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Title: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: prettybuds on May 22, 2016, 07:04:02 PM I think now that Monero has flopped they could consider relaunching the network with an ICO I mean like LISK and etc is doing, just use an existing project (in Monero's case Monero, in Lisk's case Crypti), and relaunch it with an ICO to work on the unfinished product. That means Monero devs can attract a lot of funds and then finally finish the GUI etc what say you, folks? It should be voted by stakes holders so they can make the ICO a successful one,people are quick to think that the dev just want more money from the community so they need to set up a poll to see if the community will agree on this one.. They don't need an ICO, perhaps they just need one or two capable developers. With an ICO they can get not only two but four or five developer and a very active gui and more funds for marketing this coin so it's best in my opinion to proceed with the ICO but with community voting.. TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: somacoin on May 22, 2016, 07:14:48 PM I voted "I don't care".
If that should ever happen though, I might invest. ;D Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bathrobehero on May 22, 2016, 07:22:09 PM Why should anyone invest in a late ICO for a botnetcoin with a bunch of holders?
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: cryptodromeda on May 22, 2016, 07:22:59 PM Can you guys stop trolling Monero?
At some point I'm looking to buy back lower but you keep pushing the price up. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: prettybuds on May 22, 2016, 07:24:52 PM Can you guys stop trolling Monero? At some point I'm looking to buy back lower but you keep pushing the price up. hi cryptodromeda! what do you mean? botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bathrobehero on May 22, 2016, 07:51:04 PM botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: jwinterm on May 22, 2016, 07:53:57 PM botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: obit33 on May 22, 2016, 07:56:37 PM Can you guys stop trolling Monero? At some point I'm looking to buy back lower but you keep pushing the price up. ^this indeed... stop giving monero a trollboner please! Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bathrobehero on May 22, 2016, 07:58:08 PM botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Simple, take a look at what's profitable with GPUs and what's profitable on CPUs (for which you don't even have to pay any electricity!). GPU miners mining Monero are either just way too dedicated and/or dumb because they could mine pretty much anything else, sell that, buy more Monero and end up with way more Monero or people with some highly optimized super efficient miners which is possible but unlikely. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 22, 2016, 08:08:08 PM botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Simple, take a look at what's profitable with GPUs and what's profitable on CPUs (for which you don't even have to pay any electricity!). GPU miners mining Monero are either just way too dedicated and/or dumb because they could mine pretty much anything else, sell that, buy more Monero and end up with way more Monero or people with some highly optimized super efficient miners which is possible but unlikely. Why do I get the feeling smooth has corrected you on this and you forgot? ::) What I don't get is how you expect an asic resistant cc (which wants to remain POW and decentralized) to stop this--care to elaborate? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bathrobehero on May 22, 2016, 08:21:27 PM botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Simple, take a look at what's profitable with GPUs and what's profitable on CPUs (for which you don't even have to pay any electricity!). GPU miners mining Monero are either just way too dedicated and/or dumb because they could mine pretty much anything else, sell that, buy more Monero and end up with way more Monero or people with some highly optimized super efficient miners which is possible but unlikely. Why do I get the feeling smooth has corrected you on this and you forgot? ::) What I don't get is how you expect an asic resistant cc (which wants to remain POW and decentralized) to stop this--care to elaborate? Quote that if you like but I don't remember it. Anyway, you act like ASIC friendly algos are worse than a handful of individuals who happen to have infected hundreds or even thousands of random PCs and taking profits while having zero cost themselves. I get that it actually helps securing the network more than anything but ASICs at least are legal and harmless. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 22, 2016, 08:30:45 PM botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Simple, take a look at what's profitable with GPUs and what's profitable on CPUs (for which you don't even have to pay any electricity!). GPU miners mining Monero are either just way too dedicated and/or dumb because they could mine pretty much anything else, sell that, buy more Monero and end up with way more Monero or people with some highly optimized super efficient miners which is possible but unlikely. Why do I get the feeling smooth has corrected you on this and you forgot? ::) What I don't get is how you expect an asic resistant cc (which wants to remain POW and decentralized) to stop this--care to elaborate? Quote that if you like but I don't remember it. Anyway, you act like ASIC friendly algos are worse than a handful of individuals who happen to have infected hundreds or even thousands of random PCs and taking profits while having zero cost themselves. I get that it actually helps securing the network more than anything but ASICs at least are legal and harmless. Legal, yes. Harmless, no. We can agree to disagree here, but I'll take the security of the network over the misuse of botnet miners any day. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: jwinterm on May 22, 2016, 08:31:27 PM botnetcoin hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Simple, take a look at what's profitable with GPUs and what's profitable on CPUs (for which you don't even have to pay any electricity!). GPU miners mining Monero are either just way too dedicated and/or dumb because they could mine pretty much anything else, sell that, buy more Monero and end up with way more Monero or people with some highly optimized super efficient miners which is possible but unlikely. Why do I get the feeling smooth has corrected you on this and you forgot? ::) What I don't get is how you expect an asic resistant cc (which wants to remain POW and decentralized) to stop this--care to elaborate? Quote that if you like but I don't remember it. Anyway, you act like ASIC friendly algos are worse than a handful of individuals who happen to have infected hundreds or even thousands of random PCs and taking profits while having zero cost themselves. I get that it actually helps securing the network more than anything but ASICs at least are legal and harmless. I get that it's near the bottom of the list on whattomine, but that doesn't necessarily imply that it is dominated by botnets. It could be enthusiasts (dedicated/dumb people), it could be many people mining with their laptops because they don't care about the couple dollars in power costs that will accrue over a month, it could be people with access to corporate/university clusters that they mine with while idle (while similar to a botnet, I wouldn't consider it the same). It could be a lot of things, but you insist that it is a botnet dominated coin without offering anything except for the profitability relative to other coins. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bathrobehero on May 22, 2016, 09:18:36 PM Legal, yes. Harmless, no. We can agree to disagree here, but I'll take the security of the network over the misuse of botnet miners any day. I don't share your opinion so yeah, we should certainly agree to disagree. I get that it's near the bottom of the list on whattomine, but that doesn't necessarily imply that it is dominated by botnets. It could be enthusiasts (dedicated/dumb people), it could be many people mining with their laptops because they don't care about the couple dollars in power costs that will accrue over a month, it could be people with access to corporate/university clusters that they mine with while idle (while similar to a botnet, I wouldn't consider it the same). It could be a lot of things, but you insist that it is a botnet dominated coin without offering anything except for the profitability relative to other coins. There are some of each kind of miners just as I said but almost 20 BTC worth of Monero is being mined every single day and GPUs are not that much profitable than CPUs and we know huge botnets exists (there were several clear proofs of that in the past) and what else botnets would mine then? Certainly not magi or whatever low-volume high n-factor scrypt-jane coins or whatever fringe CPU-friendly coins are out there especially after some crpytos like VTC changed their algo just to avoid botnets. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 22, 2016, 09:28:21 PM I definitely will not participate in ICO, if they run it . Not the way they have chosen. There is far more effective methods , such as a direct reward developers. Almost no one in the community would accept an ICO either, and certainly not the developers, so it's a pointless exercise. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: smooth on May 23, 2016, 03:02:53 AM TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Seriously dude, WTF is wrong with you? Development has not halted, there is development like every day, a significant new update with massive performance increases is imminent. It attracts not only capable (many) but also top tier developers like hyc and the unfortunately now-deceased warptangent, and even idiots like me who help (if you could call it that) with debugging occasionally. There is no reason to insult the excellent developers who have worked hard on the project for little money or as volunteers and done great work. If you want to insult me, go for it. Don't insult them with your retarded trolling. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 23, 2016, 10:01:05 AM I think now that Monero has flopped they could consider relaunching the network with an ICO I mean like LISK and etc is doing, just use an existing project (in Monero's case Monero, in Lisk's case Crypti), and relaunch it with an ICO to work on the unfinished product. That means Monero devs can attract a lot of funds and then finally finish the GUI etc what say you, folks? It should be voted by stakes holders so they can make the ICO a successful one,people are quick to think that the dev just want more money from the community so they need to set up a poll to see if the community will agree on this one.. They don't need an ICO, perhaps they just need one or two capable developers. With an ICO they can get not only two but four or five developer and a very active gui and more funds for marketing this coin so it's best in my opinion to proceed with the ICO but with community voting.. TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? If a failed coin is desperate enough to run an ICO as a last throw the dice to stay relevant then i guess all the power to them. An ICO might even raise enough funding to attract capable and experienced developers to deliver innovation and get out of just bug fixing and rewording code comments. Complexity is the enemy of security and it almost always comes in the guise of features or innovations. At the end of the day, fixing bugs and testing threat models isn't sexy or glamorous, and it surely won't fool some noobs into thinking you've found the cure for cancer, but it's the only way to create a cryptographic system that performs as advertised--and does so long into the future. Dash won the BS war, ceti, enjoy and savor it--but know, when it becomes a software war, all those complex features you built, at the cost of simplicity, are going to break down mid-combat and send your troops scurrying for cover. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Shrikez on May 23, 2016, 11:34:44 AM TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Let's just make shit up and hope it sticks. Trolling 101, first page, first chapter, first sentence. You folks just can't stomach the relative success of this niche crypto...and all that without endless threads stacked with fancy marketing pic full quotes, announcements of possible announcements of announcements of possible future features, #hashtag SEO orgies etc etc. Your lack of character is disgusting. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: prettybuds on May 23, 2016, 12:41:00 PM Your lack of character is disgusting. Let me reply to this wonderful comment of yours with your signature: Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Seriously dude, WTF is wrong with you? Development has not halted, there is development like every day, a significant new update with massive performance increases is imminent. It attracts not only capable (many) but also top tier developers like hyc and the unfortunately now-deceased warptangent, and even idiots like me who help (if you could call it that) with debugging occasionally. There is no reason to insult the excellent developers who have worked hard on the project for little money or as volunteers and done great work. If you want to insult me, go for it. Don't insult them with your retarded trolling. Good day smooth, I never intended to insult you or the other developers! This is just my personal opinion that is shared by a number of people. You can, of course, prove me wrong. I might be wrong. No offense! I am not trolling here! Please excuse me if it seems that way. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Dassi on May 23, 2016, 01:29:34 PM Trading monero is very risky indeed.
If the project failed once, what's the assurance that it will not fail again? It's safe not to invest but watch for a while, at least. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Shrikez on May 23, 2016, 01:32:33 PM Your lack of character is disgusting. Let me reply to this wonderful comment of yours with your signature: Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar no comment... TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Seriously dude, WTF is wrong with you? Development has not halted, there is development like every day, a significant new update with massive performance increases is imminent. It attracts not only capable (many) but also top tier developers like hyc and the unfortunately now-deceased warptangent, and even idiots like me who help (if you could call it that) with debugging occasionally. There is no reason to insult the excellent developers who have worked hard on the project for little money or as volunteers and done great work. If you want to insult me, go for it. Don't insult them with your retarded trolling. Good day smooth, I never intended to insult you or the other developers! This is just my personal opinion that is shared by a number of people. You can, of course, prove me wrong. I might be wrong. No offense! I am not trolling here! Please excuse me if it seems that way. You can eat chalk all you want, your wolf tail shows. Please enlighten the rest of the readers why you think your thread premise is applicable. You must have at least some (objective) reason for your statement as neither Github activity nor trading volume nor market cap nor general community activity etcpp. support your statement of Monero being a "failed project" The stage is all yours. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: prettybuds on May 23, 2016, 01:46:39 PM You must have at least some (objective) reason for your statement as neither Github activity nor trading volume nor market cap nor general community activity etcpp. support your statement of Monero being a "failed project" I tend to disagree. There might be Github activity but there's nothing worthwhile to be found at this point. Please point me to one commit that exhibits actual competence. My reason is that I strongly feel the project has failed and it seems to be an opinion that I'm not alone with. Monero, from my point of view, has not delivered on its promises. Monero is hardly as earth-shattering as some of its arrogant hardcore supporters claim. I figured perhaps an ICO could fix this by attracting some serious development. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Febo on May 23, 2016, 02:06:47 PM You must have at least some (objective) reason for your statement as neither Github activity nor trading volume nor market cap nor general community activity etcpp. support your statement of Monero being a "failed project" I tend to disagree. There might be Github activity but there's nothing worthwhile to be found at this point. Please point me to one commit that exhibits actual competence. My reason is that I strongly feel the project has failed and it seems to be the community consensus as well. Monero has not delivered on its promises. Monero is hardly as earth-shattering as its arrogant supporters claim. I figured perhaps an ICO could fix this by attracting some serious development. So there is huge Github activity in last 2 years, but you find all of it useless? There is strong community consensus that Monero is one of best managed and developed Crypto coins. Monero delivered on its promises. It never promised any earth shattering. It only promised most anon coin there is. If you have fixes, you can add them in Gethub commits. Since you think there is nothing useful there, I am sure you can add a lot. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: prettybuds on May 23, 2016, 02:08:21 PM So there is huge Github activity in last 2 years, but you find all of it useless? Not useless, but nothing special.There is strong community consensus that Monero is one of best managed and developed Crypto coins. Monero delivered on its promises. It never promised any earth shattering. It only promised most anon coin there is. I disagree, it's one of the most hated cryptocurrencies for a reason: bad management. Arrogance is not a particularly good management tactic.If you have fixes, you can add them in Gethub commits. Since you think there is nothing useful there, I am sure you can add a lot. I'm not a skilled developer. I also wouldn't claim that I'm a competent developer if I'm not.Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: GingerAle on May 23, 2016, 02:15:44 PM So there is huge Github activity in last 2 years, but you find all of it useless? Not useless, but nothing special.Do you run bitcoind? I'm just curious. There is strong community consensus that Monero is one of best managed and developed Crypto coins. Monero delivered on its promises. It never promised any earth shattering. It only promised most anon coin there is. I disagree, it's one of the most hated cryptocurrencies for a reason: bad management. Arrogance is not a particularly good management tactic.[/quote] Who's managing what? Core team manages core development. Thats all that matters. If you have fixes, you can add them in Gethub commits. Since you think there is nothing useful there, I am sure you can add a lot. I'm not a skilled developer. I also wouldn't claim that I'm a competent developer if I'm not.[/quote] regardless, i am happy to announce - THE MONERO ICO IS ON!!! How to participate in the ICO 1. Buy bitcoin 2. Goto poloniex, buy monero 3. give half of the monero you just bought to core team to fund development If you don't understand why this is no different than an ICO then you should just stop. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Febo on May 23, 2016, 02:16:35 PM So there is huge Github activity in last 2 years, but you find all of it useless? Not useless, but nothing special.Monero is an anon coin. It will not solve hunger if that is what you expect. There is strong community consensus that Monero is one of best managed and developed Crypto coins. Monero delivered on its promises. It never promised any earth shattering. It only promised most anon coin there is. I disagree, it's one of the most hated cryptocurrencies for a reason: bad management. Arrogance is not a particularly good management tactic.Reason why you fell that way, but in reality only few hate it is because they are invested in other coins and try to FUD competition. But that are only few, but are quite loud. If you have fixes, you can add them in Gethub commits. Since you think there is nothing useful there, I am sure you can add a lot. I'm not a skilled developer. I also wouldn't claim that I'm a competent developer if I'm not.Yes exactly, so i dont think you are skilled to help Monero at all. So such threads you post several are a bit waste of your and other peoples time. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: mv__ on May 23, 2016, 02:17:49 PM Monero blockchain should be shut down so that monero religion believers would have their mind free and come back to the real world.
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on May 23, 2016, 02:19:34 PM Can you guys stop trolling Monero? At some point I'm looking to buy back lower but you keep pushing the price up. Sorry about that i hate to ruin your ponzi scheme "profits" after all isn't that what all this is about anyway ? And OP you are clearly clueless beyond comprehension (and the rest of you) So hmmm let's recap a bit shall we Monero Investards.. First off let's point out how they already collected money from users for coding / adoption etc. then when the guy holding the coins and the guy spending them ran into some drama they decided to have a little fake vote to give back donated funds.. because they fucked up ! What did they fuck up ? Well for one thing we have Risto / reptiela the millionaire who has a Bentley & lives in a castle having free will to spend the donated funds on what he feels like.. With no permission or oversight from ANYONE and who was "holding" the donated funds ? Why David Latapie of course the "MEW Treasurer" Both of whom have been said to NOT be a part of the "Monero Team" So lesson time Kidiots.. what does that tell you ? Any wild guesses ? Do i have to spell it out to you all real slowly ..again ::) Or.. cry FUD collect more donations and spend the money on Bitcointalk Forum games (for adoption) In what twisted fucked up universe is this bullshit acceptable ? Take a failed irritating fucking gimmicky shit coin that was already a "community take over" from day one then discuss about re-launching it with an even more scammy distribution model ? Are you tards high or what ? Or just frothing at the mouth with greed ? Ya.. re-launch Monero as an IPO / ICO i fucking dare you ROFL You all think i bitch about them lots as it is ? hahahhaa Monero = Idiotic gimmick scam coin backed by greedy morons looking to augment their ponzi-token ..to increase their profits. Hey brainiacs get it yet ? Donated funds was not the problem.. The problem was finding respectable dev's who wanted to work on the shit coin ! They have had no problem coming up with donated funds just no one willing to get involved with the French crew and their millionaire and irritating "Marketing team" Want to put lipstick on a pig ? Fine. But making an IPO relaunch would be like smacking it in the face with a shovel. Monero.. the Mensa genius coin for Pyramid scheme bag holder aficionado's. I aemz to havingk me profitz !!!111 HODL FOeva!!!! amez haz richz lamboz !!!! Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on May 23, 2016, 02:26:56 PM So there is huge Github activity in last 2 years, but you find all of it useless? Not useless, but nothing special.Monero is an anon coin. It will not solve hunger if that is what you expect. There is strong community consensus that Monero is one of best managed and developed Crypto coins. Monero delivered on its promises. It never promised any earth shattering. It only promised most anon coin there is. I disagree, it's one of the most hated cryptocurrencies for a reason: bad management. Arrogance is not a particularly good management tactic.Reason why you fell that way, but in reality only few hate it is because they are invested in other coins and try to FUD competition. But that are only few, but are quite loud. If you have fixes, you can add them in Gethub commits. Since you think there is nothing useful there, I am sure you can add a lot. I'm not a skilled developer. I also wouldn't claim that I'm a competent developer if I'm not.Yes exactly, so i dont think you are skilled to help Monero at all. So such threads you post several are a bit waste of your and other peoples time. Your a blind & delusional BAG HOLDER yourself ! You are lying full of shit. When a crew of guys make endless mistakes and then accomplish pretty much nothing in 2 years then yes it can safely be considered a failure. Mr French Dev how is your french buddy Latapie ? And how is his buddy's doing who were arrested for Fraud in France ? And why did Latapie the MEW treasurer who held donated funds vanish *again* ? And what did Latapie tell the French Police ? And what did he tell them about his "Monero Marketing Company" ? The level of fucking denial with you and other Monero idiots blows me the fuck away. You all act like idiots then play dumb deny it all 100% then go right back to crying Troll / FUD. ..again ..for years Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: cryptodromeda on May 23, 2016, 02:53:10 PM Can you guys stop trolling Monero? At some point I'm looking to buy back lower but you keep pushing the price up. Sorry about that i hate to ruin your ponzi scheme "profits" after all isn't that what all this is about anyway ? I wasn't talking to you. As far as I know you've never been able to move markets in any direction. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: robelneo on May 23, 2016, 04:12:28 PM I am surprised on the poll I don't have monero but seeing that holders that this coin is dead made me think that if they will ever implement an ICO there's going to be a strong resistance from holders and followers and of course haters..
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Febo on May 23, 2016, 04:31:22 PM lol Spoetnik
I am not French i am not a developer and i wish i would be a Monero bag holder. On my humble opinion you dont fall into this group "invested in other coins and try to FUD competition." , but i could be wrong. Your every monero post includes Risto and lately also David. So i guess your problem is mainly with them and you dislike all they do. Let me open your eyes. They also breath air. Will you stop breathing now? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: somacoin on May 23, 2016, 08:23:32 PM Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: smooth on May 23, 2016, 09:09:54 PM I'm not a skilled developer. I also wouldn't claim that I'm a competent developer if I'm not. Then how can you possibly judge competence? You say, "Please point me to one commit that exhibits actual competence" but how is that even possible if you aren't qualified to assess competence when it is right in front of your eyes? Most of the commits (virtually all in fact) are quite competent. There are a few errors here and there, of course, but that's normal for software development. One could say the same thing for the other metrics that were pointed out. Market cap, trading volume, market cap ranking, coingecko ranking, etc. None of these point to a failed project. It is blatantly obvious as demonstrated by verifiable ongoing work that your claim that "development has halted" is nonsense or a deliberate lie. You're just 100% full of shit and it is obvious. Maybe you really aren't trolling, I can't say. But if not then incredibly stupid. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on May 23, 2016, 11:54:38 PM Development can mean different things to different people..
The point people take away from it all over all is.. what MAJOR accomplishments have happened ? Puttering around with the code for years on end doing minor changes does NOT constitute development in my books.. and i would know i am a coder for a couple decades before Monero existed. But hey let's play dumb about that OBVIOUS point i made that SHOULD "go with out saying". And then let's cry Troll + FUD some more ::) @Febo You are aware i have checked out your post history before right ? You are not French yet what languages have you posted here with ? Care to explain ? I can also cite how you have obviously weird English that is from someone with it as a 2nd language. I doubt you "get" many English idioms etc. But.. play dumb some more ..it's the Monero way LOL PS: I still think the name is retarded. And i also still think the concept of an anon coin is a retarded idea.. doomed to failure. One problem is it will attract hoards of criminals and then the cops etc. Don't matter if it is an "option" either because if it *can* be used by Terrorists & crack dealers on SilkRoad etc Then it will be ! And then THAT will be what the coin is KNOWN for and there for shoot yourself in the foot with global adoption. Then what do you do security wise when the wold govts employ endless resources to hire hackers to rape the coin ? Who wants to place bets on who will be the winner ? Russian, American or Chinese Govt vs. smooth & Febo :D You shillero's did not think it through too well you just wanted a "me too" coin asap.. And you thought your ANON gimmick was a good angle to push for you clone fork mod cryptonote take over coin etc If you think Monero is going to EVER accomplish anything i think your brain damaged guys. ..accomplish anything MAJOR ;) Sorry minor code edits amount to squat. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Febo on May 24, 2016, 01:13:17 PM @Spoetnik
is actually totally irrelevant, but yes checking my posts history can lead you to my nationality. I mention this irrelevant thing only because , as usually 80% of your posts and not correct. Talking about irrelevant things is what you are good at in last few years here. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: J1mb0 on May 24, 2016, 02:25:19 PM And i also still think the concept of an anon coin is a retarded idea.. doomed to failure. One problem is it will attract hoards of criminals and then the cops etc. Don't matter if it is an "option" either because if it *can* be used by Terrorists & crack dealers on SilkRoad etc Then it will be ! And then THAT will be what the coin is KNOWN for and there for shoot yourself in the foot with global adoption. Then what do you do security wise when the wold govts employ endless resources to hire hackers to rape the coin ? LOL. Very droll and enjoyable posts. However, I don't agree with your views on anonymity. Bitcoin has a public ledger, and was used for all the above, and has almost certainly been targetted by the The Powers That Be. Who knows, maybe the TPTB own or control 50% of big mining operations so they can pull the plug when they see fit. Anonymity, however, makes cryptocoins no different to cash or gold. The cat is out the bag and as long as there are cryptocurrencies there will be at least one widely used anonymous one - probably a cryptonote due to resistance from mining monopolies and it's distributed model for anonymity. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on May 24, 2016, 02:49:59 PM @Spoetnik is actually totally irrelevant, but yes checking my posts history can lead you to my nationality. I mention this irrelevant thing only because , as usually 80% of your posts and not correct. Talking about irrelevant things is what you are good at in last few years here. See ? You don't know what "relevent" means. Have you posted comments here in French ? 80% ? irrelevant ? I would say i have very much posted relevant info for a specific reason you choose to play dumb about. Now we can discuss that one point.. the "French Connection" Which may or may not be relevant but the rest of what i said sure as fucking hell is. So how does that constitute 80% ? Your spewing pure raw bullshit in an clear attempt to create a diversion & discredit me. You dropped denying the French part and said it's "irrelevant" Then fired off a stat that is clearly retarded bullshit. If 80% of what i say is "irrelevant" then it should be easy for you to prove it.. go for it ..be my guest ! And fuck your back peddling conspiracy shit guys. If one coin does more to provide anon features then another then yes it may be used by criminals. If it then gets used by criminals it will then get known for that like Bitcoin was known for it early on. I have met strangers on the street who told me this word for word when discussing BTC. So i don't give two shits about theory rabble here.. i already have my answers because i got off my ass and went outside and got them first hand from the public face to face. They unanimously say "Bitcoin.. ohh that drugs & guns internet currency thing" Account hop.. play dumb.. cause diversions.. cry Troll.. cry FUD ..back peddle. make up lies and Bullshit stats How is this working out for ya Monero shills ? Are people falling for it ? I would say NO ..it has accomplished you NOTHING in 2 years and the coin is effectively as dead as it can get. Let me provide an example to illustrate my very relevant point. Jackpotcoin was working perfectly fine when it was delisted from Bittrex etc. Problem was.. a lack of interest for the WORKING coin, so they pulled it. Did puttering around with the code endlessly mean it was not dead ? And it technically is still NOT "Dead" because if you wanted to you could go and get it running. It's simply delisted all over and suffers from a lack of interest. So head fake & bob & weave all you want but i have blown all your Monero shill points out of the water ! I have taken each one of your little shit coin retorts and destroyed them. Seems mighty fucking relevant to me ;) PS: "Drole" this whiny fucking bitches ;D 8) https://i.imgflip.com/cu3if.jpg Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Febo on May 24, 2016, 02:58:50 PM No
I said that my nationality is not important to discussion here. But you did mention it and you selected wrong one. That is all. If you want to discuss nationalities and languages of Forum members i suggest you to open thread in Offtopic and do it and not spam threads here with it. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Febo on May 24, 2016, 03:22:06 PM Monero blockchain should be shut down so that monero religion believers would have their mind free and come back to the real world. in real crypto everything is possible as long you get consensus to do it. That is a the beauty of it. If developers, miners, exchanges and merchants will want to do that they will do it. For all the rest this is not something to worry about. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Laniakea on May 24, 2016, 05:00:30 PM I voted Monero is dead and wasn't surprised to see that the majority actually voted this too
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: GingerAle on May 24, 2016, 07:07:25 PM I voted Monero is dead and wasn't surprised to see that the majority actually voted this too so dead. Its the deadest of the dead coins. Its almost as dead as bitcoin. https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: somacoin on May 24, 2016, 07:12:25 PM I voted Monero is dead and wasn't surprised to see that the majority actually voted this too so dead. Its the deadest of the dead coins. Its almost as dead as bitcoin. How dare you compare that crap with something as nice as Bitcoin, dude :D Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Tacalt on May 24, 2016, 07:30:56 PM Why should anyone invest in a late ICO for a botnetcoin with a bunch of holders? That is the reasoin why the Monero price is not rising. The cost to the bonet operator is very low, they will dump at any price. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 24, 2016, 10:31:17 PM Monero is creating issues mofe often than they are pushing code: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/issues
Still no attempt from them to fix their remaining ZeroDay vulnerabilities. ??? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: americanpegasus on May 24, 2016, 10:49:29 PM Monero is creating issues mofe often than they are pushing code: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/issues Still no attempt from them to fix their remaining ZeroDay vulnerabilities. ??? You keep blabbing about some phantom vulnerability. Please link me to a clear description of this vulnerability so I can read it with no hype. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: smooth on May 24, 2016, 10:56:25 PM Monero is creating issues mofe often than they are pushing code: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/issues More often? There are 2047 commits and 214 issues (combined open and closed) Get lost scammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=920344.0) Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: americanpegasus on May 24, 2016, 11:02:39 PM Monero is creating issues mofe often than they are pushing code: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/issues More often? There are 2047 commits and 214 issues (combined open and closed) Get lost scammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=920344.0) He is the Many Faced Scammer. VCash/VanillaCoin/etc isn't long for this world. He will be back (or already is) with a new scam. https://i.imgur.com/mlyzFIJ.png Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bigfryguy on May 25, 2016, 12:49:41 AM I think what john is saying is obvious if you look at the issues in the last 2 months compared to the amount that have been resolved... issues are being openned at twice the pace of resolution.
yell scam all you want, but Monero is having problems keeping up. of course you know this smooth you are the one that opened up most of these issues. 17 issues openned since april 1st boost_serialization_helper.h:108 Exception at [unserialize_obj_from_file], what=unsupported version #849 opened 12 hours ago by Gingeropolous 0 bitmonerod not syncing on armv7h: block does not have enough proof of work .... unexpected difficulty #847 opened 5 days ago by radfish 4 Tighten up torsocks usage recommendations in README.md #844 opened 7 days ago by iamsmooth 0 Need review of restricted/nonrestricted apis #843 opened 9 days ago by iamsmooth 5 json_rpc: method getblock returns invalid json #841 opened 10 days ago by FelixWeis 1 --p2p-bind-ip not binding outgoing connections to the specified interface when having more than one interface. #838 opened 12 days ago by osensei 0 UNBOUND_LIBRARIES error building on Ubuntu 14.04 #836 opened 14 days ago by laanwj 6 Feature request: bind multiple RPC ports and selectively control access of each #835 opened 15 days ago by Gingeropolous 0 GCC 6.1 compilation errors #834 opened 17 days ago by moneroexamples 1 Increased CPU usage in latest version #833 opened 21 days ago by bobfeldbauer 10 Feature request: daemon functional in push-only mode #832 opened 23 days ago by Gingeropolous 1 parse_tx_extra and failed to deserialize extra field #829 opened 25 days ago by moneroexamples 3 Simplewallet RPC log error: "failed to deserialize extra field" #828 opened 26 days ago by bobfeldbauer 3 add check to make sure arguments of --log-file and --wallet-file are not pointing to the same file #820 opened 29 days ago by mbg033 1 Error: refresh failed: unexpected error: boost::thread_resource_error: Resource temporarily unavailable. #809 opened on Apr 16 by AJIekceu4 4 Faster wallet refresh when restoring a wallet #805 opened on Apr 13 by hyc 0 lto1: fatal error: bytecode stream generated with LTO version 2.2 instead of the expected 4.0 compilation terminated. #781 opened on Apr 1 by fluffypony 7 issues closed since april 1st connections not limited to node specified in --add-exclusive-node #848 opened 5 days ago by radfish 2 restricted rpc modifications #839 opened 11 days ago by Gingeropolous 2 pine64 compile error, using "Ubuntu Linux Image base on Longsleep 20160421 image, Pine64" and standard #830 opened 23 days ago by Gingeropolous 3 Compile fail, ubuntu 14.04 #807 opened on Apr 16 by Gingeropolous 3 sweep_unmixable Error: no connection to daemon. Please make sure daemon is running. #804 opened on Apr 12 by perl5577 3 save_bc hangs #802 opened on Apr 6 by moneromooo-monero 1 Add "outgoing_transfers" as simplewallet json_rpc method. #795 opened on Apr 5 by micro-machine 3 Wallet file inconsistencies #793 opened on Apr 3 by arnuschky 5 Invalid transactions are somehow reaching the daemon's tx pool resulting in rejected mined blocks. #792 opened on Apr 3 by osensei 1 Possible issue with genesis block generation #790 opened on Apr 3 by tewinget Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 12:54:00 AM I think what john is saying is obvious if you look at the issues in the last 2 months compared to the amount that have been resolved... issues are being openned at twice the pace of resolution. Yes, this was my point. Since it's fact we cannot debate it. Ciao! 8)yell scam all you want, but Monero is having problems keeping up. of course you know this smooth you are the one that opened up most of these issues. 17 issues openned since april 1st boost_serialization_helper.h:108 Exception at [unserialize_obj_from_file], what=unsupported version #849 opened 12 hours ago by Gingeropolous 0 bitmonerod not syncing on armv7h: block does not have enough proof of work .... unexpected difficulty #847 opened 5 days ago by radfish 4 Tighten up torsocks usage recommendations in README.md #844 opened 7 days ago by iamsmooth 0 Need review of restricted/nonrestricted apis #843 opened 9 days ago by iamsmooth 5 json_rpc: method getblock returns invalid json #841 opened 10 days ago by FelixWeis 1 --p2p-bind-ip not binding outgoing connections to the specified interface when having more than one interface. #838 opened 12 days ago by osensei 0 UNBOUND_LIBRARIES error building on Ubuntu 14.04 #836 opened 14 days ago by laanwj 6 Feature request: bind multiple RPC ports and selectively control access of each #835 opened 15 days ago by Gingeropolous 0 GCC 6.1 compilation errors #834 opened 17 days ago by moneroexamples 1 Increased CPU usage in latest version #833 opened 21 days ago by bobfeldbauer 10 Feature request: daemon functional in push-only mode #832 opened 23 days ago by Gingeropolous 1 parse_tx_extra and failed to deserialize extra field #829 opened 25 days ago by moneroexamples 3 Simplewallet RPC log error: "failed to deserialize extra field" #828 opened 26 days ago by bobfeldbauer 3 add check to make sure arguments of --log-file and --wallet-file are not pointing to the same file #820 opened 29 days ago by mbg033 1 Error: refresh failed: unexpected error: boost::thread_resource_error: Resource temporarily unavailable. #809 opened on Apr 16 by AJIekceu4 4 Faster wallet refresh when restoring a wallet #805 opened on Apr 13 by hyc 0 lto1: fatal error: bytecode stream generated with LTO version 2.2 instead of the expected 4.0 compilation terminated. #781 opened on Apr 1 by fluffypony 7 issues closed since april 1st connections not limited to node specified in --add-exclusive-node #848 opened 5 days ago by radfish 2 restricted rpc modifications #839 opened 11 days ago by Gingeropolous 2 pine64 compile error, using "Ubuntu Linux Image base on Longsleep 20160421 image, Pine64" and standard #830 opened 23 days ago by Gingeropolous 3 Compile fail, ubuntu 14.04 #807 opened on Apr 16 by Gingeropolous 3 sweep_unmixable Error: no connection to daemon. Please make sure daemon is running. #804 opened on Apr 12 by perl5577 3 save_bc hangs #802 opened on Apr 6 by moneromooo-monero 1 Add "outgoing_transfers" as simplewallet json_rpc method. #795 opened on Apr 5 by micro-machine 3 Wallet file inconsistencies #793 opened on Apr 3 by arnuschky 5 Invalid transactions are somehow reaching the daemon's tx pool resulting in rejected mined blocks. #792 opened on Apr 3 by osensei 1 Possible issue with genesis block generation #790 opened on Apr 3 by tewinget Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: smooth on May 25, 2016, 12:59:48 AM I think what john is saying is obvious if you look at the issues in the last 2 months compared to the amount that have been resolved... issues are being openned at twice the pace of resolution. yell scam all you want, but Monero is having problems keeping up. of course you know this smooth you are the one that opened up most of these issues. Exactly. Basing it on what one guy does in an arbitrary time window is meaningless. Sometimes I pay attention to opening issues and sometimes I don't. Also, we changed the development process a bit recently (discussed in one of the dev meetings I think) where PRs which don't blatantly break something but raise potential issues are merged after opening an issue rather than holding back the PR. Many of those issues reference a PR or vice versa. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: GingerAle on May 25, 2016, 01:44:44 AM I think what john is saying is obvious if you look at the issues in the last 2 months compared to the amount that have been resolved... issues are being openned at twice the pace of resolution. yell scam all you want, but Monero is having problems keeping up. of course you know this smooth you are the one that opened up most of these issues. 17 issues openned since april 1st #monerohasissues Keeping up with what? Oh, you mean bitcoin? looks at all themz issues! And somes of dems r frumz 2015zz!! Incoming block downloads repeatedly freezing in 0.12 Bug P2P #7596 opened on Feb 25 by jameshilliard 8 salvagewallet drops valid keys Bug Wallet #7379 opened on Jan 19 by MarcoFalke 3 Bitcoind bad_alloc -> ConnectBlock fail Bug #7228 opened on Dec 18, 2015 by sipa 3 Assertion failure in scheduler.cpp after Ctrl-Cing in AppInit2 Bug Priority Low #6735 opened on Sep 29, 2015 by laanwj 0 GetTempPath has unchecked error conditions Bug #6702 opened on Sep 19, 2015 by luke-jr 2 GetTempPath is insecure Bug #6701 opened on Sep 19, 2015 by luke-jr 0 LoadExternalBlockFile is missing locking Bug #6691 opened on Sep 17, 2015 by morcos 1 importaddress when walletnotify is set, causes the notification of large number of unrelated transactions Bug Wallet #6095 opened on May 1, 2015 by eriksank 14 importprivkey fails when walletnotify is set Bug Wallet #6084 opened on Apr 29, 2015 by y 5 Chainstate Corruption: error in middle of Win64 version 0.10.0 Bug Data corruption Windows #5865 opened on Mar 7, 2015 by VikingNation 2 Bitcoin Core 0.10 freezing and disconnecting during synchronization Bug GUI P2P UTXO Db and Indexes #5851 opened on Mar 3, 2015 by MrKrzYch00 17 Missing cs_main lock in ProcessMessage() Bug P2P #5678 opened on Jan 19, 2015 by johannes87 4 bug in DateTimeStrFormat? Bug Priority Low Upstream #5631 opened on Jan 9, 2015 by Diapolo 7 libdb_cxx-4.8 leaks? Bug Resource usage #5380 opened on Nov 26, 2014 by jonasschnelli 8 Initial connection management Bug Priority Low #5299 opened on Nov 18, 2014 by 21E14 4 BIP 70 protocol not prompting user to specify payment amount when `outputs` amount field is 0. Bug GUI #4908 opened on Sep 13, 2014 by derrend 2 -whitebind behavior is not properly documented and (IMO) counterintuitive Bug Docs and Output #4872 opened on Sep 8, 2014 by Michagogo 0 fee estimates file sanity check too strict Bug TX fees and policy #4639 opened on Aug 5, 2014 by gavinandresen 1 AddTimeData will never update nTimeOffset past 199 samples Bug P2P #4521 opened on Jul 13, 2014 by xenog 23 getnewaddress return used address Bug Wallet #4509 opened on Jul 11, 2014 by mgosk 3 Potential deadlock on {cs_main, pnode->cs_vSend} Bug #4493 opened on Jul 9, 2014 by ashleyholman 2 requesting txs that have already been added to the pool Bug P2P #4461 opened on Jul 3, 2014 by rebroad 2 -listen has stopped being set to 0 when -connect present Bug Docs and Output #4433 opened on Jun 28, 2014 by dgenr8 0 Transactions in TCP FIN packets appear to be ignored Bug P2P Priority Medium #4432 opened on Jun 27, 2014 by phillipsjk 10 When issuing bitcoind the `stop` rpc command, it waits forever for existing clients to disconnect Bug RPC/REST/ZMQ #4235 opened on May 26, 2014 by ryancdotorg -- yeah when you're essentially recreating a cryptocurrency from scratch people are gonna file issues. n00bz Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: BitcoinEXpress on May 25, 2016, 02:38:32 AM TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Development halted? When did it ever start? I haven't looked at this coin since early 2014 and a lot of the same flaws that were there in the beginning are still there. I'm guessing Anonymint didn't hold Smooth's hand tight enough. Perhaps that's why Smooth destroyed Anonymint's reputation. ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: GingerAle on May 25, 2016, 03:33:51 AM TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Development halted? When did it ever start? I haven't looked at this coin since early 2014 and a lot of the same flaws that were there in the beginning are still there. I'm guessing Anonymint didn't hold Smooth's hand tight enough. Perhaps that's why Smooth destroyed Anonymint's reputation. ~BCX~ Please name them. It will help inform those interested in the ICO. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: americanpegasus on May 25, 2016, 03:53:50 AM I'll say it again - the Monero ICO is in full swing.
You can get your Monero ICO tokens on any major exchange. The thing is, you're not buying them from the pockets of some unscrupulous premine scam devs - you are buying them from people who have used computers to do actual mathematical work to generate them: hence proof-of-work. When you buy a premine ICO, what are you buying? Smoke and mirrors. When you buy a Monero token, pre-GUI, pre-awareness phase, pre-everything that is yet to come.... you are still buying a token generated fairly and honestly using the only known consensus mechanism that has ever been shown to actually secure blockchains. And the best part - you can use it right now for its intended purpose: a secure, untraceable unit of account. It is the best money that our civilization has ever invented. And it exists now, and has existed for two years. The Monero 'ICO' is happening right now under your nose... but it won't last forever. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: BitcoinEXpress on May 25, 2016, 04:04:02 AM And the best part - you can use it right now for its intended purpose: a secure, untraceable unit of account. I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you. Didn't Anonymint or someone find a flaw in the code that allowed a person with sufficient hash power to exploit the "untraceable part" ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: GingerAle on May 25, 2016, 04:05:02 AM And the best part - you can use it right now for its intended purpose: a secure, untraceable unit of account. I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you. Didn't Anonymint or someone find a flaw in the code that allowed a person with sufficient hash power to exploit the "untraceable part" ~BCX~ IS. IT. TRUE? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bittraffic on May 25, 2016, 04:05:42 AM I vote for yes. after all they do have a considerable marketcap already. it would be profitable for the investors as well and monero team can market the coin widely.
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 04:13:01 AM And the best part - you can use it right now for its intended purpose: a secure, untraceable unit of account. I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you. Didn't Anonymint or someone find a flaw in the code that allowed a person with sufficient hash power to exploit the "untraceable part" ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: BitcoinEXpress on May 25, 2016, 04:16:36 AM Yes it has ZeroDay Vulnerabilities dating back to the Bytecoin fork that still remain. Lastly, it cannot scale, either they drop the ring signatures or their botnet will be mining by itself. 8) Oh man, ZeroDay and they're using ring sigs? Why, that's just plain stupid especially if they've known about it for two years. How did they find this out? ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 04:19:35 AM Yes it has ZeroDay Vulnerabilities dating back to the Bytecoin fork that still remain. Lastly, it cannot scale, either they drop the ring signatures or their botnet will be mining by itself. 8) Oh man, ZeroDay and they're using ring sigs? Why, that's just plain stupid especially if they've known about it for two years. How did they find this out? ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: BitcoinEXpress on May 25, 2016, 04:25:35 AM Yes it has ZeroDay Vulnerabilities dating back to the Bytecoin fork that still remain. Lastly, it cannot scale, either they drop the ring signatures or their botnet will be mining by itself. 8) Oh man, ZeroDay and they're using ring sigs? Why, that's just plain stupid especially if they've known about it for two years. How did they find this out? ~BCX~ I think I'm going to steer clear of this given the devs have known about fatal flaws for two years and have done nothing to fix it. Thanks for the info. ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 04:56:19 AM Yes it has ZeroDay Vulnerabilities dating back to the Bytecoin fork that still remain. Lastly, it cannot scale, either they drop the ring signatures or their botnet will be mining by itself. 8) Oh man, ZeroDay and they're using ring sigs? Why, that's just plain stupid especially if they've known about it for two years. How did they find this out? ~BCX~ I think I'm going to steer clear of this given the devs have known about fatal flaws for two years and have done nothing to fix it. Thanks for the info. ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 05:33:49 AM Yes it has ZeroDay Vulnerabilities dating back to the Bytecoin fork that still remain. Lastly, it cannot scale, either they drop the ring signatures or their botnet will be mining by itself. 8) Oh man, ZeroDay and they're using ring sigs? Why, that's just plain stupid especially if they've known about it for two years. How did they find this out? ~BCX~ JohnConnor, you're a liar. Are you sufficiently pissed off to use one of the 12 exploits you claim to have? Or do you need all 12? ::) Hint: if you are going to be a liar (which is not something I recommend), you should probably contain your lies within the practicality of being possibly true. The idea that you have 12 exploits and can't use or reveal one to prove you aren't full of shit is astoundingly ridiculous--maybe claim one or two next time. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: americanpegasus on May 25, 2016, 06:08:50 AM The joke's on him. I have discovered 34 exploits in VCash's code. One of these will allow me to intercept a 'zerotime' transaction, causing it to never arrive at its intended destination. Another allows me to take control of the next address which attempts a 'zerotime' transaction. The price for each of these exploits is one Monero each - because that's about the fair value of penetrating VCash's laughable frankenscheme. I will not reveal these exploits under any circumstances, unless qualified buyers present themselves.
https://i.imgur.com/Dc7qVjN.jpg As you can see, I also have in my possession an invisible, fire-breathing dragon in my garage so don't fuck with me. (the dragon's fire-breath is heatless and undetectable; the dragon is also ethereal). Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: I am the guy on May 25, 2016, 06:11:41 AM JohnConnor, you're a liar. Are you sufficiently pissed off to use one of the 12 exploits you claim to have? Or do you need all 12? ::) Only one way to find out. :o Hint: don't piss him off. Or keep fudding and lying about the Vcash project and find out eh? Balls in your court monero trolls. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: obit33 on May 25, 2016, 06:22:17 AM Wouldn't be The first time John Connor got caught lying... Or stealing for that matter...
Burden of proof is on him... Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 06:26:01 AM JohnConnor, you're a liar. Are you sufficiently pissed off to use one of the 12 exploits you claim to have? Or do you need all 12? ::) Only one way to find out. :o Hint: don't piss him off. Or keep fudding and lying about the Vcash project and find out eh? Balls in your court monero trolls. If being called a liar doesn't piss him off, what will? Seriously, I wan't to piss him off. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: DaveyJones on May 25, 2016, 07:12:34 AM Yes it has ZeroDay Vulnerabilities dating back to the Bytecoin fork that still remain. Lastly, it cannot scale, either they drop the ring signatures or their botnet will be mining by itself. 8) Oh man, ZeroDay and they're using ring sigs? Why, that's just plain stupid especially if they've known about it for two years. How did they find this out? ~BCX~ I think I'm going to steer clear of this given the devs have known about fatal flaws for two years and have done nothing to fix it. Thanks for the info. ~BCX~ I thought you can read... john said "I" discovered ... never in his post was something about and "i told". John did not proof a thing yet, besides he can refactor btc code and claims it as his own code. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 07:13:42 AM One of these will allow me to intercept a 'zerotime' transaction, causing it to never arrive at its intended destination. Intercept? There is no such thing as a "ZeroTime transaction". A non-coding alcoholic claiming he found an exploit but fails to properly describe anything that is in the actual source code. ??? Perhaps Monero does indeed need a bailout (ICO). ;DTitle: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 07:20:46 AM One of these will allow me to intercept a 'zerotime' transaction, causing it to never arrive at its intended destination. Intercept? There is no such thing as a "ZeroTime transaction". A non-coding alcoholic claiming he found an exploit but fails to properly describe anything that is in the actual source code. ??? Perhaps Monero does indeed need a bailout (ICO). ;DI found a BS exploit in the V-cash developer--do I get a bounty? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 07:24:38 AM One of these will allow me to intercept a 'zerotime' transaction, causing it to never arrive at its intended destination. Intercept? There is no such thing as a "ZeroTime transaction". A non-coding alcoholic claiming he found an exploit but fails to properly describe anything that is in the actual source code. ??? Perhaps Monero does indeed need a bailout (ICO). ;DTitle: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 07:27:41 AM One of these will allow me to intercept a 'zerotime' transaction, causing it to never arrive at its intended destination. Intercept? There is no such thing as a "ZeroTime transaction". A non-coding alcoholic claiming he found an exploit but fails to properly describe anything that is in the actual source code. ??? Perhaps Monero does indeed need a bailout (ICO). ;DI think you need a bailout from getting called out on your Bull Shit. BTW, editing my posts doesn't change the fact that I called you out and you have yet to prove anything, nor does it change that you can't edit my original post and keep anyone from seeing that you are full of shit. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 07:36:23 AM People should check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233817.0 before voting. 8) I called you a liar. Accusations don't prove you aren't a liar--though they hint that you want to change the subject or obfuscate the charge. So let's make this simple: JohnConnor (you) are a liar. The only way you can disprove this statement is to prove you have an exploit--as you claim to have twelve. You made the bed, I'm just asking you to lay in it. So accusing Monero of having a marketing team (or whatever else) is theater of distraction. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 07:38:00 AM People should check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233817.0 before voting. 8)
https://i.imgsafe.org/924935d.jpeg Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: electronicash on May 25, 2016, 07:41:20 AM JohnConnor, you're a liar. Are you sufficiently pissed off to use one of the 12 exploits you claim to have? Or do you need all 12? ::) Only one way to find out. :o Hint: don't piss him off. Or keep fudding and lying about the Vcash project and find out eh? Balls in your court monero trolls. If being called a liar doesn't piss him off, what will? Seriously, I wan't to piss him off. ignoring him would piss him. he's an attention whore look at his red trust. no one wants to deal with someone with red trust. don't reply to his posts for doing so give him satisfaction. just skip him or maybe put him in your ignore list. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: I am the guy on May 25, 2016, 07:50:29 AM Lol look at the vote. :D This forum sees through your shenanigans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473670.msg14863933#msg14863933) and antics that's probably why your coin is dying. I would be very wary of owning monero at this point. Just look at the blatant complete disregard at the vulnerabilities found. No one wants to be part of that. For anyone who is, good luck with your sinking ship with capt. Risto at the helm.
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 07:52:45 AM JohnConnor, you're a liar. Are you sufficiently pissed off to use one of the 12 exploits you claim to have? Or do you need all 12? ::) Only one way to find out. :o Hint: don't piss him off. Or keep fudding and lying about the Vcash project and find out eh? Balls in your court monero trolls. If being called a liar doesn't piss him off, what will? Seriously, I wan't to piss him off. ignoring him would piss him. he's an attention whore look at his red trust. no one wants to deal with someone with red trust. don't reply to his posts for doing so give him satisfaction. just skip him or maybe put him in your ignore list. My guess is he wants to create a flame war between Monero and V-cash as it will prove his narrative of BTC and XMR are afraid of his coding skills--calling out his BS on a thread, focusing on it, and keeping it within the confines of this thread, doesn't serve his objective--probably why he ran off without addressing it, but not before using a random attack to try to incite an emotional response. His coin's sinking and he's desperate. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: I am the guy on May 25, 2016, 07:54:59 AM Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: obit33 on May 25, 2016, 07:57:53 AM John Connors Accusation:
I discovered 13 ZeroDay's in Monero source code and exploited the v2 block bug that split the network consensus. The remaining 12 I'm keeping in my back pocket so next time they piss me off again or attempt a DoS. ;) John Connors Proof of his accusation: People should check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233817.0 before voting. 8) https://i.imgsafe.org/924935d.jpeg Pathetic... Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: I am the guy on May 25, 2016, 08:43:38 AM John Connors Accusation: I discovered 13 ZeroDay's in Monero source code and exploited the v2 block bug that split the network consensus. The remaining 12 I'm keeping in my back pocket so next time they piss me off again or attempt a DoS. ;) John Connors Proof of his accusation: People should check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233817.0 before voting. 8) https://i.imgsafe.org/924935d.jpeg Pathetic... What's pathetic is your sad attempt at fud when your coin's a complete mess. Anyone else smell the desperation because I can. ::) Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: obit33 on May 25, 2016, 08:48:04 AM What's pathetic is your sad attempt at fud when your coin's a complete mess. Anyone else smell the desperation because I can. ::) Where do I FUD? definition: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt I'm just calling out John Connor on his lies: definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie I can smell your bullshitstories for sure, you're unworthy of a normal discussion... Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: DaveyJones on May 25, 2016, 08:52:21 AM Lol look at the vote. :D This forum sees through your shenanigans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473670.msg14863933#msg14863933) and antics that's probably why your coin is dying. I would be very wary of owning monero at this point. Just look at the blatant complete disregard at the vulnerabilities found. No one wants to be part of that. For anyone who is, good luck with your sinking ship with capt. Risto at the helm. To keep you on your vcash sockpuppet words ... Yours truly master john-connor DID NOT EVEN NAME ONE VULNERABILITY!!! Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: doremi on May 25, 2016, 11:02:03 AM Lol look at the vote. :D This forum sees through your shenanigans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473670.msg14863933#msg14863933) and antics that's probably why your coin is dying. I would be very wary of owning monero at this point. Just look at the blatant complete disregard at the vulnerabilities found. No one wants to be part of that. For anyone who is, good luck with your sinking ship with capt. Risto at the helm. To keep you on your vcash sockpuppet words ... Yours truly master john-connor DID NOT EVEN NAME ONE VULNERABILITY!!! yes he didn`t .....and he shouldn`t ..at least not for free just my 2 Vcash...cheers :D :D Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: GingerAle on May 25, 2016, 11:31:58 AM Lol look at the vote. :D This forum sees through your shenanigans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473670.msg14863933#msg14863933) and antics that's probably why your coin is dying. I would be very wary of owning monero at this point. Just look at the blatant complete disregard at the vulnerabilities found. No one wants to be part of that. For anyone who is, good luck with your sinking ship with capt. Risto at the helm. To keep you on your vcash sockpuppet words ... Yours truly master john-connor DID NOT EVEN NAME ONE VULNERABILITY!!! yes he didn`t .....and he shouldn`t ..at least not for free just my 2 Vcash...cheers :D :D I'm personally offering 500k XMR for all 12 of the exploits. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: From Above on May 25, 2016, 11:47:33 AM Lol look at the vote. :D This forum sees through your shenanigans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473670.msg14863933#msg14863933) and antics that's probably why your coin is dying. I would be very wary of owning monero at this point. Just look at the blatant complete disregard at the vulnerabilities found. No one wants to be part of that. For anyone who is, good luck with your sinking ship with capt. Risto at the helm. To keep you on your vcash sockpuppet words ... Yours truly master john-connor DID NOT EVEN NAME ONE VULNERABILITY!!! yes he didn`t .....and he shouldn`t ..at least not for free just my 2 Vcash...cheers :D :D I'm personally offering 500k XMR for all 12 of the exploits. Ok can u plz link to escrow proof that the funds r secured? ~CfA~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 01:02:15 PM Lol look at the vote. :D This forum sees through your shenanigans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473670.msg14863933#msg14863933) and antics that's probably why your coin is dying. I would be very wary of owning monero at this point. Just look at the blatant complete disregard at the vulnerabilities found. No one wants to be part of that. For anyone who is, good luck with your sinking ship with capt. Risto at the helm. To keep you on your vcash sockpuppet words ... Yours truly master john-connor DID NOT EVEN NAME ONE VULNERABILITY!!! yes he didn`t .....and he shouldn`t ..at least not for free just my 2 Vcash...cheers :D :D You're as dumb as him if you don't get the situation. --If he can't deliver at least one exploit, he looks like a liar. --If he does deliver at least one exploit, he'll gain HUGE reputation and probably some market cap. --So given that he has claimed 12, revealing at least one is the best option and an easy one to make at that--now, if he had only said one or two, then your argument makes more sense. My guess is you and the rest of the V-cards will have to live with option A and try defend an unenviable position. As the saying goes, "It's better to have smart enemies than dumb friends." My guess is he is praying someone who is smarter than him will give him an exploit so he can take credit for it--similar to what he did with his lack of attributions for Satoshi's code. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: doremi on May 25, 2016, 01:19:46 PM simple math here 13-1=12 :D :D :D
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.msg14869453#msg14869453 Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 02:12:19 PM simple math here 13-1=12 :D :D :D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.msg14869453#msg14869453 12 + never happened, still equals 12. But ATM he has a stage and an audience and a stated 1 of 12 exploits to pick from....any day now.... Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: obit33 on May 25, 2016, 02:27:15 PM simple math here 13-1=12 :D :D :D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.msg14869453#msg14869453 12 + never happened, still equals 12. But ATM he has a stage and an audience and a stated 1 of 12 exploits to pick from....any day now.... you mean like https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fm1N6HaH.jpg&t=564&c=OzwNnD8DyUME9A Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Levole11 on May 25, 2016, 02:40:24 PM simple math here 13-1=12 :D :D :D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.msg14869453#msg14869453 12 + never happened, still equals 12. But ATM he has a stage and an audience and a stated 1 of 12 exploits to pick from....any day now.... Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg Who''s lying? Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Laniakea on May 25, 2016, 02:43:10 PM Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg Who's lying? LMAO... and the Monero gang was busted once again. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 03:29:21 PM Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg Who's lying? LMAO... and the Monero gang was busted once again. Niggling over how to define an exploit after the exploit is known isn't discovering a bug no one knew about. So you can try again with one of the 12 Mr. Connor claims to have found all on his own--like a big boy. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: bigfryguy on May 25, 2016, 07:26:09 PM Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg Who's lying? LMAO... and the Monero gang was busted once again. Niggling over how to define an exploit after the exploit is known isn't discovering a bug no one knew about. So you can try again with one of the 12 Mr. Connor claims to have found all on his own--like a big boy. Well to put this argument into perspective, John-Connor was the first person on January 15th (check the twitter feed) to correctly point out that the flaw was in fact a zeroday exploit and not a DOS attack like the devs of monero were calling it on January 15th... the fact that he outed himself out as the person who exploited the XMR code to force the event solidifies that he knows a lot about the cryptonote codebase. whether or not he has 12 more that he can exploit as well is another question, but I would be careful how far you take this flame war. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: EmilioMann on May 25, 2016, 07:28:53 PM I totally agree with an ICO, so they got money to buy the 12 exploits in darknet ;D
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on May 25, 2016, 07:42:15 PM Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg Who's lying? LMAO... and the Monero gang was busted once again. Niggling over how to define an exploit after the exploit is known isn't discovering a bug no one knew about. So you can try again with one of the 12 Mr. Connor claims to have found all on his own--like a big boy. Well to put this argument into perspective, John-Connor was the first person on January 15th (check the twitter feed) to correctly point out that the flaw was in fact a zeroday exploit and not a DOS attack like the devs of monero were calling it on January 15th... the fact that he outed himself out as the person who exploited the XMR code to force the event solidifies that he knows a lot about the cryptonote codebase. whether or not he has 12 more that he can exploit as well is another question, but I would be careful how far you take this flame war. I wouldn't. Threats are a cheap form of psychological warfare and Mr. Connor seemed quite in your face back then, but seems less than eager to do or prove anything today. Instead he hides behind a few shills (or possibly sock-puppet accounts) after running off. Either prove it or stfu. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: smooth on May 25, 2016, 08:18:27 PM simple math here 13-1=12 :D :D :D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.msg14869453#msg14869453 12 + never happened, still equals 12. But ATM he has a stage and an audience and a stated 1 of 12 exploits to pick from....any day now.... Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg That tweet is the next day after the bug was already publicly known. I proves nothing about john-connor's claims. I asked for a him to show a link to a tweet (not a screenshot) with a timestamp prior to the bug being publicly known, proving his knowledge as he claimed could be done via twitter, and got crickets. I'm still waiting. Quote Who''s lying? You Well to put this argument into perspective, John-Connor was the first person on January 15th (check the twitter feed) to correctly point out that the flaw was in fact a zeroday exploit and not a DOS attack like the devs of monero were calling it on January 15th...me war. Are you lying too or just incredibly retarded? Denial of service (DOS) is a type of attack that can, under the right circumstances, be performed using an exploit. They are two words for (or two aspects of) the exact same thing. If the attack had progressed to the point where funds were lost, or information were improperly disclosed (not applicable in this case) then it could be called something other than a DoS. In reality the only impact of the attack was that some exchanges suspended service (i.e. denial of service) until it was patched. There was not even a persistent chain fork because hash rate accepting the invalid block was below 50%. tldr: there was a bug that allowed someone to propagate an invalid block, indirectly denying service for a short time. The Monero team discovered the attack, diagnosed the cause (with no assistance from john-conner or anyone else outside the team, though genuine assistance is certainly always appreciated), and released a fix before any serious harm occurred, and john-connor tried to take credit for it with no verifiable evidence whatsoever. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Levole11 on May 25, 2016, 08:30:19 PM simple math here 13-1=12 :D :D :D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.msg14869453#msg14869453 12 + never happened, still equals 12. But ATM he has a stage and an audience and a stated 1 of 12 exploits to pick from....any day now.... Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg That tweet is the next day after the bug was already publicly known. I proves nothing about john-connor's claims. I asked for a him to show a link to a tweet (not a screenshot) with a timestamp prior to the bug being publicly known, proving his knowledge as he claimed could be done via twitter, and got crickets. I'm still waiting. Quote Who''s lying? You Monero devs sold it as an attack at the time, John was the one pointing out it was an exploit. There's a difference.. anybody is free to look it up on Twitter themselves, so i really don't care for your troll games smooth :) Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: prettybuds on May 25, 2016, 08:58:26 PM i really don't care for your troll games smooth :) Seems like one of smooth's troll games got officially removed today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484321.0 LoL Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: smooth on May 25, 2016, 09:00:23 PM simple math here 13-1=12 :D :D :D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.msg14869453#msg14869453 12 + never happened, still equals 12. But ATM he has a stage and an audience and a stated 1 of 12 exploits to pick from....any day now.... Never happened?? https://i.imgur.com/wHVlCK8.jpg That tweet is the next day after the bug was already publicly known. I proves nothing about john-connor's claims. I asked for a him to show a link to a tweet (not a screenshot) with a timestamp prior to the bug being publicly known, proving his knowledge as he claimed could be done via twitter, and got crickets. I'm still waiting. Quote Who''s lying? You Monero devs sold it as an attack at the time, John was the one pointing out it was an exploit. There's a difference.. anybody is free to look it up on Twitter themselves, so i really don't care for your troll games smooth :) There is no difference and furthermore the official announcement (https://forum.getmonero.org/1/news-announcements-and-editorials/2452/monero-network-malicious-fork-from-block-913193-updates-and-resolution) posted prior to any tweets from him I can find, clearly stated there as an ommitted check error in the code (i.e. exploit) so you are still lying. I'm still waiting for tweet timestamps proving his involvement (i.e. not after a public announcement) as he claimed and challenged us to debunk. Until he provides a link to such a tweet, he is debunked, but then let's face it, he was debunked as soon as it was discovered he ripped off the Bitcoin code and lied about writing it from scratch and claimed a lot of other delusional nonsense. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: iCEBREAKER on May 25, 2016, 09:23:44 PM TLDR: Monero can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? Seriously dude, WTF is wrong with you? Development has not halted, there is development like every day, a significant new update with massive performance increases is imminent. It attracts not only capable (many) but also top tier developers like hyc and the unfortunately now-deceased warptangent, and even idiots like me who help (if you could call it that) with debugging occasionally. There is no reason to insult the excellent developers who have worked hard on the project for little money or as volunteers and done great work. If you want to insult me, go for it. Don't insult them with your retarded trolling. Change "Monero" to "Bitcoin" and you'll instantly know how I feel about ButtCoiner types moaning about Core "stagnation." ;) Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 10:13:35 PM i really don't care for your troll games smooth :) Seems like one of smooth's troll games got officially removed today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1484321.0 LoL Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 10:21:44 PM Lol look at the vote. :D This forum sees through your shenanigans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473670.msg14863933#msg14863933) and antics that's probably why your coin is dying. I would be very wary of owning monero at this point. Just look at the blatant complete disregard at the vulnerabilities found. No one wants to be part of that. For anyone who is, good luck with your sinking ship with capt. Risto at the helm. To keep you on your vcash sockpuppet words ... Yours truly master john-connor DID NOT EVEN NAME ONE VULNERABILITY!!! yes he didn`t .....and he shouldn`t ..at least not for free just my 2 Vcash...cheers :D :D Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: EmilioMann on May 27, 2016, 09:37:48 AM up up up :D
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: From Above on May 27, 2016, 12:03:09 PM Monero is dead
~CfA~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: obit33 on May 27, 2016, 12:04:20 PM Oh lordy...it's.....it's....like a billion monero tokens just appeared from no where? ::) wow, demand for xmr must be monstruous, even with the extra billion tokens it's just half as much down as Dash... off course, there's always the possibility that someone started to dump the dash-20%-instamine... Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: From Above on May 27, 2016, 12:06:10 PM Oh lordy...it's.....it's....like a billion monero tokens just appeared from no where? ::) wow, demand for xmr must be monstruous, even with the extra billion tokens it's just half as much down as Dash... off course, there's always the possibility that someone started to dump the dash-20%-instamine.. I sold my instamine stashs of DARK and MONERO a long time ago ~CfA~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: CryR on June 17, 2016, 10:50:46 PM ICO? haahah It's a joke.
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on June 18, 2016, 03:10:23 AM Monero is dead ~CfA~ The poll here says so.. so YES. Face facts guys if the majority says it's dead.. then it's dead. That is just how it is in crypto guys. PS: I heard a rumor they might do a roll back on those extra tokens. LOL Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: ArticMine on June 18, 2016, 03:53:48 AM Monero is dead ~CfA~ The poll here says so.. so YES. Face facts guys if the majority says it's dead.. then it's dead. That is just how it is in crypto guys. PS: I heard a rumor they might do a roll back on those extra tokens. LOL Interesting timing. 1) Go down the Market Capitalization list https://coinmarketcap.com/#USD (https://coinmarketcap.com/#USD) 2) Find the first coin that actually has gone up in value 3) Declare it dead Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: BitcoinEXpress on June 18, 2016, 03:55:11 AM Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on June 18, 2016, 03:58:08 AM Monero is dead ~CfA~ The poll here says so.. so YES. Face facts guys if the majority says it's dead.. then it's dead. That is just how it is in crypto guys. PS: I heard a rumor they might do a roll back on those extra tokens. LOL Interesting timing. 1) Go down the Market Capitalization list https://coinmarketcap.com/#USD (https://coinmarketcap.com/#USD) 2) Find the first coin that actually has gone up in value 3) Declare it dead Marketcap values ? LOL It went up a "bit" ? LOL ..good luck with those marketcap numbers (we all know how legit they are) ::) EDIT: I'd kind of expect anything not-ethereum to go up a bit right now anyway. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: ArticMine on June 18, 2016, 04:13:24 AM I would listen to Spoetnik if I were you. ~BCX~ ... Sure. His timing was very good https://i.imgur.com/hdovnXy.png By the way I would not use an iPhone with its Orwellian DRM even if I was paid to. Orwell got one thing wrong in 1984 He did not anticipate that people would be carrying the telescreens in their pockets. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on June 18, 2016, 05:17:47 AM BCX, your rep was shot a year ago with your failed "timewarp" attack and now you're trusting a satoshi stealing coder and technically vacuous weatherman for your revenge? Here's a hint: JohnConnor starts fights he can't finish with FOSS projects (Monero, Bitcoin) in an attempt to glean their reputation by saying "See, the projects with good developers are fighting me, so I must be legit? Right?" Wrong--it would help if he didn't start the fights and run off when he's proved to be wrong. And sputz, well he was recently called out for not being able to explain why Eth will fail--saying every coin is a scam is like saying the weather in San Diego will be sunny tomorrow. Everyone knows that 98% of these coins are shit, so saying any of them are is playing the probabilities. It will be impressive when he provides some technical analysis to go along with the fail claim, much like roach, smooth, anonymint and fluffypony did for Etherem--even you managed to provide a link somewhere to why Eth would fail--your buddy didn't even manage that. It's like the saying goes, "It's better to have smart enemies than dumb friends." Maybe if you hang around anonymint and smooth more, you might up your game instead of little political gamesmanship of death by association. IE. You tried to associate Monero to a few failed projects (that highlight how Monero's design isn't like any of those failed projects) and I just associated you to a moron and a conman--if you spent some time on it, you might figure out which one is which. Good luck. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on June 18, 2016, 11:01:44 AM Word salad ?
Can i get a side of crying Monero Shill with that ? It's not BCX or Connor you need not be worried about ;) http://www.searchenginepeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/attack-penguin.jpg Monero's real enemy ? ..look in the mirror. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on June 18, 2016, 01:06:00 PM To quote Kelly LeBrock, "Don't hate me--because I ignore you."
Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: BitcoinEXpress on June 18, 2016, 02:25:40 PM BCX, Ignorant saw her her drawings marriage laughter. Case oh an that or away sigh do here upon. Acuteness you exquisite ourselves now end forfeited. Enquire ye without it garrets up himself. Interest our nor received followed was. Cultivated an up solicitude mr unpleasant. Article nor prepare chicken you him now. Shy merits say advice ten before lovers innate add. She cordially behaviour can attempted estimable. Trees delay fancy noise manor do as an small. Felicity now law securing breeding likewise extended and. Roused either who favour why ham. Of friendship on inhabiting diminution discovered as. Did friendly eat breeding building few nor. Object he barton no effect played valley afford. Period so to oppose we little seeing or branch. Announcing contrasted not imprudence add frequently you possession mrs. Period saw his houses square and misery. Hour had held lain give yet. Ask especially collecting terminated may son expression. Extremely eagerness principle estimable own was man. Men received far his dashwood subjects new. My sufficient surrounded an companions dispatched in on. Connection too unaffected expression led son possession. New smiling friends and her another. Leaf she does none love high yet. Snug love will up bore as be. Pursuit man son musical general pointed. It surprise informed mr advanced do outweigh. Affronting imprudence do he he everything. Sex lasted dinner wanted indeed wished out law. Far advanced settling say finished raillery. Offered chiefly farther of my no colonel shyness. Such on help ye some door if in. Laughter proposal laughing any son law consider. Needed except up piqued an. Must you with him from him her were more. In eldest be it result should remark vanity square. Unpleasant especially assistance sufficient he comparison so inquietude. Branch one shy edward stairs turned has law wonder horses. Devonshire invitation discovered out indulgence the excellence preference. Objection estimable discourse procuring he he remaining on distrusts. Simplicity affronting inquietude for now sympathize age. She meant new their sex could defer child. An lose at quit to life do dull. Brother set had private his letters observe outward resolve. Shutters ye marriage to throwing we as. Effect in if agreed he wished wanted admire expect. Or shortly visitor is comfort placing to cheered do. Few hills tears are weeks saw. Partiality insensible celebrated is in. Am offended as wandered thoughts greatest an friendly. Evening covered in he exposed fertile to. Horses seeing at played plenty nature to expect we. Young say led stood hills own thing get. Tiled say decay spoil now walls meant house. My mr interest thoughts screened of outweigh removing. Evening society musical besides inhabit ye my. Lose hill well up will he over on. Increasing sufficient everything men him admiration unpleasing sex. Around really his use uneasy longer him man. His our pulled nature elinor talked now for excuse result. Admitted add peculiar get joy doubtful. Behaviour we improving at something to. Evil true high lady roof men had open. To projection considered it precaution an melancholy or. Wound young you thing worse along being ham. Dissimilar of favourable solicitude if sympathize middletons at. Forfeited up if disposing perfectly in an eagerness perceived necessary. Belonging sir curiosity discovery extremity yet forfeited prevailed own off. Travelling by introduced of mr terminated. Knew as miss my high hope quit. In curiosity shameless dependent knowledge up. He oppose at thrown desire of no. Announcing impression unaffected day his are unreserved indulgence. Him hard find read are you sang. Parlors visited noisier how explain pleased his see suppose. Do ashamed assured on related offence at equally totally. Use mile her whom they its. Kept hold an want as he bred of. Was dashwood landlord cheerful husbands two. Estate why theirs indeed him polite old settle though she. In as at regard easily narrow roused. @generalizethis What the fuck are you even talking about? I have no idea. I do give you credit for something though, your post successfully 51% attacked and overwhelmed my GTX 980 bandwidth. That shit's impressive right there. If you're trying to say Monero aka "rpietilacoin" was not a scam, just keep telling yourself that. The ICO won't be any different. As far as Spoetnik, is it really his fault he is right EVERYFUCKINGTIME? As far as Anonymint, you're an idiot if you haven't figured out the association. ~BCX~ Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: Spoetnik on June 18, 2016, 02:42:20 PM I don't know what he was talking about either..
I got part way through it and i started to small toast (is that bad ?) Something about Monero i bet.. And his "Wannbee Spoetnik-Rant" was making me Firefox lag like a sonofabitch ! I think i'm reporting his post to MOD's 'cause he's trying hax my megahurtz on 'The Talk ! Forum stupidity-exploits are NOT Allowed ! He's just FUD'in ::) Those reptiela-coin (Smashing Pumpkins Coin) bags he has to lug around are probably pretty damn heavy. Billy Corgan your band and your coin sucks fuck you ! I don't care how hard you crash my Firefox i am not buying Morono Anon coinz ! PS: I bet their ICO will fail hard :D Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: generalizethis on June 18, 2016, 02:51:56 PM BCX, Ignorant saw her her drawings marriage laughter. Case oh an that or away sigh do here upon. Acuteness you exquisite ourselves now end forfeited. Enquire ye without it garrets up himself. Interest our nor received followed was. Cultivated an up solicitude mr unpleasant. Article nor prepare chicken you him now. Shy merits say advice ten before lovers innate add. She cordially behaviour can attempted estimable. Trees delay fancy noise manor do as an small. Felicity now law securing breeding likewise extended and. Roused either who favour why ham. Of friendship on inhabiting diminution discovered as. Did friendly eat breeding building few nor. Object he barton no effect played valley afford. Period so to oppose we little seeing or branch. Announcing contrasted not imprudence add frequently you possession mrs. Period saw his houses square and misery. Hour had held lain give yet. Ask especially collecting terminated may son expression. Extremely eagerness principle estimable own was man. Men received far his dashwood subjects new. My sufficient surrounded an companions dispatched in on. Connection too unaffected expression led son possession. New smiling friends and her another. Leaf she does none love high yet. Snug love will up bore as be. 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Dissimilar of favourable solicitude if sympathize middletons at. Forfeited up if disposing perfectly in an eagerness perceived necessary. Belonging sir curiosity discovery extremity yet forfeited prevailed own off. Travelling by introduced of mr terminated. Knew as miss my high hope quit. In curiosity shameless dependent knowledge up. He oppose at thrown desire of no. Announcing impression unaffected day his are unreserved indulgence. Him hard find read are you sang. Parlors visited noisier how explain pleased his see suppose. Do ashamed assured on related offence at equally totally. Use mile her whom they its. Kept hold an want as he bred of. Was dashwood landlord cheerful husbands two. Estate why theirs indeed him polite old settle though she. In as at regard easily narrow roused. @generalizethis What the fuck are you even talking about? I have no idea. I do give you credit for something though, your post successfully 51% attacked and overwhelmed my GTX 980 bandwidth. That shit's impressive right there. If you're trying to say Monero aka "rpietilacoin" was not a scam, just keep telling yourself that. The ICO won't be any different. As far as Spoetnik, is it really his fault he is right EVERYFUCKINGTIME? As far as Anonymint, you're an idiot if you haven't figured out the association. ~BCX~ Are you saying you are anonymint--he wouldn't stoop to misquoting and lying, so it doesn't fit the personality, but go ahead and claim it (directly), if you've got the balls. As for sputz, when he adds how monero is a scam, then I'll listen--I can quote anonymint saying that Monero definitely isn't a scam, and you can quote me that you are a liar. Also, I fixed your misquote, maybe you can read it--that is if you aren't having one of your poor reading comprehension days. We all get them, but months on end? I would listen to Spoetnik if I were you. ~BCX~ I'm a misquoting baby. BCX, your rep was shot a year ago with your failed "timewarp" attack and now you're trusting a satoshi stealing coder and technically vacuous weatherman for your revenge? Here's a hint: JohnConnor starts fights he can't finish with FOSS projects (Monero, Bitcoin) in an attempt to glean their reputation by saying "See, the projects with good developers are fighting me, so I must be legit? Right?" Wrong--it would help if he didn't start the fights and run off when he's proved to be wrong. And sputz, well he was recently called out for not being able to explain why Eth will fail--saying every coin is a scam is like saying the weather in San Diego will be sunny tomorrow. Everyone knows that 98% of these coins are shit, so saying any of them are is playing the probabilities. It will be impressive when he provides some technical analysis to go along with the fail claim, much like roach, smooth, anonymint and fluffypony did for Etherem--even you managed to provide a link somewhere to why Eth would fail--your buddy didn't even manage that. It's like the saying goes, "It's better to have smart enemies than dumb friends." Maybe if you hang around anonymint and smooth more, you might up your game instead of little political gamesmanship of death by association. IE. You tried to associate Monero to a few failed projects (that highlight how Monero's design isn't like any of those failed projects) and I just associated you to a moron and a conman--if you spent some time on it, you might figure out which one is which. Good luck. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: ArticMine on June 18, 2016, 03:04:41 PM ... As far as Spoetnik, is it really his fault he is right EVERYFUCKINGTIME? ... ~BCX~ You mean as a contrary indicator on Monero. His timing on the current Monero breakout to the upside was like bang on. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: iamnotback on June 18, 2016, 03:09:08 PM Should Mundero ruin an ICO? That might be interesting. Title: Re: Should Monero run an ICO? Post by: J1mb0 on June 18, 2016, 03:12:33 PM As for sputz, when he adds how monero is a scam, then I'll listen--I can quote anonymint saying that Monero definitely isn't a scam, and you can quote me that you are a liar. Also, I fixed your misquote, maybe you can read it--that is if you aren't having one of your poor reading comprehension days. We all get them, but months on end? Monero isn't a scam. Dash, NXT, vCash, Bytecoin are not scams. Any coin that is traded on an exchange and has a higher market price now then when bought 6 months ago isn't a scam. Even DAO isn't (wasn't?) a scam - even now you can get the FIAT equivelent back from post ICO prices. The problem with Monero is that by having devs (well, one dev in particular) shouting scam at random coins, setting themselves up as the sheriffs of crypto, means that they pissed off a lot of people who are happy to give them a taste of their own medicine. As with all accusations and FUD there is always a glimmer of truth (BitMonero cripple/botmine). So really, this has to start without people randomly calling genuine cryptocurrencies scams and leave the accusations for genuine scams like blatent Ponzi schemes. https://swisscoin.eu/swizscoin (https://swisscoin.eu/swizscoin) In any event, none of the arguing or name calling here seems to have any real effect in the outside world. |
