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Originally, I cashed out of CEX.io ( still wondering if it's worth going back to it ) and bought NXT in hopes of making a small profit off of Forging.

BIG MISTAKE

Now with what I have left over, I was wondering what a good PoS coin/IPO/Whatever I should invest it in.
Still a newbie to the markets and with so many coin clones floating around, it's hard to find something worthy.

Peercoin!!!

50% NXT,
50% PPC

both have an awesome development community, however their goals are quite distinct.
PPC is mainly designed to be a store of value (which encourages hording) which
NXT aimes for lots of features and a hight transactional volume.

You don't get rich by minting/forging you do it save your investment by securing the network.

Both are on discount now I believe.

NXT is currently the largest PoS coin in terms of market cap, next highest would be Peercoin.  It's difficult to say, however, if any altcoins, PoS or otherwise, will be a good investment in the near future or not.  It's almost impossible to tell which ones are going to perform well and which ones are going to crash and burn.  This thread will probably get filled with plenty of posts effectively saying "this coin I hold/invested in/promote is definitely the best one", but clearly there's an agenda there, so the only safe advice is to do your own research on the potential advantages and pitfalls.  Only invest what you can afford to lose.  Take everything you're told with a pinch of salt, because there's no real right or wrong answer to your question.  At the end of the day, we're all just guessing.

I was thinking that too!


Hmm, I'll consider that combination.
Is Qora something to invest in?

Why do you want to invest in a PoS coin?

What makes you think that PoS is a better investment than PoW?

Why do you think that any altcoin will outperform bitcoin?

If you don't have convincing answers to these questions, I suggest you better stay with bitcoin. The whole altcoin market is in decline because of the huge number of new altcoins coming out every day. I'm not denying that some of these coins are innovative, but most of them simply can't establish a true community that's big enough.
Keep in mind that bitcoin can also evolve and might integrate features originally introduced by altcoins.

Financing miners is an economic burden (hidden by inflating the coin supply).

Well, I don't have the equipment for PoW mining ( as much as I would love to ) and I do have a sliver of hope that if there will ever be some way of regulating the massive flux of copycat altcoins, one of the more innovative coins will managed to top Bitcoin. But that's probably far into the future. Thanks for the advice though  :)

I'd Check out Bitsharesx, their DPOS system is very interesting. Holding some NXT as a hedge is probably a good choice.

PoS = piece of shit.

My advice is don't invest in a pos coin

I was originally going to dump my money back into CEX until I saw how pricy it is. Thanks for referring me to BitsharesX!
How exactly does DPOS work?

I like mintcoin.

But it also ensures that the network is secure. Pos can be easily manipulated 

Everyone will tell to you invest in the coin they baghold.

I'd tell you, start a business and start accepting bitcoins.

2nd option.

Be active here on BCTalk, stick to this subforum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0 ( Enable e-mail notification, so you receive e-mail when a topic is made. That's what I do and make real money. )

Keep BTC on your https://nicehash.com account. ( Make sure to have a strong password. )

When you see a launch, rent some hashing power. Mine the coin. Wait for exchanges to add it, dump your coins.  ( Don't regret if you miss big pumps after you've sold, until you have a good sum of BTC )

Read as much as you can. This forum can change your life, if you know what you want to do with your life. Set targets.



Greetings,

https://twitter.com/ThisWeeksCoin

Sounds interesting. If I ever get any returns from the BitsharesX purchase I made, I will use your advice.

This discussion has taken place elsewhere already. Just want to say that if the majority of stakeholders mints/forges instead of keeping their coins in an exchange, someone who doesn't own many coins cannot do damage.
BTW peercoin is working on cold storage minting.

CEX.io is a scam in a way that it is absolutely impossible to make a gain unless you daily trade.
If you trade, that mean you take money from people that are already taking a loss.
It is clearly a fool game.


So you are the kind of people that invest without knowing what they are doing ?
You could just ask about the ROI of forging before investing.


Again, you're going to invest in something you don't understand ?
Doing the same mistake over and over ?

I think Ethereum, Maidsafe and Storj are for you if you want to lose the few money left.

If you want to invest a coin, you need to check this :
1. Does that coin price stable / went up ?
2. How big is the coin community
3. Is that coin have great / unique innovation
4. Do you think people would dump that coin


and i think NXT is good coin to invest

Indeed.
I have 80% in Nxt. Why ?
Because the price is relatively stable compared to all other crypto (even Bitcoin) and the swigs are somehow predictable so (with a bit of experience) you know when to buy and when to sell.
I am often buying/selling (but mostly buying) since the very start and it is one of the only investment I made that went well in the long term.

Just remember something : Buy low & Sell high. That mean, buy when everyone is spreading FUD and sell when everyone is hyping.
If it is hard for you to sell, know that everything that goes up must go down.

I'd ignore the price completely. Try to judge the technical details and the community. Also I think putting a lot into coins with small "marketcap" is quite foolish. Think about "owning" a certain percentage of the coin supply and not about absolute amounts in "BTC" or "USD". As an illustration when I said 50% NXT 50% PPC, I suggested overweighting PCC. But then again I should not have suggested anything, try not to invest in anything  you don't understand on some level, this is gambling.

+3

This is correct. Most alt coins have zero long term value.

What? This is extremely ignorant. There is an enormous amount of potential out there for decentralised platforms. Bitcoin is just the tip of the iceberg.

I also disagree with that statement. Bitcoin will stay the de facto coin for a long time, but one of the Alt coins with better features will take it's place.

There are already some very good coins out there. Ethereum ;)

Lol, Ethereum is the biggest POS scam coin out there.

I must remark that I'm not a full newbie. I understand most of the concepts behind coins. I was considering buying Ethereum and despite its interesting concept, I decided to go against it.
I've never heard of Maidsafe and Storj so I will look into those as well.

I was joking about Ethereum/Maidsafe/Storj there are all scams disguised in "project that will change the world".

Forget PoS

You need to invest in PoSA!

Cloakcoin!

Take a look.

Take a look at Blackcoin

They did succeed in changing the price of bitcoin as they cash out.

None of the PoS coin is good to invest. Buy BTC instead.

NXT is good choice! ;)

The bulk would be in NXT as the most mature PoS crypto.

A little bit to test waters in NEM, Qora, BitShares. Those can be backup cryptos should NXT fail due to some fatal flaw. The probability of a fatal flaw is less with each passing day. The new PoS coins have yet to prove they don't have fatal flaws, that's why only investing a little in them is advised at this point, but as time goes on this can be reconsidered.

Peercoin is a) not a 100% PoS, and b) not a crypto platform (which wasn't in your question but why not choose 2.0 gen crypto?), I wouldn't consider it.

Oh, and forging is not for profit, at least not right now.

Forging could become profitable in the future, but it will take some time, forging is now mostly a way to support the network you bought a stake in.

what is pos

definitely BTSX, TITAN+DPOS

TITAN – The acronym TITAN stands for 'Transfer Invisibly To Any Name'
DPOS--Delegates+POS

PoS = proof of stake, rather than mining by finding hard hashes, transaction fees are distributed to nodes running the code proportional to stake (i.e., number of coins).

I'd suggest looking into bitshares, a PoS coin that doesn't simply assign transaction fees proportional to stake, but assign them to "delegates" elected by the stake holders. These delegates only keep a fraction for themselves and destroy the rest, which creates value for all other shareholders. Since it is a market, the fraction delegates keep to themselves will approach the cost of maintaining servers + whatever value add they do for the community (run faucets, developer time, hosting community services). Thus, it is an efficient (in energy) and robust system (from attacks) since assigning block production to delegates protects against many forms of attacks, you can read more in the DPOS white papers.

Bitshares is also a flexible platform for providing services beyond just "coins." It's more of a technology base than a product in itself. The first product is a distributed exchange where users can generate their own securities to trade, the next version will be an exchange to trade contracts pegged to assets (USD, gold, BTC), a long with plans for DNS, lotteries, music/literature publication, etc.

BitShares BTSX and here's why:

Let's talk Bitcoin! episode 129.  Starts around 12 minute mark with the lead dev Dan.  Great listen.
http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-129-dogeparty-and-delegated-proof-of-stake

Titan
http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/TITAN

DPOS algorithm
http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/DPOS

Last but not least the market based trading, think bitUSD, bitGold, bitSilver etc...
http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Bitshares_X

I agree. Bitshares is a good investment. It's got the technology to provide massive amounts of utility. It can do polymorphic market pegged assets and has some exclusive features which no other crypto-equity platform has.

Also it's actually deflationary. The longer you hold the more what you hold is worth because transaction fees get burned. It's pretty cheap right now because not a lot of people know it exists and the market pegged asset feature isn't in place yet so if you want cheap shares now might be a good time to get them.

If the risk of holding bitcoin is high, then the risk of holding alt coin is twice as much as all alt are denominated in btc.

I think the community has general agreed that most alt coins (pos, pow or pos/pow) are pump and dump.

I got a bunch a few days ago, but I'm having difficulty trying to become a delegate. Any tips on how to?
I still have NXT in the back of my mind and I've started to reconsider my views on it.

It looked promising at first, but I took the time to run through the details and it looks like condensed bull.
Thanks for pointing it out.

http://wiki.bitshares.org/images/5/5a/DPOS-infographic.jpg

More info here, http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/DPOS_or_Delegated_Proof_of_Stake


The technical how-to is explained here http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/DPOS#How_to_become_a_delegate

However, as delegates are voted in by shareholders in the chain (those who hold btsx), it is essential to promote yourself on the bitsharestalk.org (https://bitsharestalk.org) forum, especially in the delegate section here (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=61.0). You are more likely to get votes if you don't take full pay (delegates select how much % of pay they will take), OR if you provide some useful service to the shareholders who vote for you, like promotion, development, review-of-delegates, or even charity or other things people take kindly to ;)

Binary decisions are poor.  Diversify.

60% BTSX, 30% NXT and 10% Peercoin and you're probably guaranteed to either be filthy rich or break even.

BTSX has largest chance of success by far.  NXT is doing a lot of things.  It seems NXT's limited distribution may not hurt them that much and it helps them finance projects.  Peercoin has a chance of sticking around with their self-funding too, so I wouldn't count them out completely.  BTSX has the most going.  NXT seems to have started to follow their lead with NXT's recent announcement of direction.  (The corporation metaphor)

Ya, get some NXT as well.  ;D

Ah, I see. Thanks for the links. I guess I'll have to do something the community thinks is worth it.
Not sure about charities but I think I could muster a few new ideas  ;)

I like NXT, although I've had my discomfort with the closed forging concept. I'm getting into Bitshares, just need an idea or some product/action I could do to get people to vote for me. I might consider using some of the garnered BTSX ( if I ever do get any after IF I become a delegate  ;) ) to buy some NXT again.

Yes as many have mentioned BTSX which was released last week is the way to go! https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitshares-x/

In it's fund raising stage it had a market value of over $30 million so it was already pretty clear, that at $45 million NXT stood no chance if BTSX delivered on it's concept. And deliver BTSX did!

-By using a 101 trusted delegate system, BTSX blows NXT's performance out of the water in terms of tps as well as giving confirmations in only 10 seconds! It also allows trading to user chosen account names instead of those long NXT/BTC keys! Logically it pushed NXT out the way like it didn't even exist and took the no.5 Crypto Market CAP spot!

-But BTSX was only getting started... It's DPOS also puts PPC to shame as a store of value, because BTSX has no inflation and on top of it, fees are being burnt every day, meaning shareholders % stake is increasing! So as it's encore BTSX demolished PPC, taking the no.6 spot.

-Now it was DarkCoin's turn! BTSX's TITAN feature, with it's anonymity and user friendly account names makes Darkcoin look like yesterdays news, so this one was easy. BTSX flew past DRK, taking the lucky no.7 spot!!

-What about Dogecoin, surely that would be impossible? How could BTSX compete with a high inflation clone and a picture of a dog? But compete it did! Boom! Doggystle baby! A few days ago BTSX took the no.8 spot with ease!

-Today was the big one, NameCoin, a lot of people thought BTSX, with it's ground-breaking blockchain made by an incredibly talented co-located development team would struggle against NameCoin, who tactfully develop at the speed of a tranquillised sloth. But again BTSX proved the naysayers wrong and took the no.9 spot!

So while many people said it was just a crazy pipe dream, BTSX has done the impossible and got MaidSafeCoin! Yes MaidSafeCoin, a concept that is still in development, in it's sights. The no.10 spot could be theirs!

But this is just the beginning! Very shortly BTSX will be releasing market pegged BitAssets! By leveraging the accuracy and efficiency of prediction markets with high collateral required short positions & minimum market depth requirements, BitAssets will be able to track the value of real world counterparts!

All I can say is, Quark, Feathercoin & MaxCoin, you better watch your backs! BTSX is coming for you!!

NXT is coming for Bitcoin.
BTSX is coming for Quark, Feathercoin & MaxCoin.
Looks fair to me :)

Qora has the most potential in the real world. basically NXT with much more user friendliness.

It's still under the radar for many people, but that won't last much longer.

Yeah & that's just me being conservative, I've really got my sights set on page no.2 of coinmarketcap  ;)

No, I'm being sarcastic obviously. BTSX just demonstrates the alt-coin market isn't particularly good at judging relative value.
(For example, I actually think NXT should be above LTC in all fairness, even though you do have a significant initial distribution problem.)

Luckily once BTSX has BitAsset functionality and starts being used by traders & merchants, the rest as they say should be history...

I know that feeling  :D
When will they implement BitAsset functionality?

 :) Possibly in the next few weeks I believe.


https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6299.0

It's posts like this which mean people need to take investment advice with extreme caution:


I suspect anyone who bought BTSX in January would take exception to that statement, as it used to be .01 BTC for a single BTSX and it's now .00001 BTC per BTSX.  PPC has certainly dropped a fair bit in the same timeframe from .009 BTC to .002 BTC, but at least it hasn't lost any decimal places  :P .  Your post sounded a little too much like an advertisement to be taken at face value, otherwise I might not have gone digging to find the facts.

I really think that bitsharesX is the best choice right now.
Consider that early adapters had allready big gains from bitsharesX and it was expected that the first week of BTSX circulation much of early investors would  sell a % of their holdings.
I am really suprised that it has not gone to lower prices... It is for sure a good sign! It means they have sold a only smal piece of their investment.I bet they sold only the minimum they could...   Consider that the suply is huge right now (2 billion BTSX out there) and demand couldn't be high at the beginning because bitsharesX has not yet made aggresive marketing efforts and don't expect them to do it. They are very confident for their product and they don't want to just hype it.They are not in rush.They are focusing on the long term results.They have proove it on idle of March when they had the oportunity to launch bitsharesX ! BUT THEY DON'T... because Dan Larimer (founder of bitsharesX) concluded that bitASSETS and bitUSD, bitGOLD etc. would not fit ideally under the known POS technology... he decided to create a new blockchain technology from scratch ... TITAN +DPOS... are now the heart beat of bitsharesX project!!!  We will all know very soon if he was right or not   :)

You are missinformed, every investor got his BTSX multiplied by 500 because the initial suply changed from 4 million to 2 billion.
You also forget to mention that all BTSX investors will get a minimum of 10% share on all future DACs that are based on the open source bitshares_toolkit project !!!
https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit (https://github.com/BitShares/bitshares_toolkit)

On the queue list are bitshares DNS ,bitshares music, bitshares lotto,bitshares insurance,bitshares voting etc. not to mention 3rd party DACs that could make announcements very soon...

Tell the exchange then, it's their figures you're arguing with.  Not sure why BTER showed the date as January, though.  Guessing it should say 4th July:
http://www.teamhellspawn.com/btsx.png

Cryptocoin Charts also says the price dropped from .01 BTC, but at least they seem to have the dates correct:  http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=alltime&resolution=day&pair=btsx-btc&market=bter

Your figures are wrong but I wasn't referring to price action though, the point my post was making, was that PPC markets itself as being designed as a store of value but the fact that BTSX has no inflation and burns shares increasing all shareholders % makes it better at that task imo.

(I don't follow PPC, so I'm not sure of its inflation but my understanding is they use a hybrid model and the effect of the POW coins means inflation for the coin overall is currently >5%?)

Should I invest in Qora or no? I like the idea and concept but I was wondering how it works out as a PoS coin.  ???

Not every POS coin is inflated.  BTSX's money supply has no inflation, only deflation.

BTC on the other hand has a 10% inflation in the money supply each year. 

Well, I gotta tell you, the news around Bitshares X sounds a LOT more optimistic then what I've been hearing for others.
Hopefully, we'll start seeing better non-inflation POS coins with some real innovation  ;D

+1 for BitSharesX

I concede  ;) just waiting to get a demo of my idea on Bitshares and get voted as a Delegate  ;D

next?

Well said.

Do not repeat the same mistake over and over again.

Bitshares X.

At this point its a great bargain, and I believe you'll never see these prices ever.

Peercoin still seems like the best PoS coin, because it has a better distribution through PoW than most other coins.

Plus, it is not hyped at all compared to most of the other new coins, which means it probably isn't in an artificial pump phase.

Frankly I'm shocked at the current price of BTSX, and have continued buying more...fairly certain it'll be erupting in the next few weeks once BitAssets hit. That, plus TITAN and DPOS and the fact owning BTSX gives you an equity interest in future BTS-X chain DACs...the future outlook is incredible IMHO.

Peercoin is the most tried and true PoS coin, definitely worth a look



but I think BitShares X is by far the most innovative PoS variant on the block

What's TITAN?

https://i.imgur.com/7ki3fe3.jpg

...basically it's an awesome form of anon that can send to any account name that's registered on the blockchain (for example, if you wanted to send me BTSX you'd send it to "nomoreheroes7" instead of a random string of letters/numbers like all other coins).

insert "my coin"

sincerely bagholder

If you invest/mine/whatever in 10 coins, be prepared to lose with 9 of them, and profit on 1. If you are not comfortable with those numbers don't go for PoS.

+1 will look into peercoin when I get more BTC to spend

Right now, probably XC.

XC? X11 Coin. It looks like a copy of Darkcoin with some added features. Not sure if I'd want to invest in it.

What makes it the best PoS coin to invest in?

Clearly its cloakcoin!

Clearly? Would you mind defining why it's clear?
Cloakcoin does look interesting but I've never seen a coin with such a short PoW time.
It does look better then XC, I must admit.

Orbitcoin

TBH, there are like 101 reasons why. I wont name them all but here is a short list:
-In wallet trading
-OneMarket
-CloakSend
-CloakChat
-PoSA (fully working anon transactions. 1st in crypto)
-Best dev team in the business
-Strongest community I have ever seen
-Access your wallet from your smart phone
I can keep going but I have other things to do. Check out the thread, read the OP, join the IRC and start asking questions and you'll get all info you'll need

This coin is the one and only winner. DRK is a complete joke and all the DRK sheep are finally waking up and jumping ship rubber dingy. It's ok though, Cloakcoin camp is read and willing to have them jump on our fully working tip top mega-yacht.

So what makes you think you're not a bagholder with bitcoins only? History? Bwahaha :)

Heard of a Coin coming out from doge developer. . Maybe that.

I look at http://www.coingecko.com/, i buy primarily Blackcoin and NXT

Keep an eye on GreenBacks, we're releasing soon. Basically we're a complete currency that is building an infrastructure around the coin. We'll let you make your own judgments when we do launch, and you can read our whitepaper.

Hands down it is bitshares^x and their entire damned toolkit.  There is literally no other platform that is offering people the ability to create Decentralized Autonomous Companies [DACs] that will give their users Privacy (think Darkcoin), secure messaging and sending of funds (cryptonote), sending to names (TITAN), Secure Transactions that compete with Ripple (DPOS), and the ability to vote delegates in who use a portion of their tx fees to give back to the community (like NXT, only far more decentralized and faster)--Out-of-the-Box.  This is what you get for using the bitshares^x toolkit to build DACs that only your POW, POS (or other variant) coin can use.  

It is insane how few people really respect this "coin" (the term coin is laughable here).  China does...so you better move with the herd or watch their economy explode with brand new innovation using this toolkit.  

Every other coin has features...that is great, especially if you have a community behind it.  But that community better be put to work building DACs or your coin is going to become trash real quick.  

Invest in DPOS (bitshares) and you have vision.

Alrighty.
So far, I've got:
BitsharesX
NXT
Peercoin

I will look into the other described coins and consider their status as a good PoS coin.

Currently considering:
Blackcoin
Cloackcoin

You could also look into Pandacoin (PND). It's a small coin which has no plan on taking over the world, but it has a nice community and Proof of Stake works well with it.

Regarding peercoin, you're right, it isn't 2.0 but peershares will be and it pays its dividends in peercoin. This puts peercoin as the backbone currency for peershares and therefore increases demand. I for one wouldnt right them off and think along with bitshare x, they are a steal right now.

Did I mention PoSA and Cloakcoin?

Check it out guys!

I'd wholeheartedly recommend BlackCoin. Lots of features and development already in real world use, as well as in future deployment. *Very* attractive buy-in price ATM as well. Invite you to check out /r/Blackcoin to get an in depth due diligence.

Hmm, I'll consider adding Blackcoin to my list of things to get when I start getting some BTC ;-)
Qora looks attractive but I'm still struggling to understand where the PoS features comes in. Does it use a similar system as NXT?
Looking into Cloakcoin. As of now, anybody have recommendations for portfolio percentage sizes?
That is, if I were to buy a certain set of PoS cryptos, how much I should invest in each one?

 NXT is good coin to invest

no


to OP:

You shouldn't invest in PoS coins but if you feel that you must(I have no clue why some people think this way)

I would recommend peercoin.

but in general, stay away from PoS coins..

 
Because we talk about Nxt, here is a quick update about the Nxt MultyGateWay and the Nxt DigitalGoodStore.

The MGW is an exchange included in the Nxt client, it use the blockchain to secure coins and transactions. It is the safest existing way of trading altcoins.
The main features are :

- much less centralised than normal exchanges : the only "centralized" part is when you create an address because it send a request to 3 separate servers that will cut the privatekey in 3 parts (one part on each server) and keep it for you (so the client cannot be targeted), all the rest is decentralized on the Nxt blockchain.
- Very flexible : you can exchange any coin on it to any other coin. This is not something that other exchanges usually do.
- extremely LOW fees : the fees are 1 NXT to put an order of any amount. The higher the amount, the lower the fees are in percentage.
- Open to any coin that wants to put in the work

The DGS is a store included in he Nxt client that aim to be the equivalent of eBay but open and decentralized.
The main features are :

- Everyone can open their own "shop" on the blockchain
- low fees
- VERY attractive to independent musicians and game designers

More info on the Nxt forum : https://nxtforum.org

Peercoin!!!

Fuck yeah NXT is awesome

The coin with the greatest success in the long term is Cloakcoin

what the actual fuck??

Cloakcoin has been out for less than a month

Is that what you call long term?


mind = blown


I would call that going full retard - and you never go full retard.

I think that may be a bit of an overstatement.
Although it does have potential, it has only been out for a month, so it may be too early to state something like that.

He meant it will have success in the long-term, not that it has had success since a long time.

You know how to sell. ;)

If a game designer sells a game in the DGS, does he just sell a key, or the whole file that contains the game? I can not see how you can store giant game setup files on a blockchain without the blockchain becoming too big to handle.

I know.


That mean that the value of 1 NXT would be much much higher. A increase of the blockchain size would be negligible in this scenario because the face of Nxt would be totally different : more money, more developers, more investors, more innovations, ...

Then he is wrong


I'm not much for PoS coins but I'll just put this out there
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddCoin/comments/2c9mvm/reddcoin_products_and_services_coming_in_august/

That may very well be a coin to look out for..

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Tekcoin. This coin pays 40% interest every month! It beats the hell out of peercoin and nextcoin

Exactly how is that any good? Insane inflation levels that make the rich richer?
Such % is nonsense, even 40% interest every year is crazy.

PreminePlus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673760.0) (PMP), which is an improvement on the original concept of Premine (PMC).

I've been involved with both coins from the start. Actively helping the community. So far, I've mainly been involved with the distribution of PMP. Users were able to register to receive a stake of PMP, and then we used an automated system to distribute the coins. The distribution has been very fair, and as a pure POS coin, the only way to get in is to participate in the next giveaway, or as an award for bounties. PMC can also be burned for PMP, so those involved with the original coin don't lose out.

It's major advantages right now are that it's not getting a great deal of attention, and we're not currently pushing to be on any exchanges. That means people aren't dumping their coins driving down the price, but staking and gaining interest, which is exactly how POS currency should be. You haven't got anything to lose by holding a stake, which is why I like these distribution methods. PMP also has the advantage of learning from all the lessons from its predecessor, making the distribution a lot more egalitarian.

The best? Well, that would be far too presumptuous of me. But not many people are paying it any attention, because it's not on any exchanges yet. When it is though, I would expect it to get noticed.

You also have a dev who is not a new account who has mysteriously appeared out of no where, as many new coins are.

Mintcoin, the best!

CAPTcoin

CAPT   http://captcoin.com

Reward halving very soon.

Very unusual method for 'mining'....

Bitshares is good but is overpriced right now.

NXT might double its value, but still a bit risky.

NEM will soar once it is released.

SSD
Get it while it's cheap. :)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=730844.0

there is very little pow, and after a year there are under 2 million minted, also pos is paid equal % to rich and poor so everyone gets richer at the same rate.

That doesn't make much sense.
The percentage is the same but the rich get richer!
Person A: Holds 100,000 coins -> 40% -> 40,000
Person B: Holds 1,000 coins -> 40% -> 400
or am I wrong here?

At least the basic supply is small.

Total supply : 1,000,000 -> 40% -> 1,400,000

Person A: Holds 100,000 coins -> 40% -> 140,000
From 10% to 10 %
Person B: Holds 1,000 coins -> 40% -> 1,400
From 1% to 1%

The same.



No. No one get any richer.
If you hold 10%, you still hold 10% after inflation.
The inflation reduce the value of the coin proportionally.
You get 10% more coins but coins are worth 10% less.

The same.


Minting is retarded but it works : some people really believe they get richer from inflation.
That's why central banks use massive inflation.

Ethereum manages to raise a lot of btc for the project. So, the consensus is they will be the best PoS coin in the future.

If the number of people using the coin increases (demand goes up to match that), then the same percentage of coins (or even less) can make you richer .. you got more of something that's worth the same, or higher, in real terms.

Population is always increasing. Then there's timing effects. Money is a flow, not a stock, and inflation doesn't always happen evenly, and all at the same time, so prices changes don't always correlate perfectly with money supply changes. Too naive to say inflation doesn't make people rich, but it's easy for people to say it all the time. 2-3% inflation is making SOME people richer

isn't eth using PoW?

I was giving a mathematical explanation that was right mathematically.

I know of course that inflation is the reason of the world inequities.

Well, the price doesn't necessarily have to go down.
Person A: 40 000 Bitcoin earned from stake -> 20 000 000$ (assuming $500 per btc - unless inflation killed it along the way)
Person B: 400 Bitcoin from stake -> 200 000$  (I'm taking Bitcoin as an example; obviously bitcoin is not POS)
How isn't this making the rich richer?The percentage of their holdings remains the same indeed. (I didn't even think of that)

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BitSharesX is making huge gain today. And went up when just about every coin is going down.

40-50M market cap gain in one day make it the best PoS coin of the year so far.

Yeah, Dan is buying up a lot of BTSX with the IPO funds (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=7245.0). Until funds run out, that is, then what? :D

http://www1.agsexplorer.com/

5500 BTC ($3 million) and I think some of it may already had gone towards buying BTSx.   After the bots, scripts, day traders and speculators go through it $3 million can probably create $10-$30 million volume no problem.

Who knew cryptos was this easy?  All you need is a crypto-bank / crypto-Federal Reserve like BitsharesX and do your own "bail out" / "stimulus plan" to grow capitalization.

Well it's easy until you run out of other people's money.   ???  ;D

Why?

Check SSV coin

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/ether-sale-a-statistical-overview/

Vitalik wrote on his blog that the top 100 addresses control 45% of Ethereum IPO.   Addresses are not people (common security precaution, when dealing with huge amounts, is to own multiple wallets.  Better to lose 1 wallet out of 10 to a hacker then to lose 1 wallet out of 1 total).   So the amount of real people in that 45% could be as low as 10 or even less.

 
Seems to be a ponzi scheme ran by a few wealthy investors who think throwing bags of money at a coin will attract subsequent bags of money.  When has that ever worked?  Mastercoin is effectively dead and Maidsafe barely grew beyond their IPO.

I term these coins to be "Suckerberg coins" (Goldman Sachs™), copywrighting coins which are all fluff, spam social media and YouTube (albeit only getting hundreds or rarely thousands of views - aka barely read by anyone) and that's all you have to do to get money from "stupid rich guys" looking for the next Bitcoin.

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It's only the best for those who had the luck to buy early! It will obviously be dumped soon.

Imho, the best is Peercoin. It's surprisingly stable for a crypto, and it has the best distribution of all PoS coins.

Tell the whole story if your giving this kind of information and please do some background reading about BitShares as its obvious you do not have a complete understanding of the software.

Invictus has been CLEAR as day about how they spend investment money from day 1.  They decided to exchange 100 btc for BTSX, this way they can pay bounties etc... in btsx not btc.  Why is this such a bad thing?

BitUSD market launched today, the next few days and weeks will be very interesting if this works.

Which exchange allow bitsharex trading?

I doubt they can dump it so early when it is still new and few buyer to dump to.

Its the worst now, as the only way its moving now is down.

NXT is good but will not give good returns either.

The problem with all is you have to get in early, NEM might be it, but invest at your own risk.

Exactly: as soon as it gets listed on more exchange, dumping will be inevitable.

At the moment, it can be traded on bter.

Its on btc38 and Poloneix too. btc38 has the maximum volume. I am surprised other exchanges have not picked it up yet.

Choose CAPTcoin for your investment in POS.

You can buy in these exchanges:

https://www.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-CAPT
https://coin-swap.net/market/CAPT/BTC


Its Market Cap now listed in
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/captcoin/


Forum Topics:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683776.0
https://forum.captcoin.com/

Its now in its 31st day out of its 50 days free distribution of coins. It has distributed nearly 2.6 millions of out 20 million possible coins.

Ticker: CAPT
Proof-of-stake
100% distributed
Total coins: 20,000,000
Stake: 30% per year, until 100,000,000 are created

It is the best distributed coin ever unlike the others

I`m investing in CAPTcoin. regular payments already coming to my wallet 

online shop like http://bitscoinshop.com.br/en/ has also started accepting captcoin as payment!

CAptcoin has really the potential to follow bitcoin footsteps!  :)

What about hypercoin, seems like it is really active..

BlackCoin seems to me a great

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Reddcoin and Britcoin are my Proof of Stake choices.  Both have 5% inflation annually.

longterm, none because POS is flawed
short-term, buy all of the newest shinning shit, who knows which will be better. Once on a while, one takes off for a few days and pays for all the others that died. Just sell before everyone realizes it's shit

Well you're right about POS being flawed. It's bad.
So what you're trying to suggest is buy up most coins, and dump it when the price goes up so that someone else gets burned?

PoS is a work in progress and not exactly what I'd call flawed.  PoS, PoW, etc... all have tradeoff's and its about deciding which is the best option for a given function.  Were getting past the point of just "coins" where there are vastly more functions such as a built in marketplace.  In some of these situations, PoS makes more sense compared with PoW.

Check out BitShares DPoS for an example of an internal bank and exchange.  They are using their version of PoS and having great success with 10 second block times with great security.

Qora of course

basically yes

deep down I believe that any acitvity that results in profit without generating actual value (goods or services) should not exist and is unethical, but that's utopical.

it's free market, you will get burned many times, and you don't know if you are burning someone else or not, maybe price goes even higher and your actions didn't directly burn anyone. If you dump, the buyer knew his risks. If you are assuming the risks, it's ok to make money from it (or so goes capitalism). Go free trade! go libertarianism! go liberalism! we have the liberty and freedom to burn each other while richs get richer! yay!

buy many POS IPOs, you'll loose in some, win in others, and develop a sense of smell of what to buy and when to sell

Bitcoin started without any actual value. You can still argue it has no value today.

Free market itself works in a mysterious way which I doubt any of us mortal truly understand.