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The superior alternative cryptocurrency Monero has taken the alt world by storm and unfortunately for the average scamcoin, Monero is taking up all the space in the alt coin section.

This thread is for those of you that really hate Monero getting in the way of your latest scamcoin, so feel free to vent your frustration here!

so when is the dump?

you missed it :P

I heard Monero devs are spammers who are creating many threads to cover up some funny businesss. Is it true?

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Still not too late.

lol, XMR is very hot now
and i can see some threads pop out here :P

this thread talk about monero, why do you spam it with latium ::)

will fade away like everything else, the price is already high, no room to grow, and i don't like the name...

The name is awesome, I love it.

The price is peanuts for what you're getting, a truly anonymous currency that may easily be the silver to Bitcoin's gold.

Room to grow, the technology has huge room to grow, the price has huge room to grow.

Thanks for the laugh Amph.

not compatible with bitcoin api. Unless it wants to form its own niche isolated community - go for it.

Adoption will be for the minority and hence will die. Be realistic.

And yes number of threads is stupid. Keep all your shit inside a single ANN thread like everyone else.

Bitcoin API?

Funny how Dell.com added Bitcoin even though Bitcoin wasn't compatible with the VISA API. Is it possible merchants will add Monero if the demand is eventually there to make more money, or in your world view, they will go without because it doesn't fit into a limited set of technical specifications?

Also Monero is larger than the scamcoins, and thus needs more threads.

In fact it would probably be easier to rename the alt coin section "Monero" and put an end to all the scams.

The Bitcoin API is fundamentally broken - it assumes that the daemon (that syncs up to the network) and the wallet are the same thing. Monero has complete separation of concerns, which means you can run multiple wallets on the same physical computer, and we can have a CLI wallet (simplewallet) and a wallet for automation (rpcwallet) as separate binaries. In this respect alone, Monero has a superior architecture to Bitcoin's, although this is something that Bitcoin is hoping to do in Bitcoin Core at some stage.

Over and above that, the Bitcoin API assumes that you have a single wallet with multiple addresses, and all the RPC calls are designed to check addresses and so on. This is fundamentally at odds with Monero, as you don't have multiple addresses (it uses stealth addresses, effectively) and have to track payments using a payment ID. This means that sending funds is similarly different.

At any rate, I fully agree with drawingthesun - merchant systems will adapt to accommodate the Monero RPC API, just as major altcoin exchanges have done so.

i seen one guy in here mention how he created over 60 accounts to "Like" his coins he posts here..

i find it doubtful he was the only one doing it out of around 340,000 user accounts here.

if you believe pretty much anything here your a gullible idiot soon to be broke lol

edit:
i have not seen as many topics compared to the NXT or NEM spammers though.. they are waaay worse i think.

edit2:
i looked at first couple pages and i see what you mean now.. they have LOOOOOOOTS of monero topics lol
so.. it's on my avoid list LOL

smooth is one of the core team members, he was being sarcastic.

The reason there are "looooots" of Monero topics is because there is intense interest from those that are knowledgeable about cryptocurrencies, as well as those who were early Bitcoin holders. It would likely be in your best interest to investigate why this keen interest exists (and the subsequent threads) before "avoiding" it.

Monero is great

you are off topic!
this is not a complaint...

Funny how what was supposed to be a joke threafs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7918952#msg7918952) ended up with actual content :)

A) Please demonstrate

B) If A can be done, Please explain why it is a problem

Otherwise it is just FUD

There was a lot of similar hyping of dogecoin as it crumbled.

And that's what statements like that say to me - the coin is crumbling so you are trying to hype up momentum.

It may have worked in the past but its old tactic now, and has the opposite of the desired effect.

Yopu should not invest in an asset without ample reading first. Then you will make your own opinion.
Leads: Risto Pietila, Gregory Maxwell, Peter Todd, dga, devtome (http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#monero), Tacotime, the OP with the various monero missives...

Yes, I had no opinion of Monero before but now my opinion is that if I want to use it, now's not the right time because it appears that there is a social engineering attempt taking place to boost confidence in it.

You won't be able to use it as Bitcoin for buying product anytime soon, that's for sure.

For the social engineering part, well. We chose a plan and stick with it. The highlights are: weekly update and high signal-to-noise ratio. The rest is market being the market. As usual avoid buying when the price rises.

Hrrrrrmm. My point is clear and obvious: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list - a daemon that syncs up to a p2p network should have no concept of "balance",and should thus not be able to "getbalance". Seriously, this is not FUD, and the fact that you don't know that the Bitcoin core team is working on this as a matter of importance (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=646905.0) is quite shocking. Have you seriously never used any of Bitcoin Core's RPC calls? These are extremely basic concept we're discussing here.

You're being disingenuous - a statement of fact is NOT the same as hyping or a social engineering attack. Like I said, do your research, talk to Gregory Maxwell (Bitcoin core developer) or Risto Pietila (a large Bitcoin holder) and let's touch base in 6 months.

There is more to it than that. The only way to use the Bitcoin API is if the coin is almost identical to Bitcoin itself, which is why 99% of the hundreds of worthless pump-and-dump altcoin clones use the Bitcoin API.

A coin that actually does anything fundamentally new or differently compared to Bitcoin (which is certainly the case for Monero) will need to have a different API.

If anything "uses the Bitcoin API" is a strong clue that you are looking at a worthless clone coin.

Also funny how this thread that has now evolved into a new discussion of Monero grew out of a complaint (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7917991#msg7917991) about Monero having too many threads. Streisand effect at its best.

I run the daemon - I don't need to use getbalance but for people who mine with it (when that was still possible) it had value. You could easily see what had been mined. And that's a problem because... ???

How exactly does the ability of a daemon to check a balance hurt the platform?

Don't use that feature if you never have a balance for it to check. I don't, and it doesn't bother me.

The most "shilled" coin ever, and it still can't get off the ground.

It's one of those coins where very small orders are made to give the pretence of lots of trade, or where people just buy ttheir own coins hoping to suck a few people into the process.

Wow, this would be a serious allegation, if you had verifiable evidence, but I'm guessing you don't, so just more FUD to remind us we are doing something right. Thanks!





 

My lack of verifiable evidence is equalled by your fallacy that lack of verifiable evidence is enough to remind you that you are right.

hideous comeback.

Look, I know shilling when I see it.  Poloniex is full of guys singing the praises of it, so much that you even get little reminders from the mods to take what they hear in the Troll Box with a pinch of salt.

Nobody is putting in 1 bitcoin orders for it, just a string of 0.002s with gaps filling up space from the best bid to the bottom.

Really now?

Order book:


Ticker:

Just a few I found in 30 seconds of looking. I'm sure there are other big orders, and there have certainly been much bigger orders at times.

A few more:




Are you even looking at the right coin? This coin has had the highest trading volume most days on Poloniex for months now. Some days over 1000 BTC

Complaints? I'm a Darkcoin fanboy I must admit.., but Monero is a really damn good coin.

i still think there is too many Monero topics LOL

not as bad as PTS / Bitshares crap from FreeTrade though.. his advertising crap has been blatant
and i have not made one comment on any of his crappy scammy garbage because i don't want to bump his stupid topics lol

all i know is i support only mined POW style coins.. any of these big premine / IPO stye coins are a scam .
and all of those seem to be the most hyped in here. Like they can't live with constant spamming and nagging..
and go for it.. if you think the public is going to respond to that go for it lol

Monero is PoW, no premine, no IPO.

ok well you may wanna post the full coin specs for Monero if your using this as advertising ;)

i also don't mind Carbon Coin so much at least they keep their crap to one topic LOL

negative attention can be utilized to your advantage if your smart and the coin really is truly legit ;)
those with nothing to fear have nothing to fear or fight about etc

anyone that keeps harping on you with various points like, i'm NOT an asshole.. i am a good guy ..is lying.
and i AM an asshole LOL

BUT i try and be an honest one and even my own harping good intentions or not can have the opposite effect.

No need to post the full specs here, it is on the main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

 I don't like the forced meme approach either. Even altcoin observer should be renamed monero observer judging by the amount of discussion towards other innovative developments relative to monero circlejerking.. Granted it's not the same pump n dump long con by a team of marketers we've seen before; Fundamentally the coin (protocol, really) is strong, a  diamond in a sea of shit, and this time we have cabal (perhaps soon to be monero foundation) of intelligent old heads.. 'bitcointalk allstars', silver stackers, TA tea leaf readers you know the kind of people that have latin in their signature giving it the thumbs up, creating 5 or 6 seperate threads,) boosting trade volume, pulling strings here n there. along with usual brown-nosers following the crowd because it pays to ultimately. I personally am invested for a while, but I've seen time and time again a dangerous insinuation that monero is the one and only and it reflects badly on the speaker,

Speaking as one of the Monero core team members, I can assure you that there will NEVER be a Monero Foundation. If anyone starts something like that we will reject it, and will encourage the community to reject it.

We are rapidly moving towards a point where every effort - including features, peripheral projects, lobbying, and so on - will be completely community driven and community funded. We will have no control over this process, other than to influence a particular goal by means of weighing in rationally on debates. Any shilling we try do for a particular idea or goal will quickly be called out. We will not have "our" way - the development and future of Monero will be as decentralised as the cryptocurrency itself.

Yes, won't take long before monero's blockchain size is as large as every other coins' blockchains combined!

I'm impressed by that post fluffypony..

Thanks:) We are strong believers in doing things in a way that is sustainable and holds value for Monero in the long run, so it's really just an embodiment of those values.

It is not even the 'greater good'. It's simply a prisoner's dilemma in which it is self-servingly rational to cooperate.

This means getting the incentives right and that's exactly why Monero is and will be hot.

He deleted my post insisting that he's the love child of Captain Picard & Heisenberg.

Meh,

I bought Monero cheap because cryptonote looked interesting and I thought Monero was the best implementation.

But I've sold it all now.

My next pick is Fractal, check it out :)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650173.0

Faucet in my sig :)

Its funny how everyone in Monero blaintent ignores the fact it can never go mainstream

It's funny how Bitcoin has an even worse problem - their blockchain is about to break 20gb, it'll never go mainstream.

Quick, everyone, sell your Bitcoins and buy Monero, our blockchain is only 750mb!

Stop dodging the point...

Your copy pasta ring signatures from bytecoin cause significant exponential growth ontop of a regular blockchain. It's the same reason the coin you cloned yourselves from ended up dying. Monero's been around for how long? And has how many users compared to bitcoin?

The fact you guys spam this entire forum wth your threads about how Monero is superior, when it is arguable the one of the most flawed coin in existence, is absolutely ridiculous. You know as well as I do until you fix this issue your just dragging people into a ticking timebomb.

bcn was a stillborn, because it has a very heavy premine (we could call it ring sig development fund)

why do you care about blockchain size?
atm its not a problem at all; for servers it wont ever be a problem and users can use lightwallets then...

The growth is not exponential, it's linear. Currently the blockchain grows at about 10mb per day. Do the math.

And you're acting like this is a problem we need to solve today. It's not.

Additionally, a larger blockchain is a tradeoff that users running full nodes will gladly accept if it means enabling a degree of privacy that Bitcoin simply cannot provide right now.

same old :

"Pump and hold high " thing that always goes on with a "CPU" currency.

it all started with Litecoin and then there were many others, a few people have a bunch because they are utilizing a "tech insider" gimmick.

i won't call it a "scam" its just not successful that's all.

can only hold off the free market for so long fellas, meanwhile who's out first?

: D

Although it might not be quite the prevailing view my personal opinion is that LTC to be one of the biggest altcoin scams of them all, for a variety of reasons, and it has the farthest to fall.

Monero isn't even an altcoin, really, in the sense that it isn't a Bitcoin clone in any sense. It is just another piece of software that does some of the same things bitcoin does, but also has major differences (i.e privacy). Its most important feature is most certainly not the different PoW, that is rarely even discussed outside of the mining subcommunity.

Compare apples with apples, you say nothing how big transactions really are. Someone could say his shitcoin is superior to Bitcoin because the shitcoin blockchain grow only by 10kb daily...

And by the way, if you know really what you are doing you can be anonymous with Bitcoin already

It's not a "CPU currency", and efficiency improvements in the PoW hashing were open-sourced and merged into the main repository as they were done. Remember: we are not the CryptoNote developers (who wrote and released the PoW in the CryptoNote reference code), and we would simply not have had the time or ability to make optimisations to the PoW fast enough to give us an advantage.

We are completely, 100% donation supported. None of the core team members have any noteworthy stash of Monero, otherwise we'd just be covering costs ourselves instead of raising funds through donations.

But Bitcoin tx's are still linkable. Even if you were to expose yourself as owning both a Bitcoin address and Monero address, Monero tx's would still be unlinkable.

I don't consider microsoft office superior to openoffice because the size of its installation is bigger or smaller. Where are you going here?

Are you guys hating Monero because it can be mined with cpu? :p To lazy to read all the comments

A typical "small" transaction on Monero is about 400 bytes. Here's a recent small transaction (2 inputs, 3 outputs)

http://monerochain.info/tx/4433b7a5813428fe96111a2f7b9b9af5a1b10f153d9a8c18c1ff391c8993c266

A typical "small" transaction on Bitcoin is about 400 bytes. Here's a recent small transaction (2 inputs, 2 outputs)

https://blockchain.info/tx/081d5317f0885523c30b5035b1662776ab60f148d4525ccf0531be65ddc8db10

Obviously there are a range of transaction sizes on both networks, but there is no exponential increase. None.

Huh? I was demonstrating that the growth is linear and not exponential. I never compared it with Bitcoin.

Your last sentence really hits the nail on the head with what we're trying to achieve with Monero. Let me elaborate:

Have you ever used DropBox or Google Drive or iCloud or Box.net or any of similar services? Well, about 7-ish years ago none of them existed. Then Drew Houston launched DropBox - and his announcement revealed a host of interesting comments (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863). This is one of my favourites:


And now? It has over 300 million users.

Just because something is doable "if you know really what you are doing" [sic] doesn't mean that is the most desirable course of action for all of the prospective users.

gotta say. i am kind of proud i initiated this top.

even thought it started as a satire to my complain of too many topics, it proved exactly my point. Hoping to get as much exposure as you can any ways necessary except the proper way. sound pretty weak.keep licking the honey pot prematurely.  good luck with that though.

Your metaphor makes no sense. If it's a honey pot and you got in early (prematurely) and licked a whole lot of honey, wouldn't that ultimately be beneficial for you? You'd be the honey holder, in other words.

I started this because for once an actually useful altcoin comes along and now all the regular altcoin people are whining and whinging about the popularity it's recieving.

For all these years I thought the altcoin community were trying to find something that could truly have reason to exist alongside Bitcoin, hence all the altcoins and experimentation going on here.

Now Monero comes and is one of the best coins to come out of the altcoin section and proves that all these experiments are worth it, even if only a couple of coins ever emerge with actual utility.

But instead of saying "Oh yeah, see altcoins can be awesome!" you are all getting defensive.

Seems I was wrong, this section was never about making great coins, it was always about the pump and dump.

Monero isn't a pump and dump and this sets us apart from all the scamcoins here. Now I understand why all the scamcoiners are getting defensive.

So sad.

I like your response and well natured-intentions. I mean there is already a loose club of large holders that could shape the market somewhat, I'm sure a few interact often online and have met in person in their castles or whatnot. but this is phenomena is unstoppable. Wish you luck on success of the project and hope you can squash some of the shitcoins out of the world.


 I'm sure you alluded to the fact Boolberry is the litecoin to moneros bitcoin, ie a copy paste with a few marketing gimmicks added on-top, ignoring the fact monero is a copy paste of bytecoin (which is essentially the tenebrix) - that's the kind of thing I regularly see from XMR proponents.


I mean marketing hype...really? Monero is the one with hype while BBR is the solid underdog- what do we have now 3 seperate monero economics threads?. If I'm not wrong both of these coins were borne from the same womb, at the same starting line, I think perhaps even boolberry was announced before monero. Boolberry took some initial steps to make modifications (dare i say improvements) and it's been consistently ignored in favor of monero largely thanks to a less ridiculous name and  lacking a series of all star backers incessantly parroting about how it's the only worthwhile coin out there. Fundamentally BBR doesn't warrant a lower market cap especially with the emission curve the way it is. Much less doesn't warrant being derided as a junk copy paste in comparison.  I think many people have forgotten about certain xmr red flags like the 'optimization fix'. I was shocked such a thing was overlooked, but got over it relatively quickly when i realised no one else in the market cared/noticed/remembered. Not saying BBR is perfect by any means, because for sure there has been a big disparity between miners there which is only beginning to start levelling out now.

I'm glad to see any cryptonote coin succeed, despite being in an alpha stage and needing a ton of work. Wish monero will overtake the useless litecoin and all these faux-anonymity shitcoins, would wish the same even if I wasn't invested but the 'monero is the one and only' elitist circlejerk attitude becomes tedious real quick.

I'm a relatively large XMR holder, partly simply because I understand you can't ignore the market, regardless I don't want to click on the altcoin observer thread and see yet another dicussion between the same inviduals cheerleading and comparing optimal XMR buy-in strategys or drawing squiggly lines on candlesticks and talking about support levels day in day out. I want to see talk about hyperledger and codius, about ethereum and counterparty and so on.. It becomes so much like a forced meme or a marketing newsletter to see the same back and forth daily, often amongs the same individuals about 1 specific alt, on a thread which is  presumably supposed to cater towards interesting and worthwile new developments across the whole altcoin sphere

Ignored? I have addressed this in many posts, I have written about the fact that Monero has copied Bytecoin in a similar way that Litecoin copied Tenebrix. Far from ignoring this point I have spoken about it many times.

Tenebrix (Bytecoin) was first in their space (regardless if their space was actually needed [1]). Litecoin (Monero) at first offered not necessarily a technical innovation over their predecessor, but a market innovation.

The market innovation was that they were not scam-mined in the beginning. Thus Litecoin (Monero) had to prevail as a reaction to their original scamcoin origins (Tenebrix and Bytecoin).

Again, I have spoken about this many times, it is your narrative that I am ignoring it.

[1] The biggest difference here, is that Monero's market is needed (A true anonymous currency) and Litecoin's wasn't really needed at all.

Who says monero is Litecoin, perhaps it's fairbrix or geist geld? That big ol' botnet ravaged blockchain and command line interface won't be adopted by aunt gemima on her aging HP anytime soon.. ;D On a serious note.. agreed, it is the most like LTC of current crypto-note crop, but who knows .. anything can happen.

There was a time Litecoin had a purpose (aside from being able to mine btc and ltc simultaneously), the reason I personally brought and mined it from 2011 was to escape BTC's forthcoming ASIC centralisation, with LTC initially almost everyone (Aside from few insiders) was on level playing ground- 1 cpu 1 vote.
but that point is long moot and I agree it offers no tangible benefit over BTC now.

I'm curious why you think BBR is a clone of XMR with 'marketing gimmick's' still however. Was it not envisioned /announced at the same time, if not earlier than XMR independently? Do you think this altcoin section has more marketing exposure to BBR than XMR? Do you really believe boolberrys alterations to vanilla cryptonote are nothing more than gimmicks to reel in a quick pump?

If you want my personal opinion, I think that CryptoZoidberg (the developer on BBR) is very competent and has deep technical knowledge. We have a good relationship with him, and where there are things that are implemented in BBR that we can use, and vice versa, we merge and credit the other party. So far we're sitting quite even at around 3 commits each that are directly from XMR in BBR or from BBR in XMR. I think that's a healthy relationship, and will only be of benefit to both cryptocurrencies.

I know that BBR is a BCN clone like XMR. I know that the additions BBR has made have their advantages, and I know that they are certainly not gimmicks to make for a pump and dump.

However I am unconvinced that the changes are enough to warrant BBR overtaking XMR.

Hal Finny said that the competitor that overtook Bitcoin would have to offer a huge advantage to overcome the network effects to warrant replacing Bitcoin.

I am unconvinced even Monero offers enough change to warrant overtaking Bitcoin, I see Monero overtaking Bitcoin being a disaster and certainly not good the Cryptocoin ecosystem.

However, because Monero offers something major that Bitcoin does not, I see Monero taking 2nd place easily. However I cannot see any reason why BBR should overtake Monero, the divide between BBR and Monero technically speaking is very small (And both teams are helping each other out), the difference between Monero and Bitcoin is massive, and still doesn't warrant replacing Bitcoin.

I see no logic behind a competitor with small changes overtaking Monero.

Factually no.

XMR announce/launch: April 9/April 18
BBR announce/launch: April 20/May 17

+1.
Why Moderators aren't doing any thing about the threads? I don't know whether it is a scam or not but why they are filling the forum with ANN and such things? Are they considering this forum as free ad slots? ::)
Kindly,
        MZ

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Why not just use a trusted known PoW like the well used Quark algo? or another Complex proof of work because you know that its going to be on a GPU anyhow ?

for that matter if you have some special distaste for the Quark algo with its Random functions (still the only one that i know of) why not mix and match your own? - shake and bake add some random functions and let the whole market mine with PCP (Personal Computer Devices) from the start ?

simple.

by the way you have the freedom to what you want - i just don't think your model will be super successful that's all, because of the deteriorating return that will be felt as education flows though the market.

Simple answer. The decision was not made by us.

Monero was launched as a clone of Bytecoin to address the massive premine/ninjamine. It was felt at the time that the best approach was to simply keep more or less everything from Bytecoin the same except the rate of mining and offering a clean pre-announced launch with no premine. This gave the community an easy choice between them, while making a whole bunch of other changes would have significantly muddied the waters.

Cryptonote, who claims to be the developers of the technology behind Bytecoin, has its own theories about how their algorithm is ASIC- and GPU-resistant, and how this leads to mining being what they call "egalitarian" and how in turn that is some sort of overall advantage (though they don't quite explain this).

Without commenting on their philosophy (in large part because I don't understand it), I will say that the PoW has proven to be a least somewhat GPU-resistant. Despite several GPU miners being developed, none has clearly demonstrated a major efficiency gain (in fact I'm not sure any of them have demonstrated any gain in hash/watt over CPU mining). People do mine with GPUs now, but people also still mine competitively with CPUs.

yeah its alway the same gag - "no one has shown the ability......"

A GPU device is essentially a packaged simplified "PC" its a;  Processor, Ram and Electricity, the market won't keep falling for the same gag.

next question:

Whats wrong with GPU's? 

The latest complex algos and the future ones will all be more or less minable on a broad range of old and new devices - CPU and GPU  this is as close to "egalitarian" as you will get. (even though that is a really retarded word to use.) (i know its not yours)

its just a free market finding equilibrium, that is all it is.

It's not a "gag" at all - unless you're incredibly familiar with the code and its technical merits, or lack thereof, I don't think it's appropriate to speak to its value.

Here's what Dave Andersen, an associate professor in the CS department at Carnegie Mellon, had to say about it:

Plus anytime there is too many random people all mindlessly slobbering over the same coin in a desperate attempt to fool others into taking their bag, I stay away from that coin. Never bought a single XMR for that reason, and its paid off well.

The signal-to-noise ratio with XMR is extremely, extremely high. I'd love for you to point to the "mindless slobbering" you've noticed, because I'm not seeing it.

Hang out in the Poloniex trollbox for 5 minutes.

I'd rather die a painful death that involves torture of some sort. Anything called a "trollbox" should not be used as a measure of anything important, least of all the technical merits of something that involves a deep understanding of both mathematics and cryptography.

BBR's changes to Classic CryptoNote are not small. BBR's block chain changes make it at least 50% smaller. That is just one change.

No, I'd just like you to point out the mindless slobbering you state exists.

So go ahead fork Monero then, but keep the perfectly sized blockchain intact. (That is the value, the blockchain ledger with everyones holdings)
Monero is young and can still grow, a hard fork would be a loved by investors if it brings in even better functions.

I think in general the altcoin scene is too afraid to hard fork, there is nothing that hinders a hard fork of Monero at this point. Monero is not old like Bitcoin, it's a perfect coin to hard fork and keep the value intact. That would only raise confidence.

I kind of want Bytecoin or Boolberry to become the dominant CN coin, just to see the arrogant Monero proponents get a comeuppance.

Especially the guy who owns a dilapidated castle in Estonia.

this is exactly what i mean. they are too full of themselves. opening thread after thread like they are entitled to it. this kind of behavior just makes the members look desperate. hurting the coins image.

Even doge was not so obnoxious

ehhh eff it. why do i bother.

That is Monero's decision to make. I don't believe a CryptoNote coin has ever been successfully hard-forked. There may be unexpected consequences.

No, you're wrong. You really do just want to argue with me. Because I already pointed it out to you.

This isn't meant to say that BBR changes are not worthwhile, but in reality if the size reduction is only 50% that is a small reduction.

Disk sizes are routinely measured in terabytes. Even SSDs are reaching the terabyte range now. Blockchain sizes for any of these coins are measured in the gigabytes or tens of gigabytes at most. On another thread someone estimated a CN blockchain with transaction volume comparable to bitcoin at around 60 GB in a few years. Obviously these estimates are highly innaccurate, but that isn't really the point. By the time this happens disk sizes will likely be measured in tens of terabytes. Whether the blockchain size turns out to be 30 GB (1/2) or 120 GB (2x) really makes very little difference.

I note in fairness that you did say at least 50%. If it turns out to be 90% or more, then perhaps you are on to something. But at 50% it is hard to see why anyone would care much.

Yes, I'm part of the XMR team so I have an an agenda here, as do you. However, others with no apparent agenda have made the same point, including I think dga who is now a visible BBR supporter.

You said I should look at the Poloniex trollbox. That's disingenuous, is not a credible source, and certainly does not contain any officially sanctioned information from members of the core team.

Again, you state that mindless slobbering exists, so link me to the mindless slobbering over Monero on Reddit or Bitcointalk. You made a claim, I'm asking for a citation, just like Wikipedia does: [citation needed]

I can't speak for proponents outside of the core team, but speaking as one of the 7 members of the core team I can assure you that we do not wish to be arrogant. Of course we believe in the fundamentals of the underlying technology (see our CryptoNote whitepaper review (http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_review.pdf)), and in the changes that have been made and continue to be made to the Monero codebase. We would be silly not to:)

But we do not believe - on any level - that we are infallible, that the technology is infallible, or that any of the other contributors will submit code that is infallible. Our "mission statement", so to speak, is simple: create something private, secure, and valuable that everyone can use.

If we overstep those lines, please point it out to us, and we will do everything in our power to ensure that any arrogance is corrected immediately and does not happen in future. Any pointers you would be able to provide would, of course, be extremely appreciated.

I understand the overall block chain size will not be a huge concern as far as storage is concerned but it can slow things down.

Zoidberg's calculations say 55-90% reduction based on mixin usage. I was keeping it very conservative.  

Resorting to ad hominem attacks does not help your cause. Your claim is the equivalent of me saying "nutildah rapes panda bears", and when pressed for a source saying "oh well I heard it whispered in the crowd at the Convention for Pathological Liars." I have no fundamental issue with you making a terribly bold and terribly false claim, but I'd prefer it if you at least tried to legitimise it by backing it up with a reference or two. You now, to try give your obvious falsehood some legs.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to resort to further ad hominem attacks and a litany of swearing punctuated by vitriol?

This is not a complicated request. You claimed that "there [are] too many random people all mindlessly slobbering over [Monero] in a desperate attempt to fool others into taking their bag". I asked for you to back that claim up. I was expecting a link to some Bitcointalk or Reddit posts filled with memes, "to the moon" comments, and other silly behaviour that could be called "mindless slobbering". Instead, you told me to spend 5 minutes on a chat system called the "troll box" that has nothing to do with Monero.

Get real. People pump constantly in trollboxes. It is pretty much the only thing trollboxes have ever been used for.

The reason people pump XMR in the Poloniex troll box is simply that XMR is the most traded coin on Poloniex. It has nothing to do with the coin itself. When the most traded coin was DRK or something else, people pumped that. When the day comes that XMR is replaced as the most traded coin, the pumpers and trolls in the trollbox will move on to that coin as well.

Are you having a tough day, my friend? I hope things start to look up for you and your day improves.

I'm heading to bed, but be assured that you will be in my thoughts.

All the best!

Okay, I see we've found the "mindless slobbering." Thanks for your valuable contribution here.

You dont make sense nutildah. If Kalabassascoin was being traded the most, it would get pumped in the trollbox by those who bought in it....Any coin would.

I just split half of my Darkcoin holdings into Monero. The name Monero is a jewel, im very impressed by the dev team, the coin itself is great, im officially split between 2 "rival" loves, monero and darkcoin.

i have to strong arguments against darkcoin:
 - the anon features (if proofed correct) will most likely be implemented in bitcoin
 - premine

so why do you still hold drk?

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I bought in early

ok no worries.

good luck with it all.

Bumping this thread, so we may again consolidate all the whining from the failed pumpers of CLOAK/DARK/BLACK/XC and other scamonymous coins.

Welcome to the CULT.. do you feel "juiced" ?
how much will you make on new members ?

I'd sooner join up with Scientology LOL

Too many Complaints about Nazi inspired "Monero Cult" Ponzi Propanganda !

A cult? We are a cult only if those that follow Bitcoin are a cult.

You decide.

nope..
sorry but your not going to get away with comparing yourself with Bitcoin.. not happening pal  ::)
nice try though.. a real crypto-retort classic LOL

edit:

and i see the mods here deleted my topic about paid shilling too..
bs.
it was not ""obvious trolling"" and i will accept payment for offers to shill for a coin or sell my account.
i am still taking offers..
and yeah i am fucking serious because if other can do it why can't i ?

fuck they let you create topics here asking to buy Hero accounts.. so gimme a break !

Necro Bump!

Dark (now Dash) is the last remaining scamonymous coin of significance.

The cargo cult is very butthurt over some Peter Todd tweets, and taking it out on Monero.

Cause there are frikkin too many threads about some "sparking" comment they have to make. Well would be understandable if some senior members were doing it but heck Jr. members and newbies, thats just too much. And anyway f*ck monero , there are way too many coins out there that "promise" that their price will increase and shit, and like people don't guess you guys(devs and other monero "supporters") are paying them for it. And now my hope in bcttalk is lost after seeing altcoin discussions makers are getting legendary ranks and all, while the forum is supposed to be for BTC. And as the spice in ridiculous discussion, there are people with Monero sigs, avatars and people wearing the personal message for monero actually supporting , like people don't know they get paid for it.

Perhaps it is a consipracy... Perhaps you are actually the real TrueCryptonaire....? Who knows...?  ::) ???

The Monero hard fork on August 13 looks like a reason to invest. At least three arguments.

The anonymity of XMR will remain and more, the demand for protection is now higher than ever. So - good deal.

Monero is steadily growing in relation to BTC and is profitable as a long-term investment. One more good point.

The update will make the Monero token more convenient and faster, which means that the ecosystem will greatly (maybe at times) increase.

Very promising.