The Trump Wall

[bryant.coleman]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

On one side there is the actual price to build the wall, and on the other side there is the price the American taxpayers will have pay. This is a capitalist country, right? So you can't expect the builder not to make some profit. The laughable part is that some Trump supporters are expecting Mexico to pay the bill!

In the end, the overall benefits would be many times the cost of the wall. The reduction in crime rate alone could save the American tax payers some $100 billion or more. There will be less number of rapes, murders, robberies, and other violent crime. The government would be able to save tens of billions of USD every year, in the form of reduced welfare payments.

[Wilikon]

Crossing Mexico's Other Border

Published on Mar 29, 2013

When traveling from Central America to the United States through Mexico, immigrants are forced to battle drug cartels, corrupt police officers, and human traffickers, all before they even come close to the US border.

People tend to assume that the immigrants crossing the US--Mexico border are all Mexican. The reality is that a large percentage of them come from Central America, and their journey north is grueling. To get to the US, they first have to pass through Mexico, an ordeal that often ends up being even more difficult than getting into the United States. Most migrants cross into Mexico on rafts, via the Suchiate River. After that, they need to protect themselves from corrupt Mexican police, drug cartels like the infamous Zetas, and even fellow migrants. They often travel by foot and by pubic transit, but many of them ride on top of "the Beast," the freight trains that travel from the south to the north of Mexico.

While the majority of the migrants are young men, a small percentage of them are women who endure hardships like the possibility of being raped by basically anyone they come across. Some of them are forced to stay in the border state of Chiapas and work as prostitutes because they are too weak to keep going, need to save some money to continue their journey, or, if they decide to stay , so they can travel back and forth between Mexico and their home countries to visit their kids[NJ1] .

In this episode of Fringes, we followed Yoana, a young girl from Guatemala who has been living in the small town of Huixtla, Chiapas, working as a prostitute to make money to help her two sons. We tagged along with a special unit from the state government that is in charge of protecting migrants as they travel through Chiapas. We then hopped on board the Beast with more than 400 other migrants traveling from Arriaga to Ixtepec, Oaxaca, to try to understand the hardships they go through and why they leave their homes in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzEUHF1KPY8

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From prostitution to 0bamacare...

[BADecker]

Footage released of police shooting marijuana suspects from a helicopter

She said it was reminiscent of the ongoing national discussion about domestic police using military tactics.

The incident involved a pickup truck loaded with undocumented immigrants hidden beneath a dark blanket.

The DPS crew can be heard saying, "Got a black tarp with bundles," believing the truck was smuggling bales of marijuana.

Eventually, one of the troopers opened fire disabling the tires, learning three men had been hit. Only one survived.

Up until that day, del Bosque said she was unaware the Texas Department of Public Safety helicopters were firing at vehicles during pursuits.

"I don't know why they would do that in Houston, San Antonio or Austin, but they think it's OK to do on the border region," del Bosque said.

She said following the outcry over the shooting, DPS discontinued the practice.

News organizations, including KSAT 12, have tried in vain to get copies of the video.

Tom Vinger, DPS spokesman, said in a statement, "DPS was prohibited from releasing the video because the driver of the vehicle was a juvenile. The Attorney General affirmed the confidentiality of the video in its open records ruling."

...

She said, “They couldn’t understand why a helicopter would be shooting at them for coming to look for work.”

Read more at http://wearechange.org/footage-released-police-shooting-marijuana-suspects-helicopter/.

[bryant.coleman]

^^^^ All this could be avoided, if marijuana is legalized in the United States. The ban on marijuana is only helping the big three - the Mexican drug cartels (who make money by smuggling in the weed), the banking cartel (who launders the drug money for the Mexican drug cartels) and the pharma cartel (who will lose billions of USD in revenue from painkiller sales if weed is legalized).

[Spendulus]

Footage released of police shooting marijuana suspects from a helicopter

She said it was reminiscent of the ongoing national discussion about domestic police using military tactics.

The incident involved a pickup truck loaded with undocumented immigrants hidden beneath a dark blanket.

The DPS crew can be heard saying, "Got a black tarp with bundles," believing the truck was smuggling bales of marijuana.

Eventually, one of the troopers opened fire disabling the tires, learning three men had been hit. Only one survived.

Up until that day, del Bosque said she was unaware the Texas Department of Public Safety helicopters were firing at vehicles during pursuits.

"I don't know why they would do that in Houston, San Antonio or Austin, but they think it's OK to do on the border region," del Bosque said.

She said following the outcry over the shooting, DPS discontinued the practice.

News organizations, including KSAT 12, have tried in vain to get copies of the video.

Tom Vinger, DPS spokesman, said in a statement, "DPS was prohibited from releasing the video because the driver of the vehicle was a juvenile. The Attorney General affirmed the confidentiality of the video in its open records ruling."

...

She said, “They couldn’t understand why a helicopter would be shooting at them for coming to look for work.”

Read more at http://wearechange.org/footage-released-police-shooting-marijuana-suspects-helicopter/.

There's a big difference between shooting from a Huey with a chain gun, and shooting from a small helicopter with an M16.  Your post is rather misleading.

[AiloveYouks21]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

[GreenBits]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

On one side there is the actual price to build the wall, and on the other side there is the price the American taxpayers will have pay. This is a capitalist country, right? So you can't expect the builder not to make some profit. The laughable part is that some Trump supporters are expecting Mexico to pay the bill!

In the end, the overall benefits would be many times the cost of the wall. The reduction in crime rate alone could save the American tax payers some $100 billion or more. There will be less number of rapes, murders, robberies, and other violent crime. The government would be able to save tens of billions of USD every year, in the form of reduced welfare payments.

How are illegal immigrants able to get welfare? I get that they may apply for some general benefits, like emergency subsidy, but how, without a legal,  legitimate, and unique identity, can they apply for most government benefits?

And food for thought:

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

Among people aged 18-54, 1.53 percent of natives are incarcerated, as are 0.85 percent of undocumented immigrants and 0.47 percent of documented immigrants, according to the Cato study of comparative incarceration rates.

The Cato study found that there are about 2 million U.S-born citizens, 123,000 undocumented immigrants and 64,000 documented foreign citizens in U.S. jails.

If natural-born citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as undocumented immigrants, "about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated," read the study. Similarly, if native citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as documented immigrants, 1.4 million fewer would be in prison.

Also see here:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/immigration-public-safety/

Foreign-born individuals (“first-generation immigrants”) report lower rates of criminal offending than native-born citizens and they have less contact with the criminal justice system, as measured by arrest records. Indeed, two notable studies, highlighted in a report by the American Immigration Council, find:6)
Foreign-born individuals are less likely than native-born individuals to have engaged in violent or non-violent antisocial behaviors in their lifetimes, including harassment, assault, and acquiring multiple traffic violations, “despite being more likely to have lower levels of income, less education, and reside in urban areas.”7) The study’s authors add that these findings hold for immigrants from major world regions including Africa, Asia, Europe, and Latin America. Their analysis drew on survey data from a nationally representative sample of over 40,000 U.S. residents aged 18 years and older.
Foreign-born youth enrolled in U.S. middle and high schools in the mid-1990s had among the lowest delinquency rates when compared to their peers. These researchers focused on non-violent delinquent acts such as stealing, damaging property, or selling drugs. Their study drew on repeated surveys of over 20,000 adolescents conducted between 1994 through 2002.

[Sithara007]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

Doesn't sound too ridiculous to me. The wall is expected to cost somewhere between $10 billion and $30 billion. But the benefits will be more than that in a single year. And in the long term, the wall can make a profit of trillions.

[frankbit]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

Doesn't sound too ridiculous to me. The wall is expected to cost somewhere between $10 billion and $30 billion. But the benefits will be more than that in a single year. And in the long term, the wall can make a profit of trillions.

Do you really think so? As the wall can make money? Even the great wall of China which is dismantled for Souvenirs does not make that much money. Who can stop a wall? Trump will never build a wall. If he starts building it will be a monument to his idiocy.

[Lancusters]

The construction of the wall is not an option. No wall will not stop people fleeing for a better life. It seems to me that on this money it is better to build the plant instead of the wall and let the Mexicans work there and receive a decent wage and benefit America.

[Okurkabinladin]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

Doesn't sound too ridiculous to me. The wall is expected to cost somewhere between $10 billion and $30 billion. But the benefits will be more than that in a single year. And in the long term, the wall can make a profit of trillions.

Do you really think so? As the wall can make money? Even the great wall of China which is dismantled for Souvenirs does not make that much money. Who can stop a wall? Trump will never build a wall. If he starts building it will be a monument to his idiocy.

You lack perspective with all due respect.

In the short term, massive building project like that will create and support hundreds of thousands of jobs. In the long term it will likewise regulate flow of goods, people and money over the border cutting down room for criminals and smugglers. This is precisely why generation after generation of Chinese kept building and upkeeping their wall.

Souvenirs are irrelevant in bigger picture.

[Lancusters]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

Doesn't sound too ridiculous to me. The wall is expected to cost somewhere between $10 billion and $30 billion. But the benefits will be more than that in a single year. And in the long term, the wall can make a profit of trillions.

Do you really think so? As the wall can make money? Even the great wall of China which is dismantled for Souvenirs does not make that much money. Who can stop a wall? Trump will never build a wall. If he starts building it will be a monument to his idiocy.

You lack perspective with all due respect.

In the short term, massive building project like that will create and support hundreds of thousands of jobs. In the long term it will likewise regulate flow of goods, people and money over the border cutting down room for criminals and smugglers. This is precisely why generation after generation of Chinese kept building and upkeeping their wall.

Souvenirs are irrelevant in bigger picture.

Understand that the wall will not stop neither trafficking nor migrants. Yes, its construction will create jobs, but it jobs which do not bring profit. Plant in the border or neutral territory will produce products and generate profits, and migrants will not have to live in the United States.

[Sithara007]

The construction of the wall is not an option. No wall will not stop people fleeing for a better life. It seems to me that on this money it is better to build the plant instead of the wall and let the Mexicans work there and receive a decent wage and benefit America.

If the Mexicans want to work in the United States, then they should do it in a legal way. First they should apply for a job visa, and then wait for their turn. Why don't they try immigrating to Saudi Arabia or Japan?

[Rexpax]

This is ludicrous

[Kotone]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Yes his plan is an exaggerated bullcrap at best. He plans on keeping the immigrants put but fails to account the budget the scope of his plan and most of all other methods of how immigrants really get pass american borders. They also have other ways of entries not just the wall

[kaizen96]

Pure stupidity from the beggining, only fool can believe that Mexico will pay for Trump rasistic thoughts, but that guy win elections by making whole that fame that he will make America impossible to reach for foreigners, forgeting that whole America except Indian population is foreign, not native. There will not be walls in 21st century for shure.

[Spendulus]

The construction of the wall is not an option. No wall will not stop people fleeing for a better life. It seems to me that on this money it is better to build the plant instead of the wall and let the Mexicans work there and receive a decent wage and benefit America.

If the Mexicans want to work in the United States, then they should do it in a legal way. First they should apply for a job visa, and then wait for their turn. Why don't they try immigrating to Saudi Arabia or Japan?

This is a very un-Mexican way of thinking.

[MostHigh]

If you need more then 2 seconds to decide your views on Donald Trumps wall, you are a moron.
Sorry to say it, but come on.
Watch John Oliver's last show (I think, maybe the one before that) to get a good laugh about this absurd proposal.

Thinking a physical wall will jut fight illegal migration is as absurd as untrue. The real problem is poverty. If people are financially sufficient in their homes no one will waste their time jumping through jungles and on walls to make it to America just for a few dollars a weak. If Trump wants to fight migration then in suggest he supports Mexico better their economy

[spongegar]

The wall idea in 2016 sounds too far fetched and ridiculous, the amount of work and resources to build it and then maintain would be too much to afford. It actually makes it look like a clown, I wonder if he could've kinda implement a new technology to keep the border safe, drones, night sensors, etc, even if it bullshit and never work at least the public would be interested on it.

True, no matter how tall you build a wall people find a way to get over it. Take the great wall for example. It's massive project expanding decades to finish. It works then because no one could fly over it, they don't have siege towers or machines that could decimate it then. They don't even have the firepower to actually destroy that wall but people actually found a way to get over it. Today, unless it's a sophisticated enough wall, you'll not completely eliminate the chance of people getting over that wall, at best you just lessen it.

[Sithara007]

The construction of the wall is not an option. No wall will not stop people fleeing for a better life. It seems to me that on this money it is better to build the plant instead of the wall and let the Mexicans work there and receive a decent wage and benefit America.

If the Mexicans want to work in the United States, then they should do it in a legal way. First they should apply for a job visa, and then wait for their turn. Why don't they try immigrating to Saudi Arabia or Japan?

This is a very un-Mexican way of thinking.

I know that what I said was something really un-Mexican, and I offer my apologies for that.

That said, I would compare the treatment of Mexican illegals in the United States, to the treatment of Central American illegals (especially those from poor countries such as El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua.etc) in Mexico. Obviously the Americans treat the illegals in a humane way, while the Mexicans treat them as subhuman.