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Do you guys plan to give out free tips or do you guys plan to charge straight away?
I find your price really high, and maybe you would want to consider using an escrow, like another tipping member on this forum XiaoXiao is doing.

Yes free tips will be given but just a few.
Tomorrow the tip from Fixed Archive Matches will be given to the public.
Its true that the price is high. However the tipsters have more than 70% hit rate through a few years and we got the profit guarantee.
And the original price for the tips is over 10K € per month.
We think the tips definitely worth more than just 0.88 BTC.
Its okay to use escrow but we don't prefer that.

1 month membership the price is 0.08 Btc,hmm have got tips with corect score

Thank you for your opinion.
However correct score is not a good option for betting investment.
Some site stated that they got tips with 750+ odds.
Like this: https://www.facebook.com/fIxedmanipulatedmatches
Will you trust that? I don't.
Let me recap one more time, betting is a long-term investment. It won't make you rich in just one month.
We expect there are some profits for every month.
And with 0.8 BTC, you can only buy 3 tips from the above sites by yourself.
If you use that 0.8 BTC to join BitBetTips, you can enjoy more than 160 tips every month.  :)

maybe for now  i'll look your statistic, before i buy your bibetips :)

Are you using any CasinoBitco.in odds?

No sir. Cheers  :)

Interesting........
Willing to join after watching some more days of records.
Can I have more discount if I am the first subscriber 8)?

nice tip on United but that font... :-[

LOL TRUE! That font face is quite hard to read  :-X :-X :-X :-X

Change font or riot  8)

We love to listen to your opinions.
The font is changed.  :-*

Thanks a lot and my opinion is both tips please  :D :D :D :D

lol no just one of them please  :P

What is the difference between a ice- and a white bet?  ;)

How many bets average per week your combined sources will give?
Why is the first website on your first post hidden?
I read your document. I only see the results as a yield, not the games and what kind of bets they were. Can you tell/show the games and bets of your document history?
Is it sure that your combined bet sources will still work for at least the coming 30 days?

You showed a tip yesterday, but normally readers wants to see free tips for a month to get a better picture of the quality of your service before they decide to pay.

Maybe you don't want to give free tips for a month. I can understand that but you did not build a lot of trust then and it will harder to find subscribers. Can you re-think the offer? Even if it can be worth it, 0.8 bitcoin is for a lot of people a lot of money.

Ok, gimme ice then ;)

I edited my post. I saw 0.08 instead of 0.8. My bad!

Haha never mind. 0.08 BTC is even cheaper than your broadband!
That's unreasonable to get 10K Euro tips with 23 Euro, right?

No such thing as Profit guarantee in gambling. That's why it's called gambling, don't give false promises to people.

Yes, that is true. I need to buy new glasses :( On the other hand (I think) 0.8 bitcoin is a lot of money for a lot of people, so (I think) you must find a price that is affordable. Not saying that the tips are not worth 0.8 bitcoin, but I'm on this forum for a while and I'm afraid you will not get (m)any subscribers. Maybe I'm wrong and you will get a lot of subscribers (and I hope that for you, because you seems to a be nice guy) but for now I doubt that you will get a lot of response for the reasons I described above.

Please finish reading my whole post first.
May be we should not use the words "Profit guarantee".  :P
But you won't get misunderstood if you finish reading the whole post.

Hmm... 0.8 BTC is just one third of an iphone. Many people buy new iphone, ipad every year.  :-\
And we have done the calculation. With just 20 Euro for every tip and 60% hit rate. You earn a very good profit.
https://i.imgur.com/nBs2b5h.png
We seem this project as an investment. Just like stock and cryptocurrencies investing.
This is not a game for those who bet 2 Euro every bet.
We are here for profit, earn money.

We don't need to get many subscribers at one time.
We believe that all of you are discerning.
Time will tell about the power of BitBetTips.  :D

I agree with that. To make profit you will have to bet a lot more than 2 euro for a single bet. But (maybe) from the perspective of readers of this thread: when people buy an Iphone they get an Iphone. When people on this forum - a forum where scammers are active, a lot of shady things happens and big promises are made by a lot of persons that can't fulfill those promises - considering buying your tips for 0.8 bitcoin, they have to believe a guy on a bitcoin forum named Water-Kel, that:
- The tips are profitable on the long term.
- They will receive the tips as promised.

So, I think you need to build trust before you can ask 0.8 bitcoin or lower the price so people will accept the above risks.

Don't see this as negative talk - I respect your service - but I try to think realistic and try to think as a reader of this thread. I will keep an eye on this thread and for sure thinking about all you have said. Keep up the good work!

I stand your points. Time can build up the reputation of our service.
May be we will consider to largely lower the membership fee for the first month-just for the first month to build up our image.
I will inform you after discussing with my team.

Thanks for listening to the feedback and providing free tips. I appreciate that. As return: I have no signature. If you pm me (or put it as a reply here) the signature code (you like to see) - I will place your signature and keep it for at least 2 weeks or maybe longer. For free.

Thanks a lot and thats our code

Nice.
Have sent you an email about subscribing. Please check 8)

OK- I'm official a customer. Walter is a great guy, had a nice talk with him. Looking forward to the next 30 days ;)

Thanks for supporting and welcome our first 2 subscribers  :)
Hope to bring you a great profit.
For others, grab a seat quickly before the big discount ends  :P

Received first day of tips. Bless me 8)

THANKS!!!
8 of 10 days have a profit, AWESOME  :o :o :o

Schalke was a half win because of the 3/4 asian the odds of the winnings will be halved.

2.5-2 is the exact result. Very happy with the tips of the first day  :D

I was a little bit careful with one specific bet, so I adjusted it a bit and won with lower odds. Therefore for me the day ended exact on a break even. If I followed the tips exactly I was in profit. Can't wait until tomorrow!

shhh...
no need to share so many tips  :P :P 8)

Everyone that subscribed before 15 December get no refund. The yield is 16 now.
Your first subscribers arrived at 10 December when the yield was 15 positive. That’s a joke for all the members that subscribed 10-14 December. Like you telling to them ‘let’s play soccer for the next 45 minutes but before we start I lead with 15-0’.
The yield on the spreadsheet shows winning even on so called ‘half wins’. The yield is therefore way to high and not representative comparing to the real yield.
As it is now the first members are screwed for the guarantee and for the rest who want to benefit from the profit guarantee, just wait until 16 December.

Nice points but I need to remind you one thing.
That profit guarantee program is not a must to provide to our subscribers.
We didn't see any competitors to provide such a thing to the customers.
It seems like you think that the profit guarantee program is the most important thing of our service.
Remember, originally and normally, you won't get a thing called profit guarantee program.
The most important thing is our qualified tips.
The guarantee program benefits our customers even with the policies.
If you don't like it or think that it is really bad, we can cancel that thing.  ;)
And about the 'half wins', its true we put it as a win. But if it is a 'half lose', we put it as a lose.

We want to tell you that before we release the current policies of the profit guarantee program, we have asked the opinions of our first subscribers. He told me that it is fair.

So...thank you for your opinion, grab a seat and watch our profits  ;D

Its true that actually I dun care much about the profit guarantee  :-\
It is a bonus for me

A bonus that you will never get.

The statistic of the whole December (1st-31st) will be counted.
Yield plus 15 before anyone joined.

To make it even worse with the second condition
Statistic of your 30 days subscribing period. For example, you subscribe from 10/12/2014 to 8/1/2015. That is your subscribing period.

To continue with the two soccer teams. You telling them ‘let’s play soccer for the next 45 minutes but before we start I lead with 15-0. Even when you scores 16 goals and defeats me with 16-15 I get some extra time for trying to defeat you'.


I am not trying to be rude or judging your picks or price. I am trying to tell that if this is your final profit guarantee you can better cancel it as you suggested yourself. As it is now this is a bonus guarantee that will never happens. You know that and everyone who read the terms and looking to the current yield knows that.

This should be the only condition for the subscribers that joining between 10-15 December
Statistic of your 30 days subscribing period. For example, you subscribe from 10/12/2014 to 8/1/2015. That is your subscribing period.

Not this one
So that the statistic of the whole December (1st-31st) will be counted

Just my 2 cent. It is your businesses. You specified the conditions today after your first subscribers. This bonus profit guarantee that will never happen is not the most important part but you advertise it on your thread. An advertisement is a part of your image.

This is going EXACTLY like some of the other sports betting scams have gone on this forum in the past.  Changes the terms, saying they had a great record BEFORE ANYONE WAS SUBSCRIBING, etc.

Really? Never get?
Its quite sure that it won't happen in this month as we have already got more than 10 units profit.
That's our power. Why does a yield +16 at the beginning of the month seem to be a bad thing to our subscribers?
How about the people who will join after 16th of December? The statistic of January will be counted.
What would you say if we get -10 units from the first day to the 11th of January?

We recognize that these policies or conditions protect our interest. But this is called business, this is reality.

Edit: we change the conditions after receiving the agreements of our first subscribers. So don't be worried about them.

Oh yea. Good bye  :D

If you had -15 units from the start of December you would never offer this bonus at this stage today. You made this conditions today knowing that the yield was already plus 15.

A yields of plus 15 within a week is suberb. Including this yield in the statics of the bonus offer for subscribers that just subscribed is a joke.

Nothing wrong with protection your interest. You start a new business and wants to look good. Be fair and protect your costumers too. Not with a bonus profit guarantee deal that before the subscripting even starts has almost zero chances to be claimed.

Okok. You always judge about the problem of the beginning of December.
But you never think about the future.
We still have dozens of months to go.
WE WON'T MAKE A THING JUST FOR 1 MONTH.
DO YOU THINK WE USE OUR TIME TO FIGURE OUT THIS THING JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE YIELDS IN DECEMBER?
WE GOT NO EXAMPLE FOR REFERENCING AND WE CREATED THAT STUFF.
What's the costs if we really need to have the refunds to our subscribers in December?
Too few.
Everything will be solved after 17th of December, right?
The statistics of December will be useless for the new subscribers.
Do you satisfy now?

You understand it but don’t want to understand.

@ the readers of this tread
Don’t subscribe until it is the second part of December otherwise you will be screwed with an unfair profitable guarantee bonus offer. An offer that will never will be granted simply because it is an impossible offer.
This guy seems only interesting in protecting his own business and does not understand that he needs to take care a little bit of his clients.
Instead of doing that he gave a useless profitable guarantee bonus to the first clients he has. Maybe stuff to think about when you considering subscribe to someone with that attitude.

You can read that the first losing day already has started. Be careful.

Yea the first losing day has started. May be we will lose in the next few days and get a yield of -5? If we don't care about my clients, we don't need to give the offer of profit guarantee. My current subscribers do not have such big reaction as you.

Even if we get 5 losing days in a row, we don't feel surprised. That's lever principle.

Your last sentence is like you talk to a student, 'Your first school day already has started. Be careful.' lol  :D

I will edit it for you.

The first losing day tells us nothing what will happen next. Maybe the tips will give profit maybe not. Who knows? Therefore there is advertised in this thread with a profit guarantee bonus! Great so far so good.

Warning

****Even when Bitbetbits will lose up to 16 units  :o  :o  :o until 31 December all the clients that paid him from 10-16 December can not claim the 'profit guarantee bonus'****


**** In the worst case scenario odds 1000:1 when Bitbetcoins picks gives a lose of 17 units until December 31, they only needs to make 1 unit profit in the first 8 days of January and the 'profit guarantee bonus' will not be granted****

Oh, thank you so much and bye  :-*

Warning

****btclegend is a puppet account of Water_kel. Ignore him****

Thank you for giving me another identity, newbie  :-*
I am not going to have the endless arguments with you.
So good luck and good bye.

You can stop arguing with me. When you giving offers like you did none will trust you. Hence more argues will following with others. Good luck and I will watching this thread closely.

To be honest, we have been talking to our first subscribers.
He stated that for the subscribers before 17th December.
The statistics will be counted as 12th December to 31st December if he subscribe on 12th December.
And the second statistics is still the whole subscription period.
It sounds more fair, right?

But we consider one more thing. Yes, the current subscribers may be happy with that. But may be after a few months, some subscribers do their calculations and find that using the condition of the above one (from subscription date to the end of the month), they can get the refund or 30 days free membership. We all know that that condition is only available for the subscribers from 10th-17th December. However those subscribers might say it is unfair for two different kinds of conditions. So it is an endless argument.

A perfect solution does not exist for this situation. There will only be more arguments if we change the conditions again. The current conditions only affect a few subscribers from 10th to 17th December. We apologize with that. We know that even some of subscribers don't even care what profit guarantee is. They did not have a single word about it. But it is a bonus for you guys to subscribe our tips.

We are doing business for long-term. We are not short-sighted.

Look forward to the fixed archive tips  :P :P

Hope to bring you good profits  ;)

wow missed a penalty :o

Tailed you, guess that was a mistake

You don't say?  :P
Today seems to be a shit day  :-\

Followed the results of the postings in this thread and feel the need to show an honest overview of the results.

Start of BitBetTips with the first subscribers was on 10 December. This is our starting point.

Day 1
Win 2 ½  
Lost 2  
Note the Asian handicap pick of this day was Schalke04. It was a ½ win. The information on the website http://www.bettersoccertips.com and the spreadsheet of Water_kel is not correct. They both telling you that it was full win.

Day 2
Win 2
Lost 3


Day 3
Win 0
Lost  3 ½      
Void 1        
Note of the Asian handicap pick of this day was Jong Ajax. It was a 0.5 loss of the whole stake.


Total
Win 4 ½  
Lose 8 ½
Void 1

odds average 1.90

Total lost 4.45 units

Sounds like you should sign up and then fade  :o

Thanks for the detail report   :-*
However I can't see a point of honest or dishonest  ???

I did not say there was a dishonesty.

To begin with one of these "tipsters". Delicatetips.com is a proven scam.

http://www.who.is/whois/delicatetips.com/
Expires On July 05, 2015
Registered On July 05, 2014
Updated On July 05, 2014

Their stats are fake. The website exists since July 2014 and not for 5 years as they claimed. The 5 years of games history is fake. You're saying that no fake stats were found on all of your tipsters. You were wrong. You or "your team" paying hundreds or thousands of dollars per month for the tips and you didn't know this? Hard to believe.

Read the review on http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/service-plays/2973741-delicatetips.html
You will understand why the profits of this websites dropped since the last weeks. Since they exists only for a few months they recently found some buyers of their picks so they can’t fake the stats no longer. If you are too lazy to read that thread here is a screenshot of a guy that did some research. He posted this less than 2 weeks ago.

https://i.imgur.com/DGkQRYI.jpg


Your other tipster the Fixed Archive Matches "the hidden website" you can find on many websites. Good reasons for you to hide the website. You don't need be that smart to understand that there is something wrong with it.


Examples of the same websites are here http://mozzart1x2.blogspot.nl/2014/09/sms-tip-of-day-2330-santos-goias-1-1.html and here http://jovanpfc.blogspot.nl/2014/09/sms-tip-of-day-2330-santos-goias-1-1.html.
Same games as your screenshot and the smiles or v's on the wins and the last postponed game. The only difference is the price on each website. On the websites you find tons of glimmering banners restricting to other vague websites that using the same concept.


This concept of selling "great tipsters" for "a low price" is made up by shady vague companies. Most of them are Asian companies. They offer a loan to people like this guy of this thread to sell the concept on forums or websites or whatever how they can sell it. This guy is just an employee for that company. Requirements are that you can write and understand English and when you have no issues knowing that you selling fake products, you have the job. They have a lot of concepts. Sport-betting is booming business so this is one of them. All of the tipster websites are owned by the same companies. They have hundreds of those websites.

They promise you winrates of 70% or higher like 80%. Everyone who knows a little bit about sports-betting knows that 70%-80% long term with spread odds of decimal 1.90 or USA -110 is impossible. The best punters out there are happy with 54-56%. Only a few highly experienced people can make that.

People who paid for the tips will from now on watching the real results on the tipster websites so they simply kicking out one or more of their own tipster websites of the tipster package when the tips are not profitable. They replace it for another one of their owned websites with fake stats. The stats will be real from the day that the buyers will follow the results.

The websites that failed the last period now with the real results stays online for the crazy ones that buying the tips directly from the website. There is always somewhere out there with some cash and highly believes.



They aiming for at least finding subscribers for the first month and when they are lucky and the tips give some profit they can continue with second month and so on. Lucky as like more than 50-50 of winnings. The tips are not professional and on the long term they have a maximum of 50-50 winrate like all the other free tips you can find on the internet. In most cases it is less than 50-50. Even with that maximum of 50-50 you will lose a lot of money because you pay a spread to the bookmakers. You can flip a coin for free and safe your money.

When the first month is a lucky month the thread will attract more followers. The price will be higher for new and current subscribers to make sure to make a fast profit for the second month before the losing month occurs. On a losing month some subscribers will stay some longer even when the tips are losing or less profitable than was claimed. They get a discount or something to make sure that they try it for another month and seeing that "new and better tipsters" replaced the old ones. They still hoping for that skyrocket 70% to 80% winrate that no one on this earth can make with the spread 1.90 odds.

Oh haters gonna hate.
Which company are you from, newbie? You should earn some money with that amount of words.  :o
But please do your research before you say anything. Otherwise your boss won't give you money  :'(
For your point of delicatetips, delicatetips has changed their domain since the summer of this year.
The old domain was http://delicatetips.webs.com/

For the fixed archive tips, of course there are many resellers of the tips if the tips are really good.
If you can find dozens of websites selling that tips, that's a good news  ;D
If you have any evidence that shows that we own any of those source, post it here and we give you all our money  ;)

Thanks for sharing but it is too ridiculous  :-\

looks nice thread lets see how it goes ;)

lol all threads seem nice to you dude  :P

yes because all are providing free of cost and dont charge money !!

OK free to you.
  FIXED ARCHIVE MATCHES :
Lorient - Metz : 1 @ 1.95

2:0

WTF 3:0 at half time
luckily I place higher bet for this tip! nice  :P :P

U gotta do better bro.!what factors do u consider for betting on a team? and 80% win source seriously?

We are not the creator of the tips.
Yes that source has a 80% hit rate and it gets the win tonight.

Average odds of the tips 1.90. Source the TS.

Results since the start of the subscription on 10 December

Day 1
Win 2½  
Lost 2  
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Schalke04. It was a ½ win. The information on the website http://www.bettersoccertips.com and the spreadsheet of Water_kel is not correct. They both telling you that it was full win.
Won 0.25 units

Day 2
Win 2
Lost 3
Lost 1.2 units

Day 3
Win 0
Lost  3½      
Void 1        
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Jong Ajax. It was a 0.5 loss of the whole stake.
Lost 3.5 units

Day 4
Win 3
Lost  3  
Lost 0.3 units

Totals
Win 7½
Lose 11½
Void 1
Win percentage of the tips 37.5%


Wining days 1
Best day 0.25 units on day 1
Losing days 3
Worst day 3.5 units on day 3


Total lost 4 days after the start of subscription 4.75 units

Just received an email.
The content is as follow:
"You can earn monthly good money with your Bitbettips. It is scam but a good scam I admit.
Now ur thread is affected by negatives and ur picking service will fall with it. They getting more angry every day. No money for you.

For 0.36 BTC your problems will be solved. We help. On time only offer. This is serious. Reply within 12 hours or the offer is waved."


If you can any evidence to prove BitBetTips is a scam or BitBetTips owns any of the above sources/websites, please post it here.
Thanks.

The match will play today!

That’s not relevant what the old domain was. The old domain is a website with no content.

The new domain exists a few months but they showing a visitor their results of the tips for the last 5 years. They call it even “proven results”. The results of these so called “proven results” showing 52 months insane profits. Month in month out between 65% and 89% win rates. Not even famous professional sports betters can come even close to that.

Only one month out of these 52 months was a small losing month. That was 2 years ago with a win rate of 49%. Here is a screenshot as example for the insane so called “proven results” of 2013. You can check all the other years and months yourself. http://www.delicatetips.com/overall-performance.html

https://i.imgur.com/SLnsMfl.jpg

Since the last weeks they, and you, can’t fake the results anymore because now there are real buyers of the tips who following the results. And what happens? The dropping of the results are significant. The last week of November shows 10 loses and only 4 wins. December shows again disappointing results with only a 50% hit rate so far.

Your tips results are besides one small exception of a tiny profit only losing days and we don't even know what the results were of yesterday. The loses adds up on high speed.

Normally you show up on the forum all the time. Trying to be the nice with some offers to buy 2 tips for "only" 0.1 BTC or giving away some free tips. Although every day it will be harder to convince the readers of your profitable predictions. Predictions that makes it worth to invest 0.8 BTC or 280 dollars for a month. You call that cheap but all the other pickers on this forum asking at most 10% of that amount, doing it for free or giving free months to everyone with decent results.

You were online a few hours ago after the games, but you didn’t say anything. Not surprising when you had another losing day. You can't lose every day so we can expect that you have some winning days, like every guy who bets on sports or flipping a coin. Maybe you going to celebrate these days on the forum. However, the overall results will never be even close to that impossible 65-85% win rate.

I can confirm that fixed matches is a scam. They fake results. I ordered 2 tips thursday for this weekend on this website http://mozzart1x2.blogspot.nl for 40 euro.
Saturday they sent me Lorient vs Metz. Sunday they sent me Udinese vs Verona. The first game was a win, the second was a loss. I betted 100 euro on the first and 50 euro on the second. 50 euro profit minus 40 euro for the tips.
Check the website now they telling the pick of that last game on 14th December was the winning tip Lille vs Toulouse instead of the losing Udinese vs Verona. That is a lie. Loll  ;D
They added that fake pick LIlle vs Toulesse today but did not take the time to change that losing postponed game Juan Aurich vs Sporting C. still presented with a winning sign.
Learned my lesson and stick with my own tips. Happily I did not lose money on this BS. Dunno how to place big screens but you can click on this thumbmail below to make it larger.

http://s17.postimg.org/b9n9w9y8b/scam.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/b9n9w9y8b/)

Just go and google the old domain, http://delicatetips.webs.com/
You can get some reviews since 2010.
Its true that we lose in recent days.
As we have said, betting is a long-term investment.
If you determine our services by just a few days losing, we have no word on your determination.

Yesterday we did receive two tips from Fixed Archive Matches.
The second one, Udinese vs Verona was received just right before the match started.
We don't know the reason but yesterday was a 1 WIN 1 LOSE for Fixed Archive Matches.
It is dishonest that they did not put the record of the losing one.
But it is not a scam.

hope for a good day  :-\

So youre website is only for the residents of Europe? What about people in United States?

What you mean?
The websites are from Europe.
All the people can subscribe for the tips and place the bets yourself.

There will be some maliciously discredits for our services.
We recognize the hit rate of the recent days is not good.
But we assure a good result in long term.

Hmm, it was 2 wins and 5 loses

delicatetips.com
Leverkusen - Borussia Moenchengladbach  Tip Leverkusen -0.75 lost
PSV – Twente Tip: PSV -1 Win

bettersoccertips.
Atletico Madrid – Villarreal :  Atletico Madrid -0.75 lost
Manchester United – Liverpool: Manchester United -0.5 win

jackpotsoccertips
Sevilla – Eibar: Sevilla -1.25  lost

Fixed matches
Udinese – Verona: Udinese lost
Juan Aurich - Sporting Cristal: Juan Aurich lost

Very disappointing to see that the fixed matches are faking the stats  :(

As we all know a postponed match won't be counted for every tipster.
So it is a 2 WIN 4 LOSE if the tip of Juan one and Lille one are not counted.
We will correct it now.

So even if you lose everything people will still get a profit?
I don't get these kind of games..

So you consider all the future with just a few days of losing?
I don't get your point.

You placed the postponed Juan Aurich tip yesterday on the forum and gave it as a tip and thus it counts for everyone who subscribed since 10 December as well. The tip lost. You can exclude it from your stats but I include it on mine.

Lille is only visible on that fixed matches website to replace the real losing sunday tip Udinese. Udinese is not included on that website. The fixed matches website is manipulating the stats.

On sunday the daily weekend pick Udinese was delivered to the paying customers and not Lille. 2 wininings and 5 losses is the correct score for day 5.


Odds average 1.90. Source the TS.

Day 1. Won 0.25 units
Winning tips 2½  
Losing tips 2  
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Schalke04. It was a ½ win. The information on the website http://www.bettersoccertips.com and the spreadsheet of Water_kel is not correct. They both telling you that it was a full win.

Day 2. Lost 1.2 units
Wining tips 2
Losings tips 3

Day 3. Lost 3.5 units
Winning tips 0
Losing tips  3½      
Void 1        
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Jong Ajax. It was a 0.5 loss of the whole stake.

Day 4. Lost 0.3 units
Winning tips 3
Losing tips  3  

Day 5. Lost 3.2 units
Winning tips 2
Losings tips 5
Note. TS refused to include one losing tip on his spreadsheet. He gave it as a tip yesterday on the forum. The spreadsheet showing 2-4 but it is 2-5. One losing tip was washed away on the website and replaced by a winning tip that was never delivered to the followers.

Total
Winning tips 9½  
Losing tips 16½
Void 1
Win percentage of the tips 35.19%


Wining days 1
Best day 0.25 units on day 1
Losing days 4
Worst day 3.5 units on day 3
 
Longest strike
4 losing days  on a row. Day 2 until now.

Total lost 5 days after the start of the subscription 7.95 units


Using the example of the spreadsheet on the first posting. Now with the fair confirmed and traceable results from the start of the subscription on 10 December

Assume bet amount for each tip 0.1 BTC
Average odds 1.9
BTC you lost: 0.795
30 days membership: 0.8 BTC
NET LOST: 1.595 BTC

Time duration 5 days

The first unedited post.


After comments from buyers with the real results.


Nice try to change a 2 win and 5 lose into a 3 win and 4 lose. That makes a lot of difference. 1 stake lost versus 3 stakes lost.

You added Lille “the mystery second tip of the day” to the winnings and with a vague statement you did not count Juan Aurich to the lost ones. That same game that still not shows up as a lost on their site.


Why can't we see the losing Udinese tip on the site?
How come that fixed matches offered a second tip on the same day? They offering one tip a day on the weekends as long as the history is telling us on their site
Why did the payers only received the losing tip?

You know the answers right? The second "mystery tip" did not exist at all or was not give away until the game was played and was a winner. The first losing tip just vanished from their site.


Two pick tipsters of Betbit are already busted with evidence and Water_Kel tried to do the same but was busted today.

Fixed matches with their 85% hit rate changing losing games in mystery never delivered winning games whenever they want or need.

DelicateTips shows a history of 5 years with winrates from 65% even to 89% but the domain exists for only a few months. The last weeks since they had real buyers of their tips, and therefore it is harder to fake the results, the losses are significant.

Looking to the third source.
bettersoccertips.com

They have two kind of tips. They call it white and ice tips. They showing results from April 2012. Again with insane win rates with more than 70%. Win rates that are impossible on the long term with 1.9 odds.

Look what happens when the subscription of this thread started on 10 December and everyone who paid following the real results, so it is harder to fake the stats.
Ice picks 1-4
https://i.imgur.com/esGSLZ6.jpg

white picks 1-3 and one draw.
https://i.imgur.com/Gc6ROHq.jpg

2 wins and 7 losses.

For the insane results of the past take a look of the history.
http://www.bettersoccertips.com/white.html
http://www.bettersoccertips.com/ice.html

Received your email again and please keep up your hard work.
"The negatives made their points. U was helpless and made big mistakes on the forum. Ur scam is revealed. U did not accepted the offer to stop the negatives before it was too late. Ur biggest wish and only rescue is that they remove all the negatives. That will not happen no more.

2 days ago u still had big opportunities to make money with the service. 2 days later ur service is broken. Life is rude.

U gave me some free pleasure. I go to the store and buy popcorn."

The old one.
"You can earn monthly good money with your Bitbettips. It is scam but a good scam I admit.
Now ur thread is affected by negatives and ur picking service will fall with it. They getting more angry every day. No money for you.

For 0.36 BTC your problems will be solved. We help. On time only offer. This is serious. Reply within 12 hours or the offer is waved."

Your shit is worth 0.36 BTC, seriously?

You said we want to change the record. We didn't. A big room of arguments exists for yesterday's record. We respect our subscribers so we change it to what he likes.

If you buy the tips from the original seller of Fixed Archive Matches, you did receive two tips with 1 WIN and 1 LOSE. The second tip was delivered near the match started. We feel unsatisfied that they only put the record of the winning one. We have shown our unsatisfactory to them and will not recommend our subscribers to follow this tipster anymore.

And you are still repeating your points that we have clarified. We are not going to repeat it once more.

Lastly, all our money is waiting for you if you find evidence that proves that we owns any source. Cheers.

You trying to say that you received messages from me asking you for money or do I misunderstand you here? Be clear about this.



How do you mean you respect your subscribers and changed it like they like it? The tips they received yesterday were 5 losses and 2 winnings. No more and no less. There is nothing to change about that in their favor or how they like it.

The only thing they like are real winnings from real tips. They don't like to pay and discover after their payment that you and all those picks sites of yours misleading them.

You open a new account to pay so much attention to my post. Thanks a lot!
If you want all the real records from real tips including the postponed one, it is a 3 WIN 5 LOSE.

PSV and Manchester United were the winnings yesterday. Tell me the 3rd one. I guess all the subscribers will happy to agree when you are right.

You still saying that Lille is the 3rd genuine winning tip? When are you done with this nonsenses?

YES Lille is the 3rd winning tip.
Whether you believe it or not, it is the second tip sent by Fixed Archive Matches in one day.
But it is a truth that we did not deliver this tip to our subscribers.
So we change it to a 2-4 record.

This is the exact scam I warned of. The poster will claim outrageous win rates. Then once you subscribe you see they made everything up and they start losing and making excuses about why you're losing.

Water seems busy so I update the score for him. On 15 December I received only one tip in total. It came from jackpottips.
Deportivo v Elche - Deportivo -0.25 Won

I was informed that bettersoccertips had a free day and there was something with the subscription of delicatetips that had to be renewed or something

The score for 15 December is 1-0

And you believe that or are you naive? Take a look at the results on delicatetips on the day you did not receive tips from them.

https://i.imgur.com/2JuJgL0.jpg

After the losing days they showing 2 wins exactly on the day no one received their tips. That is how the sites of Water_kel doing it all the time on losing periods. Changing losing tips in winning tips, not sending tips but showing them as wins on their sites. Not showing losing tips and sending second mystery tips on Sunday, something the fixedmatches site normally never do, that no one except Water_kel has ever received.

Betterscocer tips did not update their stats for the last 4 days. They had to many losing days so that doesn't look good on their "80% win rate page". At the time they will update it, 15 December can show any results they want.

There will be winning days. Not even the worse predictor can lose every day and on the wining days everything will be fine. The stats will be real on those days and Water_kel will show up with the same arguments how good his picking sites are.

tl;dr: Bitbettips and their websites are pure scam. Don’t waste your money on them.

They scammed me for 40 euro but I was lucky to place the only winning bet of the Saturday for 100 euro :D before I found out they faking the history results...

@Water_kel

You could prove that they are not a scam by posting a hashed version of the Tips before the matches start and the plain text after.
The good thing about this is that no one would be able to get them for free, but they will be able to tell that the tips and hit % is real and has not been altered to hide losing tips.

It might seem like a lot of work but it really isn't, hashing the tips would only take a minute, google "sha-256 hash calculator" or go to http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator  enter tip in plain text click "calculate" and you get a sha-256 version of the tip.
For example:
Text: Real Madrid -2.5
Hash: 54fb9c0176adf0f7070dc2d6a9bc4f61a7bf1d8140acab9bb40a60d60426cd77

Do these for 30 to 50 tips and everyone would be able to judge the real hit rate, before risking their bankrolls on inaccurate tips or money on potential scams.

I have read it for a view times and finally I know what you mean.
We don't need to do this because we have our subscribers.

For the haters and attackers who wanted to extort us:

Now there is a big bounty for you and you do not need to extort us with 0.36 BTC?

Bounty: 10 BTC
If you find evidence that we owned any of the sources/tipsters, post it here.
Go.  ;)

Sure, I have my own thoughts about all of this but on this stage I refuse to start discussions on this thread. I hate discussions - it makes me tired and sad. I spoke with Water about my thoughts. Make your own judgment with your evidence if you like.
To prevent some of the discussions: from now on I place all the final results of the tips that I have received. Like a middleman between Water, the websites and the forum. I will do that as long as my subscription lasts.

December 16

bettersoccertips

White tip: Hannover 96 v Augsburg. Tip Augsburg 0 (Lost)
Ice tip: Entella v Modena. Tip under 2.25  (Half Win)

delicatetips
Nantes v Metz. Tip Nantes -0.75 (Lost) (extra time does not count - the bet is finished after regular time)
Greuther Furth v Bochum. Tip Greuther Furth -0.5 (Lost)

jackpotsoccertips
Hamburger SV v  Stuttgart. Tip Hamburger -0.5 (Lost)

Won and Lost
0.5 win and 4 lost

The first week of this service has finished. A week of lies, faking results on several websites using by this service and a huge loss of 10.60 units. Honest discussions are a waste of time with this kind of personalities. I stick to the results no matter if they win or lose and I'll update all of them a few times a week.

Odds average 1.90. Source the TS.

Day 1. Won 0.25 units. Winning tips 2½. Losing tips 2  
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Schalke04. It was a ½ win. The information on the website http://www.bettersoccertips.com and the spreadsheet of Water_kel is not correct. They both telling you that it was a full win.

Day 2. Lost 1.2 units. Wining tips 2 - Losings tips 3

Day 3. Lost 3.5 units. Winning tips 0 - Losing tips 3½. 1 void.  
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Jong Ajax. It was a 0.5 loss of the whole stake.

Day 4. Lost 0.3 units. Winning tips 3 - Losing tips 3

Day 5. Lost 3.2 units. Winning tips 2 - Losings tips 5
Note. TS refused to include one losing tip on his spreadsheet. He gave that tip December 14 on the forum. The spreadsheet showing 2-4 but it is 2-5. One losing tip was washed away on the website and replaced by a winning tip that was never delivered to the followers.

Day 6. Won 0.9 units. Winning tips 1 - Losings tips 0
Note. Only one tip was delivered. The winning stats on December 15 from the websites delicatetips and bettersoccertips weren’t delivered to the followers and therefore they cannot taking serious.

Day 7. Lost 3.55 units. Winning tips ½  - Losing tips 4
Note. Again the website bettersoccertips shows the ½ win as a full win on their ice records of December.


Total
Winning tips 11
Losing tips 20½
Void 1
Win percentage of the tips 33.8%


Wining days 2
Best day 0.90 units on day 6
Losing days 5
Worst day 3.55 units on day 7
 
Longest strike
4 losing days  on a row. Day 2 until day 5

Total lost 7 days after the start of subscription 10.60 units


Using the example of the spreadsheet on the first posting. Now with the fair confirmed and traceable results from the start of the subscription on 10 December.

Assume bet amount for each tip 0.1 BTC
Average odds 1.9
BTC you lost: 1.060 BTC
30 days membership: 0.8 BTC
NET LOST: 1.860 BTC http://picthost.net/image.php?di=T3FF

Time duration 7 days