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http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/

Just more mindless speculation. I can't believe that after the big, BIG fail these guys made last time with the poor old japanese man, they are still trying to play inspector gadget.

I think it's impossible that only one person can develop and thinking "all aspects" of this software/protocol.
by the way a genius with 4 hands at least!

This story makes sense.

Up until now, I've accepted an assumption that Satoshi Nakamoto, whomever he was, is probably dead.

However, after reading that article from Wired, I'm certainly willing to consider the possibility that Mr. Craig Steven Wright could either be Satoshi or could have been part of a small team of people that worked together in the creation of Bitcoin.

I'm not 100% convinced yet, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to consider the possibility.

That was Newsweek, but Wired did have a massive Bitcoin-based fail in, I believe, late 2012; they branded Bitcoin "expired". The rest, as they say...

I think even if he would step up and say "I'm Satoshi Nakamoto", a lot of Bitcoiners wouldn't believe it.

Furthermore, some may see him as a threat. In the few years Bitcoin exists, some Bitcoiners took Satoshi's paper as some kind of techno-bible: "But Satoshi wrote..." Just imagine how their world may shake if Craig Steven Wright could say something differing from what's in the paper...

But most of all: Funny how Michele Seven would have made a fool out of herself...

My initial reaction to the evidence that Wired presented is that Wright is trying to make it appear as if he is Satoshi. Wired even mentioned that some of the blog posts were apparently edited as recently as 2013/2014 which makes me skeptical that they were actually written/posted when they claim to be posted.

This could mean that he is trying to slowly reveal that he is satoshi in a way that will result in him not being thought of a god, or have significant influence in Bitcoin and it's further development. It could also mean that he is attempting to impersonate satoshi.

Interestingly enough, it seems that the price of bitcoin is increasing by several percentage points in recent minutes, although I cannot say for sure if this is related to this story or not.

Wait, I thought it was just another bitcoin CEO :(

Well as the title implied there's no clear answer but it's an interesting read for sure. Banksy's identity is the only similar case that comes to mind, although that one I think was more or less confirmed.

Very interesting read, I will keep a close eye on this and do some research of my own..

Now we have to wait and see if this will be another story of Dorian Nakomoto. We still have not enough hard evidence pointing towards Wright.
His background is one thing but so they said about Dorian. But I gotta say that all facts presented by Wired seems pretty convincing so far.

One question which is yet unanswered: Nobody seems to have known him, but nevertheless, he was invited to the Vegas-conference. Why? Why was he invited, when the other participant's socks were of more interest to Michele?

the real killer that made the story not plausible is that the real satoshi didnt have 1.1million bitcoins.
wired didnt realise that not only satoshi, but hal finney and a few others were actually mining and debugging it right from the start.. meaning there is far less than 1.1mill bitcoin associated just with satoshi.. plus satoshi lost quite a few privleys when changing the wallet/privkey storage mechanism.. thus the real satoshi definitely wont hold 1.1mill coins

 and so a PDF saying that wright had 1.1mill bitcoins are stored in a legal 'tulip trust'.. is just wrong, and thus bursts the speculation bubble and makes me think that Wright is just trying to pretend he is satoshi for some 'five minute fame'

so im not convinced.. the story kinda fell apart when magically all this info was 'leaked'.. yea i think wright released fake emails to start speculation.

Ah true, that was newseek, but anyway, almost all mainstraem media has pulled up wrong information, if it's not the "let's guess who satoshi is", then it's "CEO of Bitcoin suicided" or "CEO of Bitcoin in jail" or whatever. These guys are a joke.

Tottally agree. Very accurate arguments are presented in the article!

No. Wright is impersonating Satoshi in order to get attention (very dangerous, BTW). All of the "evidence" makes far more sense in that light.

Didn't understand what you meant.

BTW, do you guys think this "revelation", false or true, helps to explain the recent rise in bitcoin price??

Are you stating this as fact or opinion?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-80Thi-ZNtwJ:gse-compliance.blogspot.com/2007/01/images.html+&cd=4&hl=tr&ct=clnk&gl=tr

This can't be faked easily. Wright has something with the creation of Bitcoin.
http://i.hizliresim.com/6qvWjl.png

Yes, this is true. I think that Satoshi has less than 500k.

Also, AFAIK Satoshi never used satoshin@vistomail.com. Only satoshi@vistomail.com. (And actually his main email was the gmx one which was later hacked.) So wright easily could have registered this email via AS. Though pgp.MIT.edu does no email verification anyway, so he might not even have it.

The blogs are clearly fake.

It would be a weird coincidence if not. The story was published 4:25, and at about this time, the rise started.

Listening to his rather impassioned response at 48:17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LdvQTwjVmrE#t=2897) in the video, he certainly sounds like he was either in at the ground floor, or possibly even responsible for some influence over Bitcoin's design.  But as intriguing as speculation might be, let's leave Satoshi be, whoever they are.  After giving the gift of Bitcoin to us, the least we can do in return is respect their right to privacy.

That's just some blog. Anyone can make blog posts with fake dates. The Google cache is from 2015

Satoshi or not...it's clear Dr. Wright has been in it from day one. If it's him good on him, he certainly has the intelligence and privacy based psychological makeup to introduce something fascinating enough into this world to merit attention at this level. By that I mean a worth while idea that billions of humans can test out. True or false a simple binary response. Bitcoin works or it doesn't. So far so good.

I'm interested in his Bitcoin banking ideas. Bitcoin in so many ways is the path of least resistance in terms of moving money. Bitcoin banks as a place to flex the possibilities of individuals btc holdings is inevitable IMO.

After reading the article and now looking back at the video does seem like he could be Satoshi given his responses. Seems he is alluding to himself as the billionaire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE

I don't think anyone knows for certain exactly how many bitcoins Satoshi would have.  It could be less than 1 million, but it also could be more.  Sure Hal Finney did some mining early on, as did others, but a significant amount of the mining to keep the system running was Satoshi.  There have been efforts to analyze the structure of early blocks and make educated guesses about which were mined by Satoshi, which were mined by Hal, and which were mined by others.  Satoshi could have continued mining long after he stopped communicating and if he's alive, he certainly could be mining with ASIC today.


I don't recall reading about that.  Can you please link to the post where Satoshi says that he lost some of his private keys?


He might.  He also might hold more.  Or less.


Maybe it's wrong.  Maybe it's right.  Do you have conclusive evidence about whether or not a "Tulip Trust" exists? If it does exist, do you have conclusive evidence about what it has (or doesn't have) control over?  If it does control the private keys to any bitcoins, do you have conclusive evidence of how many?


That's certainly possible.  I'm not convinced that Wright is Satoshi, but there's enough there to make me wonder about it.  The whole "Tulip Trust" thing very well could be a hoax, but there's still enough there without that to keep me wondering.

What evidence do you possess to make this claim? While I've not paid attention in several years, I found the simple increment in the nonce analysis to be quite persuasive.

Seems as if he is involved in this company:

http://www.demorgan.com.au/ (http://www.demorgan.com.au/)

So after the wired-story, I'm sure the IPO will be pretty successfull...

He's dreamy. I think he'd make a good husband.

I cannot confirm nor deny these claims

Its so easy to prove that he is satoshi. Just move his coins or use his private keys to sign some messages.

It could very well be, I always believed that it was a small team.



Hahahah that is brilliant.

It is generally trivial to create trust documents that creates a trust. On legalzoom, it costs (http://www.legalzoom.com/personal/estate-planning/living-trust-overview.html) roughly $250 to create the documentation for a living trust. I suspect the trust described in the article is slightly more complex then what legalzoom can offer, however that should give a starting point as to how much it would cost to create such a trust. I would concede that the trust does exist in one way or another.

There are a couple of key points to the trust:

• The coins must remain in the trust until the year 2020
• Wright can borrow against the bitcoins held in the trust for....."to help Bitcon" (this is what the article said in a nutshell)
• The article seems to imply that Wright has the right (no pun intended) to assign his interest in the trust to others

It is also important to note that a trustee has a fiduciary duty to the trust that the terms of the trust are carried out. This means that he has a Duty of Care (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_of_care) of the trust's assets, which generally means to insure the non-cash assets against loss, and to invest the trust assets prudently (to protect the trust's assets). The fact that satoshi's coins have not moved since they were mined (for the most part) means that it is extremely unlikely that the trustee has exclusive control over the private keys that "hold" the ~1 million (or whatever amount) bitcoin that is claimed to be held in the trust. To give this person the absolute benefit of the doubt, it is possible that the trustee generated a large number of private keys, calculated the corresponding addresses, and provided those addresses to satoshi/Wright to have the coinbase transactions be sent to when he was mining -- even this theory can be debunked, at least in part by the fact that satoshi did spend some of his bitcoin while he was still around, as well as the fact that it would make little sense to go through that much hassle over something that he realistically had no way of knowing will be as successful as Bitcoin has become.

Another interesting point is that the article implies that Wright can assign/pledge portions of his interest in the trust to others. As implied above, the trust does not have full control over the bitcoin it is supposedly holding, so it would be impossible to perfect any interest in the trust......it would still however be easy to argue that the coins cannot move because "they are held in trust" but I can sell you 50,000 BTC to be delivered to you in 2020 in exchange for 10,000 BTC today. If this trust does actually exist, it would not be difficult to draw up a legal document assigning a 5% stake in the trust, although it would be far from certain that the beneficiaries will ever receive anything come 2020.

tl;dr - this smells a lot like a scam to me.

hmmm, not sure what to think of this but most likely not.

48:17! Hell, I'm still tryin' to get over the up-to 2:00 mark. Ms Seven just went into detail 'bout pretendin' to be Darla of Our Gang wetting her silk panties due to being in company of "greats" which includes Mr. Wright on the screen as part of the "greats" broadcasting remotely, when all of a sudden she stops he's introduction asking him who the hell he is.  ::) ::) ::)

Prior to reading down to the video link on the Wired article, I couldn't shake the truism that Nick Szabo never seem concerned about how his prior research was woven into Satoshi' white paper, then was taken aback to see him on the panel discussion, now paying attention to his mannerisms during the exchange, the first being a face palm after the "Who the fuck are you?" (paraphrased) question by Ms Seven-cum-Darla.

So it will probably fall all the way back if it turns out to be a hoax, right?

(let me sell my current reserves then LOL).

it seems legit! i dont know either but this man has something to do with the creation of bitcoin for sure

It never ceases to amaze me how much discourse and supposition can be posted - before even reviewing all the facts.  My suggestion for everyone interested i this subject is to go to that link, and WATCH every minute of that 1 hour and 15 minute video conference.

I think there were three main takeaways I saw coming from him (although there was more).....

1) Craig Steven Wright (Satoshi???) repeatedly stated that people are missing the big picture, and said it looked like he was soon going to be releasing more white papers to advance some things.

2) He talked about the ability to add Turing language capability as a layer in bitcoin functionality (don't know if I got the erminology exactly correct - but the concept of Turing level capability - similar to Ethereum - was promoted, and more info suggested to be forthcoming)

3) He is currently operating the world's 15th largest Supercomputer, and directly referenced it on the Top 500 list and specifically identified it as "COIN / TULIP", with a larger one soon to be unveiled.  He indicated for the past years he has been using that Supercomputer to run bitcoin scalability models.  In a reference to Banks attempting to continue to pursue private Blockchains, he made a direct comment that HE ALONE had enough computing power to break them.  He didn't say it as a threat - just as a realistic attempt to make a point that it was an unrealistic scenario basically doomed to never realize the potential of what they wanted to achieve.

MY COMMENT ON VALIDITY OF CLAIM:  IF Wired got their facts correct that they published, their conclusion that Wright = Satoshi is very highly probable as being correct.  Also, his demeanor, knowledge and command of the topic - in a panel of very big names - was impressive.   I would say that "Satoshi is back" but in reality it looks like he has been pounding away on his Supercomputer for the past 2 years playing out scalability models.  A more correct analysis MIGHT be that "Satoshi has returned to shepherd Bitcoin to it's next level".  He's been working quitely behind the scenes in preparation for this time we find ourselves - the inevitable crossroads.  

My opinion for what it is worth, and I think things just got very interesting and I think a lot of bankers just got very nervous.

Peace,
- david

Uow man. I confess I still didn't watch the full video, but your comments made me shiver. By the recent rise in btc price, it's arguable that this breakthrough would pump the coin to higher price limits...

What an amazing revolution! Feels good to be alive.

Satoshi would put himself endanger when exposed and he knows this very well so this name as we all know isn't real. God knows the real Satoshi might have been in a remote island enjoying the sun, sipping coconut juice beside the shore, no worries about privacy and security.  ;D

What? you dont know but then throwing "for sure "

Makes your whole post worthless pile of shit

Satoshi would not make an appearance at a Bitcoin "Scaling" Conference.
Especially where he uses his real name and shows his appearance on video,
when originally, Satoshi went through hoops to hide that information.

Satoshi is dead. This man is not Satoshi.

This whole thing smells like a government operation.

. In my opinion, Dr. Wright or a certain group of ppl is somehow in control a large bitcoin fund thats believed to be Satoshi's. This story is to made them look more legit under the eyes of the law.

I hope Bitcoin community is smart enough not to believe "leaked" documents as facts.

Ps. if my theory is true, that means Satoshi's dead and his coins are now in control of these scammers.

I am ~3 minutes into reading and it is amazing, there is a chance he is the real Satoshi.

It's a no.

https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286883.0

That would be huge if they would find him.
But this is hoax :| he is wannabe nakamoto.

"That million-coin trove—The Tulip Trust—is the same size as a mysterious bitcoin fortune that’s long been visible on bitcoin’s blockchain and widely attributed to Satoshi Nakamoto..."


"Tulip Trust"?
....umm, that name is a cause for instant concern, yet very amusing at the same time.



BTCBTC
"A few hours later, we received another, even more perplexing message from the same account. “The nature of this moniker is selected for a purpose. I now have resources. This makes me a we now. I am still within that early phase of learning just what my capabilities happen to be. So, even now with resources I remain vulnerable,” it read. “You seem to know a few things. More than you should.”

When we responded by describing the three blog posts that showed Wright’s clear connection to bitcoin’s creation and asking again for a meeting, he gave a revealing answer. “Although we all desire some level of credit, I have moved past many of these things,” read his response from the same Tessier-Ashpool account. “Too many already know secrets, the world does not need to know."  (from the OP article)


First, he makes no effort to hide his "release" of Bitcoin, and now it is a secret "the world does not need to know"....?
 

PGP sign or its not true. Satoshi seemed humble, he doesnt look like
We will see

He's married.

Is your son Matthew Neal Wright, formally living in South Korean but now living in ... (yes, I know where he's bloody well at)?

His amazon wish list shows hes a joke

Also please read his Linked profile..... OMG LOL

There's more here: http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

That's quite an interesting read, more detailed than Wired

So apparently Craig sold 1.1 million BTCs back in Sept 2011 for $100,000 and was trying to form a secret Bitcoin trust in the Seychelles
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

I watched video twice and agree with your take. His Twitter account and blog have both been deleted.

One of my favorite parts of that article:
"Last year, Wright publicly announced his plan to establish the “world’s first Bitcoin bank.”".

World's First Bitcoin Bank? Gee Wizz Satoshi...

What happened to people being their own banks?
Hey Satoshi, can you hold my private keys for me too?

https://www.facebook.com/hotwirepegroup/info/?tab=page_info

http://web.archive.org/web/20131103021215/http://www.hotwirepe.com/

Looking for Dr. Wrights whitepapers... http://panopticrypt.com/knowledge_scadawhitepaper.html

This is just some wild theory sprouted of someones head like a plant. This is just mindless speculation

mindless speculation? Did you even read any of the evidence?

Doubters should be encouraged to prevent any one person from having too much influence.

Personally I don't gamble (owning bitcoin is NOT gambling) but someone should put up a bet

Dr. Craig Wright will prove to be Satoshi on or before the expiration of the Tulip Trust.

I read the article and I`m quite surprized. I think we got satoshi nakamoto.

Profile:
-Scientist ✓
-IT & crypto background ✓
-Libertarian principles ✓
-Introverted personality ✓
-In bitcoin for a long time ✓
-Is trying to cover up the fact that he is long in bitcoin and doesnt talk much about that ✓
-He is smiling always and is looking pressured in the interview + body language ✓
-Has lots of coins ✓
-Was in e-mail contact with satoshi and the other crew ✓
-Too many secrets that he cant explain ✓
-Tries to keep low profile ✓
-Very experiences in cryptocoins ✓

Yes i must say the evidence points that he is satoshi or part of satoshi, if a group.

http://web.archive.org/web/20150212142126/http://hotwirepe.com/our_team.html

Very interesting page. 

I bet you all those people are the group who makes up Satoshi Nakamoto

Nope, Ramona Watts is his current wife.


He also happens to have a Master’s degree in Mathematical Statistics

Very interesting

That old recovered webpage comment he made....

"Some good coders on this. The paper rocks.  http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf"

Has the bitcoin team been discovered?  

Team Bitcoin???? >>>> http://web.archive.org/web/20150212142126/http://hotwirepe.com/our_team.html

Most likely there were a group of people behind bitcoin, Not a single person. In my opinion he may have been one of the developers but, Satoshi isn't a single entity in my opinion.

Why would the real Satoshi ever take the risk of going public?

How would Satoshi ever spend a bitcoin without?

If he is Satoshi, he should always publicly deny it as if it is an ongoing joke. If he's turned his bitcoin stash into a trust and assorted companies, he becomes we.

Back in the day, Satoshi on this forum had no qualms with mybitcoin.com.

Great point. Wright just doesn't sound like Satoshi did.

Wright doesn't, but Kleiman... might...

Well there's the damage to his reputation.

Interesting News Story.  Here's the link, and excerpt.

BACKGROUND:::
http://web.archive.org/web/20150212142126/http://hotwirepe.com/our_team.html#exec
Dr. Craig Steven Wright
Chief Executive Officer
Dr Craig Steven Wright is the founder and CEO of HotwirePE.
Prior to the creation of HotwirePE Dr Wright has held several senior executive positions with companies focused on digital forensics and IT security.   Dr Wright currently serves as the Executive Vice President of Strategy Development for the Centre for Strategic Cyberspace + Security Science (UK) since 2012, with a focus on collaborating government bodies in securing cyber systems.

STORY:::
 http://www.pubacct.org.au/features/technical-advice/why-bitcoin-is-a-nightmare
* look for excerpt quote about halfway down page.

EXCERPT:::  
"In January 2014, Sydney-based Nudge Accounting announced it would accept payments in Bitcoin. In February, Sydney-based web technologies company, Hotwire PE, announced plans to establish the Denariuz cryptocurrency bank, backed by a reserve of 100,000 Bitcoin, although it has yet to secure an APRA licence."


Craig's got some bitcoin :)  At least 100,000 Bitcoins.  All keeps fitting together.  

And VERY INTERESTING the level of entertwinement with global governments.  I'm done for the night, but I'd say this is a pretty fascinating fellow.  Researchers will most likely find it beneficial to look into www.hotwirepe.com.

Really really wierd ending to my day :)  This $hi+ is getting ready to get VERY interesting.  Can't wait to wake up tomorrow and see where this heads.

Peace,
- david

Pic before the raid:

http://thumbs.cdn-ec.viddler.com/thumbnail_2_d815e09_v2.jpg

Pic after the raid:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/6d2983a297ae4fbff4e3a5aa0bd4feb247c21ce9/0_102_2448_1470/master/2448.jpg?w=700&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=6d8b00cacc05affd17a21c3004a35115

Either agents in Australia are extreme careful to not mess anything up while conducting raids unlike what we see here in the States, or we're being played.

EDIT: Just read the article and have concluded we're being played.

The first image was taken mere hours prior to the second image taken after the raid, and all them bully agents opted not to touch the ladder and toy. Hell, I'm willing to bet they didn't even ruffle the leaves on the driveway in front of the garage door when they all made entry.

Wow - we are talking global financial stuff.  If they did what they did to Snowden - what might they do to Wright?

when the Dorian Nakamoto story broke, someone posted from an old Satoshi account on another website, i can't remember which one, but they stated that they weren't Dorian. Can anyone else remember this? If Wright was Satoshi then surely he should be able to post again from that account and prove it, or hopefully a new denial will be posted soon. This wasn't to do with his hacked email.

edit: found it!
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A52186

so if he or one of his team is Satoshi then all they have to do is post from that account, but they haven't. If trying to claim they are SN then that would be a very easy way to gain credibility

Look like they are very close to finding him... This wright guy might be the creator of bitcoin. Mindblowing!

More proof that it's fake: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w07lq/blockchain_scale_tests_by_alleged_satoshi_340_gb/cxsfhxb

Where did Satoshi claim he wanted Privacy formally ?
He disappeared not saying anything.. how do we jump to conclusions based on that alone ?

It blows me away how often i have seen your comment posted.

How do you all know he didn't want to me found one day ?
Maybe he has left us all clues and is playing a game to see who is smart enough to find him ?
Maybe he littered BTC around the world with clues as a game ?
Each hint comes with some free BTC LOL

Bitcoiners love one thing more than speculating.. assuming things and jumping to conclusions ROFL
..yeah that was 2 ;)

EDIT:
Many of you have made good points and i agree it does not seem like this guy is the real deal.

Whether he's Satoshi or not Wright's house in Australia was raided by police today, and I imagine they might arrest him or want to talk to him about whatever the reason for the raid was. I don't think he will have much time for posting stuff on the internet until he has dealt with the police raid.

Here's another dude on this forum who claimed to be building the largest bitcoin miner in the world complete with a power plant to power it right here in the US: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159164.0 Gotta love John Fitzpatrick. He's the real deal! HAHAHA

he could have posted from it anytime since the first time that Wired contacted him, to prove to them, he didn't have to post from the moment the story hit the press, he's had plenty time to do it.

ugghhh  ::)

He can buy an Army to protect him if he has a quarter billion dollars usd.

WOW way to jump to conclusions.

Let me guess.. USA CIA agents will kill him if he shows his face right ?  ::)

I was going to PM you and tip you off on this.. figured it would be in your wheel house ;)

Reading the transcript... appears that there are people, specifically regulators, who have known he's Satoshi (if he is Satoshi).

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644012-20140218-Transcript-Redacted.html

The document specifically mentions a private wallet of 55,000 coins... it seems to me that he's being totally cooperative and upfront. The 'investigation' is simply because they are almost clueless how to treat it... money, commodity, or intellectual property.

Can of worms it is.

Well the police have raided his personal residence so there's no reason for burglars to break in.

https://www.getbitcoin.com.au/bitcoin-news/worlds-first-bitcoin-bank-opening

Hell, let's bring Our Gand here from over at the Cryptsy thread to weigh in starting with Hippy. If nobody objects, I'll play Darla.  :P :P :P

Lol, in the transcript they call it Mt Cox  :D

OHHH COME ONE this line...


WOW that is some mighty convenient part to the news story. ROFL
this reeks bad.. he has a story thrown up on the web to confirm he fled and is missing now eh ? HAHAHAH
What a crock of shit !

This raid story seals it for me.. the guy is pure bullshit.

EDIT:
I keep reading and i see this..


Aussie FBI Gman and Satoishi ? ..he's just a 007 Bitcoin super hero... *allegedly ROFL

This is an excellent point regarding the absence so far.

Could anyone recommend me good articles about the impact of all this revelations in bitcoin value?

Fud first, questions later  :P

Please, explain that to us mortals. What is that red descending line?

It will be good media for Bitcoin, but i dont believe this guy actually is Satoshi Nakamoto. Also, i like idea to Satoshi stay anonymous, it give some mistery to Bitcoin and also, Satoshi deserve to have his privacy.

http://insecure.org/search.html?q=craig+wright

This guy doesn't read like Satoshi to me.

Also, he had an email in the hackingteam leak.

https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/?q=cwright&mfrom=&mto=&title=&notitle=&date=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=0#searchresult

I just finished reading the news and watching the seminar. Having a pretty unknown face in a all star panel is a bit suspicious. He even pretty much gave it away with the smirk on his face when he explained who he was. Wired has done some pretty heavy research about this. However a signed message is all I need to be 100% sure. I know he's the one but if he chooses to stay private, we should respect his privacy. He is a god after all.

That was not the Bitcoin Scaling Conference. It was the Bitcoin Investor Conference in Las Vegas.

if the the pumper waits until it hits $450 he will dump for $80,000 profit

EDIT:
The kicker is the "Plans" for BTC the guy said.. he is playing games.. Turing Complete ? LOL
just a facade for a pump & dump..

In the Tax Collectors transcript they are having trouble figuring out if a large send from one wallet to another, as proof that he controlled a certain amount of coins is a taxable event or not.

I actually like Satoshi more now that I know who he is. He's been upfront from the beginning. With us, with the tax collectors, with everyone. He left because he didn't want to become too influential. When he left his 'other interests' were bitcoin related (mostly).

HODL to the Moon baby!!!

I just rechecked, you are correct.
The fact, this was at an "investing' conference, makes me think this is Satoshi even less now.

I'm not great with whois, but does this mean that Craig Wright registered www.bitc01n.net in 2013 ?
If so I can't really see Satoshi registering and holding a pointless empty domain like that

nl .wsgiga.com/bitc01n.net

"This is the list of name servers that are used to manage bitc01n.net domain name.
ns4.whois.com. craigswright.acm.org."

Registrant Name: C Wright
Registrant Organization: C01N

C01N is linked to:

angpow.net   2013-12-04   publicdomainregistry.com
bitc01n.net   2013-10-04   publicdomainregistry.com
c01n.net   2013-10-05   publicdomainregistry.com
b1tc01n.net   2013-10-04   publicdomainregistry.com
ang-pow.com 2013-12-04   publicdomainregistry.com

so he registered 2 bitcoin domains in 2013 and from everything i read i really don't think it is him

Please include the comment after by Joseph VaughnPerling... 'both of these gentlemen are correct'

https://youtu.be/LdvQTwjVmrE?t=19m55s

Id say he's more likely Thomas Nasakioto, creater of ixcoin, copy of bitcoin.

He's going to have a lot of attention flooding towards him in the coming months. All of which he wanted to avoid all this time. Bitcoin is like a child to him, so he basically couldn't leave it out of his sight. He even went as far to say that etherium has too many bells and whistles and bitcoin could achieve that as well with a much simpler core. Would love to see  him and Vitalik debate together. We know that our god would win.

However on another note. Bitcoin bank? What the actual fuck. He promotes the idea of privately held assets and then creates a fucking bank. On the flip side if you're an entrepreneur and you have been creating businesses your whole life and you're out of ideas, then you realize that banking has been the most profitable business so far in human history. He created bitcoin for gods sake, you can't really top that. I wonder what it's like to be a god.

More info on this. This time from Gizmodo and a focus on Dave Kleiman with some interviews of people who knew Kleiman

http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

the more you dig into it , to me it just looks like someone who knew about bitcoin from the start but only really started to get involved with it in late 2013 and has been spending his time since trying to get his bitcoin bank setup. I really can't see Satoshi following the path of trying to setup a bitcoin business from scratch and seek investors to launch a bitcoin bank. It really doesn't point to someone who created Bitcoin itself, more like a normal guy trying to setup a bitcoin business.

Interview Conducted with Craig WRIGHT
Page 37 of 40
McMaster Well, only as a director, but I wasn't an auditor.

Wright: I guess I gained a little bit of paranoia on that one - - -

McMaster: Look, I can understand where you're coming from, okay, and I can also
understand the communication confusion because you clearly see these
5 things as bitcoins.

Wright: I see them as money.  8)

McMaster: You see them as currency and you treat them in the same way and when you  ???
talk to us about them, that's how you talk about them and, unfortunately, that
has created a confusion around what actually occurred, and that's all that me
10 as a director and Marina as my Assistant Commissioner are trying to clarify.
What are the true facts here and if at the end of the day you've got a refund,
you've got a refund. End of story. You're entitled.

Sommer: And all we're trying to do, all I'm trying to do is, you know – you know, if I was
a nefarious litigator – and I know lots of them – there's nothing I would rather
15 do than run a declaratory proceeding against you guys about ..... money.
However, with Craig and John in their current situation that's going to tie more
of their money up and, you know, I don't work for free, and that's not going to
progress things. I would rather come to you guys and say, "Look, listen, the
whole treatment of bitcoin is not what we anticipated but if we actually look at
20 what you've said and try and make it work" – and I'm a big fan of trying to
make things work as far as we can. We can always ..... you know, when you
guys lose in the Federal Court and, you know, you decide not to appeal and
bitcoin is money, we can always go back and revise the BASs again but at
least we can make some progress and actually stop this business being
25 strangled, and that's really what I want to achieve. I just want to actually let
these guys escape from under six different audits and try and get back to the
business. That's my objective.  8)

Thanks for that link. Finished the conference. Found a couple of white papers from Wright, read those. Finished the Transcripts with the Aussie tax authorities and the articles from Gizmodo and Wired.

WE HAVE FOUND SATOSHI AND HE IS STILL WORKING WITH BITCOIN.

From the article

"Patrick Paige and Carter Conrad, who run a Palm Beach County business called Computer Forensics, LLC, in which Kleiman was also a partner, formed their own suspicions about Satoshi’s identity after receiving a string of bizarre communications from Wright following Kleiman’s death in 2013
...
The next communication that Paige and Conrad received from Wright was stranger still. Emails provided to Gizmodo, the authenticity of which were confirmed by Paige and Conrad, show that in February 2014, 10 months after Kleiman’s death, Wright emailed the pair to tell them about a mysterious project he’d been working on with their friend. As part of this undertaking, Wright wrote, Kleiman had mined an enormous amount of bitcoins—an amount “too large to email.” Wright asked them to ensure that Kleiman’s computers were safe, and to check whether their hard drives contained wallet.dat files, the pieces of software that contain bitcoins and their owners’ account information. On a subsequent phone call with Wright, a baffled Paige asked for more information about the partnership with Kleiman. After that, he said, Wright assumed a clandestine tone. “Can I trust you?”

According to Paige, Wright eventually told him that Kleiman was the creator of Bitcoin. Later, he clarified that the cryptocurrency was invented by a group of people which included Kleiman. If that was true, Kleiman was likely sitting on a fortune when he died in April 2013—even if he were in possession of only half of Satoshi’s fabled million-bitcoin stockpile, that would have been worth about $65,000,000 at the time of his death. Wright made clear to Paige that he wasn’t after the money—he only wanted to make sure that it made its way into Kleiman’s estate and didn’t sit gathering dust in a digital vault.
...
Wright stopped calling and emailing them after he made contact with Kleiman’s brother, the executor of Kleiman’s estate. “We knew one day a reporter would come calling,” Paige said. “But we left it at that.”

That is my take on this as well.

Edit: On further review and in light of the new evidence that the community has unearthed I retract the above statement =)

Emailing bitcoins? Huh?

Thoughts on this one?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w0zrb/on_proof_a_confession_about_satoshi/

If it is a hoax, it is a bloody good one. The Satoshi millions in the trust also explains why it has not moved. I just wonder, if this is true, who holds the private key. Could it be that we have two Satoshi's? Wright & Kleiman?

Who would have guessed that such a great mind, could have come from down under, from all places. Let's see how this play out. ^hmf^

I just yesterday wanted to post something that we cannot predict what the next day will bring and that my consensus reached to the point, where nothing will happen. However this is big news in the crypto world. I would still like to see some solid proof and maybe his personal approach to this subject. I will definitely keep an eye out on this subject.

The last satoshi (the old man) was a pretty funny hoax. However this will most likely escalate to a much bigger scale. Buy all the coins before they run out guys. ;D

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm12/yagamisan/Gifs/startrek.gif
My reaction every time I read a post in this thread that says:
"Yes, the evidence clearly shows we have found Satoshi.".

https://www.getbitcoin.com.au/bitcoin-news/worlds-first-bitcoin-bank-opening



Dr. Craig Steven Wright: The only person in the world capable of purchasing bitcoins using 1.1M BTC as collateral via his Tulip Trust created after his partner was found dead with maggots eating away at his body next to bloody feces trails on the floor.

I love this thread!  :-* :-* :-*

It makes no sense for a trust to hold unmoved coins. There would be no way to guarantee that the trust is the only one with the private keys, and thus they would not be safely locked away in the trust.

Dave Kleiman's Wiki page already has a Bitcoin reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Kleiman

Also, Dave's former office is only a stone's through away from Cryptsy's office in Florida.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police?CMP=twt_gu)

THE SWATS'RE HERE YO ;D

Never said the evidence clearly shows Craig Wright is Satoshi. However, the preponderance of evidence presented so far does point to that.

If Craig Wright is not Satoshi it means one of the following is true.
 
1) This is a conspiracy involving multiple individuals in different countries trying to convince us that he is.

or

2) This is one of the longest cons ever and Craig Wright started laying the groundwork to convince people he was Satoshi back in 2013.

Alternatively if Craig Wright is Satoshi would he have have an incentive to out himself? In fact he might because it is clear that the Australian tax authorities are going after him.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police

Far easier to keep yourself out of jail on tax evasion charges if you are the legendary and popular Satoshi Nakamoto then if you are some white dude no one has ever heard of.

So if a Trustee wanted those coins secure he would move them once ?
Then the new wallet with new private key would be in your possession with no chance of copies floating around the world.

I'd say you pointed out a serious flaw in the trustee part of this.
A trustee handling such a vast amount of BTC would have of course got some basic advice on Bitcoin i think too.

This perspective i think makes it less likely the guy is telling the truth.

@Gleb Gamow
Another good point indeed ..and funny too hahahhaha

EDIT:
Let's not forget the Trustee's job would be to have those holdings secure !
Those coins would have been moved !

EDIT2:
Maybe the trustee was given the private keys and the guy kept a copy of them too ?
Since the Trustee would not be spending the coins you could..
THEN you could borrow off of them all in the Tulip thing too .. double profits lambo's for all :)

It indicates the depth of the buy orders in the market, but rotated 90 degrees from the view you see on the exchanges. The x axis is depth, and the y axis is price. The green line above it indicates the sell orders.

Ohhh jeez that figures.. just when you try and get out ..they pull you back in ROFL  ;D

@yyyiem = Google Translate for us please

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014/Tulip-Trust-Redacted.txt

Look in Usenet. You can't modify dates in it or change posts retroactively after they are archived by things like Google Groups.

-Being investigated for tax fraud (very Bitcoin-thing to do) ✓

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A398JFI8D29LXD/ref=pdp_new_read_full_review_link?ie=UTF8&page=1&sort_by=MostRecentReview#RPX4GEQ5PSERC


This doesn't sound like Satoshi to me. Also, this review was penned approximately one month prior to the now infamous panel discussion moderated by Michelle Seven-cum-Darla of Our Gang.

Again, in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE - Ms Seven at the onset states that those consisting of the panel discussion are her favorite men in Bitcoin. Just a tad over a minute later she's questioning Craig Steven Wright as to who the hell is he while Nick Szabo does a facepalm.

problem is  if he used other early adopter coins (i mean is satoshi but did not use statoshi coins per say) and gets pinched for such on tax fraud.....the penalties and such are always more *usually* then the fraud all said and done..thus they tax man will go for ALL assets ..and if they do have him dead to rights on btc as the creator..then a deal will be struck and the tax folks in australia will have 1 million btc to auction...that would suck

my real fear (besides the $$$ loss) is the whole open source crypto will go belly up and then the banks will move in with closed crypto and use blockchain to move finance in the world for practically free and keep the RATES NOW THE SAME ..the billionaire bankers of today would be the trillionaire bankers of tommarow (think bladerunner the movie) we would be so frigging screwed...

again there is only 2 things wrong with btc according to the powers that be/banks etc

1) they did not invent it

2) they did not patent it

so yeah ..even if he is NOT satoshi this is gonna drag out as press FUD for months and months....but hell if he is satoshi and played tax dodges and it is proved they will TAKE IT ALL
on a deal .....1 million btc on an auction would be the death of btc and probably all open source crypto imho...they win ...we the masses lose

Interesting old mailing list conversation:

http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2010/Feb/144

and http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Jan/567  (should cross-check date w/ satoshi disappearance and recipients of those emails).

Was about time for a good conspiracy theory about satoshi again! This one makes quite a bit of sense actually, but as always, there are also enough reasons to doubt the fact.
Definately keeping an eye on this thread, its really fun to read.

It seems Craig Wright has a youtube channel.  most of the videos are family ones, but there's a couple of recent ones that talk about super computing and bitcoin mining

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC61KC8uew8xuNAs42A-yI7w

And some slides

http://www.slideshare.net/informaoz/dr-craig-wright-49437540

So now that SR is done, mtgox is done, asic pre-orders are done, media FUD is no longer effective and XT is done this is the new angle "they" are using to pork BTC? Get SN and dump his coins.

Any ideas on their plans after the market crashes for a bit if they get SN's coins?

I think they're chasing a ghost, Hal took the keys with him IMO.

mmmm......

https://twitter.com/tankjnr (screenshot below)

Would explain cops, cryptsy, gaw, gox

http://imgur.com/TQiGy44

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/bitcoins-mysterious-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-could-be-australian-man-craig-steven-wright-report-20151208-glixin.html

Enough of this witch hunt. This is not satoshi and even if it was, nobody should care. Whoever she may be, leave her alone. If you take a good look at that "blog post" it definitely seems like something that satoshi would post at that time even though he went through great lengths to hide his identity.  ::)

Thanks to Craig Steven Wright's ex-wife, Lynn, cats can now be included on this EPIC thread: http://web.archive.org/web/19991022021831/http://www.demorgan.com.au/staff/lynn.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20001013125846/http://www.demorgan.com.au/staff/cat1.gifhttp://web.archive.org/web/20001013020250/http://www.demorgan.com.au/staff/cat2.gif

https://i.imgur.com/ipSfgDI.jpg

The weird part is that Lynn's cattery was named Cloudcroft back in 1999, the same name of a company run by Craig Wright and his now wife, Ramona Watts (Chief People Officer), as seen on this page - http://cloudcroft.com.au/about.php - complete with Craig YouTube video entitled Cloudcroft (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxucJg8clsk), a must watch to see how he stumbles while giving Cloudcroft's spiel. Meow! Meow!

For those who miss the pre-order days, scroll down to the bottom of the page to see what's available in Two Weeks^TM. I can hear Sonny Vleisides now, "He took my job!"

http://web.archive.org/web/20050206223810/http://www.demorgan.com.au/


And it's gone!

And it's back! http://demorgan.com.au/

For those playin' at home, this cat still has eight lives left.

"The ATO hit suspected Bitcoin creator Craig Steven Wright's company with a $1.7M penalty (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/revealed-the-ato-hit-suspected-bitcoin-creator-craig-steven-wrights-company-with-a-1-7-million-penalty-2015-12)"

That Twitter account was created on Oct. 17, 2014: view-source: https://twitter.com/tankjnr (search the page for "Created")

Confirmed.

And?

even better news if true: Reddit user buybtc claims the raided house belongs to Tradefortress (Inputs.io Scammer) https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w0zkg/bitcoin_founder_craig_wrights_home_raided_by/cxshpbf

http://www.smh.com.au/business/bitcoin-founder-could-definitely-be-australian-20151209-glj15n.html?skin=text-only

problem: Dr wright is australian
thought: genesis block contained UK newspaper qote and satoshi's own writing style was british

problem: Dr wright worked for a cyber security firm in 2011 working alongside NSA, DHS https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigswright
thought: satoshi hated authority

problem: Dr wright egotistically loves to boast about how his business is in top 500. how his datacenter is top 15
thought: satoshi had no ego

problem: Dr wright emails proclaimed the making of 'satoshi' was as a public symbol to honour without corruption (imagine bruce wayne describing batman)
thought: satoshi use of the pseudonym was more like a blackhat not wanting to get caught

problem: Dr wright had several job positions overlapping eachover in 2009-2010
thought: satoshi was too busy coding and forum writing to have a job

problem: Dr wright was a information security expert/lecturer and worked with cloud systems
thought: satoshi was not all that great on cryptography. many people helped him out. and he needed to research things
https://youtu.be/rQ3e1Pzu7iI?t=11m14s  (watch until 13:05)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770.msg9074#msg9074

in my opinion. emails can be spoofed/photoshopped.
and dr wright oversold himself. much like a con artist leaves historical breadcrumbs to sell himself

What the heck happened last night?
I woke up, checked price, checked news, came here and have to read that a guy suspected being Satoshi Nakamoto had been arrested after Wired had published a revealing article about a Craig Wright half a day before!
This is crazy! Hollywood is a sh** compared to that.
How likely is it that this guy, whoever he is, holds a very big chunk of coins?
How likely is it that authorities will get access to it?
And what will happen with these coins IF they should get it?
I'm a bit shocked about all those news I have to go through now to be completely up to date.
Jesus christ!

Add this one :

Problem: Dr Wright didn't provide cryptographic evidence of his claims.
Thought: It's so fucking easy to do if you have the keys and will end all this nonsense speculation at once.

It seems just someone desperate to get some attention and solve his financial troubles.

100% no. I don't think so.

Good try wired, close but no cigar.

indeed. he can talk and modify all evidence as he want. this is crypto and we can expect hard proof via a signed message.

I call bullshit on the Wright = Satoshi theory.

Make sure not to miss the cat connection I introduced.  ;D

The best I can ascertain is that Craig Wright concocted this entire episode at the time of Dave Kleiman's death, with his wife, Ramona Watts, in on the entire thing. They thought they had troubles before, I'd say they're pretty well fucked now.

FWIW, Satoshi lifts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34xd4wV3ug

I find the timing of this and the police raid all too convenient.  Surely Wright knew the police raid was coming if its connected to ongoing tax matters.  No idea what the grand plan is but I'm sure it in someway is going to help him get off the hook.

of course he knew the raid was happening. thats why he legged it to london

https://i.imgur.com/GXRAhB9.png

Anything besides a signed message is most likely BS.

Signed message or this is just another PR stunt for whatever the reason this man may have.
I call BS and all future Satoshi-wannabes who are not able to sign a message and happen talk themselve around doing so.
Edit: Words/grammar. Also: Yes, obviously moving a fraction of the old coins would be another good way of providing proof too. But I think we'll never see this happening.
  
The real Satoshi could do a move to show everyone, that this is just a Satoshi-wannabe. But I don't know. Reacting to such a thing would be a risk too.
If I would be the real Satoshi - I would never ever provide any proof, never move any coins, never draw attention to myself and just let Bitcoin be.
I don't know if it would be technically possible - but if the real Satoshi would sign a message + move coins and tell the public, that they still haven't found the real Satoshi, wouldn't that put the real Satoshi's hidden identity at risk? Couldn't it somehow be tracked, if some 3 letter agencies would have let's say 50 suspected persons they are constantly watching for doing such a move and then just bust him? That's at least what I would do, if my task would be to find the real one - get people's and Satoshi's attention for such a made up thing via the media and just wait which of the suspected real Satoshis reacts in which way. Also if some random guy would let's say want to get this award for himself, the real Satoshi may be in need to act and dox him as a fake Satoshi - because it would not be fair to claim the award as a Satoshi-faker. (If that even might be one of his goals some day)
---> If my crazy theory might be just a little bit correct we will never see any proof for Satoshi's identity ever. None of the old coins on the move, no signed message, nothing. If Satoshi would let himself drive by emotions, he might do it. If he is intelligent enough to not do anything, these kind of stories will just repeat and repeat without any real proof at all.
 
Also apologies for my bad English and grammar mistakes.

a signed pgp message is one thing..

but something that would cause controversy is not the identity of satoshi. but if satoshi still has privkeys of addresses from january09-summer09
and annoncing that just 0.1btc will move from an early address on christmas day (pre-announcing it) and then actually doing it on the day.. well that would solve any speculation that the early funds are or are not lost to oblivion

 

See edited content above. I should just have posted it as a new post, but anyway. Edited it. Just my 2 cents.

Christmas is too early - his Bitcoin-core is still downloading... and downloading...and downloading... make it Easter 2016.

best comment on reddit by far: "God dammit Wired, my wife woke me up for this bullshit." https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vzgnd/bitcoins_creator_satoshi_nakamoto_is_probably/cxs31lt

Dr wright has a miner in iceland.. so having the blockchain synced would not be an issue
which also raises another point to debunk Wright being satoshi.. because wright supposedly has 1 million coins.. but if you own over 6% of circulation and (satoshi) wanted a fair distributed money system.. why keep mining and hoarding for 6 years. instead of letting the world have a share..

wright seems to be a money grabbing egotist
satoshi seemed a open minded entity that wanted a fairer money system

their personalities dont match

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2644013/20140226-Meeting-Minutes-Redacted.txt

How has Wright been supporting himself? He owns 3 properties in various locations in Australia.
If he is Satoshi he has access to an unbelievable fortune!
He's got kids - are they in great school (who wouldn't spend money on their children's education, if they had it?)

If he really was Satoshi and didn't want it known - then he shouldn't have done that panel shown in the video. Or he should have had a cover story ready instead of dropping "I am Satoshi" hints left, right and centre.

Why did he go for a Japanese name? Does Wright happen to be a huge anime fan, and fluent in Japanese? Or maybe he has some other connection to Japan?   Check his Facebook.

Satoshi's writing has been with Commonwealth spelling, not US. That supports his being Australian. Of course, it could be "planted" but the comments in question were made long before anyone had any hunch Bitcoin would take off.

Seems he's close to the heart of Bitcoin either way.
Perhaps he was number 2 in a duo headed  by the guy who died.

Satoshi wanted a fairer money system, and Wright teams up with Ferrier which turned out to be a wrong decision: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2644013/20140226-Meeting-Minutes-Redacted.txt

SataN aka moo shit

The GnuPG preferred hashing algorithm metadata is hard proof of a hoax. Actually hard evidence rather than the circumstantial stuff from the articles. Forensics experts got out-forensics'ed.

Ding Ding Ding

I considered for a brief moment that Wright concocted the story to somehow get control of the late Dave Kleiman's bitcoin, but after looking a bit into Kleiman... it appears that is also not the case.

Exciting story though. The Tulip Trust was my favorite bit.

Obviously one random early mined block could belong to anybody who just knew about Bitcoin since start, but does not prove it is Satoshi. Im amazed how much work Craig Wright put into the story and interiew but he does not deliver the only possible way how to prove it...

There are rumors that 3 letter agencies run half the Tor exit nodes to track people using Tor. I don't know how they attempt tracking, if it works, or how successful they are, but those are the rumors I read. Satoshi extensively used Tor to conceal his identity, but that might be more difficult today with 3 letter agency involvement. Someone with his skill could probably find other solutions, but IMO the risk of having his identity revealed would be higher today than five years ago.

First i was really convinced that Dr. Wright was Satoshi Nakamoto but now i am sure that he is not. Satoshi Nakamoto must be Batman and not James Bond :P

nah
Wright wants to be bruce wayne. billionaire egotistical business man with a secret 'symbol' for people to look upto called batman(satoshi)
even james bond is suave and egotistic

the issue is that satoshi never seemed like a egotistic brucewayne/batman persona.
if anything he was clark kent/superman, (low key average geek in real life)

For those of you being sure, there is an open market on Fairlay to bet if Craig Steven Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto: https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/is-craig-steven-wright-satoshi-nakamoto/.

Waiting for 'I am not Craig.  He's a douchebag.' post from satoshi's BCT account.

What I've learned from all this is that MRSA is a real bitch. Rest in peace, Dave.

This is fake and it seems it was a bait to lure press to Wright claim. This Wright has nothing to do with creation of bitcoin. Satoshi Nakamoto will never create a bitcoin bank. LOL guys BITCOIN BANK??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Exactly. Wright wants to be famous but he's not Satoshi Nakamoto.

Whats wrong with you people? Its a fucking hoax this scammer wants to build a Bitcoin bank to store private keys, dose that sound like the creator of Bitcoin?

That was my take-home from the article, too. Sounds like a miserable existence for the poor guy.

If it turns out that Craig Wright did create the pseudonym, 'Satoshi Nakamoto' as part of an original plan to intentionally paint an air of mysterious benevolence over the project's origins, its more likely that Dave is the genius behind the tech itself.

If the article is correct in its findings, Craig is more like the egotistical PR genius for the origins of the project.

Australian Police raid the guys house...lol
Nothing to do with the recent reports...lol
Related to a TAX INVESTIGATION

No f*ing wonder Nakamoto wants to remain anonymous.

Good question.  Lets take a look at what Satoshi wrote and see, shall we?


(bold emphasis added by me)

that makes alot of sence thanks for clearing it up , ofc the creator of btc would not do something like that seems out of character.

what satoshi was talking about was online wallets. which became blockchain.info/wallet..

what Mr Wright proposes is BANKING where he gets to play around with your funds to his hearts content. eg trendon shavers BTCS&T

The real Satoshi is Batman, obviously.

Don't you guys see it? Satoshi aka Craig Wright intended to create the bitcoin bank as a temporary measure to be able to on ramp and familiarize the masses into the use of bitcoin.

Theres no way its him, probably just a pull for media attention.

Is this a early April Fools joke, or a grand Hoax that would backfire? His technical knowledge seems to be a little ....under par for a Satoshi. I wonder, if Wright could be Satoshi's

partner and part of a bigger circle of friends.  ::) ..... I have always thought of Satoshi being a group of people, not a individual person. I guess the real Satoshi gets a kick out of

this whole drama, and it legitimize his decision to stay anonymous.  ;)

And we have proof every government on Earth has an agenda to destroy Bitcoin and any crypto currency ?
May i ask where in the hell did you all pull that out of your ass from ?
All i see from governments is they want some regulation put on it and i agree 100% with them.
Media FUD ?
Bulllllllsbloooody shit
The only people who use that stupid little term is misinformed idiots here at bitcointalk.org
Not one guy here has ever appropriately coined the term FUD correctly.
You all just throw the word around as either an attack tool or as means to lend credibility to some dumb assertion.
Crying FUD is so Bitcointalk LOL
The world is not going to cry FUD.. you losers here will hahahha
The second any user here cries FUD i make a mental note that the person is a moron.

The auction comment is just stupid too.. even if there was that many (that is debatable)
they people selling them would not auction them off all at once.. Further more previous auctions
from Silk Road did no major damage so you have no precedent to base this claim on.

I thoroughly enjoy the collective Hysteria, fanboyism, Cheerleading and utter nonsense spewed by Bitcoiners.
Really the sheer level of stupidity that swirls among the Tech-Stupid astounds me and never ceases to amaze me..
I hang out in Crypto because i just can't believe how fucking dumb all of you are.
Satoshi wants to stay hidden ?
Why because one guy started saying it long ago and now most people say it ?
So now it just becomes true since so many people *assume* something ?
If Satoshi is 1 man and he is seeing this he probably thinks just like me and laughs his ass off at all the stupidity.

This topic is a juggernaut of assumptions and conclusion jumping by self proclaimed experts.
They opinions are far more interesting than Satoshi to me.. hands down.

Hey geniuses.. Satoshi was never proven to drive a Volkswagon car.. so...
He must hate German made automobiles and there for must hate all Germans.
FACT !    .....satoshi hates Germans ✓
...........say it all with me guys you know it's true  ::)
Besides look i put a check mark there.. oohhh la la sooo legit now  :o

^^^ Hahahahahaaaaa. I genuinely lol'd at that!

Trouble is if he has tax 'issues' and the keys to half a billion dollar's worth of bitcoin, I'm not sure the sauve-intellectual-with-a-hard-on-against-a-tax-offical is much better.

I agree that there is much to look at before jumping to a conclusion.

But I want to ask you again about your claim upthread that it is impossible that Satoshi accumulated anywhere near a million BTC. Unless I missed it, you've skipped over the request to explain why you believe this to be so.

weak.. some guy said TF was from the same country.. that is it for proof.

The amount of emotional and irrational nonsense being spewed here is amazing.  I have rarely seen another intellectual forum descend into mass hysteria and conjecture as fast as this one has.

No one seems to be actually researching facts before leaping off the cliff of conjecture.

IF YOU READ.... Craig's definition of a perfect bank (unlike current fiat system) is that to LOAN money, you should have to have the money.  Craig's goal isn't so much to build a bank to hold money, as to loan it.  It makes sense that as Satoshi, that is why he kept so many bitcoins, and that in his early mining, he amassed those coins.  He has basically created his own banking collateral.

Unlike Fiat that creates these arbitrary pegs to "partial gold" (... i.e 5% gold in reserve) or lately, just the unrestricted printing of money / SDR's or any other arbitrary "amount" of currency.

So again, IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO RESEARCH AND READ AND LISTEN, then you will see that Craig's definition of a "bank" is perhaps a return to a more pure banking system, with an ACTUAL fixed amount of currency, and that if you don't have say 1,000,000 "X Currency" in your bank, you don't get to loan "X Currency".

The way he did this was brilliant, because he is in now in a position to "set policy" on how a new cryptocurrency banking system must operate in creating/issuing loans.  He is actually in THE position to do so.

Anyway, sorry to interrupt with pesky fact injection.  Please continue the hysteria.

True, if his goal was to be acknowledged as SN. But I've yet to see any evidence where he is making this claim. Have you?

It's now complete..

- Gleb Gamow has to do all the fact checking ✓
- There is Canadians at the center of it all. ✓
- There is ties to Cryptsy ✓
- Leroy Fodor is involved ✓
- TradeFortress lives in AUS ✓
- Satoshi wants to be left alone ✓
- A huge pile of puppet accounts keep posting this story is true ✓
- The News report about the raid mentioned the guy fled in hiding ✓

So yeah i'd saw we got him.. a carefully concocted story designed to tease you all and pump up Bitcoin
and leave us all exactly where we started.. a missing man with claims that are not proven that could have been faked forged.
Maybe the guy is on the run for tax evasion and avoiding jail time ?
OR ?
It's because "The Man" is secretly trying to keep Bitcoin down and the illumaniti wants to hunt Satoshi !!111

Do you all believe everything some loud mouth prick says or what ?
I have a friend who i met a few months back and he kept saying how he was opening a restaurant soon.
It did open and 2 months later it went our of business and during that time i learned..
he was a line cook in charge of hiring staff paid an hourly wage..
But wow did he looooooooooooooooove to strut around
telling everyone everywhere about -HIS- restaurant.
Until it closed and he pointed the finger of failure at the owner LOL

This Wright guy is just a blow hard douche who wants some attention prob because he has a pump on BTC going.
And he know the BTC crowd is dumb and will eat up anything.

Why would a Trustee who's job it is to make sure the funds held in the trust is secure,
not move the coins and make them secure ?
Who ever handed the private keys to the trustee could have copied them.
So the Trustee would have no faith he controls those coins.. unless he moved them to his own wallet !
No legit trustee is going to have a large step available to ensure the funds are secure available and NOT take it !
That reason alone to me screams bullshit !
You all may think well maybe they had a good reason to not alarm the public by moving the coins ?
oh yeah ? what ?
And does that reason over ride the security of that much BTC supposedly held in a Trust ?
Just grasp this guys.. your job by law is to secure a quarter billion dollars in coins
are YOU going to leave private keys with various people around the globe ?
If the Trustee did that he would be grossly negligent in his duties.

Source for this claim? Not all supercomputers are miners. Indeed, the vast majority are not.

And even if the Iceland installation is a mining effort, there is a reasonable alternate conjecture - the private keys were fully entrusted to the other dude before he died, leaving Wright with no means of accessing the BTC1.1M. This might lead our Dr Wright to be desirous of a BTC stash. Note I am not making this claim, just that there could be alternate reasons for seeking more BTC.

Sergio has done an excellent analysis of early mining. There is a distinct pattern to the early blocks that are virtually assured to be Satoshi's.

https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/

hmm Iceland eh ?
I heard of that mining operation.. There is one big one owned by one guy who started in the UK with a GPU in his house.
Not long ago he told the story of how the Iceland mining farm worked and that also mentioned
that he rents out some of the miners to people..
So to make sure it's clear he *could be renting 1 asic LOL
Not running the huge massive farm.

I also think it's funny he has such grand plans for Bitcoin he mentioned.
Seems like it's all engineered to pump up Bitcoin.

News Flash Satoshi is found and wants to add turing complete etc ROFL
so.. BUY BITCOIN NOW !!11ONE  ::)

If this was my forum i would write the message for fun then jump in the SQL DB and edit the name..
I could have it done in a couple minutes no problem.
I hope you all know how forums works LOL

Ya i think he would start a bank and issue Bank Cards etc and loans then shut it all down once the public was familiar with Bitcoin  ::)
The guys plan was to -BUY- Bitcoin with investors money (even though he already holds more than anyone on earth)
THEN ..he planned on making a banking system with full ties and features to Fiat.
All for the sole purpose of getting people use to Bitcoin ?

I know one thing for sure.. when guys go for a power grab they don't let go later LOL

So these were leaked to Gwern as either a leak or a hack. Gwern is famously anonymous himself. It's murky stuff. Wright is an interesting man either way.

The Craig Wright thing doesn't add up. There's supposed to be a tx of 1.1m BTC. Where is it on the blockchain and why are Satoshi's coins still where they always were?

https://bitscan.com/articles/something-about-the-new-satoshi-isnt-wright

I'm trying to find another explanation and the only ones I can come up with are
1) Someone else has 1m BTC
2) That doc, at least, is fake

Come on guys don't fall for this crap your better then this.

What good would media attention do ?

I don't suppose it's a coincidence we see a ramp up of buying BTC
leading up to a giant spike of 2,000 BTC (BTC-e Exchange) <-- anon exchange ?
Someone was buying BTC before this story broke.. then when it did they pushed a huge order through
to trigger a reaction from the BTC world.

This has all been carefully crafted to Pump & Dump Bitcoin.
If the BTC buyer at BTC-e alone dumps at $450 he would pull in about $100,000.00 usd Profit.
That is if i assume one group holds the BTC-e coin order of around 2,000 coins.
But if this was a coordinated effort it's likely they have coins spread around on various exchanges..
Just not on Cryptsy of course ROFL

http://i64.tinypic.com/biusg8.jpg

It's fun. I seriously doubt it's him, but there is no way to not want to find out more.

Heh, poor BTC-e are always assumed to be up to something  ;D

Well, the price is now falling. Maybe the pump & dump theory was accurate...

Luckily I've sold my stash :D

You know how it is with the price. As mentioned earlier if a hacker/leaker got info to Gwern just to do this then maybe it worked.

Yep at this point it would require the message to be signed since we already saw the gmx email of satoshi being hacked, so we can't be sure that just because someone had access to bitcointalk's satoshi account means it's the real one.

How 'bout a spit off in Blockchain Dome: Wright vs The Real Satoshi à la Ver vs Okay Coin Dude.

In other words you have no idea how forums work.
If theymos wanted to or who ever runs this place wanted they could easily forge a Satoshi post.

Seems one of the most stories of unknowns who want to attract attention for himself and to be in this way at the center of the attention for as much as it can be possible. This kind of people are known as lovers of themselves or otherwise and with more fully meaning as narcissist. Everyone can tell that he is Satoshi. It was enough to have deep knowledge of bitcoin. This is not to much difficult in our days with all that sea of free sources which exist about this invention. Then if you have the qualifications of the person in question it is way more easy to be such pretended. Add to this the thirst of media to find scoops and all the fiction is done. Is missing only to be a movie and to be show at the cinema.

This morning I was of the opinion "if he is, he is, good on him, carry on".   After reading a couple more articles and things about this guy I sincerely hope he isn't!

I always perceived Satoshi to be of a humble personality, Dr. Wright strikes me as anything but....just your typical academic with an ego too big for his shoes.

I find the thought of Satoshi crying and complaining that everyone loves his alternative persona more than the real him both laughable and ridiculous.  Just being Satoshi should be enough self-satisfaction even if no one ever knows it, otherwise all it serves is to feed ego and self-confidence issues.

Then there is the fact of potentially 1M BTC stashed away until 2020, which just convinces me more of that which I've said all along....that one day Satoshi could, and might, pull the rug from under us all.

If this guy really is Satoshi, he is not worthy of God status IMO, and someone needs to save our souls.

I want to remind you all that the News reports by Rueters, Wired etc
HAD to have been fed to them by a tipster.. so put that into context !
The person who tipped them off had all that collected up ?
The raid coincidence ?
And leaving that tidbit off info on the raid story about how the mail had piled up
and the garbage cans were still on the street for that address even though the neighbors had taken theirs in..
The person who tipped off the tech news web site TOLD them that.
The web site guys did not drive to the address and check the mail box + garbage cans LOL

Guys don't be low hanging fruit and be careful trading BTC right now please.

I didn't think of it before, but somehow upon reading your post I thought of another take as to what has recently transpired.

The original articles by the mainstream media depicting the possibility that Wright is Satoshi was seeded by three-letter agencies so to nab Wright in his alleged wrongdoings and put Bitcoin et al. in a bad light so to keep it in check so to speak.

The events that unfolded via, again, the mainstream media moved way too fast for this to not be some sort of orchestrated event not under Wright's control, albeit he may have inevitably played a role up to the revealing.

sorry didnt have time spending hours redoing old research i just used my memory of the highlights i picked up. im sure google has the answers
but from what i remember, (forgive my memory for lack of detail)
logically for satoshi to accumilate 1mill in 2 years. there would have to be only 5 people mining right up to january 2011 because only 5mill were mined by then
(simple division)
but even before winter 2009 there were about 10 people.. i can only recall hal, satoshi, sirius, theymos and some libertyexchange thing. cant remember the other names.
by january 2010 there were way more people, thanks to theymos many dozons of people were mining. so just logically the numbers dont add up to allow satoshi to have 1mill coins.

then the next point. satoshi was playing with new wallet.dat implementations. along with the fact that if you copied a wallet.dat and then later received 100 tx's... the active wallet.dat would have different addresses added to it thanks to the address pool and copying the backup back would lose addresses.
i remember he updated 0.3 to fix some wallet issues because addresses/coins were being lost. so the only way to have not lost any would have been to manually write down all the privkeys since day one prior to some of the bug fixes, to ensure he never lost a single coin..

i remember you saying you can tell alot from the nonce. if you mean lack of difficulty to imply that there was only 1 miner for the majority of 2009. well that wont work because "difficulty" was only implemented in version 0.2 on december 16th and the first jump happened december 30th 2009. so before december 16th many people could mine at the same rate without any speedbumps ...which many did.

They explicitly name Gwern as their source (who says he was given them).

the price of bitcoin increased/spiked roughly 2.5 hours after the story had broke....

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I would find this unlikely. Especially considering the fact that as of when the other guy died the value of the 1.1M BTC was enormous and would have likely asked for backups of the keys and/or for backups to be made that would be accessible in the event of his friend's death. 

@Quickseller
There is a 3hr difference in time zone alone from one end of Canada to the other.. close enough i say !

@Gleb Gamow
yeah maybe..

But i still contend that a large buy spike was a mighty huge coincidence on BTC-e
I also seen a ramp up of buys way before that too.. i have been trading BTC on BTC-E for years
and watched Pumps etc unfold on The WIZ ..if you look closely there was a surge in buys
that was meant to be hidden leading up to the big "dumb" buy order.

Why does someone need 2000 Bitcoins NOW ! ? (in one order-group pushing the price up costing YOU MONEY)
They don't..
That was just a ploy to trigger a reaction from us all.
A smart investor would have done what they were doing earlier.. keep buying smaller amounts for way cheaper for longer.

EDIT:
Maybe what i saw was a coincidence i don't know.
But someone would have to have a lot of faith to just jump in and buy 2k coins.. it smells to me ..CONSPIRACY !

Why don't the admins look up the IP of satoshi and locate where he did login from, then U know where the real bitcoin developer came from.

I think you're spot on spoetnik.
This whole thing seems to be a made up story.
Too many coincedences and nobody seemed to know that guy before.
And a Bitcoin bank does not fit to the real satoshi.I also believe that this was an attempt for a first class price maniulation.
Let's see what more news will reach us the next days and weeks.
This is better than cinema!Bucket full of popcorn right beside my keyboard. ;D

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/btcusd
Check it out.... DUMP TIME !

Browse through Sergio's blog. He has lots of great details into Satoshi's mining.

https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/satoshi-s-fortune-a-more-accurate-figure/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall a similar run-up when Darian Satoshi was claimed to be SN, thus setting a precedent for a subsequent run-up via a fake media campaign if that's what we're witnessing now. <post not meant as dis toward your research>

Clearly an Hoax. Now, How many Satoshi's will we see coming out of the Dark? I guess this only serves to turn the story even spicier!

An actual, verifiable and conclusive reveal of Satoshi would put the fear of god into the market.

The proposition that market rallied because of this news is bollocks.

they did.. result=tor node

I'm not sure which exchange led the run-up, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that they caused the uptick internally taking quasi-advantage of the recent news pertaining to Craig Wright.

Really informative, cheers for the link, would be really cool if this guy was Satoshi and in revealing himself watching the effect it would have upon Bitcoin. Maybe he will be here with a savior solution for all this block size drama. One can hope :)

Few things

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317658.900

Also, was it a pump? http://imgur.com/a/AmOTN.  - Some signal/symbol analysis and reading between the lines is critical  (i.e., pumping iron/lifting weights, note the post-work celebration picture in the background).  Keep in ming that "Watts" is an important name w/ this story.  

Watch for evidence here with this story, but also generally in crypto.  Look for evidence in the crypto communities on twitter and reddit that employs images/words/etc that suggestive of elfs (elves), alfs and unexpected alliances btw distributed and autonomous anti-u.s./rebel/extreme libertarian orgs (plus a huge need to shape the media and narrative (truth seekers, artists, affinity tactics).  Note the rebel imagery (starwars type stuff, confederate and other battle flags  (some w/ X shapes: Scotland, traditionalist radical catholic orgs - Pius X (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/radical-traditional-catholicism)), resistance, beards, etc).

In the community widely, note patterns in occupations/trades (cleaners, plumbers, architects, photogs, movers, etc) and crafts (soap making, cameras, artistry generally) of friends and followers of folks you find interesting.  Note the prevalence of car (jeeps, drifting cars, etc) and motorcycle imagery ("cycle"), loops (including infinite ones), infinity symbols, the number and figure 8, number 1, prime, rabbits, red, green, egypt and its cities; pyramids and arc and arches and tent (triangles, generally); black and white stripes; rainbows; lions; wine; fertilizer; permaculture; nature; purple/pink flowers; beach/water scenes; sail boats (sail silhouettes = triangles); refugees; rasta; fractals; pig imagery; light/lighting,illumination,lumi; pot; vets (employment opps and charties for warriors); random/interesting fact sites/twitter feeds, etc.

Evidence will be in the form of repeated words/comments, pictures, notes, profile pics of friends, followers, background scenes, themes (hope), symbols (examples: hearts, crowns, kings, etc), name patterns, (ex: 'craig' is a hugely reoccurring name, along w/ some others - leo, lee, adam lambert (fanpages, think: Lambert the Gentle (moo)  Lion), con, kahn, davis, luke, evan, conner/connor)) and more. Patterns become obvious after a while. Generally, places you might be able to hide a message in plain sight.

This rabbit hole is possibly deep and wide.  Its chaotic and contradictory, there are cold trails.  A rebel alliance makes sense - only way to take down the death star/empire/u.s. (recall a recent libertarian article about destroying the death star not being bad for the inhabitants of the death star, dark wallets).  It would give some logic to resistance to mass adoption strategies - would draw too much attention to bad practices (scams, p & ds, etc) or have other outcomes these groups fight against (greed, possible envt problems w/ mining, capitalism, big data gathering, etc).  

EDIT:https://network23.org/dogecoin/2015/02/27/lee-leo-leigh-li-lion-lions-bitcoin/

I don't think he and his dead friend are "Satoshi Nakamoto". He is only seeking for attention. This is dangerous BTW. That means following:

Immediately after the story was out, police came and searched his house. Maybe the CIA will send him to Guantanamo to interrogate him and after years they will think: Wow this guy is tough, because he can't give them any useful information.  

This whole story is only about giving the mainstream media more attention and so people are starting to buy the oldfashioned "WIRED" magazine. That is so poor journalism.

No one will ever know who Satoshi Nakamoto is and that's good.

By the way we had a member in our local Bitcoin group who also insisted that he worked together with Satoshi Nakamoto. Total nonsense of course. I think a lot of local Bitcoin meetups have their: "I would like to be Satoshi..." but this is dangerous BTW.

Standard head fake.

Exactly. Satoshi went to great lengths to maintain his anonymity. We won't find him putting his anonymity at risk by attending Bitcoin conferences.

I don't follow. Satoshi's (arguably) 1.1M BTC is only ~7% of coins currently in existence. Blowing them out might tank the price down to near-zero -- for at least minutes. It'd be probably back to at least 50% value within a day, 75% within a month, and 200% within a year, as the market no longer would be factoring the possibility into EV. How exactly is that 'pulling the rug out'?


If you expected Satoshi to be some sort of a god, then you really did not think this through.

http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

No signed message no satoshi, as easy as that.

The price would tank to near zero before even 1/3 of that stash is sold, considering all the existing buy orders.
That would deal a deadly blow to the market and recovery would be hard when people know that SN still has plenty of coins to dump

Satoshi seems like a very logical person and dumping his stash like that would be an extremely illogical decision. I can see him slowly selling off part of the coins, which wouldn't negatively impact the price

Your logic works only if you can safely assume that one did not have significantly more hash power than others. Rational speculation, but inconclusive as a proof.


Possible, but an unlikely reach. You can't envision a person (e.g.) appending a simple <date string> between 'wallet' and '.dat' in the filename?


Yes, an analysis was performed of the nonce in each coinbase transaction for the first few years of Bitcoin. If one graphs the nonce against block height, one can clearly see interesting patterns therein. One of the patterns is a simple increment by one of the nonce for consecutive or near-consecutive* coinbase transactions. The sum of the coinbase transactions in these series came to (IIRC) ~960,000 BTC. I find this plausible evidence to assume that one entity scored darn near a million BTC in the early days of mining.

* near-consecutive, as other unrelated transactions -- including some with their own distinctive patterns in the same graphing -- are interspersed.

eta: Syke has located part of this evidence:

I find it unlikely as well. However, not beyond the realm of possibility.

Or Registering a bunch lame Bitcoin domains LOL

Looks like I have to repost this. Stop getting tricked by con artists.

I wasn't talking about me, I was referring to the hoards of other people that do.


7% of $6,181,000,000 market cap is $432M of value.  Daily trade volume is about $6M currently, there is no way that the market can swallow $432M of value in a day or two.  There is also no way $432M would be put on the exchanges with a sell price of near zero if its been kept safe in a trust for 10+years.  

It would be a prolonged dump over the course of many weeks if anything, carefully calculated to exit that position as quickly as possible whilst still maximizing returns.  It would have to be orchestrated as even a gradual sell off of that much volume within a reasonable time frame would deflate the price and keep it there, which would have the potential to trigger a flash paper panic sell at any moment.

If you think that all of those Bitcoins getting dumped, either quickly or slowly, wouldn't end up in a bloodbath of some kind at some point, then you really did not think this through ;)

For some value of 'near zero', I could buy 1.1M BTC. And I would. As, I imagine, many others in this space would as well. Thereby leading to that figure of 'near zero' not particularly near zero.

all that link shows is even at block 12 (2 hours after launch) satoshi wasn't alone.. yet the guy in the article still gave it a black dot..

also hal finney joins in at block 70+ so thats like 12 hours after launch.. making 3 people mining bitcoin on day one..

Well, so what?

First, unless one created some interesting difficult coordination between multiple machines, then multiple mining machines would likely not form part of the same nonce series. Ergo, if Satoshi had multiple machines mining, they would likely be indistinguishable on this graph from one machine owned by Satoshi and others owned by others.

Second, do you have another explanation for this visible evidence that one nonce series results in a stash of 980,000 BTC?

Yes even i feel same but this guy was not satoshi and he cannot be satoshi, Wired did that for their own TRP and to gain more attention I hope satoshi will come back with a solution as you said.

With all this interesting speculation being bandied about, I'd like to discuss the previously unbroached subject that I find most intriguing.

First, we have no claim of which I am aware on the part of Dr Wright that he is Satoshi. Let's set that aside...

The interesting thing from my viewpoint is his claim that he owns the 15th most powerful supercomputer as per the universally recognized Top 500 list. This here should be a verifiable fact. Has anyone looked into it?

Number 17 of Top 500's Nov 2015 list does list a 'CO1N', owned by 'Tulip Trading' of Australia:

http://www.top500.org/list/2015/11/

If the ownership of this checks out, then our Dr. Wright is indeed an interesting and significant character, whether or not he be Satoshi. His claim that he has been using this system to model Bitcoin scalability for several years is vastly more important than whether or not he is Satoshi. Satoshi birthed Bitcoin, which should be enough. But that is the past. Results of scalability modeling may have an important impact on Bitcoin's future.

because it's their job.. no agenda needed.
all they require is a news tip that is plausible *enough.

That's the reason why I don't read newspaper anymore and surely not WIRED!

https://theconversation.com/profiles/craig-s-wright-3334

https://i.imgur.com/hnl1TnT.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/470238110735814656/rA84eW2q_400x400.jpeg http://www.skypaint.com/gavin/GrandCanyon.JPG

Any questions?

I know you need two computers networked together to mine, but I don't know if they both need to be mining, or if one can be a node and the other can mine by itself. Could the other miner at block 12 be Satoshi's second computer mining blocks? If he needed two computers to start the network isn't it probable that he used both of them to mine?

Well, it's stable.

I'm wondering now: if this is true, why would Satoshi become public now? This is all so strange...

I don't think it is strange. It is normal and it won't be the last time there will appear a new "Satoshi Nakamoto" in the news.

Yes it is confirmed.  Public records.  All points back to Craig Wright.  

And a very sane post which raises important questions will eventually (hopefully) start becoming the more sane and productive focus of discussion after the handwringers get all the drama out of their system.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-incredible-career-of-the-australian-scientist-suspected-of-creating-bitcoin-2015-12

no, it's not normal, as i see it, this is an impostor because the right time for revealing at the public would be when bitcoin will be globally adopted everywhere, with a fully mainstream status

instead doing it like that does not make sense at all, besides being silly and fake, at best he could steal the private key form satoshi, this could be more true...

There's a snapshot from 2 Jun 2014 here: http://archive.is/oe1fh
But this can be "long term planned con".

If, in fact, bitcoin technology is on the verge of some wild change, then it would make sense his appearance now. Otherwse, its just pure BS, really...

anyway, i was convinced at first, but as time passes I'm getting more skeptic about it.

Yup.. did you Fap ? I sure did  8)

What a god damn stud !
He is almost as manly as Vlad ROFL

http://i66.tinypic.com/33vhg94.jpg

Well i think if it is not directly the real satoshi then it should be someone relatives to him, any friends or any developer of him at least.

Good points but knowing who Satoshi really is ..is important !

What the hell is this from 2007? (found via Craig Wright's email gleaned from here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080621001824/http://www.blogger.com/profile/08415993939211056384)

https://books.google.com/books?id=8hujhG574csC&pg=PA400&lpg=PA400&dq=%22craig.wright@bdo.com.au%22&source=bl&ots=m4C9LbH2Kc&sig=Llxsn06Uzrn8GfaP11OFPsDXVfI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX2M-6yM_JAhVKeT4KHZigAv4Q6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://i.imgur.com/WfWhGVK.jpg

yea


as shown in block 12 that has same initial sequence but started later thus having a lower number. meaning both people started with the same nonce but the second person was behind due to starting later
it wasnt until an update that people began using their own random nonces. yet some noobs could have used the original v0.1 code and thus were using same initial sequence

Right.  Why would he need money if he has a million bitcoins?  It looks like a pretty simple con job, people here are overthinking it.

2 years ago, he started faking evidence that he was satoshi.  Not to fool the general public or any news outlets, but to fool individuals into giving him money.

He comes up with some Trust Fund concept that gives him an excuse for why he can't spend his BTC until 2020.  Gullible investors think he's a billionaire and that they only have to wait 5 years before he can give them piles of cash.  

Well, no.

I don't find it particularly important. Sure, it is of interest. But what does it matter? Bitcoin has left the nest. There is nothing that the originator of Bitcoin can do to Bitcoin than any of the rest of us can do.

I wonder what the other guys in that video think and other super old Bitcoin guys.
You would think a few of these older guys who started with Satoshi way back would come and speak up about this.

@jbreher
Those coins we speculated he may have / had.

This is an Amazing Research Find!  I can't wait to hear the names of all the gullible investors that have been defrauded!  Please continue on with the facts.  Truly amazing stuff!   Not total "made-up-poof-out-of-thin-air" at all.

So, do you write code, or fiction novels?  It does have the beginning of a good dramatic work of fiction.  But lucky for us you have facts, and are getting ready to release the list of all the investors that have been bilked out of 10's of thousands of bitcoins.  Oh boy you are an awesome researcher - this is Breaking News!  None of the other news organizations have come up with it yet!  You scooped em all!  Yayyyy!   ROFLMAO

You are still not getting it. The 980,000 can only rationally be explained by a single computer. We don't have multiple computers working in tandem. That would result in repeated nonces from one block to the the next. Instead we have what can only rationally be explained by a single instance monotonically increasing by one for a considerable number of blocks, then resetting. If it were multiple computers, even if they were resetting with the same period, they would frequently result in multiple hits of the same nonce value (one per miner) within a handful of blocks. They certainly wouldn't manifest as unbroken sequences of increment by one, with synchronized reset to zero.

https://i.imgur.com/5hUh1H7.jpg

Yeah, but can Vlad create then mine a PoB (Proof of Bouldering) altcoin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xldKoNhIvaU

Question: Why hadn't nary a gullible investor, potential or otherwise, not come out earlier exposing Craig Wright given that they had to be privy to Craig's claims that he had close ties to Satoshi if not being part of Team Satoshi himself?

If he's Satoshi, all I can give him is a warm welcome back to the community.  ;D

Bitcoin isn't centralized, so it doesn't mater. I would just understand the "fear of the dump" but even if he was incognito he could have done it already.

I'm glad you're on the case Bruno. You seem to have a talent for digging stuff up.

I've lost track - Klieman's the dead dude, right? The holder of the trust? Did I see elsewhere he's an ex-cop with a background hacking investigations?

http://www.eventsupplies.co.uk/uploads/images/supersize/f9_chrome_l.jpg


http://www.intelligentexploit.com/view-details.html?id=7640

I am Satoshi

2020 dump will be epic.  :P

I'm not convinced yet but at least they have some "evidence"

Looks like Craig Wright considerably shorten his Linkedin page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigswright

Did not read through the thread, but here goes...

I think all of this is a huge hoax, apart from the obvious part where satoshi can easily prove his identity by either posting on this forum, or any other known place he's been at...
How in the hell does this random guy come out of nowhere and start saying he's Satoshi Nakamoto? And people believe it.
Then the Wired article came out, I read it through and it looks so fake (for a lack of better term). So theatrical and unbelieveable.

If Wright really is Satoshi, congratulations! You;ve made my life a lot better. Now if you want to be known as Satoshi, spare five minutes and prove it as you should.

Take a look at this from 2008: http://www.vidarholen.net/~vidar/overwriting_hard_drive_data.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/zFImjYj.jpg

It's possible that Craig Wright did some legit work with Dave Kleiman back in the day unrelated to Bitcoin, then Craig developed some scheme in his Serial Uni mind to take advantage of Dave's demise, i.e., making it look like Dave was Satoshi since he's no longer around to deny it, thinking it prudent to not claim he and Hal Finney were Team Satoshi just in case the Popsicle came back to life, exiting his cryo chamber earlier than expected.

its a pretty convincing article i must say, and from watching the guy at a recent bitcoin meetup he seems pretty convincing, but lets face it who cars who satoshi is?  if he dosnt want to be found then then leavce him to it.  if he wanted i am sure he counld easily revele himself tomorrow and prove it.   ;D

Because it's not 2020 yet. 

And seeing this puts the last nail in the coffin: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w027x/dr_craig_steven_wright_alleged_satoshi_by_wired/cxslii7

Go away Wright!

I don't think the real Satoshi would attend a Bitcoin meetup because he values his privacy. The article doesn't convince me, it admits the whole thing could be an elaborate hoax, and picks holes in the "evidence. All the leaked documents are unverified, all the blog posts were edited, and the PGP key had its timestamp altered to make it look like it was created years earlier.

great find, never thought it was him. real Satoshi would probably just make a thread here signed with his bitcoin address...

...... unverified doesn't = untrue.
And, a simple reason for attending the conference could have been to control the release of the news.  If he new that his name was going to be released by Wired/Gizmoto, maybe this was his attempt to slowly step into the light, which he realized was going to be inevitable anyway.

They discovered nothing, nor will they. There's a good reason why Satoshi went silent, and that is to get away from government and press attacks.
It looks like now they are trying to lure him out by "exposing" other as him, trying to make him come out and show himself, but he's way smarter than that.

Brazen!

https://www.facebook.com/Dr.CraigSWright/

https://i.imgur.com/KYIjmBO.jpg

Indeed... that's weird how an IT security and forensics expert got doxxed by "leaked emails"...  ???

https://web.archive.org/web/20111123103148/http://craig-wright-cv.blogspot.com/

can real Satoshi Nakamoto really write a bullshit article like this?

https://theconversation.com/are-anonymous-and-lulzsec-about-to-hack-paypal-for-wikileaks-2582

this is completely fake.

Did you miss the part where he told someone to "leak" his email ?










That's not a leak.  That's him dictating press releases.

Well, only one way to be sure; have him sign something with the private part of this key:


Otherwise he is just looking for publicity!
And about that 10th Jan 09 with him releasing Bitcoin, would be nearly impossible for that page to be online for so long without anyone noticing it.

"please leak"  ;D ;D This guy is definitely not Satoshi.

The dude is a vaporware conman taking money from investors and running dozens of fake companies, he's been masquerading as SN for years, how could you people fall for this crap?

This doc here is pretty interesting (http://www.mcgrathnicol.com/app/uploads/D14-140526-Hotwire439AReport-BFK.pdf). I'd like to see that 30 million dollar tx on the blockchain. Also, it appears this guy got goxxed...  :P

The Directors have advised that $30 million was subscribed to by the shareholders in paid up capital and
this was injected via Bitcoins

+ Dr Wright, as the major shareholder no longer being able to provide financial accommodation to the
Company due to the collapse of the Mount Gox Bitcoin registry where we understand Dr Wright had a
significant exposure.

Edit - I think he's a con myself, the IPO for his company that was linked to earlier that runs that supercomputer is up soon, so he needs MOAR money!!!

Mount Gox?!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I laughed so HARD!!!!

MtGox standed for "Magic the Gathering Online eXchange", was what Jed was doing when he appeared around. That was before MagicalTux buy it from him.

Well, we might as well add plagiarism to Craig Wright's list of accomplishments: http://attrition.org/errata/plagiarism/it_regulatory_standards_compliance_handbook.html

http://attrition.org/errata/plagiarism/craig_wright.jpg

Snippet:

If this man is the real Satoshi, it should be easy to prove: he must own the key to the wallet which holds a million BTC. I don't understand that story about a trust which prevents him from cashing them. If he's the inventor, he must have the key to this wallet, and he just need to make one little transaction (eventually to another wallet he owns) to get everyone convinced.

https://www.csu.edu.au/anrl/people

https://i.imgur.com/hqJWxi8.jpg

https://who.is/whois/information-defense.com/


http://web.archive.org/web/20131001000000*/http://INFORMATION-DEFENCE.COM (http://web.archive.org/web/20131001000000*/http://INFORMATION-DEFENCE.COM)

redirects to: http://web.archive.org/web/20140104224830/http://idef.ca/

http://web.archive.org/web/20110225151016/http://idef.ca/carl-anctil/


https://twitter.com/canctil

https://i.imgur.com/NDJo4aD.jpg

Eh, even Hackingteam got hacked and all of their emails are on Wikileaks now.

Which is why we have Wright asking them about a $20k SQL injection tool

https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/?q=cwright

No.  (Re topic)

Someone on Reddit found this very intriguing comment under a 2014 Techcrunch Bitcoin article from David Kleiman's father (the guy in the facebook photo seems senile enough to let on something he shouldn't have?):

http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/10/bitcoin-wins-best-technology-achievement-but-satoshi-doesnt-show/


WTF???

http://marc.info/?l=security-basics&m=114408728823821&w=1

Hey, couldn't Gavin Andresen confirm? Didn't he say once, that he knew who Satoshi was?
I'm not sure, and I can't find a link but I think I read an article where he said he had met or talked with Satoshi once.

Anyway, if not him, some one else must be able to confirm.

https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/291998_258095580893112_1125711690_n.jpg?oh=5782b421fc6e3eb0f68bd9e8c4e6d643&oe=56DC9437

Grandpa Satoshi is 94 years old. 32 SWAT officers armed to the gills to raid his home in 5..... 4.... 3...

What are you quoting dude? The linked email doesn't have the domain example "satoshi", but "ignorant".

Satoshi has always kept his identity private at all costs, even to people he worked with on bitcoin's code. Would he post on his blog, with his real name, that he was the creator of bitcoin?

And a public post about such a controversial issue, posted 6 years ago, didn't attract any attention for this long? No one read his blog? Edited post...

Satoshi made it clear that he wasn't interested in working any longer on bitcoin. He wouldn't talk on a bitcoin conference. That would attract too much attention. And he wouldn't keep mining bitcoin.

Furthermore, as other posted, there are problems with the PGP key.

Maybe this guy is an old bitcoiner or maybe he is faking even this. But I would be very surprised if he was Satoshi.

Clearly, those reporters from Wired are much more careful and intelligent than previous so-called discoverers of the real Satoshi (you are looking for a mastermind of disguise, so, where do you find him? Of course, on the yellow pages, using his real name!), they too are very suspicious.

I could write "Next"! Or write about the probable candidate. But I won't. Respect Satoshi privacy. Leave him alone. We owe him this and much more than this.

He replaced ignorant with satoshi.
Still his basic explain on how DNS works seams pretty lame for someone with his said curriculum.

As someone familiar with academia, this is quite normal. I've seen many people with 10+ "Book-smart" type certs, - CISSP/MSCE/SANS/GIAC etc etc etc,.. then you work with them and you realize they are book-brilliant, but have zero real-life experience (usually, I should add, as there are exceptions there).

Nothing to see here, move along.
Bottom line, that guy isn't Satoshi and his story makes no sense.

https://i.imgur.com/fnpgx6a.jpg?1

Satoshi's PGP Keys Are Probably Backdated and Point to a Hoax

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-probably-backdated-and-point-to-a-hoax#oo

At this stage, technically it does not really matter who is Satoshi, similar to it does not matter who invented nuclear weapon. But those 1 million coins that possibly Satoshi is still holding obviously attract lots of people, thus the raid

In future, anyone who have more than 1 bitcoin need to hire a bodyguard  ;)

That damn Carl Wright is rewriting history again, or:

http://images.firstcovers.com/covers/flash/b/bazinga-714589.jpg

And yet you still cannot list the victims, point to any prior actual scams, and in contradiction it can be proved he operates a supercomputer (definitely the area of expertise for the average scam artist - probably just a hobby side job) and has access to millions of dollars.

That was what i was thinking too.
And that 2008 bit of info is bullshit.
I wiped data for the Canadian govt.. 4 years before that was posted.
And i had to choose what pattern / passes etc.
This expert was spouting nonsense.. even a retard knows that spots on drives are flagged right from the factory.
they are made flawed before they leave the factory and in time those bad blocks pop up more and more as the drive dies.
When that happens it takes spare blocks from the pool and redirects to the good block instead the bad flagged one.
That is how all hard drives work.
Only a few years ago i threw away my old 256 mb had drives (or smaller)
I had too much crap collecting dust.
So his point of writing to the same spot will of course never work because the spots are different on ever drive *almost guaranteed.

And the hacker man found out how to press the service buttons on his coffee maker and break it needing service ?
Wow what a hacker LOL

I thin k this guy has a habit of flapping his gums and tooting his horn but doesn't have the game to back it up.

And in case anyone cares i used US DOD something like 3 passes back in 2004'sih and that took like 24hrs to do in DOS.

Wright is an idiot.

I wonder if while in the UK Craig Wright is trying to hook with Amir and DarkCoin.

Curious how any human beeing could survive that. The craving to kill oneselves must be overwhelming.

It seems the numbers and values of bitcoin at that time did not match: In september 2011, 1 million BTC worth more than 5 million dollar. And you really can not do a lot with 100K dollar in a trust

And by looking at such a contract you will feel sad that no matter how secure bitcoin is, you still can not trust another person without a contract and the protection of law enforcement. Maybe that's why he want to write all these into blockchain, but then the problem is who is going to enforce it without law enforcement?

Recall, it's a Tulip Trust with $100K in bulbs, so it's when they bloom where the big bucks are made.

Ya no doubt that would eat me alive until death ROFL
And i read that stuff and it seems that 100k figure was far too high too (read that part of it at Gismodo)

I don't know what to think of this mess of drama..

I think Wright is an idiot and a blow hard who is in serious trouble with the tax man in AUS.

Also seems like he is indirectly making it look like Kleinman was Satoshi sort of..
Yet in that Tulip Trust doc we see Wright claiming he will send 1.1 million BTC to Kleinman.
So wright is making it look like he originally owned the alleged Satoshi fortune.

Also it worth pointing out the Tulip Doc was an unfinished Draft email leaked with strange inconsistencies etc.
I have seen no proof that it was SENT to anyone official etc. ..and acted on !

EDIT
Where is Nick Z. ?
If he was in the video with this guy saying that stuff before.. has anyone asked what he thinks of this recent news ?

Gavin ? theymos ?
What do all the older guys think ?

Theymos seems to think NO...

I would very much agree with that assessment - the question is why?  I mean, I guess some people just crave attention but he seems to want more than that?  Maybe he wants to claim Satoshi's Nobel prize money?

Yeah i seen that comment but was not sure it was him etc.
I did not look at that users account history just noticed it was a noob account.

Also i see a HUGE amount of topics about this here and by the titles
none of them seem to have any other info that has not been posted here already.

I want to hear from some super old Bitcoin guys who were around when this stuff launched.
G. Maxwell i guess said something.. i can't remember who that guy is though LOL

I hope there is a liquidation sale. I could use a good deal to fill in some plots around my castle.

They have more important things to do than paying attention to half ass journalism

As soon as i read the article, i knew this is a hoax. Yet idiots in this forums are making a big fuss about it.

Some idiots even believe his "credentials". Hint for you dumbass out there: If any scholar who is more interested in advanced study, they would have enrolled in some top tier school, doing real research..... Not a for profit low tier school. Notice how all his degrees are from the same shitty school?

Fact: Australia is known to sell low end educations to attract visa students from third world countries around it (China, South East Asia ...etc ) Since early 1990s there are many for profit "universities". Sadly Australia is still considered " Western " country by its neighbors.

If he were to claim that, he would have to provide undeniable proof.
Until that proof is presented, this is a hoax, iMO.

Can't say I've looked into the details enough, but, the fact that this guy has inconsistencies in his evidence, a history of poor business performance, tax issues, etc. To me he sounded like a confidence man. Then, by coincidence I saw this article today http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/opinion/sunday/born-to-be-conned.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/opinion/sunday/born-to-be-conned.html). Everyone reading this thread should take a look. To me it describes the people on these forums that are trying to back up the claims that Wright is Satoshi.

IF he is satoshi we will find out when he makes a 'deal' with the Australian Tax authorities imho ...they will not let this go ...and if anything like the USA ...we just fine and release ...he would probably need to move some coin from the satoshi account ..if like the USA they 'claimed' revenue etc on such in some manner (not sure)..but anyway if he really is satoshi that is how he will get out of this in the clear..the american way..just fine your way out of the mess with your 'hidden' stashes etc etc

IF he is satoshi and not in that much of a bind..he will still have to prove it or suffer the consequences of STILL being followed about ..likely stalked for kidnap reasons..etc ..he will need security unless he can convince majority he is NOT satoshi...but now if he is not satoshi he is soo....screwed on safety/authorities looking at him/ etc (assuming someone leaked this info simply to destroy him if so well played well played indeed)

So for his sake imho he better be Satoshi..it would still suck ..but he probably could get out of the Australian Tax Problem with a good lawyer....tax wise and a settlement..I doubt if there was a way around this the Australian Authorities beyond a fine and slap on the wrist would want to toss in Prison the inventor of bitcoin (or co-inventor) especaialy if someday ..again if he moved coin and proved he was Satoshi....the frigging Australian ..if Satoshi would probably 'someday' get the nobel prize in economics....now that such is known

Also by doing such he could 1) have some sway in BTC (not sure if this is good or bad he may be a nut but from his point of view) ..and all the 'hoopla'  of such 2) he could reassure that his hoard will be managed correctly in some 'blind trust' manner imho and thus make his hoard worth more (ie he won't dump beyond such and such per year) 3) he could get the proper advisors ..including security ...in his now complicated life

again ...IF he really is satoshi he may as well fess up and "pay it forward' as the founder of BTC because unless it is 'conclusively proved' he is NOT then folk will hound him to the ends of the Earth...Satoshi or not ..would NOT want to be this guy.....fake or not :)

Back in March of this year I presented a pretty definitive case that Leroy Fodor is a serial liar and that one shouldn't trust his StakeMiners Ponzi (see my sig). Since then, supposedly 180+ still joined his endeavor that by all accounts is currently uber insolvent.

Living now in the UK perhaps as a broke bloke, he has no means to defend himself against those that may believe he's flush, coupled with having loosing all cred due to the stunt he pulled. Not even a hundred more three-letter accolades after his name is going to help him earn a respectable living. What entity wants to go on record in hiring Craig Wright?

I'm still baffled how all bitcoin related media sites wrote so much bullshit about this hoax. it's beyond me

\\I seccond this

Has it been unmasked yet?

I'm a little out out of date here.

You guys can keep cawing like crows it doesn't matter who Satoshi is crying like that Tranny way back..
"Leave Brittany Satoshi Alone !
But..
Chris is no longer gay and no longer doing porn and no longer a Tranny !
Yup.. he went back to being a straight guy (seen him doing a redemption on Tosh.0 way back)

Anyway since Bitcointalk just loves the whole tunnel vision / living in a delusional bubble routine.
Please let me take the time to let some light into your basements nerds..
Reality Check Time with Spoetnik !

- Your opinions mean squat.

The real world out there across the globe is who matters.
So when they all start going on about finding Satoshi.. they will of course look to us all for answers.
So like it or not we have to deal with this and not cry Leave Him Alone ..it don't matter.
It does matter.
To the people that matter.. average people around the globe not into Crypto nerd stuff.
If Reuters, Wired, Gizmodo etc post a story they will want to know what we think of it all.
Read the topic title..
Has Wired discovered the real Satoshi Nakamoto? (.. this time)

Wright it obvious that is simple a scammer.

Imho this is not Satoshi Nakamoto. Satoshi would not act like this.

When/if he decides to reveal his identity there will be no doubts about.

Please God, let Satoshi Nakamoto be alive and healthy.

One more time

[bitcoin-dev] Not this again.

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html

Hahaha, I agree. Satoshi has become more than a person, and as much as his identity is a mystery, it'd be hard for anyone to digest if any person were to claim or prove to be satoshi, because people can be a disappointment when you know them in real life, maybe he's better of as a mystery, makes him loved and respected for eternity.

do we guys need to know oe million guy theres osme not need to know identety i mean you dont know who invented money from a holed whell stone and after that by intelegence we do stil use digital good as money and we dont question who as been the real creator of thhis whell money

Wait...
If only I had known :P

Why do you think that? Aren't Wired evidences good?

I think this is closer to the truth:

Wright believed Kleiman was either Satoshi or had a huge stash of coins from the earliest days of Bitcoin. Being the scammer type that he seems to be, when Kleiman died he thought he'd have a chance to get hold of these coins by contacting his father and scoring himself a massive windfall. Also, with Kleiman dying it allowed Wright to jump on his bandwagon and claim that they were both Satoshi, the kind of thing a narcissistic ego would do, to try and stake a claim to any bitcoins Kleiman had.

The more it unfolds, the more it seems like Wright is just a scammer,as his world collapsed as the tax authorities closed in on him and his $50m+ Australian scam from government he saw this Kleiman angle as his only chance to solve his inevitable problem. Now that it's all coming crashing down he will end up bankrupt and maybe in prison.

As a scammer would, he tried to fix one scam by pulling off another, luckily it wont ever work in a world of crypto proof, and he will get what's coming to him. I think this Satoshi claim is the last desperate chance he had as he knew the end was nigh as the authorities closed in.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/revealed-the-ato-hit-suspected-bitcoin-creator-craig-steven-wrights-company-with-a-1-7-million-penalty-2015-12

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-australian-who-may-have-invented-bitcoin-claimed-to-have-landed-54m-in-taxpayer-funded-rebates-2015-12

Tax fraud on the scale alleged is going to court.  There are no two ways about that.

Through those proceedings, a lot more information about Wright will eventually become public.  Typically, though, such proceedings take years.

Whether or not Wright is Satoshi is irrelevant to the tax case but the tax case may ultimately reveal the answer to whether or nor Wright was involved in the early development of Bitcoin.

It will be interesting to see where the seized evidence leads.  Wright is interesting not for the possibility that he may be Satoshi, but because this could be the first Australian case of substantial tax evasion, money laundering, and fraud in which Bitcoin is central rather than incidental.

like a retard, I posted my opinion before actually reading the article, and now after doing so I think they have a very good argument that they found him. It should be interesting what develops, and I'll keep following this thread.

Capt. Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce: We can all be comforted by the thought that he's not really gone, there's a little Tuttle left in all of us, in fact you might say that all of us together made up Tuttle. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0638468/quotes)

TuttleCoin, anyone?

Not Dave Kleiman's father, but brother, Ira Kleiman.

Also, Craig Wright penned papers with Dave Kleiman up to at least 2008. What I've been able to uncover is that Craig had no public mentions of Bitcoin prior to 2013 that are legitimately documented.

Craig Wright and wife, Romona Watts, with possibly their children, are now residing in the UK.

Unlike a retard, I firmly believe your BCT's pseudonym has been spiking your purchases. It should be interesting to see what develops in your subsequent postings as we'll continue to follow your progress.

The story is the most convincing one of Satoshi's identity so far, but there are still some flaws and open questions which should be answered first.

Would bet all my Bitcoins that he is not Satoshi :)

So?  Paul Hogan has lived in the US forever but there was still a high profile court action against him by the ATO which lasted for years.

The UK isn't a barrier to either administrative or criminal action against Wright, and he clearly still has assets in Australia.  The UK will extradite, and if Wright is on an Australian passport he's kind of screwed because it can be easily frozen in the event of insolvency and/or criminal charges.

The ATO has considerable coercive powers, as does AUSTRAC.

There is one major flaw in your theory.  If Kleiman is indeed Satoshi and he died in 2013, how did he pen the "I am not Dorian" post?

This is a really interesting question. Have been any logic answer or good explanation given yet? The question is, who invited him to this conference, so this person should know that he has something to do with Bitcoin.

I would highly appreciate it if OP closed this thread. It's been proven that he's nothing more than a fraud. We're probably going to see a lot of similar stories in the future (we've had some in the past). It's not worth discussing it further.

Anybody that thinks a egotistical, self-promoting, no-nothing loser like Craig Wright is Satoishi is an idiot. The guy is an Australian for heaven's sake. Australia? Remember? The country with the rabbit-proof fence? They are idiots. Craig Wright can't even program his VCR, forget about computers.

Plenty of people get invited to conferences on the basis of self-promotion.  Do you really think conference organisers are going to check out whether he holds the degrees he claims to have been awarded, let alone whether he works with one of the biggest privately owned super-computers (even if he does, his role may be insignificant)?

That doesn't mean he's not Satoshi.  People can start out wanting to remain anonymous and later want credit and adulation (see Silk Road), but almost everything in the Wired article is self-referential so Wright could have claimed pretty much anything he wanted to conference organisers.  Seriously, look at the scams which have been perpetrated in the Bitcoin sphere in the past on the basis of nothing more than self-promotion.  People want to believe.

Or how to operate a smartphone camera to document Satoshi doing lifts and bouldering as demonstrated per uploads to Craig Wright's YouTube channel.

I didn't say Kleiman was Satoshi, I said Wright seems to have believed,for whatever reason, that Kleiman was Satoshi or at least involved in the creation of it. If Kleiman worked with Wright in previous years, as someone posted above, then Wright probably thought he'd been just a sidestep away from having been involved in it also. For a scammer/narcissistic personality the frustration and disappointment at being so close to it probably grew over the years as Bitcoin got bigger. Then, when Kleiman died his greed thought now was the chance to step into Kleimans shoes, try to get hold of his coins and probably his computer and his files and be able to claim that he was Satoshi himself.  The Tulip fund was probably  invented by Wright as a way to try and lay claim to any bitcoins that Kleiman had control over, basically saying they were his but Kleiman was custodian over them.

The interesting thing for me, with what they've uncovered, is why Wright thought Kleiman had a significant amount of coins or why he seemed to think Kleiman was important. If anything, i'd say the story should focus more on Kleimans associates and not the scammer Wright. Who did Kleiman work with around that time? is there any clues or was Wright just mistaken in thinking Kleiman was either involved or just held a huge amount of coins.

Here's all the info on Dave Kleiman: http://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

Don't think so that it would be huge if Satoshi's identity would be find. it is something that makes Bitcoin special and creates a legend if the creator keeps secret. No matter who he/she/they is/are, the idea and creation of Bitcoin was genius.

Craig was fifth on the list of speakers: http://bitcoininvestor.com/index.php/speakers/

https://i.imgur.com/9NNxeDf.jpg

Impressive story just read this and has never been so well informed about this.

Seriously ? i can't believe you would ask him to close this.
There is plenty to discuss..
And people are some what divided.

Further more all of the info on this topic got posted here first then copied to a ton of other topics littering the forum.
Get rid off all of those useless topics and leave just this one.

Lauda before they made you staff i continually questioned you activity and poor attitude in the Altcoin section.
You made a habit of coming after me and trying to argue all the time with a foul attitude.
Some times you seem normal and other time i am simply baffled by the shit you say.
And as a staff member you are dirt shit poor at it.
You act like a fucking Nazi dictator trying to jam your opinions down peoples throats.
Anyway it was obvious you did a little vanishing act.. then next time i seen you it said staff under your name.. and i laughed ROFL
(and the comment was deleted by someone too wow what a shocker)
Whos cock do you got to suck for that ?
Where did Eliot go to by the way ?
Seemed fishy how you two trolled the same topics way back.. and both vanished.

Most people who -ASK- to be put in charge on forums are retarded little douches or older moronic pricks.
Most normal people would not -WANT- to be in charge.
I did it before on a place more popular than this and had far worse trolls than you babies cry about
and it was easy to deal with and i never banned anyone or had any problems.
The mods are are often stupid and create problems when none exist.. because they want to moderate something.. anything !
My time as a Mod was boring and uneventful and i quit because kids coming up wanted to do it.
I have better things to do with my time.

Close the topic ?
What the fuck for ?
How about don't read it if it bugs you so much ?
And besides Lauda you claim we should leave Satioshi alone.. why because you assuming things because he used TOR ?
That proves sweet fuck all.. your jumping to conclusions.
Which is probably your agenda here actually.. pushing the leave him alone angle..
Because you know what Satoshi wants deep down more than all the rest of us..
Based on reading between the lines assuming things and jumping to conclusions.
The perfect set of traits to be staff  ::)

Lauda my opinion of -YOU- is your a pushy mouthy jerk.
I have seen that in your comments now for 3 years and my various run in's...
You are snappy, cranky, mouthy, argumentative and like to Troll on people with that account or others.
Terribly original shtick around here  ::)

EDIT:
i say that because you keep coming back to this topic saying Leave him alone or close the topic etc.
If people want to hunt Satoshi they will..

Please explain why you think he would need to prove a claim that he never made?

thanks for that, so here it what i think happened:

Wright and Kleiman were involved on Metzdowd, Kleiman much more so than Wright, Kleiman probably even told Wright about Bitcoin. Wright probably did nothing about it, but knew that kleiman had dabbled with it, mining from very early on and knew/thought that Kleiman amassed a huge amount of coins. Then, as the price grew, his jealousness/greed/anger grew because he hadn't done the same thing. Then when he died he thought he'd be able to fix all his anger/frustration/regret by getting hold of whatever Kleiman had.

If you look here, Kleiman posted on Metzdowd just 4 days before Satoshi and is only two below Satoshis post, so it makes sense that he was aware of it from the very start and may even have messed about with mining it from the very start.  
http://marc.info/?l=cryptography&r=1&w=2&b=200901

I would say, though, his post from a few days before would show that he wasn't SN or involved in the creating of it, he was involved in something else and, like Hal Finney, was just playing around with it right from the very start. Wright missed the opportunity and regretted it, then saw his chance to steal whatever Kleiman had when he died.

Should I close my thread about Leroy Fodor as well? How 'bout the BFL thread since it's obvious that they're no longer in operation. We also need to lock all of Satoshi's threads so that they don't get bumped for whatever reason. Black Arrow's thread?

I'm now curious as to what the litmus test consist of for one to become staff on this forum, wondering how close Dank came to making the cut.

Good to read but I doubt we will ever find out if this is how the story went.I mean Wright must had been sure, that Kleiman was holding a bigger amount of coins.
It's just two days and that Mr. Wright already annoys me!I feel sorry for the eople who have to deal with him in real life. :D

What an utterly curious brand of jingoistic xenophobia. Based upon the above drivel, you probably would not like whom I would choose between you or Dr. Wright as the idiot.

BTW: http://www.top500.org/list/2015/11/ Have a gander at #17.

Hey guys, if almost nobody believes Craig is satoshi, why the bitcoin price is still at its price (around 412 USD)? Shouldn't the price start to fall as the lie started to unravel?

LOL that makes no sense, just no sense at all. What you claim is that the price fall when it was at 1100 because nodbody knew the real Satoshi?
For me the real satoshi is hiding and probably for a good reason. We have to trust him on that. Let him be.

The worse part here is that this guy isn't the real Satoshi, the real one should feel terrible hearing about him. But what could he do without revealing himself (or herself)? Maybe that's the ultimate goal, forcing the real Satoshi to reveal himself (or herself)!

https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigswright

https://i.imgur.com/5QSQ0a5.jpg

Somewhere in the UK, Craig Steven Wright is trying to secure a multi-million-dollar loan using his 500+ nodes as collateral. HAHAHA

https://www.quora.com/Has-anyone-performed-linguistic-analysis-between-the-writings-of-Nick-Szabo-and-all-the-posts-Satoshi-Nakamoto-has-made-on-p2p-foundation-to-expose-a-potential-positive-correlation/answer/Craig-S-Wright

https://i.imgur.com/Ykmyh9k.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIZWVu6XsO4

https://i.imgur.com/GTOfa2d.jpg
"Nick, you facepalm and I'll masturbate while Craig Wright's listin' his accolades. Shit, Ms Seven stopped him to ask about his Bitcoin connection. <zip!>"

Do you have a source/link for this?

I am not exactly sure what the context was exactly the author of the article means by "draft" however at the very least, he was considering to outright make the claim that he is satoshi (if the leaked emails/documents are to be believed), and I cannot think of anyone else who can be described as "running bitcoin since 2009" other then satoshi (also if the leaked transcripts with tax authorities are to be believed).

Come on guys how can anyone after all that false evidence still believe that this Scammer can be Satoshi? Is very clear that this guy is simple a scamer and that he create this hoax for a solution to his economical problems
I believe that and his education is fake and everything he has in his c.v.
Dave Kleimen also is not Satoshi. The last message from Satoshi here in this forum was when this guy was in hospital. The story is fake.

true, it can't be him, doesn't add up!

No, what I meant was this:

If the price went up after the "suposedly-satoshi" discovery, why isn't it falling now that almost everybody realized it was a scamm?

Probably because the cause of the rise in price was not this "revelation", although many here and in many places were claiming it was.

from bitcoindesk:

Motherboard also analysed the keys, demonstrating that they could easily have been back-dated to show they were created in 2008. A key's creation date can be manipulated by changing the date and time of the machine it is created on.

Additionally, keys can be created that are linked to email addresses that the user doesn't control. Motherboard journalists demonstrated the creation of a backdated key and one linked to an email address not under their control.

Wright's whereabouts are currently unknown. Australian police raided his home and office several hours after the Wired and Gizmodo stories were published.

Well, this intrigues me as well, since it's pretty obvious the upward trend in price of yesterday as a few moments after the first blogs posted about it.

Any clues on why the price isn't falling?

The price started moving upwards during/following the Hong Kong confernence. I'd sooner attribute it to that. But I doubt there's one single cause. It moved because it was time to move.

During the panel discussing in Vegas, Wright was broadcasting from the UK, and his former landlord stated that he and his family moved to the UK loading up a cargo container with his personal belongings about week prior to the raid, hence the garbage cans were still at the curb and mail in the mailbox not picked up. Craig went from a month-to-month lease to a week-to-week lease prior to the final move according to his landlord.

Anybody know what he owes the taxman all told?

my theory

Wright learned about bitcoin in 2010-2011 not knowing much. he wanted to find a way to make some assets appear.. to use as collateral
without having private keys. he noted down all the PUBLIC keys that still had 50btc in them from [other people] in 2009. because he knew they wont move. so it will give him a couple years grace before anyone questions him

he then got his friend to draw up a trust contract and said that these public addresses belonged to him and he was 'satoshi' allowing his friend to see the public addresses and see they did infact hold coins.(unspendable by wright as they are only public keys anyone can grab, not the privkeys)

now Wright used this trust, which has been 'noted' to hold 1million coins , and used it as collateral to get alot of real money loans.

scamming many corporate and government agencies by not proving he was satoshi by signing a message using any of these addresses, not using a valid pgp key known to only the real satoshi.. but by just emulating an email address to use as a 'proof' that the tulip trust was legit
....
maybe we should all do that. grab some public addresses of funds we know havnt/cant move.. pretend that we own them and create a $400 million fake trust to use as collateral to get $50mill+ of real money

the price rise was not because of "Wright AKA satoshi"

it was because day-traders seen the word "bitcoin" plastered on many media outlets..
simply, any news mentioning the word 'bitcoin' is good news and free publicity. doesnt matter what the story is.. if the headline says bitcoin, day traders will see this as an oncoming storm of new bitcoin users, even if Wright is found a fraud. the word "bitcoin" will continue to hit the headlines for a while, whilst media keep talking.. thus more people will see the word bitcoin even if the story is changing from "he is" to "he isnt".. day traders wont care about the he is or isnt, just the word bitcoin being in the press for a couple weeks+

Interesting stuff. especially kleinman's father posting in 2014 on random news article about his son's involvment in bitcoin. wow.

Anyhow, not sure if these have been reposted. warning, last link has gruesome pdf's from his deceased partner's local news / death investigation. Then again, some y'all may be into that shit, ugh.  :P

http://gizmodo.com/craig-wright-the-man-who-claimed-he-invented-bitcoin-1747137188

http://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/riviera-beach-man-helped-invent-bitcoin-7443127

http://www.coindesk.com/satoshi-nakamoto-unmasking-might-be-driving-bitcoins-price-rally/

such a coincidence, isn't it?

Epic!


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--i67sZj-Z--/nca5o4rxvo68xprgmjm9.png

So do the supercomputers exist or not?

This is what I'm most interested in.

I guess it had to be proven of its existence otherwise I don't see how it could've been ranked 15/17/? out of 500.

he just works at a data centre.. big deal.. give it two weeks and he will be working at the prison kitchen.. both of which have no relevance to bitcoin

The minutes of the meetings between him and the ATO suggest he was somewhat more than 'just a worker at a data centre'. Do most 'workers in a data center' negotiate directly with their nation's tax authorities over how many millions of dollars is the proper figure under law to which they are entitled?

But by all means, invent whatever fantasy you care to.

Yes, they exist. Full title is yet to be shown. But the as-of-yet-available evidence there, anyhow, seems supportive of the claim that Dr Wright is the majority owner of the company that owns the world's #17 supercomputer.

By end of 2009, any then-miner -- or even anyone running a full node -- could be described as 'running bitcoin'. Claiming to be doing such != claiming to be Satoshi.

And a (granted somewhat respected) news site claims to have been leaked a pdf of an (unsent) draft of letter, provenance unspecified,  which includes the words 'Satoshi Nakamoto'. I am not grating this as necessarily being a signature, especially in light of the text - “Would our Japanese friend have weight coming out of retirement?”. 'Satoshi Nakamoto in this case might be merely giving a proper name to the subject of the rhetorical question. Either way, unsent drafts of letters obtained through unknown manners from unknown sources are hardly a public claim of identity.

Sorry. Inadmissible. Case dismissed for lack of evidence.

Did we start a book club because this thread is nothing but fantasy.  

Mr Wannabe Nakamoto here is a fucking loon.

there's youtube clips of him talking about his super computer, and also of one of his staff talking in great detail.

there's also lots of his lectures online, and they're quite detailed and he seems to have been lecturing for years about computing, security etc.

he had a youtube channel but its been taken offline.  i managed to download most of the videos before it disappeared, so if helpful i have them archived


here’s an example of one of his lectures.   there’s lots of them…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq_kVixpxrI


here’s an interview on computer security

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyxyhWEF4rE

an interview..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAyWT3nljBI

another example lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9rbPbgjIE


here’s his youtube channel.  as mentioned, lots of videos of his family doing very normal and fun family type stuff (granny dancing to Gangnam Style, Craig Wright, exercising at the gym etc).   and two technical videos, one by him and one by one of his employees talking about their supercomputer project.  it seems quite impressive.   he does mention bitcoin mining in there...  the video was dated 2014, and he had a pretty powerful super computer (lots of xeons with gpus programmed in cuda etc).  a bit late for gpu mining, in 2014, but if he had it in 2013 or earlier then it would've been mining a lot of coins.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC61KC8uew8xuNAs42A-yI7w

Listen, give it up.

A huge percentage of people believe Craig = Satoshi, or at least that it is possible.  And there is no definitive smoking gun that proves he isn't.   So run along and try and bully other people into conforming to your thinking by force of tough words and bravado.  

It's called freedom to think and believe what we want in case you aren't familiar with the concept.

having viewed some of his lectures, he clearly shows he's very techie and competent.  he understands computer architectures and programming at a very detailed level.  he is knowledgeable about supercomputing as well as programming in Assembler and C (and presumably Forth, since he mentioned that in the las vegas investor video).  he's no amateur programmer...  his programming capability seems to be well above average and seems capable of doing the job

btw, in his lecture he offers students (presumably free) access to his supercomputer to try things out.