Has Wired discovered the real Satoshi Nakamoto? (.. this time)

[Gleb Gamow]

I wonder if while in the UK Craig Wright is trying to hook with Amir and DarkCoin.

[e-coinomist]

There's more here: http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

That's quite an interesting read, more detailed than Wired

So apparently Craig sold 1.1 million BTCs back in Sept 2011 for $100,000 and was trying to form a secret Bitcoin trust in the Seychelles
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

Curious how any human beeing could survive that. The craving to kill oneselves must be overwhelming.

[johnyj]

That's quite an interesting read, more detailed than Wired

So apparently Craig sold 1.1 million BTCs back in Sept 2011 for $100,000 and was trying to form a secret Bitcoin trust in the Seychelles
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

It seems the numbers and values of bitcoin at that time did not match: In september 2011, 1 million BTC worth more than 5 million dollar. And you really can not do a lot with 100K dollar in a trust

And by looking at such a contract you will feel sad that no matter how secure bitcoin is, you still can not trust another person without a contract and the protection of law enforcement. Maybe that's why he want to write all these into blockchain, but then the problem is who is going to enforce it without law enforcement?

[Gleb Gamow]

That's quite an interesting read, more detailed than Wired

So apparently Craig sold 1.1 million BTCs back in Sept 2011 for $100,000 and was trying to form a secret Bitcoin trust in the Seychelles
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

It seems the numbers and values of bitcoin at that time did not match: In september 2011, 1 million BTC worth more than 5 million dollar. And you really can not do a lot with 100K dollar in a trust

And by looking at such a contract you will feel sad that no matter how secure bitcoin is, you still can not trust another person without a contract and the protection of law enforcement. Maybe that's why he want to write all these in to blockchain, but then the problem is who is going to enforce it without law enforcement?

Recall, it's a Tulip Trust with $100K in bulbs, so it's when they bloom where the big bucks are made.

[Spoetnik]

There's more here: http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

That's quite an interesting read, more detailed than Wired

So apparently Craig sold 1.1 million BTCs back in Sept 2011 for $100,000 and was trying to form a secret Bitcoin trust in the Seychelles
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

Curious how any human beeing could survive that. The craving to kill oneselves must be overwhelming.

Ya no doubt that would eat me alive until death ROFL
And i read that stuff and it seems that 100k figure was far too high too (read that part of it at Gismodo)

I don't know what to think of this mess of drama..

I think Wright is an idiot and a blow hard who is in serious trouble with the tax man in AUS.

Also seems like he is indirectly making it look like Kleinman was Satoshi sort of..
Yet in that Tulip Trust doc we see Wright claiming he will send 1.1 million BTC to Kleinman.
So wright is making it look like he originally owned the alleged Satoshi fortune.

Also it worth pointing out the Tulip Doc was an unfinished Draft email leaked with strange inconsistencies etc.
I have seen no proof that it was SENT to anyone official etc. ..and acted on !

EDIT
Where is Nick Z. ?
If he was in the video with this guy saying that stuff before.. has anyone asked what he thinks of this recent news ?

Gavin ? theymos ?
What do all the older guys think ?

[eddie13]

No. Wright is impersonating Satoshi in order to get attention (very dangerous, BTW). All of the "evidence" makes far more sense in that light.

Theymos seems to think NO...

[MelMan2002]

No. Wright is impersonating Satoshi in order to get attention (very dangerous, BTW). All of the "evidence" makes far more sense in that light.

Theymos seems to think NO...

I would very much agree with that assessment - the question is why?  I mean, I guess some people just crave attention but he seems to want more than that?  Maybe he wants to claim Satoshi's Nobel prize money?

[Spoetnik]

No. Wright is impersonating Satoshi in order to get attention (very dangerous, BTW). All of the "evidence" makes far more sense in that light.

Theymos seems to think NO...

Yeah i seen that comment but was not sure it was him etc.
I did not look at that users account history just noticed it was a noob account.

Also i see a HUGE amount of topics about this here and by the titles
none of them seem to have any other info that has not been posted here already.

I want to hear from some super old Bitcoin guys who were around when this stuff launched.
G. Maxwell i guess said something.. i can't remember who that guy is though LOL

[mrdavis]

That's quite an interesting read, more detailed than Wired

So apparently Craig sold 1.1 million BTCs back in Sept 2011 for $100,000 and was trying to form a secret Bitcoin trust in the Seychelles
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

It seems the numbers and values of bitcoin at that time did not match: In september 2011, 1 million BTC worth more than 5 million dollar. And you really can not do a lot with 100K dollar in a trust

And by looking at such a contract you will feel sad that no matter how secure bitcoin is, you still can not trust another person without a contract and the protection of law enforcement. Maybe that's why he want to write all these in to blockchain, but then the problem is who is going to enforce it without law enforcement?

Recall, it's a Tulip Trust with $100K in bulbs, so it's when they bloom where the big bucks are made.

I hope there is a liquidation sale. I could use a good deal to fill in some plots around my castle.

[meono]

There's more here: http://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

That's quite an interesting read, more detailed than Wired

So apparently Craig sold 1.1 million BTCs back in Sept 2011 for $100,000 and was trying to form a secret Bitcoin trust in the Seychelles
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2644014-Tulip-Trust-Redacted.html

Curious how any human beeing could survive that. The craving to kill oneselves must be overwhelming.

Ya no doubt that would eat me alive until death ROFL
And i read that stuff and it seems that 100k figure was far too high too (read that part of it at Gismodo)

I don't know what to think of this mess of drama..

I think Wright is an idiot and a blow hard who is in serious trouble with the tax man in AUS.

Also seems like he is indirectly making it look like Kleinman was Satoshi sort of..
Yet in that Tulip Trust doc we see Wright claiming he will send 1.1 million BTC to Kleinman.
So wright is making it look like he originally owned the alleged Satoshi fortune.

Also it worth pointing out the Tulip Doc was an unfinished Draft email leaked with strange inconsistencies etc.
I have seen no proof that it was SENT to anyone official etc. ..and acted on !

EDIT
Where is Nick Z. ?
If he was in the video with this guy saying that stuff before.. has anyone asked what he thinks of this recent news ?

Gavin ? theymos ?
What do all the older guys think ?

They have more important things to do than paying attention to half ass journalism

As soon as i read the article, i knew this is a hoax. Yet idiots in this forums are making a big fuss about it.

Some idiots even believe his "credentials". Hint for you dumbass out there: If any scholar who is more interested in advanced study, they would have enrolled in some top tier school, doing real research..... Not a for profit low tier school. Notice how all his degrees are from the same shitty school?

Fact: Australia is known to sell low end educations to attract visa students from third world countries around it (China, South East Asia ...etc ) Since early 1990s there are many for profit "universities". Sadly Australia is still considered " Western " country by its neighbors.

[BitcoinBud44]

No. Wright is impersonating Satoshi in order to get attention (very dangerous, BTW). All of the "evidence" makes far more sense in that light.

Theymos seems to think NO...

I would very much agree with that assessment - the question is why?  I mean, I guess some people just crave attention but he seems to want more than that?  Maybe he wants to claim Satoshi's Nobel prize money?

If he were to claim that, he would have to provide undeniable proof.
Until that proof is presented, this is a hoax, iMO.

[somac.]

Can't say I've looked into the details enough, but, the fact that this guy has inconsistencies in his evidence, a history of poor business performance, tax issues, etc. To me he sounded like a confidence man. Then, by coincidence I saw this article today http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/opinion/sunday/born-to-be-conned.html. Everyone reading this thread should take a look. To me it describes the people on these forums that are trying to back up the claims that Wright is Satoshi.

[Searing]

Can't say I've looked into the details enough, but, the fact that this guy has inconsistencies in his evidence, a history of poor business performance, tax issues, etc. To me he sounded like a confidence man. Then, by coincidence I saw this article today http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/opinion/sunday/born-to-be-conned.html. Everyone reading this thread should take a look. To me it describes the people on these forums that are trying to back up the claims that Wright is Satoshi.

IF he is satoshi we will find out when he makes a 'deal' with the Australian Tax authorities imho ...they will not let this go ...and if anything like the USA ...we just fine and release ...he would probably need to move some coin from the satoshi account ..if like the USA they 'claimed' revenue etc on such in some manner (not sure)..but anyway if he really is satoshi that is how he will get out of this in the clear..the american way..just fine your way out of the mess with your 'hidden' stashes etc etc

IF he is satoshi and not in that much of a bind..he will still have to prove it or suffer the consequences of STILL being followed about ..likely stalked for kidnap reasons..etc ..he will need security unless he can convince majority he is NOT satoshi...but now if he is not satoshi he is soo....screwed on safety/authorities looking at him/ etc (assuming someone leaked this info simply to destroy him if so well played well played indeed)

So for his sake imho he better be Satoshi..it would still suck ..but he probably could get out of the Australian Tax Problem with a good lawyer....tax wise and a settlement..I doubt if there was a way around this the Australian Authorities beyond a fine and slap on the wrist would want to toss in Prison the inventor of bitcoin (or co-inventor) especaialy if someday ..again if he moved coin and proved he was Satoshi....the frigging Australian ..if Satoshi would probably 'someday' get the nobel prize in economics....now that such is known

Also by doing such he could 1) have some sway in BTC (not sure if this is good or bad he may be a nut but from his point of view) ..and all the 'hoopla'  of such 2) he could reassure that his hoard will be managed correctly in some 'blind trust' manner imho and thus make his hoard worth more (ie he won't dump beyond such and such per year) 3) he could get the proper advisors ..including security ...in his now complicated life

again ...IF he really is satoshi he may as well fess up and "pay it forward' as the founder of BTC because unless it is 'conclusively proved' he is NOT then folk will hound him to the ends of the Earth...Satoshi or not ..would NOT want to be this guy.....fake or not

[Gleb Gamow]

Can't say I've looked into the details enough, but, the fact that this guy has inconsistencies in his evidence, a history of poor business performance, tax issues, etc. To me he sounded like a confidence man. Then, by coincidence I saw this article today http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/opinion/sunday/born-to-be-conned.html. Everyone reading this thread should take a look. To me it describes the people on these forums that are trying to back up the claims that Wright is Satoshi.

Back in March of this year I presented a pretty definitive case that Leroy Fodor is a serial liar and that one shouldn't trust his StakeMiners Ponzi (see my sig). Since then, supposedly 180+ still joined his endeavor that by all accounts is currently uber insolvent.

[Gleb Gamow]

Can't say I've looked into the details enough, but, the fact that this guy has inconsistencies in his evidence, a history of poor business performance, tax issues, etc. To me he sounded like a confidence man. Then, by coincidence I saw this article today http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/opinion/sunday/born-to-be-conned.html. Everyone reading this thread should take a look. To me it describes the people on these forums that are trying to back up the claims that Wright is Satoshi.

IF he is satoshi we will find out when he makes a 'deal' with the Australian Tax authorities imho ...they will not let this go ...and if anything like the USA ...we just fine and release ...he would probably need to move some coin from the satoshi account ..if like the USA they 'claimed' revenue etc on such in some manner (not sure)..but anyway if he really is satoshi that is how he will get out of this in the clear..the american way..just fine your way out of the mess with your 'hidden' stashes etc etc

IF he is satoshi and not in that much of a bind..he will still have to prove it or suffer the consequences of STILL being followed about ..likely stalked for kidnap reasons..etc ..he will need security unless he can convince majority he is NOT satoshi...but now if he is not satoshi he is soo....screwed on safety/authorities looking at him/ etc (assuming someone leaked this info simply to destroy him if so well played well played indeed)

So for his sake imho he better be Satoshi..it would still suck ..but he probably could get out of the Australian Tax Problem with a good lawyer....tax wise and a settlement..I doubt if there was a way around this the Australian Authorities beyond a fine and slap on the wrist would want to toss in Prison the inventor of bitcoin (or co-inventor) especaialy if someday ..again if he moved coin and proved he was Satoshi....the frigging Australian ..if Satoshi would probably 'someday' get the nobel prize in economics....now that such is known

Also by doing such he could 1) have some sway in BTC (not sure if this is good or bad he may be a nut but from his point of view) ..and all the 'hoopla'  of such 2) he could reassure that his hoard will be managed correctly in some 'blind trust' manner imho and thus make his hoard worth more (ie he won't dump beyond such and such per year) 3) he could get the proper advisors ..including security ...in his now complicated life

again ...IF he really is satoshi he may as well fess up and "pay it forward' as the founder of BTC because unless it is 'conclusively proved' he is NOT then folk will hound him to the ends of the Earth...Satoshi or not ..would NOT want to be this guy.....fake or not

Living now in the UK perhaps as a broke bloke, he has no means to defend himself against those that may believe he's flush, coupled with having loosing all cred due to the stunt he pulled. Not even a hundred more three-letter accolades after his name is going to help him earn a respectable living. What entity wants to go on record in hiring Craig Wright?

[favdesu]

I'm still baffled how all bitcoin related media sites wrote so much bullshit about this hoax. it's beyond me

[miguelmorales85]

... but lets face it who cars who satoshi is?  ...

\\I seccond this

[vilain]

I'm still baffled how all bitcoin related media sites wrote so much bullshit about this hoax. it's beyond me

Has it been unmasked yet?

I'm a little out out of date here.

[Spoetnik]

You guys can keep cawing like crows it doesn't matter who Satoshi is crying like that Tranny way back..
"Leave Brittany Satoshi Alone !
But..
Chris is no longer gay and no longer doing porn and no longer a Tranny !
Yup.. he went back to being a straight guy (seen him doing a redemption on Tosh.0 way back)

Anyway since Bitcointalk just loves the whole tunnel vision / living in a delusional bubble routine.
Please let me take the time to let some light into your basements nerds..
Reality Check Time with Spoetnik !

- Your opinions mean squat.

The real world out there across the globe is who matters.
So when they all start going on about finding Satoshi.. they will of course look to us all for answers.
So like it or not we have to deal with this and not cry Leave Him Alone ..it don't matter.
It does matter.
To the people that matter.. average people around the globe not into Crypto nerd stuff.
If Reuters, Wired, Gizmodo etc post a story they will want to know what we think of it all.
Read the topic title..
Has Wired discovered the real Satoshi Nakamoto? (.. this time)

[chek2fire]

Wright it obvious that is simple a scammer.