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I have decided a quote that I made in this thread was more respectable in terms of getting my point across. In the original OP, I talked about a user that was constantly talking about Lauda and I basically wanted him to stop. This quote sums it up:




"We need to keep the discussion of other users on their trust rank page. We don't need to start campaigning against other users. We are a tech savvy forum so respectfully, we are intelligent enough to decide for ourselves if we want to associate ourselves with another person. Talking about others who actually don't have anything to do with the way you live your life will just create unprofessional drama such as people feeling offended or people getting into unneccessary arguments. For people so intelligent as us, we are always questioning why sites like this are the laughing stock of the entire internet. Look around you. Scamming, cyberbullying, and so much other negative activity is happening. Bitcoin doesn't have that many chances of survival, so we're going to have to come together as a family and work hard to fight for our currency and our overall reputation. We can't do that if we're diligently trying to tear each other's reputations down inside of Bitcoin. All of that energy that we're using to fight each other is energy we could productively be using to promote Bitcoin.


I don't understand. Just come together instead of fighting each other"



One more thing I wanna say quick...

I don't know too much about what everyone is personally going through, but...I do know that if there's any kind of universal way of making someone feel like they can relate to another human being...it's definitely money. The reality that I learned is that bills being paid are the key to living a physically, mentally, and emotionally healthy lifestyle. If we can't make that without struggling, then we're always going to be unhealthy one way or another. It wouldn't matter if we had money to put a roof over our heads, or a bed to sleep in if you're never even home to be under that roof or sleep in that bed because you're always working to pay for it. It's very ironic. If we're constantly working to make that happen, that's not living. That's almost like dying. Bitcoin could change that. We have to work together to find a way to get the price to stop dropping. At this point, years are passing us by and we still haven't figured out a way to keep the price growing and not dropping. People just seem to be more concerned about things that really never mattered. People here and everywhere else that are affiliated with the cryptocurrency are more focused on tearing down alleged scammers. I'm not against that at all. That's why we have the trust system, and I'm fine with it. What I'm not fine with is the fact that we're spending too much time with that. Sometimes I see 10 paragraph long accusations. Why spend 2 hours tearing someone down when you can spend two minutes putting down your thoughts on a trust rate comment, then spend the other hour and 58 minutes working on a Bitcoin price increasing project? I do not understand.

Stop wasting time. Also, I'm not saying a forum is reliant for the success of Bitcoin. I'm just saying that a better reputation here would probably help Bitcoin a small bit and not hinder it.

If ya can't beat em join em eh?
Just teasing, I completely agree with you.
From my perspective this Fwdxlsh dude is doing nothing much more than running around spouting off heresy against the idealism of crypto that this site my views are much aligned with..

Just a reminder: if my rule actually does go into full affect, then it means the reputation forum is being removed. It's just a playground for trolls anyway.


Proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1182044.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1214854.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1266576.0

He's a troll, a religious right wing nutjob sockpuppet account of someone, I don't know who.   Probably could buy a stack of bibles from him for buttsexcoin.  Don't be fooled.  This is the internet,  where nothing is as it seems.

You are trolling him by saying that, so you just became what you hate.


Good for you, hypocrite. Like I said, this isn't a hate thread for Fwdxlsh. This is a thread to get people like Fwdxlsh to simply stfu about OTHER PEOPLE, because I DON'T UNDERSTAND, OR CARE.

Well, it was interesting having you on the forum.  Take care.

Why would you want it gone? The forum needs that option. If we don't discuss other users, how will we be able to know if they are worth our time? 

WHY?! I'll show you why.


Here you are talking about Lauda in a thread where you prove their contradictions on codishmumu's ban:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263542.0

Here you are making a poll about Lauda:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1268829.0


And here you are making a post in another thread about Lauda but had nothing to do with Lauda?!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.msg13089962#msg13089962


NO.
ONE.
CARES.

I don't hate trolls.  Fwdxlsh is actually a very talented one and I have respect for that.  It adds spice to an otherwise bland nerd soup.

To be honest at first I thought he was definitely a troll. Look at the Mary Magdalene comment he made in codishmumu's thread.

But now I see he's cool. Apparently, he is teaching Japanese without pay. Very charitable member.

Confucius say:  "Good troll sow uncertainty about trolling."

Okay well I understand how you feel, but if others have the right to talk about other users, why can't I have the right.....?

LOL speak in English!!

Because you're a newb.  ;)



Hey can you speak in English? SPEAK IN ENGLISH.

Take a look at your own feedback.
Nobody really care about what you have to say.
Bought account, possible alt of a known scammer.
Take Vod's advice and leave the forum and never come back.
Goodbye.

So because I'm new that it automatically means I'm not allowed to talk about anyone?


And that quote was in a completely separate thread...

Don't worry kiddo. I'm just joking with you but on a serious note, that was a demonstration on why we shouldn't be talking about other members. It just causes unneeded drama. If we really want to make this site look respectable, we need to limit discussing other users to just their trust rank page. We don't need to start making campaigns on why the community shouldn't associate with another user. Respectively, I am sure we are smart enough to decide for ourselves.

I had placed that user on my ignore list a while ago for the many accusations made against them, so I cannot see their advice for OP.


 Even though I am somewhat insulted by this post, I do see where OP is coming from and I do apologize for my behavior. I wasn't trying to start drama though, which OP failed to see. I am disappointed but if OP's idea is placed into affect, it'd probably be for the best.

If someone does something wrong then they deserve to be called out on it. By your logic, the Scam Accusations section should be closed because of users talking about other users.
Also, don't you see yourself being slightly hypocritical by always talking about codishmumu and then calling out others for talking about other users? As you so nicely said:

inb4 'Who asked you?'

But I never namedrop her though. I only talk about her because she's my business partner, but I've never actually said her username so if I don't namedrop, you wouldn't know who I was talking about. This is the only exception so I'm not hypocritical at all.

And like I said in my OP, I said "I USUALLY DONT TALK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE". So you're okay with Fwdxlsh posting about Lauda's contradictions on codishmumu's ban? I thought you hated codishmumu and wanted her killed.


And yeah, who asked you?

So because you don't say their name you're not talking about them? Either way I can see where you're coming from on this; I'm not going to dwell on it.

Why wouldn't I be? If a user has made a contraction or has done something strange they deserve to be called out about it. The subject is irrelevant.

I don't know where you've got this from. I hated what codishmumu posted and the way she acted on the forum, though I doubt I would hate her specifically. I hate very few people, especially not people on the internet. Towards the last bit, please stop trying to make me look like a psychopath.

lel

This is a forum afterall and people can talk about other people even if it's to prove they are scammers, spammers or they contradict themselves but if you feel someone is actually not doing that but instead just being annoying and trolling you can report it to the moderators, trolling is not allowed here so go ahead and report him.

Listen, I am the least confrontational person, and I apologize if anything I ever said to you offended you or upset you. I just don't like it when people cannot simply log into a forum and post what they want to post without feeling like they're going to be threatened or attacked for it. I know I white knight her too much, but she really hasn't done anything wrong. And lets be honest: If she wasn't my business partner, I wouldn't care this much. It is so questionable that people that have been proven to scam are still here, while people like my business partner that have no proof against them as a scammer or a troll or a physical threat get banned.


And like I said, I don't usually namedrop but Xian01 is going around psychotically threatening to KILL people, and he doesn't get banned?


And to think hilariousandco had more energy to have a pretty argument with me than to ban Xian01, and will ironically ban people for saying lines such as "You're Sooo Cuute!!! Aawww" (which I think was codishmumu's last post before being banned.

PROOF THAT XIAN01 THREATENED TO KILL SOMEONE, AND DID NOT GET BANNED. HILARIOUS TRIED TO DELETE THE POST BECAUSE THEY'RE CLEARLY FRIENDS, BUT I WAS ABLE TO CAPTURE THE PAGE.

https://archive.is/IIhLh

He's not trolling.


He's just being controversial.

The Lauda group knows that they are popular. Lauda group appreciates you guys for caring about them.

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Update:
It seems like you do not understand the Lauda group.

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My question is, what does this have to do with the forum itself (i.e. this section)?

I'm going to put this one their trust rank page.

Actually, I can tell you were trying to do good. You were just doing it in a way where you were being controversial. If you're going to support someone like my business partner, you might like to follow their example. (When I say that, I'm not saying that you should post threads in the off topic forum like it's your diary, and post about sex all day long and log in through your phone and post things like "OMG yaaaaaaaaaaay! You're so cutie pie huggie munch! ^________^"). I'm just saying that you might want to know what she stands for.

She doesn't condone violence.
She doesn't appreciate people namedropping others.
And she doesn't appreciate people tearing other people's ideas in helping Bitcoin down.


I'm sure codishmumu would have loved you for sticking up for her, but just know that it's not like she'd condone the way you're doing it. Don't post about Lauda anymore, please. You could potentially be hurting his feelings. If you want to talk about people, do it respectively, and in private. That's all.

Fwdxlsh is right about you contradicting yourself a lot. I am trying to get him to stop talking about you publicly, and you have the nerve to tear down my efforts in helping you?

It hasn't. Same for you, even if I see your views on what is offensive slightly skewed.

Sadly, that's essentially anywhere on the internet. Get used to it I suppose.

As said before, codishmumu was banned due to their insignificant posts on the forum. If they stopped that and stopped taunting staff members that called her out on it they wouldn't have been banned.

It's a joke. (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta)

To be fair there isn't much of a better place that I can think of to put it other than Off Topic.

I think she taunted them because they were making too many accusations without proof. So what if she made silly posts in the off topic? She still posted tons of meaningful ones. If anything, she was trying to be overly nice in her reputation thread, but made it entertaining.


I don't care if that was a joke. It is trolling and offensive either way, so I have placed that on Xian01's trust

I was asked to be searched by a police officer. Since they had no proof I was holding anything I flirted with them until they arrested me. I don't understand why, it was only a joke!

I would like you to link 10 or more of these meaningful posts. She also wasn't banned solely on her posts in Off Topic (AFAIK), though they did contribute a significant portion to her ban.

The internet is srs bsns, right?

Got to say, I'm feeling a bit uneasy about how you suddenly joined and tried to introduce authority here despite being a newbie. Still, innocent until proven guilty I suppose.

My "guilty until proven innocent" Post is half wrong and half true. I do take it back though, but let me explain it this way.


She has proven herself to be a good person. If people didn't like her personally, they should have ignored her..... :'(


I don't think she was flirting so to say. Just being....really silly and entertaining. I feel terrible for calling her a whore. I take it back. I should have used nicer words. Yeah shes....flirtatious I guess, but that doesn't mean that she should be banned. Or maybe it is because there are too many men here for them to be easily manipulated sexually.

A knitting, painting, drawing, sculpting overall designing horny Blasian female psychologist.

I don't really think anyone has that many posts in regards to Bitcoin. Of course, they would have to be "long" to be considered meaningful to most people but here are some posts I've found. (Also since you are going to judge her like that, please show me 10 long meaningful threads you have made in regards to Bitcoin. Also keep in mind that she is a low member rank. She's not legendary. Not even full member yet).






https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1223138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1199258.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1211674.0


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1202719.0


And here's this post from OP in regards to a sweater they handmade for OP.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1253235.0

And here's a quote that she made in some other person's thread that actually upset me. I couldn't believe she would say that. Even after the community treated her the way they did.



Is this really somebody we should not care about? Is this really who you all as a community banned? I feel so bad for her. She went out of her way to hand make artwork and was hoping to showcase it. Now all of her hard work is just thrown away. I don't understand. If you didn't like her, why couldn't you just put her on ignore instead of banning her? She never did anything wrong as far as I know. I went through almost her entire post history and saw nothing wrong. :'(

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641048.240

Codishmumu has a thigh gap per her report.

After that, I could care less whether she gets banned or not. 

Where did she say that?

Women "report" on aspects like that.....?

She did, and there was a selfie she took.  She's nasty looking and is a self-obsessed attention whore.  That's all the words I'm going to write about her.

Show me in private?   :)

This is just like Tom Thumb's Blues...

So, what's the big deal then? We should ban freedom of speech? Who are you Hitler?

No. I just want to keep the discussion of other users on their trust rank page. We don't need to start campaigning against other users.

Respectfully, I can decide for myself if I want to associate myself with another person.

Talking about others will just create unprofessional drama such as people feeling offended or people getting into fights. I just can't take it anymore. And then people want to question why sites like this are the laughing stock of the entire internet. Bitcoin doesn't have that many chances of survival, so we're going to have to come together as a family and work hard to fight for our currency and our overall reputation. We can't do that if we're diligently trying to tear each other's reputations down inside of Bitcoin.


I don't understand. Just come together instead of fighting each other.

Yes. Definitely more respectable. You were coming off very arrogant.

As if I don't always come off somewhat arrogant the first time.

 ::)

Yes I agree. The Scam Accusations forum is filled with dramas everyday if not every hour. The (still small) community of Bitcoin should come together and build a better and greater Bitcoin community. We should help each other out such as mining advice and buying advice but we should not go against each other. This may look like censorship (to others not using Bitcoin) but we are doing it to help the Bitcoin community.

Every time I get a post like this, I'm gonna put the quote front and center in my second post. Hopefully we can get this new rule appealed.

You know, I didn't fully read this until now


That genuinely hurt my feelings, but that is okay. God is good. God is able. He told me to just be a good person and tell you that I still care for you. Anything that you need, I am here for you.

AHAHA !

I scrolled and scrolled and wondered when we would get to it.... codishmumu
Your banned girl-friend who you keep sneeking around posting shit here for.
Like a mole you keep poking up with some new topic to sell her hand made clothes etc.
One topic is not enough.. you seem hell bent on using this place to sell stuff the banned chick makes.

She is nuts by the way.. i already knew that but when i seen her I WANT A MAN I'M HORNY topic i was stunned.
She went on about how she wants to be sexually violated and defiled and tied up and choked etc.
then she went on about her perverted interests and how she is suicidal.

I would bet 1 gazillion dollars her user name here is a reference to her kids name.. Codi
as in Codi's shmumu (mother)
I also guarantee this greek boy ex self proclaimed Toronto street graffitia artist turned Card'er is sleeping with her every night.

I spent some time digging through this guys post history and it screams credit card fraud.

He also started a campaign against me not long ago harassing me that he knew people were out to get me.
I asked to him to stop and kept following me around derailing my topics with "Threats" nonsense.
Then after i told him publicly just call the cops he sent me 3 pm's ..
THAT is why i started looking up his post history.. and seeing a lot of links to his banned GF.

EDIT:
By the way in case it was not clear.. i had not talked to or about this guy or the girl BEFORE he started with the threats stuff.
Once he started with his good samaritan act trying to be hero warning me so desperately i THEN started looking him up..

I am glad that you will feel the need to agree. At first I actually thought it was a bad idea. Now I am noticing it is a good idea.

Well then that's something that will have to be worked on....


I'm just telling you.

So if you are not against freedom of speech you can lock this thread. Your other points are all invalid at this point. People talk shit about other people everywhere and most of the times it's for a reason here in the forum. I don't see anything bad in exposing scammers or spammers, do you?

So if OP is not against freedom of speech....that means OP will lock the thread so that he...can keep people from speaking their mind.....?



Lauda, is that you?

''should we stop discussing other users publicly, and limit the discussion to just their trust rank page?'' Now he says he is not against freedom of speech, he should lock the thread otherwise he is contradicting himself. By the way, trolling, like you do is baneable in this forum, be careful.

The definition of trolling is posting deliberately rude comments on the internet to provoke angry reactions. I've never done that. I would understand if I said "YOU ARE STUPID, ANNOYING, AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING" being considered as trolling.

Me calmy pointing out opinions and facts is not. You on the other hand happen to be too sensitive, which means you at some point will be banned for falsely reporting comments.

The ignore feature is there for a reason. I suggest you use it.

The trust system is set up so that everyone cooperates with those in control of it and fights with every one else for status within it. As long as we have the trust system with default trust there will be 24/7 infighting until this forum is just 4chan with an extensive research library.

....lol.


Such an educated post with a hint of humor. The trust option is fine by me.

Haha nice comeback.

To answer Xin though, I am not against freedom of speech. I am against drama....

If I was against freedom of speech, I would have just told them to remove the trust system all together.

Let's get our definitions right, shall we? ^[1]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trolling


No need to be rude to troll.

On the topic, the trust page is not suitable for any form of discussion. Questionable behaviour can not be argued on it. A reputation thread allows for this. The trust page can not replace reputation threads. Hence, I am against your proposal. Please add my quote to the OP in the against section.  :P

^[1]_{Are you provoked yet?}

Might as well call anyone you don't like a troll because if they say something to you that you don't like, yeah, they're a troll to you.

I am pretty sure you still talk about people anyway, which I told you not to do because you don't have much trust here. Only specific people can get away with doing that. There is no rule book here, so it's about posting things that are going to make you liked. If you're not liked, you cannot do certain things.

To reply to the topic title..
There shouldn't be any here at all.
It should all be done out in the real world.
Being a pathetic shill at Bitcointalk.org accomplishes nothing.
We only need Facts here.. not upbeat happy advertisements.

There is good and bad and it is embraced or your being dishonest.
Take an Exchange i won't name for example..
If there is large evidence your coins will not show up if you send them to the exchange
should you say something maybe and warn others ?
Well, that would be negative and FUD and will of course get you banned.

You can't just prance around the Altcoin scene skipping along pretending problems do not exist.

Arb'ing coins got so dangerous loooong ago i quit doing it.
I kept getting burned when my coins did not show up.
And today it's waaay worse !
Now it's typical for users to be happy they got *some of their coins.
Something is fatally wrong with the Altcoin scene.
If exchange to exchange transfers have gotten that bad i'd say we have a HUGE problem.
But you can't bring it up anywhere with out being labeled a Troll FUD'ing.
The knee jerk reaction is to call people a liar until THEIR coins are gone.
Many guys said they figured the Cryptsy complaints were FUD by Trolls as the Cryptsy staff claims.
then later they said they changed their mind after seeing the problem first hand.

At what point do you guys start to care for new users coming in ?
Rather than cheerleading for an exchange or coin or dev etc ?
If you all cared about this stuff like you claim you would be looking after the noobs coming in..
Not preying on them.

At this point, I don't really believe Bitcoin will have a chance. We need to work together, and not against each other. I'm so tired of working 7 days a week, for 50 bucks a day. That's not gonna pay anything. Yes I'm still in school and still young, but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to worry about my future, or our future as the Bitcoin family. My business partners are always worried about the overall reputation, and behavior like this is not how we're going to get a price increase. The media is always against us, so it doesn't make a sense to go make matters worse to the point where we're even against each other. If you suspect someone is a scammer, that's fine. Put it on the trust rank page. Just don't make a campaign about it. The currency already looks negative in the eyes of the public. You are all just making it worse.

The behavior of users on this forum will have a minor or no impact at all to the success of Bitcoin. What you say here is not going to change how people act on the internet (i.e. this is not forum specific).

That's incorrect in my humble opinion.

Basically, you're mad because we couldn't be less interested in her/his/your gawdy knick-knacks and infantile forum behaviour?




Good.

There's a lot of places on the internet where people congregate and talk about Bitcoin, this one being only one of a few. Even if this forum went to shit and/or shut down, people would just move to a different site and continue as they were previously. This forum is insignificant on the future of Bitcoin because of this, same as a forum about the Russian Ruble would be insignificant on the progress of the Ruble its self.

The success of Bitcoin is not dependent on this forum. Most of the important players do not waste their time on forums/reddit (unless some AMA event/other). Besides, Bitcoin should not be based solely on 2 communities.

I propose an alternate solution: You leave these forums, and never post again.

This is not a place for special snowflakes like yourself.

That's incorrect to me. This is the most popular forum for Bitcoin, created directly by Satoshi with half a million users registered.

Not souly. Superficially. Our superficial reputation is not in the best place as of now, so.

It is better for people to troll in a specific subform, so that they will not troll every where in the forum. People want to show who is right.

Wrong. More than half are probably bot/shill accounts. The exact numbers are debatable. I doubt that there are only 168k shills/bots (668 613 total members ATM). It is highly likely that the number of such accounts is very.

I could care less (is what people making things happen would say). They don't care if you get butthurt here or don't (I doubt anyone cares). It is the internet, either deal with it or stop using it.

Or take this piece of advice; it works best.

Yes and the news are also watched by millions of people yet when they say killing or raping is bad, guess what, killing and raping still happen because people who do those things don't give a shit, same concept applied here

Yes but the US economy isn't going to implode if wells fargo goes bankrupt.  Bitcoin is way bigger than bitcointalk.

I don't want to assume anything here, so I will just ask. Are you implying we're never going to reach some sort of humble and civil compromise? We are a tech savvy forum. We are one of the most intelligent people on the internet. I am sure we can come together at some point. I just don't know when. It has to be soon though, because 6 years has already passed us by.

True, but we still do play a part in the reputation of bitcoin. It may not be huge, but it is still a part. All positions matter.

But bitcoin is far more resilient than that, and if this forum got shut down bitcoin would still be standing.  And it is certainly likely that anyone looking to get into bitcoin could do so and never even know this cesspool forum exists, and even if that's not the case, you're not giving people enough credit.  They can judge bitcoin independently of bitcointalk.org.

If Bitcoin's future depends on one forum then it'll never get anywhere anyway. It has to grow far beyond what one community contains.

How many android users visit or are even aware of the major forums? A very small fraction and I don't think its future hinges on a bit of cat fighting between two or even three anonymous nobodies.

You are attempting to make it seem that I am suggesting that a forum is reliant for the success of Bitcoin. I never said that.


It just seems like an excuse for people to continue on with the way they function in this forum. What I did mention was that it could help the reputation of Bitcoin for some if we could better the reputation here.

That's hard to disagree with but I'm amazed this place isn't more toxic than it is when you combine disruptive tech, scamminess, anonymity, scepticism and the potential financial stakes. Strife and drama will always be a feature of something of this nature and respecting others, or the total lack thereof, will forever be a casualty. This joint is just a reflection of human nature.

Does anyone know what the tl;dr of this thread is?

Does the OP need more vagisil?

Kind Regards
Panthers52

tl;dr: OP is a special snowflake that has difficulty facing the world outside their safe-space.

Has anyone considered calling in their prescription to CVS and have their vagisil mailed to him in India? Maybe that would cut down on the drama a little bit

You and I must venture to the deep confines of this forum so that you may see what is really brewing up.

I'm not sure if trolling or serious.

I cannot speak for Mr. Gr33k, but I do believe he's dead serious.  His age as per profile info is 22.  Don't know about anyone else here, but I was overemotional and supersensitive at that age and thought I could influence people a lot more than I actually could.  Now I'm an old troll.  Life just did not turn out the way I thought it was going to.   :(

The definition of a troll is someone that posts deliberately offensive comments to get offended reactions.

I do not believe I have done that in this post. No matter. If you are offended by me, just ignore me I suppose. I'm not hurting anyone.

We are somewhat getting off topic.

People these days. Am I right. Why do we have to do this to each other? We should all come together to make a stronger and happier Bitcoin community. Stop campaigning against each other and instead join forces.

I'm gonna throw this in the "people on board" list if you don't mind. Thank you kindly.

Whats the Problem :) calm down and smoke some Pot  ;)  :D
No anyweays guys maybe u check out calm.com

regards
DavieT1337

Now seeing that you were serious.. No I'm sure we will never come together at some point. Has that ever happened anywhere in the world? No, there is always going to be at least 1 crazy person that fucks up everything. People have different opinions even if one of them is the correct one, the other part thinks their opinion is the correct one and so on..

It has happened several places. It has taken very little effort, but a ton of time to actually come to that conclusion.