loyal to one of the teams in a different league and there are times my emotions will get the better of me because of being a hardcore fan of that certain team. But, I learned my lesson after losing a lot of money on that series. We cannot stick to one even though it is obvious that they are going to lose the game. The odds are already in favor of the opposing team which means we have to think straight about our next decision. If a handicap is available, take it, sometimes it does help to win a bet, that way you are still supporting your team while having a chance to also win the bet.

Betting on favorite club to win is not the only option to support. If it is obvious that favorite team or athlete will lose, dont bet, but instead, buy a tshirt with name on it and cheer during the game for example. Actually, I dont understand how loyalty and betting even work together. Clubs or athletes dont organize their own betting casinos. But if someone still feel somehow unfair after betting on opponent and winning, then this person can donate amount won to favorite club or athlete.

No matter what we do it's important to focus on getting payed, I would go with winning the bet instead of following loyalty to my favorite club, at the end of the day if you stake a high amount of money on your favorite club knowing fukly well that their opponent is might give them a tough time only puts you in loss, these players are getting paid whether they win or lose a game, you can't always get moved by loyalty, to me I consider it as being irrational, it's almost like your deliberately throwing your money away

I love and support my club so much and I will argue with anyone who talks down on my club. I will walk under the rain just to go and watch my favorite club play every weekend and week days. But when it comes to placing a bet against them that will make me cash out I will go with the bet and win my money. The club is doing their business and at same time they are also entertaining their fans, so I will also do my business and support them as well. A dime will never enter my pocket if the club wins the Champions league, but I will still use my money to buy the new kits for the new season, so I have to go with the $500 because if the club don't win the Champions league, they made their own money as well.

2 different perspective, the first person can be said as non real bettor because he does not care of losing his money as long as his favorite club win the title.
On the other side, the 2nd person can be said as real bettor because the main purpose is exactly to make money from betting.
Real bettor although he is also a fan of a club, will not bet on his favorite club if he thinks that the chance to win is so low.
Logically why we would throw some money away just to bet on our favorite club when we are sure that our favorite club will not win.
This is why when it comes to favorite club, we should not use our emotion only just to prove that we are real fans by betting on them.

The essence of gambling is to hit a win but if one choose to be loyal to his/her club then good for the person. But in gambling it is good when people take away sentiments and understand that gambling is just a game and it doesn't mean for one to too stick to the club he belongs to. When gambling we bet by supporting the team that is more superior in strength to win the weaker club. We all know the strength of our respective club, and if their is a stronger club playing against your own club which you are aware of it, then why not play the game and win some cash. You can still gamble and still be loyal to the club you belong to.

Similar topics have been discussed in other threads but the question still remains relevant because it's a hot topic of debate in different gatherings. My take on it is that betting the other team that is playing with the team that you support doesn't mean that you don't support your team anymore or you're not a loyal fan. If some of the key players in the team that you support are not going to play maybe due to injury and you think that the other team has higher chances of winning, I think that it'll make financial sense to bet on the other team to win.

I know that we have die-hard fans that will go ahead to bet on the team that they support to win in a match, even when every probability is indicating that the other team will win. It's their money and they're entitled to do what they want with it, I'll just hope that such fans will bet with the amount that they can afford to loose.

I choose winning bet because I don't have favorite team. With choosing any team that have a chance to win makes me can across the border to choose any team without feels bad if I can't support my team. That's a gambling game for me and nothing to lose for me if I do that because I am not a fan for any club. I don't want to lose $500 for my favorite team that doesn't have a chance to wins in the match because that will makes me crazy as that money is too big for me. Nothing wrong with that but if you are a fan of a club, that will makes you feels not right if you choose the opponent club or others.

People wants their favorite club win so they will choose their team and make them win the bet. But they should realizes their team can not always win the match especially if they meet a strong opponent. Although they still have a chance to change the situation, that will not easy because their opponent too strong for them.

This is just it. The club do not have its own betting site. So why should a fan be so foolish of knowing the club he is supporting would lose and still bet on the club. If the person bet against the club and the club lose, not that the club will lose more because the person do not bet on them.

It does not make sense and I see it as foolishness because if the club win and the person lose, the club will not give the money lost back to the loser.

That is true. If the bettors can afford to lose the money, he has nothing to worry about. But I can not do that. It would be like I saw the right thing but just decide to go the wrong way.

Sometimes there are personal reasons someone would wants their team to win but to me when it's obvious that they may likely not win then I  may either not place a bet at all or will have placed on the opposing team.

Though many have use betting against their team as a consolation of at least gaining more while their team disappointingly lose and I prefer this because I rather not take both Loss.

We must accept the fact that our favorite team can be superior on some teams and inferior on other teams. Even to the point if the other team has injured players, it will still beat your team.

So, if you have a chance to make a profit, then go for it; it's not that you are betraying your team. It's an opportunity for you to make money; as a gambler, that's an opportunity loss for making a profit if you're not going for it.

It's different if you're a gambler and an avid fan. If you are not a gambler, then don't bet and just support and cheer your team.
 

You choice then its none others business on how they would really be gonna be dealing with it. We do re ally know that there are people who are really die hard fans on which no matter what they do and see
then if they have seen up their team/club is on the line then they would really immediately making up some bets blindly even if they are really that on disadvantage. Well, its their money so its their right on which one they would really be choosing and which one they would really be supporting.For those sportbettors who are really that minding about winning then of course they would really be focusing into those teams on which it does have that advantage on which its normal. There are really that people who are really just that making themselves blind as long they do support their favorite team.

For me then of course i would really be choosing on whose on the advantage. Although it wont really be that precise anytime but at least you've sticken into yourself on choosing
on which does have that better winning rate.

If I'm not mistaken, one of the main rules in sports betting is: "don't put your feelings into gambling" based on this precept, when we are going to place a bet, we cannot bet based on the feelings we have for the team we are fans of. We have to look at the data that is before our eyes, such as whether the team has lost more or less in direct confrontations with the opponent, the results of the last 5 games, the quality of each team's squad, the performance of each team when playing away or at home. When we analyze all these points very carefully, then we can make a decision. If the decision is that the team we are fans of has a greater chance of losing, then we have to bet on the opponent and accept the result. If a person keeps putting feelings into gambling, then that person will be more likely to lose everything they have and become depressed.

Every bettor who likes sports has their own way and opinion, there are die-hard supporters and there are those who see more profitable probabilities than choosing their favorite team. We will find these various phenomena wherever it is, without exception. In fact, everyone has their own will and choice in determining bets. They are free to choose according to their wishes, even though the probability of losing is very high. It's just that they are brave and willing to do it. In addition, they are supporters who do not see other options other than choosing their favorite team. Sometimes, we can do things like that. It's just that, there is always a reason for speculation to choose a favorite team even though the ratio of losing is quite large. Football is unique, we will not implement the same policy in every bet. Sometimes emotional roles are involved in betting, especially in crucial matches such as the example in this thread.

For me personally, it all depends on the options given by the bookie. Plus, every decision must involve a rational choice. When choosing a favorite team and the opponent is a tough team, what percentage do we have if the choice is the favorite team. for me, it's not just about the club I love. but, how we can win the bet. I am the type of bettor who never chooses a team that is against my favorite team, but in fact there are other options that I can do. that's the use of research and analysis, so that we can choose other options than choosing a team. the option of two teams scoring goals, Under/Over and others like that are more ideal for me. regarding loyalty, all bettors have their own understanding.

In Esports, I am a fan of many teams. But I don't care how much loyalty they would count for because they're all good and this is a community that everyone knows that they're all loved by their fans and everyone who plays the game. If it's with the betting side, they don't mind who's going to side with them or not. As a matter of fact, there have been players that are not even loyal to their teams and to themselves, why? Because of the issues of throwing games so that they can win their own bets casted by another person or staff they own or someone close to them. And that's why loyalty means nothing in esports and the same goes in other sports or clubs that you all know of. It's just such a good feeling to be a fan of the sport that you really like but you have to be different in emotion when you gamble.

This is an old discussion but I will still give my contribution. I have passion for my club does not mean that when they are not performing well, I will still throw my money on them when I know that they will not win the game, I see that as a waste of funds.

I will bet against my club, if I know that it is a sure bet and they cannot outperform the club that they are playing with because they are underdogs. When it comes to gambling, I don't have a favorite club because I love to win always if possible and not losing.

There are many people whose attitude of being a diehard fan is affecting their brain not to bet against their supporting club just to appear loyal to a club that is doing their normal business, and cashing out big, not knowing that, there are some of their fans who are blind of not making some little money of placing bets against them when they are not in good form to win matches.

I see this kind of diehard fans who don't bet against their clubs, as those who are been sentimental about football. They don't know what bets are actually for, to bet for fun even against the team you are a fan of.

Just as I have a favorite team but will not have excessive loyalty, therefore betting on the team that will win it I just want profit even if the favorite team loses it doesn't matter.
It is possible to choose the favorite team and win the bet if they play with a low opponent, but we must be aware of the ball game sometimes even elite teams can lose in the champion league.

A truly rational gambler, someone that is interested in increasing their bank account, should be purely looking at it through a mathematical point of view. If the odds are worth the risk and indicate that your preferred team are on the losing side of the bet, then you should choose the bet that will win only. You don't necessarily have to bet against your team if there are many markets open, you could bet on the final total score or the amount of fouls that occur in the game instead. You'll find that many addicted gamblers have thrown all logic out of the window and chase these sort of superstitious ideas, but it just leads to losing money. Bet on your team if you like, but just do it for fun.

Therefore, I no longer idolize any team in the world,  at least to make me more comfortable betting. Because previously I had a favorite team, for example in Serie A there was Juventus, in England there was Liverpool, in La Liga there was Barcelona and of course in the Bundesliga there was Bayern Munich. But, after I actively bet at that time, at least it made me fixated because it was difficult to bet on the opponent they were facing even though, in reality,the opponent was better at that moment.

Due to this, it felt like I was not free, so I decided to no longer favor any team or idolize any team. Because then of course I can bet comfortably and after a long time has passed, of  course I can enjoy it. But indeed, of course there is no problem if for example you still idolize a team and then you also bet on the opposing team. Because after all,  I think it would be better to make a winning bet than to be stupid betting on your favorite team even though at that moment the opposing team's quality is clearly better.

The discussion is not about betting against your club when they are not performing well. It is about choosing between winning $500 and letting your club lose a Champions League final and forgoing the money so that your club wins the competition.

I have seen people spend thousands of dollars to go and watch their favorite teams. In my location, some loyal fans spend money on parties because the club won a trophy. When Chelsea won the UEFA Champions League, loyal fans had a lavish party that cost them so much money. So, I still believe that there are gamblers who will choose to lose $500 on a bet because they want to see their club win this prestigious trophy. Maybe I can conclude that rich gamblers are the ones who will be able to forgo this amount. While gamblers who are low-income earners will grab the sum since it is huge considering how much they earn.

Main things that should really be considered on which choosing up on which one you would really be making yourself that having those choices whether they would be focusing into emotional aspect or they would really be that basing up into that odds or chances of winning on which i do see  that majority of bettors who do really get in line with this thing rather than on focusing on showing up some support into their teams. It would really be basing up on someones personal choice whether they would really be loyal or not but just like on what most people been saying on here that we are heavily focused
on how we would be able to make ourselves that profitable into betting on which it wont really be something that you would be mindful about being loyal if you do know the chances are really that small
specially on winning a match.

Thanks for head up, I will not take the $500 because I will live my club and fans to celebrate the victory so that it will be recorded in history that my club won UCL. The reason why I said so is because many fans all over the world will be celebrating and like you said some person goes as far as throwing party because their club won UCL. That's the fun in it.

If I collect the $500 and my club lose the finals, it means that I am only after myself and a fake fan of that club because the money will finish and the defeat will become history, whenever a discussion of that match day is on. Money cannot history and records with trophies.

I will share a secret by telling, that the person who supports club or athlete will his all heart, does not have to share information about his bet with others :) Other loyal fans are not monitoring every fans action. What, a person can be expelled from fan club just for betting against?

People should be more reasonable and not mix money and something that attracts them. When people operate with money, they should always have a logical explanation of what they are doing. Bet against, win, spend more money further support.

Well, that's one way to put it; you don't have to be truly honest about it. That way, you can at least avoid being booed at by diehard club fans. Personally, screw club loyalty. I was never a die-hard fan of football to begin with; thus, I'm not the best example out there, but even if we suppose I was, I'd take a winning bet all the way. Time is money, and our money is coming through our work. I'm not going to take the risk of losing it in a game that seems impossible.

The question you should asked the diehard fan is that when was the last day s/he received free dollars from hIs club as a loyalist or even as a supporter for this period he has been there fan?
Let the truth be told many people are fooling themselves in the name of loyalty or supporters, see, listen don't get it twisted and I didn't say you shouldn't be a loyalist or supporters of any club but my question is that what do you gain at the later end being a supporter of a team and bet against yourself after which the said team qualifies and take their rewards homes to their respective families and you there dying and starving without any peanuts at home? I am equally a fan of a club but when it comes time gambling I gambling the win and secure my bags first then anytime i don't place bet I can keep supporting my clubs for the being.

When it comes to loyalty to ones club, some fans are 100% passionate when it comes to their clubs and would not mind losing their gamblings just so their clubs can win some very important trophies while there are other football fans who still supports their favorite clubs but will never want to lose a dime just for the success of their club and these two group of fans I think are absolutely right with how they've chosen to support their clubs.
For me, it depends on the importance of the trophy and how eager I want my club to win and how big and impactful the amount I'm supposed to win. I'll easily choose a gambling win that'll change my financial status quo over whichever trophy my club is supposed to win.

I think it is better to Prioritize the winning bet because you could gamble more and bet more on your club. Isn’t that a win-win situation? It’s not just being loyal to the club but making sure that you can go the distance.

It’s nice to focus on a club, but maybe you could try diversifying it as well.

I remember reading this same scenario or same manner of situation which a person consider their bet as support to the team.

This topic always create a divided answer since we have different perspective on how we view support to the team. For me, my bet doesn’t consider support to the team since there’s nothing to gain from my bet to the team. My bet is for my personal entertainment when watching the game.

Buying team merch and sending donations is what you can consider as support to the team while lose bet is considered as support to the casino.

I love my club but I would not intentionally lose my money for them. Gambling is a business to me when I am playing sport betting and I do not intentionally sabotage myself because I'm f my team wins, they share the money without giving anything to their fans. The club is their business and my support is my way of contributing to them. If there is a game I know my club can not win and there is an odd for me to make good money, I would not mind betting against them. If I win the money it can also help me to support my club more as I can have money and live more comfortably to watch matches often without being concerned about how to get money by going to work as I usually do. But if the match was a cup final, I will have to support my club despite my bets.

Fuck the club man I want to win. Besides, wouldn't yous ay that knowing when your club is going to lose is a testament to being a great fan since you know your team the best, both on strength and weakness? If I wanted to spend money on supporting my team and talk about loyalty, I'd spend it on merch and stuff where they get the money (or a part of it), not on bookies lol.

People who push the reason that they bet on a losing team because they're fans is well... I agree. Go do it! So I can profit off of you guys all the time ;D

I agree with you. I will never keep`passion and my hard earned money in the same row. I may have a favorite team. I will definitely love that but I am not willing to waste my money. Especially when I think that my team might be weak or losing. If I have support for that team I can support that team without betting if necessary but I don't want to waste money under any circumstances. I don't think I can find anyone who consciously bet on their team or club even if they know the situation. I won't go against favorite clubs but I won't bet there either.

I'm not a blind follower of any team that I support, and I have done so several times, betting against my favorite because they are a huge underdog and they have no way of winning the game.

There should be limitation on your being a follower of a team or a fighter you're not betraying them its just you want to have an opportunity to make money, its just being practical and I'm sure many gamblers or supporters are doing this.

You already stated that you don't support clubs blindly meaning your passion for the club is not that high else, I would have said it is a difficult thing to play against the club one support. Well, I know there are different levels of supports fans give to their clubs, maybe yours is the light type. As for me, I avoid playing the club I support whenever I suspect they will lose or have a hard time winning. I will simply remove the match from my selection or just play them base on goals so that even if they win or lose, as long as they give me the desired number of goals, I'm good.

I'll also do that unless your role is an avid supporter and you are not betting or a gambler. You can pass the opportunity to make an extra buck, but if you are a bettor, you will take that opportunity and bet against your team; there's no betrayal.

It's just that you, as a gambler, do not and can't pass an opportunity to win and make money; we gamblers are like that because not every day a chance to make money is presented to us, and you'll be a fool to ignore that opportunity.

I don't see a reason why I should give up a good amount of money I could win for my club, I'm not saying I'm not loyal enough or I don't love my team but I'm not willing to loose such amount I will rather not gamble on it instead because it will only mean that I'm just been a fanatic as I may not have much left with me at the end of the day and I will be regretting my actions.

Gambling is supposed to be for fun but every opportunity it avails for payment, shouldn't be undermined but rather explored and utilized maximally and that has been my view with how I gamble.

My all time favorite club is Real Madrid and I bet on Real Madrid in most matches. In many cases I win the bet and sometimes the result of the bet goes against us. But if I ever think that Real Madrid has a tough opponent and this match is more likely to be lost by Real Madrid then I refrain from that bet because I understand that my money might be lost so why would I risk my money unnecessarily. 

From my words like this you might think that I only bet for Real Madrid but no I always look for opportunities and wait for the big teams to fight against the weaker teams and accordingly bet for the stronger teams. 

Gambling with this strategy shows that the winnings are relatively small, but the chances of me losing money are much lower, and as a gambler I feel that this is a huge achievement for me.

If this is in our minds, it will clearly be detrimental to ourselves, what if our favorite club and team are greater than other clubs and teams, a situation like that cannot be brought into the world of gambling, it is better for us to just be supporters, without gambling supporters true.

It's true that someone's loyalty and fanaticism towards a club or sports team is hard to digest, no matter what we say, they stick to their stance, that's what fanaticism and love are, different from those who only do and think about gambling, they don't care about clubs and teams, as long as the bet is placed and profitable, they keep going.

That's a genius thought, that's a gambler's thought, who doesn't have a favorite club, but we have to choose between gamblers and supporters, you think wisely when betting.

I am a football fan from La Liga, but that doesn't mean I have to refuse $500. I mean, even though our favorite team looks like it will lose, there are many options that we can choose as support and can get victory from our bets.
For example, you can bet on a handicap of +1.5 or +1.75 for your favorite team and of course that already provides a decent odds to get profit even though it is not as big as when we choose a team that is not our favorite.

Choosing profit in football does not mean that we can be considered disloyal to our favorite team but it is a fact that no one wants to lose money in gambling.

My opinion is that you should separate fandom from gambling for winning if they can't be combined. That is, if your favorite team has no chance of winning the next match, then don't be stupid and bet on them to win. Bet on the team that is most likely to win and bring you profit. If the odds are on your favorite team's side, then you can combine the bet and as a result you will remain a loyal fan, and most importantly, with money. :)

Alternative solution:
fans don't have to bet on their favorite team to win, because they can bet on other events that are completely unrelated to the victory, such as the number of red cards, the total number of goals, etc. That is, fans can make neutral bets that don't tarnish their honor as true fans.:)

I see a lot of die hard fans of different clubs staking on their favorite club to win a match just because of club loyalty, but I don't it's a wise thing to do except if you are willing to just throw your money away.. winning the bet is more important than just trying to support your favorite club, you are not going to get paid for that...I remember when Chelsea played against Brentford in 2022 , considering the fact that they were in a bad form I didn't go with straight win cause it's my favorite club, instead my prediction was 12 and it turned out that Brentford won the game

Why would a person need to make a bet in the first place if they want to stay loyal to their favorite club? I mean, if you know that your club isn't the best side in a match but you don't want to be disloyal and bet on the other side, you can simply skip the game and make no bets. It's not like making a bet on your club will support them in any way, the sportsbook isn't going to send a portion of what has been bet on the club to their managers.

If I know that my favorite team is about to play a game against a team that is stronger than it, and I can't bear making my bet against them, I wouldn't make a bet, if someone else wants to do that because they want to earn money, I would say it's fair enough because I know my team will most probably lose the game.

It's a pretty simple thing and one shouldn't complicate it. Show moral support for your team, they don't need you to make a bet on them to show your support.

It's a matter of choice, bro. If the first guy can risk losing $500 just because he is loyal to his team, that means the amount is probably what he can afford to lose, and he may be gambling for fun and not for profit. But what he must realize is that his loyalty to the team cannot make the team win the championship. Even if he decides to lose $10,000 because of his loyalty to the team, that cannot make the team win unless the team is already destined (or had the grace and capabilities) to win the championship. 

I have my best team, which I support. Any time they have a fixture, I usually carry my analysis, and if I am not sure of their victory in that game, I will bet against them. Betting on my favorite team to win in a match when I am aware that they will be defeated is something I cannot do.

Obviously, supporting the club that we love is enough on emotional support and gal like that, but talking about money and about how to get a winning bet we also have to be realistic about this, although I also love the team that I support but I am not fanatical in looking for profits.

I'd rather get $500 than lose it, that's simple logic for me who likes to play in crypto and gamble, but maybe there are some people who have principles like your friend in this world, it's just that they are too smart in my opinion, LOL

lol, I don’t think the die hard fan is in a country like mine or maybe he doesn’t have to work so hard for things before getting them, that’s if he even has to work for him to prefer losing a $500 bet than bet against his club or player.
One thing people should under is that, gambling is a game and as such your primary goal is to win regardless of what other target you might have and if a gambler claims he would prefer to lose a bet because of his love for a club or player, then such a gambler should be tagged a careless or very unserious gambler.

If your bet ever comes down to club loyalty, you should probably just stop betting right then and there are reassess your situation.  I NEVER have club loyalty when placing bets anymore these days.  I learned from playing fantasy football quite some time ago that "betting with your heart instead of your head is a terrible idea".  I was picking my favorite players in drafts/plauyers from "my" team, and that ended up backfiring on me all the time.  Not a good idea.

I am sure that many "hardcore fans" would rather lose/give/do anything just to see their team win, they can be pretty much obsessed, so I wouldn't bother with their thinking. I am loyal to the game, and I like the game. There are teams I like more than others, but I will bet against them if I feel they will lose, I have no problem with that.

I guess we can make a difference between "true fan" and "true gambler", and somehow I am sure that the true gambler will go for the winning bet. We will enjoy the game, especially if it goes along with the prediction we made.

Majority of us will, we do know that winning would really be the main priority that we do really love to do and even on how much we do admire or like a certain team/player but doesnt mean that we will really be supporting them even if we do saw that they are on disadvantage on which only die hard fans would really be doing that, but for those people who do make up some bets for earning profits then pretty sure that they would really be sticking into those bets on which does have that higher chance on winning rather than on sticking into those teams or players on which you do saw that they do have that least chance.It would really be that impossible that you cant really be able to make up such comparison specially if you are that long time dealing with sports betting then you could be able to point out immediately about advantages and disadvantage.

Overall, it would really be just that depending on you, whether you would really be choosing up into those teams just because you do want/like/admire them? or you would really be of course making up that priority
into those teams who are much better than the other? It would really be just that depending on you but the answer for most people is really such pretty obvious stuff.
If you are really that liking to make bets just because you do want them for you to stick up with them then its your choice.

Real Madrid is a strong club with great players that even outside their domestic league I can comfortably bet in their favour against any team right now and even in the previous season that just ended, and that's because they are in a fierce form to which I don't see any team easily beaten them in a match, so if they get to be your favourite it's understandable.
As gamblers are meant to make realistic bets when selecting our games by doing away with emotions not hoping results will turn around when obvious it's written all over that the weaker team can't win the match.

I normally go for lower odd sizes too due to their high winning chances although it doesn't make it certain to win but there is where winning chances lies but the thing about lower odd size is that you have to stake with a handsome amount of money to be able to get a much potential winning figure.

I will always go for winning bet than my favorite club. Being a fan to any club or team is different from predicting in favour and against my favourite club. Money is always money and betting should not be affiliated with the club you support rather than the betting chances. Betting on your club when it's clear cut a failure to you when you know betting against them will give more chances of winning.

I won't for once make a known failed decision for the sake of loyalty when in true sense a management staff of the same club might choose the opponent over the club. I don't like people who take wrong decisions because of loyalty to clubs at the detriment of their bet winning opportunity.

Actually a good gambler doesn't stake on a particular club because is a fan of that particular clubs rather it will stake base on the a quality player in any club that playing against another, so it's wrong from perspective to stake because you're a fan of a of a particular club whe. You know quite well that your club you fan can not defeat their counterpart, as a good gambler what you have to do is to ensure you have examined any club that against any for the match you want to stake on, to know the gravity  of the both clubs before you will predict.

But some people doesn't consider such factors because I know very well that what we need to understand in anything that has to do with gambling is that you will be watchful and observed  the parties of club you are to gamble with, for the aspect of winning in gambling, I will say that winning in gambling should be as a result of opportunity because sometimes a newbie in gambling can stake different games in two different ways and it happens that it's lucky for one of the predictions to come to realities

There are two things involved in this, we first have the aspect of the club loyalty in which we may all render upon the very club in which we supported, the second is about the bet we are taking, have to do with the money we have and using them to gamble at our own risk for either winning or loosing as long as we achieved having fun, but it will be uncalled for if a gambler is in support of a team or club he already know will be defeated in a game, all in the name of being a fan, the same club will not be responsible for one if anything should happened to him later in life, a real gambler will also not see a big and well performing club on ground to now go after a small upcoming one and still stake on them for winning.

It's my money that is at stake so there is no way am choosing club loyalty over winning. However, it depends on the reason for gambling.  If they are in for fun then they can choose any of the options but when they are in for making lots of money. Not even their love or feeling for their club would concern them.  Most times i gamble if am picking my club i know what would probably happen at the end, so if i think they will loose of course ill choose them to lose but it doesn't mean i do not have passion for my club. Of course, I do want them to win by performance or by luck but deep down i want my bet to be won because that is a means for money.   

You're on point. Besides what's the need to spend money on a stake that you have absolutely zero believe that the game would come true. Though there are times where you become very much supportive to your team and you make bets even if the odds are high. There are times were I bet against my club, and times were I make bet on other options like the total amount of goals, corner kicks, shot on target.... If I'm not sure of what the result would be based on my prediction. That doesn't mean you have abandoned your club or something else.

It's insane to bet on the team you support when you know too well that they won't win or even by any chance draw the game. When you know that the team you support won outsmart the their opponents, you are the fan should change another safer options or don't stake instead. You have to spend your money wisely because even if the fan you support cuts your bet, they will still get paid and you that bets on them will lose, so it's better not to bet on them if you know that they won't perform as expected.

You know people are used to saying nobody pity their club like Arsenal, I'm one of those fans. I have leave my studies to go watch Arsenal matches many times than I could remembered but I have bet for Arsenal to lose match which they did. Winning and losing bets has nothing to do with your loyalty about the club you support but your true judgement based on what the league is playing, if your club is not good to win, why bet on to win, you can be emotional later after you have stake on your game as fans love.

People that will bet to favour their club been sentimental are not betting in my opinion, they are only putting money to what their mind want and what you want isn't what football does often times but how each team contribution performance is what to be used as judgement.

There are many things that are considered in stop gambling and the gamblers because you prefer to have your profit than your team to have their profit. This means you have more priority on yourself than that of the interest of the club you are supporting, while he who says that he would rather lose has more priority of his club than that of himself, which means he is not a real gambler but just gambles for the sake of sport, and mostly his gambling will be base-one football. and it will not be frequently, and that will prevent him from being addicted to gambling.
 
Although he is a real gambler, he will never prefer to lose his game just because of a club he supports, so everyone has his choice and decision to make, so I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Sports Betting vs Real "Sports Feelings"
:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278818.msg55280967#msg55280967

It's a topic that doesn't need a novel behind it to comment on it: "... the friend of a friend, of a friend, told another friend, that that friend...", it's the never-ending story.

The point is, that in that thread above there is a very good collection of ideas,anyway, no always it's not about money.So as long as there is a balance between the return and the risk of that bet, what's the problem? If you bet on your favorite team...

I'll take this comparison with companies and employment.

As an employee, there's no loyal employee that has a long vision to the company and are a typical jobhopper. But there are employees that are loyal to their own companies but they are taken for granted.

Majority if not all of the employees are for the money because that helps them/us to bring food to the table and that's wherever we'd go, that's the motivation. (Others might find this as an odd comparison but that's how my logic is on this topic.)

And as a gambler, money is the motivation as we gamble. Only a very few gamblers that are showing loyalty to the clubs that they are a fan of. But this isn't a big deal whether you gamble for money or for the sake of loyalty, you're the captain of your own ship.

If you select you bet based on a club loyalty it then means you are not gambling but just supporting your club and I will say there is no need to stake a bet on such match unless you know that you club will win at all cost which is not always possible to happen in football games because the results are always unpredictable and only the 90 minutes will determine who win and who lose, so if you are a fan of a club, it should be limited to not staking and just watching the match.
But anything that make you want to place a bet on such game, it has gone beyond being a fan to trying to gamble and at this point you shouldn't bring sentiment into your decision making process, best thing to do at this point is to pick the team that will likely win and wait for your luck to see if you win the bet or not, but keep loyalty out of the thought because if you follow such you are risking your money and you may likely lose the money when your club failed to win the match as you expected even though you analysis shows their are weaker but because you are a fan you still selected them to win.

I don't really understand that what is the connection of gambling with the Club loyalty. Here it appears that the friend you mentioned in the first case is actually stupid because there is no reason for his love for that club to decrease or increase with betting here.
In my case if Arsenal vs Southampton is playing and I am a Southampton supporter then even I am a fan of them I will place my betting on Arsenal because it is very clear that Arsenal will win that match.
The second friend is on the right track I'd say the first friend needs to make an appointment with a psychologist or else he'll have to sell his house and hit the road in a few days to show his loyalty to the club if he doesn't get kicked out the way he's betting.

No matter how much you love your club and no matter how loyal you are you will always want to choose money over the loyalty of your club and I think gambling will offer you something compared to choosing your club over money. we can say we watch football for fun and when it comes to gambling the fun is also there but their money will always be the focal point, the reason why people gamble we all know it already. and no matter how hazy you are to want to make money from gambling you still have to chill out because getting too excited when gambling can make you cross the limit and their things you have to avoid. choosing money over your club is not a bad thing at all, i do know that there will be people who will choose their club over money but since everyone has their choice for everything then they can go ahead to support their club.

That case is really funny. I have a friend who supports Messi and in 2012 Fifa World Cup final he wanted Messi to finally win the World Cup but he thought that France was a very strong team and he made a bet on France winning the world cup but deep in heart, he wanted Messi to win with Argentina, his reactions was very funny during the game, he was like a person with bipolar disorder.
Your case is exactly similar of this one but now let's seriously think, if your favourite team wins and you lose money, what's the point? You are not a club owner, you are not a club manager, you are not a relative of the player, you get zero financial profit if your favourite team wins when you have bet on its opponent team winning the match. I think it's better to be rational than a diehard fan but to be fair, I wouldn't bet against my favourite club and if I think they are losing, then I'll simply skip this match in my sportsbet ticket and go in the stadium to watch the game and support them without worrying about winning or losing money.

I have had to see people that did bet against their teams because, they weren’t playing good football, we’re under performing and not winning games regularly. So this fan gets to bet against his team because, he was almost sure they would lose and some times they do. Of course he cashes in on them but, it doesn’t make you a very good or supportive fan. you’re no fan at all eventually because, your loyalty ensures you stay true to the team.

Looking at the scenario described in the OP, it would be very reckless of any gambler, knowing that your team would loss and still, go ahead to place bet on them to win. That’s not some way to approach gambling. You gamble because you know by some statistics or your gut felling tells you, this could be and not the other way around.

That's actually good analogy. I am also on the side of winning the bet as you can also root for your favourite team while watching. But when it comes to taking the risk of your own money, better select the odds that you believe has high chance of winning. Do remember, at the end of the day, that team won't care if you lose or win. So better take care of your own business.

You are very correct, I think the best thing for a bettor to do since he or she is a fan of a particular club who is not in good form in a season is to avoid betting on the team, since you are not going to be refunded by the team you support whenever you lose betting on them to win I think you need to choose your money over the support for your club.

You can also make more money by betting against the team that you support when you realize that they are having a bad season and they find it difficult in winning matches if it's another opportunity for you to get against them so that you can make more profit. I remember betting against my team Manchester United when they were having a poor performance last season, I make more profit betting against them especially when the pick is in a single bet.

I do not agree with this. If you have studied both team and see that the chance of the team that is opponent to the club you are a fan of is very high, then bet on the opponent that it would win the match. Betting should not be that you are a fan of a club. Betting is about selecting the matches and odd that you would win. Just as you said in your other post, bet against your club if you think they are going to lose.

If there are such weirdos who are ready to bet on a guaranteed loss, you can simply advise them to give this money to the club they support or buy flags and banners that help fans support their team. Of course, such actions will look stupid. It is good to be a fan of the team, but it will be better to understand the strength and preparation of the team to say that you are a real fan. I would not hesitate to bet against it, perfectly understanding that my team is still too weak to hope for a win.

The reason why I said that is because most bettors don't like to bet against the team they support because of the love they have for the team, I witnessed a Chelsea football club fan who had a side bet with someone when Chelsea was losing 1:0 to another team last season. Every one was astonished because of what he did but the dude said he did what he did because of his love for his team Chelsea, I think the best thing is to have a good calculation of the team with the potential winning abilities before placing a bet but then when shouldn't forget the love that is attached to the team we also support.


The problem is that they won't even see it as a loss since they are blinded by what they see as the love for their club, in my region I can still point out few numbers of Chelsea fans who do some crazy betting when ever their team is playing against a better opponent I guess I will approach them with the idea you shared right here.

I would prefer winning on bets, but it's a case to case basis because being loyal is very hard to become consistent due to changes of decision making. Maybe we can be diehard for few days, but eventually we will see another options on other team that we seem to see capable with our analysis then we will pursue our projections to divert with them. Winning that huge amount could be doubled once there's potential on other team, so loyalty isn't guaranteed when it comes to betting with sports.

While we're living for ourselves and we don't live by the teams and clubs that we're supporting. At least by doing some bets depending on what's favorable odds to us, we'll do it.

And for these players and clubs, they're living from us whether we bet or not. They've got a fan base that's building their career and what's important to them is for them to win the match and so as us, what's important for us is to win our bets.

They have their own battle through matches and so do we.

We have different perspective regarding this and it's not surprising if someone is willing to lose the bet just to show support to their chosen club. But is worth it? If they win will they even recognize you as their fan? Well, it's better to be wise than to act as a fool. Because if that's your stance, then placing bet is unnecessary since you can support them by just watching their game. In gambling, aside from entertaining yourself, money is more important than loyalty, therefore I will go for the club with the high chance to win.

Nothing is more important in gambling than to see your bet winning, even if means betting against your club. We need to know that gambling promotes sportsmanship, so whatever you think will give you higher probability to win, then go for it, not sticking to the club just to show your loyalty. Otherwise, if they will call out your attention because you are betting on the opposite one, which I guess they don’t even care doing, they don’t promote being sports when it comes to betting decisions of an individual. Loyalty these days could be underrated, but we can’t do nothing about it because for us, money is more important as much as gambling is concern.

well for fan recognition there's a way that is been handled but there I'm not sure if there's any monetary reward and that alone gives me the better reason to think that its not worth loosing your funds that you wanted to use for something else and the gamble to loose because there are certain losses that you can foresee even before you think of placing a bet so it will be better to make adjustments than trying to be a fanatics.

We don't know, maybe he was only playing as a way of showing a support to his favourite team? I think this can also be considered as playing for fun even though the outcome of our bet is a loss. Lastly, maybe the guy was filthy rich and he don't care at all losing an amount like that.

This is the good thing about sports betting because our analysis can matter a lot, however if we are only playing for fun or to show our warm support to our favourite teams, then I think it's obvious that there is no need to do an analysis because if we do, we might get tempted to bet on the other team if we found out that they have a better chances of winning.

I also have a favorite club. And I think I am a loyal fan. But winning a bet and betting on your favorite club are two different things. I also prefer to win $ 500 than "hope" my favorite club will win even though facing a tough opponent. I will be realistic for every bet. I think we can show our loyalty in a better way. I like to collect my favorite club's jersey every season. I also try to follow every match. I know the history of the club and know the club's legend. Loyalty is not in your bet, but in your knowledge of your favorite club.

It's true, we should know that our favorite club is make their money and we have to make ours, so any of the game which we know that they won't win, we should avoid to play them but we should endeavor to watch the game. If I bet a multiple bet and include my favorite cloud and the rest of the games I played did absolutely well but only my favorite club spoiled the whole thing I will definitely dislike them for a while because they spoiled the whole games. So for me to avoid those kind of scenarios I prefer not to bet on my favorite club anytime my instincts tells me that they won't win the game.

That is a way better way to show your support to your favorite team than betting on their favor, after all whether you win your bet or not, the club will not get anything out of it, however by buying some of their products you are directly supporting your favorite team, so those that claim that in order to show your support you have to bet on favor of your favorite team are way off base, since if you think about it there is no relationship between those two factors at all.

When it comes to gambling then of course the hope is to win, this is no longer about choosing the team you love, but about choosing a team that basically has a chance of winning. After all, even if you love a club but at certain times you play against a team that you can be sure of winning, then at least you can still provide support by watching the match. But after all, at least you can know about betting yourself and no one else knows your choices and so, I think it's still fine if this is done.

But indeed, maybe if you feel that this is not true or refers to an act of defection, then you can avoid betting at moments like that. After all, supporting your favorite team can also be done in many ways and not always by betting. But of course, when you still want to place a bet, you have to accept the risk, whether it's choosing your favorite team but has the possibility of losing, or betting by choosing the opposing team because it has a good chance of winning, that's a choice and you're free to choose with risk that you are ready to bear.

Some people take this fan support too seriously, to the extent that you will think that they are being paid for the support that they are giving to the club. They can go to any length just to prove that they support a particular team, even if it takes for them to place a bet against their own kind of odds.
 
Even if the game ends up losing, they will not still accept defeat and will claim that it's all gambling and the result is not sure, when from the very beginning they were sure that the game wouldn't end in favour of their own club.

Well, I personally see it as being absolutely stupid when I see some gamblers place bets on their favorite football club and are willing to lose the money they used to place the bet, that is, they bet on their favorite football club even when they know that their opponent have a better chance of winning the match, people honestly will never cease to amaze me.

I am a die hard fan of Arsenal, but my fanship for this football club does not extend to where money is, after all, the club is not paying me to be their fan, why should I willingly lose my hard earned money for their sake? This is something I would never try, I will always prefer I win my bet than I lose and my favorite club win the title of that season, it's stupid to prefer anything otherwise.

What sort of stupidity is this? How can you gamble away your funds on a team and, the major criteria for that was just about being your favourite team?? Are you - in anyway paying it directly to the club that so you love, or the casinos? Who's benefiting at the end?...
It's also not entirely strange that people can do crazy things for the something they're passionate about. What's gonna be more crazier than a man on a 165 stories - a skyscraper!!!! I'm definitely going to to acrophobic afterwards and someone, out of passion crimbs to such a height?.. that's how crazy a soccer fan could be atimes.