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Hi All,

I have been a great supporter of the bitcoin since the its inception and it amazes me how far we have gone. We had a few bumps on the road (cough mtgox cough) but otherwise, it has been a dream come true.

I have been close with GAWminers.com and seen the inside workings and it scares me. I will not post allegations without evidence. The conclusion is for you to decide and my faith in this community rests amongst you to warn other newbies of the risks they are getting into when dealing with this company. Please do not let another BFL come to fruition.

GAWminers.com has launched a new miner called the "Hashlet" and people seem to be buying this up without asking any questions. Here are the claims of the device:

"We’ve produced a miner incapable of negative ROIs because the maintenance fees can reduce over time! Thats right, there will never be a time a Hashlet cost more to run then you make, and they will always make money."

"Hashlets will be the only miners that will be able to mine to the new ZenPool, the Most Profitable Pool in the World [...] that can deliver payouts almost twice as high as the top pools today!"

"Hashlets are upgradeable. How can a digital miner be upgradeable? Simple, because its digital and we built it"

Also, the CEO Josh Garza is known for his unscrupulous past (Just google his name or search on reddit). They were active on bitcointalk.org but it got so bad by complaining customers that they created their own heavily moderated web forum hashtalk. Any negative post on there gets deleted within seconds.

They also created sockpuppet accounts to attack customers and write positive feedback about themselves. They were caught doing this here:

http://share.pho.to/6pc3a/9a/original

But paid off or somehow convinced the original forum member to remove it.

Very good at PR spin and I can not believe they are getting away with this.

Regardless, I am sure most of us that know about cryptomining can see this for what it is. My fear is that they are targeting newbies without disclosing the full truth. Without letting them know the risks they take for buying a ponzi miner. Is this the best way to introduce new people to the world of BTC?

Granted, I think Gawminers.com has a good chance of getting away with this if we do nothing.

So, what can we do?

Hey can You for GOD sake stop making new accounts new topics and post that crap again ? The only PONZI in this forum/world/universe is YOU. And now You can die big ugly troll.

Guys, be rational.  I am a GAW customer as well.
But I have to admit that now I understand more about GAW's "business model", and they are very very dodgy.
They are selling a "service" with no real miner on the back.  They have a tiny "data center" which is just a small basement.

There is a website collecting information about GAW fraud, and I believe all the questions they raised are valid:

 https://flexhash.com/ (https://flexhash.com/)

So GAW is simply gambling with customers money. They are betting on difficulty increasing and LTC price dropping.
Yes, they are still paying out, but I am wondering who manipulated LTC market recently?  With leverage, it doesn't cost a lot of money to make LTC price drop.

If you don't care how GAW use your money, feel free to join them.

But this type of "business" is destroying our crypto currency ecosystem, destroying the whole mining industry and making good profit from miners like us by manipulating the market.

Who want to stay in a world full of scammers?


If you really want to defend GAW, be logical and find hard evidences. It's doesn't mean anything simply claiming you are a customer.  Maybe you are at higher layer of a ponzi scheme, but still, it's a ponzi scheme.  Later customers will be victims.  Do not help those fraudster!

So new users' words should be ignored? 
That website listed very clear any logical reasons about GAW scams.
As I said previously, if you want to defend GAW, be logical.   Are any of those concerns invalid?

Do not protect those fraudsters. The crypto currency industry needs trust, those con artists like GAW are destroying it!

Yes a newbie registering here to bump a thread written by another newbie is very suspicious and should not be taken seriously. Especially if these newbies have no proof.
What website? The one you created? You're putting so much effort into making it look like there's more than 1 person attacking GAW here, but you can't hide your activity and post count.

Well, you can talk the talk, but obviously, you either no little about GAW or you are on their side for some reason...
I never wanted to hide anything, instead, I want to let people know more.  Yes, this is a new account, again, so what?  what is your point?  Don't argue with me, answer these:

(In case you are too busy to access https://flexhash.com/ (https://flexhash.com/) )

So... Is GAW a scam?    You tell me...









There is no comments yet. I share the same concerns.
https://flexhash.com/category/discussion/ (https://flexhash.com/category/discussion/)

No wonder you are protecting GAW, you are one of them!
http://s27.postimg.org/ij4k47fof/Capture.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/ij4k47fof/)

Sure I'll tell you. GAW is not a scam.

You think that quoting your own posts from your own website will make people come there and raise your traffic?
Or maybe you think quoting your own post makes it seem more legit?

Keep dreaming.


Hahah yeah I'm one of GAW because I have their signature :D You obviously are new to this forum, so I'll spare you the research and tell you right away that GAW signature campaign has close to 80 members, so there are 80 people posting here with a link to their site not only me. Try harder!

Of course I knew that GAW paid to get you guys put their link in your signature. You are helping those scammers! 

Don't try to avoid the real questions, answers them!  Those questions are clear and straightforward?   

If you don't know anything about GAW scam and still you decided to help them, then you are making yourself a fool.

What a great show of propriety and class. And that grammar... I think I saw a guy with similar style in here. Next time take a deep breath before you write something, less chance you'll humiliate yourself again.


http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2d/2d101517a49732da9715be694f7bc6335c7ded089c22c53da84d9a809b0518ee.jpg

Oh, so now you are attacking other people's "propriety and class"?  How ignorant.   You have nothing to defend GAW, so you decided to attack other people's grammar?  That's just great!

Again, Answer those real questions!  stop these meaningless arguments.

Haha the guy just called me a bitch but I'm the one attacking him. You're drowning in your own pile of crap Mr. Troll.
I'm sure both of these accounts belong to you. You must be bored.

Why so mad bro? Are you a customer or just the Internet police?

I do not want the whole crypto currency eco system to be ruined by scammers like GAW.  Do you ???

OK, just Internet police troll. Thanks for protecting us from the bad man.

Also, FlexHash | The real hash power leasing platform

Sounds like a competitor talking trash to me. That's from Google but I guess I should screencap for "evidence"

Maybe they are competitors. We don't even know what kind of products or services they are going to offer.

However, what I do care about is that flexhash did list very valid points against GAW. 
GAW cannot address any of thoes allegations
Or maybe you should contact those ASIC manufacturer to see if flexhash is lying.

Dude, stop the charade YOU are flexhash because nobody else heard about them before you. I like the skin on the site though although the content sucks. Good luck selling something when you're value prop seems to be "the other guy sucks, buy from us."

I do not care if they are competitors. Maybe flexhash is another GAW scam, we don't know and I do not care.

what I do care about is that flexhash did list very valid points against GAW. 
And GAW cannot address any of thoes allegations.  Do you understand my English?

Not another 'GAW is a selective scam' thread?
This place is full of them.
It would be fuller still, but they often get deleted. So strange.

   BUYER BEWARE <=> Gawminers <=> ZenCloud <=> Hashlet <=> ZenMiners <=> ZenPool
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=742738.0
   NEW Hashlet miner from Gawminers HUGE REVOLUTION
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741976.0
        GAW Miner possible scam-y alert (developing)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=626933.0

Anyone would think there must be something to it.

Wait, no, steady on, they pay off the complainers, not the admins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741838.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741062.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=710091.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671920.0
Threads with selective scamming accusations.

List is not complete.

You're accusing a forum administrator of taking a bribe? You better have some real proof to back this trash talk.

 Here are some of the real facts: GAW has already delivered asic miners all around the world to many people. Their webpages, products, controllers, ect all work correctly. Most all of their customers are satisfied with them, myself included. Now I don't honestly know what is going on behind the scenes, but at this point I'm pretty happy with them.

They did deliver miners, but that's why they are even more dangerous.  They started as a legit scrypt ASIC miner reseller, but now turned into a legit/scam hybrid.

Did you read my previous quotes from that website?
If you buy physical miners from them now, they will probably deliver (maybe still have a small stock) or they will try to convert you to their "cloud miner" customer.
Some of their legit customers will defend GAW, that's Josh's plan.

Where are the communications from the ASIC manufacturers you speak of? Produce them please.

There is no proof of anything you've said, multiple, multiple times. 

He won't cause it's all made up :D

Just look at his posts, every 2-3 posts he either reposts the same things he wrote on his sad site or just posts a link to that site.
He must be working for the competition.

His uptime today is amazing, he's posting this crap whole day. Have a break dude!

Uh, actually, I think the important thing is here:


That's kind of a smoking gun right there. You mean to say that they host miners, but don't let you mine where you want to mine?

(I don't have any link to GAW at all. I was just keeping abreast of the latest in scam when I came across this thread)

Hrm. I just had a PM from 'GAW Miners_CEO'.  It said: "The reason we dont allow folks to put in their own pool is to follow our uptime commitment. The number one issue that we deal with on our hosting platform, that does allow for their own pools, is folks putting in the wrong pool info. This then creates down time, that the customer (often) blames us for"

Screenshot, with mouseover the User ID
https://i.imgur.com/1SQ8bAP.png

This makes me even MORE suspicious.  Because, according to the OP, their hosting platform does NOT allow people to enter their own pools, or change the account.   Either way, I can't see why, even if they DID have a whitelist of known good pools, they wouldn't allow people to mine to their own accounts on the known good pools.

Which is it OP?

Can you hide under the rock from which you crawled ? Make a new account and try again troll. No one even read shit You newbites posts why you cant get that ?

Yes it would be nice to login to your own pool and mine coins directly to a wallet.  But that does not make Gaw/Zen any less legit.  

This was posted by rootdude @ redit and it's perfect.

Just like lunamine...sounds too good to be true, and it probably is.

Did lunamine show pictures of their data center? Did they show their faces and names? Did they have a brick and mortar company, with an office you can visit and express your thoughts?
Did they offer you credit card payments?

Apples and oranges...

What a fail thread. Threads created by newly created accounts are so smelly as this whole 'GAW is evil' trolling. Just stop it or prove their evildoing. Simple as that.

Are you kidding me?  that photo of their "datacentre" with innosilicon A2 miners (that's 90MHs for each miner).  
Are you telling me that you can see 1655 A2 terminator miners in that photo ??? (149000MHs as of today for GAW's cloud mining).

I bet innosilicon didn't sell that many to them. Again, check with innosilicon.

Why should we.  Currently you and that dickhead whistleblower (or maybe I should just call you both dickheads since you are the same person) are just blowing smoke and being sorry ass excuses for human beings by not providing any proof.

Do you really think any ASIC manufacturer will give a nobody such as yourselves information to show how many units they sold?  No they wouldn't and if you think we believe the accusations you throw out there, it just shows your a bigger douchebag than we all thought.

This thread is entertaining.
I do not know if GAWMINERS scam or not.
But, why all the complaints coming from newbie account?

Working with CEO to get my refund.. we will see how it goes

Any proof yet or can a Mod remove this thread?

You invested with gaw and read this thread and now you got scared? buuuh

There's nothing wrong with OP's first post for this thread. He states that he can't prove any of it... I'm a GAW customer and GAW can't prove that I'm mining on real hardware, I've asked several times for them to show me my actual miners and they say they can't actually show me my exact miners. As soon as my free hosting is up, I'm getting them shipped to me, I'll post my updates when/if I get them. I ask why I can't point them to a pool of my choosing and they say it's not possible because they can't guarantee uptime (even if I tell them that I waive them of that responsibility).  Now they've launched hashlets and there's no proof of what exactly they doing to provide this mining service and how they intend to provide ROI. Oh yes, one more detail, if you store you coins with them, they tell you that you'll get an 11% return per year.  While I don't think GAW is a full ponzi, I do think there is something funny going on behind the scenes that they aren't disclosing that allows them to make promises based on what is an unknown future in mining (continued ROI and an 11% return specifically). 

I will state that my questions over on gawtalk have been deleted or a thread closed right after my questions. I'll get emails directly after posting from GAW staff asking me to contact them for a deep discount, and I've heard (but no proof) that some people are paid off to remove comments from people questioning gaw openly. Several people warned about lunamine and the same response was shouted down at others who raised questions. Pbmining is much worse than GAW though, I think it's only a matter of time before they're fully exposed.

No I asked for a refund way before I saw this thread..

Are you just making accounts and posting about Gawminers?

So, he's not allowed to spend any time with his family on a Saturday because he has to wait to respond to you? 

NEWS FLASH:  The world doesn't revolve around you.

CEO is doing a great job in resolving my issue, I am very happy so far with our communication and him willing to solve my issue.. will remove all negative comments once issues is resolved

Some people are little a bit to mutch internet and they sometimes dont know what day it is ;)

Hashlets are difficulty derivatives. They don't have the hardware behind them, they don't need to. They are only a scam if they stop paying out what should be gotten with the hashpower you have paid for.

There is nothing wrong with difficulty derivatives. It is not a scam. If you think this is a scam, you must think that the $22 billion in derivatives trading annually is a scam.

http://bitcoinexaminer.org/bitcoin-developer-gavin-andresen-suspects-cloud-mining-operations-ponzi-schemes/


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WHAT on earth happen to all my posts i had on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741838.new#new    seems it went from 19 pages to just introduction post did i miss something?

thank you CEO for taking care of my issue, A+! :)

There's a whole thread about new hardware on hashtalk.org
All speculation should end when they deliver Vaultbreakers as promised.

https://hashtalk.org/t/vaultbeakers-come-early/7605/145

Hmmm...I bought a hashlet...except some minor hiccups with activation, so far everything looks fine - hope it stays that way :/

I don't consider Hashtalk credible for information, it's completely run by GAW staff, posts are deleted, threads are closed when the discussion does not go the way the ownership would like it to go.

He states, "The conclusion is for you to decide" and while I don't agree with everything he posts, he makes a few good points. No had "proof" lunamine was a scam, but people had suspicions and I don't blame anyone for being cautious with GAW. What's a bit disturbing though is the instant and firebrand loyalty to these cloudmining companies like gawminers and pbmining. Running a signature campaign, throwing up ads, and sending out few payments doesn't automatically make them beyond reproach.

It's a little hard to prove that people have been paid to remove posts, but I'll tell you what, when I complained on the forums, I got an email from GAW saying they wanted to talk to me about some fantastic pricing they could offer me, which was not the usual emails you see (newletter, oneminer, etc) from them as a customer.

Again no proof, but where there's smoke....

I don't think a campaign makes a company a scam, but I also don't think it proves it's a real company. My point is that GAW is following the exact same formula that other scams and ponzi's have followed to build a league of supporters quickly. At this point, to me, they're trying to purchase loyalty with a sig campaign, as part of a capitalistic marketplace they are entitled to do that, but them doing so does not make them any more legitimate. They are entitled to try to buy customers through advertising, paid shill accounts, or whatever scheme they want to use to get people to buy from them.  They act like cheerleaders with a shirt-cannon at a hockey game, if that's what they want to do, hey go for it. I'm not buying their act of being the best thing to ever happen in cloud mining though just because they say so.

Bernie Madoff had the 18th floor of an office building on 3rd avenue (with pictures too)but  that didn't make his business legitimate though. Like I said, I do think they have some equipment, but I also think they are doing something fishy with customer deposits to be able to offer an 11% return per year.  They act like they have no obligation to tell customers what they are doing, that they have some secret sauce that allows them to always offer an ROI in the mining service, but I just don't believe them.  My own opinion with the hashlet is that you aren't really "mining" in any sense, you're investing in their infrastructure for a percentage of a return with no protections. You have to trust them, which is up to you and everyone else, but they don't get an instant prerogative of legitimacy offering investments. I'd be more inclined to believe them if they called themselves gaw-dice, and be done with it.

I would not remove my post, I would post an addendum to the post as an "update" and what the resolution was and what the terms of the settlement or resolution was. 

We registered this account because we were notified that there are some heated discussions here regarding content of our website.

First of all, yes, we are preparing for a real flexible hash power leasing platform. Actually we have been in preparation for some time.

Secondly, no, we do not consider GAW as our competitor, they are just a mine reseller turned into scam.  People will find out the truth.

It is interesting to look at all these drama Josh put together.  
The 750MHs super miner... as we expected, now turned into a "virtual" one.
The recent "mining farm" photo... Well, we can all tell that's just a warehouse with Zeus Miners, no power, no network, not A2 miners.

On the other hand, we also heard some people say: GAW has been around for a few month, FlexHash is just nobody.
Well...... I will soon show them that we are not new, and we are not nobody  8)

https://FlexHash.com (https://FlexHash.com)

What you said about GAW's activities being ponzi scheme. What argument is that really, after all some people are saying that whole crypto currency world is one big ponzi scheme. It is risky business simple as that, and GAW did not cheat anyone so far and they are multi million dollar company... Have a little faith.

GAW did not cheat anyone? give me a break.  I cannot believe that with so many obvious findings out there, you are still saying that GAW did not lie?

And, for your information, they did lie about the "multi million dollar" purchase of Zenminer, which was their own operation in the first place.
Also, do you know that there are many multi million dollar ponzi scheme out there?

Ah I see you've come out of sock-puppet phase and created a new account that at least shows you're a competitor. How about you concentrate on your business instead of backing accusations without proof? Everyone looking at flaccidhash.com is going to google it and discover your asshat posts here and think... hmmm, nah I'm putting any money into that!

Proof?
Where is the 750MHs miner?
Why show a photo of a warehouse and tell people that's a mining farm?  Believe me, we know what big mining farms should look like.
Why zencloud/hashlet numbers does not make sense at all?
Spend some time read this one, it is long but should give you some more information.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.300 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.300)


Also, Josh, you have not bought any miners from any of those scrypt asic manufacturers for a long time, how did you manage to support your "236GHs" cloud mining service?

One thing I am very sure, GAW does not have hardware needed for their operation.

Sure, sure. Time for your daily Reddit posts, you better get to it.

Can't you see that they do not have a mining farm big enough to support their operation? 
They announced the 750MHs miner simply because they want people to give they money.
They are not capable of and didn't even try to make a new chip. 
Why bother the hard work when they can simply get people's money by telling them lies?

OK... soon just like when you'll produce the proof you've been screaming about under various aliases. Good luck with that.

Very unprofessional way to act for someone in your position.  I doubt anyone here will use "flexhash". 

GAW has stated that they are running their cloud service on "custom hardware". 

I imagine that with the amount of revenue they have generated through asic sales, GAW is more than capable of sourcing such hardware.

Beat your competitors by being better, not by talking trash.  That's what GAW did.

I PERSONALLY LIKE THE STORY LOOKING LIKE THE WIZARD OF OZ LOL. ALSO NO I AM NOT YELLING STUPID CAPS LOCK BUTTON IS STUCK SO GOT TO REBOOT TO GET IT TURNED OFF LOL SORRY OR BUY NEW KEYBOARD.

Please allow me to explain that there are 4 script ASIC manufacturer in the world at the moment, in the order of product releasing: Gridseed GC3355, Innosilicon A2, Zeus & Silverfish. We have close relationship with all of them.
There are other companies probably working on it as well but they do not have a product yet, e.g. KnC & blissdevices.

Now, could you please explain what do you mean "custom hardware"? Are you talking about the "vaultbreaker"?  I don't believe GAW is capable of developing an ASIC chip themselves.
Even if they wanted to, it will not only cost a lot of money but also many months.
If you are interested, there is a really good article interviewed Gridseed CEO (in Chinese, you can use google translate to get the rough idea):
http://www.gridseed.com/news/2014/04/23/3/


BTW, do not believe the revenue figure they claimed. They just want themselves to appear big in order to attract more customers.

Four asic chip manufacturers that you know of.  You still have no proof.  Focus on building your own service.  You are obviously worried that GAW will make what you intend to offer obsolete.

Aside from that, their suppliers legally cannot discuss orders from another customer with you.  That's against the law. 

So your claim that you have spoken with these manufacturers is either grounds for a law suit, or entirely false.

Well, you do not have to trust me. You can simply list everything you know so far, and use your own brain to analyse them.
Regarding your legal perspective, GAW will see some legal actions very soon.    Also, FYI, all these four scrypt ASIC manufacturers are based in China, not in the US.

Pretty sure people can take delivery of their vaultbreakers if the want to

Good for you, Captain Obvious!  Those four are in China!  Who cares?  That isn't a response to anything I have said.

I stated that it would be illegal for a manufacturer to disclose its dealings with a distributor to you.  That's not a "legal perspective", that's a legal fact!

What if GAW has a deal with someone outside of the four you listed? I guess this wouldn't be possible to a close-minded individual such as yourself.



Why do you think the US Government keeps top secret military projects under wrap?  It's to maintain military superiority over other countries, to stay on top!

GAW seems to be on the cutting edge, why should they share their secrets?  That would be an unwise business decision.

You're either a troll or a moron, maybe both. 

Show up with proof or go home.

Lol he's trying to advertise his site by accusing the competition of dishonesty.

Is that how cheap marketing looks like nowadays? I don't have money so lets talk crap on some forums and people will come like flies :D

Pathetic!

Hmmmm didn't Josh do that too?   ;D

Josh is indeed very good at this. Didn't he attack KnC?  At least KnC is a proper company that has proper R&D. GAW's vaultbreaker is a total joke.

I don't agree when you say " I don't have money so lets talk crap"

I have showed you our mining farm, it does cost a lot of money to build.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720844.msg8534072#msg8534072
But I don't have $8M to buy my own company like what Josh did.

If you consider logical reasoning as crap, well, I don't know what to say.

So this FlexHash site - doesn't look like they're selling anything, looks like it's just trying to prove how they think GAWMiners is running a scam. Is that the business model? Try and sell hashes on the foundation of trying to convince people that GAWMiners is running a scam?

Yes that's exactly what he's doing.

Making all those anti GAW topics proof You are a troll or a payed troll. Just die please...

I am starting to see a pattern here.....anyone named Josh seems to be involved in scams.....Josh (BFL), Josh (AMT), and now another one for GAW miners. Is this some kind of thing with people named Josh?

Please show me some people scammed by GAW and we'll talk.

Maybe you haven't noticed but this topic was made by a new account that wrote a bunch of lies and disappeared when asked for a proof :)

I myself would like to see proof of a scam. I really hope it is just some one trying to make the competition look bad but if it is true we all deserve to see the proof and not just empty words

I hope they are not a scam, and we all will make some profit with hashlets

where in all that is the proof? what did I miss?

I'm a customer, not a GAW Polyanna that is shooting money out of a cannon with little regard to getting detailed information from vague marketing statements. While I appreciate the fact there are hardcore GAW folks, some of us are looking for how's and the why's to set aside doubts. After all, If it's too good to be true, then it probably is.

Telling someone to be careful with their money shouldn't be a bad thing, if you don't like the thread move on to the next one and get your GAW t-shirt and hashlet fireworks kit and go on with your party. I mine to make money and if someone looks suspect to losing money, we should be able to discuss it without the threads getting closed on a consistent basis.

You'll lose more credibility shutting down the lies than you will heralding the truth.


Fact - Missed payments
Fact - Maintenance fees doubled charged
Fact - Support tickets opened for more than 24 hours that go unresolved
Fact - Product purchased and tracking number "promised" but not delivered.

Warning all miners to be careful, pass on GAW for now.

Don't even quote it, acount that posted it is a troll and hasn't defended his claim or even logged in for over a week.

no comment on cloverme ? Not a newbie account but a Customer .
I think u should address his concerns instead of commenting on the other.

What I just posted on another thread:

How about this.
Go out and get a 0% for x months credit card. 12 to 15 month offers are everyplace now if you have any kind of credit.
Once you get the card, buy Hashlets up to your limit.
As your payouts come in convert the BTC to cash and use it to pay down the credit card.
If before you pay off your card GAW turns out to be a scam / ponzi then you call the credit card company, tell them and be on your way.
They will not make you pay off the rest if you have been using your payouts to pay them back. You are out nothing but a bit of your time.
If they are not a scam, then who cares, you pay off your card, take your profit and be on your way.

I have 250 Mh/s and I don't think they are a scam. I just think they are more interested in making stuff pretty then making it work well.


It's a growth thing, for now it's more marketing then pure engineering.  If you look at some BTC mining pools you see that. Why do people go to ghash instead of eligius? Because ghash is nicer looking. And although WizKid who runs eligius looks to be a very good programmer, he can come off very cranky at times. Ghash support might ignore you (a lot), and then not deal with the issue (a lot), but they have never (at least I have never seen them) lash out against someone in a public forum.

That matters. I left eligius and now mine elsewhere after supporting them for a long time because of WK attitude of dealing with some things.
Same here a GAW, their support is horrible at time, but they at least pretend to be working on it. I have had other places who do work on problems and then after it's fixed tell you to f--k off.

Just my view.

Off to grill for the holiday.

-Dave

Thanks for the advice.

You are right, GAW is good at marketing than engineering. In fact, they are not mining for customers, the vaultbreaker is not real, so there is no engineering part.

And the troll keeps trolling. Why aren't we no longer hearing stories of your lost $15k, friends in the FBI, lawsuit that was supposed to be in progress, federal investigations, proofs of GAW being a scam you were supposed to give us last month. Still waiting :)

Read his trust comments.

Dear GAW trolls (EvilPanda, bitgeek), please let me know your price, I wan to hire you.

BTW, bitgeek are you talking to me? I have no idea wft you are talking about.

Same shills on every post sticking up for gaw..... panda, star, air, geek etc.

Lmfao @ CCN, the page is all hashlet link now, I guess Scotts tin cup is almost full @ hashtalk... Lets see his comments as a journalist:

A lie

Scott Fargo replied to the topic Hashlets in the forum Altcoin Mining 1 WEEK, 1 DAY AGO
The thing with hashlets is they are not in infinite supply just like hardware.
I have not seen any hardware go up in value yet like hashlets have. I like the platform they have and I will tour a data center as soon as I heal up enough to travel and see Josh and verify the hardware.
So far they are a great buy.


When will this happen Scott, I guess YOU WILL NOT VISIT THEM SOON and be a nice boy, you should apply for a paying job at the major media outlets because it seems like you wear knee pads well and follow orders!!

I have respect for Gavin and I think his question should be answered, if that didn't raise a red flag idk what will.. Also like many others have stated about the questions from other members "THOSE ARE VALID QUESTIONS". Gaw has lied many times, zencontroler claimed many things like 1 click pool switching, automatic updates and a bunch of other baloney. Bring back roi  is a scam or a joke? Used hardware being sent as new to paid customers and I wont get into the valid questions about cracklets or was it hashlets....

BE CAREFUL WITH THIS COMPANY!

So you needed to make a new account to say this? Every person that says good things about GAW is a shill? Nice theory :D
At least they aren't hiding behind sockpuppet accounts like you.

O snap new troll all i see is talking where is proof ? Yea keep talking :)

Anybody that asks real questions on GAWs forums gets a ban, too funny. There was 1 member named penny something that was asking great questions, I have not seen him since. As far as the questions posted here.... NONE HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. YOU ALWAYS SEE THE SAME DEFENDERS ON ALL THE POSTS... Dont believe me, do a gaw, hashlet search and you will find panda, air, star and company on all of them defending their ponzi company but will not answer any of the REAL questions!! They avoid the REAL questions like if its the ebola virus..

Just like you avoid posting from 1 account but keep creating new ones.
There's this word "proof" in the title of this thread and so far you've failed to provide it.

And one more thing, skip the capital letters next time, your posts will look less dumb.

LOL, another I have no proof, but sacred to buy thread.

Please post some real questions...

Other then you want to know exactly how they are doing it, so it becomes worthless.

Anything that makes money and is made public how to do quickly gets diluted and loses all value.

To those saying it is paying more then average so it must be a scam... I would argue there are many many many many many .. did I mention many possibilites of how they a e making a better then average return and maybe none of them are actually ones being used.


Just off the top of my head... possibly taking all customer hashing power and repackaging it into rental rigs that people consistently pay over market for?

Not to mention economies of scale, location of the datacenters in places with the cheapest electric on the planet?

Again, I could go on and even the 2 I mentioned above might not even be being used.


Edit - To be clear could GAW be possibly not telling the whole story?  Sure, just like anything else in crypto you need to be careful.  HOWEVER! The op claimed proof and yet not one bit of proof has been given.


Heck should I state even the 2 possibilities I mentioned above and start a thread and say proof GAW is not a scam?  No, because I have no proof they are doing what I mentioned.

http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1yqx55/mining_rig_builders_do_not_sell_anything_or/

http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1yh23g/has_anyone_here_sold_their_own_rig_on_ebay_and/

http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1yh23g/has_anyone_here_sold_their_own_rig_on_ebay_and/cfkvbbk

Josh Garza's eBay account: http://www.ebay.com/usr/jett2008

Wanna know what other Josh likes Jettas: http://www.communityhosting.net/Jetta/

This has been posted here countless times and was proven to be fake. Any reason why you're spreading fake info, posted by someone who deleted his account right after?

And if this is really his ebay account, please check if there are any negative comments related to the "story" you posted. You'll find that there are none, which IMO is a proof such transaction never took place.

Dude...idiot...

Signature campaign members are not GAW. God.

and the ponzi colapsed: no more BTC withdraws.
http://snag.gy/Z4XfQ.jpg

but wait, maybe there is another way: i can turn my hashlet into a stacker, withdraw my XPY and turn them back to BTC, right?
wrong: they already realized that way out and have disabled that option:

http://snag.gy/KRHNv.jpg

GAWsome!

And the SCAM prize of the year goes to...

try to call them :)

Anyone with GAW or *any* Bitcoin work of ANY kind is officially on the do-not-hire list for ALL of my companies. We require a certain level of intelligence and honesty, and frankly the entire industry is tainted. I may be a newbie here, but I'm a CEO in the real world and have hiring authority in other companies.

Good luck. I was "playing around" with BTC with both hardware and Hashlets. Clearly you all need *serious* regulatory enemas. I think I was one of the chronologically oldest people goofing around with this and I have some advice for some of you kids: Learn how to work. Bitcoin is nothing more than some fantasy land for lazy millennial who think that scamming is a legitimate occupation.

Keep promoting this stuff, you're helping me weed out the idiots in my hiring processes.

So it looks like the OP was right.  :o

Looks like a few of the "Senior" members of this forum owe some apologies (AirFlame, Stargazer, EvilPanda, Alienesb).

Bif Ugly Troll 1 : AF 0

Apologies for what? All I did in this thread was call out Flexhash for being a shill of his competing service which is just as dead as GAW. Don't compare me to EvilPanda.