The Trump Wall

[Spendulus]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Current RESEARCH?

this is a construction project and it's not that complicated.

Seven hundred miles, assuming 15B is $3750 PER FOOT....

Who counts with foot? Don't even know how much it does... Please start evolving to modern science...

So after research it makes 10 000$ per meter. Doesn't seem incredible to me. Especially considering the price of defending the wall :/

All construction in the USA is done with the English system, not metric.

The reason it's important to look at it in terms of costs per foot is because we can then go and look at what it costs very easily.

Ten feet into the ground, thirty feet up....pyramidal cross section....

I get about $500-1000 per running foot.

Width of the wall? built in brick or concrete shuttering moulds..
Built in brick cost a lot more money plus labour..
Concrete cheap as chips but looks are not to good but will do the same job..

1 ft long 40 ft high 1 skin will cost more than 1k dollars

cost of digging the footings the labour the materials it will cost more than 500 to 1000 dollars a foot
plus how thick will the wall be as thick as my brain.

I'm figuring 10 ft deep 20 wide 30 high and triangular, concrete 6" skin filled with rubble from the trenching

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[Zeke2345]

Would think a wall would be expensive, but as a construction guy, would love to see this happen.
We have quite a few Americans working on some of our bigger projects, so it would create work here in Canada as well. Us Canadians could use a wall too, would love work like this for a decade plus. Drooling thinking about the overtime.
Build it and they will come!

[Zeke2345]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Current RESEARCH?

this is a construction project and it's not that complicated.

Seven hundred miles, assuming 15B is $3750 PER FOOT....

Who counts with foot? Don't even know how much it does... Please start evolving to modern science...

So after research it makes 10 000$ per meter. Doesn't seem incredible to me. Especially considering the price of defending the wall :/

All construction in the USA is done with the English system, not metric.

The reason it's important to look at it in terms of costs per foot is because we can then go and look at what it costs very easily.

Ten feet into the ground, thirty feet up....pyramidal cross section....

I get about $500-1000 per running foot.

Width of the wall? built in brick or concrete shuttering moulds..
Built in brick cost a lot more money plus labour..
Concrete cheap as chips but looks are not to good but will do the same job..

1 ft long 40 ft high 1 skin will cost more than 1k dollars

cost of digging the footings the labour the materials it will cost more than 500 to 1000 dollars a foot
plus how thick will the wall be as thick as my brain.

I'm figuring 10 ft deep 20 wide 30 high and triangular, concrete 6" skin filled with rubble from the trenching

Wall would need to go down deeper due to tunnel issues and width would have to be closer to 2 feet to prevent drilling. Wonder if they would want to plant sensors the whole way as well.

[Moloch]

I think it's silly to blame America's problems on illegal immigration... smells like a red-herring

Who cares if someone hires a Mexican to mow their lawn?

If businesses are hiring illegals by the score, then fine the shit outta the businesses and they will all stop hiring illegals... problem solved

[coinzat]

Trump is not going to build any wall if he becomes the president because it is so hard to be done and it will not prevent any migrants as they can dig tunnels or jump over the wall with ladders
 check this video for John Oliver about that wall
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

[BADecker]

Trumpy Drumpfy sat on a wall.
Trumpy Drumpfy had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men,
Couldn't put Trumpy back together again.

Why not? Because the people don't have or need a king. Especially not Trumpy.

Google Drumpfy.

[Spendulus]

Trump is not going to build any wall if he becomes the president because it is so hard to be done and it will not prevent any migrants as they can dig tunnels or jump over the wall with ladders
 check this video for John Oliver about that wall
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

That's ridiculous.

Talk to the Chinese about great walls, dude.

[Mushroomized]

I love how everyone gets all fired up over the idea of a wall. It's just pure symbolism and people love it. If trump gets elected I have no idea how he could convince mexico to PAY for the wall. The whole thing is nuts to me. I am interested though if a physical wall would be more cost effective than just more patrolling. But, a wall is more of symbolic thing than anything

[Spendulus]

I love how everyone gets all fired up over the idea of a wall. It's just pure symbolism and people love it. If trump gets elected I have no idea how he could convince mexico to PAY for the wall. The whole thing is nuts to me. I am interested though if a physical wall would be more cost effective than just more patrolling. But, a wall is more of symbolic thing than anything

That's actually crazy.  Walls have specific purposes, that is why they exist.

If you'd looked into it just a tiny bit you'd know that his scheme is to put a surcharge on money transfers from all the illegals in the US into Mexico, and that will easily pay for the wall.

What people are getting fired up about is someone actually solving this problem instead of more and more of the lying.

[Mushroomized]

I love how everyone gets all fired up over the idea of a wall. It's just pure symbolism and people love it. If trump gets elected I have no idea how he could convince mexico to PAY for the wall. The whole thing is nuts to me. I am interested though if a physical wall would be more cost effective than just more patrolling. But, a wall is more of symbolic thing than anything

That's actually crazy.  Walls have specific purposes, that is why they exist.

If you'd looked into it just a tiny bit you'd know that his scheme is to put a surcharge on money transfers from all the illegals in the US into Mexico, and that will easily pay for the wall.

What people are getting fired up about is someone actually solving this problem instead of more and more of the lying.

I didn't know about the surcharge thing. But still wouldn't you agree that the wall is a really symbolic thing? Thats part of why it's so popular right?

[Spendulus]

I love how everyone gets all fired up over the idea of a wall. It's just pure symbolism and people love it. If trump gets elected I have no idea how he could convince mexico to PAY for the wall. The whole thing is nuts to me. I am interested though if a physical wall would be more cost effective than just more patrolling. But, a wall is more of symbolic thing than anything

That's actually crazy.  Walls have specific purposes, that is why they exist.

If you'd looked into it just a tiny bit you'd know that his scheme is to put a surcharge on money transfers from all the illegals in the US into Mexico, and that will easily pay for the wall.

What people are getting fired up about is someone actually solving this problem instead of more and more of the lying.

I didn't know about the surcharge thing. But still wouldn't you agree that the wall is a really symbolic thing? Thats part of why it's so popular right?

In a sense I have to agree with you and here is how.  Soldiers/Cops etc carry guns routinely, and well all HOPE the effect is largely symbolic.  Someone sees gun on cop, decides not to do bad thing.

Similarly, the effect of a wall would deter attempts to cross the border illegally.  By the way, I am for a number of immigrant work programs with permits, the idea that a wall would prevent traffic is a misunderstanding. 

Right now someone could easily write an entire book about the traffic and issues on the US border, there are that many details to it.  For example not uncommonly it takes 3 hours to cross into the US from Mexico.  That needs to be improved to say 15-30 minutes.  There are lots of deaths from illegal Mexico to US crossings in the desert areas.  These are harsh areas.  They will kill you.

Lots of issues, but the basic idea of building a serious wall is a good idea.

[mikehersh2]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Current RESEARCH?

this is a construction project and it's not that complicated.

Seven hundred miles, assuming 15B is $3750 PER FOOT....

You have to consider the cost of labor, and the fact that you will need to pay for the transport of heavy material into areas that are not easy to access. John Oliver makes a great point in his last show. If you look it up on youtube, it is there. MY apologies, not current RESEARCH, but just what I have seen.

[Spendulus]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Current RESEARCH?

this is a construction project and it's not that complicated.

Seven hundred miles, assuming 15B is $3750 PER FOOT....

You have to consider the cost of labor, and the fact that you will need to pay for the transport of heavy material into areas that are not easy to access. John Oliver makes a great point in his last show. If you look it up on youtube, it is there. MY apologies, not current RESEARCH, but just what I have seen.

Actually I did include labor, and "heavy material" is really not a problem.  Concrete batch plants are relatively easy to set up and operate.  Any company that did concrete slabs, runways, etc could easily a stretch of this job.

The major problem is people criticizing this problem who have defeatist or ignorant attitude and think they can converse intelligently on the subject.

I mean, think about it.

"You can't build a wall!"

Well, that's a ridiculous thing to say.  Of course we can.

"A wall can't keep them Out!!"

That's even more ridiculous.  Can you keep deer and hogs out of a garden?  that's what walls DO.

Frankly the only difficult areas will be those basically possessed and patrolled by Mexican cartels (yes I am referring to on the US side) which is the result of neglect and don't care by the Obama administration and which is a total disgrace.  A bit of the military would be needed to help there, until the wall was completed.  I'd probably start in those sections, come to think about it.

[Moloch]

Today I say...
As long as this gate is closed...
As long as this scar of a wall is permitted to stand...
It is not the American question alone which remains open...
But the question of freedom for all mankind...

...Mr. Trump, Tear down this wall!

-Ronald Reagan 1987 (mostly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A

Real men don't build walls, they tear walls down

[Wilikon]

Today I say...
As long as this gate is closed...
As long as this scar of a wall is permitted to stand...
It is not the American question alone which remains open...
But the question of freedom for all mankind...

...Mr. Trump, Tear down this wall!

-Ronald Reagan 1987 (mostly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A

Real men don't build walls, they tear walls down

That's not true. Real Capitalist Loving American men and women can do both, depending on the job in hand.

 

[Jordan23]

As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

Current RESEARCH?

this is a construction project and it's not that complicated.

Seven hundred miles, assuming 15B is $3750 PER FOOT....

Who counts with foot? Don't even know how much it does... Please start evolving to modern science...

So after research it makes 10 000$ per meter. Doesn't seem incredible to me. Especially considering the price of defending the wall :/

Americans "counts with foot". Obviously you are not American. Please evolve to proper English.

[criptix]

I think the chinese build something like that 1000 years ago or so.
If you believe the rumours you can even see it from outer space.

History says they didnt accomplish their goal of defending against the huns.


Even if it wont keep mexicans away nasa can make nice advertisement pictures of american engineering from outer space

[Moloch]

[Jstalk]

A wall can`t stop immigrants.
It`s just a waste of money and resources.

[For_real_for]

If you need more then 2 seconds to decide your views on Donald Trumps wall, you are a moron.
Sorry to say it, but come on.
Watch John Oliver's last show (I think, maybe the one before that) to get a good laugh about this absurd proposal.