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As you most know AMHASH has painted a fairy tale for running with our money.

I represent a group of the major shareholders of AMHASH for about 250.000 shares, together we have pulled up a 10 BTC reward for any hard information about:

-AMHASH direct owners, not companies, but real people.
-ASICMINER and RockMiner owners, not companies, but real people.
-The names and contacts of their relatives, like email, facebook, twiter, etc. accounts.
-The names and contacts of their close friends, like email, facebook, twiter, etc. accounts.
-We don't want information about the subject know as friedcat, just AMHASH direct owners

The informant must prove the validity of this information with enough linking information for it to be believable, and once proven, the reward will be released to the wallet of his/her choosing. Informants must contact me by private message.

Our intention is to hunt down the AMHASH owners until we found them and make them reimburse ALL the money to the current share holders at IPO price, for this, once we have all the pertinent information we will contract the appropriate agents in the locations were this owners reside to deal with them personally. to this end we have pooled a 300 BTC fund.

This is not only about the money, is also about respect, we are a group of people that can not afford to allow this to happen to us and let it unchallenged in order to continue doing business around the world.

And for those wondering if this is joke, it is not, I have successful experience doing this in 2 previous cases: MtGox and PBmining, and i was successful because Mark Karpeles and Jason Boyko acted smart and paid up to the group in time.

Names and contacts of their friends? Bit harsh i think, might wanna remove that part

Please sign a message from an address holding 10 BTC or better escrow it.

That is how it worked in the past.

It didn't help with PB Mining..

Sure, here is it: https://blockchain.info/address/15FrtzQkVLJsk9d4tikBA4qN6XJE4M2xRh 

By all means, go after him, but his friends ? Some or all of them might not have anything at all to do with this.

It help us, we got ALL OUR MONEY BACK, check my posts history in this forum

Can you please sign a simple message from this address : 15FrtzQkVLJsk9d4tikBA4qN6XJE4M2xRh ? Thanks for the attention.  The laast transaction is  :

https://blockchain.info/it/tx/c15fab95368bb8dd5ae15231e62b801440edfae58bd1aa2d4c534491483b3a8b  (2013-04-12 21:33:55).

You need to understand that when this kind of individuals are exposed in front of their relatives and close friends of what they are doing, that ramps up pressure and shame, and in some cases, they involve their friends and/or families in the business.

I understand what this will achieve, but some people might get the wrong impression and "target" the friends, threats etc.

lool people financing for over 250k shares without first gathering the info about owners like you are asking now seems a bit 'unprofessional' at best..
you are asking for respect but its your own noobish mistakes that cost you, so just blame it on yourselves.
Even more considering you got goxed and pbmined before.. XD

PS: i doubt you ever got anything out of MK. ^^

This is important.

I interested in joining your group, I sent you a PM.

Got it and replied.

I can only say: The plot thickens... While I understand the psychological pressure and also fear that's building with involving friends, I also find this quite scary.

My two cents: You may want to find out if something (and what) happened to friedcat. I understand that AMHash is effectively working as people employed by AM. I know they are the people probably liable, but if the story about FC is true, I think you'll see your BTC (and maybe even more) if you find out what happened to friedcat.

I don't have direct control of the account, however i will ask for this to one of the holders

Actually i don't buy the friedcat story, i have deal with this kind of people in the past, I sent them a message yesterday giving them 24 hours to pay our shares at IPO price or face The Hunt publicly, they did not reply.

If you check AMHASH messages, they have changed the story 3 times now. And we don't care about that friedcat guy, we gave our money to AMHASH, so they will have to answer.

I can only say: Keep us posted. I don't have any information on them, but am invested in AM so I guess I'm involved to at least some degree. If nothing comes from this, at least it makes for one hell of a story.

Stay tunned to this thread, I always get the job done...

Why then is never someone came up with the idea to hunt Hashie?

We already know everything about Hashie => http://hashiescam.blogspot.in

Because my group never invested on Hashie

I don't know how ActiveMining is going on, so can you get back our investment?

We don't have investments on that venture, however, if you message me directly, i can look into it

So since Dec/25/2014 you have been a PONZI, and instead of halting and come out clean on Dec/26 you continued to paint the illusion of a reputable business and allowing trade and paying dividends unsupported by real hardware?

Ok, i have dealt with this before (MtGox and PBmining) and recovered ALL the money, you know how? By gathering the biggest investors and pooling with them a REWARD OF 300 BTC for the whereabouts of YOU, YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS and another 300 BTC to pay for the people that is going to PAY YOU AND THEM A VISIT.

You are not dealing here with the average guy that invests 0.1 BTC, i represent a group with almost 250.000 shares, value over 250 BTC, I represent the kind of people that it is VERY DANGEROUS to mess with in any part of the world.

So i will offer you an exit: Reimburse our shares for 250 BTC or i will start the process of hunting you and your relatives and friends. You have 24 hours, after that i will start the hunt and i will make it public, so not only you will have to pay the biggest ones, but almost every little guy that sums to the hunt. It is best for you to settle this now than settle it later, check my posts in this forum, I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.

Be smart, be like Mark Karpeles and Jason Boyko, they are still good and their relatives too because they acted smart, they kept this private and small and ended up losing less.

You have 24 hours.

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Hi,

We understood all of your guys emotion, but we still need to wait FC's appearance ,when he comes back, we will solve everything very easily.

1. The mining farm happened in Dec/25/2014 was not a PONZI like you said, AM did have hashrates before that day, and they were also hurt by the farm partner.When problem happened, AM were talking and finding some way to solve it and continue to pay divs daily, how can you say that PONZI? Any problem been solved need time, hope you understand.

2. We are finding some way to solve this.Firstly,we are not sure whether FC safe. Secondly,we are not just sitting here, we are trying to move on this, talking with AM, and board members.

Thanks,
AMHash Team

AMHASH replies... Is it insensitive to grab some popcorn? I mean if AirWolf is telling the truth this has just gotten serious. But it also underlines the old cliche of Bitcoin being used to track people down.

Who is "we"?  What's your name, bro?

This is getting absurd, man. I think I'll just go and join the team of people who believe FC has been catnapped or something. Doesn't sound like him. But what do you know, people are only people and everyone has greed in them.

Are you Rock Xie ? Why dont u post some pictures of FriedCat, so that people can identify him in case he is kidnapped ? Can u rephrase this translation in clear English => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10642909#msg10642909 ?

Yeah, we'd like a good translation of that post! The google translate version isn't very useful! We should tell people in Mongolia to keep their eyes peeled for FC! Maybe someone recognises him!

It is scary to think about what some people might do, however it could be a deterrent to some future scammers setting up "companies".

Hi,

We understood all of your guys emotion, but we still need to wait FC's appearance ,when he comes back, we will solve everything very easily.

1. The mining farm happened in Dec/25/2014 was not a PONZI like you said, AM did have hashrates before that day, and they were also hurt by the farm partner.When problem happened, AM were talking and finding some way to solve it and continue to pay divs daily, how can you say that PONZI? Any problem been solved need time, hope you understand.

2. We are finding some way to solve this.Firstly,we are not sure whether FC safe. Secondly,we are not just sitting here, we are trying to move on this, talking with AM, and board members.

Thanks,
AMHash Team
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OK, you have chosen the kind of path where there is no return...

God have mercy of you, because we don't.

You don't understand:

You are not dealing here with some "emotional guys", you are dealing here with professionals, as i told you, we already recovered our money from MtGox and PBmining, you will be no exception.

The hunting has already begun, check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974893.0 a reward is being offered for your personal whereabouts, those of your families and friends.

Next step is to hire other professionals to get in personal contact with your relatives and friends if we don't get to you first.

We don't care about Mr. friedcat, we gave our money to you and you are the responsible, we are not going to wait as idiots for that individual to appear again in the year 2050. You may wait for him and then recover the money you will first return to us, but before that, you pay our money back, you wait for him, we don't.

Don't be stupid, 250BTC is an small amount that you together can cover right now, pay our shares, we will transfer them to you and problem solved. Money is something you can recover, but other personal things you will lose forever.

Until you agree and transfer the money, the hunt is on and soon we will be contacting your families and friends, first via internet and later personally. Again, don't be a fool, you can still solve this for an small amount of money, when we get to the next step, there is no coming back, no amount of money will stop them.

I really hope you act smart as Karpeles and Boyko did and saved their love ones a lot of hardship.

I have one of the owner's social media details. Can I claim part of the Prize money ? If yes, will u please escrow it ?

Any chance we can direct the fund to take out NotLambChop. I have all his details if anyone wants to pay him a visit.

eh that made me google that name.. there s pages and pages of this troll..


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TheIslanders/search/messages?advance=true&am=CONTAINS&at=email:notlambchop@&dm=IS_ANY&fs=false&count=10


guess thats a gal in the end.. ;D  :-*

He is a genius, now let's concentrate. The kids should go to sleep.


NotLambchop **

.@hdbuck:  Oh noes!  Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness?

http://s27.postimg.org/6aqpoiejn/Capture.jpg

Shhh your mama needs the computer now..

Can you please fight your playground battle somewhere else?
This is about amhash.

Stop stalking underage children on the internet you sick Bitcoin pedo.  Isn't all the CP you bought with Bitcoin enough?

https://i.imgur.com/rG7yubB.png

Support
Catch those Chinese scammers all!

This thread reminds me of all the Falling/Rising threads in the speculation sub forums.

Is some one shorting the shares and trying to sway public opinion to make them to something drastic like sell all their shares at a loss?

The opposite actually happened with PB mining. The owners of PB mining were doxxed and then shortly thereafter they stopped paying out/mining for their customers. With amhash, the owners stopped paying out to their customers and now are people are trying to dox them.

I don't think much will happen even if they are doxxed because they apparently are based in China, and the ability to collect on damages is a joke in China

B... but this gentleman told me justice is swift in China ???
Could it be possible that he's been misinformed?  He sounds convincingly knowledgeable and stuff...

Seems like FC is not kidnapped. A better translation has been posted here => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10645504#msg10645504

Well it is interesting to see how much info gets garnered here
Best of luck with the purge/hunt

Not to us, China is even easier for that than many other more "lawful" countries...

Please contact me via PM

Signed or not yet?

Was just about to ask the same good job we have guys like redsn0w to look out for people trying to scam for whatever reasons, guys if he does not sign the message then don't even bother giving him any information than can help him on his little quest.

You guys are disgusting. Without even hearing the full story you've already gone in to full extortion mode threatening to "hunt down" the missing CEO if he doesn't pay you immediately. (fuck everyone else who doesn't resort to extortion right?)

You and your little group of wannabe investors are not qualified to invest in anything. The fact that this is the 3rd time you're having to use these extortion tactics should really tell you something.

Please list out every wannabe investor in your group. I'd like to make sure I never do business with any of you psychopaths.

U, Puppet, Mabshark etc. actually convinced people that FiredCat & his businesses are super legit. U people can not deny responsibility of the loss of 1 million+ USD.

$1m worth of contracts had not been sold but I get your point. I never recommended people invest in amhash, only that if they insist on investing in cloudmining, amhash would be a more trustworthy option compared to blatant ponzi's like pbmining.

We don't have all the details yet but everything points to this not being a scam but a failure. IF it was a scam they would have not halted amhash sales, gone to Mongolia to make a backup mine, refunded Prisma owners, etc.

The only confirmed scammers at this point are those using extortion as a "back up plan" for their failed investments.

Oh dear the op is on the hunt for AMhash and his/her friends  ;D The thing is you have not shown the color of your money so why would anyone help when it seems you maybe lying about having the funds to begin with?

Unlike every successful scam?
Other than, perhaps, sadistic pleasure of letting your victims know how stupid they've been, what's the point of making a scam look like a scam?
I mean, if the rubes marks suckers investors think they've been scammed, might not they try going after you or something?  Or get the cops involved?

Am I missing something important?

would be hilarious if airwolf was FC trying to steal our money even more =P

That is how the best scammers work when they see weakness the exploit and then again and again until there is nothing else to extort then they move on to the next job, the life of a hustler  ;D

Actually we don't need any deposits, the purse is already funded.

And we are starting to get results :)

AM has earned the benefit of the doubt over the past 2 and a half years they've been in business. They've done nothing remotely scammy before this mess and shown integrity time and time again. (200 btc accidental fee returned, Prisma refunds, compensating for lost mining time, etc)

I won't say it's definitely not a scam, but I'm not going to draw conclusions with 1 piece of the 1000 piece puzzle. Definitely not going to start a blackmailing campaign. (even if it becomes a confirmed scam, extortion is no less wrong/illegal)

i guess we all shuould have contact you to get coins back from mtgox/karpeles! i guess we had no idea it was that easy. if only we contact you in time we'd have 800,000 coins back right?

I'm sure doing absolutely nothing has served you and the rest of the community best.
Because when scammers know their actions carry no repercussions, they're stricken with remorse & quickly refund the mark's money.  They also learn that krimez don't pay, and never kryme again.

@jimmothy: what "blackmailing"  Who is doing the extorting & who's being extorted?  

i was just asking him to backup his statement! give the fact that his mention of getting anything out of mtgox doesn't lend him any credibility as NOONE got anything out after bankruptcy. - and not sure how his statement would apply before that

Normally i manage this privately before it gets public, we got our money back from Karpeles before the scandal and at the first sign of trouble, same thing with PBmining.

Now this became public for the choosing of AMHASH and it is more complicated now, it normally takes me from 3 to 6 days to get the money back, now this can take longer, or may be shorter, but i will do it, the difference is for AMHASH because now the reward is out and has to be paid and more people is joining the hunt, as of this moment we have people worth 400BTC MORE willing to join, for a potential total of 650BTC in recovery

So, AMHASH: This will have been easier for you to manage when i told you so and was only 250BTC to return to its legal owners.

And it will get worse if the proposal of letting the little guys of less than 2BTCs in shares jump in for free in exchange of any little piece of info an promotion of the hunt.

.@superduh: Ah, gotcha.  Misunderstood.

Respect?  Why would anyone respect blowhard internet tough guys like you?  Do you have any idea how ridiculous your lulzy bluster sounds?

You admit investing more than you can afford to lose.  That was stupid.

You invested in AMHASH without knowing who is behind that company.  Also stupid.

Have you never heard of due diligence?  Due diligence means finding out what you are investing in BEFORE you invest.  Dumbass.   :D


You represent impotent internet nerds that it is fun to mess with in any part of the world.

I'm sorry you lack the maturity to separate your overwrought emotions from business endeavors.

I'd hate to be your stock broker (not that you have enough money to need one).

Where is your signed message before you even bother to ask for services you need to show people A, that you even have the btc what you offer. I smell something funky on this thread so my last post but people should demand a signed message and maybe even escrow.

perhaps it is in your belief that this is the best way to go about this. but, you may or may not be right. Making threats this early is not going to help in my opinion. the money is either there or not and things will work out one way or another without your threats. i've been scammed plenty on this board and haven't seen a cent. AsicMiner seems like a different breed - give them sometime and hope for the best.

Really? You know that the Japanese government is investigating mtgox for fraud and several scammers have already been locked up right?

Then again, why bother with this whole court system and "innocent until proven guilty" when you can just threaten a suspected scammer and get your money back + a bonus right? Who cares if he's an innocent CEO who was scammed himself, you've got bills to pay.

What it is also very suspicious is the booming silence of Mr Puppet, #1 backer of AMHASH legitimacy...

Some first results:

Apparently, Friedcat name is Della Lu, at asicminer.usb@gmail.com unconfirmed yet, but under investigation

https://blockchain.info/address/1FQ11rq2hAYHk17VfvsBMuv3hjfY9CCpLt

Thanks for the bit FastByte33, if this confirms, you have earned a seat on the hunt

So Havelock is back up, but one of their "securities" vanished. Is that what happened here?

you guys seem to think AMhash is somehow more important than AM itself. AMhash is there to exploit AM miners that wouldnt sell, manage their mining, get some hashes and sell those. its a loss-leader. not much of a money maker.

Rockxie manages the AMhash, AM provides equipment and financing. Rockxie aint doing no runner, and FC has no good reason to either, which merely underscores the probability that he has met with foul play or tragic accident.

by all means hunt them down, you might save a guys life, do something altruistic for once in your lives, you petty, greedy, small-time shits.

I guess that has changed.

friedcat's name has been mentioned several times in the various threads (and doesn't match 'Della Lu'). The Block Erupter USB address probably hasn't been checked in well over a year, but I suppose you might as well try - ask if they've got some leftover stock (and towels!) while you're at it.  Maybe if something is unconfirmed, you just shouldn't post it.
( edit: repost in correct thread - the cross-posts got my tabs all scrambled )

I know who FC is. He's this faggy lookin' skinny teenager from chinas who likes to go missing for weeks long binges with naked drawn japanese people. pretteh cool guy.

sometimes he goes to mongolia, has a few rounds with teh russian gangsters to make himself feel tough (and give the little shareholders a spook) then goes back to china to give red envelopes to his honorable mama and papa and get his laundry done.

I like FC, and AM. Amhash...not so much. loss-leader...great investment.

ok backs to normals dudes. i might even un-ignore teh funneh trolls now.

Sounds a lot like shit coins to me :-\

the hilarious "takeaway" from all this is; how simple is this market to manipulate? just let hearsay and rumor run rampant...?profit?

shame havelocks is down. could have shorted a tall cool drink of BTC. eh, silverspoon? wouldn't you LOVE to be able to say the words "taller than 5 foot nothing" in a complete sentence? even if it didn't actually refer to your own disappointing physical stature? you might even infer enough dis-info to maybe convince that aids-infected street whore you frequent to give you a 3% frequent flyer discount.

dream a little dream sucka

Whoa!  Guess when ur CC company threatens to cancel ur card for nonpayment--why, that's extortion!
Do the other kids know about this ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/, jimmothy?

Again?

At least shit coins you can keep in a wallet. This is living on the edge boss crypto-investing :o

LMAO @

Collecting bitcoin for such an doxxing effort could be a good scam in of it self.  People desperate to get their money back donate a few bitcoins which when received from all creditors could add up to a good amount.  As with anything else on the internet, people be careful where and to who you send your money.  I have no information about this particular effort but many of these similar situations in the past bore no fruit or turned out to be blatant scams.

Caveat emptor /ˌkævɛɑːt ˈɛmptɔr/  Latin for "Let the buyer beware"

ALL your faces when... FC turns up, divs resume, past divs due are paid in full, AMhash trades at astronomical rates after long bears have all panic sold
LOL

hate to break it to you guys, AMhash is a fart in the breeze to AM

a pussy-fart, in the breeze

odorless even

AM shits bigger than your divs

You just finished saying you had learned something!

smh

yeah-i learned the true structuring of the AM AMhash relationship i.e. AMhash is AM's "loss-leader"

its investors are small time fools

Did you uncover any other information than FC's name and his aliases? I really wonder how well he'd be able to hide in case he didn't want to get found. Do you guys think the old office address was real? Or the rumor about them moving?

FC has been found, he is safe and sound. He will make an announcement soon.

But do ask airwolf, the know-all and end-all fusker/doxxer/fagg0r

For those interested, FC real name appears to be Xinyu Jiang also known as Brandon Lu or Della Lu, accordingly to ninjabot, nubbins and others

But i am interested in the real names and contacts for individuals like Rock Xie, Dong Wu and Zhang Han and their relatives/friends.

The hunt is on.

I'm sorry to tell u that FC hasn't been found yet! The one who claimed that FC has been found and will make announcemnet
is the main suspect of kidnapping FC! He's the owner of the mining factory and maybe that's him who took over the miners!
He also has a very bad reputation! In fact, many friends of FC in the industry had warned him not to deploy in the guy's
factory!

And the factory is not located at Mongolia but HuaiAn City, JiangSu Province.

I predict that for next week, like Tuesday, the vast majority's hope for AMHASH to resolve this will have vanished into despair due more and more lies from them or even worse: silence.

And then, many more will join the hunt for them.

Also i might add, for all those weaklings sustaining the wishful thinking that this Chinese scammers known as AMHASH are going to honor their compromise, i challenge you to a test:

Go to your wife, girlfriend, mother or whatever female close to you and explain that you put some money into an investment company and that after 3 weeks of waiting, they give you nothing, they have changed the story 3 times and that know they say that someone that goes by the name of Fried Cat is the one responsible and even believed to be kidnapped or dead, and that when that guy returns they will give you your money back. You gave your money to them, but now they say the cat took it. And you believe them.

Also tell them that you honestly believe that the guy named Fried Cat will return, maybe even raising from the grave or even escaping their captors with the sole purpose of honoring his compromises to you, and when they ask you if you know him personally, tell them that you don't.

Tell them that and see what they have to say to you...

Your mother will tell you that you were always the most weak and gullible.
Your girlfriend will smirk at you and hang the phone.
Your wife will tell you to be a man and will secretly start looking for a real one anywhere else.

And in every case they will tell you to stand your ground, fight for what is yours and that only pussies get stolen and do nothing about it.

Do that test and then come back here and keep defending the indefensible.

While you're at it, tell them that a person called AirWolf told you to ask.

Also tell them that a guy called Mabsark suggested you to do so.

News about the signed message ? We are waiting for a simple message from this bitcoin address : 15FrtzQkVLJsk9d4tikBA4qN6XJE4M2xRh

Thanks.

No, we have decided not the feed the trolls, we will not act based on your demands. If anyone wants proof of money holding, first will have to show proof of information holding.

Come on guys it is only a simple signed message , or maybe don't you own that address? Reply please, maybe I'm wrong.

It would certainly be nice to see a signed message. It seems like you are cutting out a portion of your "hunters" by not posting a signed message proving you control the funds.

Just message me with proof of RELEVANT information holding and from there we can talk. We don't feed trolls/morbo/curiosity nor lose time over any lurker saying "show me yours!!"

Maybe if you will sign a message I'm sure we will start to "believe" you and maybe also help you. Good luck.

In the same breath, your saying "show me your information!" without wanting to show proof first either. You had posted information that you have already received from other members, have none of them asked for verification?   You've lost more time responding on why NOT to post a signed message then it probably would have taken you to get the controller of the account to give you a signed message. It might be worth the time if you believe posting a signed message would get you more attention, and I believe it would.

Besides all of that, I think FC will show back up, assuming he isn't locked up or dead. I stayed away from AMHASH, as well as most cloud mining services, but never had any bad feelings about FriedCat himself. Just a personal opinion.

I've decided to offer my own service to compete with AirWolf. Here's the credentials for my expert team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM

You mean threaten people who you invested with, their families, and friends because of a lack of communication?

And this?


Whatever.

By the way, when I first saw your name, I thought of this: 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/WorfTNG.jpg

Makes sense...

I also like to see a signed message. I can claim I own https://blockchain.info/address/12dLDw8MyZb4aS5WRCsNFXQFtRdHD2C3uf but do I really? No one will know until I sign it.

I think he (and his group) doesn't own that bitcoin address (15FrtzQkVLJsk9d4tikBA4qN6XJE4M2xRh) so he can't sign a bitcoin messagge from it.

Poodles often bark loudly as well.

not sure what you guys are complaining about.
he is just trying to help getting money back by locating person responsible.

what is worst case that can happen to you? Nothing.
what is the best case? you get your investment back.

let say, you have information that no one knows. what are you going to do with it?
go the Chinese officials? get you own hunt going? or just nothing?

at least he is trying to get the person(s) responsible so all investors can benefit.
whether what he claims true or not, it don't matter if you are not taking any actions with information you have.

no point on barking at ourselves, when we all know what we want.

'GET OUR INVESTMENT BACK'

if you don't want to chip in, stay neutral. if you do, help out.
no need additional noise to what we are dealing with.

Dude, you probably don't even have 10 Bitcoins to your name and are trying to scam people who already possibly lost money.  This is bad karma that will bite you in the ass one day.  Better reply quick because your mom will want to use the computer soon and you will be done for the day,.

Well put, and thanks for the very useful data, When we succeed in getting the money back, you will be on board

But i also want to call to attention that Puppet, who i consider mostly responsible for endorsing AMHASH publicly and also Mabsark, Mr.Teal, Raskul, Investor Respect and others that now oppose to hunt for information about AMHASH were instrumental in getting the same info i am looking for when PBmining went down, so instrumental that i didn't had to offer a reward and i even tipped Puppet for the information he got out.

So, Puppet, Mabsark, Mr.Teal, Raskul, Investor Respect, and all the others: IF YOU HAVE A SHRED OF DECENCY DO THE SAME IN THIS CASE. You are ETHICALLY BIND TO SO DO AS PER YOUR PAST ACTIONS, i.e.:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887871.msg9790674#msg9790674
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418183.msg9772098#msg9772098

If not, you will have demonstrated that you sided with AMHASH all the way against others like PBmining and WE WILL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER treating you as ACCOMPLICES and therefore, legitimate targets to be hunted.

what's opposed is threats and scamming.  you have threatened physical harm.  right now, until you sign a message from that address, it appears that you are also trying to scam by taking advantage of this situation.

so, sign the message or get the fuck outta here.  

P.S. I know that sometimes secured wallets are not easily accessible to sign a message, so to be fair and afford you due process, please sign a message from that address in the next 3 days.  after that, you will be accused of being a scammer unless proven otherwise thereafter.

I don't think anyone will ever take him seriously.  He has been so successful recovering funds from scammers in the past that he has to bring his success up in every post and threaten physical harm in every post. 

Everyone knows that the loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room.

If someone was to physically retaliate against an alleged scammer I'm sure they wouldn't be posting about it in a public forum.

Yes of course he doesn't own the address and the bitcoin, I am also interested to see a signed message. Can you sign one ?

I'm doubtful he's scamming and I believe he owns the ~150TH, but the approach he is taking is foolish. Public threats are seldom wise, it's best to talk softly and carry a big stick.

Usually, when people broadcast threats, they are just empty hope. Maybe he just has a unique personality and he can indeed fully back what he states, but actions always speak louder than words. I applaud anyone that goes after scammers, and while my pursuit of scammers are always upon legal methods, I imagine there are many places that this approach would not work.

Putting the threats in a public forum is simply a smoking gun though, and doesn't have much of a benefit for anyone.

Maybe he has a touch of asperger syndrome.

Could he be Putin? ;)

https://i.imgur.com/LVj314e.jpg

Yo I am all over this

Ok, some results now, thanks to some members, man enough to not accept scamming without a fight:

This is what i got on 'rockxie' head of Rockminer, by his own words, responsible for AMHASH:

His real name is 'Xie Jian' (谢坚) born 9/29/1983 from Hunan Zhuzhou Liling.
according to sources below, he is back at Liling.
one of his family member name seems to be 'Shi Xie'

sources:
http://chuansong.me/n/796405
http://lilinghuayi.i.sohu.com/profile/index.htm

last known work place is 'Liling Huayi Electronics Technology Co., Ltd.'
last known contact number: +86-0733-3259123, +96-0733-3256123, +15115304800

sources:
http://huayi123co.cn.china.cn/contact-information/
http://huayi123123.me.1688.com/

The HUNT CONTINUES, next step is to verify family member status and get info to contact, also contact companies listed and/or collaborators for more data.

Again : you should post a signed message. It will not take a lot of time , only 30-40 seconds. If you don't know how to sign a message here a guide (with multibit) : http://support.bitcoin.cz/Knowledgebase/Article/View/36/0/how-to-sign-a-message-using-a-bitcoin-client

AGAIN: Do you have any info?, if not, don't bother in writing for proof of something that you cannot collect.

Uh-oh, someones getting angry because someone asked for something. Watch out redsn0w, AirWolf is gonna haxx0r you.

Hey Airwolf, how many times have you had to change your password to forum recently?

Don't wanna be a buzzkill here, but what exactly will signing the 10 BTC prove anyways? I mean, isn't effectively everybody here able to sign some address with 10 BTC on it? This isn't proving that he has gathered up 10 BTC from various burned investors.

I'm also interested to see a signed message if it is possible and after maybe I can help you. Let me know  if you are honest.

Ownership of the address.

If they own that address - i.e. have the private key for it - then yes.
If it's somebody else's address, just boasting "Guys! I have 1,234BTC lololol! Look here's the address: 1whateveretc." falls through as soon as they're unable or unwilling to prove ownership.

Not sure what this statement is even about, unless it was meant to read "hasn't" (though even then it's only slightly less confusing) :)

Well signing the address only proved that he has 10 BTC under his control - nothing more. It doesn't say jack about where these 10 BTC come from and whether they are from investors who have chipped in for the hunt or whatever.

if you look closer at the dates when the 10 btc has been sent to the wallet you may think that it is real oracle. Guy knew that this will happen in 2013 :)

This is strange, but maybe this is one of their (group) addresses so he has caught one of them and posted it, but without a simple signed message he is only a liar. I will offer my apologies if he will prove that he (or better his group) is owning that address and obviously of that 10 bitcoins.

Offering a ten btc reward with no proof ie no signed message is great if you are looking for red the trust rating!?

I have seen people get them for less so good luck OP hopefully you hurry up and prove you have funds you offer or i smell it just around the corner  ;D

This is what we know now about AMHASH:

-BctLtcNmc is a user that lives in China and visited the AM offices, he says that they are closed and emptied, he says could look through the window.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10651353#msg10651353
-Rock Xie, whose real name is Xie Jian, principal of ROCKMINER, the company that runs AMHASH sent and statement saying that we all must wait until the now infamous friedcat appears again and that he has to solve the problem.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10647252#msg10647252
-One Dong Zhao, said in a forum in China that he is OK, but at large.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg10656672#msg10656672
-AM execs. have turned their phones off
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg10657396#msg10657396
-Nor ASICMINER or ROCKMINER are talking or responding to public about this.
-They have admitted that they lied, 3 times now, for fear of spreading panic.

1.- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10392962#msg10392962
2.- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10610885#msg10610885
3.- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10631414#msg10631414

-Rock Xie (Xie Jian) the AMHASH responsible personal data has been uncovered
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976421.0
-Friedcat real name is Xinyu Jiang
-A reward is being offered for more personal information:
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974893.0
-AMHASH shares are frozen in Havelock
-A lot of money is on the move on the AMHASH payment account
-I have reported this story to Coindesk and Cryptocoinnews
-I'm preparing to run an ad campaign denouncing this in the most visible BTC related sites

@AirWolf , do you understand that no one believe that you are owning 10 btc and that it is your/yours bitcoin address ? I think you "think" we are stupid but we aren't stupid.

Good luck with your research and remember the signed message.

Do you understand that i consider you a troll and i am not interested in your pitches?
Do you understand that i don't think you have any shred of useful information?
Do you understand that i am receiving good intel via PM and not public forum?
Do you understand that i think that you are sending this messages only to discredit the effort and to protect AMHASH?

Do you understand that from now on you are being IGNORED?

He is not cop orating and he is claiming to have a reward for those who work in giving proof of something he wants. This is very close to a scam as he is not willing to prove he owns the ten btc he claims he does also what chances do anyone have of really getting the imaginary btc even if they provide the right evidence. If vod was here he would be red i would think about it also if i was in the trust list at least until he provided signed message. Cheers.

I do not want to give him a negative trust because he is not a scammer (probable scammer) but he is a liar and how we can trust a liar? Let's see if he will sign a message from that address ( I think it is needed about 30-40 seconds or less). However the title is a purely misleading he doesn't want to prove the ownership of the bitcoin address.

Yes i agree he is a probable scammer but is that not what the trust is for to weed out the probable scammers before they do scam?

He has been asked probably about 10 times from different people to provide a signed message and he has not done so,  :-\ leaves only room for him not owning the address and then obviously not able to pay the money he claims he will pay.

He is a very shady character because like you say just 30-40 seconds and its all sorted hmmmm

My god you guys are acting as if 10 BTC is a million dollar stash. I have my own issues with the OP, but come on, who cares if he proves the 10 BTC with a signed message. WTF?

He will prove that he is not a liar, it is only a question about the honesty (not only a question of "money"). He want first the information but also the users want first the signed message (not the bitcoins) but only the signed message.

Now this plot deepens, a lot of the users here trying to obfuscate the hunting effort have been in contact and doing business with Xie Jian (a.k.a RockXie) the man responsible for the AMHASH scam....

Oh now you have received a negative trust from Chris_Sabian, will you (now) sign a message from that bitcoin address ? Or maybe are you only a liar ?

AMHASH SCAM HITTING THE NEWS: http://www.btcreporter.com/2015/03/04/mystery-in-bitcoinland-the-disappearance-of-friedcat/

I told you then, and i tell you now:  I WILL GET OUR MONEY BACK

It will help a lot that if you are a victim of AMHASH, you also contact this addresses

CoinDesk: news@coindesk.com
CCN: david.parker@cryptocoinsnews.com

Ask them to run the story and provide some sources, like this example message:

Are you aware of this new scam involving ASCIMINER and  ROCKMINER:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10646608#msg10646608
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10645504#msg10645504
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976421.msg10661393#msg10661393
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974893.msg10643266#msg10643266

Please look in to this.

Whose money you bring back?
I guess yours. If any. Do not know how you want to retrieve mine.

How will this take place? I tell you how much shares i have and you pay me?

Sounds very unlikely.
Sounds more like total bullshit.

there are big money movements on the asic miner wallets, so there are 2 possibilities:

1 Friedcat is sole owner of the access to companies wallets and is draining the purse, or
2 Friedcat is not the only one who has access to the funds, and some other Am principals are accessing funds.

both of the possible cases are in contradiction to what officially has been stated by Am/Amhash

NB
AM shall not turn back at their subsidiary Amhash as they were allways saying it is joint-venture between them and rock miner

After digesting this thread as a spectator....

1. AirWolf needs to stop making lame excuses and sign the message already.
2. In any situation featuring an anonymous personality (friedcat) allegedly committing fraud or being the victim of worse, why should the rest of us turn around and trust/believe other anonymous actors? Who is "Airwolf"? Why should we believe he is anything but another scammer? Investors who are likely out funds should have learned a lesson and not cooperate or fund other actors who may defraud them further.

In short, legit efforts to recoup losses should be above-board and not anonymous, not make vague illegal-sounding threats, threaten friends and family, etc.  Real manliness doesn't involve exaggerated displays of swagger; while it may involve being firm and showing perseverance, it also requires the use of tact, a sense of responsibility and forbearance and a right ordering of priorities - such as not threatening innocent people for the sake of recovering ones funds, even if that means losing everything.

BTCecause BTCitcoin!^TM

Which wallets?

Ditto that. What's the point of making statements like that without providing the evidence?

If Friedcat was a scammer, why wait until now to move the funds? I'd think they'd have moved the funds +/- 5 minutes after "disappearing." Curious.

So Friedcat is missing, Amhash can't tell a straight story or say what they know of what is going on, some anonymous collector/extortionist is trying to hunt them down while maintaining their own anonymity and failing a basic test for proof of funds... just another dramatic bit of theater in bitcoinland :-)  (With apologies to those invested in this mess.)

If he controls the private keys, why would he?  You do understand how Bitcoin works, right?  Read Satoshi's white paper, brah, it's powerful stuff.

Guess it all depends on how the original account in question is set up. Naïve person that I am, if I was establishing a bitcoin-oriented business today, I'd be doing it with multi-sig (M of N signatures required to move funds), requiring multiple company officials to agree on funds movement, and expect that anyone joining me in the business would absolutely expect such a setup. Otherwise they'd see it as a huge red flag and jump ship, warning others away as well.

So a scammer would need to steal additional keys to abscond with the funds, and would need to act promptly to remove the funds before honest actors in the company realized something was amiss and took steps to move/safeguard the funds themselves.

Until such basic expectations about good business practices are absolutely standard across the bitcoin community we'll continue to be plagued by scams that could have been avoided.

You've sent coin to Canadian Anon claiming to be an unlicenced Panamanian exchange, assuming that coin will go to Chinese Anon calling himself "friedcat."
You're clearly well-versed in international finance, a super-srs d00d.  Anything but naive ::)

You'd think if AirWolf had done all this amazing sutff and got money back for Forum members they would have given him some positive trust feedback?

A multi-sig wallet could've solved this issue...

You are implying that the people here that gave me bad feedback is trustable, just check their own trust pages and what kind of shady business they have been into, like this ones:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=137510
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=110662

I think many of them have some kind of business partnership with Rock Xie and Friedcat.

They gave me bad feedback for hunting down AMHASH, i have never done ANY business with people in this forum, besides tipping Puppet for the info he got on PBmining that allowed me to get my money back.

I think many of them have some kind of business with Rock Xie and Friedcat.

And The Hunt will continue, i don't care about their feedback or their trolling, I WILL GET MY MONEY BACK, AGAIN

????

You're not making any sense at all. I mentioned above I am a spectator to all this. No involvement besides reading this thread.

^
O, I see.  Sorry for not keeping up with your posts.

So, you mean to tell me that this could have, in theory, all been avoided?  If Anon going by friedcat wanted to unavail himself the option of vanishing into thin air if/when shit hit fan, he could have taken preemptive measures?  And you say blockchain technology could have facilitated this?   Huh.  Seems a bit fantastical, but just might have worked!  

Wish I could have smart thoughts like that...

as long as "you invested not more than you could afford to loose" its fine. Every hobby cost something....

Yet another sad state of affairs. Respectable Bitcoiners everywhere are outraged!

http://cornucopiacreations.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/EmptyTheatreSeatswMic.jpg

Soon they will, CNN is coming..

I think I see the source of your confusion. Are you suggesting that I am Puppet?

It is a long story actually. All paths lead to CanaryInTheMine, the person behind making FriedCat so trustworthy today. Start reading here => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888960.0

Some more real data, thanks to those supporting, as they do it for free, i share it for free:


This is Rock Xie, also know 'Xie Jian' (谢坚) born 9/29/1983 from Hunan Zhuzhou Liling.
according to sources below, he is back at Liling.
one of his family member name seems to be 'Shi Xie'
last known work place is 'Liling Huayi Electronics Technology Co., Ltd.'
last known contact number: +86-0733-3259123, +96-0733-3256123, +15115304800

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10556511_10153006389339056_1327416793459184349_n.jpg?oh=ad0888b73fc179a30a5577b45c6d18fb&oe=558FAB57&__gda__=1434108090_d7c84935bc5bcb79e20d4259d659de06

The email rockxie@gmail.com is related to these domains :

1.  7hash.com
2.  amhash.com
3.  asicminershop.com
4.  bitebika.com
5.  bitell.com
6.  btotc.com
7.  chuagnshi.com
8.  cryptominingchina.com
9.  foks.cn
10.  fowor.com
11.  miepay.com
12.  monaobian.com
13.  rock-miner.com
14.  rockhash.com
15.  rockkin.com
16.  shoujihuanping.com
17.  weimud.com
18.  xuanpai.com
19.  youkuhezi.com

Is it really necessary to post that in EVERY thread? This is annoying.
Please stop it. One thread is enough.

+1

I need some help in making the banners in Chinese for the ad campaign that i plan to run on Weibo and other chinese sites next week, can someone help?, please PM me.

For the english campaign banners, i can use some help in the graphics.

I plan to run them with the face of this scammer and the name of all 3 companies.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10556511_10153006389339056_1327416793459184349_n.jpg?oh=ad0888b73fc179a30a5577b45c6d18fb&oe=558FAB57&__gda__=1434108090_d7c84935bc5bcb79e20d4259d659de06

Pictures of the EMPTY office of AMHASH in China here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977777.0

"Gentlemen, we have been had..."

The email domain@lightbox.org is related to these domains :

1.  bancroftoldhastings.com
2.  benttreecanoe.com
3.  canoefm.com
4.  carlcoxrv.com
5.  cwsf.info
6.  cwsf2005.org
7.  havelockinvestments.com
8.  homeworkanswers.net
9.  hotvids.biz
10.  hotvids.net
11.  hotvids.org
12.  iicelebrity.com
13.  innovative-service.com
14.  lakesidegems.com
15.  lightbox.org
16.  northerntimberhouse.com
17.  nosycat.com
18.  oralotis.org
19.  peoplefood.org
20.  quinterocks.com
21.  scitechontario.org
22.  sonsoftech.com
23.  teddytime.com
24.  thebenefitscoach.com
25.  upnorthart.com

Admin ID:CR30988756
Admin Name:James Grant
Admin Organization:Lightbox Technologies Inc
Admin Street: 21 Concourse Gate
Admin Street: Unit 13
Admin City:Ottawa
Admin State/Province:Ontario
Admin Postal Code:K2E7S4
Admin Country:CA
Admin Phone:+1.6136861661
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email:

I think I've discovered why he won't post a signed message. It's because this guy is almost certainly the owner/operator of the cloudmining.website/minethatcloud ponzi's.

Compare these ramblings:



How likely is it that these fresh accounts with broken English, both came up with the same misconception/conspiracy theory? (Keep in mind russianrainbow/germangiant/spanishsoldier are all the same person and the owner/operator of the cloudmining.website ponzi)

Russianrainbow/GG/SS thinks everyone who doesn't support his ponzi must be working for AM/HL, but I don't know how "airwolf" could have come up with the same conspiracy theory. (unless it's the same guy)

Raskul (who has likely never said something supportive of AM/HL) hasn't even posted in this thread and I haven't seen Puppet or Mr. Teal post anything that would remotely suggest they are AM/HL shills.

I'm guessing this thread is just retaliation for causing his "minethatcloud" ponzi to collapse prematurely and hurting his "cloudmining.website" ponzi sales. Or maybe this is just another scam of his.

^
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At 4th and Drucker he turns left, at Drucker and 4th he turns right, he crosses McArthur Park & walks into a great sandstone building!
Groping for the door he steps inside, climbs the 13 steps to his office.  He walks in, he’s ready for mystery, he’s ready for excitement, he’s ready for anything he’s…

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Jimmothy, Third Eye!

Ha ha ha ha ha... ;D

It is great that just because I participate in a certain signature campaign and I kicked your friend Mabshark out of DefaultTrust blessing by CanaryInTheMine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888960.msg9911136#msg9911136), you dragged my name into this. The following proof/explanation is not to you, but to anyone who can think logically...

In January 08, 2015, 02:22:15 PM I posted that Rascal is associated with Spondoolies Tech...


So, why on earth, I'll say that Rascal is associated with AM hash ? ::)

It seems that with the nearly sinking ship of HaveLock, Jimmothy has gone mad and drawing any possible conspiracy theory to link me with other people/service... :D

Jeezus, now the trolls are arguing with their own alts. Too much!

Troll.  Singular.  Entire Bitcointalk is just you & me, buddy.
I figured you would'a caught on by now, you seem like such a smart fellow.

Hey Airwolf i don't know if this could help you.... but James Grant is the name of the guy (I have some email from Sept 2013, for support request, i have done to havelock), who answered me, so he is the Canadian founder of havelock, that sold to the panama company all the site.....

PM me please.

airwolf there are so many threads about this so maybe i missed that part but when you get to these amhash/rockminer/asicminer scammers will you make them to repay everything they owe to you or to us, other amhash share holders,  also?  ;) because, you know, we are just little stones in the sand, and you are our savior  ;)
u know... just asking...  ::)

PM me

Read Puppet DEFEND ASICMINER here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10683608#msg10683608

Now you're just being stupid. How is that defending AM?

1. Says AM isn't a ponzi -> True. A ponzi pays new investors from old investors money. AM did a single round of share issuance 2.5 years ago and raised ~BTC15k, worth around $150k at the time. Since then they've paid out almost BTC100k, at a time when BTC was over US$100. There is a massive amount of AM hardware out there, and many people here's first foray into mining was using a Block Erupter USB stick. A straight up ponzi cannot pay out more than it brings in.

2. Says AM could be a legit company turned scam. Also true, there is definitely a lot of sketchiness around the current situation and based on how things usually go in the Bitcoin world I'd be surprised at this point if all the AMHash investors got paid in full. I would personally say AM has been getting continually worse over the last year with how they've interacted with customers and investors, though they've always been pretty bad.

3. Says that this being them just turning scam doesn't make a lot of sense. This is debatable, but I'd agree with him. AM's last major publicity was the Prisma catching fire debacle, and Asicminer must have incurred serious losses replacing all those boards free of charge under their voluntary recall. If they would straight up going to run they could have promised free upgrades to BE300 instead alongside preselling the crap out of BE300 before running. Now, they might have done the Prisma recall expecting to continue forward with business as usual but BE300 was a failure, but no one really knows at this point.

All that isn't defending AM, it's just saying that they're not a ponzi, might be a scam, and the whole thing doesn't make sense. This is what defending a scam sounds like.

I agree with MrTeal. This is plain stupid. He is only stating the facts. Everything that he posted is true facts. That's NOT DEFENDING.

Airwolf probably have a form autism either that or he is 12. I just ignore him and move on with my day.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10737141#msg10737141

So basically: The miners were not stolen, but IMPOUNDED, FC is not missing but ARRESTED, and we are totally SCAMMED BEYOND REDEMPTION.

This could be exactly what happened. I would caution any of us from getting too comfortable with that story though, the translation is not confirmed and there are at least five different versions floating out there now all based on partial translations. It does not look good, so the board will need to step up soon before this situation spirals outside of their immediate control.

Whether he is on the run or arrested is irrelevant, right now, on those conditions HE IS NOT GOING TO APPEAR and most probably is already enjoying our money somewhere else in the world.

Gentlemen, i think is time that we stop chasing this ghost and go after those we can reach, before they run too.

Are you now going to threaten the Chinese police (and their friends/family) if they don't give preferential treatment to your silly little investing club?

Funny how Icedrill is currently paying dividends while AM isn't.  RoadStress is going to have to eat a really big crow sandwich...   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Smells like PopCorn  ;D

You late to the party man. It's been a long time since we haven't heard from AirWolf, his Russian friends in the government or those thieves from AM or AMHash :-\ We can only guess...

Looking at this whole fiasco in retrospect some things stand out.
I'm going to talk primarily about AM because they are AMHASH, it was their machines, they controlled the wallets, they took the profits, rockxie was just a manager, a middle man, a stooge. If you want info on AMHASH look no further than AM.
That said, the beginning of the end for AM (at least the most obvious) came around the time of FC's "salon" last summer, the famous "we will crush the competition" speech and the "lab coin" slides he showed, that salon.
Around the same time FC was giving weak lip service to what was supposedly PR and shareholder reassurance, and they were (falsely) claiming the last gen chips were amaze-ballz there was a pretty huge sell off of shares on the market, ~4000 in one go IIRC. That should have been a giant red flag, I know a few here noticed... Great news and reassurance all round yet investors dumping large? Sounds like insider info to me. Actually, considering that the lies coming from FC while it all went down... Blatant manipulation is most accurate.
This all happened before AMHASH was even realized, just before it. Looks like AMHASH was a premeditated scam then. FC and friends (?) already knew that AM was doomed, they couldn't budge the useless AM1 price with their grandest lies to shareholders and decided to burn everybody with the side-scam AMHASH, a quick little money generating ponzi "fuck you" as a sort of farewell and thank you to all the lovely people who made them rich (but obviously not rich enough)

I would suggest OP invest his 10 BTC in a Chinese private eye to hunt down FC, then point the Chinese cops at FC, then pay the Chinese PI to video FC's execution in n front of firing squad. That's as much value as you will ever see from AM
Show's over folks, nothing left to see but us shit-hawks here.

Ive never seen NLC call any offering anything BUT a scam. his trolling defeats itself because he unanimously carpet-bombs these threads with scam accusations. There is nothing he has ever supported... maybe MPOE or MPex or whatever that ponzi is called... and it has been said he is either under employ of Mircrea Popscue or actually the man tranny himself. besides, if he was part of the scam why would he suggest that it was indeed a scam?

he's annoying as hell, but just a troll... I haven't even seen him around here for a while anyway...

"Does anyone else hate notlambchop for being always right?"

I must admit notlambchop, what a creative way to masturbate in public.


Yes, you did. You said every bitcoin security (specifically everything listed on havelock) is a scam meanwhile PETA and BDD have fulfilled (without breaching) their contracts.

Even though 99% of bitcoin securities are scams, you still couldn't manage to be right 99% of the time by calling everything you see a scam.

You spent hundreds of hours writing thousands of posts spewing verbal diarrhea and convinced literally nobody of the point you were trying to make. Well done.