StartCoin to become largest altcoin within 24 months (Karl Gray - Mega whale)

[Ducky1]

To show what I mean about Litecoin-Startcoin:

Back then:
Nov 21 2013 Litecoin about 6 dollars - Karl Gray is into it, goes to Max Keiser on Keiser report - https://youtu.be/V8_HT8zfc78?t=1473 - This leads to price of Litecoin Nov 28 2013 of about 48 dollars - Max also announces that Karl has accumulated more than 100000 Bitcoin

Now: Karl Gray announces 20 million StartCOIN fund (that's similar to 80 000 bitcoin at current prices) https://youtu.be/FkOEvx2-13E?t=5582 - and that he actually believes StartCOIN will be as big as bitcoin

[dogecoinshop]

I love the fact of over 500 coins out there. Most have the same attributes, but None have the team players that are jumping into Startcoin/join community.The very fact that people worldwide are building infrastructure that is amazing.Finally pros that looked at hustory and said shit we will do that but way better. Bravo Ducky1,karl,Max,Simon,Stacy,Startjoin and all.

[Spoetnik]

Start coin sounds kind of complicated and carries a little drama with it. I guess I don't understand why litecoin isn't a viable option. Anywho, you can learn more at www.litecoin.com.

There is nothing wrong with Litecoin, but I don't think it has that little something extra to become a true leader. It really comes down to what the whales will do since it has such a high market cap compared to most altcoins.

At least one whale, maybe the biggest of them all, has clearly stated his intention with StartCOIN, just as he did with Litecoin back in the days (I think late 2013). He might be worth listening to.

Besides, StartCOIN is not so complicated - just take a look at the brand new startcoin.com

Still with the tunnel vision I see..
I keep harping on this to deaf ears LOL

A handful of pumpers and manipulators that loiter around here and a few other crypto related places is not going to amount to anything.

What do I keep harping on ? THE WORLD
not this small subset of crypto currency enthusiasts like me that are into this sort of thing.
with out major general public adoption all these coins are doomed to go no where.
and no I am not impressed by market cap data like I said earlier.. premine 50% of the coins then buy some and proclaim
it's the greatest thing ever.. meanwhile I can do that by myself and a bit of Bitcoin etc
that illusion your harping on incessantly here Ducky is a joke and you know it.
does coinmarketcap.com have an asterisk beside the coin name ?

I think the Max Coin crew (or some of them from before) want to do a repeat of MAX's launch etc.
and their manipulative pump and dump on the scene where they made a ton of money.
problem is your not going to get away with it twice and user activity in crypto has died of for ages now.
AND we all got smarter too !

And "we" don't even matter.. when I said I don't like the name I meant for the consumption of the general public.
as in would Start Coin be good for my grand parents (new to crypto stuff) etc

It all comes down to the whales ? ohh really ? LOL
good luck with that..

if you sucker every crypto-fanatic into buying StartCoin with their life savings it still won't amount to much.
compared to if another "coin" comes along that has something truly meaningful & tangible to offer
it could sweep the scene as fast as lightning over taking all market caps combined..
we're talking peanuts and chump change vs LOTS of money/profit potential.
and that is why I have kept coming here all this time..
because anytime a new "coin" could be put out that takes the scene, THEN the world by storm.
and I keep coming by to see if it's happened yet.
But at this point I am wondering if it's going to be a Github hosted open source "coin"
Or a professionally handled "currency" started and run by a large group such as Microsoft or some other heavy weight.

I haven't said anything new here I repeat myself like a broken record year after year..
and many of you keep picking another noun and tacking the word "coin" on the title and doing the Github dance LOL
Come to Bitcointalk.. spew bs.. get some market manipulation going on and proclaim its a success..
until it's forgotten soon after (when the small guys are drained dry of their cash)

Ask yourself why should there be more "coins" put out when there is already at least 7,000 of them ?
We needed 1 more Ducky ?
Why because it has a vaguely famous financial backer and a large market cap ?

[ransomer]

I fully understand the temptation of Karl and/or anyone else of swapping from altcoin to altcoin with "network of dedicated backers" etc etc.. pumping and dumping. It makes perfect sense.

But if an altcoin comes around that is actually not just another pump and dump, I think it should first and foremost concentrate on one thing: demonstrating how it is different to bitcoin, and secondly how important that difference is.

[jnada]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

[OrangeP]

All the negative statements about this coin might have some truth to them.
But compare it's market cap ($5.000.000) to other altcoins that do not have the same support and no other advantages as well:

Dogecoin    $ 19.000.000
BitShares   $ 16.500.000
Dash         $ 16,300.000   
Stellar       $ 15,600.000   
Nxt           $ 12,500.000
Peercoin     $ 10,900.000

With the current support you can expect the value of StartCOIN to hit about $15.000.000 or more within the next months.
So it will be about 0,6$ / StartCOIN, even if it's a pump&dump.

I think this opportunity has some decent risk&reward ratio. I bought some coins after the little dip today.

[benthach]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

but everyone else saying startcoin is just a scam pump and dump. lol

[JensS]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

I understand about the premining being suspicious, but i've been looking at this very closely and it seems they are using the premined coins to give back to the people that support crowdfunding projects (which is a noble thing). The coins they give away can then be used to be put back into the crowdfunding platform to support more projects.

You can't compare this with any other altcoin out there because the business model around it is self-sustaining because crowdfunding is HUGE. I didn't really understand until i did a lot of research and heard Max Keiser say the premining and future mining is "quantatative easing for the people." I can't see how anybody can be against that really.  

[Ducky1]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

but everyone else saying startcoin is just a scam pump and dump. lol

Desperate people do desperate things.



(that said it does not mean I have any idea if Startcoin is going to correct a bit or continue to climb)

[JensS]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

but everyone else saying startcoin is just a scam pump and dump. lol

Tell them they should buy some startcoin and fund one of these projects: https://www.startjoin.com/projects/discover/Community  

If this is a scam we might all just commit mass-suicide because that would mean the world is completely screwed...

PS: This is a coin you have to open your mind for a bit and not just look at graphs and read other people's opinion.  

[benthach]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

but everyone else saying startcoin is just a scam pump and dump. lol

Desperate people do desperate things.



(that said it does not mean I have any idea if Startcoin is going to correct a bit or continue to climb)

yea desperate people do desperate things like scam people penny at a time. lol

[JensS]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

but everyone else saying startcoin is just a scam pump and dump. lol

Desperate people do desperate things.



(that said it does not mean I have any idea if Startcoin is going to correct a bit or continue to climb)

yea desperate people do desperate things like scam people penny at a time. lol

Can you back up your claim please that this is a scam?

I just look at the facts and i see people in Africa, Haiti and all over the world are being helped using Startcoins. Care to ellaborate where the scam part comes in? Or are you just a cynical person and that's it? 

[benthach]

This is what he has to say



https://twitter.com/paradimeshift/status/608305297774346240

Karl Gray is known to have had more than 100 000 bitcoin in the past (maybe he still has), he helped make Litecoin valuable, and he is setting up a $50 million fund for the Start ecosystem. Startcoin is valued at $1.5 million now. Do you see the opportunity?

yes I can clearly see trough my visionary glasses opportunity for Karl Gray & Co.

let me explain my feelings more clearly in one sentence: Never go for 50% premined coin at least at the beginning stage[unless you are dealer], better wait till it drops 100-1000 times and them maybe throw few satoshis in it.

but everyone else saying startcoin is just a scam pump and dump. lol

Desperate people do desperate things.



(that said it does not mean I have any idea if Startcoin is going to correct a bit or continue to climb)

yea desperate people do desperate things like scam people penny at a time. lol

Can you back up your claim please that this is a scam?

I just look at the facts and i see people in Africa, Haiti and all over the world are being helped using Startcoins. Care to ellaborate where the scam part comes in? Or are you just a cynical person and that's it?  

premined

give some premined then sell premined to dumb investors in millions and donating a few hundred dollar to africa and haiti then make everything look good and legit

[limbaugh]

premined

give some premined then sell premined to dumb investors in millions and donating a few hundred dollar to africa and haiti then make everything look good and legit

Please don't feed the trolls. He is driven by ignorance and jealousy.

[benthach]

dumb bagholders going nut! lol

don't ever fall for scam premined coin.
paycoin #2

[Ducky1]

Start coin sounds kind of complicated and carries a little drama with it. I guess I don't understand why litecoin isn't a viable option. Anywho, you can learn more at www.litecoin.com.

There is nothing wrong with Litecoin, but I don't think it has that little something extra to become a true leader. It really comes down to what the whales will do since it has such a high market cap compared to most altcoins.

At least one whale, maybe the biggest of them all, has clearly stated his intention with StartCOIN, just as he did with Litecoin back in the days (I think late 2013). He might be worth listening to.

Besides, StartCOIN is not so complicated - just take a look at the brand new startcoin.com

Still with the tunnel vision I see..
I keep harping on this to deaf ears LOL

A handful of pumpers and manipulators that loiter around here and a few other crypto related places is not going to amount to anything.

What do I keep harping on ? THE WORLD
not this small subset of crypto currency enthusiasts like me that are into this sort of thing.
with out major general public adoption all these coins are doomed to go no where.
and no I am not impressed by market cap data like I said earlier.. premine 50% of the coins then buy some and proclaim
it's the greatest thing ever.. meanwhile I can do that by myself and a bit of Bitcoin etc
that illusion your harping on incessantly here Ducky is a joke and you know it.
does coinmarketcap.com have an asterisk beside the coin name ?

Why do you think I'm one of just a few people posting here? Because the others are out there in the rest of the world doing more important things like building the infrastructure. Its still way, way to complicated for ordinary people, they see no use for it, and I don't blame them. That's why it's important to build an infrastructure that actually is better than the one existing. I think StartJoin and BnkToTheFuture have come along way in that process in a very short time. The investment platforms are up and running now, and doing a good job at fetching money from ordinary investors for crypto related projects like shapeshift, bitcoin capital and more. That's  the first thing a new economy needs, investments. Then comes the utility, in the form of ATM's and point of sales infrastructure like Bitpay and Startpay. These are being worked on now after getting investments from the startjoin platform. Then there is marketing - currently mostly done on social networks, and on RT, I don't know yet how that will develop. Market cap of the coin should, and will develop as these developments continue. The reason for the sharp rise now is (in my opinion) that it has been very undervalued, and it still is.

I think the Max Coin crew (or some of them from before) want to do a repeat of MAX's launch etc.
and their manipulative pump and dump on the scene where they made a ton of money.
problem is your not going to get away with it twice and user activity in crypto has died of for ages now.
AND we all got smarter too !

No, we don't want a repeat of Maxcoin launch, and you may be pleased to hear that Startcoin launched a year ago, and has already developed for a year.

And "we" don't even matter.. when I said I don't like the name I meant for the consumption of the general public.
as in would Start Coin be good for my grand parents (new to crypto stuff) etc

When they can do their economic activity easier and cheaper with startcoin than with fiat. Still a long way to go.

It all comes down to the whales ? ohh really ? LOL
good luck with that..

Yes, for Litecoin price it does. And for Startcoin too at the moment. What we call whales are early investors, and any new business need investors to get started.

if you sucker every crypto-fanatic into buying StartCoin with their life savings it still won't amount to much.
compared to if another "coin" comes along that has something truly meaningful & tangible to offer
it could sweep the scene as fast as lightning over taking all market caps combined..
we're talking peanuts and chump change vs LOTS of money/profit potential.
and that is why I have kept coming here all this time..
because anytime a new "coin" could be put out that takes the scene, THEN the world by storm.
and I keep coming by to see if it's happened yet.
But at this point I am wondering if it's going to be a Github hosted open source "coin"
Or a professionally handled "currency" started and run by a large group such as Microsoft or some other heavy weight.

The banks are already experimenting with coins themselves. How that will pan out is still to early to say. I hope they don't succeed of course since these parasites should be put out of business once and for all.

Ask yourself why should there be more "coins" put out when there is already at least 7,000 of them ?
We needed 1 more Ducky ?
Why because it has a vaguely famous financial backer and a large market cap ?

Because of the premine. Its central to the business model. Without a premine you can't have things like interest rate, rewards, free coin cards and so on. I'm also starting to sound like a broken record.

[JensS]

premined

give some premined then sell premined to dumb investors in millions and donating a few hundred dollar to africa and haiti then make everything look good and legit

Please don't feed the trolls. He is driven by ignorance and jealousy.

Especially ignorance it seems  

[johnp]

Ducky Dont lower yourself they are only trying to drive the price down so they can get in as well, ignore them and they will go back into their holes.

[johnp]

Just received my 2nd BTC Dividend in 24hrs from my Startcoin investment in BTTF think i might buy some more of this scamcoin  :-)

[Ducky1]

Just received my 2nd BTC Dividend in 24hrs from my Startcoin investment in BTTF think i might buy some more of this scamcoin 

Me too, and some startcoin has already been bought. This may be a first for a coin. Most people mine altcoins to buy bitcoin, we mine bitcoin to buy startcoin.