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Title: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 15, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 15, 2014, 11:35:06 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822298.msg9205811#msg9205811


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: cinnamon_carter on October 15, 2014, 11:36:30 PM
Suppose for a moment we assume a 'god' exists.

Who / What created that 'god' ?

A circular arguement.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle certainly is enough evidence for me there is no one at the control panel since it would be impossible.

The experiments completed by Bell and others prove that you will never understand the universe in terms of classical physics.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: (oYo) on October 15, 2014, 11:38:46 PM
I knew this thread was coming any minute now.  ::)

Consider these mathematical laws:

1) Any real number, when divided by zero, produces modulus and quotient zero.

2) Any real number multiplied by zero is equal to zero.

Therefore, it logically follows, that zero divided by zero is equal to zero.


Premise 1 is false, it presupposes you can divide by zero, this operation is undefined. The division algorithm states
a=bq + r, where b|a (b divides a), The set of R/0 is not closed under division, or the multiplication inverse.

R/0 is an indeterminate form. It is undefined. A limiting process can be applied to an indeterminate form, but remember the episilon-delta proof, the limit never actually gets to zero, only "as close as we like"

The whole process shoudl be restricted to integers anyway to eliminate irrational numbers in the real set.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 15, 2014, 11:40:35 PM
Suppose for a moment we assume a 'god' exists.

Who / What created that 'god' ?

A circular arguement.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle certainly is enough evidence for me there is no one at the control panel since it would be impossible.

The experiments completed by Bell and others prove that you will never understand the universe in terms of classical physics.

Creation is a primitive concept based on our human perceptions of decay.  We feel everything must be created as we physically grow from cyclic exchanges of energy, life and death, but is not the case.

Existence always has and always existed.

We don't create existence, we channel existence.

God just is.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 15, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Suppose for a moment we assume a 'god' exists.

Who / What created that 'god' ?

A circular arguement.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle certainly is enough evidence for me there is no one at the control panel since it would be impossible.

The experiments completed by Bell and others prove that you will never understand the universe in terms of classical physics.

Creation is a primitive concept based on our human perceptions of decay.  We feel everything must be created as we physically grow from cyclic exchanges of energy, life and death, but is not the case.

Existence always has and always existed.

We don't create existence, we channel existence.

God just is.

Makes me wonder what he did to get kicked off the shroomery forums.

This nonsense would fit in perfect over there.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: (oYo) on October 15, 2014, 11:46:58 PM
Suppose for a moment we assume a 'god' exists.

Who / What created that 'god' ?

A circular arguement.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle certainly is enough evidence for me there is no one at the control panel since it would be impossible.

The experiments completed by Bell and others prove that you will never understand the universe in terms of classical physics.

Creation is a primitive concept based on our human perceptions of decay.  We feel everything must be created as we physically grow from cyclic exchanges of energy, life and death, but is not the case.

Existence always has and always existed.

We don't create existence, we channel existence.

God just is.

Makes me wonder what he did to get kicked off the shroomery forums.

This nonsense would fit in perfect over there.

Shame on you Vod. You really should give dank better credit. He's probably the best troll I've ever seen. My guess is he was making scientific sense there.  :D


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 15, 2014, 11:48:32 PM
Posted my address publicly so people could send me acid to help in my journey of bringing world peace.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 15, 2014, 11:49:32 PM
Posted my address publicly so people could send me acid to help in my journey of bringing world peace.

He's so high he can't even follow a conversation right now.   ;D


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: (oYo) on October 16, 2014, 12:44:45 AM
OMG dank you are right! You just proved god exists!  :o

Three men go into a motel. The desk clerk said the room was $30, so each man paid $10 and went to the room. A while later, the desk clerk realized the room was only $25, so he sent the bellboy to the three guys' room with $5. On the way, the bellboy couldn't figure out how to split $5 evenly between three men, so he gave each man $1 and kept the other $2 for himself.

This meant that the 3 men each paid $9 for the room, which is a total of $27. Add to that the $2 the bellboy kept and the total is $29. Where is the other dollar?

GOD HAS IT! It finally makes sense!  :D


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: GoldSurfer on October 16, 2014, 12:50:16 AM
Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?
Diploma in mathematics, I suppose?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: sickhouse on October 16, 2014, 12:55:50 AM
That's no proof, better use the spaghetti metaphor next time.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 02:14:14 AM
OMG dank you are right! You just proved god exists!  :o

Three men go into a motel. The desk clerk said the room was $30, so each man paid $10 and went to the room. A while later, the desk clerk realized the room was only $25, so he sent the bellboy to the three guys' room with $5. On the way, the bellboy couldn't figure out how to split $5 evenly between three men, so he gave each man $1 and kept the other $2 for himself.

This meant that the 3 men each paid $9 for the room, which is a total of $27. Add to that the $2 the bellboy kept and the total is $29. Where is the other dollar?

GOD HAS IT! It finally makes sense!  :D
30 − 3 + 2 = 29

Right.  So where did the extra dollar go.  Who has it?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 02:20:37 AM
Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?
Diploma in mathematics, I suppose?

No sir just an open mind and a watchful eye.  The universe is only as complicated as the depth you look into space.  You'll never find what you're looking for if you think it exists in the infinite matter around you.  That's a needle in a haystack.

Realize that all the matter around you is you and you'll stumble across the answer.

The answer was there all along.  We just strayed from it.  Everything just is.  Nothing is not, it all just is.  You know this because you experience it, you feel it.

That's no proof, better use the spaghetti metaphor next time.

If that's not the proof, what are you?



Flying spaghetti monster does exist, the universe is infinite.  That's what I find humorous about the ideology.  It doesn't mean FSM is the supreme god and ruler of all.  God is more universal, we humans tend to personify things in order to better understand it.

There's no one personified/materialized god.  There's just light.  All gods exist, all equal, all are infinite.  But no matter where you look in the cosmos, the energy of infinite pure white light and love condensed into a singular point is supreme to all lower dimensional frequencies which resonate below it.

Think about it, I was atheist growing up, not raised with religion or spirituality.  I grew up believing in nothing and fell into a deep depression from a lack of purpose and understanding in life.  I smoked weed after weeks of research that only pointed towards it's benefits as a safe medicine.  I then tripped acid after learning it's one of the most nontoxic chemicals known to man.

I went to the beach with some friends, was buried in the sand with the sun blasting through my eyelids. I felt the energy of the universe, relaxed, and let go.

I became the white light.  That experience is what allowed me to decide to dedicate my life towards helping others find this experience their self, as it is the most beautiful thing one can feel.  I decided to play guitar and followed my dream from thereon.  And I only believe more as time goes by, the light only grows.

Think about how crazy I am perceived to be, then consider if it's possible a singular point of infinite love is more powerful than facing the judgement of the world, friends and family included.

Which makes more sense?  Crazy, random, delusion, or purpose, understanding and peace.

Which is the logical viewpoint?

Feel free to reference the first post.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 16, 2014, 02:23:42 AM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?

Waiting for the math???


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 02:43:39 AM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?

Waiting for the math???

Are words not a form of logic just as numbers?

x * 0 = 0

x * ∞ = ∞x

So, you hold self awareness, correct?  Are you nothing?  Or are you everything?

The answer is not in the math equation.  The answer is in the answer.  Do you see?

I can only open the door, you must step through yourself.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 02:50:31 AM
x * ∞ = ∞x

FAIL.

x * ∞ = ∞

Blows your entire "proof of god" out the window.   :-\


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 02:57:53 AM
x * ∞ = ∞x

FAIL.

x * ∞ = ∞

Blows your entire proof of god out the window.   :-\

Actually, it doesn't at all.  x exists infinitely.  You can add any variable to infinity and it still exists infinitely.

The equation is the same, you just simplified it.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 02:58:57 AM
x * ∞ = ∞x

FAIL.

x * ∞ = ∞

Blows your entire proof of god out the window.   :-\

Actually, it doesn't at all.  x exists infinitely.  You can add any variable to infinity and it still exists infinitely.

The equation is the same, you just simplified it.  Thanks.

No problem.  I understand your math skills are limited.   ;)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 03:01:49 AM
I got A's in math until algebra 2.

After that my solution to the problem became to not solve the problem.  Why create problems for yourself?

Glad we can agree that god exists, vod.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 03:05:06 AM
Glad we can agree that god exists, vod.

You just proved god doesn't exist.   ???


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 03:06:06 AM
Username, your posts are void of meaning from my eyes.  They do not pertain to the logic presented.

The universe is not that complicated.  It may look like it, but that's the part that makes it grand.  Life wouldn't be an adventure otherwise.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 03:08:46 AM
Glad we can agree that god exists, vod.

You just proved god doesn't exist.   ???


No I didn't.

x * ∞ = ∞

=

x * ∞ = x∞

X isn't separate from infinity.  Just as life isn't.  We just add variables to create the beautiful reality of 3D space time.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 03:08:57 AM
Username, your posts are void of meaning from my eyes.  They do not pertain to the logic presented.

The universe is not that complicated.  It may look like it, but that's the part that makes it grand.  Life wouldn't be an adventure otherwise.

x = god
∞ = universe

We just agreed that the universe is the universe without god.

x * ∞ = ∞

No god involved!

I can only show you the door - you need to step through it.  Take a chance.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: vipgelsi on October 16, 2014, 03:09:15 AM
What is the point of this thread?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 03:11:12 AM
What is the point of this thread?

It's a dank thread - he makes them when he gets high.   :-\  They never make any logical sense.

His home forum - the shroomery - kicked him out, so now he posts here.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 03:17:28 AM
Username, your posts are void of meaning from my eyes.  They do not pertain to the logic presented.

The universe is not that complicated.  It may look like it, but that's the part that makes it grand.  Life wouldn't be an adventure otherwise.
I'm not talking about "the universe" (that is, "{x | x ∈ ℝ}") but everything (that is, "−0").

According to the guy who got an A in "math", the universe isn't that complicated.  The universe is simply ∞.

And as dank and I proved, the universe is the same with or without god.  i.e. god is nothing.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 03:18:20 AM
Username, your posts are void of meaning from my eyes.  They do not pertain to the logic presented.

The universe is not that complicated.  It may look like it, but that's the part that makes it grand.  Life wouldn't be an adventure otherwise.

x = god
∞ = universe

We just agreed that the universe is the universe without god.

x * ∞ = ∞

No god involved!

I can only show you the door - you need to step through it.  Take a chance.

Did you just try to prove the non existence of x by using x in the equation?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 03:18:54 AM
Did you just try to prove the non existence of x by using x in the equation?

Of course not.  x is god.  The universe is the same with or without x.  It is not necessary.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 03:20:31 AM
Username, your posts are void of meaning from my eyes.  They do not pertain to the logic presented.

The universe is not that complicated.  It may look like it, but that's the part that makes it grand.  Life wouldn't be an adventure otherwise.
I'm not talking about "the universe" (that is, "{x | x ∈ ℝ}") but everything (that is, "−0").

This is jargon.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 03:23:59 AM
Did you just try to prove the non existence of x by using x in the equation?

Of course not.  x is god.  The universe is the same with or without x.  It is not necessary.

So I assert god is everything, as the universe is the totality of existence, and you try to remove the universe from the equation?

How can you acknowledge infinity then deduce x from infinity?  It is contained within infinity.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 03:24:49 AM
So I assert god is everything, as the universe is the totality of existence, and you try to remove the universe from the equation?

How can you acknowledge infinity then deduce x from infinity?  It is contained within infinity.

I'm just going by the mathematical proof that you provided.  god is irrelevant in the universe.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 04:02:39 AM
A debate without philosophy is no debate for me.  

Well, there is no philosophy in mathematical proof.  Why did you make this thread?

I think I'm going to experience egodeath again tonight... the mood seems right.

Goodnight all!  :)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 05:01:18 AM
A debate without philosophy is no debate for me.  

Well, there is no philosophy in mathematical proof.  Why did you make this thread?

I think I'm going to experience egodeath again tonight... the mood seems right.

Goodnight all!  :)

What is math but a different language of philosophy?

Experiencing egodeath is not something you plan out or do when you're in the mood.

It's the most divine experience the universe has to offer.  How can one become everything, all frequencies together, infinite white light and love, and not believe in god?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Bitcoin Magazine on October 16, 2014, 05:15:31 AM
A debate without philosophy is no debate for me.  

Well, there is no philosophy in mathematical proof.  Why did you make this thread?

I think I'm going to experience egodeath again tonight... the mood seems right.

Goodnight all!  :)

What is math but a different language of philosophy?

Experiencing egodeath is not something you plan out or do when you're in the mood.

It's the most divine experience the universe has to offer.  How can one become everything, all frequencies together, infinite white light and love, and not believe in god?

cause god can't cure the floaters in my eyes.  that's why they're bothering me nonstop.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: (oYo) on October 16, 2014, 02:42:22 PM
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/useless.jpg




Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: cryptodevil on October 16, 2014, 03:31:40 PM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.
Says you. So these assertions are meaningless twaddle meant to sound like they are all mystical and deep.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.
Jumbled nonsense intended to sound meaningful to impressionable idiots.

Everything is everything.
Light is light, dark is dark, repeat is repeat.
Wow, useful Dank.

Everything = ∞
Really, you got anything to back that up?

Nothing = 0
No. Nothing is the absence of any 'thing'. 0 is zero, a metaphysical numerical concept.

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?

Multiply any form of logic by green, no, red, no wait, yellow, yeah that'll do, multiply any form of logic by yellow and what do you get?!!!!1!!11!

Bullshit, Dank, that's what you get. You are talking utter garbage and trying to pass it off as meaningful substance. Guess what, you are a mix of delusional mental illness and narcissistic pomposity.

Try swallowing this red pill, "You are not special".


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 04:04:23 PM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.
Says you. So these assertions are meaningless twaddle meant to sound like they are all mystical and deep.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.
Jumbled nonsense intended to sound meaningful to impressionable idiots.

Everything is everything.
Light is light, dark is dark, repeat is repeat.
Wow, useful Dank.

Everything = ∞
Really, you got anything to back that up?

Nothing = 0
No. Nothing is the absence of any 'thing'. 0 is zero, a metaphysical numerical concept.

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?

Multiply any form of logic by green, no, red, no wait, yellow, yeah that'll do, multiply any form of logic by yellow and what do you get?!!!!1!!11!

Bullshit, Dank, that's what you get. You are talking utter garbage and trying to pass it off as meaningful substance. Guess what, you are a mix of delusional mental illness and narcissistic pomposity.

Try swallowing this red pill, "You are not special".

Why did you click on a thread called mathematical proof of god if you aren't open to finding proof?

Your disconnection from the post presented stems from your own perception.  Calling something twaddle is much more meaningless than setting parameters for a logical equation.

Sometimes the deepest things are the simplest.  What you see as jumbled nonsense is really your fear and doubt labeling it as so in an attempt to cling onto your ego, your past perception. The statements covey logic perfectly as each variable is an attribution to ego, all derivatives of negativity.

A lot of people do not realize that nothing is nothing, hence those who believe in nonexistence, so it must be said in a way that people understand.

Infinity is the only possible variable for everything.  Thinking the universe is contained to our bubble is quite egocentric.

0 represents nothing in the equation.  I think you're disputing just to dispute.

And the remainder of your post is your ego clinging to it's past perception by judging and attacking the new ideology presented.

Why did you seek mathematical proof of god if you were not open to changing your view on the universe?l


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: aatrox on October 16, 2014, 04:17:02 PM
wait wht the fuk didi just read?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: cryptodevil on October 16, 2014, 04:45:12 PM
What you see as jumbled nonsense is really your fear and doubt labeling it as so in an attempt to cling onto your ego, your past perception. The statements covey logic perfectly as each variable is an attribution to ego, all derivatives of negativity.

No they don't, Dank, you keep on asserting things as fact that are nothing but delusional rambling painted as meaningful insight.

0 represents nothing in the equation.  I think you're disputing just to dispute.
No, you are misrepresenting the values in your statements in order to make them sound deep and meaningful when they are, in fact, gibberish.

And the remainder of your post is your ego clinging to it's past perception by judging and attacking the new ideology presented.

Why did you seek mathematical proof of god if you were not open to changing your view on the universe?l

*sigh*

Dude, would it *ever* occur to you that a multitude of others have been exactly where you are and that it ends up one of two ways, you either come out the other side of your mental illness realising just how 'out there' you were and recognising that you spent a lot of time talking utter shite and believing much of the crap you spoke was truly some epic 'insight', or you don't come out the other side of the mental illness at all and you live in a near-perpetual state of delusion and lunacy until something eventually breaks.

Still, I guess feigning insanity is also a good way to avoid facing up to your responsibilities.





Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 16, 2014, 05:42:34 PM
Still dont see any math...

You got A's in Algebra 2, so that means you have little experience beyond basic arithmetic.
The rest of us probably have 5-6+ years of real math and I wasn't even a math major.

This is no different that someone who claims to speak another language and just makes up the syntax as grammar as they go..

Look I speak Spanish!

?wfopjg  pibjFDPIBPIGJL ;BKJBDSLKVBAFS?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of God
Post by: BADecker on October 16, 2014, 06:06:59 PM
Where is the mathematical proof, dank? The ideas may be close to accurate, but the topic has to do with mathematical proof, right? If this is math, it is a very abstract form of math.

:)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 06:40:48 PM
If you do not see that non existence is non existent from the post, then I can help you no further.  Only you can find understanding.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 16, 2014, 06:55:49 PM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?
So where's this claimed proof then?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 07:02:58 PM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?
So where's this claimed proof then?

I cannot answer the question for you, you must see it yourself.

Saying "god does not exist" is equivalent to "god is nothing"

And what is nothing?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Decksperiment on October 16, 2014, 07:14:36 PM

I would love to provide this proof by taking a photo of my drawing of this one, not found the upload pic from pc button :(


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 16, 2014, 07:16:38 PM
Experiencing egodeath is not something you plan out or do when you're in the mood.

It's the most divine experience the universe has to offer.  How can one become everything, all frequencies together, infinite white light and love, and not believe in god?

First of all, that's nothing like the experience of egodeath.  It feels like a sneeze when you're thinking about your favourite gal, only 42 times better.

Second, you don't need to believe in a false god to experience egodeath - in fact such negative thoughts hinder your ability. All you need is a soul to keep your body alive as your ego dies, and a full stomach.

Finally, I do experience egodeath when I'm in the mood.  I experienced it last night from 11am to around 6am this morning.  Then I laid in bed for another couple hours thinking about what I had experienced.  Might do it again tonight if I'm alone.

dank, I strongly urge you to pay your debt, get your soul back, and experience egodeath for yourself.  It's neat.   :)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 16, 2014, 07:24:59 PM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?
So where's this claimed proof then?

I cannot answer the question for you, you must see it yourself.

Saying "god does not exist" is equivalent to "god is nothing"

And what is nothing?

Confirmed no proof. Scam attention seeking thread.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: BADecker on October 16, 2014, 07:29:53 PM
Mathematical logic isn't the same as mathematical proof. And I'm not saying I would take the time to examine mathematical proof if I saw it. But I don't even see it. It may be implied, but at least, show us the math clearly. Certain logic is there in your statements. But how is it mathematical? And how is it proof? Spell it out.

:)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 11:43:22 PM
Wow, the last three posts were shills.

Buffer, this is the part where you have to use both sides of your brain, not just your left ego mind.  Something has to click, as I have made the answer very obvious.

Vod, you're ridiculous.  You cannot stay in a state of egodeath for 7 hours, you would let go from the energy of the experience.  That's like taking.  Gram of acid, 10'000 hits.  It doesn't kill you, you just let go.

Egodeath normally lasts for a matter of seconds.  It is a rare experience in the world, yet everyone deserves to experience it.  It is the most beautiful state of existence in the entire universes.  It is the source.  Your soul, that's all you have when you lose ego.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 16, 2014, 11:56:11 PM
Can your brain not calculate the common factor of these:

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: beetcoin on October 17, 2014, 01:24:40 AM
speaking of god, i find this movie hilarious in its depiction of atheists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PWFEeRApA


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 17, 2014, 01:27:17 AM
Egodeath normally lasts for a matter of seconds.  It is a rare experience in the world, yet everyone deserves to experience it.  It is the most beautiful state of existence in the entire universes.  It is the source.  Your soul, that's all you have when you lose ego.

All you need is a soul to keep your body alive as your ego dies, and a full stomach.

Dank Soul Guarantee - Danksurance
The Dank Soul Gurantee is my karma based system of insurance.  I acknowledge and respect that karma would play a negative role on me if I were to steal anybodies deposit, thus, offering an incentive to not perform such an action.  Dank Bank, as with many other investment opportunities, is largely trust based.  I hereby give my word and my soul that I will perform as an honest trader, no exceptions.

(mod edit: dank has refused to repay, and thus forfeited his collateral - his soul)

Out of the two of us, I'm the only one that has ever experienced egodeath.  You need a soul to experience egodeath.

So shut up until you get a soul and can experience it for yourself.    ;)

Edit:  Debate that.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 17, 2014, 01:33:57 AM
Can your brain not calculate the common factor of these:

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.
"Ego" is Freudian: "0 ÷ 0 = −0".

Are you talking about Sigmund Freud?  His model is a fraud.

us t is + and -.  Duality.  Yin and yang.  Ego and soul.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 17, 2014, 06:36:50 AM
Wow, the last three posts were shills.

Buffer, this is the part where you have to use both sides of your brain, not just your left ego mind.  Something has to click, as I have made the answer very obvious.

Vod, you're ridiculous.  You cannot stay in a state of egodeath for 7 hours, you would let go from the energy of the experience.  That's like taking.  Gram of acid, 10'000 hits.  It doesn't kill you, you just let go.

Egodeath normally lasts for a matter of seconds.  It is a rare experience in the world, yet everyone deserves to experience it.  It is the most beautiful state of existence in the entire universes.  It is the source.  Your soul, that's all you have when you lose ego.

You are confused between mathematical logic and mathematical proof. You have been asked to provide proof and failed. Your initial statement is false. Sometimes you have to use your brain dank.

Vod and I often have lengthy egodeath sessions. We sometimes float about and even meet up sometimes in the upper dimensions. Never seen you there.
Obviously your an amateur and never experienced real egodeath. I wish you could join us but first you must empty your soul of all that greed, negatively and hate bubbling away under the surface that you pretend isn't there. Judging others by calling them shills just fuels your hate of the truth.
Find the strength dank. Find the strength. Love. Truth. Strength.



Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: beetcoin on October 17, 2014, 07:27:21 AM
so dank, would you say that you consider yourself enlightened?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 17, 2014, 07:49:27 AM
so dank, would you say that you consider yourself enlightened?
Only when he successfully scams money off people.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 17, 2014, 07:09:12 PM
Wow, the last three posts were shills.

Buffer, this is the part where you have to use both sides of your brain, not just your left ego mind.  Something has to click, as I have made the answer very obvious.

Vod, you're ridiculous.  You cannot stay in a state of egodeath for 7 hours, you would let go from the energy of the experience.  That's like taking.  Gram of acid, 10'000 hits.  It doesn't kill you, you just let go.

Egodeath normally lasts for a matter of seconds.  It is a rare experience in the world, yet everyone deserves to experience it.  It is the most beautiful state of existence in the entire universes.  It is the source.  Your soul, that's all you have when you lose ego.

You are confused between mathematical logic and mathematical proof. You have been asked to provide proof and failed. Your initial statement is false. Sometimes you have to use your brain dank.

Vod and I often have lengthy egodeath sessions. We sometimes float about and even meet up sometimes in the upper dimensions. Never seen you there.
Obviously your an amateur and never experienced real egodeath. I wish you could join us but first you must empty your soul of all that greed, negatively and hate bubbling away under the surface that you pretend isn't there. Judging others by calling them shills just fuels your hate of the truth.
Find the strength dank. Find the strength. Love. Truth. Strength.



So variables aren't allowed in math?  That's funny, I thought the point of math was to construe and convey logic, not just writing numerical equations they solely convey numbers for no meaning.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 17, 2014, 07:20:35 PM
Wow, the last three posts were shills.

Buffer, this is the part where you have to use both sides of your brain, not just your left ego mind.  Something has to click, as I have made the answer very obvious.

Vod, you're ridiculous.  You cannot stay in a state of egodeath for 7 hours, you would let go from the energy of the experience.  That's like taking.  Gram of acid, 10'000 hits.  It doesn't kill you, you just let go.

Egodeath normally lasts for a matter of seconds.  It is a rare experience in the world, yet everyone deserves to experience it.  It is the most beautiful state of existence in the entire universes.  It is the source.  Your soul, that's all you have when you lose ego.

You are confused between mathematical logic and mathematical proof. You have been asked to provide proof and failed. Your initial statement is false. Sometimes you have to use your brain dank.

Vod and I often have lengthy egodeath sessions. We sometimes float about and even meet up sometimes in the upper dimensions. Never seen you there.
Obviously your an amateur and never experienced real egodeath. I wish you could join us but first you must empty your soul of all that greed, negatively and hate bubbling away under the surface that you pretend isn't there. Judging others by calling them shills just fuels your hate of the truth.
Find the strength dank. Find the strength. Love. Truth. Strength.



So variables aren't allowed in math?  That's funny, I thought the point of math was to construe and convey logic, not just writing numerical equations they solely convey numbers for no meaning.

Embrace love dank, let go of your hate. The universe is increasing it's vibration frequency, due to your inner unbalance. Love.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 18, 2014, 05:56:49 PM
so dank, would you say that you consider yourself enlightened?

Almost.  Am very close.

Username, you're just saying a bunch of logically deprived statements in a complicated manner to act like the universe is complicated and that what you say makes sense.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Dark_Vader on October 18, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Here i have the mathematical proof:

88
8 x 8 = 64
(6 / 3) + (4 / 3) = 3.333 rounded to 3
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

 ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 18, 2014, 06:36:57 PM
Here i have the mathematical proof:

88
8 x 8 = 64
(6 / 3) + (4 / 3) = 3.333 rounded to 3
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

 ::) ::) ::)

Nonsense here is the proof:

d4nk = gr33dy sc4mm3r


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Dark_Vader on October 18, 2014, 07:10:47 PM
Here i have the mathematical proof:

88
8 x 8 = 64
(6 / 3) + (4 / 3) = 3.333 rounded to 3
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

 ::) ::) ::)

Nonsense here is the proof:

d4nk = gr33dy sc4mm3r

Give this man a cookie!  ;D


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 18, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
Here i have the mathematical proof:

88
8 x 8 = 64
(6 / 3) + (4 / 3) = 3.333 rounded to 3
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

 ::) ::) ::)

Nonsense here is the proof:

d4nk = gr33dy sc4mm3r

Give this man a cookie!  ;D

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_h8Tp8AXdL5I/SwVU60f4HaI/AAAAAAAAB1E/S1zNrxZhoac/s1600/cookie-monster.jpg


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Vod on October 18, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
so dank, would you say that you consider yourself enlightened?

Almost.  Am very close.

so dank, you don't need a soul to become enlightened?  Anyone can do as easily as they can experience egodeath?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 18, 2014, 08:29:22 PM
This thread is boring!

Can we have some actual math discussion? I love how dank referred to some set builder notation as "jargon", and then spews nothing but.

Proofs from Aquinas before algebra existed don't count.

More math!


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 18, 2014, 08:32:38 PM
Can we have some actual math discussion? I love how dank referred to some set builder notation as "jargon", and then spews nothing but.
If your looking for an interesting educational discussion, choosing a "dank thread" was a poor choice.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 18, 2014, 08:33:50 PM
Can we have some actual math discussion? I love how dank referred to some set builder notation as "jargon", and then spews nothing but.
If your looking for an interesting educational discussion, choosing a "dank thread" was a poor choice.

HAHA


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: bl4kjaguar on October 19, 2014, 08:01:51 AM
If you want to crucify dank, fine.

Let he who is without blame hammer the first nail.

Who is ready to equate themselves with the Lord that only sees perfection? How will you ever balance such an equation when you do not practice forgiveness?

Dank rebels against your greed.

HOW CAN BITCOIN HEAL A SICKENED WORLD IF BITCOINERS DO NOT DIAGNOSE THE ILLNESS?

The root of all evil is the love of money.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/47/f7/05/47f705d4b050a6286f3ff40128a85fec.jpg


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 19, 2014, 08:05:19 AM
If you want to crucify dank, fine.

Let he who is without blame hammer the first nail.

Who is ready to equate themselves with the Lord that only sees perfection? How will you ever balance such an equation when you do not practice forgiveness?

Dank rebels against your greed.

HOW CAN BITCOIN HEAL A SICKENED WORLD IF BITCOINERS DO NOT DIAGNOSE THE ILLNESS?

The root of all evil is the love of money.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/47/f7/05/47f705d4b050a6286f3ff40128a85fec.jpg

No math  :( you fail as well.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: bl4kjaguar on October 19, 2014, 08:11:26 AM
No math  :( you fail as well.
Get on your feet; it's time to do some math!

Quotes from a brilliant mathematician, and related:

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
This blindness (or prejudice, or whatever you may call it) of logicians is indeed surprising. But I think the explanation is not hard to find. It lies in a widespread lack, at that time, of the required epistemological attitude toward metamathematics and toward non-finitary reasoning. …

[M]y objectivistic conception of mathematics and metamathematics in general, and of transfinite reasoning in particular, was fundamental also to my other work in logic.

How indeed could one think of expressing metamathematics in the mathematical systems themselves, if the latter are considered to consist of meaningless symbols which acquire some substitute of meaning only through metamathematics? [emphasis his] [8–9]

How can one expect to solve mathematical problems by mere analysis of the concepts occurring, if our analysis so far does not even suffice to set up the axioms? [110]

What I call the theological worldview is the idea that the world and everything in it has meaning and reason, and in particular a good and indubitable meaning. It follows immediately that our worldly existence, since it has in itself at most a very dubious meaning, can only be means to the end of another existence. The idea that everything in the world has a meaning [reason] is an exact analogue of the principle that everything has a cause, on which rests all of science. [217]
http://kevincarmody.com/math/goedel.html


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: bl4kjaguar on October 19, 2014, 08:12:49 AM
Quote from: Kurt Gödel
How can one expect to solve mathematical problems by mere analysis of the concepts occurring, if our analysis so far does not even suffice to set up the axioms? [110]

HOW CAN BITCOIN HEAL A SICKENED WORLD IF BITCOINERS DO NOT DIAGNOSE THE ILLNESS?

Ponder it, if you dare.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Rayban34 on October 19, 2014, 08:12:55 AM
I suck at Maths.

I think God is very anthropomorphic in the sense that he hates, gives, loves, destroys, creates and so on. I've heard countless arguments from solid believers that we cannot attribute his traits to the way in which we think because he survives on a higher plane. Yet, in the same breath he floods the world because he feels his creations have become bitter and twisted. K, seems very human-like to me.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 19, 2014, 08:40:42 AM
Dank rebels against your greed.
Ever heard of the blind leading the blind?

HOW CAN BITCOIN HEAL A SICKENED WORLD IF BITCOINERS DO NOT DIAGNOSE THE ILLNESS?
I've never been under any illusions from day 1 that bitcoin will cure a sickened world. It's another tool that will be used for both good and bad.

The root of all evil is the love of money.
If someone was murdered from the motivation of jealousy, how was that evil event related to finance?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: bl4kjaguar on October 19, 2014, 11:23:37 AM
If your looking for an interesting educational discussion, choosing a "dank thread" was a poor choice.
Was it?

It's a matter of your perspective and your participation.

Embrace love dank, let go of your hate. The universe is increasing it's vibration frequency, due to your inner unbalance. Love.

Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 19, 2014, 11:28:41 AM
If your looking for an interesting educational discussion, choosing a "dank thread" was a poor choice.
Was it?

It's a matter of your perspective and your participation.
Well generally what happens in a "dank thread" is he tells everyone his views, then if anyone disagrees with him, he replys with something completely unrelated or just simple dismisses and ignores it. That's why they always end up as "The Dank Show", purely for entertainment purposes.


Embrace love dank, let go of your hate. The universe is increasing it's vibration frequency, due to your inner unbalance. Love.

Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.
I was actually just playing dank at his own silly games of just replying to a question with something completely unrelated. His favourite game. :)



Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.
God requires repentance and so must we. Dank shows none.
Suggest you educate yourself about dank.

Edit: In my life experience, handing out any unearned forgiveness too easily and others will just walk all over you. Others (including myself) should correct their wrongdoing with high priority order of precedence, or they are not genuine.



Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 19, 2014, 08:12:31 PM
No math  :( you fail as well.
Get on your feet; it's time to do some math!

Quotes from a brilliant mathematician, and related:

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
This blindness (or prejudice, or whatever you may call it) of logicians is indeed surprising. But I think the explanation is not hard to find. It lies in a widespread lack, at that time, of the required epistemological attitude toward metamathematics and toward non-finitary reasoning. …

[M]y objectivistic conception of mathematics and metamathematics in general, and of transfinite reasoning in particular, was fundamental also to my other work in logic.

How indeed could one think of expressing metamathematics in the mathematical systems themselves, if the latter are considered to consist of meaningless symbols which acquire some substitute of meaning only through metamathematics? [emphasis his] [8–9]

How can one expect to solve mathematical problems by mere analysis of the concepts occurring, if our analysis so far does not even suffice to set up the axioms? [110]

What I call the theological worldview is the idea that the world and everything in it has meaning and reason, and in particular a good and indubitable meaning. It follows immediately that our worldly existence, since it has in itself at most a very dubious meaning, can only be means to the end of another existence. The idea that everything in the world has a meaning [reason] is an exact analogue of the principle that everything has a cause, on which rests all of science. [217]
http://kevincarmody.com/math/goedel.html

I don't see a single equation, axiom, definition, or proof in this quote or the website linked.

Quote
Philosophy as an exact theory should do for metaphysics as much as Newton did for physics. I think it is perfectly possible that the development of such a philosophical theory will take place within the next hundred years or even sooner [7.3.6; portion misquoted, corrected p. 288, 332]

Newtonian physics is wrong, this quote has turned out to be wrong.

Quote
I don’t think the brain came in the Darwinian manner. In fact, it is disprovable. Simple mechanism can’t yield the brain. I think the basic elements of the universe are simple. Life force is a primitive element of the universe and it obeys certain laws of action. These laws are not simple, and they are not mechanical. [6.2.12]

Most of his musings have turned out to be false with the passage of time and advancement in the physical sciences.

Here is one the OP should take to heart.
Quote
Intuition is not proof; it is the opposite of proof. We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof. [9.2.46]

And again, this page has no math whatsoever. Quotes from a mathematician, who was wrong about a great many predictions, are not math.



Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: BADecker on October 19, 2014, 09:29:14 PM
Huh? The mathematical proof of God is the math that predicted the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe.

:)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: bl4kjaguar on October 19, 2014, 09:40:39 PM
I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical.

Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue.

Quote from: Osho
[K]nowledge that is not your own is dangerous, more dangerous than ignorance, because it is a hidden ignorance, and you will not be able to see that you are deceiving yourself. You are carrying false coins and thinking that you are a rich man. Sooner or later your poverty will be revealed. Then you will be shocked.

Quote from: Osho
I never suspect for a single moment their good intentions. Whatever these people are doing, they are doing with good intentions; but the questions is not of good intentions, the question is: What is the result?
"You may murder me with good intentions, but your good intentions cannot justify my murder.

Quote from: Osho
They have no awareness of a different dimension of knowing, so whatever they are doing is done in deep sleep."

Quote from: Osho
First: knowledge is borrowed, realise this. The very realisation becomes a dropping of it.... Learning means being responsive to whatsoever is around you.... This is a great learning, but not knowledge.

Become the truth
There is no way to find truth — except through finding it. There is simply no way unless you are without any mind within you — because mind is like a breeze, continuously flowing, and the flame goes on wavering. When mind is not there, the breeze stops, and the flame becomes unmoving. When your consciousness is an unmoving flame, you know the truth. You have to learn how not to follow the mind.

Nobody can give you the truth, nobody, not even a Buddha, a Jesus, a Krishna.... It is beautiful that truth is not transferable in any way. Unless you reach it, you cannot reach. Unless you become it, you never have it.

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents. It is a fundamental property of the mind to comprehend multitudes into unities. Sets are multitudes which are also unities. A multitude is the opposite of a unity. How can anything be both a multitude and a unity? Yet a set is just that. It is a seemingly contradictory fact that sets exist."

"To arrive at the totality of integers involves a jump. Overviewing it presupposes an infinite intuition. What is given is a psychological analysis. The point is whether it produces objective conviction."

"We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof."

"Reason and understanding concern two levels of concept. Dialectics and feelings are involved in reason."


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Mewtwo on October 19, 2014, 09:59:51 PM
I really don't know why I read this whole thread.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: BADecker on October 19, 2014, 10:08:17 PM
I really don't know why I read this whole thread.

Yes, but did you grok it?   :D


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 20, 2014, 02:52:05 AM
Huh? The mathematical proof of God is the math that predicted the Higgs Boson. Now that we have found this elusive, little particle, just ask Steven Hawking what he calls it. The God particle. It'll be an interesting day if they ever find two of them at the same time. There probably is only ONE in the whole universe.

:)

UGG!

Quote
The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?, but the name is the result of the insistence of Lederman's publisher: Lederman had originally intended to refer to it as the "goddamn particle".[64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Higgs


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: nsimmons on October 20, 2014, 02:59:54 AM
I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical.

Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue.

Quote from: Osho
[K]nowledge that is not your own is dangerous, more dangerous than ignorance, because it is a hidden ignorance, and you will not be able to see that you are deceiving yourself. You are carrying false coins and thinking that you are a rich man. Sooner or later your poverty will be revealed. Then you will be shocked.

Quote from: Osho
I never suspect for a single moment their good intentions. Whatever these people are doing, they are doing with good intentions; but the questions is not of good intentions, the question is: What is the result?
"You may murder me with good intentions, but your good intentions cannot justify my murder.

Quote from: Osho
They have no awareness of a different dimension of knowing, so whatever they are doing is done in deep sleep."

Quote from: Osho
First: knowledge is borrowed, realise this. The very realisation becomes a dropping of it.... Learning means being responsive to whatsoever is around you.... This is a great learning, but not knowledge.

Become the truth
There is no way to find truth — except through finding it. There is simply no way unless you are without any mind within you — because mind is like a breeze, continuously flowing, and the flame goes on wavering. When mind is not there, the breeze stops, and the flame becomes unmoving. When your consciousness is an unmoving flame, you know the truth. You have to learn how not to follow the mind.

Nobody can give you the truth, nobody, not even a Buddha, a Jesus, a Krishna.... It is beautiful that truth is not transferable in any way. Unless you reach it, you cannot reach. Unless you become it, you never have it.

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents. It is a fundamental property of the mind to comprehend multitudes into unities. Sets are multitudes which are also unities. A multitude is the opposite of a unity. How can anything be both a multitude and a unity? Yet a set is just that. It is a seemingly contradictory fact that sets exist."

"To arrive at the totality of integers involves a jump. Overviewing it presupposes an infinite intuition. What is given is a psychological analysis. The point is whether it produces objective conviction."

"We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof."

"Reason and understanding concern two levels of concept. Dialectics and feelings are involved in reason."

This is not math, or axioms.

Quote
noun
plural noun: axioms

    A statement or proposition that is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true. A statement or proposition on which an abstractly defined structure is based.

None of those statements are self evidently true, and I see no proof structure based on these quotes. These are not even quasi-statements, the truth value can never be determined.

Waiting for one of these
Quote
3 Methods

    3.1 Direct proof
    3.2 Proof by mathematical induction
    3.3 Proof by contraposition
    3.4 Proof by contradiction
    3.5 Proof by construction
    3.6 Proof by exhaustion
    3.7 Probabilistic proof
    3.8 Combinatorial proof
    3.9 Nonconstructive proof
    3.10 Statistical proofs in pure mathematics
    3.11 Computer-assisted proofs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof

Quoting people is not an axiom.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: the joint on October 20, 2014, 05:28:13 AM
This was my old contribution from January, 2012.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61343.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61343.0)

I made a little headway and graphed it, though I don't have access to it here :(

Several years with this thing and I'm still confused as to whether I'm onto something really cool or it's a hunk of garbage. 


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: the joint on October 20, 2014, 05:42:12 AM
This was my old contribution from January, 2012.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61343.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61343.0)

I made a little headway and graphed it, though I don't have access to it here :(

Several years with this thing and I'm still confused as to whether I'm onto something really cool or it's a hunk of garbage. 

You missed that plain logic of this following:

God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?

Waiting for the math???

Are words not a form of logic just as numbers?

x * 0 = 0

x * ∞ = ∞x

So, you hold self awareness, correct?  Are you nothing?  Or are you everything?

The answer is not in the math equation.  The answer is in the answer.  Do you see?

I can only open the door, you must step through yourself.
See this following:

Consider these mathematical laws:

1) Any real number, when divided by zero, produces modulus and quotient zero.

2) Any real number multiplied by zero is equal to zero.

Therefore, it logically follows, that zero divided by zero is equal to zero.


Premise 1 is false, it presupposes you can divide by zero, this operation is undefined. The division algorithm states
a=bq + r, where b|a (b divides a), The set of R/0 is not closed under division, or the multiplication inverse.

R/0 is an indeterminate form. It is undefined. A limiting process can be applied to an indeterminate form, but remember the episilon-delta proof, the limit never actually gets to zero, only "as close as we like"

The whole process shoudl be restricted to integers anyway to eliminate irrational numbers in the real set.

Right!  If you divide something by 0, that's the same as dividing it by nothing. If something isn't divided, the thing that is left is the original something, right? Therefore, 2/0=2.

:)

   Arithmatical division is both the taking and making of groups.

   An arithmatical quotient is that number of groups made or taken as a result of that division.

∴ That arithmatical quotient of arithmatical division by zero (id est, that number of groups of, quantitatively, nothing one can take/make from any something) is absolute (indeed, that exact opposite [logical not] of quantitative nothing, "−0").

Oh, play the mathematical BS. This is the exact reason stuff is so confounded.

Take 10 Arabs in the desert. Divide their number by 2 and you get 2 groups of 5, right. Since "0" is nothing, divide them by nothing and they are not divide, right? So, there are still 10 Arabs, right?

English has its characteristic laws that don't make any sense. Mathematics is a language that has characteristic laws that don't make any sense as well. It's the reason that we have flaws in our thinking.

:)
With five Arab individuals, one may "make/take" −0 non-existent (think: null) groups of them (indeed, these would already "exist").

Look, -0 is absence of zero. So, what exactly is the amount of non-zero?

:)
See my emboldened text above.

Wasn't a question. Was English. Non-zero is the set of whatever we were talking about = 10 Arabs.

:)

See this following limakasidian number line:
Code:
−∞   …   −10   −9   −8   −7   −6   −5   −4   −3   −2   −1   0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   …   ∞

                                                           −0

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this.  I have no idea how this relates to my post, and if there was sarcasm, I definitely missed it.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: bl4kjaguar on October 20, 2014, 06:23:08 AM
I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical.

Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue.

Quote from: Osho
[K]nowledge that is not your own is dangerous, more dangerous than ignorance, because it is a hidden ignorance, and you will not be able to see that you are deceiving yourself. You are carrying false coins and thinking that you are a rich man. Sooner or later your poverty will be revealed. Then you will be shocked.

Quote from: Osho
I never suspect for a single moment their good intentions. Whatever these people are doing, they are doing with good intentions; but the questions is not of good intentions, the question is: What is the result?
"You may murder me with good intentions, but your good intentions cannot justify my murder.

Quote from: Osho
They have no awareness of a different dimension of knowing, so whatever they are doing is done in deep sleep."

Quote from: Osho
First: knowledge is borrowed, realise this. The very realisation becomes a dropping of it.... Learning means being responsive to whatsoever is around you.... This is a great learning, but not knowledge.

Become the truth
There is no way to find truth — except through finding it. There is simply no way unless you are without any mind within you — because mind is like a breeze, continuously flowing, and the flame goes on wavering. When mind is not there, the breeze stops, and the flame becomes unmoving. When your consciousness is an unmoving flame, you know the truth. You have to learn how not to follow the mind.

Nobody can give you the truth, nobody, not even a Buddha, a Jesus, a Krishna.... It is beautiful that truth is not transferable in any way. Unless you reach it, you cannot reach. Unless you become it, you never have it.

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents. It is a fundamental property of the mind to comprehend multitudes into unities. Sets are multitudes which are also unities. A multitude is the opposite of a unity. How can anything be both a multitude and a unity? Yet a set is just that. It is a seemingly contradictory fact that sets exist."

"To arrive at the totality of integers involves a jump. Overviewing it presupposes an infinite intuition. What is given is a psychological analysis. The point is whether it produces objective conviction."

"We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof."

"Reason and understanding concern two levels of concept. Dialectics and feelings are involved in reason."


Quote
noun
plural noun: axioms

    A statement or proposition that is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true. A statement or proposition on which an abstractly defined structure is based.


When Kurt Gödel tells you what a set is, that is the verbal transmission of an axiom.

You really think that the truth value of the following can never be determined?

"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents."

On what grounds do you deny this self-evident nature of sets?


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: BADecker on October 20, 2014, 04:11:08 PM
I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical.

Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue.

Quote from: Osho
[K]nowledge that is not your own is dangerous, more dangerous than ignorance, because it is a hidden ignorance, and you will not be able to see that you are deceiving yourself. You are carrying false coins and thinking that you are a rich man. Sooner or later your poverty will be revealed. Then you will be shocked.

Quote from: Osho
I never suspect for a single moment their good intentions. Whatever these people are doing, they are doing with good intentions; but the questions is not of good intentions, the question is: What is the result?
"You may murder me with good intentions, but your good intentions cannot justify my murder.

Quote from: Osho
They have no awareness of a different dimension of knowing, so whatever they are doing is done in deep sleep."

Quote from: Osho
First: knowledge is borrowed, realise this. The very realisation becomes a dropping of it.... Learning means being responsive to whatsoever is around you.... This is a great learning, but not knowledge.

Become the truth
There is no way to find truth — except through finding it. There is simply no way unless you are without any mind within you — because mind is like a breeze, continuously flowing, and the flame goes on wavering. When mind is not there, the breeze stops, and the flame becomes unmoving. When your consciousness is an unmoving flame, you know the truth. You have to learn how not to follow the mind.

Nobody can give you the truth, nobody, not even a Buddha, a Jesus, a Krishna.... It is beautiful that truth is not transferable in any way. Unless you reach it, you cannot reach. Unless you become it, you never have it.

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents. It is a fundamental property of the mind to comprehend multitudes into unities. Sets are multitudes which are also unities. A multitude is the opposite of a unity. How can anything be both a multitude and a unity? Yet a set is just that. It is a seemingly contradictory fact that sets exist."

"To arrive at the totality of integers involves a jump. Overviewing it presupposes an infinite intuition. What is given is a psychological analysis. The point is whether it produces objective conviction."

"We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof."

"Reason and understanding concern two levels of concept. Dialectics and feelings are involved in reason."


Quote
noun
plural noun: axioms

    A statement or proposition that is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true. A statement or proposition on which an abstractly defined structure is based.


When Kurt Gödel tells you what a set is, that is the verbal transmission of an axiom.

You really think that the truth value of the following can never be determined?

"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents."

On what grounds do you deny this self-evident nature of sets?

"Integer" is an Aristotelian "natural kind" whereof individual "integers" are absolutely partial manifestations. (Indeed, negative zero is the only true "Integer." [Remember, "−0 ÷ x = −0 ⇔ x ≠ −0".])

Zero (0) implies "nothing;" -0 implies "everything," the whole universe and all the dimensions.  :)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: the joint on October 20, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical.

Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue.

Quote from: Osho
[K]nowledge that is not your own is dangerous, more dangerous than ignorance, because it is a hidden ignorance, and you will not be able to see that you are deceiving yourself. You are carrying false coins and thinking that you are a rich man. Sooner or later your poverty will be revealed. Then you will be shocked.

Quote from: Osho
I never suspect for a single moment their good intentions. Whatever these people are doing, they are doing with good intentions; but the questions is not of good intentions, the question is: What is the result?
"You may murder me with good intentions, but your good intentions cannot justify my murder.

Quote from: Osho
They have no awareness of a different dimension of knowing, so whatever they are doing is done in deep sleep."

Quote from: Osho
First: knowledge is borrowed, realise this. The very realisation becomes a dropping of it.... Learning means being responsive to whatsoever is around you.... This is a great learning, but not knowledge.

Become the truth
There is no way to find truth — except through finding it. There is simply no way unless you are without any mind within you — because mind is like a breeze, continuously flowing, and the flame goes on wavering. When mind is not there, the breeze stops, and the flame becomes unmoving. When your consciousness is an unmoving flame, you know the truth. You have to learn how not to follow the mind.

Nobody can give you the truth, nobody, not even a Buddha, a Jesus, a Krishna.... It is beautiful that truth is not transferable in any way. Unless you reach it, you cannot reach. Unless you become it, you never have it.

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents. It is a fundamental property of the mind to comprehend multitudes into unities. Sets are multitudes which are also unities. A multitude is the opposite of a unity. How can anything be both a multitude and a unity? Yet a set is just that. It is a seemingly contradictory fact that sets exist."

"To arrive at the totality of integers involves a jump. Overviewing it presupposes an infinite intuition. What is given is a psychological analysis. The point is whether it produces objective conviction."

"We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof."

"Reason and understanding concern two levels of concept. Dialectics and feelings are involved in reason."


Quote
noun
plural noun: axioms

    A statement or proposition that is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true. A statement or proposition on which an abstractly defined structure is based.


When Kurt Gödel tells you what a set is, that is the verbal transmission of an axiom.

You really think that the truth value of the following can never be determined?

"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents."

On what grounds do you deny this self-evident nature of sets?

"Integer" is an Aristotelian "natural kind" whereof individual "integers" are absolutely partial manifestations. (Indeed, negative zero is the only true "Integer." [Remember, "−0 ÷ x = −0 ⇔ x ≠ −0".])

Zero (0) implies "nothing;" -0 implies "everything," the whole universe and all the dimensions.  :)

The opposite of "nothing" is not "everything," but rather "not nothing."


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: BADecker on October 20, 2014, 05:18:37 PM
I will quote some math from that page; below are some axioms, both mathematical and philosophical.

Please say nice things or ask good questions; otherwise you Let the crucifixion of the messengers cointinue.

Quote from: Osho
[K]nowledge that is not your own is dangerous, more dangerous than ignorance, because it is a hidden ignorance, and you will not be able to see that you are deceiving yourself. You are carrying false coins and thinking that you are a rich man. Sooner or later your poverty will be revealed. Then you will be shocked.

Quote from: Osho
I never suspect for a single moment their good intentions. Whatever these people are doing, they are doing with good intentions; but the questions is not of good intentions, the question is: What is the result?
"You may murder me with good intentions, but your good intentions cannot justify my murder.

Quote from: Osho
They have no awareness of a different dimension of knowing, so whatever they are doing is done in deep sleep."

Quote from: Osho
First: knowledge is borrowed, realise this. The very realisation becomes a dropping of it.... Learning means being responsive to whatsoever is around you.... This is a great learning, but not knowledge.

Become the truth
There is no way to find truth — except through finding it. There is simply no way unless you are without any mind within you — because mind is like a breeze, continuously flowing, and the flame goes on wavering. When mind is not there, the breeze stops, and the flame becomes unmoving. When your consciousness is an unmoving flame, you know the truth. You have to learn how not to follow the mind.

Nobody can give you the truth, nobody, not even a Buddha, a Jesus, a Krishna.... It is beautiful that truth is not transferable in any way. Unless you reach it, you cannot reach. Unless you become it, you never have it.

Quote from: Kurt Gödel
"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents. It is a fundamental property of the mind to comprehend multitudes into unities. Sets are multitudes which are also unities. A multitude is the opposite of a unity. How can anything be both a multitude and a unity? Yet a set is just that. It is a seemingly contradictory fact that sets exist."

"To arrive at the totality of integers involves a jump. Overviewing it presupposes an infinite intuition. What is given is a psychological analysis. The point is whether it produces objective conviction."

"We do not analyze intuition to see a proof but by intuition we see something without a proof."

"Reason and understanding concern two levels of concept. Dialectics and feelings are involved in reason."


Quote
noun
plural noun: axioms

    A statement or proposition that is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true. A statement or proposition on which an abstractly defined structure is based.


When Kurt Gödel tells you what a set is, that is the verbal transmission of an axiom.

You really think that the truth value of the following can never be determined?

"A set is a unity of which its elements are the constituents."

On what grounds do you deny this self-evident nature of sets?

"Integer" is an Aristotelian "natural kind" whereof individual "integers" are absolutely partial manifestations. (Indeed, negative zero is the only true "Integer." [Remember, "−0 ÷ x = −0 ⇔ x ≠ −0".])

Zero (0) implies "nothing;" -0 implies "everything," the whole universe and all the dimensions.  :)

The opposite of "nothing" is not "everything," but rather "not nothing."

The complement of the universal set (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_set) (that is, the empty set (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set)) is its logical not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation)—not an element hereof.

Besides, the universe is so interdependent that nobody knows if there could be a partial universal set. It simply might not be able to exist.

:)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 22, 2014, 10:00:26 PM
If your looking for an interesting educational discussion, choosing a "dank thread" was a poor choice.
Was it?

It's a matter of your perspective and your participation.
Well generally what happens in a "dank thread" is he tells everyone his views, then if anyone disagrees with him, he replys with something completely unrelated or just simple dismisses and ignores it. That's why they always end up as "The Dank Show", purely for entertainment purposes.


Embrace love dank, let go of your hate. The universe is increasing it's vibration frequency, due to your inner unbalance. Love.

Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.
I was actually just playing dank at his own silly games of just replying to a question with something completely unrelated. His favourite game. :)



Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.
God requires repentance and so must we. Dank shows none.
Suggest you educate yourself about dank.

Edit: In my life experience, handing out any unearned forgiveness too easily and others will just walk all over you. Others (including myself) should correct their wrongdoing with high priority order of precedence, or they are not genuine.

I share my beliefs and I speak as I can for you to understand.  My responses all relate to the picture I am trying to paint.  For you to see the picture, you must see the meaning.

It is indeed perspective, for from my end of the spectrum, those who mock and ridicule the beliefs I hold are the ones who dismiss the information presented with off topic replies.

One must stand in my shoes to see as I see.  Empathy is a lost art in a world that ignores unity and boasts judgement.  One must feel as others feel in order to understand what I portray - that which is unity.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: dank on October 23, 2014, 12:23:32 AM
Thank you for sharing your perspective bl4kjaguar, and I enjoyed the quote.

Forgiveness is the only way to peace.  It's something that must be felt with true intentions.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 23, 2014, 08:38:22 AM
If your looking for an interesting educational discussion, choosing a "dank thread" was a poor choice.
Was it?

It's a matter of your perspective and your participation.
Well generally what happens in a "dank thread" is he tells everyone his views, then if anyone disagrees with him, he replys with something completely unrelated or just simple dismisses and ignores it. That's why they always end up as "The Dank Show", purely for entertainment purposes.


Embrace love dank, let go of your hate. The universe is increasing it's vibration frequency, due to your inner unbalance. Love.

Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.
I was actually just playing dank at his own silly games of just replying to a question with something completely unrelated. His favourite game. :)



Suggest to educate self about forgiveness, and reach that high frequency yourself first.
God requires repentance and so must we. Dank shows none.
Suggest you educate yourself about dank.

Edit: In my life experience, handing out any unearned forgiveness too easily and others will just walk all over you. Others (including myself) should correct their wrongdoing with high priority order of precedence, or they are not genuine.

I share my beliefs and I speak as I can for you to understand.  My responses all relate to the picture I am trying to paint.  For you to see the picture, you must see the meaning.

It is indeed perspective, for from my end of the spectrum, those who mock and ridicule the beliefs I hold are the ones who dismiss the information presented with off topic replies.

One must stand in my shoes to see as I see.  Empathy is a lost art in a world that ignores unity and boasts judgement.  One must feel as others feel in order to understand what I portray - that which is unity.

Yeah, choosing a computer/financial forum to preach about god is probably not the best audience you seek.
I wouldn't pick the off topic section of a electronic forum to discuss gardening.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: (oYo) on December 19, 2014, 07:54:48 AM
LMFAO! I thought I'd share with you all. Check out the top comment in this imgur thread!  ;D

http://imgur.com/gallery/34v1kJ9


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Watoshi-Dimobuto on December 19, 2014, 08:02:07 AM
God is all.  God is the universe.  God is oneness.  God is light.  God is love.  God is consciousness.

God is positivity.

Ego is none.  Ego is fear.  Ego is death.  Ego is doubt.  Ego is random.

Ego is negativity.

God believes in everything.  Ego believes in nothing.

Everything is everything.

Nothing is nothing.

Everything = ∞

Nothing = 0

Multiply any form of logic times zero, what do you get?

Explain: ∞ * 0 = 0

and I thought 0 is NOT negative?



Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: Lauda on December 19, 2014, 09:13:58 AM
Not again with this again. There is no proof, there never has been any.
Stop making such threads until you actually have proof.
Quote
a :  the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
b :  the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
Reasoning.


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: BADecker on December 19, 2014, 10:07:16 AM
Not again with this again. There is no proof, there never has been any.
Stop making such threads until you actually have proof.
Quote
a :  the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
b :  the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
Reasoning.

Reasoning. I like reasoning. Reasoning says that there is an extremely great God. It says it in the facts that...
1. The universe is full of tremendously great complexity...
2. at the same time that there is entropy in everything...
3. which couldn't happen without randomness...
4. but we only see cause and effect (no randomness)...
5. yet the hearts of millions and billions of people recognize the spiritual reality of God.

Reasoning.

:)


Title: Re: Mathematical proof of god
Post by: MarketNeutral on December 22, 2014, 02:59:04 AM
Consider the problem from a different perspective. Euler's identity, e^ipi+1=0, is as good a place as any to begin a search for a proof of god. Or the Riemann hypothesis. Or Euclid's Elements.

Archimedes, Gauss, Ramanujan, Hilbert, Erdős, Poincaré, etc.: they are the ones who perhaps have glimpsed something higher. Mathematical truth, conveyed in modern times in proof form, is complete and forever true and, some would suggest, divine.