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Yeah I know people start these threads to pump their coin and yeah I do own some. But I get a feeling that NXT is about to make a moon shot. I absolutely could be wrong but its a vibe i'm getting. I think maybe people are tired of the shitcoin clones, tired of the NXT clones and wanting to get into something that is more stable and long term. Of course the asset exchange is also a factor. I think some people who are new and haven't heard the negativity about the distribution are just seeing NXT for what it is ie a highly innovative system that is at the moment unchallenged.


I personally believe it should be worth many times what it is now but I'm saying this cause my spidey senses are its gonna rocket and once it does it wont come down easily. Many times before I got this vibe before a spike up and I was right, so lets see here...

Your username says nextgencoin. Is this a sarcastic post?

does NXT have any gambbling sites out there?

Do you only ask gambling related questions even though they aren't like you know.....relevant?

Absolutely. Just a matter of time. At least when all the guys son´t make money anymore through senseless mining, buying in in shit IPOs adn try to push them afterwards,

Longterm the technological best coin, with most features and true innovation will lead the hype.
And this will start with launching the asset exchange.
Countdown right here --> http://www.nxtcommunity.org/   12 days!!!!!

lololololol

But I have a feeling NXT will explode once the asset exchange comes online, then one of the 73 whale/stakeholder will cash out their stash and send NXT from the moon down to middle-earth.

I joined this forum due to NXT so yeah the term next generation coin was floating around, I wouldn't think too deeply about it. I own a bunch of coins and mainly am interested in Next Generation coins especially NXT, EXO and Qora, I mean why wouldn't I be. Are you interested in last generation coins?

Liking the best technology is far more honest than all the BS pumping of shitcoins that goes on here. Of course I will talk up coins I own but at least I own them cause I believe in their potential.

By the way the guy who asked if I was being sarcastic, well I looked through his last posts the the latest coins he seems interested in are Bunnycoin and Piratecoin, I shit you not. So who is the dickhead me or him?


By the way my hunch seems to be happening as I thought.

https://www.dgex.com/trading.cgi

Same here man, I only own coins because I believe they have some real potential. Which is why I have most of my BTC stashed in BlackCoin. I know BlackCoin doesn't have the amount of features as say NXT, but its the community that drives the coin forward and with some promising stuff like BlackCoin Cards (http://"http://blackcoincard.com"), BlackCoin shows some huge potential for the future.

The only thing that turned me off NXT was the initial distribution, where stakeholders could crash NXT at any point.

There is absolutely something happening behind the scenes

BTER has some sweet volume going on and every bit of cheap NXT is bought.

Often buys of 6 to 8 btc worth of NXT clear.

Some people are loading up on NXT atm

(Me included)

Its still not exploded yet but I would say its probably the safest bet you could make in crypto at this point, I would be highly surprised if the price drops from here. I mean normally the price is nearly double what it is now.

I think people will wise up to the fact that even if NEM is good people will want to use the original. NEM could do ok too I admit..

I have a question : what is the repartition of BC at the moment. There is no Whales ? Why do you fear much on NXT whales as BC whales.

The repartition of NXT is better as Bitcoin, but nobody fears about the Bitcoin whales.

The initial distribution of NXT was what it was. I prefer to speak about today repartition. Since the beginning the NXT repartition is going better, at the beginning it was very quick. I think it's the same for BC and other PoS.

Every day, there is sellers, Whales or little fish. But when somebody sell, there is buyers. It's not bad, the stake repartition change with the market.

I have no problem if the big whales dump, the price go down but it's only for a moment. And the stakes win a better repartition.

I guess the perception is that NXT whales lucked out compared to BTC whales.

To have accumulated tens or hundreds of thousands of BTC you would have had to have spent a long, long time mining them or spent a decent amount of cash buying them.

In comparison the NXT whales laid out a fraction of a bitcoin and it landed in their lap a few weeks later so there's less emotional investment on their part.

Now I'm sure there are many, many people devoting masses of time and effort to NXT but that wouldn't have been the case for a chunk of the original 71 or so. It was just a cool sounding project that they put some money into.

I dont have the figures but many have shown that NXT distribution is far more even now than BTC. People had a lot of opportunity to buy low as well.


Plus the biggest moves may be infront of us once NXT goes mainstream in the press.

Are you sure? If I was one of the original NXT stakeholders, there's no way I'd sell any of my coins, but I guess there are whales in every coin, no mater how fairly you try to distribute them.

When I said NXT is better distributed than BTC you need to know that a large amount of BTC is held in a few hands, Satoshi for one...

Yes but what is difficulty ? A lot of people say : NEM is a good share of coin. Yes, there is more early adopters but the 3000 people did almost nothing for that (I paid 50 NXT for my stake for NEM). And the risk was low : it's a declined Nxt concept. Every body could see what's the revolution of Nxt.
But what can say people who discover Nxt and NEM in few month ? "Where is my stake ?" Fuck I was not in the right place on the right moment. For 8 billion of people, Nxt and NEM have the same repartition : without them.

And about BTC, for me and for the most part of the world, mining is not a real work. Really how can we explain to the people : I used my computer hashrate all the time, but it has no other necessity as hold my coins. No other utility. The common sense can say : it is wast of energy !

Every day millions of people work hard : why are some of them rich and other poor. Why people win in casino and other loose ?


We speak here about a Proof of Stake currency. A good repartition is a necessity ! It's for the possibility to participate (without stake, it's not really possible) and to secure the network. The stakeholders was not "fair" they was "smart". If they don't sell quickly the stake, it is the dead of Nxt. they did it...

The repartition in Proof of Stake is central ! More than in PoW, you can own all the BTC : the security is ok when there is miners. In PoS, if you own all the stake, you can't insure the security and the confidence.

I'm sure the perception of distribution will fade with time. Right now that bothers a lot of people who would otherwise take the plunge. Ever notice how almost every single NXT thread descends into this?

I think it's a massive shame but that's how it is. NXT is one for the serious long haul regardless.

Oh yeah. I do have such feeling. I bought some coins today, but if wasn't easy. You put a bid, someone put a bid above yours within seconds. You put another one, they put another one too. Although nobody buying a lot, but it feels like everybody is keeping an eyes on Nxt today. The price went to 0.00006 on Dgex for a short period, than came back a bit. It looks like the price could easily be x10 a couple of weeks from now.

Haven't seen any concerns about it for a long time. Just rare shouts from trolls like Emule. See no reasons why it might bother anybody with brains.

I can't get this feeling now. Would you please list some reasons?

Im quite confident about NXT, but at the same time im looking at all the other altcoins rising like megacoin, digitalcoin, blackcoin and darkcoin, ultracoin, etc.
Should i be buying 1000 darkcoin and start a masternode or buy NXT instead?
So many bloody coins and i want one that will be successful and not a waste of time i think NXT is for the longhaul, but darkcoin potentially could reach $20
I like to spread the risk so i guess thats why im looking at other coins.

I think, with the features of Nxt being released, the price will rise gradually for a few days, then many people will suddenly realize that the price just keeps rising and flood in, the price then jumps.

It's hard to predict short period evolution of the price, but for the long term, the price of Nxt is definitely going to rise a lot.

yeah well NXT is at its lowest so i want to sell my mining rig and buy some!

It seems this is happening.  :)

Going back to 16k sat  ;D

Those were the days

for sure, I had this tingling feeling a long time ago when I put down big bucks into nxt!

*implode

Just ignore him

Yeah!!! OP was RIGHT!!!

<<it_is_happening.gif>>


 ;D

NXT almost or has reached 7000 sat on all 3 major exchanges now (BTER/CRYPTSY/DGEX)

Every smart long-term thinking crypto investor should have at least 10% of their assets allocated to NXT.

it has been slowly going down and then holding for a while, didn't ever go too low though.  I bought a long time ago and have watched it slide.  Any other coin I would have sold and cut my losses, but like the OP, I believe it is going to explode so I am holding, and not just after the next bump, but I am holding for the long term.  I'll either ride nxt to the top or to 0.  I think since bitcoin this is the first time something really interesting has come along.  Well....... actually I think Ripple is also very interesting and leagues ahead of bitcoin and nxt as a payment processor, but it is pointless to invest in.  Speculating on XRP is a fools game. The whole point of XRP is to be burnt so it isn't meant to be worth anything anyway.  So yeah, I think NXT has the biggest chance along with bitcoin and ripple.  I could easily see one, two, or even all three being popular.  Ripple as payment processing.  Bitcoin as digital gold.  NXT as the 2.0 platform that does it all.  I think Ripple and NXT have reinvisioned bitcoin in an idealised form.  Ripple as just a payment method and NXT as a way to do decentralized exchange/market place/contracts/messaging/DNS.... and anything else you can think of.  

agreed

I heard somewhere that Nxt will soon include a distributed exchange. If it's true then I would expect the price of Nxt to explode.

NXT is green. Only that is huge advantage over BTC and clones. Beside, distribution in NXT is much, much better. There are no Satoshi, Mt.Gox thieves, and other endless scams and bad reputation.

Be patient with NXT.  It is a dark horse.

Dude you have to get it right, its DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE! Its even better!
Ripple is DISTRIBUTED, Nxt is Decentralized.

I feel it is blasting, down to the lowest, below historical records.

from the highest point has been buying up to now still fall.

 I don't know what the reason is, or DEV is also very long did not appear.

yes. it's going well down.
look at the distribution model, possibly the worst in living memory.

NXT were brought for total of 21 btc between ~73 stakeholders
current valuation~ 71,450 BTC (very short time later)

340238% profit for lucky few

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=34

or that seems an acceptable distribution model for a future currency?

Yep! The market is yelling YES I LIKE THIS!

so....its a pity for you, keep you XCPs  ;)

Ofcourse we have a feeling it will explode, will it happen?

Thanks. I am not a Nxt expert and it looks like you know your stuff. Has Nxt already started it's decentralized exchange, or do you know when it will start one?

73 initial wallets but only around 20 invested the 1.5 BTC limit.  With such an obscure IPO, those 20 wallets were likely only 5 unique people with sockpuppets.

As for NxT's price - it's the tards throwing money thinking a decentralized exchange is proprietary to NxT but other coins will also have it too. 

I expect NxT to crash down soon

NXT is just speculative investment, it has no real use. I consider NXT still worth nothing

NxT promotes itself, somewhat, as an innovative platform but there's nothing proprietary in the cryptos - "no patents no money" as VC investors would say.

Only thing you can invest in is the community of a coin.  NxT may have its' own loyal cult-like fanbase but the distribution model otherwise is a deterrent which stops the masses from coming in.  There's also stuff like BCnext fleeing and fireselling all his NxT


Before you claim I am a hater, I fit the definition of an "early adopter" of NxT as I bought in 2013.

If early adopters like me think NxT is a scam, what does that say?

people still having the stupid conversation about the distribution? You got to focus on the quality of the system now. If you don't you are basically saying I don't care about cryptocurrencies beyond how much money I can make.


At this point it doesn't matter anymore. Its still silly cheap IMO.



Oh, and is it too early to be smug about being right about the price move?

First i read this:


Later I read this: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/bithaus-the-very-first-nxt-fiat-exchange-is-near!/msg17405/#msg17405 (https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/bithaus-the-very-first-nxt-fiat-exchange-is-near!/msg17405/#msg17405)

5min later I see the price +50%.

Finally I laugh at your FACE.

 :D

That you're an idiot?

Yeah laugh at the new bagholders who are buying into NxT atm.

I bought around this price some months back. I haven't at any point regretted it or thought seriously about selling it even when it was at its lowest.

Its should really be about 10x the price it is now and still you could argue it would be dirt cheap. It was FUD spread by idiots like you that kept a great innovation down cause they didn't make enough money from it.

NXT investor here.

I like NXT because the community is so committed. There's been a few clones since but none of them seem to have a team working as hard on making sure the coin is adopted. I'm not too concerned with short term price fluctuations of this coin because over the long haul, investors will directly reap the benefits of the hard work the community is doing on our behalf ;)

I like XRP for the same reason but I think the NXT team is doing better getting their coin out even without top VC funding.

Bitcoin was similar for early adopters. If you took the short term view of the price you would have sold as soon as it dropped. If you took a long term investment view, ignored price falls and held it for years you would probably be a millionaire by now. Who's to say how much Nxt will be worth in 5 years time. It could easily be some unimaginable amount by today's standards.

The big flaw in this whole argument about "distribution" is that it's based more on a toy-throwing-out-of-pram premise than any dispassionate appraisal of the "distribution model".

For example. The argument goes that NxT stakeholders stand to make an X0000000 % gain from their investment and that that's somehow "excessive". Whereas if someone buying a currency that had, say 5000 buy-ins and also made an X0000000 % gain - that would be alright.

The fact is that there isn't anywhere near enough market liquidity in any of these currencies for such gains ever to be realised at the amounts of holdings the original stakeholders had. Thats why it doesn't matter if it's 76 or 7600 original holders - it's like melting 2 big blocks of ice or 20 little ones in a jug of water. It dilutes just the same.

If the envisaged potential market for these cryptos is, say 50 million people, then an initial "distribution" of 5000 doesn't look too great either. That's 0.01% of the market getting the initial stake. Thats the real hypocrisy behind these empty criticisms.

agree with you,how to choose a coin,i think technology and function are the most improtant.

when will start the FIAT exchange for NXT??
this gonna be huge

We are now in a price correction period after the rising, I think it may last two or three days, then we will see another round of rising.

I could be wrong, but I think most likely I will be right :)  though I hope it will hold until my new btc arrives.

find information here: https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1129.0

Perfect reply by @toknormal yesterday.

Could not agree more.

I've many times tried to explain these points far less eloquently. This should be a sticky or something..


The notion of fair distribution has alway driven me nuts. I mean if the ultimate goal is for a currency to be global and used extensively (coins like NEM do push this idea) then even if everyone who ever used bitcointalk got coins it would still be like .0000001 of the population had all the wealth for free. Even if those who have some a bitcoin today is a tiny fraction of the global population, how is that 'fair'.


The truth is NXT was at a very low price early on, people had a chance to buy cheap who missed the IPO. That fact is swept under the rug by those crying foul.

I don't like the word "explode", but it would deffinitely rise soon because the AE is launching tomorrow and soon the DGS will go live...

Asset exchange is going to be groundbreaking such exciting technology.

definitely one of the most promising projects currently
 - excited  :)

Im sick of all the FUD spread by the trolls.
This coin is going to boom soon, im just so fed up i cant buy them fast enough!
Ive been waiting for my funds to clear in the exchange!
I too was very skeptical about NXT's distribution, but look at the price, its still extremely cheap and undervalued.
Its not going to boom like darkcoin is, but this is a long term investment, you cant just buy into something for a quick buck, you have to look at the long term goal.

NXT ticks all the boxes for me for what i should expect from a crypto currency and more, it exceeds my expectations!

What is Nxt Asset Exchange and why is it cool? http://www.coinssource.com/now-live-nxts-decentralized-asset-exchange/

NXT is definitely one of the most promising ones :)

How many NXT should i hold if i want to become a millionaire?

10k-1kk, depends on which year you want to become a millionaire,  :)

Ive got over 20K and hope to buy more! :D
People who are complaining about unfair distribution are just stupid, its actually been at its lowest and is rising again. So its not like those initial investors didnt take a risk when investing them. Big opportunity for everyone to buy in cheap.
NXT is going to be huge.

I hope the asset exchange will boost it, but i really doubt that the price would rise very quickly.

True. But by the end of 2014 there should be a significant rise, at least double from current price.

I didn't start this thread to hype another coin. But if you think I was right when I started this thread then you might want to have a look at another coin that really is about to explode. I am invested in it early, cause that's what I do, invest in the long term quality, life is to short to piss around with shit coins. Qora like NXT will be a buy and hold IMO. Plus there are rumors that Qora developer is BCNext. I've been looking at their posts, there is a definite Possibily it's true. Even if not it's a very exciting project, almost unknown at the moment.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.0



Of course as a stakeholder I would say this, but I'm willing to bet my reputation that this like NXT is going to make people who know quality some money. It's WILL be a top 10 market cap coin.

I feel NXT is gonna explode soon. The real question is: when it overtakes Bitcoin, late 2015 ??

any coin can have a pump and dump moment any time soon
the rich stakeholders can pump the price and rip some more bitcoins out of the community

what do you think about stability shares? (XSS)

No hype, no BS, look at this unemotionally. NXT is not a pump and dump, only a fool would think it about NXT. If anything NXT has always been held down like a beach-ball under water due to FUD. It's shaking it off now and is looking strong to regain ground.

Bitcoin is king, but NXT is far more than an alt coin trying to gran peoples Bitcoins. Any fool can see that it's a genuine top tier contender for Bitcoins crown.

Almost nothing..

What do you think is going to happen with darkcoin?
Im killing myself i didnt mine them earlier and their price ig going up fast!

Yes.

They are a bit innovative over the rest of first gen cryptos and now people are realizeing about this fact, so the price could go up, could you imagine what will happen once they realize about what nxt can bring?  ::)
For which I see heavy investors always work with lag lol
I, personally, expect some crash in darkcoin, but they have potential to grow.
PD: I didn't mined them in time too, only have 100 :( , but when nxt do the same, will overtake bitcoin and everything and darkcoin grow will be despreciable compared to nxt  :D

I hope so, im feeling so depressed about DRK right now.
I only have about 40, but want to buy more when things settle down.
I think megacoin has a big future too.

I like Darkcoin, anominity is an important function. BUT if another coin implements a similar function it will be game over for it. It's the Cryptocurrency version of putting your eggs in one basket IMHO.

I have the same feeling hehe (It's something that gnaws inside you) but like the pal just said, when other coin come doing the same... game over, and nxt will include anonimity soon "hope" so just wait till our turn  :)

This feeling is gathering inside me again!  ;D

Considering it went from 9 cents to 4 cents in 1 month I think correct word to use would be implode.

I noticed you butthurt or something about NXT, what's your problem? Don't like it - don't invest.

Did I say something that isnt true?

I think only thing that isnt true is nxt web page which lies about nxt being the fastest crypto and that it doesnt charges any fees for asset exchange.

Oh and I forgot about John, where are those 5 big news and big companies that are coming to nxt? haha, it was only used to lurk noobs into pump and dump.....

it seems now is dump time: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nxt/ (click link and choose 30 days)

You've just confirmed my suspicion about you being butthurt, well, my friend, you are the only person on Earth that can help yourself. Nobody else can. Only you.

Sure, I will buy NXT and be happy seeing my investment going in the direction that graph shows lol

No, please don't buy it, it is not for whiners.

If you didnt notice I was laughing not whining but i guess in nxt world every thing can be truth 

Just don't buy it anyway, NXT doesn't like you ;D

I will buy NXT and then buy Facebook with it on asset exchange. I am amazed how such obscure currency managed to land such big company to get listed. Will I get rich with it? We will see, I hope Mark keeps with doing good job!

NxT used to be $0.08 to $0.11 when Bitcoin was in the $800 range and yet today it's $0.042.  I don't understand how someone can be bullish for a dying coin.  It's like picking out some random $hitclone on coinmarketcap and saying "yeaaah!  Quark's gonna hit $15 million buy buy buy"

Don't. You obviously don't understand what a decentralized exchange is. Stay away from it.

Are you saying you wouldnt rate Facebook as Buy? Does Mark knows that?

How about JL777Hodl, should I buy those? it has pretty cute name

Dont buy anything there, it's dangerous.

The decentralized exchange is neat, however, because of coloured coins, there is few reasons to hold NXT.

Imho, the distribution is still not good enough to sustain an higher market-cap than what it has now.

Exactly.  The piss poor distribution killed off NxT.  NxT used to be $0.08+ until people realized it was premined by a few people.

Maybe if NxT had better distribution it could be $300+ million by now but no point in dealing in hypothetical as the NxT was approached back in 2013 about doing a second IPO and the greedy whales said no.

NxT is truly a get quick rich scheme as their whales are more concerned about how they can get their money out then growing NxT to be a competitor to BTC.

You're obviously nowhere near up-to-date with the developments in NXT. or you're just trolling and spreading FUD as usual.

In the next weeks NXT is going to be rolling out a shitload of new features, to go with all of the amzing stuff that has already been implemented:
Here's a small selection:

New NRS software, version 1.2.2
Digital Goods Store
Mulitgateway trading
nxtBridge
Secure Asset Exchange

This is in addition to all of the activity in projects that are based on NXT, and the implemantation of NXT on a wide range of new trading platforms.
How you can be ignorant of all of this amazes me.......

You are aware that NEM was created by NXT'ers as a response to an attack on NXT?
You are also aware that most NEM stakeholders are also NXT investors?
Maybe you noticed that NEMstake is being listed on NXTs Asset Exchange (and now on the Secure AE?)

So why the f**k are you constantly attacking the only community that actually helped to create and sustain NEM?

Yet another guy so optimistic or you have any graphs out there so we can see what you are up to? Most of crypto persons are so optimistic, but have no real reason for it.

Too lazy to find graphs, too busy as well....go to the main NXT forum and check it out from there:

www.nxtforum.org

And, believe me, we have plenty of reasons to be optimistic....

You know, there was always something suspicious to me about JL777Hodl asset because he never had a logo contest.

But I believe you, its to many scams out there to invest.

So I figured only way for me to earn some nexters is to start my own asset. I will call it Atoni888Buy. Will you invest? Can you please give me some link to nexters ae logo contest so I can give 10 Atoni888Buy assets to best nexter designers?

Thank you in advance

So:
Digital goods store = around 1000 more scam assets to get nexter from fair people
Multigateway trading = devs get more trading fees (and later probably get hacked for all your nexter...basically centralized exchange but this time devs with no experience at all of running currency exchange running it, rofl)
nxtBridge = I suppose you are going to bridge Nxt with San Francisco
Secure Asset Exchange = Are you telling me that currently its not safe to trade my nexter to assets????? You must be kidding me, this is ridiculous, are you the hacker that hacked Klee?

Damn you're smart.....or not.

Again, do some research before you try to troll, 'coz this is just too easy:

Digital Goods Store: Its stuff, like actual things, not assets. Assets are traded on the Asset Exchange (see...theres a clue in the name)
https://nxtforum.org/digital-goods-store/

Multigateway is a gateway, so not an exchange, nothing stored on it so nothing to hack. (again...gave ya a clue in the name)
But if you want to buy some BTC, this is where you can do it.
https://nxtforum.org/multigateway-jl777/

nxtBridge: Yeah, you got me. Its a bridge. It goes up, ships go underneath, it goes back down again. I just made it up to sound cool.

Secure Asset Exchange:
https://nxtforum.org/secure-asset-exchange/introduction-to-secure-asset-exchange/
https://trade.secureae.com/#6932037131189568014

Oh, its EvilDave again, person that keeps saying that Nxt is fastest crypto out there........before I do the calculation again, I must tell you that you should make your own asset on Nxt AE named Evil666Dave and you will probably get rich :)

Lets calculate, it takes 10 confirmations for NXT to be transfered. That is at 1,7 minute per block 17 minutes (for full confirmation it takes  1 day but I will not calculate with that to make it look better on NXT). Ripple takes 5 seconds. 5 seconds is 12 times less then 1 minute so 12*17 minutes = 204 times. So Ripple is at least 204 times faster then NXT so stop spreading lies, its easy for anyone to see through it.


And.....are you telling me that currency exchange will not have centralized wallets? rofl

And....with straight face you actually say that digital goods store will not have over 99% assets listed as scams? rofl

Well, its enough if sane person looks at Nxter AE and see how many of them is not scam :)

Oh, its EvilDave again, person that keeps saying that Nxt is fastest crypto out there........before I do the calculation again, I must tell you that you should make your own asset on Nxt AE named Evil666Dave and you will probably get rich :)

Lets calculate, it takes 10 confirmations for NXT to be transfered. That is at 1,7 minute per block 17 minutes (for full confirmation it takes  1 day but I will not calculate with that to make it look better on NXT). Ripple takes 5 seconds. 5 seconds is 12 times less then 1 minute so 12*17 minutes = 204 times. So Ripple is at least 204 times faster then NXT so stop spreading lies, its easy for anyone to see through it.

Can I see that quote from me where i claim that NXT is faster than Ripple ?
NXT transfers are on your wallet almost immediately, spendable within 10 confirmations, and start forging after 1440. Simple.


And.....are you telling me that currency exchange will not have centralized wallets? rofl
Yeah, it's not an exchange...it's a gateway. Big difference.

And....with straight face you actually say that digital goods store will not have over 99% assets listed as scams? rofl
For the second time: Assets on the Asset Exchange, actual stuff (goods) on the Digital Goods Store.

Well, its enough if sane person looks at Nxter AE and see how many of them is not scam :)
Could you find  a sane person to take a look, then?
Get them to look at: https://trade.secureae.com/#12465186738101000735
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Italics are mine, dumb is all from Atoni.

I admire you for answering to these kinds of accounts  Evildave

How about NXTVestmen, or SuperPonzi? LOL

Italics are mine, dumb is all from Atoni.
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Your personal attacks on me instead of telling facts tell me exactly at which development level you are. But I can understand, if you bought nxters at 9 cents you have every reason to lie to people about it. (although I dont approve such behavior)

Red is from me, italics are from.....well let the public decide, EvilDave

Oooohhh...you've gone all red, Atoni.
Gimme a minute or 10 to search thru my posts for any Ripple bashing I might have done, seeing you can't find a quote to back yourself up with...

Yay! Found it.....I said that Atonis claim of Ripples speed was "utter  complete bollocks":


EDIT: So, in the interests of fairness, can anyone else weigh in on this : Ripple or NXT: which is faster in normal use?

How about NXTVestmen, or SuperPonzi? LOL
NXTvestmen I got no idea about, thought SuperPonzi was a Ponzi game.


Italics are mine, dumb is all from Atoni.
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Your personal attacks on me instead of telling facts tell me exactly at which development level you are. But I can understand, if you bought nxters at 9 cents you have every reason to lie to people about it. (although I dont approve such behavior)

What personal attacks? Called you dumb, because you seem to have some issues with reading/comprehending text. Thats almost friendly for a BTT debate.
And you do keep saying 'nxters' when referring to the currency NXT, which is......strange.
Didn't buy in at 9 cents, btw, but even if i had, I wouldn't be all that worried.
I'm expectng NXT to hit about $0.50 to $1 before the end of the year.

Red is from me, italics are from.....well let the public decide, EvilDave
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Wheres Atoni gone ? I was just getting warmed up.....

Oh, well, in his absence:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/111860/nxt_is_to_bitcoin_as_tesla_model_s_is_to_a_volkswagen_beetle_nxt_interview
and
https://nxtforum.org/

Check them out, make up your own minds about NXT.
We are going to the moon. Really.....

The chance for it to die is higher than for it to explode.

You may or may not have heard Atoni, Rome wasn't built in a day

Oh man, I had to LOL when I read this.

Yeah, even I suspect that the Facebook asset might be a little......dodgy, shall we say. He's a naughty lad, that Zuckerberg. ;D

Anyway, back to my dedicated (to the point of annoying) NXT promotion:

http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/07/nxtmax-coin-startcoin-and-txtcoinsnow-and-the-global-mobile-virtual-network-operator-mvno/

http://www.coinssource.com/nxt-txtcoins-and-the-global-mobile-virtual-network-operator-mvno/

Hmmm...did someone mention NXT exploding?

Remember when Keiser tried to do that in-show promotion of Darkcoin where he was gonna buy some Darkcoin live on his show to prove how easy and awesome it was, then Darkcoin crashed that day? Hilarious.

I'd like to believe you that NXT is still taking off, but the only thing actually worth believing is the price.

Yep...poor Max.


On the NXT take-off.....the problem with most crypto's is that they are completely useless, except as an instrument for speculation.
There are only a handful of cryptos that actually have useful features.
NXT is working very hard on building up a complete financial eco-system, and a lot of that work is going to start paying off in the next few weeks as features and projects come to maturity and go live. AE was just the start, there's a hell of a lot to come yet.

I hope so EvilDave. I think its a great concept and hopefully they can take it pretty for based on the firepower they've accumulated.

Now everyone and their mother is starting a coin with a decentralized exchange but really NXT should be flattered because they were one of the first innovators of the idea.

I agree with your statement about the uselessness of cryptos. Most devs aren't even trying anymore to pretend their coin will eventually have some real-world application.

I did rake in some sweet doges in a few world cup matches, but other than that, yeah coins in general are more just like collectors mementos.

Any supporter of any altcoin has the same story. Nothing interesting.

Well yeah, the stories are going to be similar to each other. Still, there may be some underground coins which aren't known by everybody: maybe someone will share them here!

Actually asset issuance was first made by Ripple (its Ripples native function). But in Ripple is fully decentralized, if you issue an asset in Ripple you can choose in which currency to trade it (or make your own currency to trade it), in which order books to be and which fees to use for trading (or no fees at all). It was made almost 2 years ago.

Native functions of Ripple: Instant transactions, asset issuance, gateways, currency issuance etc etc...sounds familiar with Nxt development? ---> we want to create instant transactions, asset issuance, we want to create gateways, we want to create monetary system (fancy name for currency issuance)....if there was no data storage coins (from which next copied digital goods store) you can pretty much say that only thing they do is try to copy Ripple with fancy names included and extremely bad programming (in ripple asset trading is instant, gateways are decentralizzed and not run by devs even you can be your own gateway etc etc).

Now Ripple introduced Smart Contracts https://ripple.com/blog/smart-oracles-building-business-logic-with-smart-contracts/ wait till Nxt copies that and gives it some fancy name like "von Clevernous of Contractorous" lol

EDIT: oh and I forgot aliases...also copy from ripple :)

This explosion will kill LTC.

hey atoni,

Ripple is not decentralized, so all those functions don't have a meaning. All those functions already existed before Ripple - centralized exchanges (forex and stock exchanges), instant transactions (Paypal and many other digital payment systems), aliases (DNS system), everything else. Ripple just put them all together, but it's still centralized. If you need centralized, just use what was before Ripple that I listed above.

Lets see, Rippled servers are run on over 1000 different entities around the world. Nxt is run on 100 nodes (or maybe 150 by now). Which one is more centralized?

Check the numbers, then come back. In Ripple there are validators and all the others.

Hi,

I want to invest in one of these two. I'm having trouble figuring out who controls all the ripples. Also is it true that ripple labs copyrighted the term "ripple"?

To the moon G!

Every Rippled server is validator :)

Ripple is still in beta, only small portion has been issued. Nxt is mostly held by its founder and his alts. You can find good blog post on Szalasz blog where its explained how they released only about 25% of currency to people. Ripple as term cannot be copyrighted, ripple effect etc, its generic term.

All these nxt threads, I really cant make up my mind if they are a plus for nxt or not.

There are as many good for nxt as there are against, I guess its free advertising either way, and people will make there own mind, but for sure nxt has caught the imagination of both the lovers and the fighters..

The only real downside to ripple is trading in the damn things, as far as I can see there is only one place to buy them from <----- correct me if I'm wrong though please.

I seriously looked at ripple 2 weeks ago and am now wishing I had got some, the issue I have now is when will the bubble burst ?

Ripple can't be copyrighted because it's a generic term? Are you sure? Then why does Apple have a copyright?

Ripple and BitShares networks are:
servers (called validators in Ripple and delegates in BitShares) + clients.

NXT is a peer-to-peer network, that means every node is both a server and a client.

Two different approaches.
Ripple and BitShares are distributed networks.
NXT is a truely decentralized p2p network.

Yes, while Ripple is still talking about the concept of Smart Contracts, Nxt has done the coding and is implementing the Smart Contracts - https://nxtforum.org/smart-contracts/express-your-wish-(smart-contracts)/

Everyone can run Ripple server, same as everyone can run nxt wallet. So Ripple is truly decentralized p2p network. And you do not have to run ripple client to run server too. its your choice.

What is the incentive?

I am not fighter, I just dont like to see something called innovative when its actually a shitclone. And I hope all crypto currencies go up, if people lose on alts they will not have money to buy bitcoin which currently sets the trends of crypto in world.

Its mostly run by businesses, banks, gateways, and eco system developers because with rippled server you do a lot more then only with client.

Isnt that funny question to come from nxt supporter when next community was the one calling people to run wallets so network doesnt cripple? since noone wanted to run them as they get like 0,1% a year.

So, are you saying it's mostly centrally regulated entities running ripple servers? Well, just like I said, it's not decentralized. It just means the network has more than one center, but they are still centers.

You can buy it at many places, bitstamp, kraken, justcoin, ripplechina, ripplejapan, ripplesingapur, snapswap, rippleisrael, therock trading etc, maybe this link helps you: http://www.ripplecharts.com/#/

But I dont know how good it is for speculations, I use ripple only to transfer fiat from exchange to exchange to do arbitrage on bitcoin. When bitinstant got closed most of us traders got cut out since we had to start paying extremely big fees for bank wires out from 1 exchange and into another. I hope ripple gets adopted by more exchanges because it solves that issue and is around 1000 times cheaper then bitinstant was.

Edit: not to mention speed, when i sent 10,000 USD from bitstamp anywhere I get it in 2 seconds while with bank wire I had to wait 3 days to arrive to me and then 3 days to arrive at exchange.

Those are your words not mine, most of rippled servers are run by developers  and ripple supporters. Although business and banks run them too.

And your logic is really funny, so if 100 nodes run nxt that doesnt mean that network has more then 1 center but they are still centers? lol (now compare that to over 1000 of ripple and tell me which is more centralized).

EDIT: wouldnt you be happy if amazon started to accept nxt and run a wallet or would you call it central control situation? (I would be happy if amazon started to accept any crypto, so that you know my stand).

Like I said, check the numbers, then come back, 100 nxt nodes was many moons ago.

Yeah, I said now is probably 150.

Don't make guesses :) The only way to find out is to set up a node, set allowed max. connections to a very high number and then leave it running for a few days, you will see a lot more peers than that or than Ripple, but I won't tell you how many, you must do the homework yourself ;)

Actually ripple was in smart contracts talk 2 years ago (you can probably still find articles with jed about it). What they did is made it user friends for any developer to use on ripple.

That's the point.
http://s1.postimg.org/s53j7n4mz/decent.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/s53j7n4mz/)

Haha, so its not true then? how many peers are running it? you know I wont set up nxt node, I bought next at 20 mil mkcap and sold at 80, and will maybe buy again but even then I will probably keep them on exchange like I did before.

Do you understand centralized,distributed,and decentralized?

Thanks for the help guys. Both coins look awesome! I think I will invest in both.

Here is where I got the idea from the copyright thing mate :)

https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2023

Let me know if FUD or no.

Max number of peers I've ever seen has been around the 1200 mark......

@strspeed...probably a good idea, diversity in your portfolio is a good thing, and apart from Ripples unfortunate tendency to employ dodgy aristocrats, they are probably a sound investment.
(But NXT is better.... ;D )

Ripple did not invent smart contracts either - http://szabo.best.vwh.net/smart_contracts_idea.html

Nxt did not claim that they invented all the features they have except Transparent Forge consensus mechanism. They are innovative in term of the Transparent Forge and the overall architecture of a new crypto.

I didnt say ripple invented smart contracts, I said introduced. Smart contracts are used in numerous applications already for a several years now.

I see, I dont know if its fud or not but I dont think you can copyright words. Although I dont know what can be trade marked or copyrighted, like in case of apple a couple of posts ago I dont think its possible to trade mark a word. Then apple would sue every cook book :) But I am not expert in that field (I am not expert in ripple either, I just started to use it when bitinstant got closed) but to me common sense says that you can use word apple freely. Maybe problem becomes if you use word apple with their logo on products? I dont know much about that sorry, if its possible to trade mark or copyright words I will copyright all words and sue anyone that writes anything lol

I do, there is picture a couple of posts before that is pretty much self explanatory. It shows exactly that ripple is not centralized.

EDIT: just saw that picture is from you, so its self explanatory.

I hope all cryptos increase, entire crpyto world including bitcoin is still in speculation mode and far from any usage, so if people dont make money but lose they go out telling extremely bad stories which hurts crypto a lot. I remember when bitcoin dropped from 32 to 2, then it was not such a big deal because this forum was pretty much only place with any bitcoin talk, but now if it falls from 620 to 10 it will probably cause significant losses and extremely bad publicity.

Although in reality, for crypto to be used for transfer of value (and going around the middle man), price doesnt matter that much because you only care for it for 30 minutes while bitcoins get transfered. But since we are far from that usage and speculation is still main growth vehicle it matters a lot when people lose.

I think some of us are missing the point here: all of the features of both NXT and Ripple are open-source concepts, anyone can implement them and in many cases it's kind of difficult to figure out who originally came up with a particular concept. So to say that x is copying y is a fairly pointless game, like saying that Ford are copying Nissan by putting wheels on their cars......

NXT is revolutionary not because of any specific feature set, but because NXT has been designed from the ground up to be a platform for other applications, not just a currency.
This means that if you can come up with a concept, you can probably figure out a way to implement it on NXT.
 
Just take a quick look at the list of projects that NXT is already supporting:
https://nxtforum.org/nxt-projects/

And we haven't even got on to the features list/road-map yet....

You guys are letting BlueMeanie be a moderator? Why?

BM was to be the lead dev on Virtual Corporations, (afaik), before he went off his meds and decided that NXT was the work of Satan.

He didn't have a change of heart and come back? Its good to know he's still gone, forum makes it look like he currently has a role there.

I'm pretty certain he was behind that cheesy, mildly successful DDoS attack a month or so back.

Nope. he's still out...and staying out. Don't think anyone will have him, given his track record.

Well NXT just cracked the 8 so it hasn't gone down. Hope I didn't just jinx it.

So theres a lot of clone of NXT out there ?

There is... and they all started out based on the idea of riding NXT's coat-tails. That's a trend with new coins: copy the useful features of successful coins.

With the exception of NEM none of them have much plans for the future other than to cash out as much of that "100% premine" as possible, before everybody else figures out what's going on.

But for those most likely are pump and dump right

Its safe to assume so knowing that _most_ coins are Pn'D coins.

Thought i should bump this thread again, since the last few months have been rather bad with crypto, i still feel NXT is even a better position than before, despite the price.

Same feeling here.

Why do you think NXT is in a better position? It's a genuine question and not a trolling, I'am genuinely interested in NXT.

not at the moment, no...  :(

Read the thread.

The devs are implementing the features needed to run their business, DeBuNe. The business, they hope, will make money.

Many guys approach Nxt, wanting to use it for thier business. Here is another who plans to be making 10,000 Txs a second, using Nxt as the backbone of their network: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/maximum-block-size-is-too-restrictive/


Roberto and Yudi happen to want to build in core features they need, rather use ones that already exist. And more power to them  ;D

Putting this (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=85.msg161374#msg161374) here, for other Alt-Fanboys to chime in.
Basically I'm looking at it the way Nassim Taleb does - here is a fitting comment from his facebook yesterday:
"It takes time for things to break, but they eventually break, & there should be no rush although our impulse is to think that they will collapse immediately after we become aware of the problem. Give things time... 3 to 8 years in today's complex system. By definition the fragile cannot be selfsustaining as the probability of a collapse increases with time."

So long term you can define solid bands in which currencies will stay.

http://temp.oxpal.com/nxt/bts-nxt-xpc-probability3.jpg

Each line is a prediction of usability per currency over time. I didn't choose value (too many factors), but the two correlate.
So the line is wrong - because I'm a totally biased horrible Nxt person. The shading though is supposed to show the range of possibilities.

BTS has the highest starting point - and lots of room up - because pegged assets are super useful.
But pegs never worked before. Think of it: Is Bitshares offering something new here? That has never been done before - even if huge governments tried? No one ever thought of 2 times collateral? Somehow only blockchains suddenly allow that?
This will not break today but eventually (see Taleb above).  If it does once, then BTS is toast. There risk is only on the down-side, and there is no second try.

Nxt as Swiss-army knife has less clear future. In the "heat map" I tried to show that it might go to zero - but it's less likely. Bad code messups happen, but most of them are fixable. Though nothing is guaranteed except that wiggles will happen.
On the other hand, the more features, the more synergies. If a couple of big businesses pick it up, the possibilities are huge. So we have big down- and up-sides.
(Ether falls in the same category if it delivers).
 
Counterparty starts out the lowest now. And for all I see, it's just very limited. It just can't try the things Nxt can - and it's already said to be only half-working.
Less features - lower risk. And maybe it will never die, but I just don't see options for thriving - Medici stole its Wall-Street cake.

Thinking of it this way: All are low value right now. So actually the downward risk is low in all of them - investing in the ones with up-sides is a good bet.

Amazing analysis!

The only reason why NXT doesn't move is because it's under promoted, community should be doing more to get members in. We don't even have a NXT thread on Bitcointalk. Someone should make one.

 NXT Official Thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587007.0)

Done....

And here's an old one, just for laughs:
 NXT original thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587007.0)

Price is on a slow uptrend or waiting for jump if its gointo explode
https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/nxt/btc

Jeff Garzik said NXT is a scam and there is a probable backdoor.  Proof of Beluga Caviar.

Jeff G, (as you know, you naughty troll) was wrong on both counts.

I googled for this and found that Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme and is used to buy drugs and kiddy porno. I can't imagine what awful things are done with Nxt if it's called "scam"...



PS: It's funny that googling for "Garzik Nxt" returns things like https://twitter.com/comefrombeyond/status/558281259487887360

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B79p2LOCMAEOquG.png:large

Looks like price climbs a bit.

You attack others to promote your scam coin NEM.
That's not working.

NXT is one of those coins you always hear about. It definitely has a lot of community.

We are working on a fun project called the Free Services Exchange.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-qHP7AUUAAUF37.png:small

Can you add or request some free services from us?