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This is what he has to say

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https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240 (https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240)

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

Equity in StartJoin will be on 70% rebate if payed with StartCoin next week

https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/608579205840908288 (https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/608579205840908288)

Main Startcoin discussion thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651307 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651307)

And Kim Dotcom will rise his capital through Bank to the future - part of Start ecosystem.

http://s11.postimg.org/4hp54ua7n/kimdotcom_01.png

84 million coin supply with %50 premine... 

Blehhhh...    :(

math not good for it anything happen

24 months?  24 months ago, there was hardly any alternates, such a long time frame for a 'projection'.

Actually considering Russel Brand has 8 million followers and his $hitcoin has less capitalization than obscure $hitcoins, I don't feel too confident about this one, for the same reason I didn't think highly of Maxcoin (which was Startcoin V1).

Russel Brand has a coin too??

StartCoin (the one we are currently discussing) is "his" coin, yes.

Well, he has expressed some sympathy, that's it, or did I miss something?

By the way, will that Bnktothefuture fund invest in Startcoin?

Another question:

“Part of the beauty of StarCoin is that we have approximately $2-3 million to give away in the next 2-3 months,” Kaiser says.

“We’re giving millions of dollars away to people using scratch cards and using it online to fund these projects that are funding the basis of a political revolution that is Russel Brand’s revolution. So this is a new economy, a new currency.”

http://rt.com/news/250093-russell-brand-crypto-currency/

How will Max do that, as the market cap is below 2 million USD so far?

How do you distribute these scratch cards or will it just be primarily people in London receiving them?  As well are people just restricted to spending on the project inviestment page (which can easily be embezzled - if you're a blackhat, just acquire a lot of scratch cards and invest into your own fake listing) or can they be converted right away into BTC?

How will Max do that?  Well..  As I read this..  I got a very PayCoin vibe all of the sudden... could this be another "$20 guarantee" thing?   :D
 

If they were that sincere in starting a "political revolution" and creating a "people's currency"  why did they do a 50% premine ?  :-\

Not really giving anything away for "free" its just from the profits they would be making off of you!  ::)

Well, how could they give anything away without the pre-mine? I think people outside of crypto-land are less concerned about that pre-mine aspect.

Max is a shill for Putin and Russia Today even though the regime is anti-Bitcoin, this alone proves he is in it for himself.

i live in the u.s. and ordered trew cards.  they arrived early and are now worth more than what i paid for them.

3 of the biggest Scammers on Planet Earth scamming together, what a surprise.


I hope you guys know that Kimble ratted out tons of people in germany in the past to the cops and was working wiht lawyers and law enforcement to earn cash, he even ratted out his own "friends".

Megalithic StartScam !
 ;D

4 more projects funded today good job StartJoiners  :)

This StartCoin stuff has been brewing for ages guys do your homework ;)
Look for Maxcoin hint hint LOL

and wow bold predictions.. not like we hear those too often.
and besides if true ? so damn what.. your not going to impress me claiming to be the ALTERNATIVE COIN with the biggest Cap.
want to impress me ? get a bigger cap than bitcoin..
further more Market Cap data was rendered useless and corrupt loooooooong ago !
I by myself I might add forced some of the people involved with that scammy bullshit to *revise their methods.
they mouthed me off and fought me then did a 180 and admitted  I was 1,000% correct.
AUR coin was a the tipping point where I had enough..
The guys who made that coin premined it then had the site coinmarketcap promise (in advance / before launch)
that they would add the coin with premined coins considered as part of the "Cap"
and I know this because I got the info ahead of time from a guy who was selling the advance release info to you all.
so I seen it coming and caught them red handed and still have the time stamped messages etc.
anyway that one stunt was disgusting but it become a trend.. especially when idiots here bought in, raising AUR to $14 a coin on cryptsy.
that got the coin cloning weazles foaming at the mouth (and exchanges)

so uhhh Market Cap ? puuuuuuuuuuuhlease LOL
worthless data period .

EDIT:
By the way.. it is because of me that Coinmarketcap (the web site)
uses asterisks besides coins now. to my shock not even one single solitary one of you were bothered by what they were doing.
And when I brought it up.. not 1 of you agreed with me either.
Yet again it's up to me to kick some ass and police this crap while ALL of you hide silently in the corner (trying to make money off any IPO shenanigans you all can)

Probably these ones, hard to keep up :)

1. StartNote - Gold Cryptobullion 2015 https://www.startjoin.com/CryptoStartNote (https://www.startjoin.com/CryptoStartNote)
2. Queer Friends of Chelsea Manning https://www.startjoin.com/ChelseaManning (https://www.startjoin.com/ChelseaManning)
3. Gold and Silver European Supplier https://www.startjoin.com/goldsupplier  (https://www.startjoin.com/goldsupplier)
4. start parties https://www.startjoin.com/letsparty (https://www.startjoin.com/letsparty)

Premine is mostly for rewards and interest rate on the coins deposited at Startjoin. Not only miners get rewarded - like in most coins, but also network builders and pledgers.

Yes - https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/607120895224762368 (https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/607120895224762368)

http://www.bitcoincapital.io/ (http://www.bitcoincapital.io/)

I think it's supposed to be 2-3 million startcoins - unless they will be worth $1 each ..

Some are distributed at Russel Brands trews cafe, where the first startcoin ATM will be placed. Some are given to projects on startjoin. People can also request them if they arrange startcoin meetings. Some are distributed on conferences, like https://www.startjoin.com/startcoin_china (https://www.startjoin.com/startcoin_china) (Simon and Max are wanted as keynote speakers many places.) There may be more options.

Example for china:
http://s29.postimg.org/u2ortqi9z/Chinese.png

And no, there is no guarantee about the price of Startcoin, the marked decides. There is no restrictions on the coins from the cards, they can be exchanged for whatever you want.

The premine is the reason coins can be given away for free, that we have interest rate, and rewards for spreading it on social media and spending it on startjoin.

I'm not sure i understand the full point of this post, but startcoins market cap on coinmarketcap contains the part of the premine that's currently in circulation. This data is supplied by a API from startjoin.

Well, that`s not what Max Keiser said. He should know the difference between 1 Startcoin and 1 US Dollar. I actually don`t care that much about the pre-mine issue, but Mr Keisers tendency for hyberbole it somewhat bewildering me. He is to understatement what Paycoin is to Sound Money.
Anyway, I wish the project all the best. May they have people on board who watch their words better than he does.

2 hours to go for Bitcoin capital

http://s11.postimg.org/6djgi5wub/BCC_08.png

Premine is why virtually every alt coin is pumped and dumped on bagholders.

Its really to bad that Russell Brand is behind a 50% premined coin. I really liked his documentaries and social advocacy. Unfortunately, someone did not clue him in on how scam coins work. This could of been done right, fairly distributed, advocating the freedom of blockchain currency.
But with this coin, Brand is really no better than the Big Banksters he rails against.

Premine can also be done right, and that's what's being done here. Is it really more fair to only reward the miners and not the people doing all the other work, including actually making a marked and using/spreading the coin? I don't think so, and fully support the premine.

Agreed.

StartCoin is an X11 PoW, 60 sec. block, every 12 month halving coin, secured with secp256k1. 

That's it, end of story.

Why do you think these shills push you to use this over bitcoin for their chumpatron crowdfunding? 
 

 

 

Because its StartCoin and it rhymes with FartCoin.

What does "part of the Start ecosystem" mean precisely? I`m still a little bit confused by the structure (i.e. how is startCOIN related to BNKTTF)?

The Start ecosystem is being built right now, some parts are finished, others are not. Some of the parts can be seen on this picture:

http://s1.postimg.org/le2idgtwf/Start_Join_Family.png

Startjoin is the crowdfunding plattform with rewards https://www.startjoin.com/ (https://www.startjoin.com/)
StartPay is the Startcoin equivalent of BitPay -Not finished https://twitter.com/startpay (https://twitter.com/startpay)
StartChat is an encrypted chat application with built in Bitcoin and Startcoin payments - not finished http://www.startchat.org/ (http://www.startchat.org/)
StartCoin - the coin binding things together - https://startcoin.org/ (https://startcoin.org/)
BnkToThefuture - Equity crowdfunding plattform with Startcoin and Bitcoin payments included https://bnktothefuture.com/ (https://bnktothefuture.com/)


Bitcoin Capital - Fund holding startcoin, bitcoin, a mining farm on Iceland and will invest in crypto startups. http://www.bitcoincapital.io/ (http://www.bitcoincapital.io/)
Karl grays coming $50 mill fund - no details known

Small pieces:
Mobile wallet https://startwallet.com/#!/ (https://startwallet.com/#!/)
Blockchain explorer: http://explorer.startcoin.org/ (http://explorer.startcoin.org/)
Paper wallet generator: https://startaddress.org/ (https://startaddress.org/)

And all lead by a truly one of a kind fantastic team: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/freedom-how-startcoin-renegotiates-power-for-the-people-tickets-16971039837 (https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/freedom-how-startcoin-renegotiates-power-for-the-people-tickets-16971039837)

The goal is  to have all the pieces of a bank free economic ecosystem - and build on that.

what happened to Max Coin ?
massive hoopla then a huge dump and it was never heard from again.
is this not relevant ?

and yeah I have an issue with a premine as large as 50%
and where is the accountability for it ?
I'd like to see a public over sight on that and have secure measures in place so we don't here "sorry we got hacked"

it smells to me of hype and dump.. all over again.

but hey good luck with it guys.. I doubt it will amount to much.
unless you get bigger than Bitcoin your doomed to be beaten by the next flavor of the month coin later.

I also think the behavior of this coin and the guys with it are fishy..
The people behind this coin have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to quiet prepping this for a long time now.
And that is not the type of behavior you would expect from a Team / Supporters who want mass acceptance / adoption etc (from the general public)
Don't tell me they have been amassing coins all this time  ::) LOL

edit:
And I was clear earlier.. Market cap data is bullshit.
You posted making a claim about it and I said so damn what !
And why would you post that ?
manipulative me thinks..
you could have posted something else like hey this coin is going to be adopted by the public and has some interesting backers or something.
Why post market cap predictions ? hmmm I wonder LOL

Yes it is relevant. Maxcoin was a good coin, but lost Keiser's interest after the much better concept of Startcoin was conceived. Maxcoin is not and never was a part of a financial ecosystem like startcoin is. Startcoin is Max's brainchild, Maxcoin was not, it was a student project that he backed. Maxcoin is also part of the reason Startcoin is still so incredibly cheap because of suspicion from the public.


I think Startjoin is cloudflared, and pretty robust built, but I do not know the details. More accountability would be nice. The addresses for premined blocks can be found on startcoin website.



They have not been quiet at all, you just have not followed the right channels for information. Twitter is most important. Close to nobody care about bitcointalk, but I think it's only fair that it's also posted here when such large events happen.


What is bullshit about the market cap data? Jamie's computers at startjoin knows exactly how many coins from the premine has entered circulation, and that number is included in the Available Supply on http://coinmarketcap.com/ (25,507,235 START). There is another number, Total supply which is currently mined coins + the whole of the premine (56,923,960 START) Finally there is the total number of coins that will ever be mined (pre and not pre) which is 84 million coins.

lets save the world from the evil bankers says a group of multi millionaire pro scamers  ::)

Right, what exactly is the scamming accusation about?

I think we were talking about startcoin. 

So, whats scam about it?

For starters (no pun intended)  we have things like:  "You must first login or signup to support a project".   WTF?  I wonder if they screen addresses out of peoles project descriptions to ensure their cut? 

At best this is middlemanism (which doesn't necessarily imply scam btw), and hiring expensive lawyers and accountants (as seen on startjoin www) with monies you divert from people trying to fund small projects is at best a mistake.   

"London is the heart of world kleptocracy, that's why I moved here.  Buy startcoin".  Something like that. 

   

 


 

?

Do you find any crowdfunding platforms where you don't need an account? If you use facebook it takes the push of a button.


BTw, we are supporting anonymity https://www.startjoin.com/StartOR_Project (https://www.startjoin.com/StartOR_Project)

Lighthouse is one example.    

Why make users push extra buttons when you could just display an address and collect the cash?  You can still take a cut, so I don't get it.  The only reason I can think to do this would be to collect a database of donor's emails for use in spamming, but I still fail to see how this could be worth as much as the business you lose by making potential donors jump through hoops, not to mention the extra server side costs.  And anyway, most will give you fake / throwaway ones.  



  

 

The social part, with things like karma score for rewards, and the messages between users, which is rather important as there is a lot of communication going on would not work. If a project does not get fully funded the funds are given back, that would not work either. So, no it would not work. That said, there could theoretically be a way to give to projects without having to log in. Then it would have to be bitcoin or startcoin, and you would not get your funds back even if the project did not reach its target.

Twitter is as I said the most important channel:  :)

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https://twitter.com/paradimeshift

what is different than say Ripple ? 50% pre-mine vs 100% ?
it's still the same old routine.. nothing changes.

I'd love to sit on 40 million coins and make bold predictions hoping you all make my coins worth a $ buck each LOL
You just can't dance around the core key facts.
Look around no one cares about Altcoins.. they care about Bitcoin itself (the market values speak loud & clear on that)
Why one more ?
So I can be the Satoshi sitting on the massive mother load hoping it goes to a grand a coin that is why.
Grand plans.. good luck with that.

And don't get me wrong here I may be negative but so what, no one cares what I think..
I spoke up loudly before Doge coin took off for example and you all called me a Troll and bought Doge coins regardless LOL
The people will do what they want to do.. problem is the kids that showed up got smarter or ran out of money.
You can only rip off little kids for their money so many times before they are broke.

How many existing currencies existed before StartCoin ?
We needed another one ? really ?

So don't buy any StartCOIN. What is the reason for the ignorant hater rampage?

You obviously have not even bothered to look at the StartJOIN business model. Had you, everyone of your rants would have been answered.

So yes, we needed one more - StartCOIN. And it will be second to none.

Limbaugh is right, you have to study the business model to understand why it's not just another altcoin. I think this recent tweet sums it up quite well.

http://s21.postimg.org/aipyiesrb/KG_7.png

 ;)

Hello Ducky, Thanks for the backing.

My pleasure, you are doing a great job!

funny I bumped a topic on jackpot coin and I got the topic moved to the trash for advertising (couple months back) and yet you can post this ?
yeah I got pissed off the usual double standard around here..  ::)

You have no idea.. dogecoinshop was thanking me for the contributions I did to his projects on startjoin. Besides, this topic is important, it's not every day one of the richest bitcoin holders on earth tells the audience that a new coin is about to arise to fame. I'm not advertising, just giving a hint (believe it or not). It probably does not matter to startcoins future success what readers of this forum thinks anyway.

The business models of Kim Schmitz aka Kimble aka Kim Tim Jim Vestor aka Kim Dotcom are quiet easy to understand, he and his business partners betray all others for personal profit.

His history in brief:

1) He was arrested for trafficking stolen phone calling cards, released, arrested again... 11 counts of computer fraud and 10 for data espionage.
2) He worked together with Günther Freiherr von Gravereuth to snitch out Kim´s own friends who were running BBS´ just for the sake of making cash and selling the data to the cops, he even posed to be a girl in various amiga/c64 newspaper who is searching for people to send her warez (on floppys...back then)... of course all he wanted was the address data so he could sell them to Günther and his cop friends.
His fake name back then was "Tanja" a german girls name he had a large success with to snitch out tons of nerds who did nothing than helping "her".
3) He stole a hack from mr ma****** and became telekom employeer in germany, or well he founded his own company called DataProtect who got paid by Telekom..., they paid him not to publish it, a hack he didn´t even do himself, he managed to steal a hack, thats just ridiculous.
It was a bug/exploit in the GSM system of Deutsche Telekom Mobil D-1 (germanies largest phone provider) - just for info; he stole that hack from someone else and made cash with it.
4) He claimed he hacked the Citibank and wired Greenpeace 20 MIO USD; Greenpeach knows absolutely nothing about this.
5) He bought stocks from Letsbuyit.com, pumped and dumped them....stock market fraud + insider trading.
6) He fled to Thailand, tried to kill himself (or at least he said so online...) ...got arrested again for the stock market fraud in germany.
7) He moved to honkgong, registered a bullshit company called Kimpire Limited, he made shit like Hackers against Jihad after 11. September, yes he even wanted to profit from one of the worst terrorist attacks ever.
8) Hongkong made a case against him because stock market fraud, kim fatcom left HK and has gone to New Zealand.
9) NZ is so fucking stupid and lets him in, without checking why he had to flew from HK, once again totally bankrupt of course.
10) He founded Megaupload bullshit...and the rest is known....
11) Shit blows up, FBI wants to fuck him, everyone who knows Kim from the past wishes the FBI succeeds.
12) He found new scam idiots, this time Karl Grey and Max Keiser, all already known for the pump and dump. Keiser even having a tv show in mother russia...

Kim Dotcom is not mothers best boy, but he is very smart and an internet hero for a lot of people. Many of the things he is doing are the right things(TM). StartCOIN is for starting a revolution, not for keeping status quo.

He got the honor of being the first with his very own Startcoin scratch cards https://www.startjoin.com/scratch4kim (https://www.startjoin.com/scratch4kim)

Keiser's TV show air's all over the world - http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/ - and was telling people to buy Bitcoin when it was $3 (although I have not checked that myself)

No one who ratted out his own friends can be considered a "hero".
Only total internet retards who don´t know him would even consider this and this can only happen here on bitcointalk.

keiser and gray pumped and dumped the shit out of Litecoin, dumping their coins when it hit enough on tons of innocent fools.
Maxcoin was a scam from day one and since has been gone were it belongs.


Keisers show airs all over the world? How much crack did you smoke, it runs on russia today which alone says enough.

I only chew Nicorette  ;)

Russia Today is a bit like BBC and has stations in many parts of the world.

I don`t follow everything Russia Today broadcasts, but the shows they have on the economy are really good. They are a bit like the zerohedge.com of Youtube, with people like Mish Shedlock, Karl Denninger, Jim Rickards, Reggie Middleton and others showing up, who you rarely see on MSNBC or Bloomberg.

Pre-Register your interest to invest in StartCOIN Holdings (formerly StartJOIN Technology) co-founded by Max Keiser & Jamie Scott

https://bnktothefuture.com/portal/index.php/startjoin-investment-interest/ (https://bnktothefuture.com/portal/index.php/startjoin-investment-interest/)

Startcoin only for the 70% discount round

George Galloway - Mayor candidate for London to speak at startcoin event.

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/610717834822483968 (https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/610717834822483968)

20 000$ for his unsuccessful parliament campaign was funded with startcoin earlier this year: https://www.startjoin.com/ggbradford2015 (https://www.startjoin.com/ggbradford2015)

I have heard a LOT on Kim but I never heard he ratted anyone out before even once.
I have been involved in P2P circles so yeah I heard his story many times before (and many commenters too)
I like https://torrentfreak.com that is where I heard lots on kimmy before..

This guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJrWFoq2GIQ

I have to say Startcoin ensemble is looking more and more curious everyday.. a wretched hive of scum and villainy
I thought it was well known karl gray and keiser dreamed up the fontas persona after they brought artforz ltc stash for the low low a couple of years back, then they pivoted out to hire bill shill on a quark pump,, along with the keiser certified coin fails amongst various other schemes leaving a trail of bagholders behind , ltc seemingly has had it's final bounce soon after their lovechild psuedonym shows up after a brief hiatus..  now they are prep for their next long con, startjoin, I will grab the popcorn

Max Keiser Speech - George Galloway for London Mayor Launch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHPKPSFnsyE&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHPKPSFnsyE&app=desktop)

Great article by priceactionofcryps.com (http://priceactionofcryps.com):

 http://www.priceactionofcryps.com/home/hoxtonthismonday-startcoin-and-its-growing-eco-system-a-megalith (http://www.priceactionofcryps.com/home/hoxtonthismonday-startcoin-and-its-growing-eco-system-a-megalith)

First startcoin ATM to be demonstrated at hoxton event:

https://www.startjoin.com/jamiescottuk (https://www.startjoin.com/jamiescottuk)

Do you have any proof of that? The fontas story for instance?

Nice story bro.  I've seen no hard evidence these cats hodl anything but bezzle. 

Putin is an Old School Totalitarian Dictator and anti-Modern Civilization...
Which is the diametric anti-thesis of everything crypto WAS SUPPOSED to stand for...
Before it got hijacked by swindlers like keiser, brand, garza, mccaleb, et al

Let's face it... to the atheist/anarchist/crypto generation Hitler is a hilarious meme...
So you basically cannot reason with people who do not understand even very recent history.

all these scam coins want to be the biggest and baddest but the greedy in them took control to secured their profits, they dump and moving to the next scam coin.

You must be the biggest scammer of all.. you feel so threatened by people doing well probably because its ruining your own scams.

scammer the scam, lol, startcoin is nothing but scam, just like paycoin.

Just a reminder who George Galloway is

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/george-galloway-blames-racists-and-zionists-for-defeat-to-naz-shah-in-bradford-west-10234791.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/george-galloway-blames-racists-and-zionists-for-defeat-to-naz-shah-in-bradford-west-10234791.html)

“But there will be others who are already celebrating: the venal, the vile, the racists and the Zionists will all be celebrating. The hyena can bounce on the lion’s grave but it can never be a lion and in any case, I’m not in my grave. As a matter of fact I’m going off now to plan the next campaign.”

The victory will be particularly sweet for Shah, who Galloway accused of lying about the details of her forced marriage and troubled childhood in an open letter she wrote earlier this year.

So the guy loses to a Muslim woman who speaks out against arranged marriages and helped disabled people and calls her a liar, clearly his loss is the dirty J00s fault.

BOOM!

people can't say they weren't warned about the potential. this is the ground floor for everyone with their eyes open
batches of good news everyday, yet the price is tiny.... for now

After attending tonight's eventand speaking to Karl all i can say is BUY BUY BUY before you miss the boat

Forgot the legend

http://s8.postimg.org/62eeulmxx/startjoin_02.png

Startcoin Holdings investment flash funding 103% funded in less than 24 hours
https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2124/_startcoin-holdings-48-hour-startcoin-only-flash-funding-round.html

Have they got anyone lined up to start operating a service using one? Merely having an ATM for a coin is not going to increase its value unless businesses are prepared to operate them. Franko coin has an ATM but I don't think any businesses provide any services using it, and its done nothing to increase Franko coin's value.

To early to tell since its not properly rolled out yet, but there was talk of Brewdog. Startcoin can anyway be used online for investments and backing projects for the time being.

https://twitter.com/start_coin/status/613061652431405057 (https://twitter.com/start_coin/status/613061652431405057)
https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/609300240378777600 (https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/609300240378777600)

brewdog pubs, also

trew era cafe (russell brand) say will be installing them

also, Keiser plans on getting one in Moscow this year
https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/609407612854104064

Recent developments

- Bitcoin capital tranche 2 - 10% funded $5 million target https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2120/_bitcoin-capital-tranche-2-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html (https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2120/_bitcoin-capital-tranche-2-crypto-fund-managed-by-max-keiser-simon-dixon.html)
- Talks with Mastercard (!?)
- X11 Asic - and mining backed security coming soon(?) https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/614340827800846337 (https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/614340827800846337)

And Startcoin still incredibly cheap.

and it's a scam coin
i'm sure maxkeiser can't code but he's sure can scam and dump the free useless coins on everyone

I think the value in Max's backing is the potential for people to make money off his advice.
and face it.. most guys don't care if it smells like a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme (if it puts profit in their pocket)
I barely heard of him before way back years ago and who was his older fan base ?
Stock market money people etc ? people looking to make a buck I'm guessing.
the kind of people we do NOT need in crypto.. we seen what happens when these guys coming flooding in..
the crypto scene spikes up and crashes hard.
what we need is mom and pop's.. the average consumer

so..

when I hear about this, I think is this groups StartCoin push going to draw in these *new users we need ?
if money / market guys think this will happen they will dive on StartCoin hard and fast for an investment.

see where I am coming from on that guys ?

oh and who knows how it will turn out.. I am not just trying to bash the Startcoin project.
if these guys set it up right and do everything right it *could be a success I suppose.
I have no idea how it will pan out really..

if you think this way then maxcoin or megacoin already succeed but it don't. like you said most guys don't care and maxkeiser have no backing, he's just a laughing stock and everyone know it. they could invest their money into the coin but they don't, they rather take money out from dumb small investors little by little included maxcoin and megacoin. after maxcoin, megacoin and startcoin they will starting more coins, till they sucks almost all dumb suckers btc, little by little.

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Scambuster: I sometimes wonder if you live in a parallel universe, and that this discussions is the definitive proof that Huge Everett was correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation)

Does this look like a scam?

https://bnktothefuture.com/search/pitches (https://bnktothefuture.com/search/pitches)

Or this

https://www.startjoin.com/projects/discover/newest (https://www.startjoin.com/projects/discover/newest)

What exactly is the scam mr. scambuster?

14 backers betting $500K isn't really assuring or any indication of interest.  It probably just means the inner circle of Startcoin, which includes multi-millionaires like Russel Brand, are investing into their own project and get to keep their money.

As for that guy who is saying 1000% ROI in 6 months - that just looks downright like another Max Coin / PayCoin.

i am now upgrading this coin from scam to professional scam

my scam rating;
scam
scam+
scam++

many of these crowdfunding go into who pocket? you're right. what a disgracing bastard
this coin have a rating of scam++

That was tranche 2 which has just opened, this was tranche 1 with 700 backers:
http://s24.postimg.org/8xgu6oyz9/BC2_2.png

The 1000% ROI was on stock in StartJOIN, now Startcoin Holdings, which is a UK company.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08624882 (http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08624882)

Lol, its reassuring that at least it is professional. I don't find it very professional from you though to not even have looked at these extremely basic things when it comes to the the Start ecosystem before you call it a scam. You are so busted.

the only thing we can do now is wait and see, by then all your btc are gone and there is no law to recoup it back ;D

Startcoin mentioned in last Keiser Report: 20-30-40 million market cap..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV37SXWrkVA&list=PLPszygYHA9K1GpAv3ZKpNFoEvKaY2QFH_ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV37SXWrkVA&list=PLPszygYHA9K1GpAv3ZKpNFoEvKaY2QFH_)

BTC is yesterdays money ;)

@benthach
not quite.. I was talking about main stream adoption. Max coin and all others including Bitcoin itself has not achieved that.
You guys are clueless but sure have an awful lot of opinions, but you all fail at seeing step one: the painfully obvious.

Why do you think Bitcoin rocketed up to over $1,000 a coin ?
Because it *seemed like main stream adoption was picking up and it was getting to be a household name etc etc.
BUT !
It ground to a halt and went in severe decline with masses of people abandoning the crypto scene.

My town had the 2nd BTC ATM in the world (First being Vancouver Canada)
The store front location was closed loooong ago.. get it yet ?

You guys spewing bs about Altcoins fail hard at reality.
Your first goal is to reach parity with Bitcoin itself in all metrics of success.
You need to get your favorite Altcoin to at least be a failure like Bitcoin is, then surpass it LOL
None of you have in any way in the slightest come close to reaching Bitcoins level ..not even close !
And you proclaim this and that coin is going to be great but you can't even compete with a failure currency called Bitcoin.. truly hilarious LOL

I was just talking to a random guy the other day and he heard of the name Bitcoin
and all he had heard about it was it was something to do with buying crack and AK47's and ordering Hits on people.
other than that he had NO CLUE what so ever what it is.
He was surprised I told him I made money with it.. his first thought was what middle man for murders ? selling meth ?
I was like no.. it can be traded on exchanges like on the US Stock Exchange and... used as a currency with retailers.
He had no idea of any of that at all !
And he sure as hell isn't the only one either.. anyone I talk to I get the same comprehension level of what Bitcoin etc is and what it's used for.
And that is Bitcoin itself captain Popular the household name in the scene.

Here we are year after year after year after year and you guys STILL DON'T get it !


Startcoin / Max Coin exchange program anyone ? Good idea ? hahahha

BOOM

most of the 'big boys' stay silent, Karl Gray is giving very clear signs exactly what he sees

KG owns at least same number of btc as winklevoss, imagine if they came out like this about an altcoin. you'd all be doing somersalts to buy

Karl Gray bought 100k btc in the early days, he owns million of ltc and other investments, so is fair game to assume he has added substantially to his btc holdings

Max Keiser is one of most prominent financial journalists and presenters in world.
he probably educated and guided a fair chunk of btc users to this very forum from the early days
he too owns it's estimates tens of k of btc

he is also one of the good guys, they both are determined to change the course of politics and finance and the corrupt system, he pretty much dedicates his professional and home life to it.

top 500 richlist btc https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.140

on top of all that they/we are manages to do a lot of social good. what other alt can claim this? none

https://www.startjoin.com/

a dedicated platform that accepts startcoin along with fiat and btc

everything integrated. including interest and rewards that come from premine. there is also karma score

millions of startcoin have bene given in rewards to in 100 blocks on each card to visitors to russell brand cafe, charities, individuals, people have bought as rewards, etc

go discover projects past and present that have been funded
https://www.startjoin.com/projects/discover

business startups, charities, arts, crafts, eco products etc

then after getting legup as they cant get funded from banks, they get crowdfunded from users, if really successful they can go to banktothefuture.com and get an ipo, vc funding etc. buyers get shares

a complete ecosystem

becuase there are so many real scammers in altcoin market, and coins, people are literally blinded to be able to see a dimaond when they see it.

of course there are trolls, jealous users etc, but this is still ground floor, marketcap is tiny of what it should be and will be

if litecoin had 5% of this ecosystem and news it would have shot up 500%

as it is it's insane to think litecoin is 120 million marketcap on nothing lets face it. litecoin just got bullshitted it was going on gox daily for years. that's it! and first main alt

start marketcap is 2.5 million or something

work out what will happen. last time I try and help out genuine people who may be visiting thread. you will thank me. the more the merrier bringing about real change. guess what you can profit too! more to give back too

That's because Bitcoin is an industry of scammers and snake oil salesman.   A lot of the people who are looking to flip equity will use every lie possible for the swindle.  Like bragging their Bitcoin business has millions of users but what they really mean are addresses (addresses =/= people) and the vast majority are empty!

http://media.bizj.us/view/img/3873531/cartman-south-park-twitter-ubjjpg-large*304xx846-564-50-0.png

The Federal Reserve released a PDF back in October 2014 which said Bitcoin only had 100,000 unique users.   Likewise - both Alexa Rank and Google Trends indicates that fewer people are searching for Bitcoin on search engines and the websites are steadily losing traffic as well.  There is no indication, as of this moment, that Bitcoin is actually growing (not that it had ever grown much in the first place.  100,000 over 6 years?  If Bitcoin was a company it would had closed shop a long time ago.   100,000 is nothing for the internet.  There's YouTubers who can get 100,000 views in of couple hours).


Another lie is "Bitcoin is like the 1990s internet", "Bitcoin is like the Yahoo or MySpace of cryptocurrency".  Don't get me started on either.  There was 130 million people on the internet in the late 1990s.  Even Yahoo in its' first year has more users than Bitcoin does in its' 6th year.   ::)   Even Alta Vista had millions of users!   ::)


Bitcoin simply doesn't exist.  In fact, it's capitalization and userbase is still smaller than the estimations for the defunct eGold.  Bitcoin caught all the attention and hype because it made some random people overnight millionaires and the media loves those kind of stories.  Of course how many of those people can we actually identify or get a picture of?  Well that's the problematic thing, we can't get many photos of them and we can't even be certain of whether they were truly random people or inner circles of Satoshi.




Did you know Tumblr got 75,000 users in 12 days?  Bitcoin is only 100,000 after 6 years... *laugh*

Winklevoss and others already did come out on a number of alternates.   AppleByte comes to mind and there were others.  Guess what those coins went nowhere.

lol the bagholders coming out of wood and dream big on a shit coin! dream on..

Thanks, you are doing a great job at bringing more start to the market (I think). Serious shortage at these prices already.

I seriously doubt that START will be anything more than a mid level coin. They really don't bring anything to the table that's really innovative and it's not a very popular coin.

it's a copy/paste wallet scam coin, no innovation, just like paycoin v.2 but a little shittier

http://s1.postimg.org/al64iz3lr/MK_21.png

In the meantime, while waiting for organised startcoin mine to be funded and set up, Bitcoin Capital will be mining Bitcoin on Iceland, and some of us will use the dividends to buy startcoin.

@TaunSew
Well said !
You sound like your looking at things in a realistic way.
And I learned some stuff from your comments too  :)

Not trying to kiss ass either I think way back there was stuff we don't agree on
and we are split on some issues such as certain popular coins or distrib methods etc
but we are still apart of the same community as a whole. (I don't expect us all to be on the same page all the time)

One thing that bugs me is StartCoin is a bad name as far as I am concerned. (for the general public not into crypto stuff)
A bad name can and does pigeon hole a currency right from the start.. doomed to failure from the beginning.

But that leads me to my next and last point..
Currency or Stock (Digital Token etc)
You may be able to make some money on this coin or others but is that what you consider a coin a success ?
I think to some of you that is enough.

I find it hard to believe StartCoin or 90% of these other ones are going to get mass public adoption.. ever !
And I think myself with out that the "currency" is a failure (regardless of how much money you made)
Don't forget if a coin got minor adoption such as AUR getting to $14 each on cryptsy way back
then imagine what would happen if one of these coin got adoption on the same scale as the amount of people who use Facebook.
We're talking peanuts and chump change vs making HUGE amounts of money.

StartCoin guys I criticized 'it' but good luck LOL

@Spoetnik

I don't share your opinion that the name of StartCOIN is bad, because it contains the essence of what the coin is for. It's for starting things, funding things, making them valuable. It's not constricted to any particular  topic other than that, unlike many other coins. And again, the technicalities of coin itself is not important. StartCOIN is only important because of the ecosystem around it, and the backing it has.

StartCOIN may or may not get mass adoption, but it has a light-year head start compared with any other coin except maybe Bitcoin. It has now a massive financial-, infrastructure-, PR- and team competence -backing that no other coin can measure up to. I'm StartIng to think that Start will be the Microsoft of crypto. When the ecosystem is built a bit further it will cover the same things as bitcoin does, and a fair bit of things bitcoin does not do.

There are better examples of worse name.

Ethereum.  "Th" pronunciation is difficult to pronounce by non-english speakers and something so simple may actually put off a lot of people from it.

Counter Party.  60% of the hash in crypto is Chinese and you went with the name that could be construed as being anti-government in China and a lot of countries.  Also evokes images of hipsters fist pumping in the air.

Startcoin "Start" is fine if it's only something used on an  crowd funding platform.  Now if you're saying I can stumble into a Starbucks and the barista will tell me I can pay in "7.42 starts", then you have a valid point on it being a terrible name.   :D

 

Startcoin is a brilliant name.
Startups, starting out.
many of the commenters are clearly not native English speakers anyway  ;)

http://s13.postimg.org/5hiak181z/rsz_kg.png

My opinion is Startcoin has not a good name, it seems to borrowed from the Windows-XP StartButton.

Its just not good for the mainstream, and ether for niche markets.
Who is the target audience? I mean tak this example.

Seller: I sell you an object/service for 100 Us-Dollar
Seller: I sell you an object/service for 100 Euro
Seller: I sell you an object/service for 100 Bitcoin
Seller: I sell you an object/service for 100 START

lol see how curious this look like?

it is a scam coin, no innovation and stupid name. there are many hypes around this coin right now which mean the dump about to happen soon, just don't get caught holding these scammers panty

'Meganet': Kim Dotcom plans crowdfunded replacement to internet (Ft. Max Keiser)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fVl06phBGg&feature=youtu.be

http://s18.postimg.org/r58g0jb4p/SH1.png

https://t.co/OmX4sVrVGj (https://t.co/OmX4sVrVGj) (2h 45 min recording from the event)

Watch from 1hr 33mins on

Startcoin showing mussels today. Mussels will only grow larger when properly exercised.

Max Keiser and George Galloway announces blockchain based budget for London if they get elected. http://mayorschain.com/  (http://mayorschain.com/)

http://s27.postimg.org/h07y54ws3/MC_01.png

i don't see what all the fuss is all about around this coin.
it is just another copy coin, with all the same pump and dump patterns.
but it has bigger hype surrounding it which means bigger pumps and bigger dumps.

read the last bunch of comments then look at the pic TaunSew posted guys..
Get it ?
I doubt it LOL

I seen the SouthPark episode so yeah I got it right away. (the Kickstarter Parody)

The parody episode I swear was inspired by the crypto coin phenomena by the shows writers too
I kept seeing parts of that show when I thought the shows writers had to be referencing altcoins LOL

@pooya87
I have to agree, I don't see much else it has going on that is tangible or unique etc.
it smells like a Max Coin repeat..

Start coin sounds kind of complicated and carries a little drama with it. I guess I don't understand why litecoin isn't a viable option. Anywho, you can learn more at www.litecoin.com.

There is nothing wrong with Litecoin, but I don't think it has that little something extra to become a true leader. It really comes down to what the whales will do since it has such a high market cap compared to most altcoins.

At least one whale, maybe the biggest of them all, has clearly stated his intention with StartCOIN, just as he did with Litecoin back in the days (I think late 2013). He might be worth listening to.

Besides, StartCOIN is not so complicated - just take a look at the brand new startcoin.com (http://startcoin.com)

To show what I mean about Litecoin-Startcoin:

Back then:
Nov 21 2013 Litecoin about 6 dollars - Karl Gray is into it, goes to Max Keiser on Keiser report - https://youtu.be/V8_HT8zfc78?t=1473 (https://youtu.be/V8_HT8zfc78?t=1473) - This leads to price of Litecoin Nov 28 2013 of about 48 dollars - Max also announces that Karl has accumulated more than 100000 Bitcoin

Now: Karl Gray announces 20 million StartCOIN fund (that's similar to 80 000 bitcoin at current prices) https://youtu.be/FkOEvx2-13E?t=5582 (https://youtu.be/FkOEvx2-13E?t=5582) - and that he actually believes StartCOIN will be as big as bitcoin

I love the fact of over 500 coins out there. Most have the same attributes, but None have the team players that are jumping into Startcoin/join community.The very fact that people worldwide are building infrastructure that is amazing.Finally pros that looked at hustory and said shit we will do that but way better. Bravo Ducky1,karl,Max,Simon,Stacy,Startjoin and all.

Still with the tunnel vision I see..
I keep harping on this to deaf ears LOL

A handful of pumpers and manipulators that loiter around here and a few other crypto related places is not going to amount to anything.

What do I keep harping on ? THE WORLD
not this small subset of crypto currency enthusiasts like me that are into this sort of thing.
with out major general public adoption all these coins are doomed to go no where.
and no I am not impressed by market cap data like I said earlier.. premine 50% of the coins then buy some and proclaim
it's the greatest thing ever.. meanwhile I can do that by myself and a bit of Bitcoin etc
that illusion your harping on incessantly here Ducky is a joke and you know it.
does coinmarketcap.com have an asterisk beside the coin name ?

I think the Max Coin crew (or some of them from before) want to do a repeat of MAX's launch etc.
and their manipulative pump and dump on the scene where they made a ton of money.
problem is your not going to get away with it twice and user activity in crypto has died of for ages now.
AND we all got smarter too !

And "we" don't even matter.. when I said I don't like the name I meant for the consumption of the general public.
as in would Start Coin be good for my grand parents (new to crypto stuff) etc

It all comes down to the whales ? ohh really ? LOL
good luck with that..

if you sucker every crypto-fanatic into buying StartCoin with their life savings it still won't amount to much.
compared to if another "coin" comes along that has something truly meaningful & tangible to offer
it could sweep the scene as fast as lightning over taking all market caps combined..
we're talking peanuts and chump change vs LOTS of money/profit potential.
and that is why I have kept coming here all this time..
because anytime a new "coin" could be put out that takes the scene, THEN the world by storm.
and I keep coming by to see if it's happened yet.
But at this point I am wondering if it's going to be a Github hosted open source "coin"
Or a professionally handled "currency" started and run by a large group such as Microsoft or some other heavy weight.

I haven't said anything new here I repeat myself like a broken record year after year..
and many of you keep picking another noun and tacking the word "coin" on the title and doing the Github dance LOL
Come to Bitcointalk.. spew bs.. get some market manipulation going on and proclaim its a success..
until it's forgotten soon after (when the small guys are drained dry of their cash)

Ask yourself why should there be more "coins" put out when there is already at least 7,000 of them ?
We needed 1 more Ducky ?
Why because it has a vaguely famous financial backer and a large market cap ?

I fully understand the temptation of Karl and/or anyone else of swapping from altcoin to altcoin with "network of dedicated backers" etc etc.. pumping and dumping. It makes perfect sense.

But if an altcoin comes around that is actually not just another pump and dump, I think it should first and foremost concentrate on one thing: demonstrating how it is different to bitcoin, and secondly how important that difference is.

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

All the negative statements about this coin might have some truth to them.
But compare it's market cap ($5.000.000) to other altcoins that do not have the same support and no other advantages as well:

Dogecoin    $ 19.000.000
BitShares   $ 16.500.000
Dash         $ 16,300.000   
Stellar       $ 15,600.000   
Nxt           $ 12,500.000
Peercoin     $ 10,900.000

With the current support you can expect the value of StartCOIN to hit about $15.000.000 or more within the next months.
So it will be about 0,6$ / StartCOIN, even if it's a pump&dump.

I think this opportunity has some decent risk&reward ratio. I bought some coins after the little dip today.

http://s23.postimg.org/92uxqdycb/scam.png

but everyone else saying startcoin is just a scam pump and dump. lol

I understand about the premining being suspicious, but i've been looking at this very closely and it seems they are using the premined coins to give back to the people that support crowdfunding projects (which is a noble thing). The coins they give away can then be used to be put back into the crowdfunding platform to support more projects.

You can't compare this with any other altcoin out there because the business model around it is self-sustaining because crowdfunding is HUGE. I didn't really understand until i did a lot of research and heard Max Keiser say the premining and future mining is "quantatative easing for the people." I can't see how anybody can be against that really.  :)

Desperate people do desperate things.

https://runluaurun.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/missed-train.jpg

(that said it does not mean I have any idea if Startcoin is going to correct a bit or continue to climb)

Tell them they should buy some startcoin and fund one of these projects: https://www.startjoin.com/projects/discover/Community  ;D

If this is a scam we might all just commit mass-suicide because that would mean the world is completely screwed...

PS: This is a coin you have to open your mind for a bit and not just look at graphs and read other people's opinion.  ;)

yea desperate people do desperate things like scam people penny at a time. lol

Can you back up your claim please that this is a scam?

I just look at the facts and i see people in Africa, Haiti and all over the world are being helped using Startcoins. Care to ellaborate where the scam part comes in? Or are you just a cynical person and that's it?  ;)

premined

give some premined then sell premined to dumb investors in millions and donating a few hundred dollar to africa and haiti then make everything look good and legit

Please don't feed the trolls. He is driven by ignorance and jealousy.

dumb bagholders going nut! lol

don't ever fall for scam premined coin.
paycoin #2

Why do you think I'm one of just a few people posting here? Because the others are out there in the rest of the world doing more important things like building the infrastructure. Its still way, way to complicated for ordinary people, they see no use for it, and I don't blame them. That's why it's important to build an infrastructure that actually is better than the one existing. I think StartJoin and BnkToTheFuture have come along way in that process in a very short time. The investment platforms are up and running now, and doing a good job at fetching money from ordinary investors for crypto related projects like shapeshift, bitcoin capital and more. That's  the first thing a new economy needs, investments. Then comes the utility, in the form of ATM's and point of sales infrastructure like Bitpay and Startpay. These are being worked on now after getting investments from the startjoin platform. Then there is marketing - currently mostly done on social networks, and on RT, I don't know yet how that will develop. Market cap of the coin should, and will develop as these developments continue. The reason for the sharp rise now is (in my opinion) that it has been very undervalued, and it still is.


No, we don't want a repeat of Maxcoin launch, and you may be pleased to hear that Startcoin launched a year ago, and has already developed for a year.



When they can do their economic activity easier and cheaper with startcoin than with fiat. Still a long way to go.




Yes, for Litecoin price it does. And for Startcoin too at the moment. What we call whales are early investors, and any new business need investors to get started.




The banks are already experimenting with coins themselves. How that will pan out is still to early to say. I hope they don't succeed of course since these parasites should be put out of business once and for all.


Because of the premine. Its central to the business model. Without a premine you can't have things like interest rate, rewards, free coin cards and so on. I'm also starting to sound like a broken record.

Especially ignorance it seems  ;D

Ducky Dont lower yourself they are only trying to drive the price down so they can get in as well, ignore them and they will go back into their holes.

Just received my 2nd BTC Dividend in 24hrs from my Startcoin investment in BTTF think i might buy some more of this scamcoin  :-)

Me too, and some startcoin has already been bought. This may be a first for a coin. Most people mine altcoins to buy bitcoin, we mine bitcoin to buy startcoin.

Not bad for a scamcoin dont you think Ducky?

Not bad at all.  :)

I'm treating this like every other coin that went 10x+ in a short time, keeping a barge pole between it and me. All the others had reasons it was going to become the #1 alt, and I suppose it's possible Startcoin could do it, but when in doubt I always go with the odds.

http://s23.postimg.org/92uxqdycb/scam.png

lol  ;D

the premined coins ARE the market cap.

giving back ? mmmmhhhhhmmmm riiiiiight

hand out 20 coins here and there to a bunch of guys and sit on MILLIONS for yourself (ripe for dumping)

I think this topic is full of deceitful shills or morons begging to be a victim.

"quantatative easing" ?
dumb.. Bernanke tried to pull that crap to band aid the housing crash.. what an idiot.
the US Fed reserve is a train wreck of stupidity.. like most guys here.
quantatative easing + future mining ?
wtf is that shit ? I don't think he knows what that even means.
and yeah I sure as hell do.. but I do my homework unlike Lemmings.
I *could go on a 80 page rampage about the American economy and how it's screwed and just in the eye of the Housing bubble storm. (led by morons)
But why bother ?

Too many people are greedy and want lambo's and mad leet profits.. might as well let them do what they want right ?
I am not getting trapped in these spiders webs.. no thanks LOL

ohhh la la Market Cap data I am sooo impressed  ::)

Question: If I bought StartCoins at $0.04 and they are now $0.13 what is my loss?

How much have I been scammed?

Spoetnik
Trust: -4: -2 / +0
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!


Yeah man, you should post yer 80 page "screed" and see how much traction you get with that. School us morons who've never heard the words "Economy" and "Bubble". You sound like those drones on FreeRepublic who when faced with an article on BitCoins can only respond with "Tulips!"

keep it longer and your $0.13 would be down to $0.00001
can you see the math?

Are you a member there? If so, are they lightening up now?

"I think [Litecoin] is about 16-18 months behind [Bitcoin]."

Pretty remarkable foresight. I hope he's right!

And don't get me wrong ducky, I love Russell Brand and believe he has profound insight into the socio-economical disparity which persists in our system. Specifically, that we (America) ARE living in a communist structure where the middle class is being dissolved. That is communism, an oligarchy, where the top .1% dwarf the middle class contribution. It has been empirically proven that Communism DOES. NOT. WORK!

I say blessed be the journey for Startcoin, no bullshit. We're all in this together, and we certainly can't do it alone Here's to positive energy for a better tomorrow.

NLC.

+2

http://imgur.com/gvXOn5h

I keep checking this topic to see if anything tangible is going to come up with the currency..
so far it seems hollow / shallow.
I hear a proclamation about Market Data and babble about celebs of sorts being involved.
which I think amounts to a store employee telling me to buy XYZ product.
and when I ask why ? I am told because it's cheap.
that is all I am hearing here..

prove me wrong and I will wish this project success.
like give me and everyone else something to sink our teeth into.
why should StartCoin be a successful "currency" *later ?
because of some yammering about profits ?

and guy you say you made how much at $0.04 ?
and you say you acquired profit ?
let me ask you did you cash out yet ?
no ? how long are you going to sit on those coins ? get it ?

and my Trust Rating.. mmmmhhhmmm nice retort I get that once a week.. how creative (do you think you made up that retort ?)
News Flash: Any registered member here can go and post any rating and comments they want ..they are not verified.
I have reminded some guys about this before but leaving them some bad ratings and that sure shut guys up in hurry LOL
hmmm... how's your rating looking Mr. Mad Scientist ?
craving some feedback smart ass ? ..just say the word  8)

Looks like I've found yer soft spot.

"News Flash: Any registered member here can go and post any rating and comments they want". Including YOU!

Oh noes! Don't neg me! That'll make the price of StartCoin drop! HerpaDurrr!

SpunkNick, you could "neg" me everyday for the rest of yer life and I wouldn't care. I could lose this account and I wouldn't care, I'd just lurk anyway.

Karl Gray..who is Karl Gray. I can't find anything about him in google. How is he mega whale?

could this be trap?

that's funny because to me it sounds like he sees startcoin as threat to bitcoin...in that case it could be good thing for startcoin because it's getting more visibility

So, this topic is not the place to look for news - use twitter like everybody else.

Some accounts to follow:

https://twitter.com/StartJOIN

https://twitter.com/StartHLDGS

https://twitter.com/jamiescottuk

https://twitter.com/start_coin

https://twitter.com/StartCoinNews

https://twitter.com/maxkeiser

https://twitter.com/SimonDixonTwitt

https://twitter.com/paradimeshift

https://twitter.com/BTC_Capital

https://twitter.com/BankToTheFuture

https://twitter.com/stacyherbert

https://twitter.com/SimonStartJOIN

https://twitter.com/alexcrypto

https://twitter.com/PRICEACTIONCRYP

Im on vacation now, and will only check in from time to time

I'm not being funny but are some people completely stupid?
are you able to use google, twitter, youtube search functions or the search here?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1086320.0

twitter:  @paradimeshift

he present seminars, bitcoin conferences
etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIR8VVZAUFE

he produced the documentary 'life on bitcoin'

google it

he bought 100k bitcoin when ten cents each

that's more than the winklevoss own.
he has probably more than doubled that as he is a huge litecoin investor, early days and continues to make lots from that

he is a very public bitcoin figure
loads of keiser report interviews

https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/619123689469157376

@StartHLDGS has given away $1.2 mn. in 12 mo's - and we're looking to raise that to $6.3 mn. over next 12

https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/620523103295275008

https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/620517801695035392

https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/620516759527886848

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What's going on with START?

Why would one use StartCoin instead than Bitcoin for crowdfunding?
Like with anything else: why one would use any altcoin instead than Bitcoins?
Money is a SYMBOL. If we all agree to use this symbol (Bitcoin) then that's everything we need.
All other symbols are just redundancy if they don't offer anything technologically different... and even then, if nobody implement other altcoins to be accepted by the shops, those altcoins value is... nothing.

Due its owners you cannot implement bitcoin into country money system ( gow. never allow this becouse of spread of coins - there are such owners who own 2-3% bitcoins - this way these owners would own 2-3% country value).

It may be due to my limited understanding of english, but I can't get what you wrote.
If tomorrow KICKSTARTER would add Bitcoin option, what would be wrong about that?
Why should they add StartCoin instead?

https://startcoin.co/news/startcoin-david-versus-banking-goliath/

StartCOIN David versus Banking Goliath + $20 million startcoin fund

Karl Gray article

Interesting article, should mean good things to come.

Why StartCoin? Why now?

http://s2.postimg.org/yx8ex96x5/KG25.png
(https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/629734099213791232 (https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/629734099213791232))

http://www.paradimeshift.org/2015/08/why-startcoin-why-now.html (http://www.paradimeshift.org/2015/08/why-startcoin-why-now.html)

why is the price down?

Short term variations does not matter, and a low price is better than a high price for anyone buying.

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We will see soon enough. As usual things take longer time than anticipated. I have to date almost never experienced a situation where this is not true. (I work with scientists daily, so I have experience)

https://twitter.com/JohnStartcoin/status/629972183616520192

In advance of Startcoin being listed on a Chinese exchange, over the next 36hrs will be giving away some of these on Startjoin and Startpeeps, they are the same as those to be distributed in China apart from being in English .

https://i.imgur.com/tcOhDi0.jpg

reveael PRYPTO code?

sorry if I missed someting, would you explain term @prypto" ?

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https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/632559809632555008

I've read this whole thread and the various links provided and it's still not clear to me why would someone would use StartCoin over Bitcoin or develop for the Start ecosystem over the Bitcoin one (or even Ethereum for that matter)?

because it gives opportunity to make money, what else should drive anything in economy?

This scamcoin has no future.. max keiser is known as a person to abandon his projects and start another one and startcoin will be no exeption. Soon he will leave the project.

I encourage everyone to check max keisers history.. he is a pump and dump scammer involved with the quark and maxcoin scam this startcoin is the same..now the op is bumping this shit thread why lies to trick people buying this scam. Don't fall for it.

Thats makes no sense what you are saying. ???
Let me help you. ;D

Max Keiser is not the creator of Quark or Maxcoin.
He had a person on his show that told about Quark, he also had people on his show talk about Bitcoin, Gold and Silver so your point is?
Regarding Maxcoin it is a coin he did not created but he did gave the devs a thumbs up but was in no way involved with development etc.

Startcoin however is his brainchild and he and Simon Dixon who is in charge of Bank tot the Future activly promote Startcoin and the Startjoin platform/BNKtotheFuture.
Also On the Startjoin and Bank to the Future platform you are able to pay with Bitcoin so your point is?

https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/633274127625748480

Buy in now

https://twitter.com/OConnorRoger/status/633322441796796416

gtfo, all yall care..even the devs is getting people to buy this worthless startcoins. all scammers just like max keiser

listen to KhalDrago if you want to stay poor. START can go only up now. We are at the floor and there is huge interest by real people outside of BTT with means, to make this succses.

This isn't really true. It was pumped up to around $0.20 and then dragged downward. That rise was easy because there was nothing there to buy up to stop it flying, now there are many positions all the way up to that and beyond... including some of my own.

People keep mixing up Start coin with Bank to the future, thinking that Start coin is actually backed with the assets that Simon Dixon's site has invested in, yet that's not the case. You can use Start to invest in the pitches on Dixon's site, true, but you could do that with BTC anyway. Start coin is just an alt coin that has a wallet, website, a chat client and a payment system with it which is then known as 'Start coin holdings'.

Two years ago I think it would have been right for its time, but now it has so much competition.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be over the moon if it goes above $0.20 again, because then I can sell and run back to Bitcoin.

this coin reminds me to quark..they claimed aswell big names..but after a while they abandoned the wporthless project..same will happen to this coin u will see

I disagree.

1. If there will be good reason for price to rise, sellers will remove or move their positions higher. It is always like that.
2. Which altcoin can provide more means to go mainstream?
3. Which altcoin have richer ecosystem, connections in real world, celebrities supporting it, etc.?
4. Chinese money are not counted in yet.
5. Starfund is not active yet.
6. Also it will be the only alt accepted by Kim dotcom and Im sure Meganet will be huge thing, all over media.

Your criticism can be applied to all altcoins. Objectively, there is more reasons for START to go high in next months than go down.

see, I would never invest in maxcoin, captain newbie.

Hmm, maybe my (general) criticism could be applied to all alt coins, but not the specific points I made in relation to start coin holdings. In fact, I don't regard all alt coins equally. I'm concerned with their utility which I think in the long term results in worth... not always the case of course.

Your first point is a good one. Your second point can be argued depending on subjective interpretation as to what is needed for an alt coin to go mainstream, and I'm not even sure how to quantify 'mainstream'.

As far as I've seen with celebrities supporting Start, it's Max and Russel Brand... and that's it. Better than nothing of course. But you should know they are only really focused in the UK, a country that takes forever to adopt tech wise what most normal US citizens are already doing five years previous.

Chinese money isn't counted in yet? What Chinese money, and how do you know it's not? There isn't any 'Chinese can't have it yet' thing going on with Start. They can get start on the exchanges outside of China just like everyone else.

Starfund? Or you mean Startjoin? Because if you mean startjoin it's been active for a while now.

As to Kimdotcom, is he even doing that site anymore after getting raided by a joint US & New Zealand task force?

I'd love for you to be right though, but I can't see it.

On the other hand, Dixon's 'bank to the future' is excellent and well worth investing with.

karl just wants to dump his start bags and that's why he promotes start

You just want to see things darker I cant help with that.
I meant startFUND, not startjoin.
Meganet is not site, its new decentralized internet that will operate using crypto.
Chinese people have language barrier, they dont speak english, they need mandarin version in order that Chinese potential is fullfiled.
Also Dixon is going to China to promote it. In fact his company is based there, START is gonna focus on China.

I know exactly how he feels. Really I do.

I'm wondering how much anyone thinks Start will be a year after Mr. Whale on Twitter said 'Watch out for Start coin it will be huge this time next year' (or words to that effect.)

I think he said it around July 4th 2015, or somewhere close to that.

What price is 'huge' on July 4th 2016?

I'd say at least $1, that's not huge, but also I don't think it's achievable for Start in that time frame.

Trust me, Chinese people can read English pretty well, much better than they can speak it, and definitely well enough to sign up for Bittrex and follow the shiny start symbol and read the numbers and then buy. It's not really 'words' heavy. Dixons company is based in Hong Kong which is quite different from mainland China, in law and practice.

Please understand, I've invested in Bank to the future's pitches, I've even invested a little in Start coin holdings. So if anyone should be waving the Start coin flag, it should be me.

In any case, I'll certainly try not to see things darker in the future. :)

Let me help you guys!  :D

How to choose an altcoin:

1. The devs or creator must not be anonymous
2. The coin must have a ecosystem in where in can be used.
3. The coin must have a good strong and active community
4. The devs or creator and the community must show development (tech, expending ecosystem etc)
5. The coin must be undervalued.

Well looks to me Startcoin applies to all 5 points.

Some good discussion going on here. Karl Gray btw said this:

https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240 (https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240)

So you have to wait until June 9 - 2017

who the fck is carl grey..max probably tricked him and gave him worthless startcoins and now they guy is stuck with the bag and is trying to promote his bag but doesn't know he has been suckered in by max the scam keiser..this project will fail watch how this guy and max abandone the project and move on to the next. this whole thing reminds me to max and bill still with quark..wont go anywhere.

Guys don't waste you time with KhalDrago, he is a major Litecoin bagholder.
He bought Litecoins way above market price and still holds them with a big loss.
There is only 1 true altcoin for him and that is Litecoin no matter what you say he is not open to reason and logic.

If he is a Litecoin bagholder he should surely know who Karl Gray is? For you KhalDrago: https://youtu.be/V8_HT8zfc78?t=741 (https://youtu.be/V8_HT8zfc78?t=741) (litecoin mentioned near the end)