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We've been flooded with emails echoing some of the same suggestions here on the forum regarding the best way to determine order priority.  I'm writing now in case any of you had been staying up waiting for the order form posting tonight.  We're going to sleep on it and post tomorrow, but at the moment we're leaning towards a system that satisfies the two most significant arguments which are first come first serve & the lottery style distribution.

The way we're proposing it would work is that the orders are taken and tagged in priority order.  When product is ready on any given day (let's say 40 units) half of them would go to the order priority list while the remainder 20 would go to randomly picked selections from the daily ship lottery.  

Also worth pointing out for anyone interested in participating tomorrow, orders will be taken only via Bit-Pay initially.  This is a special promotion with Bit-Pay to promote their BTC merchant account service and may give existing miners a bit of an upper hand in first wave delivery.  (alternate payment methods will be added within a few days).

Regards,
BFL

The problem with the lottery method is that buyers who paid later could get there order filled prior to someone who had their money tied up for months.  I don't see any need to process orders differently then they have been.  It needs to be first come first served.

The pre order prices will be the same published before in the press release?

I think this looks to be a balanced approach.   I little priority and some random luck.  Thank you for listening to us.   We are trying to just bust your proverbial "balls" for no reason.   We want to support a great company, community and concept (the bitcoin) all at once.  So that means a little compromise from all of us and working together and most important, communicating.   Thank you.


Dalkore

The end of GPU mining is near!!!  And PPS pools!

Who would be represented in the daily lottery pool?  The orders of the day, the month?  Seems the lottery size and your sales volume will determine how effective this would be.

"a bit of an upper hand"

Was that a pun?

Good point.

But then again, what if (hypothetically) the first ten people order 1000 Jalapenos?

You god damned know its gonna be like that.  The first 10 ppl are gonna buy a shit load ... they are gonna get rich, fast ... everyone else will catch up ... PPS will die, GPU will die and BTC is gonna be fucked!

BFL is a government funded operation, that wont happen to them.

There should be an order limit per person. That would be healthier for bitcoin than a lottery system.

Would you consider randomizing the order priority for the first day in order to make it a little less stressful and difficult for people in difficult timezones? You can still use the 50/50 lottery system after that, but it will be a madhouse around the time that preorders open.

will there be a direct BTC pay option?

or will i have to transfer btc to another location in order to transfer for pay?

it would be nice to know these details before having to wait on multiple btc confirmations...

+1

- Bit Pay provides a seamless BTC payment solution in line with your order placement.  It's pretty impressive.

- The trade in upgrade option is built into the order form.

BFL - what about those of us who have an existing order for regular singles, and want to switch it around to the new ones?  Should I put in an order and just not pay for it?  Or...?

How would you like to see BFL handle priority?

Vote here:

[POLL] BFL Order Position
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89147.0

One thing is for sure, for their own sakes they better have a pretty solid policy on how they will handle order positions before they start taking payment or they will continue to be flooded with email. It's in their best interests for them to take a breather and make sure all their ducks are in row before starting.

 ;D

Yeah,I thought we had another 2 months at least,dangit................ >:(

I got hacked on MTgox for $200 a few weeks ago & was hoping for that time to make up my loss & be able to trade my single in with cash for a 40 gig model.........guess not.

I'll have to settle for a few jalapeno's for now,so goes life................ :(

Nice! I don't have enough BTC, just cash so no ASIC for me. The wait is going to be too long when they accept dollars. (plus again paying four months before shipment)

My exact problem. I trade my BTC right into USD to help pay bills. But I guess I could withdraw from my bank and buy Bitcoins. Should have bought weeks ago when they were cheap... damn.

cool

Someone wanna explain to me how to get into the pre-order tomorrow?

I took a look at the bit-pay site and couldn't sign up cause I'm not a merchant of any sort.

I suppose visit BFL's site tomorrow sometime.Or maybe they"ll post info here on how to................

We can't because BFL hasn't released how to yet. They will explain how to in the coming days. Lurk Moar.

Buyers do not need to register with Bit Pay or have any type of account with Bit Pay.

Our merchant service works with every bitcoin wallet. just have your wallet up to date with the block chain and have enough BTC to make the purchase :)

What will happen, if BFL is unable to deliver those products in time (what is currently expected to happen) and customers want their BTC back while USD price per BTC already rise to 8 USD?

That will not help. They will be accepting orders payed with wiretransfer when you have your BTC. At that point the waitlist is so long that you will not see your equipment this year.

Let's hope someone else develops ASIC too and doesn't require interest free loan as a payment.

That's my currrent situation. I was thinking of bailing out and getting my refund since they have failed to deliver on time. However, I was reconsidering to give them a little more time. It would be better to at least mine a couple months with the hardware instead of sitting on stagnant cash. If the hardware isn't delivered soon, the refund option will be most palatable. Maybe, just buy bitcoins instead of ASIC hardware if it becomes more apparent that they will have this deluge of orders ahead of everyone else - might very well be more profitable as the block reward size halving approaches or passes.

sorry for the dumb question
I have a mtgox account with a wallet . I presume I login to my MtGox account and goto withdraw bitcoins - specfiy the amount and the bitcoin address is one you give me .

also is there any fees?

The people who have had their money tied up for 80+ days already and want to upgrade should be first. A lottery is a terrible idea.

You can't just trade them in for SC singles. That and the added wait. Also, when did they start shipping singles in 4-6 weeks? I'm on day 82 and have not even received a shipping notification..

Because I don't have the extra money to do so.  :(

I have 4 singles on order.  I'd like to change them to 2 SC singles and pay the extra $200.

If they have Venture Capital funding, WHY do they need so much MORE money upfront for new orders ?

Shouldn't they be taking, perhaps 10% UP FRONT AT MOST ?

Why would anyone in their right mind send in 100% up to 6 months in advance ?

Let them all pay and get their hardware first. I wait untill they deliver. And no, I wont pay in BTC ;D ::) 

Lottery style is actually one of the worst propositions for your buyers....

You want them to take a gamble with a $30.000 piece of hardware ???

Makes NO sense !

I'd rather go to Vegas and put it on RED.... better chance of making any money with it, then compete with 100's of Jalapeno buyers

or are you doing separate lotteries for the different products ?

So 1 for the Jalapenos, 1 for the singles and 1 for the rigs ?

else your rig buyers will be crowded out by the Jalapeno buyers.... and you can't prioritise them, because then you wouldn't do a real lottery.....

but that would negate what you are trying to achieve....

This proposal needs some more thought....

TBH I think you are trying to rush things here.... there are NO other known ASIC developers out there, so take your time to decide how you are going to handle things, else it will all end up in a big mess with a lot of p*ssed off customers...

I still say:

open the pre-order possibility, keep it running for a couple of weeks... close it... produce the ASIC that were ordered and then do 1 delivery run.... surely you can do bulk shipping and get everything out of the door within 24-48 hrs

That will give everyone a clear date as to when they get their ASICs

Say your delivery date is October 31st.... then you can open up the next batch of pre-orders early September with Delivery at Mid-Dec and so on

Another idea that actually makes sense and seems more fair to the customer, is to put those ahead of line that have waited more than the upper limit of 6 weeks for BFL to deliver past purchased product. The order terms for Singles on BFL's website states 4-6 weeks and notes it could be faster (not longer). Probably a good way to recover that lost customer sentiment.

+1

How about you don't take anyone's money until you actually have a product to ship?

Then you can limit the number per order with like a 72hr wait between orders(if anyone wants to make multiple orders, fine, stagger them)

Kind of like we already see when any new "hot" device hits the shelves.

i like the sound of that. limited orders, i mean. no sense in the first to pre order being able to lock up all available production for weeks or whatever.

Bit-Pay (Tony) deserves it ,it's a nice bitcoin service

one idea:
What about to prefer send BitForce SC to different location and places in geographically?    I know will be costs a little bit more than expected (VAT,IVA,GST,etc) but think about hardware decentralization.
thx

People are seriously thinking of sending funds through an irreversible method to people who won't even give their names?

Now I understand how it is that you can train sheep to line up and wait to be sheared.

There are only 2 scenarios here.

1.  BFL is able to deliver a functional product in sufficient volumes to recover the cost of design and masks and the network hashrate quickly hits several hundred TH/s.

- existing miners lose, current BFL buyers lose, future BFL buyers lose, BFL wins

or

2.  Their wafer builds don't work, require expensive respins, don't yield well, don't sort with any decent clock rates, etc.

- existing miners continue on, anyone that touches BFL loses

not digging lottery part

Something doesn't add up here. There are currently over 100 BFL singles still waiting to be delivered in the WAIT list.. and your already taking pre-orders for the SC? Your way over 4-6 weeks on your delivery times.. yet you slap your customers in the face with a random lotto?

And now you decide that Bitcoin is the only payment your going to take for pre-orders? No way for buyer protection?

There is a post about someone wanting a refund that they paid with bitcoin but you refused it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88903.0

Is this the point where you take a bunch of pre-order bitcoin and disappear with everyones money? The biggest bitcoin con ever?

Something stinks in the bitcoin community..

Well that's nothing new. I think there's always going to be room left for critical and fantastical speculation.

Wait... a shipping lottery? Is this a fucking joke?

This is going to be entertaining to watch people wait even longer for their products! How professional of you BFL.

I just posted this in the other thread, but it seems more relevant here -

i like this idea ALOT better...



pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.


it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....


and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.

That's the ideal situation, but given that people are crawling over each other to be first in line, I don't see why they would.

All the logic and reason in the world has never won an argument with greed.

i dont even understand it tbh, i've never paid in full for something, and get it 3-5 months later...


Where do they do that at?.... never heard of that business practice... although, i'll be the first to jump in that line... lol...

tell that to the bible thumpers on sunday.  :-\

Honestly, there needs to be a 10% preorder price, at MAXIMUM.

First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.

With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.

You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.

People will still order 1000s of products regardless of this. They are only accepting BTC and 3 months before an 'estimated' delivery date.

Open your eyes people...

I have said the same thing in other thread. Greed is what drive the society to corruption, ... let alone bitcoin.

The bitcoin protocol uses greed by channeling it into a feedback loop that increases security.  You can't change human nature, but you can direct it.

Yet another BFL thread I need to watch...

Sounds good. I especially like the part where they don't take anyones money so far in advance.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/tehfunay/popcorn4.jpg

sub for boring nights

I wish they'd take my money now so I could go on with my Saturday.

Yeah, hitting refresh sucks, and my kids want to go to the pool  :P

Well fuck me, I'm out of coins, and MtGox is acting funny.

FTFY

It would also be nice to know if there will be shipping charges for any of the units so people can get a more exact idea of how many BTC they need to purchase.

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

This is poor, even for BFL...  ;)

Need to give people a few days (or more) notice that pre-orders are coming.  NOTHING posted on your website?!?

Come on guys - sharpen up!

Yeah, I'm really unimpressed with this half effort on BFL's part to recognize stake holders and prioritize accordingly.  Obviously, trade-in offer isn't the only thing to be considered.  It's the timely (in)ability for customers to execute the trade-in offer if they are going to use a first-come-first-serve strategy.

I say, take preorders for 1-2 months, produce quantity and then deliver in bulk.

If I feel I'm being put at the end of the line, while both having Singles and waiting on Singles, I'm most certainly dumping this BFL shit.

That, and it's rewarding people who have been hoarding their coins, who are not exactly the people who have been supporting the currency as a method of payment (treating it more like a speculative investment). I like the idea of supporting Bit-pay, but otherwise this BTC only payment stipulation is awkward and arguably unfair.  

Bitcoiners complaining about having to buy something with BTC is almost as absurd as saying people who have BTC to spend aren't supporting the currency. 

I just with MTGOX would let me convert already... I've been trying to get a big market order in for the past 4 hours... Yeah, they suspended trading and its on the anniversary of the big hackattack. I hope that's all just coincidence.

+1  :-\

Exactly.

"I need to get money to this person FAST."

Bitcoins do that well.  By companison, you can wait until Monday morning and go to the bank and figure out how to do a wire transfer that will take 2-3 days.

Exactly ... the users that are most likely to have at least enough bitcoins on hand to buy one SC will be the miners that have been mining for years and are the backbone of bitcoin.  Miners that do it for fun or strictly for profit won't have enough readily on hand or will be cashing them out as fast as they can to fiat currency.

I think this its a smart move for BFL to give the existing miners this advantage as they are the ones that will be most affected by the resulting jump in difficulty.

I have money tied up in BFL singles orders and would appreciate a small advantage, but if I don't get one, I'm not going to cry about it.  I was ready to order last night.  I'm really not worried about the process being "fair."  Any adult knows that "fair" ended when we stopped playing with toys in the sandbox.  I do think it would be healthy for bitcoin for BFL to limit the number of units per order.  Yes there will be users that get around the limit, but at least make them work for the extra units.  Someone that can order ten at the click of a button will at least be limited to 3 to 5 units using multiple "aliases."

With all that said a tried and true bitcoin user will know how to turn fiat currency into bitcoins in under an hour.

You are right - I didn't mean to imply that anyone with BTC to spend isn't supporting the currency. Still, one of the stated reasons for the policy is to support miners, and I don't see that it is really doing that. It's just supporting miners who happen to have enough BTC on hand. If people were given a little more advanced warning to get funds together, it wouldn't really matter. But for someone with a small mining operation (say 2 Gh/s or less), one would have to have been hoarding for quite a while in order to have enough BTC on hand to purchase an SC single. It's not a big negative IMO, and it's offset by the positive of supporting Bit-pay, so I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Can we at least hold it off until mtgox starts working again? Trade engine seems to be down....

No you didn't. The trade engine isn't working and no trades have executed for a while.

Yes, that's me completely!

Does this forum software allow us to tag the BLF account so I can get an email when they post again?  I'd like to be able to know when they post (via email or sms) without hitting F5 all day.  I want to enjoy the nice weekend...sunshine is good!

thanks

I would feel like joining forces with all the other abused customers..

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4644857411076852&id=ecf92e4060bad579b0e93f16357c0dec

Nedbert. You have a good point.

Also, I'd like to add that I have wanted to respond to a comment of yours before, but didn't because your forum icon/image is too disturbing.
I'll send you one bitcoin today if you change it permanently away from that image (to something not like it). :D

||bit

BFL appears to have a very neat & tidy product. However, customer issues like the unfullfilled orders and late deliveries makes the open ASIC project sounds better all the time. It will be good for guys that made the FPGA boards to have a new source to make other PCB concepts to compete with BFL. Who knows, maybe BFL will sell their chips as well. And they might have to if/when the open ASIC project delivers ASICs as well as PCB's. Though the BFL ASICs may very well be better designed. They seem to have some good engineers, and have apparently put a lot of thought into the design. I'm not sure what level of design talent is behind the open ASIC project.

||bit

Sooo my day has come and gone and still no updates. Can I go to sleep or do I have to drink coffees till I burst again  ::)

Funny thing is.  As CUSSED UP this all is.  You are ALL going to give your money to BFL eventually.

It's crazy how many people are willing to fork over their cash knowing it's going to be 5+ months (best case) that anything ships. They're taking pre orders for finished product to fund the development of the product and doing it in a way where you can't be refunded. If there is a hiccup, how do they get more money?

Even worse, the products they ARE delivering ... fail after one day lol

Ask GigaVPS.

Has anyone else received the minirigs they ordered?  AFAIK, Giga was the only one.  I'd be curious to see if the other people are having the same issues.

Why don't you build one, test it and then sell it trough auction, if you want more money... Lottery is a very bad idea.

Let me ask you, BFL, didn't you earn enough money from your single and mini-rig orders to continue developing your further products without taking everyone's BTC for a 3 month pre order?

That way of doing things does not lock in your profit before production.

I think VPS is the only one with them.

SO, that being said.  25% of BFLs mini-rigs have FAILED in the first day.

That is pretty bad.

And with a sample size to make this fact completely meaningless.

reminds me of a movie:  "  I've flown with you twice, and you've crashed half the time."

As many have said, I think the BTC-only payment option is unfair. While I definitely understand the reasoning behind it, it means that people (myself included) are going to be waiting around for funds to clear before being able to order any product. If I could order with PayPal using credit card I could order immediately and be done with it. But to open pre-orders in BTC only with only one day notice (and a weekend at that) means that only die-hard BTC fanatics from day one (or people who are so rich they can have 4-5 figures in BTC at all times) are going to be able to order these items. I think while BFL intentions are good this is going to completely go the opposite way and have the opposite of what they intended occur.

Right now, unless this changes, I'm considering not even bothering ordering anything. If I have to wait 3-5 days to move my funds so that I can buy the product so many pre-orders may have already been placed by the "bitcoin millionaires" that I may not even make any profit at all. I strongly believe that this needs to be reconsidered by BFL and them at least allow a credit card option via PayPal on the same day that the bit-pay option hits. I already have thousands of dollars tied up in Singles that are late and it's quite ridiculous for me to be punished as a loyal, paying customer who wants to buy even more. I have the money available and would be able to pay the credit card in full within a couple of weeks easily but I just don't have the money this instant.

I would bet that very few of us in the mining community have so much BTC available to buy these units, and the few that do have so much sitting around that they could buy out 6 months of production if they wished.  If there's even a perception that the mining network is going to be dominated by a few ASIC supermining operations, the average bitcoin miner is not going to want to take the risk to buy any ASICs when they may never break even. Please reconsider this situation for the sake of your current loyal customers who don't have money in their account at this very moment because they've already spent it all on the soon to be obsolete Singles (which is me and many others voicing their concerns in this thread).

Get em while they're hot!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.60

This is really bad customer relations... they just sporadically updated the website with an order form....

Gimme a break....

They asked for the forums opinion on how to proceed with the pre-ordering and delivery and now they just gone ahead and opened up pre-ordering without explaining the rules

unbelievable....

I'm curious just what in their past behavior lead you to think it would be any other way.

Hope... I guess....  ;D

The fact that they opened up ordering doesn't mean that they won't consider taking our advice.

Well, lets wait and see if they change the rules after taking peoples BTC peoples BTC. As crazy as the current understanding is, its just as bad or worse to change it after money has been paid.

I disagree, I think saying "we're going to ship the first 200 units simultaneously" makes sense. (or whatever arbitrary amount to average the order time over a couple days.

What?  You don't think I'm pretty?  How rude.

I'll change it.

This customer service is unbelievable. 83 days just to get tossed in the back of the line?

Seriously, I kinda expected something bizarre. Not to be lewd, but that literally made me laugh so hard that I farted from the tension on my abs.
Well, it's still a bit disturbing. However, it's not like the other, and I guess a deal is a deal.  I'll send you a bitcoin. What's your bitcoin address?

||bit

'Which advice?' is the question. I don't know if there was even a coherent collective voice on much of it.

You're seriously starting to hurt my feelings now.  :'(  Look, I had no control over the fact I wasn't born a woman, but have such a feminine energy and style.

;)

Nah, it's ok.  I GIVE to the community.

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order. I bought 4 just because they announced they were letting us trade them in at 100% value. Which turned out to be only part of the story. Basically who ever paid them first should receive their units first. The longer they hold our money the more it costs us.

Sounds like fun :)

+1

Yep, been waiting for my singles for 7 weeks. Wanted to change to ASIC, sent an email, no response. I am not going to be at the end of the line. Again.

EDIT: mean I AM going to be at end of line

You don't like getting the shaft?

BFL has had me by my balls for the past 7 weeks. My left nut is about to fall off.

lulz.  I'm not quite that bad yet, but I do feel your pain.

While I sympathize, how is yours different to the situation those of us holding BFL kit find ourselves in? We parted with our money well before you, for products that now may not pay for themselves.

Of course, we did the only thing we could, give them more of our money and hope to land far enough towards the front of the order queue to make anything back.

Its a shit sandwich for (nearly) everyone.

At least with you holding BFL kit, you're getting to generate with it.  Not all of us are that lucky.

I don't see this advantage, 'you' have the option of completely withdrawing your order, 'we' MUST pay more or lose the initial investment. Remembering that the profitability of this additional investment is by no means assured. Lucky?  :-\

I have some units already, its not a real bad position to be in. You can either upgrade, or sell half and upgrade. Then earn 70 a month per unit while you wait for a upgrade. With their track record it might just pay for itself by the time they get the upgrades delivered. They met their obligation by delivering so there is not much to do about it.

If you have already been waiting 3 months and then are forced to wait for a refund to place your order. That will probably move you about 3 months behind the people that just ordered. That's 6 months of extra waiting simply because they failed to delivery the products on time. They should have put a option on the order form or called everyone that was over the 6 weeks and asked them if they wanted to cancel or upgrade before taking new ASIC orders..

Sad but true...

The message posted from Jody indicates anyone that paid with BTC cannot cancel their order.  You've got hardware.  You can sell it in 3 months for $599, but can earn coins on it right now.  The people waiting on old orders can also sell in 3 months for $599, but they don't have the luxury of mining on it.  So if they sell, they've essentially been out of their money for 3-6 months and have nothing to show for it.

This was later clarified to the fact that you will receive a USD equivalent number of Bitcoins in the event of a refund.  If you paid 125 Bitcoins for a single, and wanted a refund, you might only get 90 today, but you'll still get a refund.

Its not like they don't know who they haven't delivered their product too. Why did they not have a communication drafted and prepared to be emailed to those of us waiting on thousands of dollars of product?

They probably could have even paid to have someone build in a "trade in" order form type thing to let them know what users wanted to do with their current orders. Its just really poor planning and now those of us with thousands tied up or even tens of thousands are just sitting on the sidelines waiting to hear something, anything, from them in regards to why they can hold $10k of my money with no product and my options are:

1. Cancel. Pre-order with the same cash.(They have yet to refund me or even reply to my email.)
2. Wait and not pre-order, then order and return the equipment they send to me 2 months from now.

I think I just want my money back at this point. I can invest the cash for 5% between now and when people start seeing product come October.

Dear BFL,

If you find the time in the next few weeks, think about this. Let us know how many different customers have ordered SC Singles and how many SC Jalapenos. Order number doesn't tell much at this point since Singles and Jalapenos are coming from different production lines.

This would give everyone a clear estimate how many orders there are before theirs.

Only accepting BTC and wire transfer is weird.  This has yet to be answered.  Why are they not accepting Dwolla and Paypal anymore?

Obvious to me the former are non-reversible the later reversible charges are possible.

I don't remember where I read it, but I seem to recall BFL's reason for accepting only bitcoins at first was to 'support bitcoin', but then the wire transfer option ended up being on the form anyway.

TL;DR, "bitcoiners" wanting non-bitcoin payment options.
Oh the irony.

Its been cold here lately. I want to sticj a jaapeno under each foot and keep my toes warm. In b4 asic powered electric blanket.

It will be the biggest scam in history :):)

Who will be the first to give a CNN interview????

 ;D ;D ;D

I've placed a large order to be paid by bank wire several days ago.  Email sent by BFL states that I will be contacted with bank wire information within 1 business day.
That was 4 days ago.  Has anyone else attempted to place an order with bank wire?

Yeah, they haven't sent out the email yet. You won't be placed at the very end of the line though. See here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90044.0

Also, they still haven't answered my emails from 5 days ago and my other one from 4 days ago.

It is ironic I guess, but most people bought their GPUs with $$$. I bought my hardware from BFL with cash, cash they still have, and I have no hardware to have generated the BTC they require for payment. If I had gotten my hardware, I could probably have BTC to buy something.

I just want BFL to take the cash they already have of mine, and give me hardware. Or give me my cash back so I can buy BTC so I can finally order their new product.

I got my wire transfer request and paid today.

Order
#.

I got an earlier order in the #1866 or something, but couldn't get BTC in time. :(

I would like to see some alternate payment methods please... not just yet, but in exactly 4 business days. *(once some funds are moved around)