Bitcoin Forum

http://blog.glbse.com/shutdown-update (http://blog.glbse.com/shutdown-update)

For those waiting for balance payments of more than 1-20 BTC being confirmed:

I received over 341 BTC in 3 payments for my 3 subaccounts

These are all rounded up to the .1 BTC from what I tracked. In the case of the 327.80 BTC, I was actually expecting 313.38 BTC. There was 14 BTC extra. Some sales/dividends probably have occurred between my last tracking and GLBSE closed.

Here's a table of claims. Note that all rounding, extra/less than expected claims are based on memory and orders might have been filled before GLBSE closed. Some people seem to have been paid 90% twice.

USER	|AMOUNT	|TAX	|RECEIVED(RETURNED)
Namworld (BTC-BOND)	|327.80	|67da2dd49dd7a7e81099756246b95c33d855cece5c19a4e4a3de0d6441fbb369 (https://blockchain.info/tx/67da2dd49dd7a7e81099756246b95c33d855cece5c19a4e4a3de0d6441fbb369)	|Rounded Up/Extra
Namworld (BTC-MINING)	|11.60	|6f6435591fc8628a757b4700fa60e050a04c2dc101e9f433b51c9708ba732ea5 (https://blockchain.info/tx/6f6435591fc8628a757b4700fa60e050a04c2dc101e9f433b51c9708ba732ea5)	|Rounded Up
Namworld (KRAKEN)	|3.80	|3825092b294f3681b4fff65745230310835f7002ec37691cd6e7d8a312046c65 (https://blockchain.info/tx/3825092b294f3681b4fff65745230310835f7002ec37691cd6e7d8a312046c65)	|Rounded Up
DeaDTerra (GSDPT)	|139.6090989	|a086ad011a8d0b8f07ba2afd313c89cf208600f365827cd252d8dcd4c3ad3e89 (https://blockchain.info/tx/a086ad011a8d0b8f07ba2afd313c89cf208600f365827cd252d8dcd4c3ad3e89)	|
DeaDTerra (GIPPT)	|421.0833744	|f05343d3b7c64164d94431071e654312bbea5447aec9981bcafca792ea5d433e (https://blockchain.info/tx/f05343d3b7c64164d94431071e654312bbea5447aec9981bcafca792ea5d433e)	|
DeaDTerra (GBF)	|55.7246187	|826546b1f3844ea8b5b93b22ef0e872cdc6ece8e30d2d3888b12f8fd58dadf81 (https://blockchain.info/tx/826546b1f3844ea8b5b93b22ef0e872cdc6ece8e30d2d3888b12f8fd58dadf81)	|
Naelr	|0.8	|	|Round Up
dishwara	|3.5694225	|2db43ccb048c7d008d5fcb43a60bacd9a207fbdd7514b03741da0a32bda7b90b (https://blockchain.info/tx/2db43ccb048c7d008d5fcb43a60bacd9a207fbdd7514b03741da0a32bda7b90b)	|2x90%(sentback90%)
k3t3r	|29.56	|03e2d1bba63ee2924b72c8e4c19e42b7195cd89fc1fa79cdbd9a3070038251d1 (https://blockchain.info/tx/03e2d1bba63ee2924b72c8e4c19e42b7195cd89fc1fa79cdbd9a3070038251d1)	|No Rounding/Less
DutchBrat	|0.3	|d011471253c62b762bcf3e70a3ff12d249804ccaf202173cdb65c9c7edfe8c70 (https://blockchain.info/tx/d011471253c62b762bcf3e70a3ff12d249804ccaf202173cdb65c9c7edfe8c70)	|
SebastianJu	|0.6	|38a82210856e8afe0c274bd6df72d218b584a6fbc6b44b05346023bafccfa090 (https://blockchain.info/tx/38a82210856e8afe0c274bd6df72d218b584a6fbc6b44b05346023bafccfa090)	|Rounded Down
Rygon	|27.3368493	|3538b5d2d711adde1e44f3a869b4a43f7a3dc66d187875d92072d8cb1ffa36ec (https://blockchain.info/tx/3538b5d2d711adde1e44f3a869b4a43f7a3dc66d187875d92072d8cb1ffa36ec)	|90%
REF	|???	|	|
Kingfihserb90	|???	|	|90%
001sonkit	|3.1253859	|bab930202d42fb4f0c273efedfab1d6243fd5d12b70996f97b8724825bacfa52 (https://blockchain.info/tx/bab930202d42fb4f0c273efedfab1d6243fd5d12b70996f97b8724825bacfa52)	|90%
TradeFortress	|???	|	|90%
tsakf	|0.0472158	|8baca9b5adcf898018c3d26d364ed96e00522269187d16ee0c49f448c0f22c97 (https://blockchain.info/tx/8baca9b5adcf898018c3d26d364ed96e00522269187d16ee0c49f448c0f22c97)	|90%
jbreher	|???	|	|
Akka	|2x27.4446081	|fc9db369506ad8d272cf9b25c121b472a4414a56467804a9329ccf29dd9de29b (https://blockchain.info/tx/fc9db369506ad8d272cf9b25c121b472a4414a56467804a9329ccf29dd9de29b)	|2x90%(sentback90%)
Sturmvogel	|41	|	|
Smoovious	|0.0635004	|8f6bf91ad5c54bcd09a4da66aac8d93f0aa71717795f1097acfe9077aa855b77 (https://blockchain.info/tx/8f6bf91ad5c54bcd09a4da66aac8d93f0aa71717795f1097acfe9077aa855b77)	|90%
iddo	|~44	|	|2x90%
dishwara	|3.5694225	|2db43ccb048c7d008d5fcb43a60bacd9a207fbdd7514b03741da0a32bda7b90b (https://blockchain.info/tx/2db43ccb048c7d008d5fcb43a60bacd9a207fbdd7514b03741da0a32bda7b90b)	|2x90%
2GOOD	|2.1011	|	|90%
Transisto	|17	|	|
stepkrav	|2.3256387	|45fbad7f8c651212a0ce4847773751cade7fcbfcf1d246c808c97d3f7bdfb658 (https://blockchain.info/tx/45fbad7f8c651212a0ce4847773751cade7fcbfcf1d246c808c97d3f7bdfb658)	|90%
RHA	|31.0500648	|c1c3372e1bedd22afd5c55c381840ea2ef697fc44528a50da10291e04907d75b (https://blockchain.info/tx/c1c3372e1bedd22afd5c55c381840ea2ef697fc44528a50da10291e04907d75b)	|2x90%(sentback80%)
Yogafan00000	|???	|	|2x90%
PsychoticBoy	|3.8	|61c8f6be4373580a03d750466177a4c2ae1212886b211e85188ce6aaaef4a130 (https://blockchain.info/tx/61c8f6be4373580a03d750466177a4c2ae1212886b211e85188ce6aaaef4a130)	|
PsychoticBoy	|3.6	|53f3d11dff7683581c355611fb04658a075e8a9a2d43019b695cd889a8501a05 (https://blockchain.info/tx/53f3d11dff7683581c355611fb04658a075e8a9a2d43019b695cd889a8501a05)	|
conspirosphere.tk	|0.4196025	|c08067c0d047f2e5dab7d9ededb83262bf014d549dc9d2b36eb104a91b08a8d6 (https://blockchain.info/tx/c08067c0d047f2e5dab7d9ededb83262bf014d549dc9d2b36eb104a91b08a8d6)	|
zefir	|0.525663	|fcd8bd94d42a96a5365bac507fbe472ebc99ad0f554ba6ab984b3ba4e4d6d315 (https://blockchain.info/tx/fcd8bd94d42a96a5365bac507fbe472ebc99ad0f554ba6ab984b3ba4e4d6d315)	|2x90%(sentback90%)
zefir	|245.1776202	|a2c1e1a3d67f796a87c454e113d3f2c2d32a42a9b31aab522c15455cf2ec8b0b (https://blockchain.info/tx/a2c1e1a3d67f796a87c454e113d3f2c2d32a42a9b31aab522c15455cf2ec8b0b)	|2x90%(sentback90%)
Decent Relish	|4.5200781	|d03aabb8f622c26caf599f8472c11eb87e4e9ed015772d0e6706974fde92c3f4 (https://blockchain.info/tx/d03aabb8f622c26caf599f8472c11eb87e4e9ed015772d0e6706974fde92c3f4)	|2x90%(sentback90%)
jasonharty24	|0.1	|5a6173601eb02ab7b858c97391473c5597a3327cd57ccf8cf6b9444e824d13f5 (https://blockchain.info/tx/5a6173601eb02ab7b858c97391473c5597a3327cd57ccf8cf6b9444e824d13f5)	|Rounded Up
Bogart	|50.00	|4a5feb42d53649159a6eb182853af0e576935cad9c27eeacab4580c2ea8afdf1 (https://blockchain.info/tx/4a5feb42d53649159a6eb182853af0e576935cad9c27eeacab4580c2ea8afdf1)	|100%
	|	|	|
	|	|	|
	|	|	|
	|	|	|
	|	|	|
	|	|	|
	|	|	|

I dont understand how you got dividends considering the site has been inaccessible. Seems like yet more incompetence than anything else.

Sales/dividends between the last time I checked my balance and the time it went offline.

I just received 0.8 BTC I guess they rounded up because I only had 0.77 in my account at the time they shut down.

Yeah they seem to be rounded up to the next 0.1 BTC for everyone that claimed payments so far around the forum/#bitcoin-otc. Guess that makes a few free bitcents for each GLBSE user.

Edited the main post.

What does that prove?
If I want to claim I've received some funds I can just lookup any transaction in the blockchain and post it here.

I don't know myself, but many insist on having it.

I've just submitted my claim 10 mins ago. Waiting for it to be processed.

Looks like a chain to me.

1J7iu7Zg6KPUcp8gPBeV2vuXknwgNn9LZN

Sends to:
18CoGAeLJzwG3iLkBj1vARYDWW7eC7qUQ1 327.8 BTC

1G8ssT1NLVRf5Sf8g8uz4QPUzSFxurU6bX 3,368.077 BTC
Sends to:

18CoGAeLJzwG3iLkBj1vARYDWW7eC7qUQ1 3.8 BTC

1CAzvKFiFcGFEvRjTCGcjjoZMR4BCnkjpn 3,364.2765 BTC ( 3368.077 - 3.8 )
Sends to:

1KCd9zZHYuo6PQAT7vCSXXrtob8VGcvkMm 4.9 BTC

1DpGZdaVKCNuESSWEg2yokmi8DuPYShk2v 3,359.376 BTC ( 3364.2765 - 4.9 )
Sends to:
... and so on

Looks like this is the main stash

http://blockchain.info/address/1AYY5pmP8a3i8eMzJgAFKGq9ZTybYnGQrU

and a total of 5443BTC paid out in that first round.  Starting with this address:
http://blockchain.info/address/19ZQjwkHxn2BZpDLGZv6pmfGWQYpqkLvAL

I gave this address to glbse 19vEHZLujAq93v4tzEqVMvbWfhawB8xYh2, so far none.

The transaction is going to be compared with others transactions to verify if it is legitimate or not. Moreover, it quite unlikely to users to produce claims of Bitcoins which they never received. The falsified claim does not entitle the user to receive any additional Bitcoins. There is no incentive to pretend that you received few Bitcoins from GLBSE.

My bitcoins is in the returned chain.  Also received the email:

I got this email 30 mins ago:

"Your GLBSE account has been partially processed. 90% of your funds have been returned to you with this payment. Once we recieve the remaining funds from our treasurer and secretary the final payment will be made and you will be informed. We will also inform you when we process your assets, allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuer."

I gave address 1Q6eEfU6KGAA2WncmyWYjJCXq7HXGunsis and am waiting for my payment.
Nothing yet on: http://blockchain.info/address/1Q6eEfU6KGAA2WncmyWYjJCXq7HXGunsis


Hmmm....

payment received in the last hour.

http://blockchain.info/tx/03e2d1bba63ee2924b72c8e4c19e42b7195cd89fc1fa79cdbd9a3070038251d1

I had a little over 30 BTC in my account but had a few buy and sell orders placed. I recieved a little under 30 BTC and with no rounding up or down. Possibly some of my buy orders went through reducing my balance before the site closed.

You should check the GLBSE trade history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117491.msg1260596#msg1260596).  If you are able to remember what your bids and asks were at you might be able to confirm the account you should receive back.

thanks, I will look through this and see what went through in the last day of trading.
Shouldnt be too hard, there was only a few assest that i was intersted in.

Anyone able to post the time they got the payment on the way email compared to when it showed up in the block chain?
Mine has been over an hour and nothing yet, so I am looking for other data points.

Funny thing is, I had 2 GLBSE accounts.... the account where I actually had some BTC I got refunded d011471253c62b762bcf3e70a3ff12d249804ccaf202173cdb65c9c7edfe8c70 but did not receive an email yet, the account where I had no BTC I received this email on.

At least things are moving ahead

I received the BTC Date: 13/10/2012 23:50 but no email yet

I just hope I did not screw up my email address....  ???

I got a payment of 0.6BTC. The thing is i had an offer open to buy 6 asicminer shares for 0.1btc each. And i had btc of 0.6xxxxxxxbtc. So i think they rounded... but to my loss. Its very unlikely that only one asicminershare for 0.1 btc has been sold to me.

So you guys with rounded up btc be happy... im not about this rounding. Its not much that i lost of course but its a principal. I didnt say yes to let them take something from me.

I wondered if they use an excelsheet and dont get the idea that the 1 afterdot digit is rounded and that there are more than one.

The start of the payments went out at  2012-10-13 20:04:08
a160acaadf440c9a3786dd849fd3c1a548e157a22a6d8e81b955cb68e052a95f  (http://blockchain.info/tx/a160acaadf440c9a3786dd849fd3c1a548e157a22a6d8e81b955cb68e052a95f)

Just follow the chain to see many get paid.

I did not receive an email until 10 hours later.

Maybe this thread should be for ppl to list their unpaid claims.

Got this email:

Your GLBSE account has been partially processed. 90% of your funds have been returned to you with this payment. Once we recieve (yes, GLBSE doesn't even know how to spell receive) the remaining funds from our treasurer and secretary the final payment will be made and you will be informed. We will also inform you when we process your assets, allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuer.

Also @Namworld, what will happen to my share of BTC-MINING?

I would be happy to get anything at all from the site  :D

Thats because Nefario is blackmailing the partners into paying him a wage for september.

It seems he is only blackmailing you bitcoin.me as you are the only one willing take responsibility for being a partner of BitcoinGlobal.  Although I am sure others are working behind the scenes to try to get everything taken care of, there has been no other person, not even Nefario, that will publicly accept responsibility.

I would wait until the asset issuers get a list of record before doing anything.  That is where the bulk of the value GLBSE holds.

Well hopefully they keep working this through and get a list of asset holders sent out. GLBSE removed AML requirements so anyone can login and give their BTC address. Will be much safer than claim codes and holders will be able to sign with their BTC address when making requests (buy/selling back assets, getting them traded on another platform or anything else)

Well done, Stochastic. I can confirm that as well. The funds are coming from a payment chain.


That is accurate. I confirmed with the main address taint analysis the address used in the payment chain:

http://blockchain.info/taint/19ZQjwkHxn2BZpDLGZv6pmfGWQYpqkLvAL?reversed=true


This are address present in the transactions indicated by Namworld (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1270908#msg1270908), Bogart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg1270459#msg1270459) and jarsumarsu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg1271073#msg1271073).

I still have nothing  :o

What would be the reason to pay in a chain rather than all at once?  To keep an eye on the payments just in case of a mistake?  When I follow the payment addresses through blockchain.info, it seems like each new payment is being sent from a new IP.

I still havent been paid out yet and I got that email this morning, any ideas as to why not?

Not sure. What payment address did you provide? Maybe your client is not yet synced with the newest blocks and as such doesn't show the transactions.

I hadn't run my own client for a while when GLBSE closed out and had to sync up. I hadn't realized my firewall was blocking Bitcoin-QT and I didn't notice the client wasn't syncing. When I realized it, I changed the firewall setting and sure enough, I had already been paid.

The address you gave might also have been wrong. Plenty of other reasons you might not see the payment. You might still have been paid.

I am running the 0.7.0 version of QT bitcoin client and have the most recent block as of 8 minutes ago.
I submitted  1Q6eEfU6KGAA2WncmyWYjJCXq7HXGunsis as my address which if you see here http://blockchain.info/address/1Q6eEfU6KGAA2WncmyWYjJCXq7HXGunsis
works perfectly fine. I disabled all firewalls and restarted the btc client and still nothing.
If the problem was with my client the payment would show up in the blockchain but it hasn't yet.

So do you have any other ideas of what I should try?

Nefario is probably trolling people.

Well, I'm puzzled. I heard many received the email hours after receiving their payments. Maybe it wasn't meant to be sent until everyone was paid out, but it accidentally got sent? I wouldn't be surprised by that either.

Received the same 90% payment email as posted above...

No payment received yet.

-- Smoov

For those getting the 90% emails, I think you should file a claim with the other partners of BitcoinGlobal.  The verified public partners besides Nefario are Theymos, bitcoin.me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117715.0), and ColdHardMetal.

Same email, no payment as of 20 minutes later.

Edit: Took about 8 hours, and I received the 90%, came from 1NN5FpxxWGLojfN5cMkKS8EhL7HETJsTr3 (for those of you keeping track of those things)

So how does this work if you had shares?

I think, like bitcoin.me said in some post, that those shares like the remaining 10% payments are being held hostage so that the treasurer of BitcoinGlobal pays Nefario for his job as CEO.  He deserves it, right?

I got the 90% e-mail too, no payment received yet.

This is not funny  >:(

same 90% email. Its been 80minutes since i received it and no BTC.

I've got the email 2 hours ago - no bitcoins yet  ???

You still have them. Congratulations.

Like a slap in the face.

got email but no coins yet

Odd.  No email but coins for me.  I only had < 3 though.  Rest were shares.

got them now.

update, 90% of my coins showed up today.

finally get back my coin!
https://blockchain.info/tx/bab930202d42fb4f0c273efedfab1d6243fd5d12b70996f97b8724825bacfa52

3.1253859 BTC

What was the sending address?

I only got 90% - this is quite unacceptable. NYSE can't just take 10% of your money randomly.

http://blockchain.info/address/1Q6eEfU6KGAA2WncmyWYjJCXq7HXGunsis

Got the mail: "Your GLBSE account has been partially processed. 90% of your funds ..."

Coins recieved from address:

    1MHciu1SLh4HtEPym5R9GdXmbUnY49WBmK

   

I did not receive an email. But I received some coin. Was it all I had on deposit? I am unsure - I've not checked in a couple weeks to see what dividends have been rolling in. But it may plausibly be the amount I had on deposit at the end.

So here's another bitch I've not yet seen addressed - 'Why has GLBSE disabled our ability to pull a .csv of our entire account history'? I see this as a purely gratuitous irritant.

Still nothing :(

while I didn't have more than a few cents in there, I would certainly like to hear from GLBSE about assets they still hold of mine.

It took ~ 5hrs from email to partial refund for me.

Finally, something showed up in my wallet. What a relive.

I have received partial payout - 41 BTC.

no mail and no coins until now

Status: 45 confirmations
Date: 10/15/2012 20:28 EDT
From: unknown
To: 1EPqCwxdw45Jzvh1D1bfF29xNwHFtStKD8 (own address, label: GLBSE)
Credit: 0.0635004 BTC
Net amount: +0.0635004 BTC
Transaction ID: 8f6bf91ad5c54bcd09a4da66aac8d93f0aa71717795f1097acfe9077aa855b77


Thought I had more, but very possible a buy order hit before it closed.

So far so good.

-- Smoov

+1

Received this email some 12+ hours ago, but still no BTC arrived on my wallet.

no-reply@glbse.com
15/10/2012 9:46 PM

Your GLBSE account has been processed for bitcoin. The next step will be to send you information about your assets, and to provide this information to issuers (if you agreed) allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuers.

http://blockchain.info/address/1BMjJkPZu1dS4ePpomL418UyL92ovhR2z8 (http://blockchain.info/address/1BMjJkPZu1dS4ePpomL418UyL92ovhR2z8) shows no record of any transactions to the address provided by me.

Sent an email to support (at) glbse.com asking for info.
Why don't things just work out normally with me? Must be some karma issue...

Anyone had the same issue?

No news about assets, btw.

I received that 90% payment message yesterday, and approximately 5 hours after receiving the email the BTC indeed showed up on the blockchain (about 44 BTC).

I received email & also 3.5 BTC. I some what remember that i saw 3.9 BTC in my GLBSE account before closed. Not sure.


http://blockexplorer.com/address/19vEHZLujAq93v4tzEqVMvbWfhawB8xYh2

To whom wants to know sender address, its 1M4Su727K6WzLFTtLXgkp4v7EL6mUVJbyE

The sender address shows, it received more than 2500 BTC.
going back in the senders address shows, I don't know how to say properly, the BTC increases & it sends some BTC to another address & then sends remaining BTC's to another address & its happening continuously for every account.

I went back up to http://blockexplorer.com/address/1N2MbMgGBUBYKXtff457U3DKXvmXo1wcj6
& see 2597 BTC.

http://blockexplorer.com/address/13H7si7r2VsoaDcESxZnweH18H939ndgZL
I see 5000 & 3762 BTC, totally 8762 BTC.

Seems, it was designed to hide sender's address.

EDIT: I can go up to http://blockexplorer.com/address/19ZQjwkHxn2BZpDLGZv6pmfGWQYpqkLvAL only.
I don't want headache.

One thing sure, he sent bitcoins as he told me on google chat.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg1256002#msg1256002

So nef is sending 90% now until he gots the missing payment? But theymos claims he has send it to the paper wallet. So why isnt that paper wallet used to give back the remaining money?

I've not got an email.
Don't think I've got a payment either, it was only a small amount (few Btc), I rarely kept much BTC on GLBSE there doing nothing.
Not sure what address to expect it from either though.
I was on the process of selling shares, but still have about 80-100Btc worth of shares waiting to claim back and eventually sell.

I recieved part of the coins several hours after the "90%" email. In the account I had 2.3346.. the transaction is for 2.1011 or 90% of the original amount.

i got this:


and received no funds which means

a) they'se gone
b) my open orders for ASICMINER were filled before the fiasco and I now own ~20+BTC worth of shares (at the time, that's ~200+)

Same issue here, don't worry you aren't alone.

Pretty bad design, just follow the leader.

In the last chain I guessed that this was the main stash.  Had a total of ~12,000 coins before.
http://blockchain.info/address/1AYY5pmP8a3i8eMzJgAFKGq9ZTybYnGQrU

I received the same e-mail 20 hours ago and still no payment. Guess I'll just have to wait?

received 17btc, too round a number to be the correct amount.

Any ideas when we will get our remaining 10% ?

I got an email a few days ago, however, I have not been paid.

I really hate that nefario isnt communicating at all. I dont know what he thinks doing this. Its plain stupid to let the rumors spread while he could explain everything simply.

Is there a way to contact glbse?
Nefario have blocked all PMs. And the email that he sent out to me have a "do not reply" to this email clause.

How do I distinguish who sent me the coins? glbse or any of the asset issuers could have sent me the coins.
As the address I gave to GLBSE, they said they will forward those to asset issuers.
I have balance in GLBSE, and have shares on some assets. Now I am confused as to who paid me.

The address 1NN5FpxxWGLojfN5cMkKS8EhL7HETJsTr3 cited by the user Rygon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1274294#msg1274294) shows other user's address in the taint analysis (received):

http://blockchain.info/taint/1NN5FpxxWGLojfN5cMkKS8EhL7HETJsTr3


Both address were reported by the user tsakf (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1275168#msg1275168) and dishwara (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1275567#msg1275567).

The address 17QFCyrPhBui5CLpLez3sRcH2F4cf8xKrm cited by the user Smoovious (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1275433#msg1275433) shows another user's address in the taint analysis (received):

http://blockchain.info/taint/17QFCyrPhBui5CLpLez3sRcH2F4cf8xKrm

      
The above address was reported by the user DutchBrat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1272093#msg1272093).

Two days later. Still no email. The disturbing aspect of this is the apparent variability in procedure. It would suggest an opportunity for a mistake that may cost someone some coin.

How could you prove their claims? Do you have access to the real numbers of btc they had in the database?

Anyway... her is the transaction id: 38a82210856e8afe0c274bd6df72d218b584a6fbc6b44b05346023bafccfa090

I had some numbers behind the 6 so i think he took it as a fee without asking or rounded it. Unfortunately some got their amounts round up, some down. So i lost.

I didnt get an email at all.


The coins are from glbse because the issuers didnt get info till now.

If I may, I suggest a table be built and maintained in OP something like:

Username \t BTC expected \t BTC received \t Transaction ID(s)

It looks like the rest of the payments has started.
The chain begins from tx 286b4172160ba21c8129e08dd43a9567ea55973be6038a54f8f35c92d6d34d20 of 975.8160973 BTC.

However instead of be paid the missing 10%, I was paid once again the 90% of my coins (31.05 BTC):
The first payout (proper): c1c3372e1bedd22afd5c55c381840ea2ef697fc44528a50da10291e04907d75b
The second (duplicated): 5264a57d8eaf761d81f7fe4507fbc3e21d53ebeb1f0095424e8794a6e1b85711
Maybe there is some charity giving the coins away to people, but I bet it's simple human error in Nefario's scripts.
Let's hope the error is single.

I'll return the excess to Nefario, to let him to be able to refund others completely.
I have to ask him by PM for proper address for the return. It may take a while before he answers.

I followed the chain a little and saw several duplicate payments too. (I suggest Nef stop payments and double-check, before half of the people get double-up and the rest get nothing...)

Edit: Looks like all the payments made today were dupes of payments made on Tuesday  (an additional example: http://blockchain.info/address/12NcPjtX6wjYLfmsTYvuTdXYwZ91tE1GFw (http://blockchain.info/address/12NcPjtX6wjYLfmsTYvuTdXYwZ91tE1GFw)) - Nef could actually have accidentally spent 975 BTC of user funds! (Pity I didn't have BTC there, I could have got back double!!)

He blocked his PMs on bitcointalk.

I have recieved the double paiment, too.

I had hoped as first that I had more funds in there as I thought due to some of my sell orders went through, but now that I'm reading this.  :-[

I will return the funds of course, as soon as I hear from GLBSE.

Nefario has a mail address associated with my account.

If 100% was paid out initially, then those accounts could have been checked off instead of having to be paid again and none of the double payments could have occurred.

if he would have just left the site up, and suspended all trading, we could have just withdrew our own coin using the site's existing accounting/withdrawal system, and there would have been no problem at all.

now? he's got a clusterfuck...

love how people gotta keep making things harder on themselves...

-- Smoov

The double-payment chain seems to start here: http://blockchain.info/address/1NBtx9EiPKouwrnfCmPULbLSvxQctj11dA (http://blockchain.info/address/1NBtx9EiPKouwrnfCmPULbLSvxQctj11dA), that 1000BTC input was all spent in chained transactions made in about 10 minutes time.

Next you will see this email  ::):

Noted and done.

I too got double payment. Just checked.
If Nefario gives any address to send, i am ready to send back.

May be by mistake,he used the script, which already paid, to pay again.

I don't know fully what that picture says.
If its about smoking bitcoin, then so far atleast ~100 people said, they got bitcoins.
That means Nefrio didn't smoke bitcoins.

Or the picture has some other meaning?

Seems many who told received coins, didn't gave tx id or address.
maybe don't want to show publicly.

no, exactly that .
[rotfl]

Not quite the same script.
The main point of start is here: http://blockchain.info/address/13H7si7r2VsoaDcESxZnweH18H939ndgZL
There begins a chain of 5000 BTC and 3762 BTC.
The latter ends at: http://blockchain.info/address/12rebn6xb2VJt5YfMokUJvV4msdr7KohfG with amount of 1,058.54 BTC
It was used today to the 1000 BTC chain with duplicates of part of the payments from 3762 BTC chain, but in different order.

Sometimes the same address was used for supposedly different accounts,
for instance: http://blockchain.info/address/19mvuvS2VgCWDtfGpsLnJAPhBp2ZcWM3xQ
(two of its payments, 139+ and 421+ BTC, are not duplicated, but one, 55+ BTC, is).

BTW: Bitcoin was meant to be anonymous. ;)

I think the smoke could be a clue why the mistake occurred. ;)

Y'all got reverse-scammed!

So, for anyone reading this who has gotten a double payment, the return address is 1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j

It would be better to return the coins without me having to chase you for them.

When will the account list be released to the asset issuers?

+11111

Good to hear something at least from you nefario. You should have spoken way earlier instead letting rumours grow.

If you have time, could you please explain how you are processing payouts? I believe I was one of the very first people to submit the necessary info and I have yet to receive any deposits to the address I provided.

Thank you.

Notice how you have to beg yet Nefario demands repayment from his mistake.

I wonder why it is you who are still not being chased.
How about returning our properties? We are still not threatening like you. And we are waiting from some time.


Disgusting

You know, if you had kept in communication with people here...I would say they're morally obligated to. But since you just re-emerged after weeks of silence just to ask people to correct your fuck up, well...I don't give a shit if they return it or not.

I've returned the excess.

Fuck you, Nefario

one is definitely not enough...


https://i.imgur.com/oh4qA.jpg

is that the entire second payment you returned? Or did you return 8/9 of the double payment (so taking out the remaining and owed 10%)?

Lol epic fail.

I hope this isn't some sad attempt to cease paying overall.

Isn't it necessary to fill out some complicated, intrusive forms and submit copies of your ID to someone you barely know in some other country before waiting a few weeks to receive a refund? I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

No, that was forum members making things up as they went along.

Good luck chasing anyone when you have no idea who paid you back in the first place...

Okay, there was a screw up and a script seems to have been run twice. And yes, Nefario hasn't been communicative at all, at least not by mail/PM (and I'd be ready to bet he has thousands of emails by now each demanding their money.) And honestly, as soon as GLBSE was closed, I didn't expect much in term of communication with the ensuing flood. At least he's processing payments.

As for shares, I doubt the info will start getting sent before everyone has been paid. Why? You provided a payment address. If issuers knew your address, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between GLBSE's payment and issuer's payments. Which doesn't mean it's not going to be released soon. Hopefully everything will be processed within a few weeks.


That requirement was completely removed. You can log in to GLBSE and simply provide an email + BTC address.

As someone else brought up if Nefario had simply stopped deposits and disallowed trading it would have achieved the same result without the issue of double payments. I hope Nefario has some spare btc because I aint covering his screwup.

But he is communicating.  He wants the people who got paid double to return the overpayment.   ;)

A lot of people would be better off keeping the overpayment than being able to claim their now worthless shares/bonds from asset issuers so I wish him good luck with trying to get people to honour his request.

Nefario appears to have been taking customer relations lessons from Patrick Strateman.

Does anyone who refuses to pay back the overpayment get the scammer tag?

Nefario, you should start a thread with a list of those that refuse to help.

First post since Sept 26th!

post of the year

Stop spreading FUD nobody even believes you.  ::)

"I did my due diligence and checked before I posted a reply, therefor "

No they don't, there was a similar issue a while back. They might get on this list though. bitcoin-shitlist.com (http://bitcoin-shitlist.com)

So would we be right in assuming that no-one's going to authorise any salary payments to Nefario until this mess has been cleaned up and that the business will use its own remaining funds to top-up any shortfall if Nefario is unable to recover all the over-payments?

Nefario will now get paid when hell freezes over  :)

I dont think the amount bitcoinglobal has will cover Nefario's latest fuckup, even without paying him. Of course he will still demand it.....

Just read it.

Should I return the full double payment, or take my 10% out of it?

Wouldn't it be better, to mail everyone who has gotten a double payment with a different address, so you can keep track of returned funds and who will get the 10% remaining?

Or will everyone get them no matter if he returns them and you just hope all people are honest (which the aren't).

I will return the funds, but I don't want to make you clusterfuck even worse (all returns in one address, some minus 10%, some full), so please send out a mail to all accounts with details.

Thank you.

How much did people get double paid?

Of course not, Nefario can say he sent x bitcoins to user Y and user Y can say they never received X bitcoins.  Who is everyone going to believe?

I hope this is enough to get BitcoinGlobal to fire Nefario from the CEO position.

I received an email on the 15th that 90% of my funds have been returned. As of today I've yet to receive anything.

Lol. Without the threat (hypothetically, I didn't actually get paid, certainly not twice) I'd return them, but if he's going to be 'chasing' people I would use his coins to cover defense costs (running shoes?) since you are about as likely to get 'chased' if you pay or not, he doesn't know who sends coins to that address.

They didn't link you to transaction info? ::)

In addition, you can't be sure that all double paid users read this thread, but you have the mail address of every user.

And again, I'm not sure if I should return all, or if that was supposed to be the 10% payout and I should only return 8/9 of it.

Also, I'm think that probably not all users will return the double payment and on how this whole closing process is working out, I really fear that it will end in something like:

"As double payments have not been returned, I will now keep the Stock information of those accounts until the funds have been returned."

This resulting in me to have to deal with proofing that I have returned the funds, even if I have currently no way to contact you but through this forum, which you seem to rarely check.

So please clarify and provide an easy Way to keep track of who returned the funds. (Like single Address for each account)

Each account has it's own GLBSE deposit address by the way. Why not use this one?

No. Did they for others?

Its not that hard to find who has returned & who hasn't.

He has receivers or members bitcoin address.
Just have to compare it with their GLBSE account, if he sent 90% or 180%.
If its 180%, then i assume he will force them to repay by not returning the assets they have in their GLBSE account.

His only reply after ~20+ days, shows some what aggressive & commanding, instead of requesting or asking or begging.

Since he so far didn't repay any asset issuers their bitcoin, & his commanding reply, shows he has some plans.
Maybe he will just transfer all shares & bonds to LEGAL exchange (Bitcoinglobal).
Coz already, most of the asset issuers identity is known, they cant runaway from government to hide their money, if they do anything illegal in respect to assets they issued.

So for asset issuers, the choice will be transfer all the assets in to new LEGAL exchange & continue business or default assets or get back assets.
Asset issuers cant default, coz it will affect their reputation & future.
Also, getting back assets, will affect their reputation & future business & they loose bitcoins (thats why, he didn't repay them).

So, no good/other way, but go in Nefario's way.

I don't know what you meant by this. Only after the forum outrage and legal threats, those intrusive requirements were removed. You had to submit a mugshot of yourself holding a piece of paper, along with your ID and proof of residence before that.


It only takes a couple of people to send odd amounts to make matching impossible. One could always claim they sent my 90% in pieces.

He has time & our money. Until, he convinced that they returned, he can hold assets & their dividends.
Or just take the bitcoins from dividends.

Probably some evil and convoluted one,like everything he's doing.  But to me, it shows one of the biggest A-holes I've seen in the last years.

I don't think he has evil plans.
But he has/had plans which is evil for governments.

Bitcoin itself is evil plan to governments, but it's good plan to anti governments.

+1, should I return all or just everything above 100%? Double payment was sent to my offline wallet and it will take me some time to return them. At least a mail should be sent, not everyone is reading forums. This is a major fuck-up. Geez.
BTW, before sending coins, Nefario should have sent account information to everyone (number of bitcoins in account + number of shares holding of each asset + csv of account transactions).

Maybe he had, now he hasn't.

I'm convinced that what he's doing is not only a result of him trying to avoid prosecution, but also trying to keep the platform in his control. He is working for his own "positive" gain at the cost of the immense losses we are suffering.

Think of it this way. We could have easily managed to continue business without GLBSE, but he has intentionally and actively prevented us from being able to do so. He has planned this sabotage of all businesses on the exchange, and probably will use the information he's holding hostage to coerce the asset issuers to submit to his plan, whatever it is.

This is the most extreme betrayal of trust we have witnessed so far, it's almost a statement against the people with anti-government sentiment forcing us to "face the reality", that we cannot do business that depends on mutual trust without the helping hand of the State.


You have the right to 100%, so I guess the excess should be returned.

Nefario could have easily sent a digitally signed account info to everyone on day one, which would result in us continuing to move on with our lives with minimal impact. So I don't expect him to do it now or ever. He can't not resolve the issue either. He will most likely use the leverage he has to force issuers into cooperating with his further demands.

I thought so too. I mean who could blame the guys that got double payment and have shares at glbse when they kept the double payment until they get their shares detail? They didnt get the shares so they could keep the btc hostage. At least nefario cant blame them... he gave the example for such behaviour.
The wonderful thing is, like Namworld is saying... nef wont give out the share details until all btc are paid back. I hope i didnt give this argument when writing this as a guess. Because of course there are ways to do both.
They could tell the issuer to not pay until all glbsemoney is sent. Or when they send an email anyway and are doing all with a script they could send an email to the receiver and tell them how much they sent. So i dont think i will let it count when they dont want to start sending out sharedetails because of the reason the receiver doesnt know then who the sender is.


So when that is how the glbse-shareholders think and nefario has the right at the money then he will fight this out on the glbse-users back right?
I think even ceos in free economic get their salary when they run a business into ground. And there is no law that says that they have to pay for their errors. So i think its important how the contract looks.
Anyway... nef hurt the wallet of glbse-shareholders and when he fight this out on the back of the glbse-users... who will ever work with him again showing such disrespect to partners and customers?


Maybe thats his thought so that people are forced to work with him again. But then he wrote in the article that it needs a million $ crowdfunded to create such a platform legally. So this will never happen. There will be no new platform and such plan cant go into realitzation. Luckily. Because what would it be for a businessrelation when the parttaker are forced to it and doesnt trust the ceo at all. That cant live for long of course.
So i dont fear this possibility.

If I were based in the UK, I would have already contacted a lawyer and/or the police to try to move the violent arm of the Law against him with full force. (*) There is a limit on how much one can scam, steal and cause general mayhem with impunity even in the BTCsphere.

(*) But I do not discard the idea of doing it from where I am. Maybe some of like-minded GLBSE users may start to cooperate to try to force him to clear his mess now or face some legal consequence.

Yes, can't deny.
I have seen sometimes before also, that Bitcoin goes to centralized from decentralized & vice verse.
At least Nefario returning bitcoins & may open exchange again, instead of running away like pirateat40

I'll wait to see what kind of "solution" he'll come up with for the "problem" of sharing the data sitting in his computer. No need to further pursue the case if all the issuers I need to deal with are likely to agree. However, I'm willing fly to UK and file my complaint if there is a joint community action before that happens.

The problem is, there are issuers that are accused of being scammers, and Nefario's "solution" may very likely prevent us from pursuing those people and therefore help them get away with it. Since Nefario was acting as the broker, he is solely responsible for the communication between those issuers and shareholders. His responsibility still continues. He not only has to inform the issuer of my presence, he is required to give me signed proof of ownership.


I agree, but note that Pirate wasn't a prominent figure representing Bitcoin and he wasn't trying to be one. There are reasons we trusted Nefario, and he actively tried to convince us, on record, that what's currently happening was impossible.

Nefario has proven himself to be ridiculously incompetent, so it might be safer for people who received extra BTC to hold it until Nefario distributes all of the BTC he has and he releases the share info.


Yes. I never paid Nefario, and there's no way I'm going to pay him as long as BitcoinGlobal is in debt to users. And the remaining operating funds will be used to cover any debt to users. If most people who received extra BTC are honest and Nefario didn't spend any of the user funds (on lawyers or whatever), I think there should be enough money.

To get the bitcoin sitting unattached in your GLBSE account?

is Nefario sending his AML/KYC documentation to everyone he needs the double-send refund from?

*snicker*

but seriously, my heart weeps for this whole situation. :| :(

if there's any way I can help (doubt it, though) short of sending anyone my own funds, let me know.

I've had the BTC that was in my GLBSE account - which is not even 1% of the value (at the time of closure) of the assets I held on there  ::)

The money isn't Nefario's, either. I trust random recipients of the money more than I trust Nefario.

If anything the money should go to the paper wallet address untill things get sorted out.

No, he can't. Because his collecting AML docs as an unregistered finanical institution was illegal as well in most jurisdictions.

A few months ago I returned immediately much more than my double payment (0.40 BTC) to Flax and Chungenung, since they sent me BTC due to an error of them.
Now, though, returning these bitcents to nefario seems to me like call back a thieve who has already taken your wallet to give him your watch.
Moreover, I am quite sure that I had more than 0.7 BTC in my GLBSE account a couple of hours before the closing.

The fact that he is threatening instead of returning immediately my 140 BTC in assets just persuades me of what a scum he is, and I do not like to follow the orders of someone who just stolen my property.

BTW: at this moment 5 people obeyed nef. :
https://blockchain.info/address/1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j (https://blockchain.info/address/1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j)

I'd think Nefario's expecting the double payment in full and at this point has to trust everyone for their honesty.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No idea about that, but I don't think it was meant as a literal threat to chase you. Seems more like he meant it would be easier if people just returned it instead of him losing time and nagging everyone for the return of the BTC. Although without any voice tone, it's impossible to determinate. Poor communication there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

He DID repay asset issuers their Bitcoins.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for people suggesting to keep the overpayment as ransom until asset information is disclosed, I think that's exactly why asset information is not disclosed. He needs to process payments first before giving the address to issuers and issuers giving payments, otherwise it would get confusing if something is a payment from GLBSE or from an issuer.

I'd also think like Chaang that it's plain wrong to hold on to something you know is not yours. Even if by now no one trusts Nefario. It belongs to other persons. At least return the 80% extra and keep 100%, sending from the address you provided to GLBSE, so Nefario knows how much you personally sent back. So long as it's from the same address, he'll know.

As for that and others making such claims... plain wrong. Although I don't agree that the shares are now valueless, even if they were... you'd cut your loss by keeping other's balance and leaving others with nothing?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If someone accidentally sent you too much money on a bank account you "control", although it's been sent in your possession, a good thing to do would be to return them. Everyone can make errors and if you'd want someone to return the same should you make a similar mistake... simple courtesy, even if according to your convictions, any money handed to you automatically becomes yours. Yes, although laws would say it would not be yours, people might consider things differently, which doesn't mean they'd have to be jerks about it and not notify/give back the extra someone would have mistakenly handed to them.

We're all not happy about GLBSE closing down, but the vengeful approach taken by some for actions done by Nefario that are detrimental to other people that were on GLBSE is plain disgusting to me. Good to know who are taking a step on everyone and take the lifeboat for yourself approach when the ship is sinking.

(P.S. Before someone counters by saying I don't get to say what's right and wrong. Yes you're free to have your own opinion of right and wrong. Just stating mine.)

I recieved a double payment.  I have no problem with returning the excess. The Bitcoin culture needs more honesty and I'm willing to do my part. However, it's evident that whoever is in charge of the GLBSE winding down cannot be trusted to get it done correctly.

Therefore, before I send any coins, I want an official request emailed from the GLBSE website, not some posting by someone with a scammer tag on this forum.  (I only noticed I had been double paid because of this thread)

I also want to be able to retrieve details on all my transctions on the GLBSE site before it went dark.  The only way I'll be satisfied that my account has been settled is if I reconcile it myself.

Well that's more like it. Demanding your account history or personal data along with an official request is perfectly fine to me before returning the double payment.

I would be demanding my .csv and other details before giving the coins back  :)

Sorry but when you send someone money through wire and accidentally changed a number... you wont get back the money. You sent it and it wasnt stolen. Its moral to give it back but the bank wont charge it back or something. Only when its stolen.


What? Asset issuers got their bitcoins back? I think at least for asicminer, who hadnt a small amount there, its not true. Asicminer didnt get an answer at all from nef till now.

Regarding the asset information... its not correct to held these informations hostage. Im not guilty for not paying any fee to nef from my bitcoins(i didnt got all) and i cant do anything regarding the missing ceo-payment. So no, its not correct what he is doing here.

By the way... its not necessary that nef cant give out the asset infos as long as he didnt paid out all btc because he can send an email stating what he paid. So there shouldnt be a misunderstanding. And that you now say that we only get the asset info after all payments are paid, and that includes the doublepayment is paid back, that would mean i would never get the asset info. Because there will always be someone dont paying back. And no i cant do anything again here but dont get the asset info because of that?

Magically appeared? You know who sent it, you know that it was a mistake and you know how to return it.

If someone accidentally left a wallet in your house and then knocked on your door asking to get it back, would you do the same? "Oh, you mean this wallet that magically appeared on my living room table? Well, we didn't have an agreement regarding that so I think I'll keep it. Thanks!"

Maybe I would do much more, if that someone is keeping hostage 300X that amount of my property.

Ohh, come on people. There is nothing to discuss here about returning the funds or not.

They are not ours, keeping them is more or less stealing, period.

And also you are probably not keeping Nefarios funds, but Money that is needed to pay out the people that haven't got a payout, yet.

So everyone that is at least a bit honest should return the funds.

I haven't returned them yet, but all I want is (1) to get clarification on the 10% issue.
 - I could just return -10%, but that might ruin Nefarios payout script, when he returns the 10% to the other accounts.

(2) To now if and how he checks which accounts have returned the double payment, as I fear that he will hold the double paid accounts Stock hostage until funds have been returned and I don't want to end up having to proof that I have returned them, with having virtually no way to contact him.

Nefario:

Don't go for the triple face palmin' summersault clusterfuck when you decide to take care of the assets.

Pretty please.

About a month ago, the cashier at a restaurant I used to frequent regularly gave me $5 USD too much in change. I immediately bought the mistake to her attention, returning the fin because I like the establishment. Three days later, a cashier at KFC returned to me change which included an extra $10 USD. I nonchalantly pocketed the sawbuck and left the premises. Fuck them nefarious bastards who kill chickens, use some kind of secret herb and spices, have me pre-order, then make me wait in line for my meal.

I have no fear of some KFC guy chasing me down to have me return ten bucks. In fact, if it were a hundred dollar mistake, I still wouldn't have a concern. And they're a global entity. I've even returned to the same franchise--twice--taunting them to ask me to return the money, but they have yet to take the bait. I'm willing to bet that they know, that I know, that they know something's afoot, but can put a chicken finger on it.

Bottomline, Nefario, kindly ask for the overpayments to be returned, thanking all those who comply. The funds you don't get returned, eat it, continuing to refund those waiting, otherwise the chaser may become the chasee.

~Bruno K~

Of course keep the amount Nefario owes you and send back the rest.  For all you know the script was meant to send you the remaining 10% but instead just redid the last payment amount.

Sure. What I objected to was the general argument that something is rightfully yours just becaused it ended up in your Bitcoin address.

I would rather send him the coins back cause he may refuse to give you list of your assets (+ codes or whatever) afterwards.

This is unacceptable. I received a duplicate payment, a trivial amount, and I will return it. But not based on a forum post, and not to a common BTC address. Please send an email to the email address that was submitted for claims, with an individual BTC return address for each account, so that I can prove that I returned the excess coins. Statements of how much BTC and assets I actually held at GLBSE would be nice too.

How do you know that Nefario is still even using his bitcointalk account?  How do you know someone did not hack his account?

Give him the excess coins after he returns your assets and sends an actual email out.  That would prove it is him.

Also, how do we know the database is even intact?  It took less than a thought to delist all of Goats assets and send him claim codes.  If Nefario can run the payment script twice he is just as likely to 'accidentally' delete the database.  You really want someone that flushed away 1,000 BTC in 10 minutes to play around with the database well more than 1,000BTC?

Why would he 'accidentally' erase the database?  People might be able to come after him for lost bitcoins, but they can't come after him for the assets, especially unregistered, unregulated assets denominated in something not considered money.  Nefario is the only one with the evidence.  This whole claims process should have been done by someone else at BitcoinGlobal since Nefario pisses his pants when he even imagines a government regulator.

He could have easily sent the assets back first, then the bitcoins.

A thief asking to return his stolen money is like asking for "fucking respect".

If you deserve it, you will get it.

https://blockchain.info/address/19vEHZLujAq93v4tzEqVMvbWfhawB8xYh2

sent back the coins, coz of my policy "follow truth".

I haven't received a mail nor my coins, even though I submitted a claim as soon as the claim site went live. Anyone else with the same problem?

I just got an email saying my bitcoins were processed, no coins

Is that sure? Because i didnt get my payment again. So that means nefario took some of my coins as a fee or what? If not i should have gotten the doublepayment. So where did i say yes to this fee?


If such "accident" or anything happens to the database no one would believe it. Backups are common sense especially for websites handling money.
If this happens it would be clear why. And i fear the anger of people could be enough for him to fear for his life. I mean even now there is so much anger. How will it be when its clear he killed the database? I will not imagine.

Is there a list of double pay transactions somewhere?

I had most of my coins invested in shares and received a <1 BTC transaction that was my recent dividends from before the shutdown.

Even though it is a small amount I would like to return this if it was double payed, but I really have no clue what my balance was at shutdown.

If there was a double payment I am sure Nefario will 'chase you down'.

Haha yeah...not really all that worried about it.  Plus if someone claims I got double payed, where is the proof?  This thing has not been handled very well.



I mean i haven't been bitching too much since I should have been keeping track better myself of my own accounts, but double payments aside it would have been nice to get your account balance, current assests,  etc. when you login to glbse to make the claim.

It doesn't matter whether people believe it.  Take a look at the Bitcoinica clusterfuck.  All the anger in the world still hasn't gotten people their funds back and the Intersango guys aren't exactly in hiding.

I like many others, still haven't got their bitcoins returned, not even an email, yet he's already managed to send out double payments to some, others have had unusual amounts sent back and a few confirmed an accurate number was returned.
*shakes head*
Not looking good.

If you had gotten a double payment then you would have gotten 2 transactions with the exact same amount. You sound like you got only one payment so you arent one of them.

Not exactly true, in the first round of payments GLBSE sent multiple amounts to the same user.  It does not come as one single amount.  I got two payments from GLBSE for the same amount but that was because they divided my claim into two payments.

You haven't brought any argument so far other that if someone hands you more cash than intended, you consider it perfectly okay to just keep it and not do anything about it because there was no prior agreement that you would return said fund backs. No contract to show, no way to force a chargeback, you keep it. Perfectly knowing there's too much and the funds are needed to pay others still awaiting there payment.


Well that's exactly what people here seems to be asking for. To return it on good faith because you know someone's else account needs those funds to be paid out.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So depending on if you like the establishment, you'll keep extra change handed? The establishment can take it no problem, but that's really dishonest, especially for the employee who has nothing to do with the quality of the establishment. He just happen to work there and a non-balancing cash register will get him troubles. Especially when your argument is that you do that to them because they make "kill chicken & make you wait in line". It's a fast food. What did you expect? I don't see much value in your statement. You go somewhere on your own free will in a fast food and then avenge yourself for not liking the place because it's managed like you'd expect a fast food to be? Unless the employees were real jerks but you forgot to mention it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's the thing, you can believe as much as you want that he's incompetent and be angry all you want about GLBSE's closure, in the end, he hasn't stolen those funds. He's trying to distribute them and accidentally rerun the script for the 90% payment. Those funds are needed to pay those who haven't been paid yet. Keeping the funds to do yourself your own justice for GLBSE closing down and making you wait? It's the funds of other depositors you'd be keeping. It's not harming Nefario at all, I don't think his reputation could sink lower around here. Only thing keeping the funds can achieve is depriving other depositors from getting their balance paid out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktvE2vfxSQ&t=1m25s

Nice quote right there eh

But that's the problem, it's GLBSE's users fund. He couldn't give that money to you because it never was his to start with. He was not the owner of those funds.


It's more akin to handing a pack of bills to the wrong recipient or someone making you a payment and accidentally having an extra bill in it. He wasn't drunk and willingly giving it away and coming back saying "wait, I changed my mind, I was drunk, bad decision." Because in that example you gave, indeed you couldn't possibly expect to demand the money back as it was given to you willingly. But it's not what happened here, not counting it's not his funds on top of it.

Really, it doesn't seem like something that would impact Nefario at all as his reputation is already ruined. It would however hurt other GLBSE users for which no money will be left to proceed with paying out the balance.

I have no intention of using funds that were mistakenly sent to me for my personal benefit (as can be attested to by several members of this forum with whom I have worked out errors). At the same time, I have no intention of returning said funds to an incompetent non-communicator until a plan for remediation of this whole g0d-awful situation is outlined.  So back way way off on your attempted moralizing until perhaps you have contributed to a planned solution. The funds that I received in error are a very tiny fraction of my hard eaned non scam assets sitting out of my reach with the incompetent.

A plan for remediation? He's currently processing the payment of balances and should afterward work on releasing assets data to issuers. The process is currently ongoing albeit slow. The same address used to receive your balance will be put together with everyone's info and assets balance and be sent to issuers. You'll be able to sign message with your BTC address to issuers which is a safe solution for proving ownership compared to the criticized claim codes used previously.  There's not really any solution to further propose.

I don't see how keeping the funds would help in anything, other than delaying the repayment of the other depositors.

That seems to be your plan for remediation. I have never seen any plan from Nefario, now a proven incompetent on several levels who needs outside supervision and probably escrow even if he does come up with a workable plan for the escalating mess he has caused.

"should afterwords work on releasing data"  Why, yes, he certainly should. How hopelessly romantic of you to think he "will" do competently what he " should "do" (should have done).

Why are you speaking for Nefario?  He really needs to be speaking for himself here.  Nobody is going to trust any third-party's comments regarding what is going on. 

As for doing it competently, I cannot say. But the wording on GLBSE.com was pretty clear that asset balances along with email + BTC address would be relayed to issuers.

It is incredibly slow but so far he's been processing accounts. I don't have any reason to believe he would not then start processing sending data to issuers like he's supposed to.

Lets look at the broken promises:

Nefario shut down GLBSE without warning.
Nefario erroneously paid people almost twice as much as their claim.
The partners of BitcoinGlobal will take no responsibility for poor management of user accounts.

Then why do you believe Nefario will pay back the total bitcoin claim amounts and give them their asset information?

Do you think Nefario will actually cover the loss of bitcoins for those that will not return the funds?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

The partners have indicated that BG doesn't have sufficient reserves to cover the whole amount which was double paid, and I think that we can safely assume that Nefario isn't going to cover anything out of his own pocket.

They can go get a credit card, buy some bitcoins, and send them to the GLBSE users.  What kind of Mickey Mouse game is this that 7-8 people can't come up with $12,000?

http://www.findmysoft.com/img/news/inside/TUX_1248775894.jpg

So people should not send back bitcoins from the double payments because there's no reason to believe he'll pay back because he can't cover the loss of the double payment? Is that serious? He has been paying out balances so far, why wouldn't he pursue that? If he wanted to steal those funds he wouldn't have returned any balance at all.

As for screwing BitcoinGlobal shareholders and closing GLBSE without warning, yes, I completely agree it's a very bad move. It doesn't mean he's gone and won't do anything. For once a website suddenly closing isn't running away with users funds. We have every reason to be dissatisfied, but I see no reason to think he will not attempt to process all balances & assets as best as he can. For what his best is worth...

The logs of his meeting with BitcoinGlobal shareholders screamed of a court order or chickening out in the face of possible legal issues. It doesn't seems he's closing GLBSE for the heck of it. He claims not having a choice.

People that received double payments have already made up their minds if they will pay back or not.  GLBSE will not receive 100% of those double payments back and the people responsible (Nefario and the people that let Nefario have so much control over GLBSE) for the screw up need to reach in their own pockets to make it right.

If I received a double payment I would send the extra back, but only when GLBSE sends me an email telling me: (1) they made a double payment, (2) how much I had in my account when it closed, and (3) contain a link to a form on GLBSE that gives a unique bitcoin payment address that will prove that I returned the coins.

^ This, plus  (4), a statement of my asset holdings at the time of GLBSE closing sent to me and to the asset issuers so that I can continue to receive dividends from my good faith investments. Quickly, before some other fuck up destroys Nefario's access to the database. I trust his stories of backups as much as I trust GLBSE woudn't shut down without notifying asset issuers of the beneficial owners of shares. He could even, heaven forbid, get sick and unable to function before my next dividends are due.

Perfect business trick.
Nefario was given scammer tag, coz he didn't payback the bitcoins & assets in GLBSE.

Now he sent double payments & ordered to return the bitcoins, which makes whoever received the bitcoins & not giving it back has to get scammer tag.
How many persons will be given scammer tag in this forum for not paying back the double payment?

@Badbear: what you going to do about this?

Edit:I think badbear gave scammer tag, not theymos.

There is no trick. Nefario holds the records of my asset ownership. He sends that to the issuer and me, I send him back any overpayment. Since your honesty is above reproach, you act as escrow, o.k.? Passes your morality test?

I never wanted to act as an escrow & never asked anyone to follow me in speaking truth or try to be honest.

Scammer tag was given to nefario when he didn't returned money.
Now he starts paying them & sent double payments to some & asked to send back double payed coins.

If the person, who holding others money, even after knowing that, its not his money, will be given sacmmer tag?
coz nefario was given scammer tag for holding others money knowingly.

I don't have a drumstick to stand on in reference to the the non-bold text (first half), but as far as the bolded text is concerned, I think you missed the joke when I penned:


If said event happened at Burger King, the word monarch may have migrated into that sentence. Hopefully, the bolded text now liberates the humor.

The point in relaying the now unfortunate-for-me story was to drive the following home in a very kind way to Dr. Nefario/James:


~Bruno K~

I think the double payment should be paid back. In real world its probably true that, if you send someone money through wire and you accidentally changed a number that you dont get your money back but its a different thing for businesses. For example the cases where a bank send one of their customers some million euro and he has to pay it back of course because its not his.

The double payment mostly isnt worth the amount of assets one owned but you can be sure that nef wont run the assetinfo until this money is back. So you can try and blackmail nef with not giving back this money... but why should he care about? Its not his money and he showed that he wants to pay back most of it. So blackmailing him will only lead to the point where he can point with the finger at you guys and say "Look... these are the bad guys" and nothing will move. You know its true. He hasnt shown any responsibility for the damage he caused and feels he is doing everything right. Wants the last months ceo payment and so on even though his shareholders probably suffered higher loss than this because of his actions. I mean would you stop a business this way that afterwards everyone is angry at you? I mean when i would do it i would expect that it will cost me something. And when its only to not leave them all angry.

You try to blackmail him... with money that is not nefarios but belongs to other normal users. He wont care. Why should he? And why should he follow the blackmailing?

You guys deliver him a perfect excuse to not going further.


Or this ^ (deleted some of your lines) is the business trick because nef can be sure that at least some dont pay back. So he could create a perfect excuse why he cant process the sharesinfo.

Double payment coins returned
b7cf57ee4e9a37e3dc3e229323edadcd31969cb92d1d1a72c717d6280b2199bc

Returned mine as well:

85d3a4cccf14e6b0677bd1e56ade3285c161e71ed03abe90efb4e92282514faf (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/85d3a4cccf14e6b0677bd1e56ade3285c161e71ed03abe90efb4e92282514faf)

Nefario, please don't make me regret it.

The issue of returning extra coins sent in error isn't as black and white as either side seems to think.

The general principle (in the UK) is that if you know they aren't yours then you have to return them.  Where the problem arises here is that, so far, nefario hasn't released the information necessary for people to establish how many coins they were actually supposed to be sent.  Once he's provided .csv files of transaction histories then people can verify how much they should have received and return the extra.  Right now he hasn't even given a good explanation of why GLBSE had to close down in a rush - let alone given the information necessary for people to verify what funds they were due.

His primary (original) reason for shutting down was AML.  An entirely credible reasons - but undermined by his subsequent behaviour.  He initially insisted that his legal advice was that he had to obtain ID info for everyone - then retreated very quickly from that position without any explanation.  Was his original legal advice wrong?  Was he just making up that legal advice?  Who knows.

It is absolutely 100% certain that he misled or lied to his fellow shareholders in their irc discussion in respect of his legal advice.  There is NO WAY that a single solicitor could represent both GLBSE (collectively) and nefario (individually) when (as was made perfectly plain in the irc log) his personal objectives were definitely not fully aligned with those of all his fellow shareholders/officers (the officers is the key part).  There's also NO WAY a solicitor could give advice to the company as a whole whilst telling nefario he couldn't tell his fellow officers about it - if the information was only relevant to nefario then his PERSONAL solicitor should be dealing with it.  It's also standard practice in the UK that when advised by a solicitor on a significant business issue, you are then sent a written summary of their advice.  This should have been provided to (at least) the other officers, if not to all shareholders (there's a difference between passive shareholders and actual officers who participate in running the business).

I can understand nefario maybe not understanding what a conflict of interest is.  But I'd be shocked if a solicitor didn't - they tend to try desperately to avoid such conflicts as it leaves them open to liability and complaints of malpractice.  I've had a solicitor refuse to advise me on an issue that arose whilst I was working under instructions from them (and a barrister I was working with on the same matter also refused to give advice) even though the actual solution to the issue that had arisen (which was arrived at after taking independent legal advice) was fairly simple and not detrimental to any of us.  I can only surmise that nefario either consulted on an individual basis and/or played down the involvement of theymos etc such that the solicitor concluded they had no part in actually running GLBSE.

In short, nefario has been less than honest and open so far - both to users of GLBSE and to his own business partners.  There's, thus, no reason anyone should be willing to take his unsupported word on what they're owed.  And how much should be sent back anyway?  Has he even ever stated whether the whole 2nd payment was an error - or was it meant to be sending the last 10%?

Note: I received all (I believe - though can't confirm obviously) my tiny amount of funds back in the first batch of payments.  I haven't received any 2nd payment so have nothing personally to decide whether to return, how much to return or who to return it to.  If I HAD received an overpayment then I'd be putting the 2nd payment in cold storage then waiting until I had the information necessary to determine precisely what I WAS owed AND had either received back control of my assets OR received a good explanation of why they weren't being returned before sending any funds anywhere.

If he's spewing funds around at random then there's no guarantee returning them to him would get them to whoever their rightful owner is anyway.  He could have just disabled trading/transfers and left the site up so we could withdraw and verify our holdings now that he no longer required ID information.  And if there's specific accounts that he can't do that on (e.g. if he has been given specific instructions in respect of asset issuers) then the withdrawal functionality could have been removed from them.

I don't think Nefario sent double payment by mistake.
He deliberately sent double payment to cause problems.

He got scammer tag for not giving back bitcoins.
& now those who gave scammer tag, must give scammer tags to those who don't payback also.

If you know that you received extra money, I think you have a moral responsibility to try and return it (maybe minus a few percent).

However, in this case:
- You can't return it to the rightful owners directly.
- Nefario is obviously very incompetent and untrustworthy, so it would be reasonable to think that returning the money to him would not get the money to the rightful owners.
- Nefario is holding hostage your assets and the BTC of most users, so I think you would be morally justified in refusing to return the money until those things are released.

So I'm certainly not going to give recipients of the extra money scammer tags at least until Nefario releases most of the BTC and asset info.

wow

This post bothers me. (don't want to derail or post OT, so will keep what I want to relay in the content of N, but applies to others who...)

I've seen the mega thread about AML as it relates to Mt Gox, reading most of the posts, albeit not retraining a lot of the info, but feel I got the gist, but not until now realized a possible deeper motive by those who request AML docs under the guise that they're entitled/obligated to request said documents.

A couple questions come to mind:

• Is what Nefario did legal? (collecting AML docs as a UFI)
• What are said docs worth on the BM?
• How could this private information in the wrong hands affect the future of those who supplied said docs?
• What other entities in the Bitcoin world collected said docs under illegal pretense, and are no longer around (include those still active)?

Again, I hope my post here doesn't derail this thread. If the subject matter is important, somebody please start another thread to address these very important concerns.

Thanks.

~Bruno K~

Still haven't received a mail nor any coins. Anything I can do at this moment? Or should I just wait, like I've been doing for an eternity for my Bitcoinica funds? =/

Those docs are worth anywhere from $50 to $500 or more depending on credit, and they will use them to falsify credit card applications and possibly get the person whos ID they stole arrested if it is not seen as ID theft.

You can point to other people and say they are the reason why you have no responsibility for your failures. But that is not how I tick. I have hundreds of customers myself and if I make a mistake I always fix it. Even if it costs me money. Customers are never responsible for my mistakes. And I expect the same from everybody else. It is about taking responsibility. Morality will come second. I am sure most people are still honest here and if they feel you deserve it, they will return what is not rightfully theirs. But only after the people responsible for this mess have cleaned it up as good as they can.

Its ok not to trust nefario but what you are saying will actually lead to the point were nefario wont give out any more payment nor the assetinfo. And you know that he wont give it out. So just in case nefario made this double payment on purpose to not have to give out the assetinfo you quite perfectly play his game.
And till now nefario showed that he wants to pay back. As far as i read there are paid back not small amounts already. Even though only getting 90% of the btc back... the assetinfo is worth more for the assetowners. Its worth nothing to nefario.

This is all speculation. Likely, but speculation. You will never get everyone to return their double payments, so Nefario will always have a reason to point to that and say it is not his fault he is stalling. Instead it could be more productive if customers made a united stand and responded that this mess has to be fixed first. Customers are not responsible for this fuck-up. Also see the post above your post.

This overpayment doesn't give Nefario a good excuse to keep asset info for most users. Maybe he could keep it for those people who were over-paid, but not for everyone.

Eh, yeah, completly missed it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Deprived, theymos, deeplink, I understand those points, but Nefario has already lost his reputation and I see no reason he would accept any such blackmailing since it's not his funds. Although as I said, Deprived, I perfectly agree that request to return funds should be communicated properly and people can and should request an official request from Nefario, along with an account statement showing your final balance and assets.

The issue in holding those funds for not trusting Nefario (even if there's no doubt good reasons to not do so) is that it belongs to other issuers. Holding the funds as escrow to force Nefario to release any data makes you appoints yourself as arbitrator and fund holder. This forces whoever those funds belong to to trust those refusing to send the fund back with their money over trusting Nefario, something they never consented to.

If I understand correctly deeplink, you want them to pay for unreturned funds from their own pocket  and release info before sending them the BTC which would end up reimbursing what they paid from their own pocket? You're free to do that if you want. It does seem like their funds are tight, but as many already/are planning to return funds, I'm sure they can come up with a few 1000s USD for the remaining. Albeit I don't agree with people appointing themselves as escrow in the name of others, especially since they can't give or deny consent for this.

Has anyone not thought that most of those payment addresses that received the "double payment" is Nefario's own addresses?

I have had a teller give me some extra money before.  The reason why I give it back is because the till count will be off and that teller would have to makeup the extra money the teller gave out.

I don't see how this is not the same for Nefario.  He can go forward.  If he does not have any bitcoins left, he can start to release the assets without any problem to asset issuers and claim codes to users.  He can also be contacting all those he sent double payment and ask to receive the funds back, for those that don't he can make up the difference with his money, just like they do in the real world.

A few choice quotes from the shareholder meeting. It's a long read but please go read it for other shareholders' point of view about it. This mostly highlight what Nefario claims.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[05/10/2012 16:59:18] <shareholder2> da2ce796: we don't even know if there is an investigation or order
...
[05/10/2012 16:59:59] <nefario> shareholder2: I can't tell you if there is an order if there IS one
...
[05/10/2012 18:05:04] <nefario> shareholder2: we COULD go against what my lawyer says
[05/10/2012 18:05:07] <nefario> the result would be
[05/10/2012 18:05:10] <shareholder4> suppose, just for a moment, that we vite no
[05/10/2012 18:05:11] <nefario> GLBSE gets shut down
[05/10/2012 18:05:16] <nefario> and I get imprisoned
...
[05/10/2012 18:15:09] <shareholder1> the simple point is some people are gonna lose bitcoins because they cant AML
...
[05/10/2012 18:16:05] <shareholder1> but who gets it ?
[05/10/2012 18:16:05] <nefario> I don't know
[05/10/2012 18:16:06] <chrisrico> you keep it?
[05/10/2012 18:16:09] <nefario> HAHA
[05/10/2012 18:16:10] <nefario> me
[05/10/2012 18:16:11] <nefario> lol
...
[05/10/2012 18:16:34] <nefario> I'll ask the lawyer what we do with the funds that are not claimed
...
[05/10/2012 18:32:35] <nefario> I propose a motion to have theymos return the user BTC which has in his posstion for the purpose of allowing me to repay users
[05/10/2012 18:32:42] <nefario> to me
[05/10/2012 18:32:43] <nefario> or
[05/10/2012 18:32:44] <nefario> coldhardmetal
...
[05/10/2012 18:41:05] <chrisrico> because in THIS case, THEYMOS has the money that NEFARIO wants
[05/10/2012 18:41:06] <shareholder1> So theres literally nothing we can do
[05/10/2012 18:41:27] <shareholder3_> guys, lets do this together, fighting internally does not help
[05/10/2012 18:41:31] <nefario> chrisrico: that is users money, not GLBSE's
[05/10/2012 18:41:40] <shareholder3_> lets finish the motion and move forward
[05/10/2012 18:41:44] <nefario> I don't want it, I'm happy for coldhardmetal to hold it
[05/10/2012 18:42:13] <nefario> we're waiting for cold to toll up the votes so far
[05/10/2012 18:42:15] <chrisrico> theymos can hold it
[05/10/2012 18:42:17] <shareholder1> I trust chm to do the right thing with it
[05/10/2012 18:42:42] <ColdHardMetal> 57.85% for. My vote doesn't matter. Motion carries
[05/10/2012 18:42:51] <shareholder2> that's funny
[05/10/2012 18:43:09] <shareholder2> nefario who wouldn't observe the result of a motion concerning him forces theymos to do so
...
[05/10/2012 18:44:36] <chrisrico> nefario: given that we are paying for this lawyer, please give us his contact information
[05/10/2012 18:44:38] <shareholder4> chrisrico: yes but just fot the lulz
[05/10/2012 18:44:42] <shareholder3_> not about the legal stuff, but the shutdown process i mean
[05/10/2012 18:44:51] <chrisrico> *his or her
[05/10/2012 18:44:55] <shareholder1> yes what is the lawyers contact info
[05/10/2012 18:45:02] <shareholder3_> so, when and how will glbse communicate with users?
[05/10/2012 18:45:15] <ColdHardMetal> asap.
[05/10/2012 18:45:15] <nefario> buckworthsolicitors.co.uk
...
[05/10/2012 18:49:34] <shareholder2> then i want full transparency since it's our lawyer
[05/10/2012 18:49:53] <shareholder2> anything else is dishonest, nefario
[05/10/2012 18:49:57] <nefario> shareholder2: then you'll have to give your AML info to me and take the same risk I am for GLBSE
...
[05/10/2012 18:53:48] <nefario> these are the basic facts the announcement needs to convey: 1) GLBSE is closing, 2) All BTC will be returned to users, 3) Users need to AML, 4) Issuers who are not already verifified will need to do AML, 5) Issuers who have been AML'd will be given all support to move off GLBSE, 6) Users AML'd will be given all support to move their assets off GLBSE
...
[05/10/2012 18:56:08] <nefario> shareholder4: I've talked about this with the lawyer, because there is no way to prove that one person hasn't oppened dozens of accounts with smaller amounts we have to do aml for everyone
...
[05/10/2012 18:43:12] <shareholder2> oh well
[05/10/2012 18:43:17] <chrisrico> what happened with the vote to remove nefario as CEO?
[05/10/2012 18:43:24] <chrisrico> out of curiousity
[05/10/2012 18:43:24] <shareholder1> didnt pass
[05/10/2012 18:43:24] <ColdHardMetal> didn;t pass
[05/10/2012 18:43:31] <nefario> shareholder2: I've not violated the results of any motions

I vote to put all the double payments in a legal fund to send Nefario to the jail where he belongs. Moreover I will donate all my GLBSE assets  to the first convict who rapes him.

And under what cause could you possibly get him sent to prison? He's still processing payments and hasn't ran away with anyone's money, at least for now. He's also closing GLBSE, which is not a crime in itself. People don't go in prison for merely pissing people off.

I think a lawyer might find a lot of good reasons, even if you could argue that "processing payments" may reasonably take a thousand years.
At this regard there is this thread:

Legal Actions against Nefario
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117655.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117655.0)

I have received three payouts:
a086ad011a8d0b8f07ba2afd313c89cf208600f365827cd252d8dcd4c3ad3e89
f05343d3b7c64164d94431071e654312bbea5447aec9981bcafca792ea5d433e
826546b1f3844ea8b5b93b22ef0e872cdc6ece8e30d2d3888b12f8fd58dadf81

adding up to a bit more then 600 BTC :)
//DeaDTerra

Thank you.

I'll look at those reasons.


Mind stating each payment was for which asset's account?

Sure the first one if for GSDPT, the second one for GIPPT and the third one for GBF.
//DeaDTerra

Thank you, updated the OP to show issuers at the top.

Strange reasoning. Of course I am free to fix their mistakes for them, but why should I, it wasn't me who messed up? If I had, you bet your ass I would.

Yes I want GLBSE to reimburse all customers everything they had. From their own pockets, by taking a loan, by working at McDonalds for the rest of their lives, who cares? Customers do not have to care about how GLBSE fixes their mistakes.

Indeed I would expect them to pay, regardless of if some do not send back their doubled payment.

Although I don't believe it's the best and easiest way to proceed, I'm perfectly fine with your way of dealing with the situation, so long as the funds are returned once everyone has been paid.

No, if anyone is going to find offences which carry potential prison sentences (actual criminal prosecutions for AML type offences are pretty rare), it's the regulatory authorities.  Users can certainly go that route if they want to, but they need to do so mindful of the fact that they were participating in illegal activity themselves and weigh up whether it's worth the risk of finding their own financial dealings under scrutiny.

From the viewpoint of civil law, "clean hands" might be a sticking point.  If the user contracts with GLBSE and the asset issuers are illegal in and of themselves, then civil action to try to enforce them may well be futile.

deep AH

So you are saying that since GLBSE users were not innocent, they would better suck whatever comes?
I'd rather go in jail with Nefarious.

Tell  me what you believe your legal options are.  For a start, the amounts owed to most people would likely fall into the realm of small claims and small claims is an area which often requires the person making the claim to be present at the hearing.  It always requires you to prove your claim and often requires you to demonstrate that the person you're seeking judgement against has been given an opportunity to pay and didn't - ie, that payment is "overdue".  

If you're going to bypass small claims and try for individual lawsuits, then you're running into a real problem both with expense and with the court examining whether or not the activity in which people were engaging with GLBSE was legal.  As you can't file a lawsuit anonymously, you are tying yourself to an illegal activity in a legal forum in order to pursue an amount which is probably less than the fines you'd be facing for participating in that activity.  You'd be a fool to try to represent yourself in any such action, obviously, and international lawsuits are not cheap - you'd be looking at paying lawyers in at least two locations, and your cause of action is what?  That you lost money as a result of Nefario closing down an illegal enterprise?  Good luck with that argument.

Edit.  Just checked UK Civil Rules.  Here's what you're required to do prior to starting court action - including small claims action - against someone in England, Wales and Northern Island.  Annex A is especially important.

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/pd_pre-action_conduct

Annex A is pretty much the only relevant part of that for small claims court in the UK.  Small claims in the UK does NOT require attendance in person unless the claim is disputed.

Anyone claiming would NOT be stating that the lost money because of Nefario closing down an illegal business - as, to date, nefario has issued no statement saying that.  If nefario wanted to claim in his response that he had been running an illegal business then that would be up to him, however unless he could demonstrate that YOU knew it was illegal at the time you invested ot wouldn't exactly be much of a defence.  The actual procedure/form is pretty simple (unless it's changed massively since I last did one a few years back), however I wouldn't recommend anyone go this route for a few reasons:

1.  It's very likely nefario is going to pay everyone/give everyone details on their assets anyway.  He's just doing it in the slowest, most convoluted and error-prone manner he could devise.
2.  Forget small claims unless you live in the UK.
3.  I'm dubious whether, if disputed, it would get to remain a small-claims case - as issues like whether bitcoin have monetary value are likely to be considered too complex for the fast-track system.  So would claiming against a partnership where most partners arent known and aren't even UK citizens - trying to pin it all on nefario would likely be too complex an argument for the small-claims procedure.
4.  Even if you win it doesn't magically give you anything back.  All you get is a judgment saying you are owed a certain amount of money, then the hard part comes - actually getting it.  Bear in mind that any claim is against the company, not against nefario the individual (if his partners believe any loss is down to just him then that's a seperate case for them to resolve).

Frankly, #1 is the main issue.  Not sure why anyone's even considering legal action when all we've so far is total panic and oncompetence from nefario, nothing which suggests he actually intends to defraud anyone (other than, arguably, his fellow share-holders).  My main worry right now is that he'll do something dumb like overwrite his database by mistake - or send everyone someone else's list of assets.  If he's spewing bitcoins around at random I dread to imagine what lists asset issuers are going to get.

Yes, thats why i say its maybe created. I mean you see how many reasons people come up that want to stop their scammy hyip? Its various.


Um... what kind of pressure do you think can be done? Dont you see how angry the people in here are? I mean the next step would be physical violence or something. I dont see how one could pressure nefario even more now and still being lawful.

Im with you saying that not all people will give the money back easily. But i say there were worse excuses for not giving back from various hyip-scam-artists.

Only saying...


So are you an issuer? Would be good if that at least... i hope asicminer is next. Your amount of btc is nice enough to raise hope.

Issuer and trader :)
As said I recommend calling James, he's a nice guy according to my experience.
//DeaDTerra

I only recieved 2 payments, still waiting for the rest of my bitcoin and assets.
61c8f6be4373580a03d750466177a4c2ae1212886b211e85188ce6aaaef4a130
53f3d11dff7683581c355611fb04658a075e8a9a2d43019b695cd889a8501a05

With a grand total of 7.4 btc.

Greetz

Can you pm me or friedcat(asicminer issuer) the phonenumber of james? I got my little btc but wait for the sharesinfo like any other. And friedcat said that glbse isnt answering for mails. So having the number would be good probably when he talks on phone.

namworld, you can add this to original post.

OK, just because NeFAILure is keeping hostage 300X+ my double payment in assets of mine, I decided to send back my double payment, even if at this point I do not expect nothing of good from him anyway.  (Just to avoid to be targeted in case by some miracle NeFAILure finds a way to send out signed statements of assets' property).

TX id of my payback: 65f39390d0cd401b796987857607a2639430ce470efc9f2a02184fdf45d3dec6

GLBSE second payment: 464afa3ef883f88cb4950e1ad980852ab01cb14929e91f30aa714f4c54e6e484

GLBSE 1st payment: c08067c0d047f2e5dab7d9ededb83262bf014d549dc9d2b36eb104a91b08a8d6

No email no payment yet. It's around 130 BTC balance.

Is there an address where one could see if still payments are going out? I have read nefario scrambled somehow the payments so is it possible to check if he is still paying out? If not he should be ready to spread the asset info i think.
What about it?

I don't think any new payments have been sent out yet.  The last 2 batches were done within a 10 minute time frame.

That sucks... i mean how long can it take to create such a script? And why did he code an automatic payout script and didnt let it run simulated first?
This one-man-show sucks... When at least another person has insight what is going on... but no...

No email, no payment. Waiting for 250+ BC.

this is fucking lame

So Amir Taaki (genjix) was a partner in Bitcoinica, which is going to court for not returning thousands of customer BTC. He is also a partner of GLBSE which is going the same route unless some miracle happens.

Can I get a list of other ventures, apart from Intersango, this "entrepreneur" is involved in?

I read he said "maybe" he collects welfare. Wouldn't be surprised if it were true tough.

Are there any payments planned at all?
Whole 50% of funds have been lost due to double returns?

get nothing from nefari, money, info and reply.

I gave Nefario a paper wallet address and after double checking that the 90% were paid as announced, I was waiting for an email notification for the remaining 10%.

Was not checking the balance after that, since right now I do have other things to do (like processing claims for my ZETA-MINING bonds :(). Tonight I received an email from Nef asking to return the double payments, which I did after checking that I in fact received two times the exact same payments for two accounts.

My payback address is 15NVXrMhqrkyssA6MowDLahjhhhELjGBoX (https://blockchain.info/address/15NVXrMhqrkyssA6MowDLahjhhhELjGBoX), for those who keep track of this.


Sorry to you all if not reading the forum and checking my addresses 24/7 caused any delays in the re-payment process.

It could be a elaborate scheme, but I don't think he has it in him to do that.  I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now on.

I take back what I said, he is a crook.  It is unreasonable to expect to receive all the coins he mistakenly sent to other people.  Also there is no proof those bitcoin address were real and not created by Nefario to embezzle funds and make it look like people won't return the coins back.

I believe if he was actually going to return shareholder data to issuers he would have done that first.  He is likely not doing so as it would open him up to liability and his silly fear of the government.

I can confirm that he sent me double up of the payment I was suppose to get and I sent it all back.
Personally I don't think James is a crook, I think he's in a stressful situation with a lot of pressure which resulted in him fucking up and sending double payments.
//DeaDTerra

So holding hostage the property of hundreds of innocent bystanders -not to mention all the rest he has done- is fine for you?
Then you see no problem even in bank robberies I guess.

I have not yet confirmed that this is the reason why he has not released the information to the issuers and I find it unlikely. As it's probably not the issuers that have the extra BTC but the asset holders. In which case a personal boycott of each person which did not send back the double payment would be more efficient.
I will call James and have a chat with him I am sure that he's not holding anyone hostage over this and that it can be explained.
//DeaDTerra

How is it that you have this privileged phone access to Nefario? Why hasn't Nefario been updating to this forum all along with his intentions and actions (and problems)? I would appreciate information to come directly from Nefario, not processed through the filter of your reported phone conversations. Nefario's lack of communication has been the problem all along.

As I meet him at the Bitcoin conference 2012 and I have been a active user and supporter of GLBSE for over a year :)
I am sure he would but it only creates more drama so instead he only updates when there's a official statement to be made.
//DeaDTerra

We know of at least 370 BTC returned by people for sure.
124.84280414 BTC by 17 different people onto a general address (http://blockchain.info/address/1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j).
and 245.7032832 BTC by Zephyr onto an individual address (https://blockchain.info/address/16zLwPHW6oUU9tC8hRwDWB2ey3QCwMZdd7).
Nefario assigns different addresses to different people, which is in accord with popular demand.

These amounts looks like being returned as well:
55.7246187 BTC http://blockchain.info/address/14CQiJAiA5o8go8PWc27BjkNA4v2t7QFEt
37.9993912 BTC http://blockchain.info/address/1AcNDLYUwtDFbUhJLKa5DH7Rw9PKpSy2D7

It sums up to about a half of the double payments. Garr255 cited Nefario saying 3/4 of extra coins are back.
The "honesty factor" is not small and is still growing.

Nefario can give issuers all the data without the assets of the ones who haven't returned the coins.

The problem is that "unofficial" statements through third parties look like weasel behaviour.  We have no way to judge their veracity and it gives Nefario plausible deniability.  He needs to make an official statement regarding when he intends to resume the repayment process.  If 75% of the overpayments have been returned there seems to be no good reason why the repayment process can't be resumed right now - from what we've been told, GLBSE should have enough reserves of its own to cover any remaining shortfall.  For someone who's suddenly so worried about legal consequences, Nefario is acting very stupidly if he believes that he can simply refuse to make further repayments or not put issuers and users in contact with each other until the entirely internal problem of some people not having returned their overpayments is solved. 

Is there any way I can get in touch with Nefario? I've submitted my claim, but I've received nothing, nada. No email, no BTC, no list of assets, nothing. Anything I can do besides wait?

Indeed this is very unreasonable. Returning the shareholder data should have highest priority. What is so hard in pulling the data from the database.
This is handled so unprofessional it's unbelievable.  :-\

Being unprofessional is almost an unwritten law for operating a Bitcoin business, it seems.

get no payment no news no asset info from nefario.

A sad state of affairs, to be sure.

The 55.72 BTC was mine :)
//DeaDTerra

This I agree with, he should be more straight forward and more open to everyone.
//DeaDTerra

Due to newbie restrictions I've not been able to post here till now but I've posting on the newbie board here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118724.0

I received a double payment: http://blockchain.info/address/1DV8ntyA7dJZPmq41TXbGmwJK75d1DhGiE

And have returned the excess here: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/30663306/e6c878bbda9d9fe17d23ccff7f5bd86770a685898290d44e3e48fe7705691ec1

Still no news on assets though...

After giving information about email and my Public Key some weeks ago, I find this new information on https://glbse.com/:

>>
Claim finished
GLBSE is closed
Please login to get your bitcoin and assets.
Problems logging in? Contacting support?
 If you've been having problems logging in (lost your password or two-factor auth) and have contacted support, please be patient. Due to the huge volume of emails coming in I won't be able to address support emails until most bitcoin has been refunded and assets details given out. Once this is done I will address your problem and get your bitcoin and assets back to you.
<<

It was possible to log in with my old credentials. This message came after:

>>
Claim finished
 Your claim has been submitted and will be reviewed. You will be contacted (via the email address you provided) to keep you up to date on the status of your account, we will try to get your bitcoin to you as soon as possible.
<<

This was new to me, perhaps I missed something.

no communication so far.... no funds received .....

Lost 2FA and had started a conversation with nefario before he defaulted. since then no live sign of him!

Another disconcerning point: I use an explicit email address for GLBSE, so only three parties know about it: Me, the provider arcor.de, and GLBSE. This message came shortly:

>>
Subject:
S E. X- P^lC, T U -R:E;S"
From:
"Tsyyc" <XXXXXXXX@arcor.de>
Date:
2012-10-21 00:19
An:  A long list of recipients
<<

I would be interested in the leak, was it GLBSE, the provider arcor.de, or is there another way?

Comment: The email address behind "Tsyyc" is my own email address.

Maybe the list of recipients are a hint? If they are all arcor then you know its them. Or if you want maybe send a couple of them an email stating that you want to find out the source that leaked their emails and ask where they used their email.

ouch... So due to double payments, I won't be getting my shit back aye?

FTFY

I wonder what the guys mean that log in to claim their funds and get the message their funds are claimed. I doubt they have insomnia and did it before. So what happened? Did someone other claim them? Or is it a bug?

It's just a misunderstanding.  The message says that you've completed the claims procedure - not that your claim has been fully processed.  All the claims procedure comprises is entering an email address and a BTC address - and the message is just saying that you've already done that.

So you mean they entered the email and address before? I have read it till now the way that they logged in and didnt get the chance to enter this details but instead got the message that their claims are processed right after logging in.
Maybe i misread it only.

^^^ He gave his email and BTC address. Upon relogin, he noticed the claim finished notice.

That's exactly how it should be once you input your details.

Ok, i overread it. I only wondered because there were similar sounding questions that let me think they werent able to enter their details. But maybe i misunderstood this too. ;)

This non-communication by GLBSE and Nefario is a sign that there can be no questioning of the methods, procedures and rules set by Nefario.  He is acting for his own self interest.  It is his way or no way.  If it is in his own self interest to not release asset holder info then he won't. 

Nefario could have asked for input from his clients and GLBSE partners, but instead he said he would do it his own way and no complaint is welcome.  This is the way people act that overestimate their own competency and is a sign of immaturity.  His stubbornness is the direct reason of the failure of GLBSE and the misappropriation of many GLBSE customer bitcoins.  He is a pariah in my opinion and any future endevours he is involved with should be avoided and boycotted.

For me it's a big difference. Some weeks ago there was a startpage where I entered email address, BTC address, and if asset information should be forwarded. After entering all information, I thought to have finished all prerequisites.

Now there is a login startpage with other information. Why can I log in? What's their intention? And what about people not yet have entered their BTC address some weeks before?

The information on the homepage changed, but since you previously entered your address & email, it will only show that the claim is finished when you login. It's normal.

This was an older payment and a small one but I would like to add it to the list.

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/29589756/5a6173601eb02ab7b858c97391473c5597a3327cd57ccf8cf6b9444e824d13f5

It was rounded up from 0.08

May as well add my old payment:

Bogart, 50.00, 4a5feb42d53649159a6eb182853af0e576935cad9c27eeacab4580c2ea8afdf1, 100%

no payments, no information. nothing.

Same here... I wonder if I got screwed out of my bitcoins yet again... Pfff

here too ...

t

Same here. They owe me about 56 or so coins. No replies to my emails about them :(

The website has been removed.

He's gone.

That would be totally unacceptable if he decides to play it like that.

Time to put a team together then?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--y9b4xUH5eI/T7r47iClZaI/AAAAAAAAE1A/1DfNLYlvfL8/s1600/dog-the-bounty-hunter.jpg

Stop panicking.

http://blog.glbse.com/shutdown-update

I've not even got this message about 90% ... Closing his web page shows to me he doesn't care about his customers.

So what's new?

Nefario confirmed again that he will pay the bitcoin back and the asset information just minutes ago.

Yea Bro, Imma pay u bak.  Just a sec.

Please send 250 bitcoin to the address in my signature. thanks.

So that his puppet? Where are my bitcoins beech?

@jasinlee, You're mean. I just post the words I got from him, and kid with other people. It does not say that he will actually do what he said. I am not sure, too. If you stop trolling and spend more time on collecting the identity information of him and trying to contact him as hard as I was, you may have contacted him yourself, which might also be helpful when we have to reach the UK police or other authority which Nefario try to stay away from.

Yes it is soooo mean to ask for the money someone pocketed and walked away with, essentially stealing them. Post the contact info here and I will be happy to contact the scam artist. And I live in the USA he and I both know that I am not going to hunt him down for 8btc. I will take my loss and move on, but it doesnt mean I have to be polite to the douche that stole from us.

You should ask him for an estimated time line of the return of assets.

What makes me different from you is that I chose to be polite at this stage, and still hope everything goes fine with him if he pay back and give out the information, but I'm also trying to be prepared to trace him if he refuse to pay. You don't have to be tough with me, I don't steal your coin. P.S, Nefario owes far more bitcoins than you. And lots of asset on the exchange. I care no less than you do.

Why not we cooperate like this. If you're America, native in English, undertand both the laguage and culture better than me, so I bet that you can do a better job in research how to report Nefario to the police or other authority, and what we should do to make every friends of Nefario know this stealing if he delayed the paying back for too long. You can do that research by yourself and keep everything prepared. Or you send your research to him is far more useful than just curse him around the forum. If you can contact someone live in England is even better. From the Bitcoin Magzine interview, we also know that someone know his new address, if we can unite all the people who knows a piece about him, I guess the probability that Nefario keeps his words will much bigger than just typing "beech" words on this forum.

Yea, I should have done that. Thanks for helping me review the subjunctive mood grammar. You know I have called him too many times in the past without any success, and I was a little bit surprised when he picked up.

As I so eloquently pointed out already, its not worth my time. And that was terribly painful to read, I think my eyes are bleeding. The beech, since you are not a native speaker of english I will point out for you that it was a joke. The word beech sounds like bitch, although I am not saying he is not a bitch, I was simply avoiding actually cursing as I feel cursing in general is an indication of a simple mind.  Anyway, he took down his site so he can do out of site out of mind like pirate most likely. If he had planned to pay me back he would have responded to emails, pms, tickets on his site, comments on his blog, etc. Instead, I got an email saying my glbse account had been processed, and he sent me exactly 0. So, Nefario can go have Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge with himself.

The GLBSE.com is back, read this notice again.

So never cause some people will not return it THAT IS GREAT! SO DANDY!

You should read carefully... "until MOST of this has been recovered". That means nefario isnt thinking that he will get everything back. That sounds at least sane because its probable that it will be this way.

Have seen how many people returned hardly any and he got lucky that he paid one person 250 twice and they returned one of the 250's so yea, i did read

I've still not been paid anything. No emails, nothing.
Not sure how many others have had nothing but silence.

It sounds to me like you arent alone. There are many complaining the same. Nefario only wants to start paying out again when the double payment is back for the most part.

People are still paying back the double payments.

Not that it makes me feel any better, but thanks.

Maybe you feel better when you take a look at the first (updated) post of this thread if you didnt do already. It means that already 17% of the usermoney (if it was 8000BTC in total) was returned yet. So something is moving.

17% in a month? Sounds almost like a Ponzi.

Only time will tell. I think its much to pay out after no more money is flowing in.

Only 17% is REPORTED in this thread, but I'm sure the whole 90% was returned.

There were 8762 BTC returned in two chains: 5000 BTC and 3762 BTC.
The last 1000 BTC of the latter was mistakenly distributed as double payments.


The last example has proven to be of money returned to DeaDTerra:

As you see, Nefario supposedly returned near all BTC of users, but the last 1000 BTC which went to improper people.
So part of the people (~1/9) still got nothing, but they should get their money soon, when most of the 1000 BTC is paid back and Nefario send it again, with proper addresses this time.

I thought its pretty hard to guess how much was paid back because he used some kind of anonymizing chain system with the addresses to pay back. And it sounds a bit strange when really so much is paid back already and only 17% of the payments are noticed here. Seems a bit small. Even though there are many that didnt get payment yet. It doesnt sound to me like a small group. But of course its only a feeling because lack of numbers.

And it doesnt make much sense because of the script that did the double payment. I mean when nefario already had paid back 7762BTC and then is crating a script that is causing 1000BTC to go to users that already got money back... why should he build a script when he was at the end of the list already? It doesnt make sense to create a script when payments are nearly finished.

Care to explain where you have this numbers from? I mean even nefario didnt claim that he already paid back 90% of users money. Which would be a good thing to let go away accuses of he being a scammer regarding the users money.

Disclaimer, I am not here to fight about anything, I am not here to tell you what's wrong or what's right or get into any argument. I am done with that. I am here to share what I have been told by Nefario. If you want to listen, listen if not, I won't force you.

This is the situation described to me by Nefario.
Right now about 50% of the double payments has been sent back.
The script for the payout is still broken and James is working to fix it, so that it doesn't send any more double spendings and so that it takes the double spendings into account.
Nefario, is suggesting that if the double spendings are not returned then your account info will not be included in the asset information/list until the payment is sent back.
He could not give me a ETA but it seems like once the script for the payment is fully function, the rest of the payments should follow shortly.

note:(I am not sure of the actual system of asset claim, if it will be a code system similar to the one Goat was given or if it will be a list of information)

I will answer any questions that I feel like and I will ignore the rest.
//DeaDTerra

Thanks for the update
BitcoinINV

Good idea, I will suggest that next time I talk to him.
//DeaDTerra

Is there any ETA on when nefario will have an asset claim system? This is turning out to be worst-case scenario.

There is no any anonymization, apart of the Bitcoin mechanism itself.
The chain is an effect of using a series of commands to perform the payments - one transaction per a payment, instead of one transaction for a group of the payments.

When you have a transaction identifier of a payment (like at the beginning of this thread) or a blockchain address (like above) of the payment or double payment,
you can quite easily trace at blockchain.info the chain back (where came the money from) or forth (where went the rest to).
Looking at the chain starting from the 1000 BTC you will see there is a row of smaller transactions, where the main quota is getting smaller and smaller, and each transaction forks a smaller amount into different address. When you look at these addresses, you will see that near all of them has received this smaller amount twice: the first time on 16th Oct (from one of the big chains, starting from 5000 or 3762 BTC) and the second time on 18th Oct (from the chain starting from 1000 BTC).
Many of the transactions were confirmed by people here, so I'm convinced I'd guessed it right.

He said he could not give me a accurate ETA and that he's working on it.
//DeaDTerra

Thanks for keeping us posted.

Nef must not be the best of programmers.

Things that should take a couple of hours to script seem to take GLBSE a couple of weeks.

Anyone know what programming language GLBSE used?

Irish!

Nice news. For me another sign that he is sane. He could block but came with a solution.


Ok, thank you for explaining. I know about this transaction thing to connect addresses. Thats why i use electrum now as a wallet.

Oh? This whole GLBSE/NEFARIO situation not cleared up yet? Wow, big surprise. LOL

Suckers...  :D

Just because you recognize a chain of payment it does not mean every fork is a payment for GLBSE users. You are speculating over the expectation that all GLBSE users have being paid in every fork with no evidence whatsoever.

If you verify the taint analysis of few payments declared in this thread, you will realize that such payments does not come from a payment chain.

Near all of the reported payments was done in these chains. I looked at the chains, found a pattern and finally I presented my best guess.
I used phrases like "I'm sure" or "I'm convinced", to show I present my opinion about a very probable event.
To proof otherwise we would have to sum all unreturned BTC (what people are waiting for) and see how big is the total in comparison to ~9000 BTC.

Not all, but most of them. The last 1000 BTC didn't go to proper people, so they have got nothing and are still waiting.

Just a few (I found just the two of Psychotic Boy's payments). Most of the rest are from 3762 BTC chain.
For me, the timing of the chains confirms the returning of the money but it also shows another thing: it is not done fully automatic (like me or many others would do), but rather by a group of commands - many small scripts written by hand. As such it is quite slow and prone to errors.  It worries me. It is not a good sign for successful passing of the assets info to the issuers.

Augusto, you have much greater experience with Bitcoin - do you see here any different pattern?

About the double payments, are you returning the full second payment or you subtract the remaining 10% of your funds.

I've too received double payment  - it's a small amount ~2.10 BTC and I'm willing to return it, but there are a lot of uncertain things around the whole Nefario situation. It would be nice if I receive an email or something from GLBSE with instructions and bitcoin address for returns. 

This is somewhat sickening to hear... That you received a double payment but did not receive any kind of communication from GLBSE asking for it back.  Ugh.

I guess check your spam folder, but if there's nothing in there then it would seem Nefario either isn't aware of all the double payments, or isn't actively pursuing them.  Not good either way.

Just checked that out... Nothing in the spam folder. I'll leave it that way for now and keep you posted if I receive something from Nefario.

2GOOD... nefario claimed in his blog that he is through half of the list of double payments. I interpret it that he contacted half of the users yet. So i guess you will get a mail soon. If not that would be a bad sign indeed if it isnt in your spamfolder too.

Since we did not get a confirmation of the email address we submitted to GLBSE as part of the shut down process it is not inconceivable that people made a mistake entering their email address and hence can not be contacted by Nefario for any double payments they might have received.... or by any Asset Issuer for that matter. I guess it was too much to ask to have a second field with a confirmation of the email we wanted to use.... ???

NO, the case is different.. I've received the 90% email and shortly after that the coins.. so no new emails in inbox or spam/trash/space folder from GLBSE.

Cant believe that I, and so many other people trustet such a moron with so much of our money. Lesson learned.

that's my motto ;)

"Funny" how he doesn't  care to give us any updates. Last we heard from this jackass was 24 oct.. Would it hurt to give at least a single statement a day? I tried sending him desperate emails how fucked I am without that money, guess what, didn't even care to say "i'm sorry".. Has anyone paid this idiot a visit yet?

email yes, no coins.
probably means my open orders were filled OR my coins have been sent elsewhere.

any ideas?

Obviously he is "maintaining his dignity (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121915.msg1322164#msg1322164)".


Yes. The ETA will be disclosed soon.

Ok, I haven't been online in a while but I definitely got a double deposit (0.1 BTC, didn't keep reserves with the glbse), but I haven't gotten an e-mail stating that I did get a double deposit so this is the first I am hearing about. Without an e-mail saying I should give it back, I will wait for further instructions.

If it were a significant amount of money though, I would wait for the transmission of my shareholder info to the issures before I gave it back...

Look here:

But wait...
Judging from http://blockchain.info/address/1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j (http://blockchain.info/address/1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j), Nefario just (a 2 confirmations ago) have started some moves with BTC from this address.
Is he going to make the final payouts now?

Is he?  :o :o :o :o :o

LOL keep waiting....that's the game.  :D :D :D

maybe he just needs to pay his lawyer  ;)

Hope not his phone credit.

Would you explain the relevance of that post for this thread?

Looks like nothing moves again.

This takes way too long. I guess we only have to wait  :-[

Perhaps you dont have to wait. You have been redirect to Cloud Flare error page as his server was shutted downalready

From what email address should I expect to receive correspondence on this matter ?

I've yet to receive any confirmation of completing the account closure process (did this shortly after the shutdown of GLBSE was announced) and I've yet to receive any payments to the address I gave during that process.

I'm most concerned about ensuring my ownership of assets is correctly communicated to the asset issuers.

Dont you get it? You've been ripped off!
Its like waiting for the wallet inspector bringing the wallet back! I said this long ago. Nobody wanted to hear it. Nefario is playing the waiting game and you all play it with him til he is far away and your anger is forgotten to some degree. Cant believe how stupid many in this "avantgard community" are. All working together, right in the beginning, there may have been a chance to get this thing straight. Now that Nefario has made so many fuckups and probably already spent our money with good lawyers, I dont think its worth even be talking about it.

Keep the "stupid" for yourself.  Several thousands BTC have already been returned to community, so one has to be stupid to call it a rip off.

Yes, but nothing has happened since weeks, so honestly, who actually believes that Nevario will pay more users, not even speaking of releasing any asset information. I still hope so, but I don't think so any more.

I'm kinda loosing faith in this too its been way too long and it reminds me of bitcoinica so much  :(

Well in any of those incidents, someone some place has benefited. This, I don't know. Seems to be harming everyone. Nefario has ruined both himself and us. And we don't know for what. I wonder if he knows...

There is no moral reason Nefario can't return shareholder info.

I've written this off as a total loss. After this long It seems very unlikely anyone else will get anything by any other means other than (legal) force, and that seems unlikely to be able to get the desired results. I haven't the funds to mount a legal offensive against James, et al, so it's just a loss.

Nefario seems about as likely to pay as pirate. Of course, since I have to get money back through pirate, then then nefario, then brendio & goat........what are the odds of all that happening?  Laughable, I suspect :D

I'd still be happy to get something back from nefario or the issuers that says I will receive funds if ever there are any funds. It would restore my faith in humanity. XD

I guess it's not over until the CEO cries "theft!" (has he done it & I missed  it?)

"no moral reason" lol. I'm sure there's a lot of concern for that in and around GLBSE. As I'm sure that nefario and pirate (and the likes of usagi) are concerned with the harm they've caused people. Ah well. They've sewn the seeds of their future.

The real "winners" here are the asset issuers who took in lots of BTC, and will never have to pay it back.

Still nothing from nefario on our asset holders -- nor repayment of the 20+ BTC in my account.  >:(

I am now more than ever in favor of illegal force. That is the only plausible way to sort things out around here.

If you find out his address let me know then. I wasnt successful yet. :)

For those who dont know:A month ago I opened another thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117655.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117655.0), trying to gather people and funds to take legal actionas against Nefario. I did not go through with it because there was almost no interest but reading this thread, it seems there actually are some of you that would like to take action. I am still open to pay up to 100BTC of my funds if there are enough people willing to join so that we have enough to seriously do something.

It is possible Nefario got "hit by a bus" as someone already took action. It is one explanation for his lack of communication.

There are reasons this is a plausible scenario.

If that were true, he better start communicating if he doesn't want to get "hit by a bus" again.

What reasons for that scenario do you know, that we don't?

I'm starting to regret that I sent him back the double payments he made in error :/

Me too, I had the feeling this was a mistake the moment I send it. But as I'm like to think of myself as an hones person, I would do it again.

I'm absolutely sure by now, that nothing will come from Nefario. And the first Issuers start collect claims for their shares. As I suspect, that a lot of people will use this orotundity to claim shares they actually didn't have. There will soon be another damage that can't be undone.

I will hold Nefario accountable for that, too. (Not that I can actually do something.)

If he is scared about some government agency reguarding trading securities without a license then it makes sense he wouldn't ever send out the share info.

However, there is absolutely no reason to keep our BTC in the accounts hostage.  I am waiting on ~30 myself.  He obviously had some repayments on the extra coins, though he has yet to send any more out.  What good reason is there to keep these coins?  This is straight up theft.

Watching his youtube videos makes me sick.  He was a real badass until the first sign of trouble, typical internet tough guy.

Nefario obviously cannot be trusted in properly managing a project like GLBSE, why would anyone think he can  handle the funds properly.  He was probably skimming bitcoins from GLBSE and now he is short of bitcoins for the claims process.

I'm as sure of this as I was sure that Bitcoinica owners were behind the several thefts (as was later show pretty conclusively when zhoutong got caught with the LR monies)

I'm nearly certain that nefario has given out all the coins he had "available" to give out. There's no more money being given out because there is no more money. I'm shocked he hasn't staged a "theft" to cover up the loss (theft)

If it were not a crime in the US to advocate the use of physical force, I'd be all about it. It's shocking that I've not heard of anyone solving the pirate or glbse fiascoes with physical force.

I'm pretty fed up with being stolen from with no recourse whatsoever to recover anything. I'm pretty sure I'd kick him in the nuts if I saw him though. I'd be fine with the assault charge.

But, like I said.....he's only holding defaulted assets (and a couple BTC worth of SS shares) of mine, and I don't expect to be able to kick pirate in the nuts anytime soon, either.

Well, we are all pussies. And we all have better things to do. No one has lost their livelihood to these scams.

But effectively, legal threats are also threats of violence. And we haven't even begun submitting official complaints yet.


I think I'd have to hear his side of the story first. However, apparently it won't be possible if we don't go and ask him personally.

Progress has been made.
Seems like James has managed to complete some of the assets list at least :)
//DeaDTerra

I fail to see your argument that legal threats are also threats of violence. If they were, I'd just threaten to shoot people. But, it turns out threatening to sue someone IS legal, and threatening to shoot them is NOT.

I also think you underestimate the amounts of money people had invested in the various scams. PLENTY of people have lost their livelihoods to these scams Seen any of the "long term offers" in the lending section? More than a few people were completely wiped out by these scams.

I'm sure his side of the story has no bearing on whether I'd like to kick him in the nuts. I'd kick him in the nuts for non-communication, not just non-payment! ;)

Alas. I can't afford to travel to James, and kick him, and I can't afford a lawyer (to kick him?) .... So...I'll just hope James wants to repay / sent info....just like I'll hope pirate wasn't a thief, and that there's some money left for the bitcoinica liquidator to distribute. GLWT, huh?

Well, the fact that something is legal doesn't mean it's not violent. They do threaten by physical force, otherwise what's the imperative?


Yeah, but I'm sure many of us can afford to travel. Let's hope it never comes to any extremes. It seems he has started sharing the information.

Haven't been following the GLBSE news much lately, but I was wondering if someone could quickly get me up to date on a question I have:
Are there still people who haven't received their bitcoins back, despite not being an issuer themselves?
GLBSE still owes me bitcoins, and I still haven't received anything back, despite making my claim the day the page was launched...

I still have not received email from GLBSE where to send the excess coins, from the double payment... and my account is not in the list provided to gigavps.

By overpayment you mean take my 100% and send the excess 80%

yay! He listened to my request!

@2Good
Nef posted the adress on the forums. Look up hist last posts.

OK so I'll wait a little more for email from GLBSE.

Thanks

I have just now forwarded the last email (sent to support@glbse.com) to james@glbse.com the subject is Double Payment - clear enough I hope.

I've got that e-mail from the blog. Thank you for that.

@RHA... he already released this address for doublepayments here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1282045#msg1282045

Sebastian, I know about it very well, because it was me who wrote about the doublepayments here and in the e-mail to Nefario the day when they happend,
asked for the address to return, and was the first to use the above address to return the excess of the money.

As one can learn from the lecture of the thread, many people refused to use one address for all because of possible difficulties with differentiating who paid and who didn't.
They requested one address per person. Part of them got own addresses from Nefario by e-mail, but many got nothing. They need to contact him.

I placed here the citations from blog.glbse.com to let people know the good news.

Ok, i thought the post i mentioned didnt contain the address and nefario put the address into this message only lately. Otherwise i didnt think it would be needed to create a blog post to tell that an address will be posted.

How does he know who paid him back or not considering he used a common address for everyone.  What if someone sent it in pieces or returned only 90%, he can't just go by the amount received.

Is this going to be a best guess scenario where people will end up having to prove they sent it?

I wish he would just start paying out with the btc he has received back, there is no reason to hold on to them.  Manually would be best since he seems to have some problems with scripts.

Finaly... thats actualy good news. Will let you know when I have the address and will post the transactions here.

Before busting out the champaign, everyone that thinks they should be on the asset list needs to ask the issuers to check that they are actually on the list.

Actually, since I don't have access to a list of all the assets I owned, I would suggest that it is on the asset issuers to email everyone on their lists to let them know "hey, you're on my list...".

I know I had 10-15 different assets.  I don't have a list anywhere of which ones.  It should not be my job to harass all (50?) of the asset issuers to see if I'm on their lists...

Definitely. Only issuers received such information and can contact holders. Holders might not know what they hold exactly.

This. Some of them have been....reticent...to say the least.

Installing a simple mailing list script to maintain communication with the holders is simple enough. Holders can easily be contacted. I see no reason not to contact holders.

Asset holders has nothing to prove whether they had more or less assets.
& the asset holders have to believe whatever the asset issuers tell.

https://i.imgur.com/E4ObT.png

I received this out of no where.

Gee... Thanks!

This is probably from PureMining, this means you have 75 shares. See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65569.200

http://blog.glbse.com/more-lists-coming-out-tomorrow

I wish I can have my 2fa-lost account unlocked from the 2fa. I have lots of asset in that account.  I have not claimed yet. Ridiculous.

Nefario should send email to everyone who claimed, giving them information about their account blance.

I've received email from James regarding double payment (yes finally) with personal address to send the excess coins.
Transaction made!!! Will let you know when my assets are with the issuers.

.....

ze fuck i didnt receive anything from anywhere so far? -_-

Thanks for telling. So he works on solving things.

For some of the larger holders this may be a problem as a lot of email suddenly coming may get them flagged as spam by gmail/what have you.

WHERE THE HELL IS MY FRICKING MONEY?!

Jezus christ, the lack of communication sucks so hard....

Just be prepared that Nefario will never give your money and asset information. Be prepared a legal war with him.

Still so sure?

Firstly,  as far as I know, your "several thousands BTC" are get from the blockchain record where Nefario seemingly paid money back.  However, the money add up on the forum is much less: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118354.msg1270908#msg1270908

And Nefario is playing the isolating strategy. He is intended to scam fewer large bitcoin savers. Again, no trading records, no proof for dispute.

Pirate40 has returned some of the money in the beginning. In the history, most of the Ponzi schemer with true identity will try return the money in the beginning.  Maybe it is a mix of emotional human nature and rational strategy to win the time to let angry victims calm down and accept the loss that will never be returned.

And I don't think we will lose anything to keep trying prepare for the worst scenario, except that Nefario will take revenge to someone and may accelerate the cash burning ratio of Nefario. But I don't care anymore, if he decided to play evil, then let's just send him to prison. when we not have been succeed, we will make sure that the constantly legal war will make sure his reputation destroyed every where and stay in the state of poverty for the rest of his life.

Still.

Do you expect all GLBSE users would publicly declare themselves here?
Big part of them knows nothing of this thread and many of them want to remain anonymous.
It is obvious the sum of what was published will be much less than what was paid.

Some movement, yesterday Nefario sent my shares to gigavps, now I'm on the list.

So my bitcoins are back and my GIGAMINING shares are at gigavps. I had some ASICMININIG shares, don't know about them.

Just to let you know ;)

Good news!  ;D

http://blog.glbse.com/asset-lists

Had 16 different shares or bonds, 4 of the issuers already answered (not gigamining at this time). So Nefario forwarded the asset information.

But I never got parts of my cash, about 130 BTC. Nefario did not answer on my email.

Same here. I've mailed james@GLBSE.com, but he hasn't responded a single time.
It's pissing me off to be honest. I feel like I'm being treated like dirt, even though I've used his
site many times, essentially making him money. Pffff

same here. 250 BC in the game. why dont you guys join to take legal action?

The last thing nefario stated was that he now will work on payouts again: http://blog.glbse.com/next-steps
And in the last days there were occasional people that got payments from him. So it looks better now than some days before for your bitcoins.

And another week goes by ...

Have you (or has anyone) had any money returned this week?

Nope, nothing received, all emails still ignored.

I got contacted by ABM a week ago. Sould register at bitfunder.


Nothing from the other assets I invested in:/

YABMC now received the "FULL LIST" but sadly I am still waiting for 20+ BTC

All I want for christmas is my BTC back

You forgot to mention which Christmas. It must be year 2012 Christmas.

Hey RHA,

since you are so sure, we all are getting paid, can you give us a timeline?
Anybody heard anything from James in the last weeks? Did anybody else get paid?
When exactly am I allowed to call it a rip off? Only when James oficially states that he ripped us off?
I'd really like your thoughts on that!

Last update on the blog says

"Most BTC has been paid out (small amounts still need to be done), and asset holder list updates will be sent out to issuers tomorrow."


That was Dec 13 titled "Payments made, asset list..."


So I hope he is still planning to make 'small' payment amounts

which people are still owed.


http://blog.glbse.com/payments-made-asset-list-updates-coming-out-t

I am still owed ~20 BTC  >:(

I am still owed 70+ BC. This is defenetely not a small amount. Anyone disagrees?
RHA, can I call it a Ripoff then?

What, still?!

Incredible.